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Jan. 5, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Battle of Wills for House Speaker with Marjorie Taylor Greene, Anna Paulina Luna, and Kurt Schlichter
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So it looks like this is breaking news right now.
Kevin McCarthy has begun talks with Democrats about a deal to support a consensus candidate for speaker or hold out from voting to ensure he needs to reach a lower threshold.
So basically, if that is correct, that means that Kevin McCarthy is trying to broker deals with Democrats to become Speaker of the House, doing a deal with the devil to become Speaker, if the Hills reporting is correct.
And so there's two ways to interpret that.
The first way is that Kevin McCarthy is selling us out and is going to become a Democrat speaker.
Yeah, that is one way to interpret it.
The other way to interpret it is that there was a deal on the table and you push someone who is purely transactional, which Kevin McCarthy has always been, in the direction to then go get the power that he wants from Democrats.
So there you go.
We don't know where this is going to end up, but basically the longer that this goes, you are now, the Freedom Caucus, could it be in a place where they are losing power, not gaining power?
And you might say, well, Kevin just wants to be Speaker.
He's always just wanted to be Speaker.
That's been the argument to give the Freedom Caucus more power, more a bigger seat at the table.
And someone said right here, and this is a good argument, Charlie, this is exactly why we don't trust Kevin McCarthy.
I mean, I have no counter argument to that.
Doing a deal with Democrats or doing a deal with the devil, I'm not going to defend that.
So you might say, well, Charlie, that weakens his position.
So the vote is done.
Is that right?
I can't see what it is.
20.
Okay, so it has stayed stable at 20 no votes against McCarthy.
So newest news as well, Alexandria Casio-Cortez says that she will not rule out working with moderate Republicans to resolve the speaker battle, but would not support Kevin McCarthy, saying that they would need a more consensus candidate and Democrats would need more concessions.
She says, hey, if we can get on committees and get some chairs, it would be worth it.
This is where this is now potentially heading.
If we cannot find a potential Speaker of the House.
Someone says here, I think Kevin McCarthy is a traitor and a liar to the American people.
He's not to be trusted and does not have what it takes to stand up to the corruption selling out the American people.
Charlie, I'm from Fort Myers, and I used to live in Naples.
Byron Donalds would be a fantastic choice for Speaker.
He is loved here in Southwest Florida.
So AOC is potentially saying, as are other Democrats, like, hey, we'll work with moderate Republicans if we can get some chairs on committees.
This is the one argument against stretching this out too long.
People get impatient.
You've got to keep on doing these roll calls.
People are then saying, I want to go back home.
This is too long to sit around.
I know it sounds silly, but this is the calculus that some people go through.
This is cut 37, Chip Roy nominating Byron Donalds.
Play cut 37.
Yesterday, my first vote for Speaker of the House was for Byron Donalds.
Today, I'm rising to nominate Byron Donalds for Speaker of the House of Representatives.
So that is 20 votes that went for Byron Donalds.
So what we're now getting into is a whole new category of negotiation, which is really the testing of the wills.
Who is going to blink?
Are McCarthy's 130, 140 people going to blink?
How bad does McCarthy want to be Speaker?
If McCarthy can't do a deal with the Freedom Caucus and make the Congress the most conservative Congress in history, then Kevin McCarthy will go do a deal with Democrats.
Someone says, Charlie, Kevin McCarthy is a traitor.
That's your boy.
You must be proud.
This should disqualify Speaker McCarthy from becoming Speaker.
So if you still support him, you're a traitor.
I want to be very clear.
I think that my position is being misrepresented.
I have had a sincere and very clear position of inquiry.
What is the plan?
Could this go wrong?
I'm also trying to live in reality.
For weeks, I warned that this might be happening.
And here we are.
Don't think it's excellent, the direction it's headed.
Latest from Jake Sherman.
Yeah, there's not much in that tweet, but Jake Sherman basically said McCarthy gained no votes there and things stayed exactly the same.
So look, politics is how we negotiate the use of power.
We try to achieve as much as we can within the power that we actually have.
And we have to face that we're not all powerful.
So if 50 Democrats now stand up and say this is terrible, I'm not showing up, then McCarthy can get elected Speaker because of the defections.
If some Republicans leave, then it's possible for Democrats to get the majority if they all stick around.
If they say, forget it, I'm going home.
So now we're entering into the test of wills.
Someone says here, Charlie, why are you putting yourself against the Freedom Caucus but having you email me freedom at CharlieKirk.com?
I'm actually not against the Freedom Caucus.
I'm in favor of the Freedom Caucus.
In fact, I think the Freedom Caucus is too moderate because the Freedom Caucus has been sending way too much money, which is a dollar, to Ukraine.
I think that's an unfair email.
And so what I will say is you must live in reality.
I think we got Ana Paulina calling in.
Is that right?
Once Ana Paulina calls in, she is a member of the Freedom Caucus.
She voted for Byron Donald.
She has not voted for Kevin McCarthy from the floor.
She is a turning point alumni.
Very proud of Ana as she's not yet a congresswoman because they're not allowed to swear in members of Congress until you have a speaker.
So she's still Congresswoman elect.
It could go on for a little bit for a couple days.
So as soon as Ana Paulina calls in, we're going to go right to her and will give us an update straight from the floor.
We say, here's Charlie McCarthy just showed his true colors.
Now, no matter what he does, it will not make the Freedom Caucus move.
You might be right.
Trying to broker a deal with Democrats will definitely not make your speakership more compelling.
Ana Paulina is on the line.
Ana, give us the latest from the floor.
Hey, so sorry it took me so long.
We just got off.
But long story short, look, over the last couple of days, and I know that some people are frustrated, but this is really how Congress works and functions.
We have to ensure that the American people are being protected and that we're really going back to what our founders intended this country should be run, right?
A lot of people are getting disinformation from the media that are saying that apparently there's a possibility that a Democrat could become speaker.
We're not going to allow that to happen.
What we just saw was the nomination.
It's a historical nomination of Representative Byron Donalds.
She's one of the first Black Republicans to be nominated for Speaker.
I've known Byron.
Many people in Florida have.
He served in the state legislature.
He's extremely conservative.
But more importantly, he's someone that people can trust to really move forward and represent, I believe, the true wants of the needs of the American people and really stand against those in DC.
And when I say this, it's a swamp.
It really is.
People are wanting to know what the plan is.
The plan is to talk about this.
I've been in meetings all morning and I can tell you that there are people because of how conference has been run in the last couple of hours that have moved to the not being open to Leader McCarthy at all for speaker.
And unfortunately, regardless of where I am at in my own personal beliefs and positions, I represent only Pinellas County and I'm telling you, I'm fighting for the wants and needs of the people of Pinellas County.
But as of right now, I'm seeing that Leader McCarthy does not have votes to become the Speaker of the House.
And then we have Marjorie Taylor Greene.
How do you see this playing out?
You say Kevin doesn't have the votes.
So then what is the timeline?
What is the plan?
Walk us through it.
Look, as of right now, I think that we're going to continue to stay on the floor until someone makes a motion to adjourn.
But I do believe that we should stay here and that we should solve this and that it's our job to figure out who should best run this house.
And I think that it's important that we don't necessarily attack each other based on those preferences, but also realize that this morning I did go in good faith to see where everyone was at.
And I can tell you that although I'm not a never Kevin person, that unfortunately, because of what's happened within the conference in the last 24 hours even, there's a lot of people that have moved over into that demographic.
And unfortunately, they will never ever vote for him.
And so it's putting us in a position where we need to come together.
We need to discuss this respectfully and then get back to work for the American people.
So we're going to continue to have these discussions for as long as it takes.
And, you know, I'm sorry if it's uncomfortable for you guys, but just know that we're doing this in our best faith efforts.
And also know that we have to make a change now.
We cannot continue to do the same thing.
You guys know spending is through the roof.
Our economies in the whole and we're losing our country.
And so if we have to take arrows for this, fine.
You know, I understand some people are frustrated with me for not voting for Kevin, but I'm listening to what my people said and we're going to do.
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And I've talked to thousands of people and I'm not going to be pressured.
Ana, we are behind you.
God bless you.
Talk to you soon.
And I hope you get sworn in sometime soon.
That would be nice.
All right, Ana.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Charlie.
Bye.
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Joining us now is Marjorie Taylor Green, who is voting in support of Kevin McCarthy to get the other side of the debate.
Marjorie Taylor Greene joins us.
Congresswoman Green, thank you for joining us.
What is the latest on the floor?
Do you think Kevin has the votes to seal the deal?
Walk us through it.
Well, we just did our fourth round, our fourth ballot, and he didn't have anyone to pick.
We just had the same group, 20 people, vote for their third speaker candidate, who, by the way, has presented no plan whatsoever, no agenda, hasn't told the American people or our conference what they want to do.
So again, this is proof that they have no plan, which is my problem all along.
It's hard to support a secret candidate for speaker because they never want to announce who they're running.
And then when you find out who the person is, there's nothing presented.
We have an agenda, and the agenda is to do investigations into Hunter Biden, the Biden administration, impeach Mayorkis.
I want to impeach Joe Biden.
Border security, shut down the Sentinel, killing Americans every single day, and to rein in the spending that has inflation out of control, to audit Ukraine.
That's a resolution I introduced, and we can get it passed.
We have so many things that we want to do.
Hold the DC jail accountable.
I want to investigate them.
COVID origins, vaccines, but we can't do any of this stuff until we elect Kevin McCarthy, who is fully on board with all of these things.
So what you saw is, again, pretty much the entire conference is supporting Kevin McCarthy, except 20 people.
And Victoria Sparks voted present because she's planning to run for Senate in her state and maybe opposing Jim Banks.
That's the rumor.
So, Marjorie, do you think that there is a path for Kevin to become speaker?
If so, what is that path?
I think there definitely is the path.
There's an easy path, and that's for the 20 people that have been negotiating with him for months now and bringing to him, you know, and I was in on some of it with the rules package saying we want this, we want that.
They have gotten what they have wanted.
What they need to do is act like what real people do in the real world, especially in the business world, is when you make a deal, you take the deal, you take the W, you take the win, and you go out there and get the job done.
But they're not doing that.
They're refusing to do that.
And that's not for the country.
That is for themselves.
And that's where I have a serious problem with it, Charlie.
We came here.
We are hired to do a job for the people.
That's the only job that I want to do.
Yesterday, we were supposed to vote to get rid of the 87,000 IRS agent army.
We couldn't do that because we had to go through three ballots on a speaker vote.
And we had the 20 people holding it back.
So we can't defeat the Democrats.
We can't beat Joe Biden.
We can't stop all the horrible things that are happening.
We can't hold the FBI, Department of Justice, and the CIA accountable for violating people's free speech on social media and the internet.
We can't do any of this until the 20 realize that they need to take the deal or ask, get the rest of what they want.
Let's get a win and let's go forward and let's beat the Democrats.
But there's definitely a path.
It seems as if, though, the anti-Kevin votes are increasing.
Walk us through it.
No, that the anti-Kevin votes have not increased at all.
If anyone was watching on the fourth ballot that we just finished, and I just walked out the House floor to call you, it did not increase.
We just had one person vote present because it's Victoria Sparks, and she's angry at Kevin McCarthy because of what he said about Ukraine, because he said that under his speakership, we aren't going to be shipping tons of money over Ukraine.
So Kevin lost the vote because he's not in favor of sending.
So she's interested in running.
She wants to run for Senate, Charlie.
So she's making a statement because it's a possibility she's going to run against Jim Banks.
If he were to run against Senate, I'm just speculating.
That's why we think she voted present, but she'll probably flip right back.
So he held the same group.
He has over 200 people, 200 Republicans.
So explain to me how 20 people, 20 people voted for Byron Donald, no change in their group whatsoever.
How are they defeating over 200 Republicans that have held strong in voting for Kevin McCarthy?
So I don't see any defection there.
I saw Victoria Sports make a political play to vote present because she's going to run for Senate, but she'll flip back.
And this is, and if anybody's paying attention, my point I'm making to you is, I have Michael McCall, I have Kevin McCarthy, I have the same people that people don't think support auditing Ukraine.
I have them supporting my resolution to audit Ukraine, but we can't do anything until we elect Kevin McCarthy as speaker.
And we have 20 Republicans holding that hostage.
So we didn't lose any ground in here.
And I'm, you know, here's something else, a really important point.
This isn't about a personality contest.
This is about working for the American people.
And that's what we want to do.
And if anybody wants to make sure they know what I'm supporting, I'm supporting Kevin McCarthy's public agenda, not something that's been said behind closed doors, his public agenda.
And if people actually read the public agenda, it's unbelievable to think that the 20 Republicans who are my allies and friends are not supporting it because it's exactly what the base wants.
And so we just have to keep working.
We're going to have to keep talking.
We're going to have to keep negotiating and we need to make a deal.
That's how you strike the art of deal.
Yeah.
So Marjorie, right now, what does that look like today?
It looks like there's, you know, a bunch of kind of silly, rather shallow conversations happening on the House floor.
Nothing too serious just based on body language and kind of just they're laughing and walking around.
Is there going to be another vote today?
I mean, what does this look like, Marjorie?
Because people are rather confused.
People are saying, should Kevin bow out of the race?
Is Byron Donalds gonna gain in support because of this?
What does the timeline look like?
Absolutely not.
Well, you just saw Byron Donald's only got 20 people.
Byron Donalds is not going to gain in support.
He's not even a serious candidate.
They have run in two days, Charlie, the same group have run three different speaker candidates.
Jim Jordan, Jim Jordan is flat out telling everyone, I do not want to be speaker of the house.
He wants to be chairman of the judiciary, and we need him to be chairman of the judiciary.
He told Matt Gates to his face right in front of me on the House floor yesterday, Matt, I do not want to be speaker.
I want to chair judiciary.
Why are you doing this?
That was said right in front of me.
Jim Jordan also got asked by the press yesterday in the hallways here in the Capitol.
That's on video.
And they asked him about being speaker and he said, I don't want to be speaker.
I want to chair judiciary.
He's ready for investigations.
And people, it is lying.
Okay, when you have Matt Gates and the rest of the group going out there saying Jim Jordan's going to be speaker, but yet Jim Jordan doesn't want to be speaker, that's lying to the American people, Charlie.
And I'm not going to support any lying to the American people.
All I can do is come on your show and keep going out there and telling the truth of what is political reality because we can't live in conservative fantasy land, although I share those same conservative fantasies with the group of 20.
But I can't, you can't do real work there because it's not real.
We have political reality and political reality is that Kevin McCarthy just completely held strong and so did the 20.
So we just have a battle of wills going on right now and we need to talk it out.
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Last question here, Marjorie.
You know, we had a guest in the previous salary.
He said, well, let's just go to Steve Scalise.
And I kind of just put up the red flag.
I said, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Steve Scalise, very friendly to Disney.
He tried to push Amnesty back in 2018.
He was neutral with Hageman and Cheney, only member of leadership to not go against Liz Cheney.
He's buddies with Hakeem Jeffries.
So, Marjorie, it's kind of like, wait a second, be careful what you wish for, right?
What are your thoughts?
Oh, I completely agree with you.
Look, you know, I like Steve Scalise.
I get, I get along with him here, but you just laid out every single reason.
And he doesn't have the support in the conference either.
And then I think the second point needs to be made: Steve Scalise is not running for speaker.
That's another extremely important point.
Same as Jim Jordan.
Jim Jordan doesn't want the job.
Steve Scalise doesn't want the job.
He is the majority leader.
There is no one in this conference that wants the job more than Kevin McCarthy.
And let me lay it out right here, okay?
I am a conservative, and so I'm going to fight every inch of the way, Charlie, to make sure that conservatives are our values, our principles, our ideas, our policies, I'm fighting for those, and I'm going to continue to.
But here's the truth that people need to understand.
We have 222 Republican members of Congress.
We have to get to 218 to pass anything on the House floor.
Otherwise, it fails and falls flat if we don't have 218.
That means that all of us, including my friends of the 20 that are fighting against Kevin McCarthy right now, we have so much power in our voting cards.
And it's being proven right now.
So we need to put this fight that's happening right now, we need to put it into real battles.
And that's creating legislation that is totally demolishing the 87,000 IRS Army, that's using the Holman rule to fire people like Merrick Garland in the Department of Justice and fire more people in the Biden administration.
The Holman rule allows us to completely cut out their salary and completely get rid of them.
But we can't do these things until we elect Kevin McCarthy and he's willing to let us do it.
He's the one bringing the Holman rule back in into our rules package.
So listen, I'm just telling you, people need to understand we should be fighting on the work that we're doing.
And that's by getting to 218 and demanding good things be done, not in here fighting over a speaker race, which makes the Republican Party look totally inadequate and not prepared to run the country.
And we have to prove we can run the country so we can win the White House in 2024 and hopefully take some more Senate seats in the Senate and hold the House.
And Charlie, that means everything.
When we have all three, we can truly accomplish something.
And so you see, it's a game of inches, and we're fighting for inches in here because, you know, again, Biden's in the White House.
The Democrats control the Senate.
And we barely control the House and we're not controlling anything because we're having a silly fight for no reason.
Yeah, so Marjorie, I guess the question is: who's going to budge?
Who's going to blink?
It's a test of the wills.
And so this could go on for days.
Is that right?
Yeah, and I'm all in for it.
We got to work it out.
And I think it should happen.
I think it's actually, I think this is so healthy, Charlie.
We have to keep on working on it.
But just to say for Kevin McCarthy to quit, no, absolutely not.
If he wants to be speaker, he needs to stay in there and keep fighting because he has the full support of over 200 members of Congress.
He has the full support of Jim Jordan.
He has the full support of me.
He has the full support of many other conservatives.
And by the way, Freedom Caucus members.
This is not an official Freedom Caucus position going against Kevin McCarthy.
It's only a small group of Freedom Caucus that are going against Kevin McCarthy.
So that's something else that people don't know.
It's just sad to me that there's not enough information out there for people to truly understand what's really happening in here instead of just thinking that conservative fantasies can come true by just saying, oh, it's Jim Jordan.
Make him speaker or Chip Roy.
Chip Roy did not object to Joe Biden's electoral college votes, Charlie.
Chip Roy set it out on the January 6th committee vote when they created that committee.
He didn't even vote no.
He didn't vote yes, but he just set out the vote and he knows exactly what he did.
So people need to understand who they're following.
Scott Perry, Scott Perry voted for gay marriage right before his general election.
That is cool.
He voted for it.
He's chairman and he's leading this fight against Kevin McCarthy.
And so I'm sick of these people that have done things that are hypocritical, truly hypocritical, and the base would hate them for it and they would be screaming at them for it.
But the base doesn't know because the only bad, the only person they're hearing being chewed apart is Kevin McCarthy.
Freedom Caucus Rules 00:04:13
So I'm talking to Freedom Caucus people.
Sorry to keep you so long here, Marjorie, but this is important.
We've got tons of viewers right now and people are super curious.
Okay.
So we have, we have, I talked to the Freedom Caucus.
They say they want rules committee, they want steering committee and motion to vacate.
Those are their three things, or at least concessions there.
Are they living in reality or are these unreasonable requests?
Well, I think, you know what?
So let's talk about rules committee steering, motion to vacate.
They have it with five members.
Guess what?
They are proving right now, they are preemptively vacating the chair, and they are proving that you can vacate the chair with just five members because they're doing it right now.
But I'm sure they can get it down to one.
They need to go to Kevin McCarthy and negotiate that.
And that's the kind of talk I want to see happen today.
You know, fine, let's go.
Let's get it done.
And then rules committee, let's take the committees and talk about how committees should be assigned.
Well, if there are 40, roughly 40 Freedom Caucus members, that's a certain percentage of our conference.
And so it would be fair to say that that percentage of our conference of 222 should be put on each committee so that we can make sure that it's fairly laid out.
But do they get to demand to run entire committees?
No, that's not right.
That's not even fair.
I think we need to have Freedom Caucus members on rules.
And I think Kevin McCarthy's willing to do that.
And he's told him.
He's told them that he's willing.
Steering committee, yes.
Again, same thing.
Percentage of Freedom Caucus members put that same percentage on the steering committee, whatever those numbers work out to be.
But I think these are all conversations we can have today.
I love Tucker Carlson's idea last night, Charlie.
Did you see his ideas talking about releasing all the January 6th committee files?
Let's do it.
I am all in for that because those people need to be held accountable for what they have done and how they have politically persecuted people.
I want to see that happen.
I want to see the DC jail shut down.
I want to see January 6th defendants that are not allowed to bail out.
That is completely wrong.
These are things that I want to see worked on.
And I think these are conversations that we can have today.
Church committee.
Church committee is such a great idea.
Right now, I think it's Jim Jordan that is going to be running it.
Thomas Tucker talked about Thomas Massey last night.
Thomas Massey is a great friend of mine.
I totally support him too.
Put Thomas Massey and Jim Jordan running a church style committee right here in Congress.
These are all things that we are so excited to start doing.
But here we are having a stupid fight for absolutely no reason.
So I'm encouraging people: hey, open your eyes and realize what's happening to the majority you worked hard to make happen.
People that knocked doors, people that donated money, people that supported campaigns.
You helped us win the majority.
Now we need to elect the speaker.
We've got over 200 people for Kevin McCarthy.
We got 20 people that just need to come this way.
And all they have to do is let's finish working out the differences and let's get the game going because it's time to do something, Charlie.
We can't wait any longer.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, I know you got to get back to the House floor.
It seems like they're starting some announcements.
You'll be watching.
Marjorie, thank you so much.
Okay, thanks, Charlie.
Bye-bye.
So the 20 people that are currently objecting to Kevin McCarthy, Eli Crane from Arizona, Ana Paulina Luna, Andy Biggs, Matt Gates, Scott Perry, Paul Gosar, Norman from South Carolina, Ogles from Tennessee, Bob Good from Virginia.
I think that's Self from Texas, Mary Miller from Illinois, Cloud from Texas, Bobert from Colorado, Bretchen from Oklahoma, Donald's from Florida, Clyde from Georgia, Harris from Maryland, Bishop from North Carolina, Rosendale from Montana, and Chip Roy from Texas.
It's the same list as yesterday.
We actually never read it on air.
Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
What are your thoughts on this, everybody?
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McCarthy's Path Forward 00:08:18
Apparently the Hill has retracted their reporting and has deleted their tweet and deleted the story saying that it was poorly sourced and Kevin McCarthy is not working with Democrats to try and become Speaker of the House.
So that has been retracted and has been corrected.
Lots of emails here.
People pretty fired up.
This is really, let me just kind of editorialize on this for a second before we welcome Kurt Schlichter back.
This here is really not about Kevin McCarthy and it's not even about the Speaker of the House and it's not about the House of Representatives.
This here has become a culmination point, a proxy war for culminated grievances, pent up injustices of the last many years.
This here is a volcanic eruption of many years of betrayal, deceit, and arrogance.
What's happening here is not about Kevin and it's not about Congress.
It's about the institution.
It is about the organism of our government that has betrayed the people for so long.
And this is the reaction to it.
We have Kurt Schlichter with us.
Kurt, welcome back to the program.
Kurt, this makes Barnum and Baileys seem boring.
Your thoughts, Kurt Schlichter?
Well, you know, I just saw a tweet by Chip Roy who says, hey, this is what it looks like when everybody's here in a seat and we're all debating.
And I got to say he's got a point.
Look, I think people need to take yes for an answer.
I'd like to get this done.
I think the guy with the most votes is probably Kevin McCarthy.
Although I'm not wedded to Kevin McCarthy, I don't care one way or the other.
I just want to get this moving.
But look, I think it's good that we're having a fight.
I just don't think this is the right fight to be having day after day after day.
I think the rebels are going to have to come out and make very clear exactly here are the specific demands that we have that we want, and then we'll elect Kevin McCarthy if he agrees to them.
But we haven't seen that.
And it allows the McCarthy side to effectively paint these people as confused or scattered or self-serving.
So I'd like to see this get behind us.
But, you know, at the end of the day, Kevin McCarthy had to round up 218 votes, hasn't done that yet.
It's kind of like Kevin.
And so I also, my advice to the Freedom Caucus when they called last evening is you guys have to have very clear, if the position is I'm never going to vote for Kevin, then say that.
Then don't even go through the motions of negotiating, okay?
Yes.
But if you say there's a chance, then tell us what you need to have conceded.
Make a list of three to five items.
And they start talking about the rules committee.
And I said to one of the members, I'd had a 20-minute phone call.
I said, I don't know what the rules committee is, and I'm in the business of politics.
I said, I have to look it up.
And they say, well, it's the most important thing.
I said, then explain it.
No, you're absolutely correct.
Look, I'm a lawyer.
I stand in front of 12 people who couldn't figure out a way out of jury duty.
And I ask them to give my clients millions of dollars, like it says on that wall there.
You've got to explain things from people because you're bringing them into a new world, whether it's a auto accident or an aircraft crash or the House of Representatives.
Explain them the facts.
Let them make their call.
12 people that couldn't get out of jury duty.
That's great.
Kurt, I will say one of the reasons this is happening is because the Uniparty and DC has ignored their constituents for so long.
This seems to be kind of an opportunity finally for some of the rebels to get some of that energy out.
Would you agree with that?
Oh, I think that's absolutely true.
And I, I, you know, this eventually had to happen.
And the compromises that need to be made need to be made.
I'm, I, I, I, the way the house has been running out of regular order for a decade or more has just been a complete disaster.
And we're seeing a pushback.
It had to happen sometime.
It is happening now because they have the power, because Kevin McCarthy and the Republicans didn't manage to get a red tsunami.
Instead, they got a red splash.
That's a consequence.
So this fight had to happen.
I don't think it had to happen this way.
I think it should have been taken care of between November and now, but everybody was playing chicken.
And well, this is chicken.
And sometimes the chicken, you know, you crash.
I think, you know, I think we could take a couple days of this.
I think after that, we're going to start looking bad and it's going to start running down our brand, not with the very online people, but with normal people, with regular folks.
And that's a problem.
We need to get into building mode.
We need to be preparing for 2024.
This fight had to happen sometime.
It didn't have to happen now.
It should have happened a few weeks ago.
But it's here.
It's got to be resolved.
That means we need a clear understanding of what the demands are.
And then Kevin McCarthy needs to accept them.
Yeah.
And I also think.
And if not, oh well.
And if I were to say something on air to Kevin McCarthy, it's really not about Kevin personally, even though it's manifested into that.
This is pent up multi-year rage that these members have for good reason because they have seen for quite some time $1.7 trillion omnibus, Ukraine, you know, open southern border, being able to send money to go, you know, secure the border of Tunisia, Oman, Lebanon, and Pakistan, but not a dollar to secure our own border.
And eventually you go full network and you say, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.
But there's a good way to do that, a constructive way, a prudent way.
And then there is an unhealthy way.
I don't think they're necessarily in the unhealthy.
I think calling these people terrorists and Taliban, I think it's super wrong.
I think it's awful.
It's not right.
But I think there has to be a place where, like, okay, you got that out of your system.
Now what?
Kurt, final thoughts.
At some point, you have to take yes for an answer.
This, you know, you're a terrorist Taliban.
That's just stupid.
And they should stop that.
The threats don't make threats.
You can't back up.
Kevin has no heat because he'll have a five-seat majority at best.
He doesn't have heat.
It requires a greater level of leadership.
Look, I blame Kevin McCarthy for this because he's not getting it done.
McConnell didn't get it done.
Rona McDaniel's certainly not getting it done.
And you ought to call your committee member and tell him to vote her out.
Yes.
Kevin McCarthy has a chance to get it done.
He needs to do that.
I don't mind that there's this fight.
This has to be done.
This is a consequence.
But we need to get together.
We need a clear understanding of what the demands are.
We need a compromise.
We need to get it done.
Yeah.
Look, I understand the rage.
I understand the anger.
And I think you got Crenshaw going out there and saying, these people are enemies.
Like, calm down.
All right.
When we want to go invade Tanzania, you'll be first in line.
All right, I got it.
You know, if we want to colonize Sri Lanka, I'll call up Dan Crenshaw.
These people are nothing more than conduits for a very angry populace.
Now, how we solve that anger requires maturity and responsibility, and that's what comes next.
Kurt, thank you so much.
Great commentary.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.
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