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Jan. 5, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Six-Month Speaker Election? with Troy Nehls and Bryan Williams
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Ohio RNC Race Turning Point 00:09:34
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Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Brian Williams running for chair of the Ohio Republican Party.
We talk about the significance of the RNC race and then coverage live of what's happening on the floor from Troy Nels.
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The RNC race that is going to happen on 127 is directly tied to what's happening in Congress.
You see, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and Ronna McDaniel Romney, all three of them are different but similar in the sense that they are the highest-ranking Republicans in the House, the Senate, and of course, running the Republican Party.
And the grassroots is angry.
We are very upset right now.
We do not want things to continue as they have.
$1.7 trillion omnibus bill, losing the U.S. Senate.
It is a pattern of losing our country, losing elections.
And Ronna Romney, running the RNC, who has personally attacked me and Turning Point, believes she's entitled to continue to be RNC chair despite loss after loss after loss.
Well, joining us now is someone who's running for the state party chair of Ohio, who is behind Harmee Dylan and will not vote for Ronna Romney coming up on 127.
Brian, welcome to the program.
Thank you.
Good to be here.
Tell us why you're running and the dynamics that are kind of folding, you know, unfolding in Ohio and why that has national implications.
Well, I'm running for a vacancy in the chairmanship in Ohio for a lot of the same reasons that there is a challenge being brought to run in Washington.
We win elections here in Ohio, but we're making it a little bit more difficult.
And we also have this kind of swamp-like maneuver within Ohio that preordains who gets through primaries.
And so that's those are local state issues.
But one of the major issues in this chairman's fight is who's going to, who will you vote for at the end of the month for national chairman?
I'm the only candidate in the race that has endorsed Harmeet Dillon.
Charlie, you just nailed it.
I mean, that's why we need change.
Three unsuccessful elections in a row.
How many years do you stick with the coach before you say it's time to make a change?
Yeah, and you're right.
You guys do win elections in Ohio.
And praise God, JD Vance got across the finish line.
And thank you for your help with that.
But it was a little underwhelming in the House results in Ohio, was it not?
Yeah, we lost three seats.
We should, we're at a 10 to 5 ratio, Republicans to Democrats.
We should be at 13 to 2.
We had a big kerfuffle when we had a rogue Supreme Court justice side with the Democrats to make our districting process very hard.
But notwithstanding that, we had the filing deadline was bad.
We had two candidates that weren't prepared to win.
They didn't have the proper national support to win.
The contrast that they made with their opponents was weak.
And so, and then Steve Shabbat in Cincinnati lost also.
He was an incumbent who shouldn't have lost.
So, yeah, we had three losses for Congress in Ohio that the red wave should have not re-committed.
It was J.R. Majuski's race and then Madison Jessieto, right?
I mean, so do you think that the RNC, the national apparatus, was giving Ohio the resources it needed to win important races?
No, absolutely not.
The one thing we lacked here that we've had, we've enjoyed in the past, and the RNC has to lead that process are these victory centers.
The victory centers in Ohio are regionally placed.
Typically, we have one here in Summit County.
And what they helped to do is they helped to run the grassroots campaign, getting out and coordinating the volunteers at the local level to make the grassroots push.
We had none of that in Ohio.
Whether or not the money was there or raised or wasn't raised at the RNC level, we had no victory centers throughout the state of Ohio.
Our ground game, both in the J.R. Majewski race, Madison's race, I'm not so sure about the race in Cincinnati, but they were pathetic, completely underwhelming.
That, and absent of the contrast you need with your Democrat opponent, just made it so that these first-time candidates weren't able to win.
Yeah, and I mean, this is an issue that continues to manifest.
So there's other people that are running in Ohio for either the chairmanship or committeemen, and they support Rana.
What is their argument?
Well, the one supports Rana, and that's our chief opposition.
I don't, other than he doesn't have an argument.
All he basically does is take orders from those who handle him behind the curtain.
The other two candidates have been silent, primarily because they really haven't focused on the, they don't really see this aspect of the job.
They haven't considered it in depth.
I think theirs is more their silence is that of ignorance.
But my chief opponent, Jimmy Stewart, he does support Rana, and that's primarily because he was told to do so.
Bob Paduczik is his handler.
He's the outgoing state party chairman.
I'm the current vice chairman of the state party.
He and I have been at odds based on his autocratic type of leadership.
And this is just one more example of it.
Yeah.
And I mean, it's just extraordinary.
We lose the United States Senate, and we're supposed to keep our RNC chair in a year that should have been a red wave.
It's an unfathomable argument.
There is no argument.
That's why 98% of the people that showed up at our turning point event and took our turning point action poll, 98% said they want Rana Romney out of the head of the RNC.
And go ahead, please.
Well, and I can tell you, Charlie, since I've made the endorsement of Harmeet and tried to make it a critical piece of this decision-making process with our state central committee members, nobody has criticized me and said, well, how can you dare to take out this outstanding job?
Right.
I bet it's a positive, right?
I mean, is your meeting this weekend, if I'm not mistaken?
Our meeting is on Friday.
Yep.
I can tell you after being on several other shows and other national show, the emails and support started pouring in both to me and to also state central committee members.
In fact, I would welcome your listeners in Ohio to let their state central committee members know time for a change.
Support a candidate for state party chairman who will support Harmeet Dillon and a change at the RNC leadership level.
And it's been not just largely positive, it's been exclusively positive.
Yes.
And so just in closing, walk our audience through the process.
How does it work in Ohio?
Is it precinct committee men that elect the state party chair, or is there a state central committee?
And then if it's state central committee, who puts the state central committee in power?
So there are 66 state central committee men and women, 33 of each.
They represent each of Ohio's 33 state senate districts.
They were elected previously in a primary.
They are all seated.
We will meet on Friday in Columbus to elect our chairman.
That chairman then will represent Ohio at the end of the month in Washington when we have the selection for the national chairman.
So, the process now, I have the most votes in the race by far.
There are three other candidates who have votes.
And as the bottom vote getter is eliminated, I'm trying to be their choice on the second and third ballot.
And so, if your listeners want to engage, we can certainly happy to let them know who their state central committee man or woman is so that they could recommend our election and we can get some change in Washington.
Well, Brian, I'm glad you're running.
Thank you for joining our show, and best of luck this weekend.
Thanks so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Frustration With The Uniparty 00:03:55
The fifth round of voting is underway right now, and they are going to probably have a very similar outcome than the first four.
Newt Gingrich has some wisdom to share that has made some headlines.
Let's play cut 26, please.
You know, Lincoln in his first inaugural warned that the problem of secession is once you establish that principle, then everybody can secede from everybody.
These five people need to take a deep breath tonight and ask themselves: are they really want to send a signal that every five people in the conference can screw up everything for whatever reason?
Three of them went in and presented Kevin McCarthy with 30-some different demands, most of them involving personal advancement.
And in a free society, you cannot, just as you can't give in to terrorists and you can't give in to hostage takers, you can't allow them to take the conference hostage and win.
Now, I don't think Newt meant that literally because the left calls us literal terrorists and uses the national security apparatus to come after us.
But let me continue to build out an argument that I floated.
The base has been looking for a pressure release valve ever since the midterms.
We had our hopes up for Kerry Lake.
We had our hopes up to win seats in the Senate.
We had hopes up for Herschel Walker and for Blake Masters.
And so we had a very disappointing showing in the midterms.
We had a disappointing showing in the Georgia runoff.
And then how does Mitch McConnell, the turtle, thank us?
How does DC act after a disappointing midterms?
We get an inexcusable $1.7 trillion bill that is now law, that sent money to every LGBTQ fantasy camp, that sent money to go secure the border of Tunisia, Oman, Pakistan, and Lebanon, while disallowing any money to be spent on our own southern border.
We're invaded routinely across the southern border.
Learn that Twitter has been working with our own intel agencies and the Republicans would not be bothered to do anything about it.
And the people have been betrayed and lied to and deceived.
And in some sense, it's just very bad timing for Kevin McCarthy because Kevin McCarthy now finds himself as the metaphorical punching bag, the meeting point, the culmination, the intersection of all the anger, of all the betrayal that people have felt, understandably felt these last couple of months, these last couple of years.
In some ways, this was inevitable because the regime in D.C. has been treating you so poorly for so long that this was just delaying the inevitable.
And you, the grassroots, have been looking for any opportunity, any opening to be able to say, I hate you.
I really hate you because you hate me.
That is the tone and the tenor of millions of grassroots conservatives.
And it's not personally, it's not that people personally hate Kevin McCarthy.
No, no.
It's just he's the guy that you end up yelling at.
Now, people say, look, we love the country.
I love America.
Yeah, I know.
But the hatred that you have for the Washington Uniparty is palpable.
I see your emails.
I mean, every other email is, I don't care if a Democrat takes over, burn it all down.
Freedom Caucus Influence Grows 00:15:12
This is terrible.
The country is over.
Why are we even, you know, basically Donalds are bust?
Somebody said here, it's not about hate.
We're frustrated with the Uniparty.
I'm not so sure about that.
The palpable frustration, the primal rage that I see from you is pretty remarkable.
And it's understandable.
For how long have they said one thing and done another?
And they're fine.
In some ways, people are demanding we reject McCarthy because they're angry at McConnell and McDaniel Romney.
McCarthy is just the lowest hanging fruit at this moment to say, we have been so betrayed, we've been so deceived.
This is the hill to die on.
We'll find out if that's wise.
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I really enjoyed this email.
Charlie, this is grassroots revenge.
I felt sick to my stomach the day the omnibus passed.
It was like the establishment personally made my income shrink in one swoop.
I can say I personally don't hate McCarthy at all.
You're correct.
He's in the wrong place at wrong time.
It's time for revenge.
We have Troy Nels, who is from the 22nd congressional district in Texas and Freedom Caucus member and an all-star conservative who is voting in favor of Kevin McCarthy.
And he joins us right now.
Congressman Nels, welcome to the program.
What is the latest from the floor?
It is now on the fifth round of voting.
It hasn't happened in 100 years.
Walk us through it.
Yeah, Charlie, thank you for having me.
I'm in the cloakroom, the Republican cloakroom, which is just behind the House floor, and I'm looking real time at the numbers.
And right now it shows that Byron Donald is at 19.
I mean, this is the fifth vote.
The last vote, Byron had 20.
I'm going to make an assumption he'll get 20.
So the needle hasn't moved.
It hasn't moved at all.
And, you know, I am a member of the Freedom Caucus.
And I have said to my friends, and they're great people, there's 20 great Americans, America First Patriots.
I said, but if you're going to identify a problem with Kevin McCarthy, let's have a solution.
I respect Jim Jordan probably more than any member up here.
I think he's fantastic.
And when you look at Jim Jordan, he's supporting Kevin McCarthy.
I think the American people that are watching this unfold on their television are saying we had 20 people supporting Jim Jordan.
And minutes prior to that, Jim Jordan is up there giving a speech for McCarthy.
So I just think it shows a little confusion, some disorganization.
And I think we got to get to work and we can do better than this.
So then what is the path forward in your calculus?
Because 20 is a lot.
And that number is kind of holding still, but it seems that there was an Victoria Sparks did whatever because she's upset McCarthy isn't sending enough money to Zelensky or whatever.
But there's no movement in McCarthy's direction.
So what's the plan?
And that's the point.
The McCarthy vote will probably get right up to about 200, 203 again.
And there are going to be, I bet you, 150 of those, 160 of those, that are not voting for anybody other than Kevin McCarthy.
So if you just look at the pure numbers, you got 20 that are against McCarthy.
But right now you have over 200 that are for McCarthy.
You just got to ask yourself, I mean, that's one out of every five that are supporting Byron Donalds.
I just think that my opinion, as a member of the Freedom Caucus and the small majority that we have of four members, I believe that this is not the battle we should be fighting.
We can win the war and lose this battle.
And we do that through legislation next year.
Kevin McCarthy is going to have to understand if he wants anything to get through the House of Representatives this year, he's going to need the support and the endorsement from the House Freedom Caucus.
There are 35 to 40 of us.
And so we will move Kevin McCarthy right, because if he doesn't move to the right, nothing gets done up here.
And that's the battle we should be having.
Get the committee set, everybody in place, and then let's work for the American people and put the American people first.
Yeah, and so I guess you know the Freedom Caucus people very well.
Are they showing a willingness to budge?
They seem to be no Kevin or Bust.
So then how is this impasse going to be broken?
I've had conversations with members of the 20, and I said, you know, there was an issue here as it related to vacate the chair, Charlie, which is a privileged motion.
Nancy Pelosi removed it.
We wanted it brought back and they negotiated and McCarthy got it down to five members that can call that privileged motion.
There are some of the members that said no, it should only be one member that should be able to call that.
And I said, okay, if Kevin would be willing to reduce it from five down to one, would that change anybody's mind of the 20?
And I couldn't get an answer.
So I just, I think this is more Charlie of a trust issue.
I think there are members of our caucus, right or wrong.
They just have a trust issue with Kevin McCarthy.
And it's getting pretty personal up here, I believe.
I believe it's getting pretty personal.
But I think this is embarrassing for our conference.
I think the American people gave us the gavel November 8th, and they're expecting leadership.
They're begging for leadership because we don't have it under this White House and this Congress.
And so now we have an opportunity to lead, and we're fumbling the football today.
Yeah, and it seems as if that fumbling is only going to continue.
And so one of my suggestions to the House Freedom Caucus, and I spent a lot of time on the phone with some of them last evening trying to get clarity here, is be clear about what you are trying to accomplish.
If it is personal, then say it's personal.
They say something along the lines of the rules committee and the steering committee and motion to vacate.
Motion to vacate seems to be getting worked out.
I don't know.
Can you just educate our listeners?
I think it would be helpful for me too.
What is the steering committee and the rules committee?
And why did that in particular drive this thing towards Bedlam?
Well, that was an issue early on.
And Nancy Pelosi removed vacate the chair two years ago.
And what that is, is the privileged motion where any member can get on the House floor and say, I make a motion to vacate the chair, meaning you would have another vote for speaker.
That means you want this speaker removed, right?
You want to vacate that chair, that speaker's chair.
And Nancy Pelosi removed it.
Initially, early on, Kevin didn't seem like he wanted to bring it back.
And then there were negotiations.
We thought initially the conversation was a majority of the majority, meaning if there's 222 of us and the majority of the 222 want to make that privileged motion, let's do it.
It's been reduced down to the five of us.
Five members can get up there and make that motion, and then you would have a vote.
Again, we go through the same process like we're doing right now, Charlie.
We'd have the same process.
And so it hasn't been abused in the past hundred years.
I don't believe, I think it was been done one time in 100 years where they did actually a motion to vacate the chair, and that was Speaker Cannon back in 1909, I believe.
So it's not abused.
I think it's good to have it.
Nancy Pelosi pulled it, and we've had it here for a couple hundred years.
Kevin says, let's bring it back.
Five members, whether it's down to one member, I still don't know if that's going to move the 20.
I don't think it's going to move the 20 people that are saying no to McCarthy.
Yeah, and so just, and then is there anything on the rules committee or steering committee?
That's what the Freedom Caucus people are telling me that they need representation on these committees.
What's the significance of that?
Well, I think the committee assignments are very, very important, but the committee assignments are done by a steering committee.
And there's different regions across the country.
And so the different regions, they select their steering committee reps.
In the state of Texas, we have a total of three of them.
And I believe there's about 30 or 31.
And those steering committee reps make, they are the ones that will draft and assign these committees to these different personnel.
Now, if you want to get the gavel of one of our committees, one of the committees, you want the gavel and be the chairman, you have to conduct an interview.
You have to go in front of the steering committee and sell yourself.
Now, the speaker and the majority leader and the whip, they get a few more votes.
I mean, a steering member gets one, but McCarthy is the speaker.
He would get four.
I believe Steve Scalise III and the WIP II.
So they have a little bit more influence, but still, if you want to get on a committee, yes, McCarthy has some influence, but you also got to reach out to the other members of the steering committee and sell yourself and say, this is why you want that gavel.
And so then the House Committee on Rules would, what do they do?
They set the parameters of how the House conducts business.
Is that right?
Yes, yes.
And what really reaches the floor.
There are some concerns about members that said that the speaker is the one that's going to determine what the floor votes on, what goes to the floor.
And, you know, right, wrong, and different.
We want to make sure.
I believe if I was the speaker, I would want to make sure that when we are voting on legislation as the majority, that it has the 218 to pass.
You don't want to start putting legislation on the floor as the majority, and all of a sudden we can't pass the legislation in our own party.
So there's some pros and cons to all of that, but I just believe that we can hold the Freedom Caucus can hold Kevin McCarthy accountable because we are more relevant today than we've been in the past because we have such a slim majority, 4C, 222 of us, takes 218 to pass any legislation, and there's got to be 35 to 40 of us in the Freedom Caucus.
And Kevin's going to know.
He's going to realize.
If I want anything to pass and send it to the Senate, which may be dead on arrival because the Senate is so dysfunctional, but if we want anything to leave the House, he's going to need the endorsement, support, and the stamp of approval from the House Freedom Caucus.
And that's if we can end up getting a speaker, right?
And so what some of the Freedom Caucus people are saying, well, let's just go for Scalise or anybody but Kevin.
That's a troubling proposition in some ways, is it not?
I mean, it's the old adage, be careful what you wish for.
Sure.
And I've talked to Steve Scalise and Steve Scalise, when we made him the majority leader, he loved that.
That's the position that he wants.
I don't think he doesn't want to be the speaker.
I know Jim Jordan talked to him yesterday.
He didn't want to be the speaker.
And Steve Scalise wants to be the majority leader.
And Steve Scalise yesterday was on the floor and he nominated McCarthy for Speaker.
So all I'm saying is that if we have identified the problem and McCarthy's the problem, you have to have a workable solution to the problem.
And right now, I don't see that.
I just don't see it.
And I think the conference as a whole, when you've got, you know, you're down one to five, you've got over 200 that are supporting McCarthy and you've got 20 that are supporting anybody but McCarthy.
We are at an impasse right now.
And the longer we continue to do this, I think the more disappointed the American people as a whole are going to be, specifically the Republican Party.
Now, some feel that this is the right thing to do because it's a swamp up here and we have to change direction.
No question about it.
We have to do things different up here.
We are at a fiscal mismanagement, $31 trillion.
We've got the southern border.
But if you look at Kevin McCarthy's plan with the commitment to America, I think it's a step in the right direction.
He has made concessions as it relates to rules, the Republican Conference rules and House rules.
He's made some concessions and accepted those.
So I just don't, I don't understand why we are doing this.
I don't believe this is healthy.
And hell, we could be here until July.
Be here till July.
You know who wins in that situation?
Hunter Biden.
He can't believe that he's getting away with it.
And that's the point, Charlie.
That's the point.
We got investigations we have to conduct.
And when you got Jim Jordan as the chair of judiciary, you got Comer as government and oversight.
We can start pushing back and holding the Democrats accountable for their irresponsible policies, spending, and activities they've had over the past two years.
Let's get to work and put the American people first.
Troy Nels from the 22nd District of the great state of Texas.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
God bless.
I am texting with some people on the Hill, and we have some good sources.
I'm talking to the members, and some of the Freedom Caucus says this.
So I was just texting one of the Freedom Caucus people just to give you an idea.
And I said, I think Scalise is much worse than McCarthy.
I agree, and so do we on the Freedom Caucus.
I said, then why don't you guys make a deal instead of going towards Scalise?
And they said, we're working on it.
Hopefully, some news soon.
So the Freedom Caucus acknowledges that Steve Scalise.
They know this.
This is straight from them.
Steve Scalise is way more moderate than McCarthy.
I'm not going to say who that is, but it's one of the 20.
It's one of the leaders on the floor.
Trump's Advice On Middle East Deal 00:04:39
So let's talk about Trump.
Donald Trump said this morning and last night, some really good conversations took place last night.
Now it's time for all of our great Republican House members to vote for Kevin, close the deal, take victory, and watch crazy Nancy Pelosi fly back home to a very broken California.
The only speaker in U.S. history to have lost the House twice.
Republicans do not turn a great triumph into a giant and embarrassing defeat.
It's time to celebrate.
You deserve it.
Kevin McCarthy do a great job and maybe even a great job.
Just watch.
He said this morning: if Republicans are going to fight, we ought to be fighting Mitch McConnell and his domineering, China-loving boss, I mean, wife, Coco Chow.
For the record, that is not her name.
The harm they have done to the Republican Party is incalculable.
Today, he couldn't be elected dog catcher in Kentucky.
Sadly, he only won because my endorsement went up 21 points.
Sorry.
And so Trump is going all in on Kevin McCarthy.
And I'm curious what your thoughts are.
Does that make you more likely to support Kevin McCarthy or less likely?
Now, I did tweet this morning that I thought Donald Trump should personally fly up to Washington, D.C. and broker a deal, whether that's in favor of Kevin McCarthy, in favor of Byron Donald's.
He did write the art of the deal.
He was able to do Middle East peace with Israel and Saudi Arabia and the Emiratis.
He was able to renegotiate NAFTA.
He knows how to strike a deal and he still has a lot of political power.
I don't think it's actually in his interest to do this in favor of Kevin remotely.
If Kevin McCarthy ends up failing, one of the leads will be Donald Trump's endorsement does not mean that much anymore.
So you can't get half pregnant here.
This is my advice to President Trump.
I think he should fire up Trump Force One, fly into Washington, D.C., come and act like the magnanimous leader that he is and call a meeting.
Do the deal.
How many times?
This is what bothers me.
I'll be very honest.
The 2016 Trump energy, how many times when we fell in love with the Trump persona in 16, he said, let's just do a deal.
Get him in the room.
We're going to cut a deal.
Let's just, how many times did we hear him say that?
We said, man, that's real.
We need a guy like that.
And I'm afraid that if Trump does not do that, this is going in an uncertain direction because there is not anyone that has the political power, political capital, that has the capacity to negotiate like Donald Trump.
And I'm supporting Donald Trump in 2024.
So I have a very politically selfish reason.
His stock would go up in everybody's eyes.
He would look like the man that solved the impossible deal.
Hasn't gone to five ballots since 1865.
It looked like a total impasse.
And Donald Trump comes in to Washington, D.C. and makes the impossible deal possible.
It will de-escalate a lot of his critics.
And by the way, it's in his interest to have a functioning House of Representatives to cross-examine and investigate the Department of Justice that just raided Mar-a-Lago.
So, this is a deal that, in some ways, he personally needs to get done.
But if you just look at his 2024 stock, there's a lot of people that are upset with Trump because of Georgia and the runoffs.
And some people said the midterms.
I think a lot of that is unfair.
So, a pro-Trump argument: if you want Trump to succeed in 24, own this.
Fly into D.C.
And some people will say, well, Charlie, if he's not able to do the deal, then it will make him look bad.
Well, look, at some point, you got to take some risk.
Do you think that getting Israel and Saudi Arabia to have a peace deal is somehow easier than getting 16 Republicans, all of which in heavy MAGA districts, to come together and to support a speaker if it's Kevin or somebody else?
No, Donald Trump, he redid the Commodore Hotel.
He built the downtown Park Hyatt.
He got the impossible Trump Tower deal done with the air rights over Tiffany's.
Donald Trump redid NAFTA.
Donald Trump in one afternoon over a couple Diet Cokes and McDonald's could get this speaker's race sorted out.
I hope he does.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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