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| Joining us now is Devin Nunez, who does a great job running Truth Social. | |
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| They do a great job. | |
| Devin, welcome back to the program. | |
| So, Devin, tell us about James Baker. | |
| Well, James Baker, for those folks who don't know, was the lawyer for Comey. | |
| So, one of the top lawyers in all of the Department of Justice, especially at the FBI. | |
| And then he, miraculously, after Comey left, he was involved in the early FISAs. | |
| We think he had a lot to do with that in 2016 and 17 during the Russia hoax. | |
| And then, of course, he was involved in the one of the only two indictments that Durham brought. | |
| He was one of the people who testified. | |
| He's the one who took the information on the Russia hoax to the FBI or accepted it on behalf of the Clinton campaign. | |
| And then, lo and behold, after we conduct this investigation in 2017, he ultimately is forced out at the FBI, and then he lands on his feet at Twitter. | |
| And I think the bigger point here to make, Charlie, is that we're learning in all of this, that we've kind of known from the periphery, but there's been a revolving door. | |
| High-level Democrats through all levels of government that served in the Obama-Biden administration and previous capacities as Democratic operatives have moved over into the big tech world and fill many of the top positions. | |
| And so then you have to ask yourself, there's kind of this merger that's occurred between big government, i.e. Democrats working within the system, big business through the woke corporates who are now funding all of these big tech companies, and then, of course, big tech and the radical left. | |
| Who does this all help? | |
| It helps the radical left, left-wingers, the Democratic Party, win elections in this country. | |
| So I think that's why it's so important that we need to get these Twitter files fully released. | |
| Like I'm all for President Trump and I were very supportive of Elon Musk buying Twitter. | |
| You know, our goal is very simple, to open the internet back up and give the American people their voice back. | |
| And clearly, it's better to have somebody like Elon Musk, even though a lot of people, I think, question, well, he's the richest guy in the world. | |
| What's, you know, he could turn people off at any time if he wanted to. | |
| Yeah, that's all true. | |
| But it's a hell of a lot better than these woke wackos that had Twitter before as a public company. | |
| So what I think Elon Musk really needs to do, Charlie, is he just needs to release all the files so that there's so many great investigators that are out there on True Social and many other platforms that would go through all these documents and then help the non-fake news media actually get more of this information out. | |
| And we probably would learn a hell of a lot more than just James Baker. | |
| The template that was used for RussiaGate, and you were really the chief investigator into RussiaGate, and you deserve a lot of credit for that. | |
| But the template was then reused really for Twitter, which is intelligence agencies, domestic agencies meeting with private actors for a political purpose, whether it be the dossier or Perkins Cooey. | |
| No one was ever held accountable, Devin. | |
| It's a tragedy. | |
| No one was ever held accountable for Russia Gate. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And I think it's all in the same, Charlie. | |
| I don't really see this as anything different. | |
| Russia Gate was just kind of the biggest scandal in U.S. history that we know of, at least in modern history. | |
| But everything that's happened since then is all related and it's all kind of transgenderly related or directly related to the Russia hoax. | |
| So remember, what they needed to do to plant their narratives and to spy on people without having to get a warrant, just go to the big tech companies, either see people in. | |
| I mean, either these people are willing actors who are within these tech companies who can feed information to the FBI and the Department of Justice. | |
| They could be paid or not paid. | |
| We don't know. | |
| So I view this all in one and the same. | |
| And what we see with Twitter is likely only, number one, it's likely just very, very little of what Twitter has and what Twitter's holding. | |
| For example, somebody posted on True Social earlier this morning, I think, asked a legitimate question. | |
| What role did Twitter play with the Canadian truckers who were protesting their rights in Canada against their government? | |
| And they were taken down by the government. | |
| I mean, pretty forceful takedown of that movement where they were protesting for freedom. | |
| They were against the COVID restrictions that were being put on them. | |
| So that's just one example of, I think, what a lot of people around the globe want to know. | |
| What exactly was Twitter doing and how big did it go? | |
| But remember, Twitter is tiny. | |
| Twitter's tiny compared to now we call it Meta, but it's the greater Facebook and Instagram, you know, where you literally have probably over 100 million Americans on there. | |
| What's at Facebook? | |
| What's at Amazon? | |
| What's at Google? | |
| These are all, you know, what and who, how many informants are there? | |
| How many people are cooperating with the FBI? | |
| And the point is, Charlie, they can do it without a warrant, without anybody even knowing, because somebody's on a platform. | |
| They say, oh, it's a business. | |
| And if the FBI's got relationships with them, they can, you know, they're sharing it. | |
| And now, look, I think it would be illegal for our government to do that. | |
| And that's why we need more documents in Congress. | |
| I think if Elon doesn't release them, they're going to have to subpoena all the documents, the Republicans in Congress, to try to make heads or tails of what the hell's happening here. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And so I'm trying to not be cynical, but I also want to be realistic. | |
| I mean, Devin, they're probably still doing this. | |
| Like the FBI is probably meeting with Google right now or with Facebook. | |
| How do we stop these? | |
| Of course they are. | |
| I mean, I think, I mean, look, we don't, we only have circumstantial evidence here, but if they were doing it with Twitter, it's hard to believe they're not doing it with Facebook, which is far bigger, far more destructive than Twitter ever dreamed of being because there's so many more people that are on Twitter or that are on Facebook and Instagram. | |
| And look, it's the same reason why, you know, the Chinese, it's highly likely that TikTok, which is really grabbing a lot of our young people, it's hard to believe that the Chinese aren't doing exactly the same thing, sucking up all this data, using artificial intelligence to essentially build a network and a dossier, so to speak, on every single American and young person that uses that uses TikTok. | |
| So look, it's just almost impossible seeing what they did at TikTok, seeing everything that they've done through the Rush Oaks. | |
| And we can go through countless examples. | |
| Look, I'll just name a quick few that come to the top of my head. | |
| Mar-a-Lago raid, unprecedented, right? | |
| Appointed of a special counsel to target Trump. | |
| Second time it's a special counsel. | |
| The whole January 6 riots that now look infiltrated by people like, say, a Ray Epps, who nobody still knows why he hasn't been prosecuted or even put in jail. | |
| So these are all just simple questions of optimizing. | |
| If they're willing to do all that, hard to believe that they don't have informants at these big tech companies who can view into every aspect of our life, even if you're using the best of the VPNs and you keep all the notifications capabilities and search functions off of your phone. | |
| Pretty hard to believe that someone, that if they wanted to, these big tech companies, they could find out exactly who you're talking to, where you've been, where you're going, et cetera, et cetera. | |
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| So, Devin, then how do we go about actually fixing this fourth branch of government? | |
| What do they fear, if anything? | |
| Kash Patel, who we both call a friend, said we could fence in their funding. | |
| Devin, we have a new Republican Congress, not by a lot. | |
| What can we possibly do to rein in this fourth branch of government? | |
| Well, you call it the fourth branch of government, Charlie. | |
| I call it a full takeover of the entire government. | |
| And the only sliver that we have any piece of is a very small majority in Congress. | |
| And maybe, maybe, I say this cautiously, a few good judges out there, both the federal and state level. | |
| So we've got a big mess on our hands. | |
| And I think part of the thing, the number one thing that we need is information, the flow of information, right? | |
| I mean, that's why True Social working with Rumble, you know, we've created this beachhead against big tech. | |
| Why? | |
| Why, right? | |
| It's because President Trump and I wanted to give the American people their voice back, but we also never wanted to be in a position like Parlor or like anyone else where we're beholden to, say, these 10 big giant tech companies that control everything. | |
| And I think that's kind of the key. | |
| And why do you want that? | |
| You want people to have their voice back so you have the free flow of information. | |
| I don't believe, look, you know, I spend my time between Florida and California. | |
| And it's like the tale of two worlds, right? | |
| You go to California or you go to Florida now. | |
| It reminds me of California when I was a kid. | |
| It's free. | |
| It's open. | |
| It's safe. | |
| The roads are good. | |
| Everything is working in Florida. | |
| But you come to California and yet they were all rewarded, even though California is a total, total crap hole in many ways, sadly. | |
| You know, I go to Starbucks this morning. | |
| I don't have sugar. | |
| I see four bums on the street. | |
| And I'm, and keep in mind, I'm not in San Francisco or LA, Charlie. | |
| I'm in this, you know, I'm in the central part of California. | |
| And I just have to believe that people aren't that stupid. | |
| People just don't think, well, hell, there's no sugar at Starbucks and there's bums all around and we got crime and people are getting shot and killed. | |
| I just have to think that it's a matter of people just don't know the truth. | |
| And so I think that's going to be key is promoting this new ecosystem. | |
| You know, if somehow, you know, Congress can take on and get those files, the rest of the files from Twitter, go after some of these big tech companies like Facebook and Instagram to see exactly what they've been doing. | |
| And then, of course, I think the priority that Congress can do because they don't have guns, they don't have a way to lock someone up is, yeah, they can fight on the margins on the funding. | |
| I agree with Cash on that, but it's going to be on the margins because you're going to have to get almost every single Republican to agree on something. | |
| It's going to be very, very tough. | |
| They can't even agree right now on who their leader is going to be. | |
| And it's delaying, you know, they should be figuring out who should they be subpoenaing right now. | |
| You know, are the existing committees going to be enough? | |
| I mean, there's a lot that's on Jim Jordan and Comer's plate, both the chair of judiciary and the chair of the oversight committee. | |
| You know, look, I think you're going to need something like some type of commission, quite frankly, where you bring in outside people where they can look across all the different government platforms and truly do a big investigation. | |
| Because as I said in the last segment, sadly, it's not to, you know, I mean, look, it pisses me off, but it is what it is. | |
| You know, we're still living in this Russia hoax nightmare where Obama and Biden continue to cover their tracks. | |
| All these bad actors within the DOJ and the FBI are covering their tracks. | |
| You've got a lot of these people that are sitting at the top of the DOJ now that were either brought back or were burrowed in and never left. | |
| And so you have a crumbling system around us, which is creating this kind of nightmare situation that'll go back to what I just, what I started with in this segment, which is you got the tale of two different countries. | |
| Like you've got a California, which is going to hell, and you've got a Florida that's working really well. | |
| So these red states are going to get redder. | |
| They're going to get safer. | |
| They're going to come out of this recession even faster. | |
| And you're going to see these states like California that I think are in big trouble, where you've got 1% of the taxpayers paying over half the taxes or more in California. | |
| I mean, there's some. | |
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Educating The Political Base
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| So look, I'm not trying to be depressed. | |
| I'm not trying to get people down. | |
| I'm just trying to see the world as it is. | |
| And none of this is going to be easy. | |
| We're in the trenches. | |
| And that's why I appreciate what you do with Turning Point. | |
| I was, I don't know, I don't think you saw me, but I was there the other night at Mar-a-Lago, at least at the reception and the after party. | |
| It's being in the trenches. | |
| It's fighting every day. | |
| It's recruiting young people and it's getting the message out because ultimately, you know, humans are smart or smart if they are armed with the information. | |
| Devin Unez, everyone, use and download Truth Social. | |
| Devin, thanks so much. | |
| Charlie, always a pleasure. | |
| Thank you. | |
| Charlie Kirk here. | |
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| Joining us now is Kane, who runs Citizen Free Press, otherwise known as Citizen Kane. | |
| Citizen Kane, welcome back to the program. | |
| What's up, Charlie? | |
| So, Kane, your website is exploding with traffic. | |
| In fact, I have the traffic report here. | |
| It's incredible. | |
| You beat Politico, The Wall Street Journal, NBC News, TMZ, Huffington Post, CBS News, ABC News. | |
| How is that possible? | |
| Tell us. | |
| I don't know. | |
| Do you have any answers for me? | |
| You tell me. | |
| So, how are you able to compete against the big guys like that? | |
| It's nuts. | |
| We talked about it a little bit last time I was on your show. | |
| It's a weird combination of things, Charlie. | |
| Number one, Citizen Free Press doesn't really get any, we get no Google traffic, right? | |
| So nothing from Google News. | |
| So when you eliminate that, and when we also don't have a Facebook page and our Twitter page exists, and it's Spencer Neal is doing a fantastic job with it. | |
| Spencer works for me. | |
| He used to write for the Washington Examiner for a while. | |
| But anyway, we don't use that Twitter page to drive traffic to the site. | |
| So in other words, 97% of the visitors every day to the site are people coming directly to the homepage. | |
| And so they're, you know, we do 100, 120, 130 stories a day. | |
| So they spend a really, really long time. | |
| So when you look at the, if you go deep into those similar web numbers, which are people can look at these publicly, it shows that our average length of visit last month was 31 minutes and 55 seconds. | |
| And to give you an idea of how that compares, for Breitbart, their average length was like two and a half minutes. | |
| And for Politico, it was about the same, about three minutes. | |
| So this long-winded answer to your question is: we get a whole bunch of, you know, a crazy amount of page views because we have really dedicated readers that come three or four times a day and they click on all different kinds of stories. | |
| So this is how I'll wrap it up. | |
| You know, here we are, we're at 250 million. | |
| Our actual server number on Cloudflare, as well as my server company, was actually over 330 million. | |
| So we're about half the size of Drudge in terms of page views right now. | |
| But we only get about a fourth of the visits of, for example, of Breitbart and about a fourth of the visits of Drudge and about a fifth of the visits of Politico. | |
| It's just that when someone goes to Political, the average person stays there for a minute, 30, reads one story, and they leave. | |
| And I call those people flybys. | |
| So anyway, that's sort of the secret stuff behind the traffic. | |
| So what stories in particular are you seeing gain traction right now? | |
| Yeah, walk us through it. | |
| I mean, just kind of, you have a really good pulse of what people are consuming. | |
| Yeah, only because I have to moderate thousands and thousands of comments every day. | |
| So, yes. | |
| It's kind of what you've been talking about, man. | |
| I mean, it's, I've, your show has been fantastic for the last, well, since about a week before the election, I've been watching every day. | |
| And it's the same stuff that you guys are talking about. | |
| Number one, Elon and the Twitter files. | |
| That can be sort of bifurcated. | |
| They, you know, the people, lots and lots of skeptics have turned. | |
| And we're just super happy that Elon is out there fighting for us. | |
| I put a tweet out last night encouraging him to wait for the recession and to try to start up, start buying up New York Times stock. | |
| The total market cap of the New York Times is just about 5 billion bucks right now. | |
| We go in a recession, that stock will fall. | |
| Market cap will be in the 3.5 billion range. | |
| But the problem is the Sulzberger family, it's a split. | |
| The shares are split and the Sulzbergers won't give up control. | |
| But anyway, so people are talking about Elon and freedom. | |
| The second thing they're talking about is whether elections are rigged and whether Republicans should even bother voting. | |
| And the answer is yes. | |
| And that's a concerning one. | |
| I see that. | |
| I see a lot of chatter about that, Kane, and that really bothers me. | |
| And I wanted to talk to you about it, you specifically, because you've been on top of it. | |
| So I'll skip the third thing or I'll bring the third thing up later. | |
| So let's talk about it. | |
| The election rigging. | |
| It's about language, Charlie. | |
| You know this. | |
| I've heard you say it. | |
| We have to be super, super careful so that our voters don't completely lose hope. | |
| We have to explain what we mean by rigged and what we mean when we're talking about these very specific instances. | |
| Because as you know, having the pulse of your audience, we knew there wasn't going to be huge turnout for Herschel Walker in Georgia. | |
| We just knew it. | |
| But I'll shut up for a minute and let you talk. | |
| No, no, no, keep going. | |
| This is really important because this is something we're seeing in the base of the base that is it plays on the margins. | |
| Please continue, Kane. | |
| This is critical. | |
| Well, it is. | |
| It is critical. | |
| And how do you solve it? | |
| You know, I'm dealing with it. | |
| It's in my face all day long, right? | |
| Because I have hundreds, if not thousands, of super angry voters who feel like their votes aren't counted. | |
| And, you know, look, it does get into the ridiculous. | |
| You know, I'll point out, for example, someone mentions Dominion and I say, well, look at Ohio. | |
| Ohio uses Dominion and we won in Ohio. | |
| We did great in Ohio. | |
| And you know what response I get? | |
| I get, well, that was the plan. | |
| They decided to give us Ohio. | |
| Or if I bring up the wins that we had in New York State and California, both using Dominion, they say the same thing. | |
| So there's that one class of our base that is just going to say it's rigged. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| Every single component of it is rigged. | |
| And, you know, but we need to keep that. | |
| We need to keep educating that component of our base, as well as explaining to people and hopefully showing them that, you know, and then my thoughts are kind of disjoying, but I'll wrap it up where you really had it correct. | |
| And I sent you a private message about a month ago that you responded to when you were on Laura. | |
| And what it's really about is in the states where we can't change the ballot box laws and the Dropbox laws, we have to embrace it. | |
| We have to have Dropboxes at conservative events, at little leagues. | |
| So I think you win it by, or we win this debate by, you know, trying to drive home to people that everything isn't rigged. | |
| Everything isn't hopeless. | |
| And we can win within these rules. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And it's a tricky deal because I do sympathize with some of the sentiment and the attitude. | |
| I do not sympathize with the action. | |
| I mean, I totally understand the need to vent and say, oh, it's all broken. | |
| It's terrible. | |
| I get that. | |
| I think there's a place for venting. | |
| And given the lack of integrity, especially here in Arizona, where we're doing this program, I get it. | |
| But I think what is critical is then what do you do? | |
| And disengagement and not showing up is the worst possible reaction to an injustice, right, Kane? | |
| Absolutely. | |
| It should piss you off. | |
| I'm pissed off. | |
| You can tell I'm spitting fire. | |
| I want to vote twice as hard. | |
| These, you know. | |
| Now, I'm a competitive person. | |
| That's my reaction, but that needs to be the reaction of our base. | |
| They screw with us. | |
| Let's hit them back harder. | |
| You don't give up. | |
| You know, the last question you asked to Tom Fitton as you went to break, which was, you know, which is about how to regular ordinary citizens get justice, it sort of ties back into this. | |
| You know how we do it? | |
| We win freaking elections. | |
| We get pissed off that they're screwing us over. | |
| And so what do we do? | |
| We get fired up and we bring five more pissed off people with us. | |
| Yes. | |
| Now, again, that's my personality. | |
| That's how I approach things. | |
| But no, we do not back down and we figure out how to win inside their rules and we come back harder. | |
| Yeah, that's exactly right. | |
| And look, I'm telling you, Kane, you have such a fabulous finger on the pulse, which is so rare because a lot of these people who pretend like they're in touch with general audience, they're not, right? | |
| You see the traffic. | |
| You see what people are clicking on. | |
| And I'm really afraid, Kane, and this is kind of where you and I and Tucker and Bannon, we need to continue to communicate this. | |
| We need to hold the line because I think this could get out of control where we see 10% of our most loyal base evaporate. | |
| And I don't think that's an exaggeration. | |
| Do you see that also? | |
| It's not even close to an exaggeration, Charlie. | |
| You're dead on. | |
| It might be bigger than 10%. | |
| I'll jump back two years for you. | |
| After the 2020 election in November, and we knew we had the double runoffs coming in in Georgia, as you remember, I remember telling Tyler O'Neill, who was the managing editor of PJ Media at the time, he and I were talking privately. | |
| I was like, Tyler, we're going to lose both these races. | |
| I can feel it. | |
| It's all over my website. | |
| It's every five minutes in a comment. | |
| You know, our people are not going to show up. | |
| And so, and so when you say 10%, you know, I hope it's only 10%. | |
| I hope it's not 15 or 20% of the hardcore base that is completely turned off voting. | |
| It's a challenge. | |
| We've hit something here. | |
| This is something that, and Bannon needs to be aware of it. | |
| And, you know, and everybody who's got a voice needs to be super, super careful when they're talking about these issues. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And so when we talk about, for example, you know, I'm living here in Arizona. | |
| Abe Hamaday at the current canvas is down 500 votes. | |
| Yep. | |
| 500 votes. | |
| Yep. | |
| You cannot convince me that there are not a thousand people in this beautiful state of Arizona that said, screw it, I'm not voting. | |
| That's all it would take. | |
| Right, Kane? | |
| One minute round. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| And I think the number, you know, whatever, we've seen numbers from 10 to 30 to 50,000, even higher were, you know, and that's the hardest thing. | |
| If there were some way we could get our hands on the number of people who didn't vote, who went to one, who went to one voting center in Maricopa, went to a second voting center, went to a third. | |
| The lines were too long. | |
| I mean, the number is way bigger than a thousand. | |
| And, you know, I love Abe, Abe Hamada. | |
| I probably did. | |
| Well, look, as I, you know, if you were following the site, I was doing Charlie Kirk headlines, Carrie Lake Warroom headlines, and Abe Hamada headlines nonstop for two weeks. | |
| You know, these are, these are just such great fighters. | |
| And I love Abe, and he's within 500. | |
| And we saw what happened last night. | |
| You know, the Lauren Bobert numbers came in of her recount. | |
| They were basically the same. | |
| So, of course, I'm slightly skeptical and pessimistic that he's going to officially get it, but could, I mean, good heavens. | |
| Yeah, if you're asking my opinion, I think Abe won by, would have, in a fair thing, would have won by thousands. | |
| And one last thing I'll say: Tracy Beans at Uncovered DC has two great articles in the last 24 hours about a heat map, a Maricopa County vote, expected Republican and Democratic voter heat map that they had it plastered on the walls. | |
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| And did anybody, was there someone, a rogue actor with those tabulators? | |
| You know, was somebody screwing with something just to make our lives more difficult? | |
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| Carrie Lake Kane, have you ever seen a non-presidential candidate get traffic or energy on a national scale like Carrie in recent memory? | |
| Not even close. | |
| She is a phenomenon, a force of nature. | |
| It started, you know, I picked up on her. | |
| I remember when she interviewed President Trump when she was still working as an anchor. | |
| And she impressed me a lot then. | |
| And, you know, for whatever reason, well, I know the reason because I sit in front of a computer 18 hours a day, seven days a week. | |
| So I saw Carrie Lake really, really, really early. | |
| And she was phenomenal. | |
| You know, you look, I worked in television. | |
| As some of my readers know, I worked for Lou Dobbs and CNN Moneyline back at, you know, back before CNN was a screwed up network. | |
| And you can sort of recognize talent. | |
| And even among anchors, this woman, she is unlike any other. | |
| She has greater communication skills than any, she has the best. | |
| She has the best communication skills of anyone on the Republican side. | |
| And that includes Governor DeSantis, and that includes Governor Yunkin, and that includes President Trump. | |
| And it's not an insult to any of the others, but as communication goes, that woman, she controls the room. | |
| So, you know, so you were talking about the lawsuit. | |
| Let's see what happens. | |
| I've put up at least five different links trying to break down the different aspects because both her lawsuit and Abe's lawsuit, they are complicated, but they're working. | |
| You know, people need to take the time to see what's in them. | |
| And, you know, we hope for the best. | |
| And we go back to what you and I said at the beginning is we learn how to win within the rules. | |
| Yes. | |
| And we learn from this experience of 2022. | |
| And we kick some butt in 2023. | |
| So let me ask you. | |
| So yeah, let me ask you, Kane, again, just for everyone that's on radio, we got Kane here from Citizen Free Press, my favorite website. | |
| I go there every day. | |
| It's a great aggregator. | |
| I like it because I could, you know what I love, Kane, is that you empower your audience to kind of go through the buffet line of the news items, right? | |
| It's not overly pushed to you. | |
| The audience is in charge, right? | |
| And I just love that. | |
| It's very grassrootsy, and the name Citizen Free Press is apt. | |
| But let me ask you, Kane, Trump and DeSantis, what is your audience saying right now? | |
| Oh, Nelly, that's the hornet's nest. | |
| And it's broken out on a daily basis ever since probably the desanctimonious comments of months ago. | |
| I've tried to stay above the fray. | |
| Look, I like both these guys. | |
| I love both these guys. | |
| I think they can both be fantastic leaders for this country. | |
| I want them to work it out privately between themselves. | |
| I'd love to avoid a horrible primary fight. | |
| Your question was more specifically, what does CFP Nation think? | |
| And it's, you know, it's all over the map. | |
| There are some people who are ready to move on and there are others who wouldn't even consider it for a second. | |
| And I give great respect to both sides and I try to referee, I suppose. | |
| Yeah, it's, I see a split, Kane. | |
| I see a very loyal Trump remnant, and our audience is that way. | |
| I asked our audience a couple weeks ago, and it was overwhelmingly Trump. | |
| However, I have to say, though, there were a lot of asterisks in those emails. | |
| Meaning, Charlie, I'm for Trump, but I don't like when he attacks DeSantis. | |
| Charlie, I'm for Trump, but I can't get over him pushing the vaccine. | |
| Charlie, I'm for Trump, but I don't like the stuff he did with Fauci. | |
| Do you see that too, Kane? | |
| Oh, absolutely. | |
| And those were the three things: the vaccine, Fauci, and what he said about DeSantis. | |
| They bothered a lot of people. | |
| I understand. | |
| You know, it's tough when you do what you do or what I do, and you've got to sort of try to stay above it and process all of this and let it sort of flow into your brain through osmosis. | |
| Yes. | |
| You know, you just sort of have to sit above. | |
| But yeah, I mean, I think he knows it. | |
| You know, Trump doesn't, I think he's well aware. | |
| He has some self-introspection within him and he knows that he upset a few people. | |
| And, you know, it's tough. | |
| That's going to be the big thing. | |
| And okay, so you asked early at the beginning of our interview, what's going on in CFP Nation? | |
| So that was number three, right? | |
| Here's the thing no one's talking about. | |
| What happens when and if Trump is indicted? | |
| You know, I linked to an article from Red State last week that was talking about this saying, look, people, the indictment is coming. | |
| We need to start talking about it. | |
| And I've been wargaming it with Spencer and in my head for a couple of months. | |
| And I'll throw it out there really quickly in 30 seconds and then hear your response. | |
| Yes. | |
| My war game is this. | |
| They're coming early. | |
| They're coming early. | |
| I don't know if it's going to be the Mar-a-Lago or the J6 case. | |
| Lord above, I hope they don't go with both, but they're obviously going to try to get a DC jury. | |
| The normal trial would be delayed 15 months at least, if not 18 months. | |
| But Trump's going to demand a quick trial, a quick and speedy trial, because, you know, let's say the indictment comes in February, March. | |
| You know, he's going to want a trial by July so that the whole thing can be done by November before 2024 even hits. | |
| So I feel like there's a high probability that there's an indictment coming, then five months, and then the trial begins. | |
| And now I'm going to throw it back to you with that. | |
| I think Fulton County is actually what he has to worry about most. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I actually think it's not, I don't think it's DC. | |
| I think they want a spectacle in Georgia that hurts him in the battleground state of Georgia in suburban voters there and puts it on display. | |
| I know. | |
| Okay, here's my response to that. | |
| All right. | |
| My response to that is they have a heck of a lot harder time convicting Trump in Germany. | |
| Correct. | |
| No doubt. | |
| That is exactly right. | |
| 12-0 jury in Georgia. | |
| I think, though, that based on the insiders I've talked to, the strongest case they have is the Fulton County one. | |
| Could be wrong. | |
| Kane, you're fabulous. | |
| CitizenFreePress.com. | |
| Thanks so much. | |
| Thanks so much for listening. | |
| Everybody, email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. | |
| Thank you so much for listening and God bless. | |
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