A planned election day wave transformed into an election day ambush, thanks to faulty machines, long lines, and incorrect guidance from poll workers. Did Republicans rely too much on a single strategy? Charlie and Andrew discuss whether or not the future of the GOP lies with embracing the same ballot capture techniques Democrats have already mastered. Plus, Charlie lays out how the only way Democrats win forever is if conservatives decide to give up.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Charting The Path Forward00:04:38
Hey everybody, the path forward in Arizona.
After some disappointing ballot drops, we try to chart the path forward.
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The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.
We shall go on to the end.
We shall fight in France.
We shall fight on the seas and oceans.
We shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air.
We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be.
We shall fight on the beaches.
We shall fight on the landing grounds.
We shall fight in the fields and in the streets.
We shall fight in the hills.
We shall never surrender.
And if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British fleet, would carry on the struggle until, in God's good time, the new world with all its power and might step forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.
That speech by Winston Churchill was given on June 4th, 1940.
Interesting, I never thought about this.
Turning Point USA was founded on June 5th, obviously, 82 years later.
But interestingly enough, the speech, We Shall Fight on the Beaches by Winston Churchill, was given at a time when, if you listen carefully to what he is saying, he's basically saying, We are all alone, but our will, the will of the people, the will of our isle, through blood, toil, tears, and sweat, will overcome whatever they throw at us.
And this speech, more than anything else, terrified the National Socialist Workers' Party.
This speech given by Winston Churchill was the thing that Hitler and Mussolini and the Axis of Evil feared the most.
What they feared was a battle cry of the will.
You see, the only way that the Axis was going to win is if the English-speaking people, the Anglosphere, would surrender.
And Churchill knew this.
Churchill studied them.
Churchill was warning for years about how this axis of evil did everything they could to break your resolve.
And Churchill, he flushed it out.
And he basically said, every square inch that we have on this aisle, we will fight.
And that famous line, we shall never surrender.
We shall fight on the beaches.
We shall fight on the landing grounds.
Basically, what he's saying is, every square inch imaginable, we will defend.
I find a lot of inspiration from Churchill because I know a lot of you feel as if we are all alone and that things are falling apart, especially after the unfortunate and just quite honestly, inexplicable news at times.
We Shall Fight On Beaches00:02:23
Kerry Lake losing independence on Election Day, voting machines going down on Election Day.
But we can look to that sort of message: the only thing that the other side needs for their victory, the thing that they need for victory, is for us to surrender.
And the question is: are we going to say that we will never surrender?
I know a lot of you are exhausted and fatigued, and many of you are just so sick and tired of this.
You know, I was actually supposed to be right now in the UK.
I was actually going to go visit Blenheim Palace and all that.
I canceled the whole thing.
There's too much going on here in this country.
America First is not just a slogan.
You actually have to live out America First.
I was going to go debate at the Oxford Union.
I was going to go speak at Cambridge.
All really nice stuff.
You know, stuff that would be great honors and all those sorts of things.
The country's in way too big of a crisis right now.
Donald Trump is announcing for president tonight.
We're going to be looking very closely at that.
Obviously, what's going on in Arizona, the Attorney General's race, there's leadership elections in the House.
The House of Representatives is still not called.
And so here we are.
We need to ask ourselves the question: will we surrender or are we just going to give up and give the left everything that they've been asking for?
There's a lot of good news to celebrate.
Governor Greg Abbott of Texas has signed a declaration of invasion on the Texas border.
The very same thing that Kerry Lake pledged to do the first day of governor of Arizona.
And inexplicably, in some ways, Kerry Lake is not going to be governor of Arizona.
Now, we're going to fight.
We're going to try to cure as many ballots as we can.
There will be lawsuits.
There will be attempts for another election in Maricopa because of all the disenfranchisement.
But there is no use in trying to raise our expectations to a place of hopium.
We're going to hopefully get some sort of remedies, but that's how things stand right now.
Governor Greg Abbott signing a declaration of invasion.
We are going to have the House of Representatives maybe by three or four seats.
There's a lot of good things happening.
Donald Trump announcing for the presidency tonight.
We're going to be looking at that very, very closely.
And if we have producer Andrew with us as well, Producer Andrew, good morning.
Good morning, Charlie.
I love that intro.
The cold open got my blood going.
I'm feeling pumped and ready to go.
I think a lot of the audience is in a similar place where there's sort of the fog of wars around us.
So to get pumped up with some Churchill was great.
And I have other good news, by the way, on the House front.
Good News From California00:06:48
It looks like Representative Ken Calvert will defeat Will Rollins in California's 41st.
That should be 218.
Yeah, no, we're at 217, and there's 13 races left.
And we're ahead or winning in the majority of those.
So obviously, mail-ins are going to keep coming in, and those will close, and the Dems are going to pick a few of them off.
But this is interesting, too, because this was a GOP stronghold for years.
Calvert's been representing this area since 93, but this was one of the redrawn maps, and it included a big part of Palm Springs, which has a lot of Democrat voters in Palm Springs.
So for him to hold off the challenger here is a big win and really solidifies it.
I mean, I don't see any path for the Democrats to take the House now, really, unless they ran out the board, and that's just not going to happen.
And that's terrific news.
And look, I just want to reemphasize this for people watching here.
I am open to anybody that could possibly explain to me.
I want to hear the explanation.
And obviously there's ballot capturing and all this nonsense, but any logical explanation, okay, within the framework of what is widely accepted that Kerry Lake, who had unbelievable support, that won independence three to one on in-person election day, that was able to have this massive crowds and all of this, lost to Katie Hobbs, who refused to debate, did not campaign, had no support whatsoever, zero on the ground.
And it seems like that's the new model, though, isn't it, Andrew?
No.
Fetterman, Hobbes, Biden.
Here's the model.
Here's the model that they're proving.
I mean, it started with Biden staying in his basement.
We all laughed at that while Trump was drawing crowds of 30,000 people all across the country.
He got air support, a lot of money, a lot of money, a lot of disinformation.
You know, the left projects what they themselves are doing.
I mean, they believe maybe sincerely.
I mean, I wouldn't put it past them.
They're living in a bubble, but they believe that Republicans are fascist, that this is the end of democracy.
We all know this is a joke.
They believe that, and they put out disinformation about abortion.
A lot of young women were believing that stuff.
A lot of people on TikTok, a lot of young people on TikTok were believing that stuff.
And they felt righteously engaged in the struggle to keep women who had miscarriages out of jail.
We're going to talk with FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr about TikTok, specifically how disinformation spreads on that platform with young people.
But you stay in your basement, you spend a lot of money on air war, you spread disinformation, and that's, and you ballot capture, and you use early votings.
That's the model.
We've identified it now.
It's the machinery of electioneering, the old way of actually spreading your message, rallying crowds together.
It doesn't seem to be the model right now.
It's really sad.
It's really bad for our country.
By the way, they always say it's a democracy.
It's a democracy.
We're not a democracy.
We're a republic, but it really isn't no longer about persuading voters or making messages.
Literally, Katie Hobbs didn't debate.
Fetterman just kind of, I don't even think that was a debate.
It was pathetic.
No, instead, what it's about is just running the game.
It's about machinery, tracking down ballots.
So they send out ballots all over the place.
So Carrie Lake is out there trying to earn votes and win people over.
She was running a 1995 style campaign.
But Democrats, they were like, okay, yeah, yeah, you go talk to voters.
We're going to go run up the score in Tempe at ASU.
We're going to have drop boxes right there.
And by the way, we're broadcasting our biggest message and we're saying, oh, yeah, we're going to show up on election day.
We're going to show up right on election day.
And they say, okay, well, maybe there's going to be a lot of toner issues.
I'm not saying we have no evidence yet that they did intentionally, but come on.
I believe that these people are super sinister and they wanted to derail Kerry Lake at all costs.
And guess what?
We know materially that people were disenfranchised on election day.
And there were our two-hour lines at polling places all across the valley.
People heard about that and they got, they just said, forget it.
I'm not going to go vote.
Well, don't forget, Charlie, 70% of Election Day voters were Republican in Maricopa County and in Arizona in general.
So if you're going to have lines that are an hour and a half long, if you're going to have toner issues, machine malfunctions, you're going to have different information coming out of the poll workers.
And again, you've made this point very clear.
We don't have any ill will towards the poll workers.
A lot of them are Republicans.
A lot of them are older people that were volunteering their time, you know, but they were sending out mixed signals.
A lot of times they were telling people to go to a different polling place.
A lot of voters don't know what it means to spoil a ballot and to box three.
Nobody knew what box three was.
We were trying to figure out box three on election day.
This definitely impacted how many Republicans voted in Maricopa County.
You think that Trump lost Maricopa County by two points.
Carry's on track to lose it by basically three.
That does not stand to reason, especially with the polling.
None of it does, I mean.
And so basically, campaigning and this is the big learning lesson and, quite honestly, it should have been the biggest lesson out of 2020 because we did not make the changes and the Republican legislature here or the Republican governor in Arizona they didn't get rid of universal vote by mail, they didn't get rid of drop boxes, and you know we were, we were advocating for that and they said there was a lot of efforts yes, a lot of efforts to do that yes, and it just failed.
And the Republican governor here in Arizona and the legislature just didn't get it done.
Rusty Bowers, for example Uh, blocked a lot of it.
And so the Democrats, when they, when they scream about democracy, what are they screaming about?
They're screaming about universal vote by mail, drop boxes on every corner.
Basically, what they've been able to do is they have now created a model where yes, they come in with hundreds of millions of dollars of ads to at least get to some equity with independence right, that they need to be able to get within 10 five to 10 points of independence and then they're able to run up the score with these ballot capturing drops at ASU and University OF Arizona and NAU or at PENN State University and at some point we're not able to actually close that gap because,
if they're, if they're getting voter turnout where basically every single human being in a precinct is voting, because they all have universal vote by mail and you're not supposed to be able to ballot harvest in Arizona.
But I find it impossible to believe that the Democrats are not ballot harvesting.
I mean, we've gotten, we've gotten no, we've gotten a bunch of leads that that they were actually harvesting.
No, I mean, it's the very minimum to show that and not one person has been indicted for that.
Black Bags At Tabulation Center00:15:13
But at the minimum Charlie, you know, this is when we're, when we're kind of doing the post-mortem.
Here we can see that the if, if they weren't out and out ballot harvesting which I think they were they were using early voting tactics because again, this is all publicly available information.
They were using early voting tactics to drive the vote early, and then they saw what was left on the board, deploying capital teams to go push those people to vote right phone call banks, all that stuff.
We've got to get better at that, and I think one of the lessons of this election is that the conservative movement has to marry the old with the with the new right.
This energy, this populist energy uh, on the conservative side, I think is really healthy.
I think it's very, very good for the country.
Um, but you have to take some of the old tricks that the old dogs knew.
Now listen, i'm no Mccain fan, i'm no Flake fan, but what they did really really well was they drove uh, probably the 50 to 60, an older crowd with early voting.
Mccain was expert at that, and that's why you see places like Arizona and Florida.
They were very good at early voting because they knew their voters loved to vote early.
So okay, we've got to marry some of these, these strategies together.
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Someone says, Charlie, I'm disappointed in you.
When we watch the commercial breaks, we see a fiery Charlie Kirk, someone who hits the issues head-on, someone who isn't afraid of the opposition.
I feel like we've seen a very passive Charlie Kirk the last few days.
We both know there was foul play.
We know voters were turned away in Republican areas.
We know that numbers for the GOP were somehow Arizona got a Democrat governor and senator.
Nothing is right.
It's your show, but it disappoints me to watch you pass it on these issues.
How on earth can you say I'm passive?
We're the only show talking about it.
I understand you guys are angry, but just be accurate.
So look, we're at a piece of, we're in a place right now where the governor's race in Arizona, the attorney general's race in Arizona, the Secretary of State's race in Arizona, all of them together, including also, of course, the Senate race, we never might know what the result would have been.
We do not know.
Now, for all of you guys, they're getting so mad.
I mean, I just have a question.
Why has the RNC, or where's all these massive lawsuits that are being filed in Maricopa County Court?
Why has not one been filed?
So maybe that should be the focus of all of our attack or attention.
There has not been a lawsuit filed for disenfranchisement.
They filed one lawsuit to try to get polling places extended and it failed.
Just to give you an idea of how corrupt the judges are in Arizona, they filed a lawsuit to try to get the polling window extended on election day and it failed.
Just did not work.
The judge said, Yeah, I don't see enough evidence that voters were disenfranchised.
Andrew, what is your response to people that say, look, we have to fight very hard at this moment?
I totally and completely agree.
I'm waiting for the deluge of lawsuits.
I haven't seen it, Andrew.
No, to that point, we are fighting.
People don't know everything that's going on behind the scenes.
First of all, you need to go to defenddemocracyaz.com if you have a story that you were disenfranchised.
They were going to be gathering all of those stories up for either a class action lawsuit or something of that variety.
And they are going to be pushing back on this.
The other thing that they're going to be trying to do when everybody keeps talking about the machines, I understand the frustration with the machines.
We all wonder the same thing.
Guys, until we have clear evidence, we can't go after it.
It's also, I don't know, we're going to be doing a handful of people.
What frustrates me, though, is that I was so attacked for telling people to maybe early vote.
Remember that, Andrew?
I said, guys, you should entertain.
100%.
And everybody was like, there's no chain of custody, all this stuff.
We get that.
But here's the thing.
So, guys, and this is the person, whoever at the Arizona Republican Party decided to publish this thing on a piece of paper.
So my mother-in-law is a four out of four registered Republican, and someone knocked on her door in Arizona.
And I'll never forget this.
It was a week and a half and a week and a half before two weeks before the election, and they dropped off a golden ticket, right?
Which is how to vote on all the props and everything.
And on the top of the golden ticket, it said, The primary proved that voting on election day is the best strategy.
And I thought to myself, and we did a whole show on it, I said, Man, we're broadcasting exactly how the Democrats can disrupt our final move.
Like we're telling them that all they have to do is create some sort of clogging of the drain on that day.
And I want to be clear, Charlie.
One of the goals that they are going to be pursuing is a hand count of the actual ballots in Maricopa County.
Okay?
Yes.
So that is one of that's one of the main things that you can do to check the work of the machines because people actually have to physically fill in the bubble.
And so, and by the way, there is a lot to fight on this.
And I'm trying to communicate this with Abe Homeday's campaign.
And this is where, honestly, there was some really bad legal advice.
Andrew, remember when some people came out and said you can check into one polling place and vote at another?
Remember when people said that?
Yeah, it's not true.
There's 3,000 voided votes in black bags right now in the Maricopa County Tabulation Center.
The Kerry Lake campaign was giving bad legal advice.
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There was legitimately thousands, if not tens of thousands, of voters disenfranchised on Election Day in Arizona.
PlayCut 309.
Tabulator voter suppression issues started shortly after a county technician arrived to check our equipment.
Starting at 11:30, we started experiencing issues with tabulators not accepting voters' ballots.
These voters were instructed to re-enter their ballots four different ways in the original tabulator.
Then, if all failed, to do the same thing in the second tabulator, then if failed again, go back to the first tabulator and try again.
If all 12 attempts failed, they were given the choice of spoiling their ballot, having another printed, fill out their ballot again, and try submitting the tabulators again.
A 30-plus-minute process on top of waiting in line for an hour plus or placing their ballot in drawer number three.
Between 11:30 and noon, approximately 10% of the ballots were failing.
Between noon and 12:30, approximately 20% of the ballots were failing.
Between 12:30 and 1 o'clock, four of every seven ballots were failing.
And that right there is a poll worker in Scottsdale, Arizona.
And we hear about that all across the valley.
The result of this, because Maricopa County will respond, they say, Oh, well, all the ballots were eventually counted.
Well, hold on.
All afterwards, what ends up happening is because, sorry, you get these very, very long lines and people then get deterred because of that.
Do we have that other tape here that we sent of all the people that were turned away on Election Day?
Which, by the way, should be illegal.
Andrew, how many people do we have that have contacted us that have said that they went to go vote and it was a one hour and two hour wait?
Now, remember, we made the analogy that it would be like trying to go down to New York City at five o'clock, try to get double the amount of traffic.
It's just a traffic jam ends up happening.
Well, and remember, Charlie, a judge struck down extending poll hours.
They closed everything at seven, right?
There was a request put in and a judge closed that.
So we know that, but there's thousands of emails in our inbox right now of people that were turned away, confused, basically disenfranchised.
So that's going to have a material impact on this election.
And if not for Carrie, definitely for Abe, you know, so they need to pursue legal remedies.
And so let me tell you guys about something that a lot of you are on to, which is great, which is a lot of people are emailing us and they say, Charlie, what about all these black bags at Maricopa County Tabulation Center?
You guys are onto something there, actually.
I talked to one of Kerry Lake's team members last night and he told me that those are called voided vote votes.
We cannot get an answer from Maricopa into how many voided votes there actually are.
Now, a voided vote could be someone that actually was trying to game the system.
But there was a press release that was sent, and I can't remember who we're going to find, but on game day, when all this confusion was happening, when all of this confusion was occurring, some people said, hey, you could check into one voting center and then just go vote in another one.
In fact, poll workers were telling people that.
Poll workers were telling people, oh, you could just go to another one if the machines don't work.
Well, that actually now has resulted in these huge black boxes of ballots in the Maricopa County Tabulation Center of voided votes.
And so I don't know if that's going to make a difference for Carrie, but for Abe, those are potentially 3,000 votes that could be voided because they said they, by the way, under statute, there might not be a remedy to be able to count them.
Andrew.
Yeah, well, and by the way, just so you know, there was the AZGOP was telling people you could go to one polling place once you check in and go to another.
And it turns out that has resulted in thousands of voided votes.
Yeah, a strategic blunder, if not just a mistake, because people weren't sure on the details.
But I mean, that day, as soon as issues started happening with the tabulation center, I mean, I'm not throwing her under the bus.
I think she was just getting bad information as well.
Kelly Ward put out, don't put your ballot in Dropbox 3, go to the nearest open polling center.
But when you think about this, and you're probably thinking about this in our audience, is a four out of four R.
Okay.
If you're a two out of four or one out of four, you're leaning towards Carrie.
You don't got time for that.
You got kids you got to take care of, pick up, drop off.
You've got work to get to.
Not everybody has the time to sit around all day on election day and deal with these shenanigans that they were polling.
And by the way, another piece of breaking information that we learned last night, Charlie, is that Stephen Richer, you know, a top Maricopa County election official, he donated.
This is proven.
He donated to a far left resistance group on Twitter that we all know and love, Patriot Takes.
And I use that sarcastically.
It's actually a, it describes itself on Twitter as a dedicated researchers monitoring and exposing right-wing extremism and all threats to democracy.
And he donated to them.
Stephen Richard donated money.
Granted, it was $40, but it's very, very telling that Stephen Richard would put $40 towards an account like Patriot Takes, which all they do is clip shows like this and Bongino and everything else, and they blow them up on Twitter.
Let's play another piece of tape here.
And this goes to show how many people were disenfranchised on election day.
What cut is that?
280.
Thank you.
None of the machines were reading very well.
My first ballot, they tried to scan about eight times.
It was rejected every time.
They were saying that the tabulating machines were down.
The line was at least 20 people at the tabulators because of the functioning, ill-functioning tabulators that should have been properly tested and ready.
Put my ballot in, it did not take.
I reversed it.
It did not take.
One of the tabulators was broken, and the other tabulator kept rejecting everyone's vote.
Andrew?
Yeah, I mean, it's our inbox is filled with these.
They're filled with them.
And I want to, again, encourage everybody to go to defenddemocracyaz.com, tell your stories.
Those could be used in future litigation in Maricopa County.
So it's not just, it's not, you know, they're not compiling some sort of diary just for the sake of it.
They're going to be using these stories and they might be reaching out to you if you have a compelling one because this is endemic in Maricopa County.
I mean, to your point, Charlie, I mean, we telegraphed our move.
Yeah, and I'll take responsibility for part of it.
I said I was going to vote on game day.
I encouraged some people to vote early if this would have intimidated you.
And we were worried about a traffic jam and they set us up.
Literally, this was an ambush.
This right here was a ballot ambush on election day.
There is no other way to put it.
Now, was it people say, oh, you don't know if it's intentional or not?
It doesn't matter if it's intentional.
It happened, right?
The motives we can uncover at a different time.
But one out of five of voting centers in the most Republican areas resulted in 30 minutes, 45 minute, hour-long waits to vote.
By the way, on that chart, it was an ambush.
You tweeted about that on election day, and Maricopa County retweeted or quote tweeted you and basically said, none of this is true.
You want to know what's true?
We got thousands of emails in our inbox of people saying, I had to wait half an hour.
We've got dozens and dozens of video testimonials of people saying the exact same thing that they waited 90 minutes, two hours on election day.
A Ballot Ambush Unveiled00:08:39
That's unacceptable.
And here's just one note of caution to the audience.
Everybody says machines, machines, machines.
Guys, whether it was intentional or not is irrelevant.
It is very, very hard to prove malice or intentionality in the court of law.
It just is.
You're going to take Bill Gates and Steve Richard to court.
They're going to say it was unfortunate.
We've already apologized for it.
From a customer service standpoint, it wasn't good enough, but it was not intentional.
That is misinformation spread by Carrie Lake and all of her, you know, all these people.
It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not.
It doesn't matter if it was malice.
What matters is it happened.
That's provable.
And it was disenfranchising for thousands of Maricopa County voters that skewed heavily Republican.
That needs to be litigated.
Let's get to another piece of tape here.
And by the way, I'm not blaming Carrie Lake's campaign.
I am stating a fact, though, that Kerry Lake's campaign and some of their messages did communicate something that was incorrect because it was Bedlam.
Okay.
And I think they regret it.
But right now, Abe Hamaday should sue for the, and so should Kerry Lake for those 3,000 voided ballots that are in Maricopa because there's 3,000 people that got news that they could go vote at another polling place after they check in.
And ironically, Andrew, it's actually the system doing its job.
I know that sounds weird because it's actually supposed to trigger a do not allow to vote.
Does that make sense to allow you to go to multiple places to vote?
Yeah.
And so paradoxically, it actually is there to prevent fraud, but these people were not cheating.
They were going because it would not accept their ballot and people told them to go to another place.
Okay, let's play another piece of tape here.
Let's go to 310.
Which one's been working there?
Which one's working better?
Yeah, I thought so.
I have to stress it though.
Okay, go ahead.
He's like it already.
Keep pushing it over.
Yeah.
Can I come over here now?
It's never going to go true here.
Here's just it.
Guy and Prayer.
Oh, really?
It didn't work here.
No, it worked here first time.
We voted for the wrong person.
Oh, no.
That's not the right word.
You can put it in here.
It'll be counted tonight.
Yeah.
And so there's a guy who's trying to vote the normal way, and he's being told, oh, you can just put it in here and it'll be tabulated tonight.
By the way, it wouldn't be tabulated tonight.
That was actually misinformation right there from a poll worker that it would be tabulated tonight.
That was not true.
They got shipped downtown that night and they've been counted in batches ever since.
But it was not, they would not get counted that night.
And that was a big, that was actually a big concern of AZGOP, which is why they were messaging out, don't go, don't put your ballot in box three.
We don't know what the chain of custody is, and it'll get lost in the system for days.
Yeah, and still to this moment, at this hour, my assistant who voted in person on election day still has not had his vote counted, even though he did it in person on election day.
Still to this moment.
Inexplicably.
No one knows what's going on there.
Let me tell you the attitude we should not have.
Charlie, I officially give up.
What happened to Lake is impossible.
Country is lost.
I'll never vote again because my vote doesn't count.
Democrats now just appoint dictators.
That is the wrong approach.
That is giving up and giving the Democrats everything they need.
Now, just hear me out for a second here, okay?
I do believe that Democrats, ballot captured and ballot harvested.
But if it was, if your vote did not count, for example, why is it that David Schweikert was able to win his congressional district?
Why was Eli Crane able to win to be able to give us the U.S. House of Representatives?
Why is that the case?
No, what is more practical and logical is that, yes, there is voter suppression happening based on the drop boxes and the ballot harvesting.
It's all around the same themes that we talked about in 2000 Mules.
It's all around that.
But if you live in Scottsdale and you voted in person on Election Day, I think your vote counted.
Now, was it canceled out by other nonsensical people halfway across the valley?
Maybe.
But look, you got to remember, the Democrats want you psychologically defeated.
We enable this psychological defeat when we convince ourselves that the Democrats have these omnipresent, everywhere super fraud powers.
Now, let me just say this again.
I am convinced.
It is inexplicable to me, inexplicable, how Carrie Lake lost independence on Election Day.
I want someone to come to me on this program and let me know how Carrie Lake lost independence on ballot day drop-offs by 20 points when she won them with in-person Election Day.
What's the answer to that?
I don't know.
That defies the laws of nature to me.
You know, somebody said, Charlie, you were so confident.
You were so confident.
Yes, I was confident because I thought under no circumstance whatsoever, under no calculation, under no possible formula, did I think that Kerry Lake would win independence when they went in to vote on Election Day three to one and then lose them if they dropped off a ballot?
That's the difference right there.
If Kerry Lake would have just won those independents of the people that drop off their ballot on election day, now you might say, well, Charlie, she did win them and all this.
We may not know.
We do not know.
But here's the essence of it.
While we were trying to win votes, this is what everybody can agree on.
When we were trying to win votes, Kerry Lake was doing rallies, Kerry Lake was doing interviews, Kerry Lake was doing press gaggles, Kerry Lake was talking to reporters.
She was running a campaign.
The Democrats, they were running a machine.
There's a difference now between running a machine and running a campaign.
And honestly, we are now past the point in time where debates and rallies, all that stuff matters less.
And that's a really bad thing for the country, by the way.
Where now it actually matters of who can scoop up the most amount of ballots and put them in a box.
It's like this massive game.
It's like, let's play a game.
And honestly, the Democrats have been trying to design a set of circumstances for years, trying to make elections more like a game and less like an actual decision of voters.
They have been trying to design a terrain where there's boxes everywhere, and it literally is a 45-day sprint of how many people can you deploy on your payroll to go get favorable ballots into the box.
It's like basically democracy, as they put it, is less about an election.
It's less about the pulse of people's decisions.
And it's much more like this strange, kleptocratic designed game where it's, there's a better word for it than game.
It's like a simulation where they say, just go put as many pieces of paper in the ballot as you possibly can.
Now, that's not to say that every person filling out the ballot doesn't actually believe what they're saying, but they're not convinced about winning voters.
Just look at Katie Hobbs.
Look at John Fetterman.
Look at Joe Biden.
They don't care about what people think of them at all.
They focus on election mechanics.
We focus on rallies and the aesthetic and the messaging and yard signs and whether or not we are firing up our base.
They don't care about any of that.
We care about arguments and being persuasive and how we're branding stuff.
And Democrats basically are like, yeah, we're just going to go put the ballots in a box and we're going to win.
After the COVID election, I should have, I will take, I will acknowledge responsibility for this.
And we should have realized that debates really mean less than ever before.
Arguments mean less than ever before.
It's about the plumbing and the mechanics of an election.
And that's where we are right now.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening.
God bless.
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