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Oct. 15, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Save Arizona, Save America with Mark Finchem and Julie Kelly
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Organic Shift in Behavior 00:11:44
Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, Mark Fincham running for Secretary of State of Arizona joins us.
And who planted the pipe bombs?
Kind of going back through the January 6th issue with Julie Kelly, that and so much more.
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We have said frequently that the left is very interested in the plumbing of our elections.
In fact, they're more interested in how the elections work than sometimes public opinion, candidate selection.
Arizona is a battleground state, and it will remain a battleground state for the foreseeable future until we can get a governor like Kerry Lake to really have bold and conservative leadership and turn this into the Florida of the West like Ron DeSantis has.
But until that happens, this is going to be a very difficult state for either party to dominate in.
Therefore, it's going to be close elections.
And heading into 2024, with close elections, the person who actually administers the elections is going to be incredibly important.
Now, this is seeing things before they happen.
But what if I told you that someone who is an ally of George Soros, someone who is very, very left-wing, someone who is very radical, very well might become the next Secretary of State of Arizona if we do not rise up and unite and get out the vote for Mark Fincham?
And he joins us right now.
Mark, welcome to the program.
How is your race going?
Thank you.
I really appreciate the opportunity, Charlie.
I think the race is going well.
Right now, we're message over money.
You mentioned George Soros and the extreme left opponent, which he actually received a $5,000 check, dollar check from George Soros.
So that's the right line.
But Trafalgar has us at seven points ahead, plus or minus three on the margin of error.
CNN has us at three, plus or minus three.
They're calling it a dead heat.
So I would say that somewhere in the middle lies the truth.
Money-wise, we could always use more money.
He's out spending us 10 to 1.
But again, I come back to message over money.
There's one thing, no matter what, people like disgraced Rusty Bowers or Adrian Fontes or any of the folks who are acting like Democrats registered as Republicans or whatever you want to call them, they're calling me a dangerous man for one reason.
I'm dedicated to one thing.
Mission number one, hold everybody accountable to just follow the law.
Hardstop.
That terrifies them.
Okay, so let's analyze that for a moment.
Why is somebody who actually a whole set of somebodies who say that they want to follow the law and have secure and fair elections, why are they afraid of a guy who's going to do just that?
Well, perhaps it's because they're not following the law and they might be afraid of being caught.
That's the only conclusion I can come to over that.
Yeah, the propaganda campaign against you is remarkable.
They really are spending a lot of money to fear and propagandize, and people can support you at votefincham.com.
And honestly, you're not running a political race.
It's all about obeying and following the rule of law, making sure Arizona has fair and free elections, making sure only eligible voters can vote.
We don't have to overthink this, right?
On your website, it says right here, which is votefincham.com, it says, I will defend Republicans, Democrats, and Independents' sacred right to vote.
This is not complicated.
Why is it?
Why do they have to?
Why do they feel the need to lie so considerably about you?
This isn't even a policy election.
This is this again.
The singular message is: can we just follow the law?
So, and I know you know this, but your viewers might not.
I've been in the Arizona legislature for eight years, a police officer for 21 years, served with Four Intuit, helping their customers for about seven years, trying to prevent fraud with their flagship product QuickBooks.
So, I've got a deep history in this.
My education is all aligned with this.
But what I don't think people think about, the whole purpose of law and having consequences within the law if you don't follow the law, is to set an expectation of behavior, level the playing field.
That's how we have a fair playing field because everybody knows the rules going in.
Now, Adrian Fontes, for example, in 2020 tried to send out 200,000 ballots to people that didn't request them, primarily Democrat voters.
The Supreme Court and even his own party had to intervene to stop him.
Well, what very few people talk about is the fact that each one of those ballots that was printed, $2.50.
So, you do the math.
I mean, you got people, the Maricopa County taxpayer got stiffed for that one.
But, moreover, it was outside of the law.
And I mean, even Lori Roberts, you know how far left that girl is.
She called him out for making up law as he goes.
That's not somebody that you can trust in the executive branch.
In fact, he's made the accusation: well, Fincham's going to do away with mail-in voting.
Okay, so either you are ignorant to the responsibilities of the Secretary of State or you're purposely deceiving people.
First of all, the Secretary of State cannot change law.
That's a legislative prerogative.
The Secretary of State simply follows the law and sees to it that 15 counties follow the law.
So, you know, to your point, this appears to be you can't beat the message.
So, let's just beat up on the messenger.
Yeah, and they're doing it incessantly and really in a terrible way.
And so, Mark, one of the other things that I think you're focusing on is, and this is something the left seems to not care about, is you want people to trust their elections again, right?
Absolutely.
And these vote processing centers, I think, has been a failed experiment.
I would love to go back to precinct by precinct voting.
I mean, you're all about trust, right?
You're about integrity.
That's all that this is about.
And Adrian Fontes, everything that he's pushing forward, you go to his website, would only make people trust elections less.
He's a very aggressive, hyper-partisan person where he wants to have more of this kind of confusion around the structure of how we do voting.
Talk about voting processing centers, and we just have to admit this has been a failed experiment, and let's try something else.
So here's the fallacy of the voting processing center.
You know, they want to hold that up.
And I would even say the county supervisors have a hand in this.
They want to hold that up as it's more convenient.
Okay, well, no, not really.
It's more convenient for particularly the elderly in many of the areas in Phoenix.
It'd be more convenient for them to go to a local polling place that is in their precinct.
Huh, here's a novel idea.
Gosh, that was like 10, 15, 20 years ago.
Now all of a sudden we have voting processing centers that are allegedly more convenient.
Well, more convenient for whom?
The government.
Okay, so elections belong to the people.
They don't belong to the government.
Let's get back to, I don't know, here's a novel idea, customer service.
Yeah, seriously, that's exactly right.
21 years a DTS officer.
That is, people don't think about it this way, but that is a customer service job.
As a law enforcement officer, most of the time you are meeting people on the worst day of their life.
They're hoping that there is somebody behind that badge that cares about them, that is there to help them, that is there to marshal resources.
And Mark, you know, not to interrupt, but like, look at what's happening.
I mean, they ran out of Republican ballots in Pinal.
Is it Pinal or Pima?
Pinnell County.
Yeah, so in Pinal, which is a red county, if I'm not mistaken, I'm still learning my counties here in Arizona because I'm new here.
That's not acceptable, right?
I mean, you can't put up with that.
And that's poor customer service.
That's exactly right.
Yes.
They knew going in that they didn't have enough ballots.
Now, here's something that compounded the problem.
We have a record number of people who have abandoned the idea of mail-in ballots and they are going to the polls.
We are seeing an organic shift in behavior.
And that goes back to your original question, Charlie.
When you have a voting center that doesn't open on time and turns people away, 62 of them under Adrian Fontes, when he was in charge of the Maricopa County elections, they didn't open on time.
And that disenfranchised voters because they were turned away and couldn't come back.
They had to go to work.
Well, and it's votefincham.com.
Help out, Mark.
He's a great guy.
It's all about trust and integrity.
I'm telling you, this is not a political office he's running for.
It is about trust.
It's about voting.
It's about consent to the governed.
But Fontes is the designer of a lot of the chaos we've been seeing.
And now he wants to bring that havoc statewide.
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Secure Election Day Voting 00:03:47
So, Mark, there's been so many problems with just the process of Arizona elections.
And it really troubles me because I talk to regular everyday people and they just pepper me with questions.
I'm sure you get it all the time.
How should I vote?
Should I vote in person?
I mean, let's just start with one thing.
Why is it that it takes a week for us to get Arizona election results?
How is this possible?
Why are we putting up with this?
Well, part of it, Charlie, is an unintended outcome of the mail-in voting system.
So, for example, we've got three different ways basically to vote.
Early ballots went in the mail two days ago.
So, individuals can fill that out and mail it in, or they can fill it out, hold it, and bring it to the polls, which is counted last now, right?
That's the last thing.
That's exactly right.
Who came up with that idea, though?
That's a legislative animal that needs fixed.
All right, fair enough.
That's the third way is for people to go in in person.
Now, if we want to accelerate that, and this seems kind of silly, but it is what it is.
You can spoil your mail-in ballot at the polls, turn it over in exchange for a poll ballot that can be counted.
Now, that is not a customer service process.
It's not friendly to the system.
It's what many of us in the Six Sigma world would call a serious defect because it slows down the process.
Now, in the hierarchy of ballots, the ones that are mailed in are counted first.
That's usually the early voting that comes out at 8:20 in the evening on election night.
Then, the next tranche of ballots that are counted is those that are voted on election day.
That's usually an update if everything's working properly, somewhere between 9:30, 10 o'clock, 10:15.
Then, they start counting all of the mail-in ballots that were delivered to the polls, and that is the source of the delay.
So, my recommendation, quite frankly, if you want the most secure system, those of you choose to get off of the early voting system and go to the polls on election day.
Now, there's going to be some things that the legislature is going to have to fix in the next session.
Some of those things deal with the process.
But if anybody tells you that I am against a mail-in voting, they're misrepresenting my position.
I support absentee ballots.
I would even support expanding the list of reasons for an absentee ballot.
But the key feature of that is something that we see in Tennessee, which still has, by the way, an absentee ballot system.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's an opt-in system as opposed to being put on a list and receiving a ballot in perpetuity.
Now, here's the problem with that: what if you move and you don't tell the state, the county that you've moved?
We now have, according to Matt Brainerd and some of the folks that have been looking at the NCOA, which is the national database that the Postal Service keeps, 55,000 people have moved out of the state of Arizona and filed a permanent change of address.
Those individuals are still on voter rolls.
So, if you want to clean up the voter rolls, perhaps the fastest way to do that is go back to an opt-in system where you can either call, write, or go online to order your absentee ballot.
Now, that's not something that's in law right now.
That is something that the legislature will have to contemplate and debate and have a discussion over maybe the next session or the session after that.
80% of Arizonans support mail-in voting.
Okay, so how do we make that system more transparent and more secure?
That's going to be a legislative issue.
Yeah, well, hopefully, with your leadership, we'll do it clearly and ethically and restore people's trust in our elections.
Safe Firearm Training Tools 00:02:30
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Thanks so much.
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Missing January 6th Video 00:12:00
As we mentioned yesterday, the Democrats wrapping up case the New York Times says, January 6th panel plans a Trump subpoena.
Actually, I got to be fat.
I got to always be precise here.
Technically, Liz Jane is not a Democrat.
Let's just say the left.
And I got a lot of questions.
And to help us unpack it is someone who has done pioneer work here, very courageous, Julie Kelly.
She's been on top of it.
She joins us right now, all things January 6th.
Julie, welcome back to the program.
Hey, Charlie, thanks for having me on.
So, Julie, I'm going to play a piece of tape here.
But before I do, can you answer the question?
Because I'm really curious: why did Nancy Pelosi have a documentary team with her on January 6th?
And why are we just learning about it now?
You know, I think this video, the Nancy Pelosi insurrection movie, has backfired on the Democrats.
To your point, Charlie, why are we just seeing this on the last day during the last January 6th committee hearing?
Why didn't they show this early on?
You know why, Charlie?
Because Benny Thompson, the chairman of this committee, said when this committee was formed that Nancy Pelosi's office would be off limits to the committee.
They did not investigate her role in the lack of security of the Capitol that day.
It is her responsibility, not Donald Trump, to make sure that the building and the grounds were secure.
They were intentionally left vulnerable.
We still don't know why.
So, yes, why was Nancy Pelosi's daughter Alexandra and her son-in-law, another filmmaker, on Capitol Grounds?
Why was she recording her starting at nine o'clock in the morning throughout the day, including following her to a secure location at Fort McNair with all of these elected officials there?
So the video, the footage that we saw yesterday and last night on CNN raises a lot more questions than it answers about January 6th.
Yes, I want to play the tape here.
It's very bizarre.
And by the way, they accuse the right of being domestic violent extremists.
This is a very violent quote from Nancy Pelosi about how I'm going to go to jail for punching him for trespassing on the Capitol grounds.
Like, I just, I just, you got to, you got to just wonder if, you know, Speaker XYZ for the Republican side said that about Joe Biden or Barack Obama.
I mean, imagine if there was a video of Speaker Paul Ryan saying, I'm going to punch Barack Obama if he came up like, hold on a second.
What?
All right, play cut 88.
I'm going to punch him out.
That's why I'm going to pay the seed.
I'm waiting for this.
They're trespassing on the Capitol Games.
I'm going to punch him out and I'm going to go to jail.
He wouldn't be happy.
So at what time of day was this when she said this?
Charlie, that's a good question.
I'm trying to nail that down because the joint session started at one o'clock that day.
He seemed to be already speaking.
Trump was continuing to speak when she said that.
So I'm guessing that this was a little before one o'clock, maybe quarter to one.
But Charlie, what I noted on Twitter is how did her chief of staff know before Donald Trump knew that the Secret Service would not be taking him to the Capitol?
That's another question that needs to be answered.
You know, the committee said that they have all of these documents from the Secret Service.
We know that text messages dating all the way back to November of 2020 of top Secret Service officials have been deleted from their cell phones.
So if you're looking at this, Charlie, like an inside job that January 6th was a massive stunt, a massive entrapment operation to draw these Trump supporters there, create an insurrection that Alexandra Pelosi could record every minute of, and she's still producing her documentary, by the way.
You know, why can't we see Nancy Pelosi's records?
Why can't we see all the Secret Service records?
But for her to stand there and say that and accuse the president that he was going to trespass on Capitol grounds, it's a public building.
It's public grounds.
He's the president.
But it was a little foreshadowing, Charlie, because of course, as you know, hundreds of Americans have been charged with trespassing misdemeanors related to being on the grounds or inside the building that day.
There just seemed to be too much foreknowledge on Nancy Pelosi's part and others that we saw in that footage about not what was just going to happen that day, but what was going to happen afterwards.
And of course, Charlie, it must be said, Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, the Democrats and establishment Republicans got what they wanted on January 6th.
They did not want 12 hours of debate about election fraud in these six contested states.
They did not want a vote on a 10-day election commission, emergency election commission.
They wanted that shut down.
And it just so happens, Charlie, that the breach of the Capitol resulted in Pelosi, McConnell, and the Biden regime getting exactly what they wanted.
Because of course, that process was entirely shut down after they resumed the joint session.
I just really wonder what they knew before that.
And I agree, a mass entrapment operation sounds to be very likely.
And I mean, so Julie, who planted the pipe bombs?
The what, Charlie?
Yeah, we've forgotten about the pipe bombs.
Yeah, the potential.
I mean, just so everyone understands the potential Oklahoma City-style mass carnage event at both the RNC and the DNC.
Right.
Has anyone been arrested for that?
No one has been arrested.
No one has been identified.
This has been completely been memory hold, not just by the committee, but by DOJ and the FBI.
You remember, Charlie, early on, this was the event.
This was the emergency that set off the first wave of panic that day that prompted the evacuation of adjacent house buildings.
So this really was sort of the tip of the spear in terms of January 6th.
And you had Stephen D'Antoano, the newly promoted head of the FBI Washington Field Office, who said they were going to, you know, open up this investigation.
They offered a $100,000 reward for the identity of the pipe bomber.
Not only has that person not been identified or charged, we later learned, Charlie, that Kamala Harris was at the DNC headquarters that day when the breach happened, when the pipe bombs allegedly were found.
Now, so you had a sitting U.S. senator, incoming vice president, who was at the headquarters.
Her Secret Service detail missed the pipe bomb sitting right outside.
Amazing.
And they still haven't found the person.
I mean, come on, none of this adds up, as you know.
I mean, yeah, if you take the premise that January 6th was this, you know, really violent and awful event, then I'm just curious, like, okay, fine.
I mean, we can talk about denouncing violence.
We've done that, obviously, and we'll continue to do that.
I'm just really curious who wanted to, who was Timothy McVeigh that day, right?
And that's a big deal.
I mean, you're going to plant bombs at the RNC and DNC.
That's unacceptable.
Dozens, if not hundreds of people could have died.
I mean, I don't know the explosive capacity there.
That's really serious.
I just, it's so obvious that there's something wrong with this.
And I mean, so here on our sand is that they can pinpoint some grandma that waved the flag and was nonviolent, and then she has to go to jail using cell phone technology that was really used in 2000 Mules as well, cell phone ping technology.
But we can't use the pings to find the person who put the pipe bomb.
And let's also just be very clear: putting a pipe bomb at a political headquarters is an act of terrorism.
That's right.
This is not just, what's the word I'm looking for?
It's not just vandalism or arson.
This is a you for political purposes under the U.S. Criminal Code, if I'm not mistaken, that's domestic terrorism.
And I just don't think anyone seems to care.
Well, Darren Beatty at Revolver.news has done spectacular investigative work into the pipe bomb situation and missing video that even the FBI, when they released this video, slices of it that are missing.
But to your point, Charlie, this could be a potentially catastrophic event.
And the FBI said and confirmed that these were viable devices.
This is what they have said repeatedly.
This wasn't, you know, some clown who threw together a couple of items to make it look like a bomb.
According to the FBI, these were legitimate devices that they later detonated somewhere on January 6th.
They said that they would issue a report into the investigation.
No update.
No one is asking Chris Ray or Stephen D'Antoano for an update.
And certainly the January 6th committee yesterday, when they were going through the timeline of January 6th and when Trump didn't tweet or when this person said this, they completely overlooked the timeline that included the discovery of these pipe bombs at those two locations.
Yeah, it's just incredible.
Remind our audience about your book.
And also, what is the status of political prisoners still in Washington, D.C. in pre-trial detention?
Are there still people in pre-trial detention?
There are, Charlie.
And you know what?
Three of them are oath keepers who have been in the D.C. Gulag since the spring of 2021.
You know, it's possible.
I don't.
And they're not accused of any violent crime, Charlie.
What are they accusing?
Seditious conspiracy.
That's what they were charged with.
Their original charge was.
But they haven't been tried yet.
How is it?
They're on trial now.
Three of them are.
They're on trial now.
Jeez.
But they're oath keepers, Charlie.
And the committee yesterday brought up two of the defendants' names, two men who are on trial.
The January 6th committee showed their faces, showed, we heard audio of one of the defendants who's been in this gulag since February 2021.
They're in a D.C. courthouse fighting for their lives after being incarcerated for now 20 months.
And you've got these clowns on the January 6th committee completely breaching any decorum related to ongoing legal proceedings, talking about these defendants while it's broadcast on every single network and cable news show.
This is just such a travesty, Charlie.
And thank you for covering my work.
I talk, of course, about this in my book, January 6th, How the Democrats Use the Capitol Protest to Launch a War on Terror Against the Political Right.
Also, you can find my work at amgreatness.com, and I cover a lot of these hearings and things live, as you know, Charlie, on Twitter at Julie underscore Kelly2.
Yeah, and this is so important.
So they're rating all these pro-life leaders.
And where did all this start?
They laid the foundation.
They laid the framework with January 6th and the response to January 6th.
And I just, I really think a winning argument for us is the pipe bombs.
In a sense, the winning argument is: okay, we take your precedent.
I mean, I'm just curious, has any of the January 6th committee, did they have any discussion on the pipe bombs that we know of?
To my knowledge, Charlie, it's never been mentioned.
And I'll be curious to see if it's in their report that has now been delayed twice.
It was supposed to be released in September.
Yeah, what do you make of that?
Why didn't they release it before the election?
I don't know.
It's probably, I would assume, not complete.
They don't want exculpatory evidence sitting out there.
I think they're still working with DOJ to turn over a lot of these witness transcripts, which means, Charlie, they will never see the light of day because they will be part of this criminal investigation.
So this report won't be released now until November 29th.
Incredible.
Julie Kelly, thank you so much.
Thanks, Charlie.
Hey, everybody.
Charlie Kirk here.
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Okay, I want to get to a piece of tape here.
There is something brewing in Virginia right now.
Virginia Democrat launches bill to prosecute parents who do not affirm their children's identity.
The Democrat delegate in the House of Delegates in Virginia is launching a bill that will prosecute you, the parents, if you do not affirm your 11-year-old's gender dysphoria or just confusion or questions.
This is one of the great violations of parental rights you could possibly ever cook up or imagine.
Democrat Virginia lawmaker has announced, what is this Virginia lawmaker's name?
Ah, Elizabeth Guzman, Elizabeth Guzman or Guzman, probably Guzman, Virginia delegate for the Virginia House of Delegates, a Peruvian-American politician.
You want to know why?
You want to know Hispanics, why Hispanics are not happy with their Hispanic Democrat leaders?
Because they're represented by people like Elizabeth Guzman, a Peruvian-American politician and social worker who wants to criminalize parents for loving their kids, saying, you know what, I don't think it's necessarily a good thing that you want to chop off your parts and remove your breasts.
WJLA from Virginia, Virginia parents could face abuse charges for not affirming their LGBTQ child under new bill.
This is extraordinary.
The Democrat delegates bill would expand the state's definition of a child abuse and neglect to include parents not affirming their children's gender identity.
Okay, let's play Cut 103.
Democratic Virginia delegate Elizabeth Guzman is a social worker and she's planning on reintroducing a bill in Richmond that she says would help protect LGBTQ children from their parents and guardians who may not be affirming of their child's sexual orientation and gender identity.
This is how we're going to push back.
Her bill would expand the state's definition of child abuse and neglect to include parents who do not affirm their child's gender identity or sexual orientation.
You know what I want to see?
I want to see Elizabeth Guzman at a town hall with 100 Hispanic parents.
And I want to see her in real time make the case for this bill.
I want to see Elizabeth Guzman in front of Latino working class people that love their children.
And yes, she is an elected official.
She's a delegate.
I want to see her persuade her constituents that this is a good idea.
I would love to see that.
By the way, we shouldn't just reject this bill.
We should be passing our own laws in red states.
Ban child mutilation, period.
If a court blocks that, then radically increase legal damages if somebody regrets transitioning.
Bankrupt the mutilators that call themselves doctors.
You know, we used to have lobotomies in our country, and we realized that was a bad idea.
Surgical intervention into a human being is not always a good thing.
Glenn Young has been surprisingly good on some of this stuff.
I mean that because he seemed like a typical kind of Mitt Romney type at some points.
He's been very good.
He understands his mandate.
He's doing the right thing here.
Play cut 102.
These same progressives in Fairfax County actually believe that they should lock parents out of their children's lives.
They think that parents have no right to know what your child is discussing with their teacher or their counselor.
And Glenn Young is doing the right thing to stand up against this.
Now, this woman, Elizabeth Guzman, wants to potentially put parents and children.
I'm sorry, parents and children, put parents in prison if they say to their child who's 13, yeah, let's maybe talk to a counselor or a pastor if you think you're a woman or a man because of some grooming government official.
By the way, there's something really interesting happening in Michigan with both Muslim and Christian parents speaking out against the sexualization of children in Dearborn public schools.
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I'm telling you, this must be something so exciting.
The only good thing about importing people from the third world is they're not on board with white woke, white woke values of Harvard.
You got to play Cut 106.
The fundamental existence of school is not to learn about sexual pleasure, to not to learn about new sex acts.
The fundamental purpose of school is to prepare our kids to be successful adults who can go off and have careers.
And it is up to every parent to then teach their kids morality.
It is out of the place for the school to do it.
And I reject any notion that parents here are filled with hate or bigotry.
The parents don't want their kids sexualized.
I'm telling you, you're about to see something very big in early November.
The Parents' Party is growing.
And the ever angry minority of the white woke liberals, they're on the ropes.
Forward.
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