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April 30, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show

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Public Nudity, Fentanyl, and the Queer Agenda—LIVE from On Campus at C.U. Boulder

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Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show 00:02:22
	Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk show my conversation from Boulder, Colorado.
	Met with some disagreement and opposition and antagonism.
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	Buckle up.
	Here we go.
	Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
	Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
	I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
	Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
	I want to thank Charlie.
	He's an incredible guy.
	His spirit, his love of this country.
	He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
	We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
	That's why we are here.
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	Welcome.
	Thanks for being here.
	And it's great to be in Colorado.
	And it took you like 10 seconds, man.
	Jeez.
	I didn't even say hello yet.
	At least make your heckling like decipherable.
	What did you say?
	Okay.
	Great to be here.
	And there will be an opportunity to ask a question.
	That's a new record, I have to say.
	It's like seven seconds.
	They don't even let me get up on stage anymore.
	It's amazing.
	I wish we would have had a chance to talk, but speech is not a left-wing value.
	It isn't, unfortunately.
	So if anyone has any disagreements, there will be an opportunity to be able to voice them uninterrupted at some point.
	But we're going to take the first 20 or 30 minutes to make sure you know a little bit of what I believe, why I believe what I believe.
	First of all, thank you to our Turning Point USA chapter for putting this on.
	God bless you guys.
	You're doing such an amazing job.
Why I Believe What I Believe 00:15:53
	And considering some of the nonsense you have to put up with that.
	But I do want to thank this university for allowing this event to happen.
	I don't make a habit out of thanking universities, but C Boulder deserves credit.
	And thanks and gratitude for allowing this event to happen.
	So thank you.
	I bash universities a lot and they had a lot of reasons to try to pull the cord.
	So thank you.
	We deeply appreciate that.
	My friend Victor Marks is here somewhere.
	Where's Victor?
	Victor's around here somewhere.
	He's got an amazing dog around.
	There he is.
	He's got Victor's back there, native Colorado.
	And I'm telling you, that guy, he does amazing work rescuing children who are being sex trafficked all around the world.
	Victor is a great hero.
	He does an amazing job.
	So might as well get into the controversial stuff that gets people so fired up.
	What is with this all-gender bathroom stuff?
	Like, what on earth is that all about?
	I mean, I live in Arizona.
	We don't have that, obviously.
	And so, you know, it's you go in there and it's like boys and girls both in the same restroom.
	I got thinking to myself, how did this happen?
	And it happened for a couple reasons.
	One of the reasons is that, so we reconfigure society altogether to try to accommodate and pander to a hyper-vocal minority that itself will never actually be happy, regardless of how many kind of changes we make for the alphabet mafia.
	It's never going to be enough, right?
	So bathrooms, pronouns, whatever.
	But then it's like, no, actually, now we have to teach your four-year-old all about whether or not they need to transition or not.
	And that's a really good lesson for life, I think, right?
	Which is just because you think you're going to pander to a certain force doesn't necessarily mean the issue is going to go away altogether.
	And I just, I look at that example, and it could be a silly example.
	I remember when the whole bathroom thing was going on, people said, you know, what difference does it make?
	It's not that big of a deal.
	And it does make a big deal, quite honestly, for the safety of women, which always used to kind of be an argument of feminism, right?
	Which is feminism was always that we don't want to be exploited by men.
	We believe men and women are different.
	I look back and I say, boy, I kind of agree with a lot of the main tenets of like 1960s and 1970s feminism.
	I think a lot of like putting your career over family is a bunch of nonsense, but like believing that men and women have fundamental biological differences, like I can sign up for that.
	But kind of blending it all together in this kind of gender-fluid nonsense, it's not just bad for society, it's bad for women.
	But of course, we can't define what a woman is anymore, including Katanji Brown Jackson, who's now going to be on the U.S. Supreme Court, asked a very simple question: What is a woman?
	And she said, I'm not a biologist.
	And so therefore, I'm not able to answer it.
	So, look, I'm not a veterinarian.
	I know a dog when I see one.
	I'm not a weatherman.
	I know when it's raining.
	I know a woman when I see one as well.
	You don't need to be a biologist to be able to decipher some very simple biological truths.
	But it goes to this question, which is: so, you can have your own opinions on the trans issue.
	We could talk about that all you want.
	You can ask me anything you want about that.
	But the question, the real question is: do you reconfigure society based on your hyper-radical minority opinion?
	That's a separate question, right?
	So, your own opinions aside, do you then start to change actually the way society is structured because you think it's actually going to accommodate people?
	And the answer should probably be: well, it depends on what your goal is and what your outcome is.
	And going into all gender restroom, I don't really know what the goal of that is.
	I don't know how that makes anyone safer or happier, except people were tired of being screamed at in the legislature and they're like, okay, fine, I'll sign a bill.
	And then they move on to the next issue.
	That's the only thing I could possibly think of.
	It doesn't make anybody happier or healthier.
	It doesn't make America a freer country.
	And it certainly is not something that I want to dedicate like our entire tour to.
	We have serious problems in our country.
	I'm not saying that's not a problem, but our borders wide open, inflation's double digits.
	We'll talk about that tonight.
	And so it's tempting not to want to talk about these issues, right?
	Like, oh, Charlie, why do you spend so much time on the trans issue?
	And I wish I wouldn't, honestly.
	I wish I didn't have to, I should say.
	But then I got to thinking: if we can't define what a man or a woman is, how could we ever answer the more complicated questions in society?
	And this is one of my big arguments of why we shouldn't send U.S. troops to Ukraine, which is if we can't even get 90% agreement on like the most fundamental issues, how are we going to actually get into the more complicated things, such as combat of war, theaters of war, things of that nature?
	And so these conversations are super important.
	And it's a very interesting dynamic because 99% of Americans believe men cannot become pregnant, right?
	That's 99% of Americans.
	And if it makes you chuckle, it should, right?
	But unfortunately, that's Apple, the company Apple, they come out with a pregnant man emoji, right?
	They say, we don't take us, it's birthing people according to the White House, which, of course, is patently insane.
	And so, but 99% of people are also afraid to talk about it, right?
	So it's an issue that most people say, yes, I think this is crazy.
	I know that men and women have biological differences.
	I know it's wrong when a swimmer, you know, just instantly transitions from a man to a woman, is the 462nd best swimmer, then becomes an NCAA champion.
	I know there's something wrong with that.
	But it gets to kind of why it's happening.
	And it's happening because the power of intimidation is the most powerful political weapon right now in America.
	Is that people are afraid of losing their jobs?
	I get it.
	You're afraid of getting kicked out of school.
	I get it.
	You're afraid of being kicked out of fraternities or sororities.
	I get it.
	I understand all of that.
	I would argue that contesting and fighting for the truth is more important than those things, but you make your own decision, obviously.
	But they've basically wired society where if you violate one of these ever-changing rules, by the way, you're going to lose something that actually you might respect.
	And so you have this situation.
	And I know a lot of you are living under this right now.
	A lot of you, right?
	I mean, we just had a meeting before, and I won't say who I said this to.
	She's probably super nervous because she could get kicked out of school if I dare said who I met with, right?
	Is that she said to me, yeah, there's like this secret group of conservatives in our school that we're in here.
	I won't say what school I don't want to, you know, out that person because it's your own decision.
	You make whatever you want.
	Kind of feels like homosexuality in the 1970s, by the way.
	It sounds like super similar, right?
	Like coming out of the closet.
	I've said for a long time, I come under huge criticism that it's much harder to be conservative in America than to be gay in America right now.
	It's not even close.
	There's a lot of similarities.
	People get so angry when I say that, but it's true.
	Okay.
	One of them, you have an entire month, one of them gets you fired from jobs and picked out of school.
	Okay.
	So which one's easier?
	And so it's, I know a lot of you tonight come to these events and you're like, wow, I'm not the only person that thinks this way, right?
	And I know there's some good professors here at CU Boulder, more bad ones than good ones, from what I can understand.
	But it's an important moment.
	And I believe this, and I have so much respect for Joe Rogan.
	I don't agree with him on everything.
	Obviously, you know, the unrestricted drug use, I'm not a big fan of.
	But I have to say, Joe Rogan has had more courage than most people that call themselves conservatives over the last couple of years.
	And Joe Rogan, what he's done, and I think a lot of you and a lot of young people in particular are now kind of part of this Joe Rogan political kind of moment where it's like, okay, I'm not a conservative.
	I might be a libertarian.
	I'm not libertarian in a lot of things, but that's fine.
	But I don't like the woke stuff.
	Don't tell me how to live my life and don't lie to me.
	And, you know, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, right?
	Like, don't do that.
	And to like Joe Rogan and Elon Musk's credit, I think that there's this huge opportunity with young people in particular to try and communicate values that we would call conservative values rooted in free markets or private property rights or constitutional constitutional government that has now just been kind of characterized as like radical right-wing ideas.
	And one of the most obvious ones, there was this huge study that came out from the National Bureau of Economic Research, is something that impacts all of you, which is our insane response to the virus over the last couple of years.
	Now, this is something that drives me nuts, right?
	And I'm sure CU Boulder participated in this, which is how we describe what happened the last couple of years, right?
	So we can get into Chinese aspects of it and all that and how China's gotten away with it.
	We could talk about that.
	But more importantly, we say, well, the virus is the reason why unemployment went up or the virus.
	No, it was our reaction to the virus.
	Two totally different things.
	Virus, reaction to the virus.
	And what we saw at certain states, anyone from New Jersey or Illinois or California?
	Probably a lot of Californians in here.
	No, not so much.
	Okay, couple.
	That certain states decide, they made decisions, right, where they said that they were going to lock down the entire society, mask children, force vaccines on people.
	And Colorado was bad with lockdowns.
	You guys weren't the worst.
	I'll just be very honest.
	You were not the worst.
	You're rated right in the middle.
	I think it was way too draconian at times, especially with the vaccine mandates.
	I'll get to that in a second because I know it's impacting some of our turning point USA chapter leaders here.
	But all things being equal, all things being said, over the last couple of years, your life has been significantly impacted.
	Those here, they're 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, by public health officials that were never elected, that were never voted for, that were largely unknown before.
	And then a couple of years later, everything costs three times as much.
	The society is completely and totally different, right?
	And so I think, and I hope and I pray that the unintended consequence of our reaction to this virus can be hopefully millions of young people say, wait a second, like California, New York, New Jersey, Illinois were the worst performing states.
	If you combine a blended number, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, of lockdowns, jobs, death rates, virus transmission rates, and child educational outputs.
	You can look at the study yourself, National Bureau of Economic Research, no political bias whatsoever.
	And the top 10 best performing states are states like Utah, Florida, South Dakota, Nebraska.
	Do you see kind of a commonality there?
	One that believes that in this entire idea that men can become pregnant, and one that believes that businesses can become open.
	And this is become open and you can flourish.
	And this is, I think, the decision for our generation and something that we can explain, which is, do you apply the insane and quite honestly, easily disproven theory and ideology you're taught in college to the rest of the world?
	Or do you actually believe you're lying on us?
	And that is the moment that's happening right now in America where it's like, wait a second, I just watched the Super Bowl and Gavin Newsome and Matt Damon, they don't have to wear masks, but the kids in schools have to wear masks in California.
	Or it's like, you know, you can march in the George Floyd parade, but you have to stay at home locked down with everything else.
	And it's this inherent contradiction in a lot of these things.
	We call it wokeism.
	That's a good filler word for it, right?
	And I believe firmly that a lot of younger people, they still want a part of their American dream.
	They do.
	And they feel as if they've been lied to and intentionally misled by these group of people in charge, which is why I think Joe Rogan resonates so much and Elon Musk resonates so much.
	And so it really kind of goes to this question, which is what is the path forward that young people are going to choose?
	We can talk politically if you want, but more importantly, it's like, what set of circumstances are you going to apply to your or set of principles you'll apply to your life to hopefully improve the conditions around you?
	And so first I'll talk to the adults kind of 50 plus and then I'll talk to everybody else.
	Students have been scammed the last couple of years.
	They have.
	It's been a raw deal and it needs to be said out loud and needs to be repeated.
	I'm not blaming every person over 50.
	That would be inappropriate, obviously.
	But never before has a generation been so impacted for no good reason.
	There's no good reason to do what we did to young people.
	Zero whatsoever.
	There is no good reason.
	And yet, whether it be IQ development stunted, whether it be job openings that were thwarted, whether it be just the simple principle of can an average 28 something afford a home.
	Young people now are being priced out of the housing markets in ways we have never seen before.
	Rent in Phoenix, Arizona, I guarantee you it's very similar in Denver, right?
	Very similar.
	They're going up by six or $700, $800 a month.
	And based on what I've heard, it's very similar in Denver.
	And so we're creating a nation of renters, people that don't own stuff, which is less likely for a person to be conservative.
	The longer you rent, the more likely you are to be a left-winger.
	It's just true.
	Think about it.
	When you own something, you care about property values going up.
	It's the tragedy of the commons.
	When you're renting something, you don't feel the skin in the game.
	The left talks about equity.
	The equity I want to talk about is how can we make young people own homes easier?
	It's a very important thing, and it's going down dramatically.
	And so we shut down the country, we print $8 trillion of new money, we inject it into the economy, we lock everybody down, and specifically, and in a really cruel way, we lock down the portion of the population, the young people in this audience, that were not at any sort of significant risk from having a severe time or dying from this virus.
	And so you look at this entire thing, you say, wait a second, this is generational theft.
	This is the older generation that went and made a deliberate decision.
	And I'm not blaming all the, I got these emails.
	Oh my goodness.
	Charlie, we've never done anything wrong.
	Young people have to work harder and all that.
	Okay, I get it.
	There's some lazy young people out there.
	But news flash, most young people aren't lazy, actually.
	They're not.
	They're just trying to figure out how to make their way in this world and not say something wrong that could get them fired.
	How are they supposed to manage their $100,000 in student loan debt?
	What are they supposed to do with this completely senseless degree that they were told to get?
	And then what job are they supposed to find with that degree?
	There's a lot of different circumstances for a college graduate today than there were in 1985.
	It's just a fact.
	And so the question is: what do younger voters then start to demand, or what do younger people start to demand?
	They have two choices, right?
	So the left, my speech would be super easy if I was on the left tonight, right?
	But it would be untrue.
	I'd be lying to you.
	It'd be, okay, all these bad things happened to you.
	Therefore, give me political power and I'm going to forgive your student loan debt.
	I'll give you stuff for free and everything will be fine, right?
	Now, why is first of all, I don't think there's any dignity in that.
	I actually think it creates unhappy people to get stuff for free over a long period of time.
	I think it actually deteriorates the individual capacity to flourish.
	You know this.
	You know, someone that gets everything for nothing.
	They're some of the most miserable people in the world.
	I think earned success is a moral good for a society.
	We have to make it easier for young people to be able to have earned success.
	However, I don't think, and this is the other side of the coin, I don't think it's helpful just to kind of condescendingly tell students and young people, like, I worked hard my way through college, so should you, and just figure it out.
	Pull yourself up by the bootstraps.
	There can be an element to that.
	I'll talk to some, I'll talk to the students directly in a second, but it would be unfair.
	It's just the numbers just don't add up, by the way.
	If you look at how much it costs to get through four years at CU Boulder here versus how much it would have cost adjusted for inflation 35 years ago, it's like quadrupled minimum, not to mention room and board, not to mention the other costs associated.
	And the college degree is actually worth less.
	It's not worthless, but you could argue that.
	It's actually worth less than it was 35 to 40 years ago.
	And so you have a generation that I think it's a combustible engine.
	I think it's about to take off.
	Go either way, that's about to come out and say, and they're just waiting for the political leader to say it, I've done everything you've told me to do for the last decade, and I'm poorer than my parents.
	I'm way more unhappy.
	It's the most depressed, alcohol-addicted, drug-addicted, anxious generation, suicidal generation in history.
	And the question would be like, why am I going to keep on just giving political power to the people that say I just have to work harder?
	Okay, so working harder is good.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But the three things that we as conservatives should have a very meaningful conversation about is the three conservatizing events, right?
	We have to make it easier to do these three things.
	And restricting government spending in a very serious way and bringing down inflation can help all these three things happen, right?
	Because inflation affects everybody in this room.
	We'll talk about it.
	It's not a sexy topic, but it's something that's super important, especially if you drive, right?
Inflation and Radical Politics 00:11:50
	It costs like $900 to drive from Colorado Springs to Boulder now, right?
	Or whatever, probably $150.
	And that's somewhat of an exaggeration, depending on what you drive, which is we need to make it easier to buy homes and buy property.
	We want young people to have skin in the game.
	Here's a rule for life.
	People that own property don't burn down Wendy's.
	Okay?
	When you own stuff, you don't want to see the society burn.
	You got to keep getting a job, right?
	Owning things is a moral good.
	So if I asked some of the 50-plus people in this audience, you guys have, a lot of you have gotten double or triple, at least double wealthier as far as the proportion of your real estate value over the last couple of years because you print all this money, right?
	And so big beneficiaries, right?
	I'm a homeowner, actually, got a mortgage in 2018.
	Pretty good decision, right?
	It's gone up double in value.
	But what about the recent college grad who's like, wait a second, like real wages are not keeping up with inflation.
	How am I supposed to even make the down payment, let alone the mortgage payment?
	That creates cynicism, okay?
	Very quickly, that'll be translated into very radical left-wing politics, like very radical, where I'm talking like people are going to be saying outwardly, let's confiscate all the property from the baby boomers and give it to Gen X or Gen Z and millennials.
	Now, I don't support that, but you can see there's a single person who's enthusiastic about that.
	But I'm trying to warn you, especially if you care about like de-radicalizing American politics, which you should all care about, right?
	You have not seen legit Marxism.
	Well, we sort of have, but like communicated in the way that it happens in other countries where that sort of reverse redistribution message will be very, very compelling to a 30-year-old who did everything they were told to do.
	I took the AP classes.
	I took the honors classes.
	I didn't totally screw up in high school.
	I went to CU Boulder.
	I had the job.
	I studied what I was supposed to study.
	Like, I got a degree in North African lesbian poetry.
	I can't find.
	I can't find a job, right?
	I'm renting.
	I'm still $120,000 in debt.
	I demand a refund.
	Now, how do you prevent against that?
	You need to transition as many of the people as possible that were sold that lie.
	And it was, by the way, the other rules they had to follow, stay at home, don't leave your home, wear a mask, get the vaccine, all this sort of stuff, right?
	Rules, rules, rules, rules.
	And they followed it.
	That's what's so interesting.
	I call it like the rule-following generation.
	Every time a decree came forward, okay, I'll go to college.
	Okay, I'll get the degree.
	Okay, I'll take the honors classes.
	Okay, I'll do this.
	I'll stay at home.
	I'll help stop the spread.
	And then they enter into a world.
	They're like, wow, everything's super expensive and really depressing and mean.
	And there's 110,000 people dying from drug overdoses.
	That's a problem.
	And that's a problem that transcends politics, by the way.
	But what's going to happen, because the left is really good at this, they're political predators, they are, they're going to come in and capture this suffering and promise things they can't deliver and try to weaponize it towards a very radical thing.
	So what's the other two things we should argue for?
	And this is something that I think is having a revival in this country in a good way.
	You might not see it yet, which is we need to make it easier to buy property and own property, get married, and then have children.
	Those three things we need to make it easier for.
	Now, getting married.
	Yeah, we can get into why I'm a big fan of getting married.
	I'm married myself.
	All young people should get married young and have lots of children.
	Reject hookup culture and all this garbage they teach you on college campuses.
	It'll make you a miserable person and potentially could create liabilities for the rest of your life.
	So take that for whatever it's worth.
	It might not resonate with you, but you'll be happier.
	Your soul will be settled if you find a soulmate and you do life with that person.
	So, however, with that being said, marriage rates are now going down dramatically.
	I think because we have hyper-feminized the men and we have created women to be hyper-masculine.
	So we have super angry, you know, 33-year-old women that have corporate success and they can't, they're like, where's all the men?
	Well, they're playing video games, right?
	Like that's what they're doing, right?
	Nothing against that.
	I'm all for that, whatever, sure.
	Not exactly the way to make a society flourish.
	Population rates are going down dramatically right now.
	We're on the verge of a population collapse.
	Fact.
	We are having less babies than ever before per capita.
	And this is what the most amazing thing is.
	If you kind of look, you're like, wow, you're going to have 330 million people locked up, you know, during a pandemic.
	Birth rates are going to skyrocket.
	The opposite happened.
	They went down, which goes to show people are choosing using technology, birth control, not to have children.
	Why?
	Well, the reason why most people choose not to have children is because of finances.
	It's not that they don't want them.
	It's just financially unattainable for a lot of families to be able to support children.
	They're expensive.
	And creating $8 trillion out of thin air didn't help that, by the way.
	And so you have this moment where, of course, the political predators, the left is going to come in and they'll be like, vote for us, free stuff, all this.
	Whoa.
	So you got to think to yourself, which side should actually stand for family formation, getting married and having children?
	Probably the ones that believe in men and women and believe in absolute truths and believe in actually defending the institution of marriage, right?
	And so from my experience of young people and a lot of students, they say, I want to at least get a little bit of this aforementioned American dream that I was promised.
	And here's the thing that I think gets totally misrepresented for any politician that wishes to listen to this, right?
	Which is that it's not that they gravitate towards some of these left-wing policies out of totally their own choosing.
	Some of it is because they've been convinced out of their necessity.
	They're wrong.
	Now, you got the apparatch, right, that believe outside.
	You saw that, right?
	That's a clown show, okay?
	We could talk about that.
	But a majority of young people support like Bernie Sanders, not because they find every idea super compelling, but they're like, he's going to set my, he's going to set me free.
	It's not for free stuff.
	They actually look at it as freedom.
	I know that's weird to think about.
	They're like, he'll get rid of my student loan debt because I got nothing out of college.
	Like he's going to get rid of the scam that I was put into.
	So how should conservatives meaningfully address these things?
	First of all, addressing them, I think, is just first, a good first step to actually know young people, to tell young people you're talking about these things.
	And then I'm open to any and all ideas that make those three things easier in a market-based way.
	But then also, let's just take a step back from like the most simple, like and most obvious.
	And one of the dumbest things we've ever done, and I've kind of mentioned this a couple times, which is when you have more dollar bills chasing, you have more dollar bills than you have value, it's a bad thing for society, okay?
	Don't need to go into the deep economics of that.
	We shouldn't have to spend two hours on it.
	Yet your political leaders in both parties decided that was a good idea.
	And so I'm talking about inflation, of course.
	Inflation makes it harder to buy a home.
	Inflation makes it harder to get married and have kids.
	It just does.
	Every single study shows that.
	And so what happened during the lockdown, we locked down, never should have done that.
	And then we say, okay, now when people are less productive than ever, let's go inject trillions of dollars that we don't have.
	And that's like if you could not design a better equation for inflation.
	Now, who actually benefits from inflation?
	So a couple people, rich people do really well in inflation.
	They do really well.
	They can move their assets.
	They could park their assets.
	You know who else does really well in inflation?
	People that have debt, also known as homeowners.
	So if you have a mortgage, your mortgage has actually gone down in the last two years because $500,000 ain't what it used to be.
	Every year, year over year, CPI is 13%, right?
	So if you have a mortgage, your mortgage just went down by 13% because the mortgage doesn't change.
	You signed on the dotted line.
	It doesn't have your mortgage adjusted to inflation.
	So as you print more money, if you borrow money, the people that borrow money actually benefit.
	So for younger people, they're like, okay, the only debt I have is student loan debt, right?
	And that should appreciate with value, right?
	It's you.
	You're investing in yourself.
	But it really is questionable at times whether or not that actually happens.
	So when you have more dollar bills and actual things of value in society, it creates this obviously price spike that's happening here.
	But understand that we're so desensitized in America to believe that a stable currency is promised to us.
	The dollar and the pound are the only two currencies over the last hundred years that have not been totally reset.
	That resets of currencies happen all the time.
	And so when you see, so for example, they came out today, they said the consumer price index is 13.8%, right, year over year.
	Prices are up 13.8%.
	I believe it's much higher than.
	I think it's 25% minimum.
	And I could prove it.
	I think in Denver, it's definitely 25%.
	I think in Phoenix, it's 25%.
	And so what does that mean?
	Let's just be very blunt.
	You're poorer than you were last year, unless you are now earning 26% more than you were last year.
	And so if you are, then you're probably a business owner that owns student housing, right?
	Now that's important.
	Why does student housing do really well?
	Because you can adjust your rates.
	So every month, you can say, anything that you can adjust your rates and you have the same basic structural overhead, you do really well in inflation.
	So people that own property and rent it out, they just make a killing in inflation.
	Now, who doesn't do well in inflation is people that have to buy substantial amounts of hard products, such as restaurants or fast food chains, and those prices go up by 20, 30%, and everything gets messed up.
	Therefore, you go to a local bar here in Boulder and I saw it.
	It was like $21 for chicken wings.
	And it gets passed on to you, right?
	And so a very simple way, and this needs to be demanded by every single person, is a clear message of Washington, D.C. is stop spending money you don't have, get closer to a balanced budget, and slow this down.
	This is so fiscally reckless.
	And I will say it's a moral injustice happening in America.
	So inflation, I get so fired up about this.
	I know it's not a topic people like, but the reason I don't, I get so angry about inflation is it by definition punishes good moral behavior.
	So what is a good thing that you were told, hopefully, growing up from your parents?
	Save money, right?
	Well, guess what?
	Inflation, by definition, punishes you if you save money.
	Inflation, if you have money in your bank account, by definition, you're getting poor if that money's not working for you.
	Therefore, you have to go towards riskier investments.
	You have to go towards things that are more volatile.
	And it creates all these other bad economic choices throughout society.
	And the other thing I don't like about inflation is that it's a tax without your consent.
	It's that year over year, you're doing your job.
	You're going to school.
	You're doing what you're told.
	And without you ever approving it, it violated the moral principle that we in America are supposed to have, which is consent to the government.
	Now, if there was a massive ballot referendum that said, yes, I want a 15% price hike and that won in a ballot referendum, then I think I'd be a little less fired up.
	99% of Americans, well, they should have known in their political choices previously, it's a separate topic though, is they had no idea, despite them making the right choices.
	Society properly organized will reward people that do the right thing and punish people that do the wrong thing.
	That's not like overly complicated.
	But inflation, people get so frenetic, they're like, wow, I have this money in my bank account.
	I can't keep saving it because I'm losing 13% year over year.
	And so I think it's a massive moral injustice.
	And before anyone tries to over-politicize this, I'm going to be very honest.
	It's both political parties that are to blame for our fiscal and our monetary policy in our country.
	It's both political parties that have spent trillions of dollars we do not have to get you guys into debt to hyper-inflate our way out of it.
	And so now we're at this circumstance where people say, you know, what's the solution?
	Well, unfortunately, when you kind of get on the sugar high, which we have, inflation is a sugar high, you're only left with a couple options.
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	You can continue it.
	You can keep on eating Twizzlers till you pass out.
	Or you can actually take a second like, wow, we need to go take cough syrup and get interest rates up to 12 and 13% and slow this down.
	Cough syrup tastes bad.
	It's actually bad.
	It's actually good for you long term if you obviously are suffering from something that could help.
	The analogy is that we as a society want to keep the quote unquote good times going.
	So therefore, you're going to see $10 gas.
	If this continues, you will see $10 gas.
	And not in like, that's not an exaggeration.
	I remember last year, we did one of these events and I told people, you'll see $6 gas.
	And the left wingers laughed in the back row.
	Well, it's all across California now.
	$6 is just the way to, I don't know what it is here, probably $450, $475.
	I'm just guessing.
	$425.
	Okay, not too far off.
	And so this is something that I think that transcends politics.
	Okay, one or two more things, and we'll get to some questions.
	Okay.
	So, yeah, this is the last thing I'll talk about, which is, so what is a country versus a colony?
	We as Americans are promised, thanks to the structure of government, we get to live in a country.
	A country requires citizens.
	In order to be a citizen, you of course need to have legal standing as a citizen.
	But I also believe, and I will argue, that citizenship is also a cultural issue, that if you bring too many people into your country too quickly and there is no assimilation, in fact, there's an effort to not assimilate, then you're no longer a country, you're a colony.
	And so what we're seeing happen on the southern border, if it keeps up, if it continues, one out of five people in America will be illegal in the next three years.
	One out of five.
	One out of five, if it continues.
	So, and I've been down to Yuma, and I've seen it myself.
	There are, there's a roughly, I'll make sure I get my math right.
	In Yuma alone, 1,100 illegals coming into America every single day.
	That's just Yuma, Arizona.
	And this year it'll be 3 million people.
	And so it really is a question, right?
	So the people in charge, they want to turn America into a colony.
	Kind of a hodgepodge of people that don't have anything in common.
	You speak different languages.
	You kind of trade.
	And it's like, whatever.
	I want to be a country.
	I want to be a place where we agree that the Constitution is the greatest political document ever.
	I want to be a country where a majority of Americans think what happened on Iwo Jima was heroic.
	I want to be a country that people that know who George S. Patton was, who believe George Washington was an amazing historical figure.
	And I don't want to have to guess in one in five if that person shares the same American story that I do.
	And that is a fundamental moral good.
	And so, again, the problem to kind of tie this all together is that people are afraid to say that because they're afraid of being called all these awful names like racist or whatever, all these sorts of things.
	Borders are a moral good.
	A country has a right to determine who comes in their country and when they come.
	And it's not just illegal immigration.
	It's legal immigration as well.
	1.2 million green cards issued every single year, plus 3 million illegal people coming across the border.
	And if Title 42 is repealed, it's a very wonky issue, which is basically a health thing that allowed us to deport more people in the last two years under a COVID thing on the southern border.
	If that gets repealed, okay, you're going to see 5 million people come across the southern border this summer.
	5 million people.
	And yet, don't worry, everybody, we sent $14 billion to Ukraine really quick.
	But for whatever reason, our southern border remains wide open.
	Yeah, like, excuse me why I don't get enthusiastic about Zelensky while our country gets invaded.
	Like, sorry, not on board.
	You guys can have your own opinions about that, but I actually have a mandate to defend like this country.
	And I think that every leader should as well.
	And when they don't sprint to the House floor or the Senate floor to go vote for $14 billion to go secure our southern border, which is desperately needed, we do not have the agents to fulfill what's happening on the southern border.
	I say that your priorities are all mixed up.
	Like, I'm not going to call you any of the bad names that people call, but I'm also, I have a lot of doubt about you as a political leader in both parties, if you prioritize the needs and wants and interests of a foreign country over actually our own nation, especially when we are heading in the direction that we are heading on our southern border.
	Okay.
	Last, last thing, then we'll do some questions.
	No student should be forced to get a vaccine against their will.
	Let me say that again.
	No student should be forced to get a vaccine against their will.
	You can have your own opinion on the vaccine.
	That's fine.
	We could talk about it.
	I decided not to get the vaccine.
	I have learned that some of our turning point USA students are in a lot of trouble, I'm told.
	I don't want to get into specifics because at CU Boulder, they're forcing the vaccine.
	This is wrong.
	Those of you that have influence over this university financially that might sit on whatever board, you need to stand up for these students because what I'm understanding, like student portals being held hostage, I want to speak out of turn.
	You guys could talk about it, but it's a very serious issue where we think to ourselves, wait a second, we're now forcing a 21-year-old who's paying us tuition to go get a medical vaccine where it does not prevent infection, okay?
	How many times do you have to read this just like nausea-invoking, cringe-inducing tweet every week?
	I have tested positive for COVID.
	But thankfully, I got the vaccine and was triple boosted, and therefore I'm okay.
	If I have to read that tweet one more time, I'm going to lose my mind.
	Nancy, it's like copy-paste every single one of them.
	So you might think it's good and it helps against severity of infection.
	There's data on both sides of that.
	I have my own personal opinions about it.
	Whatever.
	Make your own choices.
	It's super creepy and weird that we're now telling people what to do with their deeply personal medical decisions, especially young people at this now two-year phase.
	And so let me just say again, thank you, CU Boulder, for having me.
	But CU Boulder, you should be ashamed of forcing kids to get the vaccine against their will.
	It is categorically and morally wrong.
	All right, so let's do some questions as we line up.
	So, a couple ground rules for the questions.
	We want to do questions, not statements.
	We reserve the right to interrupt and pull the mic.
	This is obviously a predominant center-right audience, right?
	If someone who disagrees, and it's obvious they disagree, the questions will be over there.
	Is that right?
	Both sides.
	So, both sides of the room, you guys can start lining up.
	If someone has the courage that disagrees to ask a question, please do not interrupt them.
	Please do not mock them.
	Please do not make fun of them.
	We are going to give them the respect they never give us.
	Okay?
	That's what we're going to do tonight.
	All right?
	Okay.
	All right.
	We'll go as long as we can.
	Both sides of the room.
	Can you raise your hand too?
	Okay.
	We'll start over there.
	Hi.
	So I started a turning point chapter recently at my high school, and I got a huge turnout, like 60 people stuffed in one room.
	And so, and a lot of those people were there to protest, and they brought up all of these claims about like turning point you, Candace Owens, like whatever.
	And I knew it was like, this is definitely false.
	Yeah.
	But I have no evidence against it.
	How do I respond to ridiculous claims in which I can't like say, ha ha, not true?
	Well, I mean, I suppose it's like Charlie's a bad person.
	Like, okay, well, the burden of proof's on them.
	So go ahead, prove it.
	Like, I mean, that's what I would use.
	I mean, so I would just say, okay, prove to me exactly what it is.
	So, I mean, you go through the, like, oh, yeah, turning point USA is racist.
	Okay, prove it.
	We're the ones that are going around the country arguing against black-only dormitories.
	We're the ones going around the country saying that racial segregation is wrong.
	We're the ones going around the country saying that we shouldn't care about people's skin color.
	And so the burden of proof is on them.
	So first, I want to just applaud you for starting a Turning Point USA group.
	It's awesome.
	And I want to second one thing, which is: I'm not surprised the politics of smear and slander are favorites of the left.
	Instead of actually debating issues, they'll go right into accusations.
	I'm happy to spend the next however long we have telling you why every one of those lies is incorrect.
	Happy to do that privately or whatever.
	Here's the most important thing: like, it's not up to you to actually go into that.
	You should say, look at them in the eye and say, answer me this question.
	What is your evidence for this claim?
	And by the way, if you're saying, oh, they're racist, like, okay, which one's the racist movement?
	The people that want to divide people racially or the people that actually want racial integration?
	Just let them answer the question.
	And then finally, don't let it get you down.
	What you're doing at a high school level, starting a Turning Point USA group, is making a phenomenal, long-lasting change in the trajectory of your generation.
	And the fact is, it puts them immediately on defense.
	Like, really, it's the best you can do is like read a bunch of New York Times snippets about Turning Point USA.
	Like, here's the thing: Turning Point USA, we are a diverse organization.
	We're an inclusive organization.
	We're a positive organization.
	Regardless of what all the smear and the slander the media tells you, you could see it for yourself.
	You can come to our events.
	You could see our students.
	You can see how they view the country and how we view things.
	And we don't let that kind of negativity wear us down.
	And my encouragement for you is don't let that for you either.
	So, God bless you.
	Thank you.
	I want to say: if you disagree, you guys can go to the front of the line if that pertains to you.
	Okay.
	Hi, Charlie.
	Thank you for coming tonight.
	My question is about the fact that the founding fathers never envisioned the size and power of the unelected bureaucracy in Washington, D.C.
	These are the people that are there for decades.
	We have no chance to vote them out.
	There's corruption throughout the government.
	What practical changes can we hope to make when we get the White House back to stop that corruption and the usurping of power from the legislature that these bureaucratic departments have taken?
	It's a great question.
	You're right.
	So a big republic is hard to sustain.
	So to have a republic with this many people, we're not a democracy.
	We're a republic.
	I don't know how many times I have to keep on repeating that.
	We are not a democracy, but to have a republic over this landmass and this many different types of people is very, very difficult to sustain.
	So what could be done?
	Well, first, I'll talk less about the White House side of it, which I think whoever ends up being president after this, boy, is there a mandate to clean out the FBI and the CIA and the Department of Justice?
	I mean, unlike anything I've ever seen.
	Whether that will happen or not, I don't know, but there's a huge mandate for that.
	is I'm a big believer in states' rights.
	And you read the founding fathers.
	They believed the smaller, the better for the more important decisions.
	We've gotten away from that.
	Now, in Colorado, I'll say this.
	This is what's so, the left is so clever.
	I have to give them credit.
	They hate states' rights unless it benefits them.
	So they hate states' rights unless it's marijuana.
	They hate states' rights unless it's for bathroom stuff.
	They hate states' rights unless it's for gay marriage, right?
	They'll use states' rights for their agenda.
	But then the minute you're like, oh, we want to try to pass constitutional carry, they're like, you can't do that, right?
	And so I'm a big believer in states' rights.
	I believe in laboratories of democracy, as Justice Louis Brandeis said in the 1920s.
	So what can meaningfully be done?
	My advice, for whatever it's worth, is stop focusing so much on DC and start focusing on your city council, on your local town, because right now we're seeing a trend for the smaller the government, the more popular for the people.
	You're seeing it all across the world, okay?
	Brexit was kind of a beginning step of this.
	There are more countries in the U.S. country and the U.N. country registry than there were even 10 years ago.
	People are now saying, I want to just govern myself.
	I want to be North Macedonian instead of just Macedonia.
	Now, I'm not saying that America is going to secede or be splintered up.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	What I'm saying is we're already kind of living in different Americas.
	And you're fooling yourself if that's not the case.
	If you think that the average Oklahoman has something in common besides a unified currency with the average person in Berkeley, California, where I'm going tomorrow, you're fooling themselves.
	I'll prove it to you, right?
	So the average person from Tulsa, Oklahoma believes the Constitution's wonderful.
	The average person from Berkeley, California thinks the Constitution's awful.
	The average person from Oklahoma believes in differences between men and women.
	The average person from Berkeley does not.
	I could go on, right?
	One of them believes Thomas Jefferson is worthy of study and appreciation.
	The other one wants to take down even the mention of Thomas Jefferson to children.
	That's not really sustainable.
	I want it to be sustainable.
	I think that there's a opening and I think the Lord will provide a master statesman for this moment.
	The level of statesmanship that is required right now is like beyond Winston Churchill and beyond Lincoln to keep this republic together.
	But look, we're on fragile footing.
	I'm not telling you anything you guys don't know.
	You think the same things, right?
	Like, what do I actually have in common with these people?
	And guess what?
	They acknowledge they don't want to live with us a lot of the times.
	I don't want that to happen.
	I want to de-radicalize.
	I want to try to bring the country back together.
	I actually think we have more in common than what separates us.
	The only meaningful long-term solution, though, is local involvement.
	That's the only thing where you know you can get involved and you know you can make a change.
	Thank you for being here tonight.
	Appreciate it.
	So I just kind of wanted to come here to gain some perspective, but I am a disagreeable.
	So seeing that we talked about the housing market and we talked about, you know, the price of college, right, going skyrocket in America.
	If we look to our European neighbors, we're seeing them do a lot better in this sector.
	And that's because of centralized policies that America hasn't even started on yet.
	And yet you want like a free market kind of like solution.
	So how are we failing?
	And how is Europe succeeding?
	Well, yeah, I don't accept the premise, but I appreciate the question.
	I don't think Europe's succeeding.
	But let me ask you, I ask you a question.
	Do you think that there's too many people going to college in America?
	I do not.
	Okay.
	So what's the national college graduation rate?
	Ballpark.
	What do you think of this?
	People going in to how many people graduate?
	Get a diploma.
	Again, I'm not too familiar with the amount of time.
	That's okay.
	It's fine.
	59%.
	So 41% of people that go to college don't graduate.
	By a show of hands, how many know people that dropped out of college?
	Raise your hand.
	Every single hand goes up.
	Right.
	So we have way too many people going to college in America.
	So my first thing, my first belief is that we have to decline college enrollment dramatically in this country.
	I'd say, well, Charlie, what are you going to do?
	Well, I will agree with you on one thing.
	It's where the Germans get right.
	It's that we need more welders and plumbers, electricians, police officers, entrepreneurs, and people that work with their hands.
	And a lot less people that are kind of in the cloud studying postmodernism, right?
	So I think college is a racket largely.
	I think it's a scam.
	I think that young people are told to take classes that have no relevancy to their own degree.
	So let me ask you: have you taken classes that just you think are kind of a waste of time, or do you think it's all just been phenomenally meaningful?
	I feel like it's a step in like the right career, right?
	You get the right amount of like technical skills and also the right amount of soft skills necessary for the career that you're going into.
	And I feel like saying that people shouldn't be enrolling in college is actively saying that some people just don't deserve to go to college.
	And I don't feel like that's not saying that at all.
	I mean, I think college makes you poorer, makes you less happy, and less likely to flourish.
	Let me ask a question: show of hands in the room.
	We'll use the democracy thing, right?
	How many of you have felt that you took a class that was a total waste of time, waste of money, and all that?
	Okay.
	I mean, so this is a scam, man.
	Like, if I was a, if I was a financial regulator, I would, this is like Bernie Madoff stuff, man.
	It's like every question I ask, yep, I know people that dropped out.
	Yep, I took classes that don't have any relevance to your degree.
	And so the question is: what is the purpose of college, right?
	So if every college like Hillsdale College, I'd probably agree with you.
	If you guys are studying Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, getting deep into the classics, rejecting postmodernism, understanding the beauty of the American founding, then so be it.
	But like, if we have to have these like extended discussions of like Jacques Derrida and Michelle Foucault and black-only dormitories and what is critical theory, you guys are getting ripped off.
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	And I believe firmly that, so what is the market response first and foremost?
	Get a massive, and this might be wishful thinking, get a massive portion of the population not to go to college, go into technical schools, learn to work with their hands and value muscular labor again in our country, which muscular labor is insulted, talked down to, and I could prove it to you.
	Go to a suburban family, anyone, maybe in Cherry Creek or in Centennial or whatever.
	If you go to a regular suburban family, if you've got a mom in private, she'll say, I just don't want my kid to work construction.
	Every suburban mom will say that.
	No matter what, I don't want my kid to sweat for a living.
	And okay, that has created a hyper-educated, very unwise generation that's super in debt and has pieces of paper and they mean absolutely nothing, right?
	So it's a generation that has borrowed money they don't have to study things that don't matter, to find jobs that don't exist.
	So to answer your question, the whole thing's a racket from how we get young people from high school to try to go to college and all this.
	We need to disrupt it completely, end federal subsidies, end state subsidies, make college support themselves on the own on their own.
	Make colleges.
	So make colleges go raise their own donor money for the, like, for example, if like feminist queer theory is super important to you, fine, go raise the money and support it on your own, right?
	Don't ask the taxpayer to underwrite that.
	And by the way, you look at Europe, just to finish the point, they're getting away from woke universities.
	France has actually decreed, Emmanuel Macron ran on this.
	He said that we need to try to reject American woke ideology that is seeping into French institutions.
	So to kind of use your own example, Europe's rejecting the very same thing that I believe has infected American higher education.
	Thank you for being here tonight.
	I appreciate it.
	Thoughtful question.
	Thank you.
	In America, the people are sovereign.
	You know that when you study the Constitution, you don't have to study it.
	You just look at it.
	My go-to place for the news, my go-to place for what's happening at a deeper level is Hillsdale College.
	Look, it's no secret that Americans are more divided than ever.
	It's not just over policies, but what will improve our beautiful country?
	Now, people are debating whether America is great at all.
	And look, I got to say, Hillsdale, they go right into it.
	They have Imprimus, and they send it to you, and it's unbelievable.
	We get it sent here to our office.
	I read every single word.
	Hillsdale College, run by the great Dr. Larry Arn, and they have Imprimus, which is a digest of liberty, and it's so important.
	Imprimus looks at the issues of the day from a constitutional perspective, reminding citizens always of our great heritage of liberty.
	For 50 years, Imprimus has featured speeches given at Hillsdale events by the smartest conservative thinkers and writers.
	These days, Hillsdale publishes people like Victor Davis Hansen, Molly Hemingway, Mark Stein, and Christopher Ruffo.
	Over 6.2 million American households and businesses receive Imprimus absolutely for free.
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	Portions of this program, The Charlie Kirk Show.
	First of all, I'd like to preface my question with two things.
	Firstly, huge fan.
	Secondly, I am a biologist in case anyone would like to refute me after that.
	What is a woman?
	That's what I'm graduating in this spring.
	But so I would like to ask you regarding a logical fallacy that I've, sorry.
	The idea of the slippery slope has largely been invalidated in conversations, especially today.
	But I think one axiom that I've seen propagated throughout multiple mediums is that of went from let us get married to now we want to teach sexuality to your elementary schoolers.
	And don't get me wrong, I don't care what you do with your life as long as it doesn't impact my life and those around me.
	I like to consider myself an open-minded individual, but once you impede on my stuff, that's when I start to get a little, don't tread on me.
	So I'm very curious as to your perception with regards to the idea of the fallacy.
	And if someone were to use that is a logical fallacy against you, how would you refute that?
	Yeah, I get that all the time.
	So people will say that, look, it's not a logical fallacy that things go on a slippery, it is a logical fallacy slope.
	I reject the premise.
	I think slippery slopes are true.
	You look at any sort of course of history, you do see incremental erosion of freedoms and liberties.
	You do see small things become big things.
	I'm not to say, now, the reason it's a logical fallacy, just so you understand, is it's not applicable to all things.
	That's not to say, though, that slippery slopes don't happen.
	Those are two different things, right?
	So if you want to just like take a logic class 101, go through Aristotelian logic, you're right.
	It cannot be applied to an argument every time because it's not scientific, right?
	There are examples.
	I could give you one, like seatbelt laws.
	It stopped and it got kind of annoying, but it was kind of, it just kind of slowed down, right?
	That doesn't, that's not the same thing as saying, though, that slippery slopes have not happened and they will continue to happen, right?
	For example, in New York, they started with like, oh, we want abortions to be safe, legal, and rare.
	And then it's like, oh, we want late-term abortions.
	And now it's like we're entertaining post-birth abortions, which is what they're entertaining in California, where you can have abortion up to post-birth in Colorado?
	Okay.
	So that's a slippery slope, isn't it?
	So I hope that helps a little bit, where technically it is a logical fallacy because it's not applicable to every issue.
	However, you should isolate and say, how many slippery slopes have we lived through?
	Because it's still a real thing, right?
	Where the erosion of liberty can start at one thing or the erosion of decency or virtue or goodness, right?
	So a great example is, okay, we start with, you know, same-sex marriage.
	Okay, that was lost.
	And then we went to, you're going to force a baker to make a cake.
	Okay, that was lost.
	And now it goes to we want to teach five-year-olds about very graphic sex education.
	It's like, wow, we went a long way from just wanting people to have equal rights with marriage to now going to five-year-olds.
	Now, the reason why they'll call it a logical fallacy is because you could not scientifically apply it that way or mathematically, because it wasn't assuredly going to be a sipperly slope, but there still exists.
	So I would encourage you to kind of push back on and add some nuance to that, right?
	And it's one of the most insane things.
	Like study the history of the Soviet Union and tell me slippery slopes don't exist, right?
	Study Cambodia.
	Study Maoist China, right?
	Look what's happening, you know, in Colorado with what you just said, the pro-life bill and some of these other things.
	So I hope that's somewhat helpful to push back on that a little bit.
	And it's a very thoughtful question.
	So thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Hey, Charlie.
	I was told to keep it short, so I will.
	So you've touched on LGBTQ rights a lot.
	You've talked about, you know, trans bathrooms, you getting banned from Twitter.
	Very, you know, awful.
	But I'm wondering if I can get a straight answer, yes or no.
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	Do you think the acceptance of queer people in society is a good thing?
	Well, define acceptance and define queer, because when I grew up, that was like a slander.
	So I don't know, that's like a thing now.
	Queer being lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender.
	And acceptance?
	What do you mean?
	Acceptance being that, you know, society, you know, you know, accepts that, doesn't try to change that, doesn't try to say that it's not a social, like it's not a good thing for you to be gay.
	It's not a good thing for you to be trans.
	And, you know, in our institutions also just offering them resources to, you know, just come to terms with their sexuality, not feel bad about it.
	Basically, by acceptance, I generally mean society shouldn't make people feel bad about who they are.
	So do you agree with that?
	No.
	No.
	I mean, we should feel bad about all sorts of things.
	So, I mean, yeah, happy to get the mic back up.
	But I mean, I'll just ask you a very simple question, and this will tell, what is a woman?
	A woman is someone who identifies as a woman.
	Got it.
	So can, so do you think a definition of someone able to become pregnant would be a woman?
	I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?
	So if someone can become pregnant, would that person be defined as a woman?
	Depends on if they identify as a woman.
	Right.
	So, okay, we're now getting to the root of the issue.
	So do you believe that truth is objective or subjective?
	Do you believe in absolute truth?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So if you believe in absolute truth, shouldn't we have absolute terms of what a infant-bearing or infant-birthing person is, otherwise known as a woman?
	No.
	Okay.
	So let me ask you, let me ask you this a different way, I suppose.
	So if anyone can identify at anything at any time, correct?
	Anyone can identify it as a woman or a man, you can just choose it anytime, right?
	Gender?
	Well, gender identity isn't switching genders all the time.
	It just depends.
	But that's your position, right?
	That's sort of say that you could change your gender?
	My position is that you should accept people's gender identity and you shouldn't machine them out.
	So let me ask you, should we accept people that think they're younger than they actually are?
	Because that is, that's a mental condition where people say, I identify as an eight-year-old, but they're really 50.
	Should we accept someone be able to say they're younger?
	No, but I think that's a very false equivalence.
	Why is it a false equivalence?
	Because there's scientific research supporting that gender identity is something that is, you know, like, there's scientific research that supports people and says that if you identify as a certain gender, then that is like your gender.
	There's this paper on Scientific American that I found very interesting that said, like, you know, it has to do with like your brain formation in the womb where gender identity forms, but it's different from sex.
	That's very different from a disorder where you say, I'm not actually my age.
	Well, hold on.
	You just, you disagreed with me.
	You said it's a brain formation issue.
	It's a brain formation.
	I didn't say it was a disorder.
	Well, so you don't think transgenderism is a disorder?
	No.
	What is gender dysphoria?
	Gender dysphoria is when you're very uncomfortable with your own body, and that usually relates to gender, and that can usually be treated if you choose a transition to...
	Right.
	So it's a mental condition, right?
	That's...
	Well, gender dysphoria is, but transgenderism is not.
	What's the difference?
	The difference between gender dysphoria and transgenderism.
	Being transgender means that you don't identify with the gender you're born with.
	Gender dysphoria means you're uncomfortable with your body.
	So they're two different things.
	So you cannot be quote-unquote transgender without suffering from gender dysphoria.
	So let me ask you one more question.
	So you believe that we can dictate pronouns.
	Can I choose my adjectives?
	Can I decide to be like super rich?
	Or like, can someone like, can I decide to be small?
	Like, is there anything objective that we have to actually admit?
	Or can you just change anything at any time?
	I think people should have the right to determine their pronouns.
	And I don't think...
	How about adjectives?
	I don't think people actually do that, so I don't know why that's something you're.
	Well, of course, like if someone says, I declare I'm rich, it's no longer than saying, I'm declare I'm a man.
	Your chromosomes aren't that way.
	You don't get to choose what your reality is, do you?
	Gender identity is reality.
	Okay, so anyone could be anything.
	Let me ask, how about species reality?
	Can I change my species?
	No.
	Why?
	There's people that identify as cats and dogs.
	All time has a serious mental condition.
	It is.
	It's treated all the time.
	Tens of thousands of cases every single year.
	So basically, if you believe in absolute truth, which you say you do, why wouldn't you believe in absolute truth when it comes to chromosomal structure?
	Because gender and chromosomal sex are two different things.
	Right, according to your opinion.
	Got it.
	So now you want to impose that opinion on the rest of society, right?
	You can have whatever opinion you want.
	Here's our position.
	That opinion should now not apply to all of a sudden saying that men and women's sports should be conflated.
	Final question.
	Did you find a moral problem with the University of Pennsylvania swimmer changing from a man to a woman and winning the NCAA championship, defeating other women?
	Well, I'm not familiar, but I'm pretty sure that the NCAA has some rules that makes it so people who transition have like, you know, kind of a competitive fair thing.
	So I haven't done much research into those rules, but let me set you up to speed.
	460 second best male swimmer, best female swimmer, NCAA champion.
	Do you see a problem with that?
	Are you suggesting that she transitioned to a woman to get better at swimming?
	Of course.
	And we shouldn't allow that to happen.
	Why would you transition yourself just to become better at a sport?
	Because you're a narcissist.
	That's why.
	Because it's like saying, why would anyone steal anything?
	Why would anyone cut in line?
	People do bad things.
	It's not up to us as society to accommodate the rules for your impulses to go do bad things.
	Last question.
	Do you think there's differences between men and women?
	Was this the actual last question?
	Yeah, last last question.
	I'm curious.
	No, I'm curious because I can't believe you're paying for this.
	It's like so interesting.
	Well, there are actual differences between men and women, yes, in terms of chromosomes, as you mentioned.
	So, yeah, sure.
	Okay, so therefore, we agree that men and women have differences.
	We should define society around those differences.
	And one of those differences is that women are, they have lower testosterone levels, and they could be easily exploited by men.
	which is what happens far too often.
	And it's incumbent on men who have higher testosterone levels, who are physically stronger, to protect women against the exploitation of men who think they are women.
	That's a moral question and a moral claim.
	Thank you for being here tonight.
	I appreciate it.
	Hello, Charlie.
	Thank you for coming out tonight.
	So I definitely wouldn't say I agree with you on a lot of things, but I guess just to kind of make it fun.
	Something, well, not necessarily.
	So, you know, I'm a guy.
	I'm a plumber.
	I work the trade.
	I'm an anarchist.
	We definitely agree.
	We agree on a lot of stuff, but there's a couple of things we might disagree on, like secession and various things like that.
	But really coming here, I wanted to, I guess, ask you, a guy like me, young guy, what, and I think there's a lot of people in the room that probably asked this exact same question who are more leaning on the right.
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	What can we do to help push the country in the direction that we want to see it?
	Because I don't feel like voting is doing it for us.
	That's what led me to women.
	Voting's important, but what can you do?
	We've got to have bigger families.
	We've got to support our churches and support our pastors that are proclaiming truth.
	See one in the back, fervent church.
	Is that right?
	Do I see?
	That's amazing.
	Great church in Colorado Springs.
	They do such a great job.
	Then we got to get to work.
	We got to build things that last and matter.
	So one of the things is we got to have more conservative businesses that are owned by us that share our values so that we're cancel-proof.
	That's a real thing, regardless of what you think the future of the country looks like.
	We got to start our own businesses.
	Now, that doesn't excuse us from what I believe holding these current businesses accountable, like Disney, which has become a child predator operation, right?
	And so it's inexcusable what Disney has.
	It's unbelievable.
	And what really frustrates me about Disney, just as a side small detour, is that they made billions being the safe haven for families for years.
	And then they turn around and they use that against.
	It's just so sick and so wrong.
	But we got to build stuff.
	We have to be positive and forward thinking.
	And I have to say, in my kind of mixed bag of analysis, this is one thing I really appreciate about Elon Musk is he's a builder.
	And I love builders.
	There's complainers and there's doers.
	And I got to say, I just stand in awe.
	I'm like, this guy has how many companies?
	He's trying to go to what planet?
	It's remarkable.
	And again, I'm against some of the moral and philosophical claims of what he does.
	He does way too much business with China, all that stuff.
	But I think that we as a movement would be better suited.
	Like, what are we going to build that's ambitious and beautiful?
	Are we going to build the next Disney?
	I guarantee you someone in this room right now has the potential to build a multi-billion dollar company.
	That's a real thing, right?
	Like regardless, you might, you believe in no government, all that stuff, whatever, fine.
	We could go over that.
	Probably never.
	But the point is that's a real thing.
	So build things that last.
	Build things that are beautiful.
	Beautiful families, beautiful communities, beautiful churches.
	Support good businesses.
	Take risks.
	Be an entrepreneur.
	That's more important than voting.
	So I want you to imagine if someone hears what I just said, they're like, I'm going to start the next Disney.
	And they do it.
	Imagine the cultural impact of that, right?
	And you might say, oh, Charlie, that will never happen.
	I disagree.
	I think the spirit of American entrepreneur hasn't even started taking risks, especially on the center right.
	It's like, no, I'm going to go start something big, bold, ambitious, and beautiful.
	And we're starting to see more and more people start to do that.
	Like, we're gonna start our own Starbucks.
	I see some people pointing to themselves: good, I believe in you.
	You can do it totally.
	Like, only in America can you do really gritty, awesome things.
	Like, and I'm living proof of this, right?
	I started Turning Point USA 10 years ago when I was 18 years old in the suburbs of Chicago, no money, no connections, no idea what I was doing.
	We're now on thousands of high school and college campuses across the country, over 250 people on staff.
	I now have a podcast, a radio show, all this.
	I look around, I'm like, only in America could a kid who didn't go to college, who no one believed in, and then people started to, and amazing generosity followed.
	Is that possible, right?
	And so, so for you, it's like you're a plumber, right?
	Then go start an incredible, like, go start the next Task Rabbit.
	I'm not kidding.
	Like, go start a conservative tax rabbit.
	Great, amazing idea for a company, by the way.
	Whoever came up with TaskRabbit, I want to meet them.
	It's a phenomenal.
	I don't even know what that is.
	It's, it's, you could hire somebody for a couple hours to go do like putting together a bed frame or like fixing a dishwasher.
	It's a phenomenal idea.
	Like, you could do that.
	And that's what we need to start thinking of, right?
	The positive, forward-thinking.
	Because here's the thing: we're dealing with an incredibly suppressive and negative force over our country right now, right?
	They want you to think that our country is going to fall apart.
	And like, I just went through all the things wrong, okay?
	But what are the risks we're going to take to make the country better?
	And one of those are building better families, building bigger businesses, you know, better businesses, leaning into our local community, helping our local church.
	Those are things that last regardless of the criminality of our political class, which I think you and I could have a lot of fun talking about.
	So thanks for being here tonight.
	Appreciate it.
	First off, Charlie, thank you for coming out tonight.
	I watch your videos all the time.
	I got two quick questions.
	I'm going to try and keep it as brief as I can.
	Yeah.
	So I live in Washington state.
	So absolute chaos and all that kind of stuff with George Floyd.
	When we announced lockdowns, one of my friends got raped right before it.
	What do you think that did to her mental health?
	Then a bunch of my friends, I had three commit suicide over quarantine.
	I had multiple others get raped over quarantine.
	And all of this is because Tacoma, Seattle, Olympia, they all take over the entire state.
	What do you think of a proposed system where if only 41% of the state votes Democrat and 59 votes Republican, that that state puts 59% of the electoral votes into the electoral college and 41% of the electoral codes?
	It's too complicated.
	It's never going to happen.
	However, I like your spirit.
	Here's what I do support, and I think this is going to start happening.
	I support Eastern Washington getting part of Idaho.
	I support these kind of splinter movements, and you should too.
	I supported breaking up California into five parts, even though it was totally unrealistic.
	It got broken up in the courts.
	Some of these states are too big.
	They're just too big and they're not representing their voters.
	You drive out of Seattle, Tacoma, and you go into the Heartland area with some of the most amazing people on the planet in Washington.
	Now, some people say that's secession.
	No, it's not.
	It's actually not secession.
	It's the opposite.
	West Virginia was formed as a compact in like 1872, requires an act from Congress.
	And here's a way to force the hand of this.
	You might say, Charlie, would never happen.
	Hold on.
	So they want to add Puerto Rico and DC as a state.
	Okay.
	Give us Eastern Washington as a state and give us Southern Colorado as a state, right?
	Like, why not?
	Like, you guys want to add all these new states, then all these other pockets of America are going to start to get senators.
	And they don't want that, right?
	But so there is this tension of the rurals versus the urban.
	The electoral college thing is way too complicated.
	It's never going to happen.
	What can happen?
	It's already happening.
	I think it's Western Idaho.
	I can't remember.
	It's Oregon.
	It's Oregon.
	It's Eastern Oregon that's done this.
	And Jefferson, Southern Oregon, Northern California.
	It's like, I support the principle of self-government.
	I think that's a moral good and a necessity.
	When self-government starts to become unrealistic, for example, Seattle just terrorizes the rest of the state, then you got to start entertaining other creative, peaceful options, which is, look, we've had states break.
	You ever see how weird some of these states are?
	Happen all across our, we don't cover that a lot, right?
	Like, how are these states actually formed?
	Like, very few states are like Wyoming, which is like a perfect square, right?
	Like, a lot of these states are like a total mess, and it's either on a river or it's just kind of like, well, we used to, for example, a great, you should go look up the Northwest Territory used to be Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and it was just basically they formed it on the rivers and they fought over it and they gave Ohio more.
	And it was this idea that you have to always live in the same state you do, it's somewhat of a modern idea that I think we should challenge.
	And I think it would be a very good thing and healthy thing.
	And I think it would also push back against some of the tyranny and give people kind of an escape hatch.
	Like, wait, I could still live in, you know, Pullman.
	Well, Pullman, Washington's a bunch of crazy people.
	But like, I could live outside of Pullman, Washington, right, and not have to leave.
	So I'm a big believer in self-government.
	I really am.
	Thank you.
	We got to get to the next question.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Hey, I have this one written down.
	So you've been, I think there was a previous question.
	We kind of talked about like bureaucracy and how that's a huge issue in America.
	So let me just make sure I don't get my words twisted.
	So the lobbyists, in my opinion, it's probably the most detrimental force in U.S. politics.
	So given that Turning Point USA is also funded in large part by these groups, and you say that you support the American people.
	What groups are you talking about?
	Off the top of my head, I think the Independent Petroleum Association.
	No, but we are supported by Wildcatters and beautiful people that work in the oil fields.
	Well, yeah, that still goes with my point.
	You are supported by big industry.
	So with that said, do you support overturning Citizens United?
	Yes or no?
	Yeah, I mean, I think that's, yeah, I do, but not for that reason.
	I mean, first of all, yeah, we get support from lots of people, a lot of entrepreneurs.
	But yeah, I think Citizens United is generally unhealthy.
	I do.
	And I think that what's hilarious, though, I don't know your political persuasion, but I will say that the left has used Citizen United way more than the political right has.
	When Mark Zuckerberg can put $400 million into an election to change the way we count votes, like that's a problem.
	And so I used to be a purist on Citizens United.
	Now, there's one carve-out that I will pause in Citizens United, which is I think we can all agree that there would be an over criminalization or over-regulation of political speech.
	For example, so just you know, Citizens United, if you guys don't know, was a law issue came out like 2012, 13, 14, which was, should there be limits on political contributions?
	Okay.
	And so what won Clarence Thomas and Scalia, I think, was alive at the time, over was that the people that were trying to say no, they answered this question pretty scary.
	And I got to be honest, this is what makes me pause.
	They said, if a book was written negatively about Hillary Clinton, would that be considered political speech?
	And they said yes.
	And that's a problem for me.
	Okay.
	So if we're talking about overturning Citizens United to now restrict people like me from talking on radio and podcasting, no way.
	But if you're talking, which I think is the spirit of your question, should there be a restriction on oligarchs running our elections?
	Of course.
	I think absolutely.
	I think when Jeff Bezos or Mark Zuckerberg or Bill Gates can parachute in with $250 million and change the direction of election, I don't think that's healthy for the country.
	I don't.
	And the labor unions to the other side, I mean, you look at the Google people and Zuckerberg, I think that's wrong.
	The way you regulate it is trickier, though, right?
	So I just made a moral claim, but the actual regulation of this is a lot more complicated because then all of a sudden we'll go to, okay, if you, like, for example, Dinesh D'Souza comes out with a movie against Joe Biden, is that a political commercial?
	Right?
	Well, it's a movie.
	So where does it cross the line?
	And that was the question that the court ended up deciding on.
	And so I would be probably in the camp of keeping it as it is if it were mean that people like me and like even Rachel Maddow would have to all of a sudden have her, you know, news brought news broadcast, you know, censored.
	So that's the way I'd answer that question.
	But to answer the final, this idea that oligarchs can control the future of our elections, I think is completely wrong, and I would stand against it.
	Thank you for your question.
	I appreciate it.
	Hi, Charlie.
	It's so cool to see you.
	I remember watching you like 2016 on Lake Dave Rubin.
	It's pretty dope.
	You're a killer.
	Thank you.
	So in the beginning of your speech, you spoke on the conservatizing moments that happened to a person.
	It's amazing.
	I love that.
	Marriage, kids, owning property.
	The problem I see is the left has the progressivizing narratives of culture.
	They have the climate change catastrophe.
	They have the party switch, where supposedly the Republicans are the ones responsible for slavery.
	And we go on and on.
	I'm sure you more than I do.
	How do conservative commentators and the conservative movement fight this mythological warfare they wage when us, as conservatives, can't even agree on whether we believe in anthropogenic or nuclear is the answer?
	Or carbon capture?
	Or maybe we were the racist, but now we're not.
	But so how do we do?
	Because we we are uh, conservatives are much more atomized.
	So how does so?
	My question is, is that, how does conservative media uh, create a like a media bastion to actually fight this?
	That's a really good question.
	So you're asking, how do we win?
	That's basically the essence of your question right like, how do we create counter narratives that we all agree on?
	We don't have a party line, so yeah, so the first thing is, is that the easiest way to create a counter narrative is thankfully, the insanity of the other side?
	So they're doing a lot of it for us and i'll explain what I mean.
	But the second part is, I completely agree and i'll kind of elaborate on the struggle.
	The first thing is, I believe this woke stuff is so unbelievably stupid.
	It's unpopular, doesn't work.
	It just like doesn't make sense to normal people that they're going to be in for such a reckoning.
	They're not even going to know what hit them.
	I believe it will be an extinction event politically for anyone that associates with woke policies.
	Defund the police, get rid of the prisons.
	You know this.
	We just went into the whole thing.
	Can men become pregnant?
	All this garbage, right, like that's the stuff where normal everyday people especially Hispanic voters, by the way um, which you're seeing the biggest shift in they're like.
	This doesn't make any sense.
	I want out of it totally.
	So that's actually been keeping some of the conservative messaging unified, which is anti.
	Now there's a lesson in this.
	In the 1980s, conservatives were unified in messaging because we all hated the Soviet Union.
	That's all we talked about right.
	Hate communism, hate the Soviet Union.
	Libertarians got along with conservatives, anarchists got along with whatever.
	Everyone got along because we hate the Soviet Union.
	You're starting to see a little bit that spirit renewed right now.
	If you kind of see like we like even the people that are like Charlie might disagree with you on, like i'm a libertarian, but I hate the woke left, let's fight them.
	That's good.
	The second part is like we have to do some soul searching of what does it mean to actually be a conservative?
	And that's the second part, right.
	It's like what happens when you win, what happens when you govern.
	So here's my, here's my standard opinion, without getting abstract in the theory, I have a test case now, a three and a half year test case, of what I believe a conservative looks like, Ron De Santis.
	Ron De Santis is what a conservative looks like, and so we don't have to overthink it.
	I think that's a unifying thing right, so we can go through it like, why, banning critical race theory, not allowing kids to be taught this garbage in schools?
	Right, not allowing, you know?
	No, no bail funding the police, funding fatherhood initiatives?
	Right.
	Anti-lockdowns, no vaccine mandates?
	Right, pushing back against these ridiculous congressional maps like whoa, like that's.
	That's a way forward.
	So the question is, how do we do it?
	I think we have to elevate and reward the people that do it in tough places and do it with articulation and charisma, and I would argue Ron De Santis has been probably America's greatest governor in the last 30 years, and I I I, I can't even think of a governor even close to it.
	Truly, so we got to get to some other questions.
	So thank you.
	I just have one question.
	So given the recent targeting of right-wing activists by the FBI, such as the mistreatment of the January 6th prisoners and the failed attempt at entrapping militia members into a plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, would you support defunding the FBI or even having it dissolved due to its politically motivated attacks on right-wingers?
	I mean, like, that's an obvious.
	So in theory, I think there's a role for an FBI idea, but in its current form, absolutely.
	Yes, 100%.
	But I do think that there is a need for a federal police force to be able to police interstate criminal activity.
	I'm a fan when child sex traffickers get arrested.
	Okay, let me be very clear.
	Whatever you call that agency, the FBI, you know, is that.
	But the way the FBI is now, they should have every single cent completely drawn away from them as it is right now.
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	It's politicized.
	It's militaristic.
	They call moms and dads who show up to school board meetings domestic terrorists.
	Like, excuse me, you shouldn't get another red cent from the federal budget again if you're targeting moms and dads and you can't even bother looking at the southern border and what's happening there.
	But it goes even worse than that.
	You go into the history of the FBI.
	J. Edgar Hoover, pretty questionable guy, but the FBI came into being because of bank robberies, okay?
	The FBI came into being because interstate crimes with bank robberies.
	It has evolved into other interstate type crimes.
	I think that they've gone way overboard with actually what they should be doing.
	I think a focused FBI on legit sex trafficking, financial crimes, international wire fraud, all these things.
	But the problem is the FBI has incredible power, right?
	And so how do you restrain that?
	I don't know.
	I'm not even going to pretend to tell you how.
	But the more we talk about like, wow, the people with the guns are the ones that are willing to call moms and dads domestic terrorists.
	What you just talked about in Michigan should be the front page of every newspaper, where you have people that were entrapped by the federal Bureau of Investigation for political reasons for election interference right before the election.
	They all got acquitted, where they had no intent to kidnap Governor Whitmer, and they almost had their whole life thrown away for, I don't want to, people said they did nothing wrong.
	I don't know if about the case.
	They didn't do anything criminal, obviously.
	And yet they were going to have their entire life destroyed and obliterated.
	So yeah, strip them of their funding.
	Realistic?
	No.
	The right choice?
	Yes.
	Thank you.
	Hi, Mr. Kirk.
	How are you?
	So earlier in your speech, you said that one in five Americans, now one in five people in this country will be illegal.
	Yes.
	You were in three years.
	You proposed that securing our borders will help this situation, but I also think that our green card slash citizenship problem processes a problem.
	So how do you suggest that we make it easier for people who want to get in this country legally to do that?
	Yeah, well, first of all, thank you.
	I agree with part of that.
	I don't think, so there's this idea that we have to make it easier to get into the country.
	I probably agree with that.
	So I think that we should have a moratorium on immigration right now.
	I think we got to slow down.
	We have way too many people coming into America.
	We got to throttle back and digest the meal.
	We got to allow assimilation to happen.
	We have way too many people coming into America.
	Now, that's not saying legal immigration shouldn't go up again.
	I think it could be a phenomenal asset to America, and it has been a phenomenal asset.
	But many times in American history, specifically the 1950s and early 1960s, we ratcheted back to almost zero immigration into America.
	The reason is post-World War II, of course, there was a lot of damage in other places, but there was plenty of people that wanted to come to America in the 1950s, a ton.
	Think about it.
	Europe is destroyed.
	But they said, we have a moral obligation to World War II veterans to make sure they have good wages, good jobs, and we're going to deliver for them.
	That was a moral argument, right?
	And so legal immigration should always be viewed to the prism.
	Does it benefit the country and the citizens that are already here?
	Currently, our legal immigration system is so messed up that we prioritize the people that don't share Western values, and we don't bring the people that could potentially share Western values.
	I'll give you an example.
	The best example of how our legal immigration system is messed up is Minneapolis.
	Have you been to Minneapolis in the last five years?
	It is unrecognizable.
	Now, people call me a racist for saying this.
	I'm not.
	I don't care.
	I'm going to say it anyway.
	When you have a call to prayer approved by a Minneapolis city council, I'm going to tell you that does not mesh with American values.
	I'm sorry, it doesn't.
	And when you come into this country and you have someone like Elon Omar that talks endlessly about how awful America is, despite being a beneficiary of the generosity and benevolence of America, I say there's something fundamentally wrong with that, right?
	Now, I contrast that with some amazing immigrants that come here legally that learn the pledge and they mesh beautifully into American society.
	So where's the balance?
	Right now, we have to slow down, throttle it back.
	We're doing things way too quickly.
	Our green car system has a million people coming in every single year.
	So I think that we need to have an English test to come into America.
	I think that there should be, that certain countries should be prioritized over other countries.
	I think certain countries share Western values, and we should be unafraid to say that.
	It's a thought crime.
	I don't care.
	All people are created equal.
	All cultures are not created equal.
	They're not.
	I'm sorry.
	The Chinese Communist Party is not an equal culture to America.
	I think there should be a moratorium of Chinese Communist Party people coming into America.
	Chinese Communist Party values are not synonymous with Western values.
	They're not.
	Instead, I want people that fit into the American experiment, fit into the story.
	And that's not a racial thing, by the way, at all whatsoever.
	I believe that Cubans can make some of the, have, and will make and do make the greatest Americans in America.
	It's not a racial thing.
	Instead, you look at it, you say, wow, is this actually making America more free and fulfilling our obligation to our fellow countrymen?
	What I just said, I get attacked wildly for.
	I don't care.
	It's true and someone needs to say it.
	And opening your borders, say anyone can come for any reason whatsoever, regardless if they speak the language, regardless that they agree with Western values, regardless of their belief in the Constitution is wrong.
	And it's destroying the country from within.
	It is.
	And you see it in Minneapolis.
	You have Elon Omar elected to public office.
	She is the mascot for an immigration moratorium.
	You see her, you're like, there's something wrong with that.
	She has nothing but negative, vile, mean things to say about America when she was rescued in a Kenyan refugee camp and brought in by our own benevolence.
	Guess what?
	Our generosity has been taken advantage over the last 20 years.
	It's time we put our citizens first.
	Thank you.
	Hi, Charlie.
	Thanks for coming.
	And thanks for everybody being in this room.
	It gives me a little bit of hope.
	But I got to say that I'm pretty discouraged.
	57 House Democrats for the state of Colorado voted to make four grams of fentanyl.
	That will kill 2,000 people.
	It's basically a ticket now.
	If we fill this bag with a pound of fentanyl, that would kill 198,000 people.
	We collected 12,000 pounds at the southern border.
	Colorado's the second highest state for drug overdoses from fentanyl.
	And we have 57 state Democrats just passed the most expansive abortion bill in the country, allowing us to abort a baby right up until like one minute before they're born.
	I'm discouraged.
	You talked about the three things we need to do.
	Sorry, sorry.
	How do we make, how can I have an impact against these kind of odds?
	And how do we make housing affordable when it's already gone past some crazy?
	Two questions.
	Okay, housing affordable.
	You got to wage war against the environmentalists because you're not able to build enough homes.
	I guarantee you that's happening in Denver.
	It's absolutely happening in California and it's happening in Arizona.
	The environmentalists want to have less new development because they think it disenfranchises some weird bird no one's ever heard of, right?
	And so we need to build more homes and we have to build them quickly.
	And we have a huge housing crisis in our country, the likes of which we have not seen in a long period of time.
	But I believe that we need to build horizontally, not vertically.
	It's one of my speeches.
	Developers don't like it when I say this, but it's true.
	The higher the building, the more liberal the voter.
	It just is.
	So, and if you are the closer to the ground you are, the more conservative you are.
	We should encourage people to spread horizontally and not vertically.
	Look at Denver.
	The higher the high rises, has Denver become less free or more free?
	It's become a dystopian nightmare.
	You guys know that.
	Now, you might say, Charlie, that's a correlation of the causation.
	Think about it.
	If you're on the 32nd floor renting, not owning, if you're not in the weeds and in the yard and understanding what it takes to grow food and to maintain the land, are you going to be more or less likely to actually be a conservative?
	The higher the building, every single study shows they become more liberal over time.
	It's happening in Phoenix, happened in Denver, happened in Atlanta, happened in Dallas, happened in Chicago, happened everywhere, and yet few people actually say that out loud.
	Whatever.
	Okay, that was housing.
	Fentanyl, look, there's no redeemable value to fentanyl.
	There isn't.
	If someone said like fentanyl can help you with something, if you can articulate that for me tonight, what fentanyl helps you with, my mind will be blown.
	It's a killer.
	Okay.
	And we have over 100,000 drug overdoses in our country for two reasons.
	Okay.
	Number one, China makes the fentanyl and they bring it across our southern border here illegally.
	Okay.
	We should sanction China until it stops and they would have it happen immediately.
	Our leaders are bought by China, so they don't do it.
	We secure the southern border.
	We can restrict fentanyl.
	And finally, we need to go more after the dealers than the users.
	I'm going to have a big speech on this.
	Users shouldn't be doing it, obviously.
	Many of them don't get to use fentanyl more than once because they get knocked out so quickly.
	But the dealers, this is why I'm such a big opponent to this like prison reform nonsense, bail reform.
	Dealers should go to prison for a very long time.
	You're trafficking that crap, jail, long time, private cell.
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	Done.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I think we have time for a couple more.
	Hey, Charlie.
	Over the last two years during COVID, I've gotten more into politics and just realizing how important that is in my life.
	As a Christian, I have friends that don't quite understand the gender ideology debate and how to interact with people of that community while being loving, but also being a fan of absolute truth.
	How do you go about that?
	Yeah, look, just don't lie, right?
	We should want the best for all people.
	I do not believe transitioning your gender is the right thing for people.
	I don't.
	I think it's a lie.
	And I think that we should tell people that suicide rates are extremely high for people that transition.
	There's 30,000 plus people in an open Facebook book, group, open Facebook group, I should say, that are regretting their transition and wish they could reverse it.
	Transitional regret is a huge thing.
	And I just think we have to stay very close to biological reality.
	And this is one of the main reasons why we in the English lexicon in the Western world have messed up what love is.
	Love is not giving people what they want.
	It isn't.
	Love is helping people get towards things that are true, good, and beautiful.
	And I do not believe assisting or subsidizing someone to chemically castrate themselves is the right thing in any way, shape, or form.
	Now, if you want to do that, you're like super like into that.
	I guess there is a pocket to do that.
	But especially when you look at children and then children without parental consent and then children without parental consent funded by the government, like what are we doing here?
	So how do we talk about this as Christians?
	We should want the best for everybody.
	I pray that someone who's struggling with gender dysphoria can have a collision course with Jesus Christ and give their life to the Lord and realize that they have been living a lie.
	I want that for them.
	I do.
	I don't wish harm upon them, but I'm also not going to lie.
	Like I'm not going to do this weird thing that people do.
	It's like, well, it's your truth.
	It's actually not.
	Like God made you a certain way.
	He made you a certain chromosomes.
	You might think you're something, right?
	And so here's the other thing, which is that people say, well, it's what they want.
	Look, we have societal boundaries against what people want all the time, right?
	The law is the wise restraint that keeps you free.
	Now, I'm not equating this morally, so I don't think they're exactly similar.
	But if we allow people to do whatever they want, we wouldn't have pedophilia laws.
	We wouldn't.
	Okay, so we draw a line there.
	All right, if we allow people to do whatever they want to do whenever they want to do it, then we wouldn't have public decency laws.
	But they're getting rid of those too, by the way.
	Like, you know, public nudity is allowed in San Francisco, which is like, of course, like the biggest problem, I guess, they're facing.
	I don't know, to allow people to walk around that way.
	So, look, it all comes down to the question of what is love, right?
	So, we as Christians understand there's four different types of love in the Greek, right?
	Eros agape, storge, and phileo, a brotherly love, a father and son love, or a mother and son love, or a fatherly, a kind of parental love, right?
	A romantic love, or a sacrificial love, right?
	And we conflate all those in the Western world all the time.
	I believe firmly, and you look at the transition regret, and it will take your breath away at how many people wish they did not transition.
	So, what happens is they get a transition and they're happy for like five years, and it goes off a cliff completely.
	All the psychological data shows that.
	So, the question really is, you know, Charlie, what do you think our role is this?
	Look, I said it earlier.
	You want to do whatever you want to do?
	Like, you want to be a vegan?
	You want, like, it's not my business, right?
	However, don't ask me to now reconfigure society that's worked pretty brilliantly for the last 2,000 years because of your own personal opinion.
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	That is pandering to a hyper-vocal minority that will never be appeased.
	Two separate issues, right?
	So, I could go back and forth, like, what is good.
	You saw that earlier.
	But the separate issue that shouldn't be a question is what we actually do with society, okay?
	Then, from a Christian perspective, all things with grace and all things with truth.
	100% grace.
	We want people to be born new, but do not lie.
	Do not lie.
	And that includes calling somebody something that they aren't.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	Earlier, you mentioned the U.S. turning into the Soviet Union.
	Given the meteoric rise of anti-white and anti-American rhetoric in left-wing circles, do you believe this language is being used with the intent to turn everyday Americans into kulaks?
	Kulaks.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Let me tell people what a kulak is.
	So a kulak was a farmer in the 1930s that owned like an acre of land in the Soviet Union.
	And they were once friends of the regime, of the Stalin regime, and immediately they became enemies, where anyone that owned land immediately got thrown to gulags and thrown to all sorts of different types of areas.
	Yeah, look, so I'll say this.
	I oppose bigotry in every single form, and I also oppose bigotry against white people.
	And it really bothers me how people are allowed to say that like openly, like the bigotry against white people.
	Like, oh, yeah, stop acting so white.
	Or I don't like white people.
	I think that's wrong.
	Like, we should, it's wrong against no matter what skin color you say with that.
	So I just wanted to introduce with that.
	Do I think it's a strategy to turn people into kulaks?
	I don't know.
	That might be a step too far.
	It could be.
	But do I think that there's a deliberate campaign to try to create an enemy?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Every Soviet, every Soviet or totalitarian or tyrannical movement needs an other, right?
	It needs a movement where they can try and say they're the problem and we need to demonize them.
	I believe it's less racial at times and it's more value-based and it's definitely Judeo-Christian.
	They want anything that is rooted in Judeo-Christianity to be the enemy and to try to wipe it out altogether.
	So kulaks are one of the worst, was one of the worst chapters in Soviet history.
	So people could learn a lot from it.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	We'll do three more.
	Charlie, you spoke about immigration, about 20% of our population being Native Americans.
	I've traveled to Sweden four times.
	Yep.
	And in 1970, he had a social prime minister by the name of Olaf Palm, who led a immigrant, in other words, Finland, from Somalia, from Iraq.
	And the Malays could not be assimilated into Swedish society.
	They form ghettos and it backfired on Olaf Palm.
	He was assassinated by some male immigrant.
	So, what's the question?
	Don't you think that we need more immigration?
	You know, do you think we need to find more border patrols?
	Have our right of work?
	Yeah, that's been my whole deal.
	Yeah, look, I think we need restricted immigration.
	I said that earlier.
	And I think we need to take a pause to allow this mass influx of people into America an opportunity to assimilate and to see whether or not this is actually benefiting the American citizen, the American worker.
	What you talk about in Sweden is absolutely true.
	The Swedish Democrats, which is the conservative party in Sweden, is there set for a huge electoral landslide because of mass immigration.
	Thank you for your question.
	I'm sorry.
	We got to get to the next one.
Hunter Biden and Psychedelics 00:05:12
	Thank you, Charlie, for coming.
	I have edited this question down, and I'll try to get to the point.
	What do you think is, what is your opinion about the use of psychedelic drugs in relative terms to therapy?
	I know it's a controversial topic.
	I don't know enough about it.
	Let me be very clear.
	I'm not in favor of the legalization of weed.
	I was against it when it happened.
	I'm against it now.
	I think that weed does not improve the human condition.
	I think it makes you less free, not more free.
	Not a popular opinion to say here in Colorado.
	I don't care.
	I'm going to say things that are true.
	I personally, visiting Colorado my whole life, the moment you legalize weed, this place becomes messier, dirtier, less enjoyable the minute that you guys legalize weed.
	However, that's not the question, right?
	I don't know enough about psychedelic drugs or their potential therapeutic sort of benefits.
	I will say, ketamine therapy, which is intravenously administered, is a type of psychedelic.
	It is a mushroom.
	And there's some phenomenal data to show that ketamine therapy, given intravenously, can help people with alcohol addiction, depression, anxiety.
	So in a controlled medical environment, I actually support the introduction of some of these, but that's not like some people will say like LSD.
	I think that's all a bunch of garbage.
	But ketamine in particular is technically a psychedelic, which is a very, very promising new kind of thing on the block, if you will, that's helping people break through depression, anxiety, and all of that.
	But I think we got to be really careful going too far east, if you will, into some of this stuff.
	I know people's lives that have been so damaged by ayahuasca.
	It's not a joke, everybody.
	Do not do it.
	Ayahuasca is a psychedelic.
	It's done in Central and South America.
	People are opening up.
	If you don't know what Ayahuasca is, watch the Vice documentary.
	I bet a lot of the kids know who Ayahuasca.
	I'm probably mispronouncing it, but that's a psychedelic.
	And they say it's for medical purposes, and I'd seen it destroy people's lives.
	I didn't anticipate talking about psychedelics tonight, but thank you for the question.
	I appreciate it.
	Okay, last question.
	How are you, Charlie?
	I wanted to ask you about last year's October surprise, the Hunter Biden laptop.
	Okay, sure.
	So now that we have liberal institutions like the New York Times recognizing its veracity, I think we know the content.
	Hunter Biden receiving $4.8 million in consulting fees from a Chinese company and being part of a being a board member in Burisma, receiving $80,000 a month for a job that he's not qualified.
	I was wondering, since you do a podcast, you're in contact with a lot of politicians and a lot of people active in the Republican movement.
	I was wondering if, you know, given the trends that we see electorally, it does seem that the Republican Party is to win the House and the Senate back this upcoming election cycle.
	I was wondering, what is the possibility that there isn't going to be a special counsel, a redux of the Mueller situation, if that does happen in this upcoming cycle?
	Probably low.
	It's definitely warranted.
	So let me just kind of get into some palace intrigue, some stuff what's happening actually with this current regime.
	Another thing you're seeing is by mistake, all the CNN headlines now covering the Hunter Biden thing extensively.
	Joe Biden has become unuseful for the current power structure.
	They gave him a year.
	They'll see how he did.
	His numbers are in the tank.
	He's being blamed for everything.
	And that's a reason why they are now resurrecting or it's not resurrecting.
	They're accelerating this probe that was kind of on the fringes.
	Look, the New York Times and CNN and all these news outlets didn't just come to one day say, you know what, we really messed up.
	And we, no, they did it because there's a commandment that's been given from the interagency communication channels of people who actually went our government, like Barack Obama and Valerie Jarrett and these other people, where they got to be able to check and balance Biden.
	My personal opinion, they're going to use the Hunter Biden probe that very well might implicate Joe Biden criminally as a way to get him not to run for a second term.
	I don't think he was going to run anyway, but this is the way they can keep him in the box and either transition power to Kamala Harris eventually or have someone like Michelle Obama run.
	Joe Biden is a problem.
	It's not a problem that's getting better anytime soon.
	So, and people don't give up power easily.
	So they have to use the same deep state that spied on Trump, that went after Trump, the same deep state now to check and balance Biden to make sure that he's going to be completely obedient and not run for a second term.
	We know that these people committed massive crimes.
	It's just beyond comprehension.
	There's three types of crimes that were committed.
	Hunter Biden committed crimes.
	Joe Biden committed crimes, in my personal opinion.
	The third thing is even worse, though, that they made America's national security in jeopardy to make money.
	That's worse than just corruption.
	Okay.
	There's a T word for that.
	But you read the go read the emails, read it yourself.
	They made policy changes based on contracts.
	That's bad.
	Okay.
	That's not like I'm going to invite you to a state dinner at the White House and get a check.
	Okay.
	No, whatever.
	Okay.
	That's corrupt.
	But no, this is like I'm going to change American policy based on a financial incentive that I'm receiving.
	But don't be fooled, everybody.
	The DOJ didn't wake up one day and all of a sudden say, you know, we should really go after the Hunter Biden thing.
	This is done in harmony.
	It's orchestrated to try and remove a deeply unpopular president who obviously doesn't speak well and all this.
Thank You for Listening 00:01:53
	We all know that stuff, right?
	We all know that's happening.
	And they're not seeing any sort of path towards resolution.
	His numbers are at 38% approval rating, lower than any other president in recent memory or history.
	They're not going up anytime soon.
	And they're freaking out.
	They want to try to have a reset of the American left-wing agenda.
	And this is one of their ways to try to do it.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	So, all right, everybody.
	I want to reiterate: help out the students that are being forced to get vaccines.
	Ridiculous.
	Contact CU.
	Stand up for them.
	It's out of control.
	Stand for what you believe in.
	Do not allow the lies to impact your life or monopolize your life.
	You have a decision to make?
	Like, am I going to continue to conform and to kind of live in secret or in quiet?
	Or did I hear something tonight that might compel me to be an outspoken conservative, libertarian, whatever patriot to fight for the country?
	Turning Point USA, we're doing that every single day.
	You guys can come to our events.
	We have our Young Women's Leadership Summit, Biological Women Only, tpusa.com/slash YWLS.
	You can guys come to our student action summit, tpusa.com/slash SAS.
	I want to thank our amazing hosts that help make this happen.
	It's very difficult to do this on a college campus.
	Finally, if you guys want to rewatch this, you could do it on our YouTube rumble or subscribe to my personal podcast.
	I feel the rise of the citizen all across the country, everybody.
	Normal, everyday people of all ages, all backgrounds, all races are rising up in a meaningful and impactful way to take back what is rightfully theirs and ours, which is the country.
	They work for us.
	We do not work for them.
	And if we keep on fighting and press forward, we're going to see some amazing results and we're going to see this country back to where it belongs.
	God bless you guys.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
	Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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Chapters

00:00:00 Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show
00:02:22 Why I Believe What I Believe
00:18:15 Inflation and Radical Politics
00:30:06 States Rights and Democracy
00:45:35 The Purpose of College
00:48:24 Debating Slippery Slopes
00:53:13 Gender Identity Questions Answered
01:00:47 Secession and Creative Options
01:15:41 Immigration and Border Security
01:24:34 Fentanyl and National Security
01:27:56 Transition Regret and Sweden
01:31:22 Hunter Biden and Psychedelics
01:36:35 Thank You for Listening