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April 7, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Ukraine, Durham, Hungary, Hunter and MORE with Jack Posobiec
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The Katyn Massacre Revealed 00:08:44
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I found a man on the side of the street.
He calls himself Jack Pesobic.
I was wandering around outside.
I was looking for some relief factor.
Is that right?
If I could find some relief factor somewhere, somewhere, where could it be?
If there's a play, if you ever need Relief Factor, come to our studio.
We have boxes.
It was one of those cartoons, you know, when it's like wafting through the air, like when they put the apple pie on the open window.
But it was Relief Factor, and I knew, I knew I could follow it and find the one and only.
That's right.
And Andrew's running an Iron Man.
Andrew's running an Iron Man.
And then he was running laps around the building.
And he's doing an ultramaris now.
Is that what he's doing?
Yeah.
So he's like, Jack, it's inside.
And then he came by again.
So, Jack, I really didn't, there's a lot that we can get into here.
I really don't have a clear direction.
I mean, there's like 500 stories I have in front of one.
I have a question.
So, you know, you know, I did, I was, I was at Guantanamo.
You know, I'm familiar with the interrogations there.
My question for Charlie Kirk is, how much money do you donate on the side to Media Matters to get them to promote this show so heavily every day?
No, it's, I think I figured it out.
That's what it's got to be.
Yeah, I can't even keep up with it.
People have to send it to me.
It's like every single clip that they cover.
It's great.
It's phenomenal publicity.
And I got to say, Media Matters, you know, they're awful, but they take your words and they just put them up there.
Right, exactly.
Unlike, you know, some of these other outlets, they're like, this is what Charlie said.
I was like, it's actually pretty accurate.
And like, you're right, because you get some people, they kind of divide up what you say and you're like, well, I was, no, I was making a broader point or, you know, whatever the context.
They actually don't play that game.
They just say, here's what it is.
Do you read it?
And it's like, they're like people on Twitter, these blue and on guys do the same thing.
And it's like, well, I just read it as like the greatest hits now.
So it's like, hey, what's going on in the movement?
You know, if I don't have time to listen to like everybody's talking about it.
Or like the spiciest take.
Yeah.
It's like whatever the spiciest take was.
And they go, oh, yeah, that's funny.
Yeah, that's a good one.
So I want to play this tape here.
I'm a big Victor Davis Hanson fan.
We had him on our podcast.
Yes.
Speaking of which, we got to get that video up, guys.
It was a great conversation.
So you sent me this clip privately yesterday.
And Victor Davis Hansen, who I think is like the premier intellectual on the new right.
I think he's like the top.
He really is.
And his knowledge of history and the classics is incredible.
He said this in Cut 57.
And I want you to connect this to today with things we might be seeing, Play Cut 57.
Well, we always do that.
I mean, in World War II, as you know, the Soviet Union, when they divided up Poland, they butchered the NKVD, The military and secret police of the Soviet Union went in and murdered 22,000 Polish officers.
And that was a fact.
And the Germans, then, when they uncovered the graves, they tried to publicize that.
And in the United States, FDR went around and squashed Polish-American radio stations from beaming the truth because he thought it would hurt the war effort.
So we were perfectly fine.
We didn't find out the actual perpetrators in the common culture until the 1960s.
So that's a clip from American thought leaders hosted by the great Jan Yakelek and the Epoch Times.
And so the way that he's prefaced the question is: we're seeing all this news every day of the war effort and yes, the war in Ukraine, but it's even a broader topic of wars and the way they're covering it.
Is this cultural war too applicable?
Cultural war, whatever you want to call it.
And it's this idea that when the U.S. government decides to kind of put their foot on the pedal of supporting one side or another, that they will use the organs of the state.
They'll use their relationships with media.
They'll use whatever levers of power that they can find to be able to wash away sort of these sins of anyone that they view as their allies in order to demonize the people that are against.
So what he's talking about there is, and I say this as a guy who's Polish-American, that that was the Katyn massacre.
So the cotton forest early on before the United States entered the war, early about, actually we're coming up on the anniversary of it.
It was April 1940, right after the Soviet Union, a couple months after the Soviet Union had carved up their half of Poland.
They went in, they took up all the intelligentsia of Poland, the leaders, the thought leaders, the generals, the admirals, exported them, essentially deported them, routed them up, deported them into Russia, and then systematically slaughtered every single one of them, killed them all in the forest, mass graves, 22,000.
In fact, one of them, and so this was prior to the KGB, there was this organization called the NKVD, which is sort of the World War II era equivalent of the KGB, directed directly from Stalin.
And there was actually one executioner, Vasily Bolcezyk, and it's recorded, or at least reported, that he was personally responsible for killing 7,000 people in that forest.
But this created a huge problem years later because when Operation Barbarossa comes through, the Germans declare war on the Soviet Union.
The Nazi army is the one, the Wehrmacht, is coming through Poland.
They get to this forest at this point when they're coming through Russia and they find this huge mass grave of Poles.
And of course, the Nazis are like, hey, this is a war crime we didn't do for once, right?
You know, because they've got Auschwitz and everything is set up all unspeakable backfields in Poland.
And they said, wait a minute, we didn't do this one.
And they're trying to figure it out.
And they realize that it's just as the Poles have been saying, and the Poles are saying this all along, the same way the Polish had intelligence officers inside Auschwitz sending out intelligence reports the entire time saying what was going on in there, the truth of what was going on in there.
And so, but it wasn't being heard, right?
And it wasn't being heard because they said it was Polish.
And then when it came to this massacre, well, it wasn't heard because this, oh, well, no, no, no, the Soviet Union are the good guys.
We're on their side.
And so you can't believe that.
That's German propaganda.
And so we can't believe that.
Even though the Poles are saying, look, no, no, no, no, you understand from our perspective, we hate both of them, right?
You know, we're the ones who are called middle here, right?
So it doesn't make you, you know, pro-German to say this is just actually true because it was committed by the Soviets.
Years and years and years later, finally, the truth came out and it was later admitted to.
There's actually a lot of Polish Americans, civic groups, and community groups here in the United States will come together and put together memorials and monuments to this massacre because it's so uncovered and it's just so unknown throughout most of the Western world and throughout most of Europe that this was even done because the propaganda all the way back in the 1940s was so strong in terms of covering this up.
And so when I look at mainstream media today and when I see these massive efforts and these huge cultural pushes domestically, when I see these foreign policy things going on around the world, you know, I always say we have to take this with a healthy dose of skepticism when the mainstream media and the uniparty is coming to you and saying, you have to believe this.
You have to understand this.
You have to react to this.
You have to respond to this immediately rather than stepping back and saying, well, hold on, let's try to figure out.
And that's, you know, whether it goes from one of these, you know, remember the mostly peaceful riots, mostly peaceful protests that were actually riots.
Skepticism of Mainstream Media 00:03:28
I go out to Chaz in 2020 and I say, this thing isn't peaceful.
You guys are showing up for five minutes.
I remember Chaz was the exact same way.
I would go there.
Correction.
Exact same way in terms of coverage.
Obviously, not the exact same way.
Thank you, Media Matters, Justin Baranga, and all the guys who love to watch this show.
Non-stop.
It's the same way in terms of coverage.
And that's what I'm talking about here because you would go in the daytime and the MSM would, you know, just like here, set up the lights, set up these beautiful cameras, and they do a report and say, look how peaceful it is.
And people are hanging out and there's free drugs and free love.
And Mayor Jenny Durkin, former Mayor Jenny Durkin of Seattle, says, oh, it's this perfect, you know, this summer of love.
It's going to be a peaceful protest.
We're all going to have a great time.
Well, I go there with my brother, with a couple of guys.
We've got cameras.
We're undercover.
And yeah, during the daytime, it was mostly okay.
But don't you come in and be, for example, a street preacher.
Everyone who's been to any major city has seen street preachers before.
They're these guys.
They come in.
They might have like a megaphone or, you know, a kind of like a loudspeaker or like a guitar amp and a mic that they've set up.
And they're just, they're just preaching the good news, right?
They're just standing there in a corner.
They're not bothering anybody, right?
They're not getting anybody's face.
And you can stand there, you can donate, you can talk to them, but they're harmless.
That's my point.
They're harmless.
And, you know, speaking as a Christian, obviously, I'm someone who is very supportive of such activity, especially in places like Times Square.
They assaulted the street preacher in Chaz.
We got that on footage.
They were choking him out and they drug him out of Chaz by his arms and feet.
Mainstream media never showed any of that because to them it's a narrative industrial complex is what it is.
I think VDH and your kind of phenomenal telling that story, Jack, is really important for people to take pause.
Sometimes it's not what you're being told.
And there is a black propaganda campaign that has been happening on a lot of these different issues.
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So let's just get back to the basics.
People have lives.
They have kids.
FBI Sanctions and Suspicion 00:15:00
You know, they have things that are more important than this.
So John Durham is a special counsel that was appointed by Bill Barr.
It's amazing, by the way, that we have a special counsel investigation going on at this level.
He's investigating the lawyers who are working directly for the Clinton campaign and the DNC.
He's also investigating the FBI and potentially some elements of the CIA.
And yet this is nowhere in the headlines.
Like, we have to remind people that this special counsel is even going on.
That's such a good point.
But special counsel Mueller was like the top story every day.
And you were just talking before about, you know, the narrative industrial machine.
That's exactly what this is because the greatest power, one of the actual greatest powers of the mainstream media, isn't just propaganda.
It's omission.
It's story selection.
It's what they choose to talk about, what they choose to make you focus on.
Like, did you know there's a civil war going on in Ethiopia right now?
And 500,000 people have been killed in like the last 16 months there?
Oh, come on.
500,000?
500,000.
That's a lot.
100,000 people.
Murdered or is that with salmon and displacement and stuff like that?
It's both.
That's a lot.
I didn't know that.
500,000 dead.
I consider myself well informed.
I didn't know that.
So Tedros, who is Ethiopian, has talked about this.
Oh, the global health guy?
Right.
And so he talks about it a lot.
But then it's interesting because when he mentions it, this is the one thing that he talks about that nobody seems to pay attention to.
And so I'm not trying to diminish that in any way, but what I'm saying is, is there's always massive, horrific suffering going on in the world.
And if the media isn't talking about it, we don't know about it.
So, okay, so Durham, he's there.
He's got a lot of authority to look into things.
There's been some developments recently.
We know that Democrat operatives.
We know that Democrat operatives had a back channel to the White House and White House communications and internet data.
We know that.
That kind of got glossed over.
What's the latest out of Durham?
So the latest out of Durham is this.
And so people need to understand, you know, what is it?
So we get it, right?
We get that it was a hoax.
We get that it was planted by the Clinton campaign.
We get that Fusion GPS and these various cutout organizations were used.
Okay, sure.
But the devil's in the details, as they always say.
And that's what this is all about.
It's going through the details.
So it doesn't matter what you know.
It matters what you can prove in court.
And that's exactly what Durham is doing.
He's finding provable material falsehoods that he knows can trigger that federal law about lying to the FBI.
This is the same law, by the way, that General Michael Flynn, when he was the National Security Advisor, that he was charged with.
He was later pardoned.
It did look like that thing was going to go away, though, because they couldn't actually prove it when it came down to this.
It was sort of this reading of a 302.
And so what's so in the Flynn case, we didn't actually have a recording of the conversation.
So it came down to did they lie?
Did they change this report, right?
The FBI doesn't actually record their interviews.
That's why if anybody out there, just good practice, if you get contacted, the first words out of your mouth better be lawyer.
Lawyer, lawyer, lawyer.
Do not talk to the feds without a lawyer.
Shut up and get your lawyer, right?
That's just good practice because if you were in the crosshairs, they are going to find a way to pin something on the bottom of the bottom.
And that was one thing I think Flynn admits he would have done differently.
100%.
So, but like, what's the latest?
And what is this final thing?
They sprung that on him because he thought it was like a liaison meeting.
He didn't think he was.
Peter Struckströck's mother.
Right, Peter Struck.
So this, what's amazing is all that work that we had to do in the Flynn case of getting to the truth of that.
Charlie, this is what's amazing.
The lie to the FBI wasn't in a verbal conversation.
Do you know what the lie was?
A text message.
Well, who's lied to the FBI?
Good question.
So it's this guy Sussman.
You've heard the name Sussman.
Michael Sussman was a lawyer for Perkins Coyote.
He's been indicted, though, right?
This is the indictment in him.
This is the new evidence that's coming out in the indictment.
This lie was in a text message.
He goes to the FBI, James Baker, the general counsel, and he says to him, I've uncovered information about a plot between the Trump campaign and Russia, and specifically this Trump organization.
He's saying this to the FBI.
He's sending this.
He's saying this to the FBI.
While he's being paid by Hillary.
While he's being paid by Hillary, while he's on contract with Hillary.
But what he specifically says, and we have the text message now.
So this isn't one of those things where you can say, oh, he didn't mean it that way.
The text says, I am not doing this on behalf of a client.
I just want to help the Bureau.
Which was a total lie.
Complete lie.
Yeah.
And so he was paid to do that.
He was paid by Hillary to do it.
And Mark Elias, who was like the general counsel for the same campaign.
Yeah, it might have been Perkins Coyote.
Yeah, Perkins Coy.
You're exactly right.
The Durham thing really seems to be heating up.
Like, I'm just going to throw it out there.
If you're going to lie to the FBI, don't do it in a text message that's recoverable, that can show up in a court record, because guess what?
That's just what happened to you, Michael Sussman.
You just got caught, and that's a headshot.
He's the bad man in some ways.
I really hope he starts to rat out the people that were behind him.
We know who was behind him.
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Okay, a little bit more on Durham.
Anything else we want to cover on that?
Well, so I think people need to understand that it's also broadening beyond.
Like, so people say, well, who's this guy, Sussman?
Like, you have to explain.
I don't know that name.
Where's John Brennan?
Where's Peter Strzok?
Where's some of these people?
Yeah, it's kind of like overly detailed.
Yeah, like, why do you have to explain all this stuff to even get an understanding of who he is?
But I want to put two things into context for people on this.
Number one, the fact that this is even happening at all, the fact that this is even going to court, that it's going to be put, what is being put before a judge, that he will see a trial, right?
This is massive.
That is something that if you understand the context of where we are at this point in the movie, right?
To be able to get something like this is a monumental Herculean task because you've clearly got massive, massive exigencies, the entire organic state against you.
The entire national security state, the entire apparatus of that is against this going through, which is the flip side of Mueller, who had all the resources and all the support in the world from every institution in America.
So the fact that you've got now a counter force, hopefully, and this, you know, this is where, and I, I, you know, obviously people are very critical of Bill Barr, but I think one of his reasons for appointing Durham, and he did, right?
We have to point that out, is that he wanted there to be this idea of a counterbalance to Mueller.
So I want to play some sound here.
Let's play Cut 61, latest Durham filing, play cut 61.
We know that a text message may be the answer special counsel John Durham was looking for after all.
He claims a newly released text proves former Clinton campaign attorney Michael Sussman was untruthful to the FBI.
Sussman pleaded not guilty to lying to the FBI, specifically to then FBI general counsel James Baker during a September 2016 face-to-face meeting.
Durham claims that Sussman brought Baker the information he knew was suspect about Donald Trump's campaign, communicating with a Kremlin-connected bank.
The information bill did not pan out.
Did not pan out.
Whoa, whoa.
Talk about burying the lead.
The information was falsified.
It was a false operation from the start, the start, that Michael Sussman himself played a role in, as well as the tech billionaire Rodney Jaffa.
It didn't just play it out.
I was like, bro, you're missing the big part of the story here.
Play cut 62.
In a text message released publicly late Monday night, Sussman texted Jim.
It's Michael Sussman.
I have something time-sensitive and sensitive I need to discuss.
Do you have availability for a short meeting tomorrow?
I'm coming on my own, not on behalf of a client or company.
Want to help the Bureau thanks the reason that this may advance the ball for the prosecution in a meaningful way is it's almost like a transcript.
It's a written statement by the person who is accused of making a false statement to the FBI, which contains the essence of what the government says the deception is.
Jack?
Well, and there you go, right?
Andy McCarthy spot.
I actually hadn't heard Andy McCarthy on that.
And, you know, it's what he's saying is that when he mentions a transcript, that's what he's referring to.
That's what the FBI would refer to as a 302, a custodial transcript of an interview that was held.
Now, you don't need a 302 because there wasn't an interview.
This was a text message.
Let's think about it.
Is that the reason he probably put that in writing is he might not have got the meeting if he didn't put that in writing.
Is that probably fair?
He's trying to get the meeting.
He's trying to persuade someone to come.
He said, This is the general counsel of the entire FBI.
So he's trying to backstop it.
It's so incestuous.
Just think about it.
Who has the general counsel, the FBI's film?
Like, because Charlie, think about it, right?
It's weird.
Like, let's say the average citizen comes across what they believe is, you know, see something, say something, right?
Evidence of a crime or something that seems suspicious to them.
They're not going to call up the, you know, and have a text message relationship with the general counsel of the FBI.
No, they're going to find their local FBI field office.
They're going to put it in.
They're going to say, hey, you know, it gets ignored.
Right, right.
It'll probably be ignored, but it's, hey, something crazy happened, you know, or, you know, saw a kidnapping, whatever it is, right?
Something that would broach the, you know, that sort of federal jurisdiction.
And so this, he's trying to get the meeting.
He wants to push that ball forward.
This is a lawyer acting as a lobbyist for the Clinton campaign to get a campaign launch.
Keep in mind, this is September of 16, right?
So you're in the final days of the election at this point.
You're going right into October.
No, and this is an interesting thing.
This is the final moment.
Look at the timeline.
It really goes to show that they were really worried they were going to lose.
This is the desperation.
More so than I think they realized.
Even more so than I think we even as Republicans and conservatives realize.
I've long said that in my mind, right, the way that I've always viewed it going down is like Hillary knew that the investigation of her, because keep in mind, that's the context, right?
That her emails were investigation, under investigation, there was the server, then the Wiener laptop gets found out in like the last minutes of the election, the investigation gets reopened.
That's right.
And so I always kind of viewed it as something like her sitting there and saying something along the lines of, well, they're putting me under investigation.
I want to put him under investigation.
And so that there would be, instead of saying, instead of like winning the election, we're not going to win the election in Wisconsin.
We're going to make you lose.
Right.
So we're going to hurt you so that we're not going to raise ourselves.
But doesn't it make you think, how many times have they done this in decades prior?
Like what other investigators?
Charlie, you don't have to listen to me about this.
You can go and read David Brock's original book, The Media Matters Guy.
He's now the Media Matters guy.
But before all of this, he was an anti-Clinton operative in Arkansas, and he wrote the original book about Troopergate, when Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas and Hillary Clinton was the first lady of Arkansas and the way that they used the corruption of the state trooper program there in Arkansas for their own personal interest.
And it was David Brock.
It was none other than the very same David Brock who did that investigation and wrote that book.
And the Clintons, in true Clintonian fashion, they were like, this guy's really good at this stuff.
Let's bring him on board.
All right.
So I want to shift gears here for a second.
There's some news out of Hungary.
What's happened in Hungary recently, Jack?
Is this just some news?
I may have seen something.
Yeah, massive landslide victory and election going into, so the fourth election, going into a fifth term for Viktor Orban, the Fidej Party, which is this populist, the nationalist populist party, really one of the leading nationalist populist parties in Europe.
We have another one in Poland called Law and Justice.
And what he's done in this election, so number one, every European pollster has now just been made a fool because they kept saying this is a close election.
We're within striking distance.
We're very close.
Like when you read the internal campaign polls that get send out to fundraisers and donors, they say, oh, we just need five more points.
Yeah, you were 20 points down.
He won by 20 points.
It wasn't even close.
There were like only three localities in all of Hungary.
Like you look at that map and it's just, it's all Orban.
It's all his party for the entire time.
What does he stand for?
Why does the Western press hate him so much?
So they hate him.
The Western press hates him.
Political Europe hates him.
The EU is now talking about putting more sanctions on Hungary.
They've sanctioned Hungary already?
Well, they sanctioned them before.
Now they're sanctioning him again.
The immigration standard.
And they're saying it's over immigration.
They're saying it's over rule of law.
They're saying it's over him trying to find neutrality between Russia-Ukraine.
The fact that obviously Hungary, like many European nations, gets the majority of their gas or a huge chunk of their gas from Russia, from this gas prom monopoly.
A lot of this stuff, by the way, is about breaking the gas prom monopoly, as I know you know.
And so they're going after Orban.
What does he stand for?
He stands for nationalism.
He stands for borders.
He stands for sovereign national identity for his people and standing up for a new type of conservatism, Charlie, where it's not about tax cuts for corporations, right?
It's this idea of taking the smallest unit possible, the family, as well as direct subsidies for family creation.
Is that correct?
100%.
And actually, when I was at One American News, I had the opportunity to interview the Minister of Health and Families, who is now the president of Hungary, Kalin Novak, on this and on this policy right when it was being put into place.
So the idea is, you know, China had the one-child policy, right?
And I used to live in China.
So now Hungary is coming out and saying, no, no, no, we have the four-child policy, right?
Family Subsidies and Borders 00:06:33
So everybody.
Have they turned their birth rates around?
It hasn't been an immediate success in terms of this.
You know, they haven't seen the statistics of it.
But when you look at the people that are actually entering the program, it's extremely popular.
And they also super strict immigration.
Is that correct?
You just can't flow into Hungary.
It's the same situation, right?
When you look across the West, the birth rates are down.
And so the bean counters in the bureaucracies of all of the EU, of Brussels, of Washington, D.C., they look at this and they say, hey, we've got a population problem.
What happens when this population bomb goes off?
And most countries said, well, we want mass immigration.
We want to open the floodgates.
And Biden's DHS, they know, by the way, they call it mass irregular migration that's about to come when Biden repeals Title 42.
Title 42.
So we have the DHS.
Breitbart leaked the documents.
Internally, DHS knows that this is going to happen.
They say we're at 200,000 crossing now.
We're here in Arizona border state.
It could double.
It could double.
400,000 a month.
That's per month, Charlie.
And so what Hungary is doing is turning around and say, no, no, no, we don't want mass immigration.
We think that's destabilizing for our country.
We think it's destabilizing for our culture.
What we're going to try to do, and it might be slower, it might not be an easy button.
It might be harder, but we think it's going to be better for us and for our people in the long run to increase and grow and strengthen our families here of the people who live here now, who speak our language, who share our history, who share our values, and then increase the number of that through, yes, the power of the federal government by creating new government structures that actually support family formation.
And even they went into and did studies to understand what it is that prevents people from attaining family formation.
So homeownership is something that they're making credits for.
They give you a credit.
So they give you a credit when you get married for four kids.
But what's amazing is it's a loan that you have to pay back.
But as you have each kid all the way up to the four, the loan decreases by 25%.
And so if you have all four kids, you don't have to pay any of the loan back.
So they're looking at that.
They're also looking in terms of homeownership.
And they're even looking in terms of being able to purchase a larger vehicle, right?
So your typical four-seat vehicle, obviously, is not going to be large enough for a larger family.
That is a huge economic constraint for a lot of families out there.
And we're talking about Hungary, but obviously you could apply all of that to the United States of America, too, because a lot of this is driven from economy.
And so, you know, not that I would ever criticize the late, great Andrew Breitbart, but he had that wonderful, incredible maxim that politics is downstream from culture.
And if I would be so bold as to add something onto that, I would say that's true 100%, but also that culture is downstream from economics.
Culture is downstream from economics.
That's smart.
That's very Marxist of you, but it's true.
It is, I know.
Yeah, that's a Karl Marx belief, but it's hard to disagree.
Do you think that what happened in Hungary can be a canary in the coal mine for other populist victories looming around the corner?
Well, I think it's the model, right?
I think this is the formula that is going to resonate with so many people because you're right in the sense that, like we were saying before, like, hey, aren't those kind of sort of some left-wing kind of beliefs that, you know, that you do need to help people economically.
Well, I'm not saying that it's left-wing, but believing everything comes back to economics is definitely Marxist.
Well, I wouldn't say that everything comes back to economics, but I do think that it's something that the right has for a long time kind of eschewed this idea that there should be a public discussion of economics.
Well, but it's also, I mean, Marx believed that materialism or material is the way to understand the human condition.
And he's right in many ways.
He was right about a lot, wrong about a lot, too.
But he's wrong about his prescriptions for it because, yes, we do have a flawed human nature.
And he also presents our material.
We are sort of materialist beings.
We are made of crude material.
A smaller and smaller group of people are going to have more and more stuff.
He was right about that.
But he totally misses man's spiritual nature.
That's exactly what he said.
Totally misses religion was the opiate of the moment.
There was the opiate masses.
And then Nietzsche comes along and people misread this about Nietzsche.
He said, you're killing God.
He didn't say God instead.
He said, you're killing him.
Yeah, he didn't celebrate it.
Nietzsche was right.
Nietzsche basically saw that the West was destroying its own values.
He saw all this transgender stuff like 160 years before.
Because You take away your traditional values, your traditional moral society.
And he said you have to have something to replace it.
And you replace it with nothing.
So that's what gives you this, you know, choose your own morality.
Which is what you got with his book, Beyond Good and Evil.
Well, and then I was even going to say, take it to current events.
This is how you can get a situation with KBJ, and that Dick Durbin is out there right now saying, you know, all of this is a very important thing.
If you choose to say, if you make your decision, right?
Well, you mean like if I decide to buy an AR-15, like that's a decision, right?
The government gets involved there.
No, no, you can't do that.
No, no, no.
Oh, actually, by the way, that's actually a decision that's protected and enshrined in constitutional law.
But no, no, no, we can say everything we want about that decision.
But no, what it really is, is this, to go back to the Marxist formulation, it's this idea that there are two classes of societies: there's an oppressor class and oppressed class.
And that when a member of the oppressed class breaks a law that's been written by the oppressor class, well, it's not really their fault because they're merely responding to their own internalized oppression, whether it be internalized or externalized.
And they're actually victims of the broader social problems that we have as a country.
And so their crime should be lessened because they are victims themselves in the first instance of society.
So that's this argument.
And it seems completely backwards to anybody who ascribes to a traditional moral value system.
But if you take away that traditional moral value system from the public square, i.e., God, right?
And this is what you and I were talking about on the break: this idea that, you know, there's people who come in and even Christians, you hear this, they take the Old Testament and act as if it doesn't matter.
And then they take the New Testament not as a fulfillment and a companion to the Old Testament, but as if as if, you know, it came out so the Old Testament doesn't matter anymore.
It's like, no, no, no, no.
This is part one, part two.
Jack Pasobic, everybody.
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