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April 7, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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How They Did It—My Conversation with True the Vote's Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips
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Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
With us today are two old friends.
Proving The 2020 Election Fraud 00:07:05
We've known each other for about a decade.
Is that about right?
In the trenches, and kind of just got back in contact for one of the most important things, I think, happening in the country.
Greg Phillips, Kath and Engelbrecht from True the Vote, website, Truthevote.org.
And we're going to keep unplugging it throughout.
I just want to preface this by saying this episode and this conversation is one of the most important projects I think that's going on right now in the country.
And the way that both of you went about it, to how you looked at a massive problem, used technology, used data, took your time to actually be able to prove what happened in the 2020 election is nothing short of brilliant, truly.
And we've talked about the upcoming movie, 2000 Mules, but I really want to talk about what you guys are doing and have done through True the Vote.
And so let's just start with this.
Catherine, introduce yourself.
You've been in the voter integrity space for over a decade now.
Yes, yeah, over a decade.
Started True the Vote in Houston, Texas in 2009.
It has been a wild, wild ride ever since.
And started out very simply thinking that we just needed more volunteers to work at the polls.
One thing led to the next.
We kept peeling back layers, and now here we are, I think, on the cusp of sharing some things with America that they need to know and that's been going on for an awfully long time.
Yeah, and I mean, I could say when I first heard about what you guys were doing, Greg, you sent me a couple messages.
We chatted on the phone, and I was blown away by it.
Then we kind of lost touch.
You know, lives get busy.
And next thing you know, I'm in this room with all the Salem guys, and you're both there, and we go through all this evidence.
And I was just completely blown away.
So, Greg, introduce yourself, talk about your background, and then talk about how did you all of a sudden get looking into the 2020 election?
Been around politics since 1982, long time.
Been doing election integrity work, did my first deal in Bullock County, Alabama in 1982, literally.
A guy named Emery Fulmer was running against George Wallace in his last race for governor.
There were 147% of the voting age population both registered and voting in Bullock County.
So that was my intro to it.
After all these years and quite a few campaigns and some other things, Catherine and I founded a healthcare technology company together but sort of kept our side businesses going.
Catherine's with True the Vote, me with kind of a research company.
And as 2020 sort of came together and unfolded, I mean, the days since the day after the election or the day of to now has just been an incredible whirlwind where we've figured out how to take some high-end technology capability and apply it to these elections and come up with not only hypotheses, but now proven hypotheses.
And super excited about the outcomes.
It's great.
So we're going to go through this in great detail about how you guys came about it because this is going to be the number one story in the conservative movement for the next six to eight weeks and hopefully for months and hopefully it's a reference point.
But few people will be able to actually hear the deeper level of it, which I really want to explore with you guys.
So let's just start right there.
2020 happened.
We changed all our voting laws.
Catherine, you've been warning for a decade that dirty voting rolls is a necessary prerequisite to all sorts of other shenanigans.
You've been warning about it.
The Republican establishment didn't take it seriously.
The Democrat establishment took it very seriously because they didn't want to clean the voting rolls.
$430 million is Zuckerberg money.
Everyone gets a ballot.
And all of a sudden, in the gut, so many American voters knew something was wrong.
Theories floated everywhere, machines, you know, China hacking things.
No one was really able to put stuff together.
But what I found so interesting is how quiet both of you were right after the election.
I said, they must be looking at something.
Walk us through the hours, the days, and the weeks that followed the 2020 election, and then how you got into really this voluminous evidence.
What is nothing short of a criminal conspiracy?
Well, in the aftermath of the election, and as you rightly point out, there was a huge run-up of things that just all serve to sort of expose this weak underbelly of election process.
And our process is notoriously notoriously insecure.
But what we saw in 2020, as you point out, were all these legislative and unconstitutional fiat changes by fiat, changes by a lawsuit.
And you couple all of that with dirty voter rolls and with the mass mail out of ballots, and then drop in the $400 million plus in private monies, which went to fund many things.
But among that was the drop boxes.
And we thought that was a recipe, that was a formula that we could potentially take apart bit by bit and use technology to measure.
And That's kind of where this started.
Catherine, we ran a hotline for her during the election.
And like all hotlines, you know, you get all manner of stuff coming into the hotline.
But there are a few sort of kernels of really interesting pieces.
And what we began to put together in Philadelphia and Detroit and Wisconsin and Atlanta and even here in Arizona, we began to put together this sort of pattern that each of the challenges that everybody seemed to be most up in arms about had some basic pieces that were all the same.
You had ballot collectors, people out knocking on doors, getting.
All across the country, there was this weird pattern.
So like people in Yuma were acting the same in like Philadelphia.
Exactly.
Well, slight variations, because I'll give you, for instance, one of our target cities or target areas was Wayne County in Detroit.
Well, in Detroit, ballot harvesting was illegal and then for two weeks legal and then illegal again.
So you had variations of the theme, but broadly the theme stayed the same.
And the theme almost always was a set of collectors, a collection point or a stash house for all the ballots, the bundling of those ballots, and then the casting of those ballots by what we were calling mules in the drop boxes.
So it had each of those elements.
And as we began to sort of put the pieces and parts together, it really did dawn on us.
Well, this sounds just like what's happening in Atlanta or in San Luis, Arizona, or all these other pieces and parts that were coming together.
And it was amazing once we finally started to unpack the true grift.
And as you said, this is a conspiracy, right?
This is organized crime.
This is a real conspiracy.
An actual conspiracy.
You know, it's not about packets of information flying from Rome to the drop boxes and all.
Aggregating Data To Find Truth 00:12:22
Satellite or whatever.
Whatever.
It's not about that.
So what we were able to do was develop a hypotheses or a set of hypotheses that when data was gathered, we have more than two petabytes of data.
We have arguably more than any nation state level data.
We have more than anyone might have in terms of data.
We have video, we have our geolocation information, we have all sorts of documents.
Can I pause you really sure?
So you guys are at 501c3, all about voter integrity.
Republican Party is nowhere to be found.
Republican established nowhere to be found.
Major media companies nowhere to be found.
Law enforcement nowhere to be found.
So it's true the vote.org that's going out and getting into the weeds, raising the money to actually go find out what happened.
Exactly.
Yes.
And so, okay, if it's okay to interrupt, Greg, just the one thing that fascinates me at all this is the cell phone data.
Can you walk us through a little bit about that?
And I'd love to contextualize that for our audience.
All of our cell phones put off a set of signals.
They're mostly hidden.
So what's the code?
In fact, if you look on your phone, if you type in star pound06 pound, it's in everybody's phone.
06.
Pound, okay.
Did the numbers come up?
Like that?
Nope, star in your phone like you're going to call somebody.
Yeah, just like you're going to call somebody.
Star pound06 pound.
Like that?
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So all of those numbers are unique to your phone.
No matter what.
So even if you, wow, that's amazing.
And those numbers then are emitted with apps on your phone.
So this is like a fingerprint.
That's right.
It's unique to you.
It cannot be replicated.
That's right.
And so this is my device ID.
This is all of this.
And so based on that information, what do we know?
There's 300,000 or so apps that collect that information.
There's 27,000 apps that collect it on a prolific basis.
So like the Weather Channel app or any of your social media apps, any of your social media panel, is that right?
It's emitting a signal, and inside the signal, there are several things.
First of all, it's the lat long, like where are we on the earth, right?
So my phone's right there, and it can drill down into about 18-inch, an 18-inch diagram.
So they'll be able to see Greg, Charlie, and Catherine are here at our studio having a chat.
Yes.
Absolutely.
At this time, right?
So it's lat and long time and elevation.
On the first floor.
So are we on the first floor?
Are we on the second floor?
Where are we?
And if you combine all of those and then add time to it, we can then build the pattern of life around it.
So I came from a different building, you guys came from a meeting, and then you can kind of just trace the pings, right?
Right.
And we can tell you if that's the pattern you normally take.
We can go back years and get very, very exacting.
And that's what was necessary in this project.
So let's take a step back.
Some people say, well, hold on a second.
What are you guys hacking people's phones or something?
How is this legal?
We all give permission to these apps to collect these signals.
When you first sign into the app and you sign in and you say, yeah, I agree, you just agreed to give those signals to everyone.
So how does Greg and Catherine get the combined pings of a city?
They're in Costco or somebody?
There are data brokers out there that will, when you define a time period in a jurisdiction that you want to buy, like we wanted to buy San Luis, Arizona.
So we decided, okay, well, we're going to pull back a little bit and buy Yuma County.
And so in going to buy Yuma County, it picks up all of those signals across that period of time.
And you end up with a bunch of terabytes worth of data.
You mash it all together, build the patterns of life, draw the, let's just say there was a drop box there in the middle of that table.
We draw a circle, a polygon around the drop box.
And every time my phone comes in or out of that drop box, that's a unique vit around that drop box.
That would be a unique visit.
So did law enforcement think to do this with the 2020 election when they came out?
Krabs and bar, no fraud or anything.
Did they go look at cell phone pings and even just say, wait a second, were there repeated visits to the drop boxes?
We think they were really holding their powder drive for January 6th, because this is exactly what they did on January 6th to all those people.
They were very familiar with this data at that point.
So let me get this straight.
They used ping cell phone reconnaissance technology to be able to find out the 1,300 people that went and took selfies and stuff.
100%.
What's really interesting about this is...
Is it foreign to them, okay?
No, right now.
No, this type of technology is used every day in law enforcement, but it's also aptly called marketing data because it's how you get served up ads.
Sure.
So this is widely used.
As uncomfortable as that may be, we're all being tracked.
What we actually think happened on the January 6th piece was this is not simple, right?
I mean, you have to aggregate the pings, you have to buy the pings, you have to disassemble them, order them, put them in some fashion, build the patterns of life.
And this is not a simple task, right?
How complicated is it, Craig?
How many people?
How many hours?
What kind of...
I mean, like, build it out.
It's not some guy mining Bitcoin in a basement.
12 hours or 12 people, 16 hours a day for 15 months.
Still going on.
What kind of supercomputer do you need access to to be able to process the data?
It's funny you would say that.
We actually do have access to several very high-powered computers.
And we do most of the work in Plano, Texas, and part of the work in the high-performance computing center on the campus of Starkville, Mississippi.
That's amazing.
So for example, just some guy on the side of the street, he gets, what, two petabytes of data?
How much is that, by the way?
Man, a petabyte, you know, back in the day, I mean, you know, 25 years ago would have fit in your room.
I mean, this, it would have fit in here.
Like a half an acre almost.
Yeah.
Or like a quarter of an acre.
Yeah, it would have been giant.
So I cut you off.
So talk about the January 6th thing.
So this is a lot of work.
Yeah.
So recall what happened.
So the January 6th event was on a Tuesday.
The day after the runoff.
So it was a Wednesday, I think.
A Wednesday, right.
Yeah.
So the next day, they had allegedly already identified some of the people, gotten the convened a grand jury, and then issued arrest warrants in a matter of 72 hours.
It's not possible.
So did they have the fence of the pings ready to go?
Is that what you're saying?
They had the actual devices ready to go.
That's our supposition.
There's no other way to have done it.
We believe they were tracking people all the way back into the latter part of the election, certainly into November and early December.
So people that would be likely to go to that event, or is that correct?
Yes.
Okay, so they had a profile.
People meeting that profile, and they're tuned up and ready.
But then probably the night before, they'd be able to say, hey, 200,000 of our profiles are in town.
Right.
Right?
So they'd be like, they're around.
We weren't wrong.
So then, but what you guys did is you said, okay, you can't buy the pings for the whole planet, right?
You have a budget.
So you guys went privately and raised money, is that right?
That's right.
Because this is expensive stuff.
Incredibly expensive.
So how expensive is it?
$2 million.
Yeah, a little over $2 million.
So that's expensive, but we're dealing with a Republican establishment that raises and spends $2 billion to go get some worthless person in Congress to go pass some corrupt bills.
So it's a lot, but it's not a lot, right?
Well, I mean, considering what we felt like the result may be, which is a lot for you guys.
It's a tremendous amount for us, but it's also, it was a total gamble because we were determined to let the data show what the data was going to show.
We had a working hypothesis that if in fact the weakness in the election was going to be around these drop boxes, that we should be able to geo-fence around the drop boxes and see aberrant data patterns.
If that's true, then we're on to something.
But if not, we just spent a whole lot of money on a bunch of data that's not going to amount to anything.
But the other thing we added, it wasn't at the last minute, but it was to sort of help us get our arms around the data.
We had been receiving information from witnesses, from like erstwhile whistleblowers, people that had been involved, people that knew somebody was involved.
And we were able to identify those organizations, those stash houses.
So not only were we able to look at the drop boxes where the people were going in and out of the Dropbox, sometimes over 50 times.
In Philadelphia, we had some people, quite a few people, that went over 100 times to the drop boxes.
But they were also going to the organizations, these are the.
So it was a hub and spokes model is what you started to see, right?
This was a hub, right?
To use the analogy, Chicago O'Hare or whatever, that's where everything branched out from.
Right.
And multiples of hubs.
So in Atlanta, we had 10.
So I want to get into that in a second, but just so that our audience understands, so you guys go, you had a hypothesis based on a good amount of, at the time, disconnected firsthand.
You guys had a hotline.
You're like, well, hold on a second.
Someone just called us from Milwaukee with an eerily same story from Detroit.
That's right.
With an eerily same story from Georgia, an eerily same story in Phoenix and Tucson.
And you guys think, wait a second, the only through line that we see here is the fact that Zuckerberg spent $430 million.
There were drop boxes.
There were ballots everywhere.
If I was a criminal, wouldn't I try to manipulate and use that?
So you said, how will we ever be able to prove it, right?
In fact, the fateful moment that I just turned to you and said, how do we take down a cartel?
And that's when we began to use the term stash houses and drop points and mules and trafficking and voter abuse because that's what we're looking at.
I mean, it is shocking and sickening at the same time when you talk to some of these folks and you realize that this is just part of this is just part of the normal cycle for the people that are participating in this.
It's been going on for so long.
It certainly had happened at a level never before seen in 2020.
Everything was just, you know, catalyzed for that race.
And the rest of the challenge we had was it's one thing to be able to prove that my phone's on that table.
It's a whole nother thing if that camera proves that I was sitting here.
And we're going to get to that because I want to build that out.
So then you guys buy the $2 million worth of data and you were open-minded to be wrong, right?
You're like, maybe these were just a bunch of people that were reading all the same internet blogs.
You got a little too excited.
I used to say grandma walking by the Dropbox with her dog or something.
Well, really, so you start to begin to, you know, all life sort of follows the bell curve, right?
So you start to think, okay, well, what is so outside the norm?
What is so aberrant that it would just stick out like a sore thumb in terms of a data set?
So what would that look like?
Would that be going to the Dropbox three times, going to the four times, five times, six times?
And we want it to have such clear margins, such clear lines that we finally settled out to groups that were going, you know, in Georgia an average of 23 times.
So distinctive.
And as Greg points out, they also had to go to the NGOs.
So they had to meet both those criteria for a certain number of times for us to really drill down.
It's a non-government organization, so like a nonprofit.
So like a Stacey Abrams group, for example, would potentially apply under the umbrella.
So you guys get the data, you get a connection to a supercomputer in Starkville, Mississippi, Mississippi State, if I know my college talent well enough, right?
Good call.
And, you know, you guys start to go to work 15 months, got a bunch of guys, you know, 16 hours a day, a lot of monster, a lot of Mountain Dew.
But then all of a sudden, you guys probably start to be like, well, hold on a second.
So what was the moment in the 15 months where you say, we got something here?
Oh, that happened early.
That was probably in March or April of 2021.
And we thought, you know what?
We only need to develop this to a certain point because certainly when we show this to the election officials or to law enforcement, they are going to jump into action.
Uncovering Ballot Laundering Schemes 00:15:00
We don't have the resources.
We can't offer immunity.
We can't, you know, there's certain limitations.
So certainly if we lay this out, that will be all it takes.
And we spent the following six, seven months really being led on wild goose chases with no action.
We learned a lot along the way.
And I guess the most salient thing we learned is that we're going to have to do it ourselves.
You wanted to trust law enforcement.
The law enforcement's corrupt to the core.
Unfortunately, I still hope they act.
I think there's some good people in there, but there's a lot of bad people at the top.
So you guys go through this process and you start to see that almost identical ballot trafficking mule operations.
I think that's your term, right?
Ballot trafficking.
Is that the right word?
Exactly right.
In these cities were happening.
So then you guys say, okay, we got to aggregate this.
We got to put this together.
All the while you're being sued by every organization on the planet.
Is that correct?
Stacey Abrams, Mark Elias, the whole thing.
You got all the right friends or enemies.
Well, you got the right friends and the right enemies.
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And Greg, which one would you like us to play?
Is that Gwinnett County, Georgia?
Let's play Gwinnett County.
So, actually, before we play the video, I want to let's get into actually how you got the video because I'm actually cutting in line here.
Well, so in addition to all of the analysis that was happening, we were doing a wide sweep of all kinds of election integrity records or open records.
Video was part of that.
The federal government had come out and given guidance for all of these new drop boxes, saying that their recommendation is that in addition to a number of sort of checkpoints, video surveillance should be among them.
And so we began to submit open records to get the video.
And these videos are a product of ultimately what came back.
Although, what's interesting about what you're going to watch now is that we didn't get this until last month.
Yeah, I mean, since the first open records requests went out in probably January, and we've been fighting.
So, by law in Georgia, they had to have a camera over the ballot drop box.
Is that correct?
By rule.
By rule.
Because remember, they made up the emergency rules that allowed the drop boxes to be there at all.
So they had to have rules to go with them.
So when Raffisberger came in and signed a consent decree with Mark Elias to allow these things to happen, they had to codify some rules internally.
So the rules said you have to have these cameras, surveillance cameras on the drop boxes.
And we almost immediately started, as soon as we started asking, they started, well, we don't have it.
We can't give you an example or a reason why we don't have it.
We just don't have it.
It'll take six months to get it.
It'll be including the video you're about to see.
It took a year to produce this video, and the only reason they produced it at all is because Catherine and True de Vaux made a complaint to the Secretary of State, which would have been put in place a mechanism for them to get in a lot of trouble.
Lo and behold, the next day, I think, all of a sudden, the video is going to be.
Now, this is Gwinnett County.
So, before we play the video, though, you also suspected that that time place on the video would show you something because you had pings that showed that this individual was doing a route.
Is that correct?
And in addition to our open records efforts, we had evaluated all of the chain of custody documents.
And so, you could tell at this particular location what a typical day looked like, how many ballots they were typically getting, and then a spike.
And ballot trafficking by and large.
That's why money laundering works.
100%.
When you see the cafe that has the $9,000 breakfast, you're like, wait a second.
Yeah.
Any auditor worked, like, why did you have a big there was no one in the restaurant?
Right, right.
There's also no one looking, though, Charlie.
There's no one looking.
They produced these documents.
They didn't care.
I just want to make a side point here, and I want to ask a question: Is it true that our elections are generally unsupervised by law enforcement?
It sure seems that way.
Well, we have our own opinions about that.
It seems to me that whether it's law enforcement or anyone responsible for a process that might deliver a free, fair, and legal election, it's just not happening.
So, whether it's a supervisor of the process or law enforcement in general, they need to do that.
What we've since learned is that there were off-duty law enforcement officers that were paid for by the Republican Party that reported all of this and it was covered up.
Who'd they report it to?
The NRSC.
The National Republican Senatorial Committee.
Yes.
Okay, let's watch this video here.
This is Gwinnett County.
Is that right?
Yes.
Okay.
And we can talk over the videos that's happening because there's no sound.
Okay, so a white SUV pulls up middle of the day.
What are we looking at here, guys?
You're going to see a voter get out, or a mule get out.
So this is a mule.
This is one of your 2,000 that you've profiled?
And they've got their ballots, and they walk up to the box.
You can only fit a couple of ballots in at the same time.
Is this the state of Georgia?
Yeah.
So you're not allowed to turn in more than one, unless it's for a close relative?
That's correct.
And he's trying to figure out how to even get them into the box because he has so many he can't fit them in the little slot.
So then he starts having to put them in one by one.
Everybody's sitting there waiting on him.
Now this is illegal.
Silly?
Right.
Highly illegal to do this.
Everyone passed that first one was illegal.
Well, there is a possible in that he could have been an assistor, which would have meant he would have had a signed envelope that would have indicated that he was an assistor in that capacity.
But through our open records, we confirmed that Gwinnett County had no assistors.
So we tried to kick over everybody.
So that would have been the Washington Post.
Hey.
Oh, would have been an assistor.
You'll ultimately look at it.
So here's what we know in Gwinnett County on October the 11th from 7.30 in the morning to October 12th, a Monday morning at 7.30 or so, when they picked up the ballots.
Because of the pings, we knew that approximately 270 people went to this ballot box.
But according to the custody document, 1,962 ballots were actually deposited.
Then all of a sudden the video shows up, and now we get to go in and corroborate it.
So we sit there and we watch 24 hours of video.
Sure enough, 271 people approach that ballot box.
And like I said, 1,962 ballots show up on the video.
But if you watch the video, did you see people carrying more than sure?
But not 1,962 ballots.
Where would the discrepancy in that be then?
We don't know.
There's so many breakdowns of the process.
I'm going to tell you that story.
Well, there is a video at the end that might tell part of it.
At the end of this day, there's an interesting intersection between there are two people that are charged with going and taking the ballots out of the ballot box and putting them into bags and then taking them wherever they're going.
Those are the ones who fill out the chain of custody docs.
But on this particular day, on this Monday morning, another person comes out from underneath the camera, walks toward the two that are there, and instead of having it in a having the ballots in a blue cooler and blue cooler, which is kind of their norm, they had 1,962 ballots in two black duffel bags.
The person whom we don't know who it is comes up, takes the two black duffel bags, and walks away.
And gives them a cooler.
But who's supervising this?
The Secretary of State of Georgia, I guess, is supposed to be, right?
Well, one thing we often laughed about was, you know, just unpacking these videos was a challenge in and of itself.
And one thing we often laughed about was that it was clear to us nobody was ever intended to look at these videos.
True.
You know, not to make this even worse, but for all the heat that Raffesberger has received, he actually has been helpful to us in this way.
All of the politicians, all the media, everyone were saying, you have to go to the governor's office.
You have to go to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
And we had our own dust up with them, which is a whole nother topic.
But once we finally learned, and Raffesberger's team helped us figure out, the process is you have to make a complaint to the Secretary of State.
The Secretary of State investigates it, takes it to the State Board of Elections.
They take it to the Attorney General and then back again.
That's the way it's supposed to work.
But no one told us that.
So for 11 months, we labored under this illusion that everybody was saying, you've got to go to the governor.
You've got to go to the...
And that arm allowed that time to run out.
Right.
So then I want to play another video here, but you've got all these cell phone pings.
You start to see these mule operations.
You're starting to see the video.
And then you can't help yourself, but start running numbers.
And you're thinking to yourself, wait a second, this is not just like a one-off thing.
This is not some kind of Democrat activist that really wanted Trump gone that, you know, might have had a couple friends do this.
This was a machine, is that right?
Absolutely.
And you could see different characteristics among the different groups of mules.
You had certain groups of mules that tended to take pictures of the Dropbox after they dropped their ballots.
That's sort of one style.
Then you saw another style where people always wore gloves.
Or they, as they would come up with their stack full of ballots, they would pull their shirt down over their hand to put the ballots in.
And you saw multiple people with the same behavior.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Okay, let's play.
Is this video okay to play?
This one right here?
All right, let's play this video and let's watch it together.
So is this also, it looks like it's the same drop box, same Gwinnett County, right?
Yeah.
This happens, one of the interesting points about that is this particular Dropbox, the reason we picked these is because it is very clear.
Some of them are fuzzy, right?
Some of them are.
So what time is this one?
This looks like at night.
Is that right?
You can see it in the timeline there on the bottom.
Yeah.
I think it's a little bit of a single.
It's the same basic.
He's got multiple ones, right?
He does.
And he's one of our mules, too, by the way.
He's a mule.
No gloves.
No glass.
Put them in.
Okay, that's at least 10.
Absolutely.
So it's illegal to do this?
Yes.
Right?
Now, this is the same location where someone else also pulled up with the White Ford Explorer.
Same day?
This is one box on one day.
Same day.
Same day.
Okay, so let me ask the obvious question where, you know, a skeptic would say, hold on a second.
Okay.
Where did they get the ballots from?
And who's to say they're just for the Democrats?
I mean, come on, Republicans are terrible people.
Wouldn't they be the ones doing this?
Well, we'll never know.
We do have secret ballots here, number one.
Number two, where the ballots actually came from when they decided to sign this consent decree that pushed Raffisburger to send out ballot applications to both active and inactive voters.
That's where the fuzz came in, right?
So like I used to live in Georgia, and when I left, my name remained on the rolls for a while.
So if I haven't voted for five, six, seven years, and all of a sudden there's a ballot application that shows up, these guys go get it, fill it out, get a ballot application in my name.
I live in Texas now.
How would I know?
Right?
Now, Catherine, you said this is where the tainted voter rolls came in.
Right.
Right.
And interestingly, in Georgia, while we were doing this project, we had also assisted with finding volunteers in all counties across Georgia to file a historic number of elector challenges.
So 362,000, 364,000, 364,000 elector challenges because their rolls hadn't been cleaned in two years.
And so we knew that they're going to get the mail-in ballots.
There's no way of tracking these loosely.
So we filed these elector challenges.
To illustrate just one way that those bad rolls can creep into this process, we now know that ineligible voter records contributed to 75,000 of the votes in the general and 45,000 of the votes in the runoff.
That would have changed.
It's important to remember that the runoff would have only been one race, Leffler versus Warnock, because Purdue would have only been 3,000 or 4,000 vote differential that prevented the runoff.
It's right on the cusp.
So this is high-stakes stuff.
So to kind of drill down the point, though, ballots went everywhere, 248,000 ballots in 2018, and then we went to 1.2 million.
We're just talking about Georgia, right?
Georgia is a good take-case study for this.
You have that kind of increase of ballots.
Basically, your hypothesis proven by the cell phone pings in the video is that the ballots were everywhere, and then therefore someone went on an operation to go scoop up the ballots, collect ballots, pay for ballots, and then redistribute those ballots through a ballot laundering scheme.
Is that the hypothesis?
Absolutely.
But the way that the ballots were collected becomes sort of this multi-tentacled hydra.
We have pings that show people going to UPS stores at midnight and then going straight from there to the nonprofit organizations.
We have stories from around the country of people that live in underprivileged housing communities.
And it's just sort of pay-for-play there.
That's one of the things that we're doing.
That's well known in folklore of Section 8 housing.
But it's proven to be true.
It's proving to be true.
And so, you know, there's all manner of ways that those ballots came.
But I think the important takeaway is that dirty voter rolls allow for a big portion of this credit.
And then just the lack of general awareness in the populace that this is illegal.
This is not business education.
Dirty Voter Rolls And Felonies 00:11:49
Yeah, I want to replay one of these videos, Greg.
I want to just reinforce a point for myself personally, for everyone watching, which is you're seeing a felony take place in real time here.
That's right.
And so to the best of our knowledge, has this person been arrested?
No.
Has this person been asked questions?
You don't know that part, and there might be an active investigation.
Probably not.
Secretary Raffisberger, shortly after Catherine's team filed the complaint, Secretary Raffsberger went on Fox, I think, or somewhere and said that, yes, we believe this is credible evidence for an investigation, and we believe they are looking into it.
But the investigation's fine.
That was in November you guys filed the complaint, right?
We're now four or five months later.
We got the video of the murder, right?
That's a crime.
You can't do that unless you're in a CIS store, right?
Which you say there were none for that particular area or county, then that person, why has that person not yet been indicted?
These are the questions you guys are going to get a lot, by the way.
Oh, yeah.
Sure.
Well, we certainly hope that that will happen.
The reality is that there are, I think we have 4 million minutes of surveillance video.
4 million minutes.
And it takes a while to go through it, number one.
Because the government isn't doing it.
No.
The setup of the surveillance video is such that it has to be attached to the player that is unique to that particular camera.
And so actually getting it out so that you could even look at it, those are MP4s, but just getting it to the MP4 point.
That's an incredible accomplishment.
It's just, it's ridiculous.
You know, John David and some of the other people on our team have just spent, I mean, hundreds and hundreds, thousands of hours pouring through this video.
And it can be tedious.
And, you know, the idea that maybe there's a government person somewhere doing that.
Not going to happen.
Not going to happen.
No.
So, but they did do it probably for January 6th or something similar to that, right?
So they did it quick.
Yeah, and they did it really quick, which really remarkably quickly makes you think, right?
So this starts, this pattern happens.
So it goes up to Election Day.
And this is where I really want to get people fired up.
Because Election Day happens.
We were warning against the mail-in balloting.
Arizona, Arizona, Georgia, Philadelphia, mostly Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
Let's take pause.
How many mules?
How many ballots just up into the first election?
Then I want to talk about the runoff because I think that's a really interesting wrinkle in this too.
Well, how many mules?
How many ballots?
I mean, come on, that's going to be the counter argument.
2,000 plus mules, hence the 2,000-mule movie.
And the number that sort of held true across all the states, about 7% of their volume of mail-in ballots.
So I'm going to ask an obvious question that I wanted to ask later, but I have to ask now.
Who's running this?
Who's the one that's, what's your suspicion?
There's got to be some money.
There's got to be something behind this, right?
Our current hypothesis, and we still have some work to do on this point, and Catherine describes it, I think, aptly, that there are sort of new money kind of folks like the Stacey Abrams of the world, who all of a sudden show up in Maricopa County after the election, you know, arm in arm with the SEIU and others, them thanking her for helping the state.
Well, how did you help win, right?
That would be one question, right?
The second piece of this is there's old money ties to this and to some foundations that started in Chicago back some 80 years ago.
In the 60s.
So there's two, there's sort of, in our observation, there's sort of two levels of play here, but they work very handily together.
And you have to remember, you don't need a whole lot of fraud.
You just need it in the right places.
And so when you have an organized effort, it can be so much chaos, so much confusion inserted intentionally into the process.
It's not a hard leap.
We internally call it the thousand front war because it's everywhere.
It's a little bit here, a little bit in San Luis.
But you're saying that there's a foundation, a 501c3, that was potentially funding some of this activity?
Yes.
Many.
That would be illegal.
That would be illegal.
Okay, let's go to another video here.
This one here.
Is that okay to play?
Sure.
Okay.
So what are we looking at here as we pull this up?
Same basic thing.
It looks like the same drop box.
Everybody, look at all those people doing the right thing.
Waiting for them.
So they're waiting to vote early.
They're going to vote in law.
Right.
Right.
So this is a maroon dress woman, or is this somebody else?
Yeah, I know that's.
Is that your mule?
That's our.
So this is a mule in front of everyone.
Okay.
Look, everybody's sitting there watching, like, what?
So this is right now as she opens it up.
Can't figure out how to open up because they won't fit.
Right.
Felony at what point?
After the first air.
Now it's a felony.
So this is a felon.
Three felons at one drop box, everybody.
I want you to think about that.
One after the other.
In the broad daylight.
I mean, now you could also get drivers, you know, license plate info and stuff, right?
Yes.
So she in broad daylight, while everyone else was watching, just violated Georgia law.
Right.
So let me ask us a really dumb question.
You know, Rothensberger kept all these people.
Why didn't they have someone just parked right next to the drop box?
Oh, you only get to put in one.
That would have been a pretty simple way to fix this.
I mean, that's just top, you know, that's a simple way to do it.
Well, my view of that would be: why the hell do you have the drop boxes anyway?
Because all you got to do is stand in line with everybody else in the world.
We're dealing with the Republican Party here, right?
They're the Vichy French.
Exactly.
But so those are three felonies we just saw on camera.
And we have 4 million minutes worth of video.
So what state was the worst offender?
Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania.
Philadelphia.
Is that worst proportionally or just worst in every way?
Everywhere.
Every way.
Every sense of it.
Tell me why.
1,155 people met our criteria of 10 or more drop boxes and five or more organizations.
1,155?
In Philadelphia.
So let's pretend half, you're off by half.
That would be insane.
Yeah.
600 would be.
Right.
What's even more insane is watching the data, watching the pings come across the bridge in New Jersey and into Philly.
Across state lines?
Sure.
Yeah.
They did that against Kyle Rittenhouse.
You should go to jail for even suggesting it.
So Philadelphia was the worst, 23 ballots on average per mule.
Is that right?
It varied state to state, but we always tried to, again, to meet our criteria, it had to be 23 or more.
I mean, in Yuma County, the number was 31.
Just because we had to get to this data set of number of drop boxes and number of organizations so that we could study the sample set.
Yeah, we're not in any way saying this is all there is.
No, this is just as well.
We're just saying we cut it off here because running these cycles, when you have two petabytes of data, it takes a lot of processing power, so you've got to skinny it down somehow.
And we just sort of arbitrarily said, okay, we'll stop at 10.
Yeah, we could.
What about all the nines and the sevens and the sixes?
Right.
Or people that didn't use drop boxes and they went to mailboxes.
We didn't measure that.
It was too big.
This is the ice cream.
Was it enough to swing an election?
Yes.
Yes.
Walk us through the numbers.
Well, Dinesh, and in the movie, they do a really good job of this, and they do it in two separate ways.
You want to kind of get into that?
Or do you want to wait for the movie to kind of roll?
Well, I mean, I think that the takeaway is, I think, when we look at what we know to be true in all the states, the number of organizations, the number of mules, everything in combination, what we've gotten in testimony from how much people were being paid and so forth, the number breaks out to about 7% of the mail-in ballots, and that holds state to state.
Now, you're going to have some states that have less, but some states that are overperformers in that same way.
And if you look at that, just as a quick sort of back of the napkin, it's 4.8 million votes.
Nationwide.
4.8 million votes.
Just in our target states.
Just from what we know.
Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.
Right.
That many votes were trafficked?
Or is that correct?
Yes.
That's a serious operation.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's everywhere.
It's everywhere.
Every one of these communities that's receiving money from these foundations that are doing this, they're all doing it.
It's slightly different grift, but it's all the same thing.
And who's stopping them?
I mean, this is, the one word I think that characterizes best 2020 is lawless.
I'll give you an example.
Lawless.
I'll give you an example, Charlie.
This is hot off the press.
We learned this while we were at lunch before we came here to see you today.
The file that those videos came from came on a big disc.
And in that disc, it looked to us like there were several sort of blank, just empty folder files.
But we couldn't open them.
It felt, I mean, we just didn't really fiddle with it because we were interested to get to that.
What we learned was in kind of backing into this disc, is that was the camera from the 14 cameras inside the counting facilities at Gwinnett County from inside.
So we have the outside, but now we have...
But what's happening inside?
We don't know yet.
Just found them.
Just correct?
Just correct.
That's a whole different part of it.
That's right.
That's right.
The counting of it is a whole different layer.
That's right.
So I want to now get to part two with Georgia.
Yes.
Right?
Which I think is interesting.
And I don't know if this is going to get as much attention because everyone's focused on Trump, and that's great.
We love Trump, and this was stolen from him.
But also, the Republican Senate's a big deal.
We're about to get another Supreme Court justice, right?
A lot of this nonsense is being pushed forward.
And it went through Georgia with John Ossif and with Raphael Warnock and Kelly Loffler and David Perdue.
So I mentioned briefly that if it wasn't for this ballot trafficking operation, it's easy to say David Perdue would have avoided a runoff.
Absolutely.
But there was a runoff.
And so there was a whole, there was a month, two months of November and December.
What's happening in those two months?
Well, interesting as it relates to the pings, one of the things that we did in our buy at Catherine's suggestion was: let's buy September before it started.
Let's buy October while they were voting.
But let's buy November when nothing should have been happening at the ballot boxes.
And then let's buy December.
What a great control variable in November, right?
That's right.
Because the patterns is.
And you see it do exactly.
Right.
So they weren't going to drop boxes in November until ballots got sent out in early December.
And then you'll find this interesting.
Two of the mules here in Arizona made their way to Georgia.
Oh, come on.
Yes.
Pings don't lie.
Okay, so let's talk about Georgia.
So how many people were also, was it almost an identical carbon copy from October to December?
They used the same people?
I think the 80-20 rule kind of held.
You had your top performers that played in both, and then you had new people.
Sorry, go ahead, Greg.
No, I was just going to say we've recently come into some additional information that shows that we show some of the people that participated in the runoff, participated in the general, but we went all the way back to 2018 with some information and found that they did the exact same thing in 2018.
And they might have done it in 2012 and 2008 or whatever.
Identifying Georgia Voter Fraud Patterns 00:16:50
So let me ask you, though, give me a profile of what a mule is.
Who is this person?
Teacher, plumber, criminal, former con.
I'm asking you to stereotype.
This is important.
People are going to say, come on, I don't believe that anyone would actually do that.
It's a mixed bag.
We had some incidents where there's a place in Atlanta called the Bluff.
It's one of the heaviest, I guess, heroin trafficking places in the United States.
It's very dangerous, one of the top five most dangerous places in the United States.
Is it like a park or is it a building?
Yeah, it's a park.
No.
It's like a four-square-block area.
Okay, so it's like a neighborhood.
Sort of.
Except it's just like a crack neighborhood, like that.
Think of a four-square-block neighborhood where everyone and all of their friends were all on heroin in the street.
And it was wild.
And so we went down and interviewed a couple people down there and had some interesting intersections with some folks, me and a couple of my guys.
We went to that same night, actually, we went to a place called 201 Washington Street, which is an advocacy center attached to a church right across the street from the Capitol.
Is it Black Area?
It's just downtown Atlanta.
So, yeah, it's, I mean, I guess mostly Black.
I really don't know.
And so what we wanted to do then, though, was we wanted to go from 201 Washington Street to Auburn Avenue Library, which is about a nine-minute walk away, according to our pings, because we had people going from Auburn Avenue to the library's where the drop box was.
Right.
And then back again, and then to the Fulton County Government Center, which was another five minutes the other way.
So we went up there in the middle of the night, just like they were doing, and just walked it.
And sure enough, nine minutes and then five minutes the other way.
It's crazy.
So, I mean, there's a lot of that going on.
But there's also people that came in.
There's a bartender who came in from South Carolina to help.
As Catherine said, there's a couple of.
Unindicted, obviously.
Yeah, of course.
But you know where they are.
Yeah.
And then in Arizona, the profile looked a little bit different because it's been happening.
It's been happening in Arizona for an awfully long time.
And what we see there are people that really control communities.
And you have people that are atop of the pyramid that are coming in and doing everything from building underprivileged housing to controlling the full vertical of the contractors and the banks and the financing organizations.
And all of those people are participating in rounding up ballots.
And we have, as people that go to see the movie will soon learn, we have informants who've come forward to describe exactly what happens.
And it's just a day in the life.
It's just what you do in those communities.
And these collectors and these mules are making between $10 and $40 a ballot here in Arizona, according to the testimony that we have.
And that's a lot of money.
Tally all that up.
Somebody's making some bank.
And one of the most chilling things, I think, in this entire journey for me has been when we interviewed two people who were very familiar with the grift here in Arizona.
One of them, just from observation, and she just at one point just sat back in her chair and just put her finger up.
She said, round and round it goes.
Nobody ever listens.
Nothing ever changes.
And so we hope to, you know, we hope to help push this over the edge in a way that people can wake up and realize what's happening to our elections.
Here's a tape here of Brian Kemp.
This ad is on television in Georgia because he said there were no problems.
He said everything was great.
And I want to play this tape here.
Brian Kemp is now getting a challenge from someone who should still be a U.S. Senator, David Perdue.
Let's play this here.
We'll listen to it.
I led the fight to aggressively investigate all allegations of voter fraud.
So let me pause it.
Did he lead a fight to aggressively investigate voter fraud?
He led a fight, all right, against us.
Yeah.
I briefed Kemp's team.
I personally briefed Kemp's team.
But they wouldn't be bothered by felonies on camera.
Well, they not only refused, but what they did was they sent one of their henchmen, the guy that runs the GBI, down to the FBI office where our data lived, not to see the data, but to get into the metadata and figure out who the analysts were and then burn me and a couple of my analysts.
Releasing it all to the press.
And the KJC.
Releasing it all to the press, as opposed to just thinking through what we have now.
They did everything they could to stop us.
I wonder why.
Yeah.
The truth is, Kemp dismissed concerns about voter fraud in the 2020 election.
As governor, you could call for a special assembly.
You have not done that.
Kemp refused to call a special session before the runoff and the widespread illegal ballot harvesting continued electing two Democrat senators.
If Kemp can't beat voter fraud, he won't beat Stacey Abrams.
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I'm going to emphasize that last video there, which I know is also in the movie.
So what were we seeing in this video, guys?
This is a movie a little bit.
And this is in Fulton County.
She's approaching the box.
And this is in the runoff.
This is on January 5th at about 1 in the morning.
This is on Election Day.
Right.
When most of our mules apparently vote.
And she approaches, as you see her walk up to the box, she never looks at the trash can to her left.
And that's relevant because she goes up, she puts the ballots in the box, and then turns around, starts taking off her gloves, and puts them in a trash can that she never looked at.
Meaning, she knew the trash can was there.
She didn't want fingerprints on the ballot.
Why is that significant?
Because in Arizona, several days before this, in San Luis, there were some indictments brought, and part of the indictment was brought because they were able to lift fingerprints from the ballots.
So she comes in with latex gloves, comes there, and drops them off.
How many of your videos show mules taking pictures of the ballots?
100,000.
What's the significance of that?
We understand that that's how they got paid.
Because criminals don't trust criminals.
They were taking pictures of how many.
In fact, in some of our videos, when people forget to do that, if they're part of the group that was supposed to take those pictures, if they forget, you can just see them, just their whole countenance changes and they'll trudge back to the Dropbox and reluctantly take pictures because they've already dropped the ballot, so now they risk.
You've got to imagine there's a lot of photos on some picture, on some cameras somewhere that could be used as evidence, but law enforcement won't be bothered by this.
Let me ask you a question here, which is, we suspected who's behind this, the criminal conspiracy, you know, all these sorts of things that are happening.
Whistleblowers are starting to come out.
You know, we're starting to see more and more energy into this entire deal.
This is the stuff where people just lose faith in their whole system, right?
So what can be done to restore integrity here?
First thing is, I mean, wake up, America.
It's happening.
And if we don't stop it, as Americans, if we don't say we demand clean voter rolls and we demand accountability around process, then this slide will continue.
But if we stand up and get engaged, most Americans want to do the right thing.
Our process has just been allowed to erode to a place that the inconsistencies and the insecurities and the inaccuracies, they function as a feature, not a bug.
It's intended to keep this way.
We're the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't have a standard form of photo voter identification.
I was in Ukraine two weeks ago and was inquiring with some of the people there about your tell me about your voting.
And they're like, we have to show up on election day.
They have to show an ID.
And so, I mean, they do it in Ukraine.
They do it in Romania.
In Afghanistan, send in our military to protect the election where they do retinal scans.
You can't make this up, right?
And these people in Quinnette County, Georgia, are just subverting the process in front of 100 of their fellow voters.
But this type of work, and true the vote's been doing this for 12 years, I mean, saying these things out loud leaves marks.
This is not a popular thing to reveal.
This is high stakes.
This is the kind of stuff that you say it too loudly, and a lot of people that aren't super friendly want to push back.
So you've got to, you know.
Why are conservatives, Republicans, so afraid of this issue?
Oh, I think they don't want to be called the names.
They don't want to be called.
Right.
Good answer.
Yeah.
And I think it takes so much to pull.
So many layers have to be pulled back.
It's such a daunting task.
It's just easier to kick the can down the road, particularly when you're talking to someone who's elected.
I mean, the process worked for them, right?
So why should they worry about what happens downstream?
It's great to saber rattle and great for fundraising, but the practical matter around getting this process cleaned up is something that most folks just don't want to deal with.
I think there's some fundamental things.
Catherine has long said there's sort of four pillars here we need to think about.
That's a Mark Elias phrase, by the way, that he uses pretty often.
But let me just give it to you from Catherine.
From our point of view, we've got to get the voter rolls clean.
You have to.
If you can't get the voter rolls clean, then a few other things we do do.
Is the Republican establishment doing that right now?
No.
Here's their version of it.
Let's just sue them.
And then they'll do it.
They'll say, okay, we'll do it.
We'll do it.
And then they don't do it.
Two years goes by, and by that time, the population is this particular thing.
Because they're raising hundreds of millions of dollars to try to do that.
Do you think those donors are being misled?
I just don't think that they're telling them the whole truth.
Effect is it doesn't work.
It takes, it's hard, right?
This isn't easy.
Catherine's created, or we have created an app with her, IV3.us, that allows an everyday citizen to go in and sit at their kitchen table or watching television or whatever, and we help them through the process of challenging voters in their jurisdiction or in their account.
And challenging their records.
This is an important distinction because the record, it's a process to get people to be removed from the voter rolls.
It's not just a one and done.
And you've got to be able to clearly state in your filings with your county what's going on with the with the record that you're questioning.
So that's what we've tried to tee up.
But this notion that we're going to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into lawsuits and get this done, as a practical matter, I mean, the left is game for that.
That's lawfare.
That's attorneys making bank and very little functionally happening.
Second thing we have to do is we have to stop this mail-in or just all-mail applications and ballots.
You just can't do it, right?
I mean, there's no way to control it.
We certainly don't have the mechanisms here in the United States to do it, and we have to stop that.
The third piece of this, I think, is getting rid of these drop boxes.
These drop boxes are a train wreck.
Can I ask you?
So Zuckerberg funds them?
Are they going to be around for the midterms?
A few states, yes.
Some states, no.
What states are they going to have them?
I'm not aware of any state that's pulled them entirely.
Now, Wisconsin has it stayed right now in the courts, but even in Georgia, they've said we're just going to move them inside.
Oh, so Georgia still has drop boxes?
They're just not inside the building.
We can't see them.
Well, maybe he does.
Maybe they got something on them, huh?
Yeah, who knows?
So Republican states still have drop boxes after all of this?
Right.
You're going to start seeing more and more of what's happening in Jackson, Mississippi right now.
There's a state auditor in Jackson.
His name is Shad White, and he went out and audited some of these officials that were doling out this Zuckerberg money.
And there's been four arrests in Jackson already over this.
So for them stealing the money.
And I think you're going to see state auditors and others all over the country now start to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, where did all this money go?
I used to be in government, and I can tell you, it's hard to spend money fast in government, right?
I mean, you've got some hoops to go through.
You've got to do things.
And so the very idea that they were just going to get $400 million and then spit it all back out and everything was going to be okay.
Come on.
So let me just ask you: how critical was the Zuckerberg money to all of this?
Oh, it was a huge catalyst.
Huge catalyst.
If Zuckerberg doesn't do that, and let's say no one did it, do you think most of this would have happened?
I know it's a hypothetical, but it's an important hypothetical.
I think when combined with the first two, right, you take dirty voter rolls, you mail everyone an application, whether they ask for it or not, whether they're even legitimately on the rolls or not, and then you provide a means to stuff them in there.
Which brings us to the fourth point, right?
The fourth point is, if you don't have some sort of a punishment for this stuff.
Fits the crime.
Right.
And put some people in jail.
You put somebody in jail for 10 years for this.
We're starting to see some whispers here.
I want to read some headlines here.
Which is two individuals accused of ballot harvesting in Yuma County.
It seems like there's an Attorney General Mark Bernovich announced a state journalist's jury.
This is back in December.
I'm hearing through the grapevine maybe there might be more happening in Yuma.
I don't want to speak out of term, but that's just kind of what I'm hearing from the kind of whispering community in Arizona.
We think so too.
Okay.
We think there will be more.
One of the interesting things about Yuma County and San Luis in particular is some of these kind of that old money that we talked about earlier.
There's some money that flows into some of these poor border communities and other poor communities around the country that is less about electing a president with these harvesting techniques and more about electing themselves so they can stay in control over all the billions that are flowing in.
And it's legit and real.
And we believe that here in Arizona that your attorney general and others are tuned in enough to what's going on down there that we're going to see some action.
So let's talk more about citizen empowerment to close out here.
So this is all ongoing.
There's going to be a lot of attacks against you guys, a lot there.
So what can people do?
And then I want you guys to just totally, you have my permission, tell the audience how you can get support and help because you need it and you're going to need it.
Because, you know, the Republican establishment, they won't be bothered by this.
They'd rather lose admirably, Vigi French.
You know, most of these big DC organizations, establishment, they're fine sitting on their endowments.
You guys are in the trenches.
You're the one that raised the $2 million.
You're the one that's connected to a supercomputer, right?
So answer that first and then the citizen empowerment side.
Well, what people can do to help, I mean, go to truthevote.org and support us.
I mean, this is this is not for the faint of heart.
I mean, we are playing at a level beyond to get to this kind of data, and you are exactly right.
The attacks are going to come and they're going to come hard.
And that was part of the calculus that we signed up for.
We know it.
So I got to ask you, why are you doing this?
Because you could just not do it.
Well, can you, though?
I mean, playing people, do Brian Campbell?
Well, yeah, I guess that's true.
I can't.
I can't be complicit in this.
I've long said if elections aren't truly fair, we are not truly free.
And that's it.
And Charlie, the other thing that we need money for is this movie is going to be huge.
We believe.
2,000 mules.
It's going to do it.
And you guys are the protagonists in the film.
We brought it to Dinesh because the news stations wouldn't run it.
I think that was smart to do.
But what we're planning on after that, remember, we have two petabytes of information.
We have cell phone pings.
We have video.
We have all manner of documents.
We have all sorts of things.
Catherine and I have long talked about this.
And our intention at this point is at some point, shortly after the video runs, we're going to pull the ripcord.
We're going to release all of this.
Totally transparent.
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All of it.
Give it all to the American people.
So like WikiLeaks style.
But legal.
But legal.
And say, do with it what you will.
Right.
Now you can see what nobody's shown you to this point.
You can see.
So the movie is the kind of the buildup.
And then you're going to get discredited, isolated incident.
You know, Dinesh was a felon, pardoned by Trump, all that crap they're going to try to do.
And you'll say, you want to dance?
Let's do it.
Here you go.
Let's go.
We're right.
So true the vote.org.
Truthvote.org.
Is how everyone should make a contribution.
We are.
Our show is going to contribute.
So it's Turning Point USA.
It's the least we can do.
We did a little bit from Turning Point Action in the midst of all this nonsense.
On my way down to San Luis, Arizona, for the initial interviews.
You and I talked, and you sent us some money.
We wired you some money.
We did a little bit.
We're going to do some more.
What can regular everyday people do?
They feel so helpless.
Well, first, don't feel helpless.
Okay, good.
We're not victims because victims don't have a choice.
We have a choice.
This is happening on our watch.
So we can choose to remain complicit and to watch this and to watch the movie, go pop a bag of popcorn and sit back and say, wow, this is just horrible.
And the band plays on.
Or we can say, not on our watch and get involved.
Voting is not enough.
So, but let me stop you.
Should people keep voting?
Oh, absolutely.
I know that's a weird question, but they're going to see that and say, what's the point?
If you're one of those people standing in line right there while that woman's breaking the law, talk to her.
Well, you can't do that.
Most Americans, by far and away, want an honest, fair process.
Most Americans are voting for the right reasons and have no ill intent whatsoever.
7%, thereabouts, maybe not so much, but we have 93% worth saving.
And we are an exceptional nation that can pull this together and pull it together quickly.
We just have to make this a priority because it hasn't been a priority.
We've taken it for granted.
We've taken voting for granted.
We've taken the process for granted.
And that has to come to an end because we're being left in the dust by countries around the world.
Now is the time to wake up and demand standards locally, and then it'll all roll up, Dylan.
I said this in the movie, and I believe this to my bones, that everybody's afraid right now.
They're afraid of getting canceled.
They're afraid of this.
They're afraid of that.
They're afraid of their neighbor.
They're afraid to go to the store or whatever.
On the other side of fear is freedom.
And all you got to do is just step up and let's go.
Let's do this.
So you both are, you're making a decision.
You're like, you know what?
This is institutional evil, a criminal conspiracy, the likes of which we never could have imagined.
What else are you going to take from me?
Day after the election, Catherine looked at me and said, what are we going to do?
And I said, let's go.
And she said, let's go all in.
Let's go all in.
And just by background, I know you don't like talking about it, Catherine, but you were targeted by Obama every which way.
You know, some people remember you from that, IRS, DOJ, OSHA, all of that.
And here you are again.
They can't get rid of you, actually.
The irony, I think, of that is, the irony, I think, is that it steeled me for this moment.
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Yes.
Because that was a lot.
That was a lot.
I really was thinking in 2019 when we finally, because we sued the IRS and then, you know, six, seven years later, we beat them.
And at that moment, I really had to do some prayerful consideration.
You know, whether or not this is, was that really what True the Vote was about?
Were we there to make good case law, not to settle, to fight it out?
I think this is what True the Vote's been put here to do, is to take us into the other side of the mountain because this is real and now we have to do something about it.
You're the best.
Thank you.
Thank you guys so much, truethevote.org.
And everyone should check out 2000 meals, but more importantly, truethevote.org.
Thanks so much, Charlie.
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