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Feb. 28, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The SMOG of War: Propaganda, Pundits, and Putin
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Propaganda and the Front Lines 00:14:37
Hey, everybody, the smog of war.
The confusion continues in Ukraine and Russia.
And we unpack that and we challenge Joe Biden to do what is necessary to end this conflict, be the peacekeeper in chief.
Doesn't seem as if there's any willingness to do that.
We go through all the breaking news.
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So on Sunday, I spent about five or six hours watching international news.
I was watching BBC.
I was watching Russian television, RT.
I spent a lot of time just trying to study what was happening in Ukraine.
And the more I studied it and the more I kind of dove into it, the more questions actually I had.
Now, if you're listening to this right now and you think you've gotten this whole thing figured out, you're wrong.
You don't.
No one does.
This is a very confusing situation, but there are some things we do know.
Number one, this is Putin's war.
Putin decided to do this.
And Putin is evil for invading another country.
There are some people that are Putin apologists on social media, like, oh, it's, you know, it's time for him to reunify the Soviet Union.
I don't find any sympathy for that.
I don't.
Civilians are being killed.
There are people that I'm connected to in Ukraine, and there's legitimate suffering happening in Ukraine.
So that's what we do know.
We do know this is Putin's war.
Now, do I think that the reflexive response should be to try to declare war on Russia and try to further the bond that Russia has with China?
Of course not.
But this is Putin's war.
He fired the first shot.
He decided to go to war with Ukraine.
The second thing I know after watching like six hours of international television is I have more questions than answers.
There's something that is not adding up about the coverage of this.
Now, in war, there are a couple things that are instrumental towards victory.
Having more people matters a lot, obviously.
Technology, the will to fight, but of course, winning the information war.
It's almost as if what we are seeing on television and the information we're consuming in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal is designed to confuse us.
Now, a lot of you listening and watching right now, I guarantee, are equally as surprised.
You probably have a lot of questions like, why are the Russians using tanks from the 1970s and 1980s?
So there's only two explanations for that.
Either Russia is sending their worst equipment to the front lines, or they're not as strong as they have pretended to be.
And both could be true.
I'm a little suspicious of that, considering how much money Russia has spent on their military, that this would be the best they have to offer.
So that's a question.
A lot of people watching, I'm sure, have questions such as the Zelensky videos seem a little too rehearsed.
And I'm not saying that Zelensky is not under threat.
I'm not saying that Zelensky is someone that isn't likely going to be displaced by the invading Russians.
What I am saying, though, is we know Zelensky is an actor.
We know that.
Zelensky was part of a Hollywood community in Ukraine.
And we also know that some of these stories that a lot of people have been publicizing, such as the Ukrainian border patrol on Snake Island and many other stories that we've heard, such as the ghost over Kyiv, are getting debunked and, let's say, getting cross-examined in real time.
Ukraine is winning the propaganda war.
That is for sure.
In fact, it seems as if Ukraine is more worried about the propaganda war than they are actually about the Kinetic War, which is rallying the world to its defense.
And so this is something that I just can't quite understand: if Putin really wanted to take over Ukraine, which it seems that he does, why is he not sending his best equipment?
And why is he allowing Ukraine to win over the hearts and minds of people in the West?
But here's another question.
Russia could shut down Ukraine's propaganda in a heartbeat with a cyber attack.
He could turn off all the electricity.
He could turn off the water.
Why isn't he doing that?
Now, some people say it's all because Putin cares about the civilians of Ukraine.
Well, that doesn't make any sense because there's evidence that he's bombing civilian centers in Ukraine.
Now, we have to remember that Zelensky, again, is a Martin Scorsese type.
He is a Quentin Tarantino.
He knows how to film and make arguments.
And boy, is he good at it.
Very sympathetic.
And I'm not attacking him or criticizing him.
He's an incredibly corrupt person, by the way, but he knows what he's doing.
He's also a man that came into power after a color revolution, which is by the very nature a war of propaganda.
It's an information warfare.
Now, the question is: does Zelensky's playing into whose hands?
Now, is Vladimir Putin trying to goad the West into backing Ukraine and starting some sort of ground war or invasion?
Is Putin saving his best ground forces for a potential NATO defense?
What we do know is this, though.
So here's what we'd start with: what we know and what we do not know.
Here's what we know: the Russian economy is in freefall.
There are runs on banks.
There is economic crises happening in Russia.
The interest rate has skyrocketed to 20% in Russia.
It's a very real economic catastrophe.
Russia is having an economic emergency meeting right now.
There are protests breaking all across, breaking out all across Russia.
We know this to be true.
So either Putin, there's only two ways that you can judge Putin.
Either Putin has lost his mind, and by the way, a lot of dictators lose their mind towards the end of their life.
You could look at Stalin.
You could look at Mussolini.
You could look at Xi Ji Pen, not Zig Pol, I guess Zijiping soon, Mao Setong.
It's really, it takes a lot of brainpower.
It takes a lot of focus.
It takes a lot of energy to be that tyrannical for a long period of time.
And it makes you to be paranoid.
And so either Putin has totally lost his mind and he's a psychopath, which I'm totally open to that argument, or there's another game at play that we're not seeing here.
That Putin is playing three-dimensional chess and he has something up his sleeve that we don't see.
I'm not as sympathetic to that argument, but let's play that out.
Here's what we do know: that Russia and China have formed a international super alliance.
That China refuses to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
And it seems as if the United States intelligence community is perfectly fine with beating the drums of war and trying to solidify the Russian-Chinese alliance.
And I'm by no means defending what Putin is doing in Ukraine.
I think it's reprehensible.
I hate war.
You should too.
War is awful.
It brings out the worst of humanity.
And the consequences will be felt for generations.
It creates refugees.
It creates people to be displaced from their homeland.
Not to mention the death and the injury and the lives that are just permanently ruined.
It appears that Putin does not care at all about the ramifications, the economic ramifications of this war.
And this brings to the third thing that we know.
And you guys can watch international television and dive deep into this.
Something is not right about this entire thing.
Something is not adding up.
There's immense amount of propaganda.
Some of the images you're seeing on TV are people that don't even have real guns.
They're cardboard cutout of guns that we saw in Kyiv.
We have pictures of Zelensky that are being shared of him visiting the front lines years ago, not in the last month or two months.
So what's really happening in Ukraine, the question is, what should America and the West's response be to this?
According to all public reports, it seems that the Russians are closing in on Kyiv.
That it's just a matter of time until that capital falls, okay?
Well, at the same time, Ukrainians and Russians just talked in Belarus without preconditions.
This is Putin's war, but there are more questions than there are answers.
And something is not right.
Something is not adding up.
And all the while this is occurring, Joe Biden is at his house in Delaware completely and totally silent.
So we don't have a president anymore.
We used to call this the fog of war.
But given the oil component of all this and the emissions that come with it, one might call it the smog of war.
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Let's get to some sound here as the questions mount.
We try to separate fact from fiction.
Let's go to cut five, latest on what's happening in Ukraine.
Cut five.
Here is where things stand at this hour.
Russian forces are bearing down on the Ukrainian city, Kharkiv.
This after they failed to take the capital of Kiev.
At the same time, Dana, Ukrainian, and Russian negotiators are holding their first talks as we speak since the war began.
This is the U.S. condemns Vladimir Putin for putting his nuclear forces on high alert.
The White House, calling that move totally unnecessary.
So meanwhile, the Ukrainian people are putting the world on notice, taking the fight back to Russia.
Ordinary people stockpiling Molotov cocktails and shoring up defenses in their own neighborhoods.
President Zelensky is hunkering down with his troops on the front lines.
So that video they just showed those from him from December.
That is not from this month.
Anyway, so there's so much information warfare going on at this moment.
It's almost created a smog effect.
You know, the old expression is the fog of war, but given the oil implications of all this, I think the smog of war is more fitting.
And I think that there's a fair argument to say that the Ukrainian government is very, very corrupt.
But there is increasing evidence that the Ukrainian people are standing up and rising up against this invasion.
Now, the Ukrainian people are fighting back against the invasion and occupation in a lot of these different neighborhoods.
Let's go to Cut 15.
Fox News guest says Russia can overtake Ukraine very quickly if they deploy like they did in Crimea, I believe.
Play cut 15.
Because they're fighting for freedom and they're fighting for democracy and they're risking their lives for an ideal.
It's deeply moving.
But let's not kid ourselves.
They are massively likely to be overwhelmed if Russia deploys the kind of brute force that we've seen the Russians deploy.
I think the probability of his being overthrown is no longer 0%, but it's still, I'd say, no more than 10%.
I can't think of many more dangerous things you could do in the world today than to try a coup against Vladimir Putin.
So I hate to correct the great Neal Ferguson, and I agree with him on a lot of different things.
He's very smart.
But a lot of Ukrainians are not fighting for democracy.
Ukraine is not a democracy.
They displaced a democratically elected leader with a color revolution, basically orchestrated by the U.S. State Department.
And they suppressed opposition media and dissenting ideas.
And Zelensky was implemented as a result of that.
No, they're fighting for their country.
They're fighting for their history, for their people.
And they also just hate the Russians because of everything that Stalin did to them back in the 1930s and 1940s.
Now, there is this question of, and since there's so much uncertainty, why is Putin not using his best machinery and weaponry at this moment?
Well, Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg says Putin is losing and it's incredible to watch.
This is a new, let's say, narrative that has popped up that Putin is losing this war and he can't tolerate, he can't understand why this is so difficult.
Putin's War Narrative Shifts 00:12:52
So that very well might be true.
Or there might be another explanation as to that.
I just find it hard to believe, and maybe this is the truth.
I'm open to it, that Russia would not be able to quickly overtake Ukraine, take out their air defense systems.
That fact that Ukrainians can still land helicopters and airplanes is awfully remarkable to me.
Play cut 12.
Putin and the Russian army are losing.
And it's incredible to watch.
They've lost their momentum.
They have not been able to decapitate the government, in other words, get to the president to get to Zelensky.
The army has not been able to take Kiev, and they've slowed everything, all their momentum is slowed.
This is absolutely fascinating to me to watch because everybody thought they would be able to have it within days, and they're not there.
So there are two narratives, and it just proves the smog of war.
And the Russian narrative actually has been quite quiet.
They're not pushing up propaganda nearly as much as the Ukrainians are.
And is this a surgical operation?
You have two clips hours apart.
One that says Putin is winning, and then the other one that says Putin is losing.
It's quite a remarkable, let's just say, set of circumstances that just adds to this continual confusion.
The Gulf is extraordinary.
The chasm.
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You know, when we had presidents in the past, they would not just find themselves at the center point of trying to resolve conflicts, but they understood that in the American standpoint, not intervening does not mean not caring or trying to broker peace.
So back in 1905, there was a bloody and brutal war similar to the one we're seeing kind of, let's say, develop in Ukraine.
It was the Russo-Japanese War.
The Russo-Japanese War was on pace to be one of the most bloody wars in the early 1900s.
It lasted for two years.
Now, the president of the United States at the time was former Vice President Teddy Roosevelt.
Teddy Roosevelt demanded both parties come to the table.
And what was negotiated is now known as the Treaty of Portsmouth, which formally ended the Russo-Japanese war.
Teddy Roosevelt was the broker.
He brought both sides to the table and said, knock it off.
Stop killing each other.
It affirmed the Japanese presence in South Manchuria and Korea and ceded the southern half of the island to Japan.
By 1904, Russia and Japan had endured several years of disputes over Manchuria.
And then eventually it boiled over.
Russia lost over 60,000 soldiers and Japan lost 41,000 soldiers.
The military costs were very high as well.
Japan asked Teddy Roosevelt and the United States to intervene.
He refused.
But then Teddy Roosevelt said, I will go anywhere to end a war.
Teddy Roosevelt knew war very well.
He was part of the Roughneck Brigade in Cuba.
So he traveled all the way around the world, sat them in a table together and said, sat them around a table together, said, We're going to figure this out.
Now, negotiations reached an impasse.
And so then Roosevelt stepped in to the proposal to buy back the northern part of the peninsula from Japanese control.
The Russians were adamant that they would not pay him any amount of money, which would act as disguised indemnity when the territory ought to be theirs.
After a long debate, Japan eventually agreed to take only the southern part of the island without any kind of payment.
Teddy Roosevelt was so effective at developing the off-ramp of what was a brutal conflict, yes, involving Russia and then Japan, he won a Nobel Peace Prize.
That was Teddy Roosevelt.
His mediation and personal pressure on the leadership in Moscow and Tokyo to the final agreement led to what was called one of the great accomplishments of peace in the early 1900s.
Remember, Teddy Roosevelt had the famous expression, speak softly, but carry a big stick.
And he was willing to do what was necessary to end the war.
The question is, where is Joe Biden trying to end this war?
He's putting more sanctions on Russia, which is probably warranted given the escalation of the conflict and Putin recklessly saying he's putting his nuclear forces on high alert, which again goes back to the binary choice.
Either Putin is bluffing and has some sort of plan here that is, quite honestly, reprehensible, or he's completely lost his mind.
He's either got some sort of strategy that we're not keyed in on, or he has really totally and mentally slipped.
And some intelligence reports are showing that Putin is not the same post-COVID.
He just isn't.
Or the third option is that Putin is Xi Jinping's puppet, that this is a proxy war to try to get the West into another conflict while China takes over the world.
So what does Joe Biden need to do right now?
Joe Biden should be in Minsk right now, demanding that Zelensky and Putin come to the table, the same way Teddy Roosevelt demanded the Russians and the Japanese come to the table.
This is what Trump would do.
This is what any sane president would do.
Joe Biden is none of those things.
First, you need to bring him to the table and say, cut it out.
We're the stronger power here.
Vlad, you can't even take over Ukraine and you had five days.
Zelensky, you're super corrupt and trying to draw the West into this family dispute is not working.
So here's what's going to happen.
Mr. Putin, we're going to guarantee that U.S. troops will not go into Ukraine.
However, if you invade Ukraine again, there will be a heavier cost.
Now, remember, Trump went a step further and he said, if you invade Ukraine, he said, I will bomb all those beautiful turrets in Moscow, those beautiful golden turrets in Moscow.
Number two, Biden has to be very careful not to allow the dollar to stop being the international reserve currency.
Forcing Russia out of the SWIFT system and going into the China-Russia type system to develop their own SWIFT will harm the United States on the world stage more than the Ukrainian situation.
We need to make sure that the American dollar remains the world reserve currency.
Number three, worldwide oil prices, the lower they are, benefit our allies and destroy Putin's fragile economy.
We already know this.
We've talked about this at length.
But the fact that Joe Biden is not allowing more fracking in oil, natural gas, and Keystone pipeline is inexplicable.
So here's Jen Saki, as a side note, saying that we want to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
Play cut six.
On oil leases, what this actually justifies in President Biden's view is the fact that we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, on oil in general, and we need to look at other ways of having energy in our country and others.
One of the interesting things, George, we've seen over the last week or so is that a number of European countries are recognizing they need to reduce their own reliance on Russian oil.
Oh, we need to reduce our reliance on foreign oil.
Then why'd you abolish the Keystone XL pipeline?
Why have you not expanded oil and natural gas development?
Why do you continue the war on fossil fuels?
You see, remember, we demonstrated the binary choice.
You can either have environmental green energy policy or you can have a strong Putin.
I mean, you have an environmental policy, which makes a strong Putin, or you can have cheap oil and abundant oil, which makes a weak Putin.
Why are we still importing 600,000 barrels a day from Russia?
Why are we doing that?
If we really wanted to make Vladimir Putin suffer, if we really, this is what a president should do: fly to Minsk, look Putin in the eye and say, hey, we're buying 600,000 barrels of oil.
Do you ever hear the Permian Basin?
You ever hear of the Marcellus Shale?
I'm reinstituting the Keystone XL pipeline.
I'm going to dramatically expand the strategic petroleum reserve.
You're on your own, Putin.
We're buying zero.
We're going from 600,000 to zero.
Have some fun.
And you'd say, no, no, hold on.
Like, oh, so you don't want to go into an economic depression.
Then why the heck are you invading Ukraine?
Stop it.
You see, there's a lot of, let's say, progress that could be made outside of what some people on television are saying, we need to drop bombs on Russian targets.
That's a really bad idea.
Strength comes through clear communication and diplomacy.
Sanctions don't do much while we are propping up the Russian economy by importing 600,000 barrels of their oil every single day.
Continue by saying that in the meeting that needs to be brokered, the off-ramp, the Teddy Roosevelt moment that won a Nobel Peace Prize, which it seems that our leaders went from Teddy Roosevelt wanting to broker peace to now our leaders want a broker war.
It's an interesting development, isn't it?
The model is Teddy Roosevelt.
He ended a brutal conflict between Russia and Japan.
It seems our leader seems our current president is uninterested in that.
I don't even know one thing he said that was meaningful this weekend.
Nothing.
He's silent.
Cut seven, former Trump advisor Douglas McGregor says we need to stop demonizing Putin, lift all sanctions and stop providing weapons and aid.
Let me be very clear.
I don't agree with this totally, and I've invited him to come on this program.
I think there's some wisdom in this, but I think this goes too far.
I think that demonizing Putin is actually, in some ways, the morally correct argument.
I don't like it when strong countries invade weak countries.
I don't like it when America invaded Iraq for weapons of mass destruction.
I don't like it when Putin invades Ukraine.
I don't like it when we invaded Vietnam.
I don't like it.
Play cut seven.
This is not the liberal democracy, the shining example that everyone says it is.
Far from it.
Mr. Zelensky has jailed journalists and his political opposition.
I think we need to stay out of it.
The American people think we should stay out of it.
The Europeans think we should stay out of it.
And we should stop shipping weapons and encouraging Ukrainians to die in what is a hopeless endeavor.
So when you say stay out of it, you mean no sanctions, no military aid, just let Russia take the portion of Ukraine they want to take.
Yes, absolutely.
I see no reason why we should fight with the Russians over something that they have been talking about for years.
We simply chose to ignore it.
Now, staying out of it, militarily, I agree.
But America's the leader of the world, and we should at least lead in an attempt towards diplomacy.
By the way, Colonel McGregor is a total patriot.
I think the slander against him has been terrible.
I'm not going to get too far into that.
Let me say this.
Imagine Air Force One landing right now in Minsk, demanding a meeting between Putin and Zelensky, saying, we're here.
Mediation vs Escalating Conflict 00:03:10
We're going to broker this.
Come on.
No more.
You need a third party to mediate.
Same way in divorce proceedings or in arbitration.
Who is going to arbitrate the differences here?
Are more civilians going to die?
Now, while I think that our military intervention needs to be nothing in regards to the Russian-Ukrainian dispute, that does not mean we cannot put our own interests first while also pursuing an end to the war.
Our leader, lack thereof, our president, could be developing an off-ramp to peace.
Instead, it seems like he's doing the exact opposite.
It seems like we're ratcheting up the need for war.
Someone says, you know, do you agree with sending arms?
Have we tried all the off-ramps to peace?
It's my first question.
Have we forced the hand to peace right now before we send weapons that the Ukrainians likely don't know how they can use?
Have we tried the Teddy Roosevelt moment?
And most importantly, have we actually tried to unleash the American energy entrepreneur?
Stopping by, if we stop buying oil from Putin, that's worth a lot more than Stinger missiles in the hands of Ukrainians.
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So there's this dispute going back and forth where then Jennifer Griffin responded to Colonel Douglas McGregor on this.
This kind of goes to show the differences of opinions even on Fox News Network.
Play cut nine.
I just heard your last guess and I feel like I need to correct some of the things that Colonel Doug McGregor just said because, and I'm not sure 10 minutes is enough time to do so because there were so many distortions in what he just said and talking about the West and NATO vilifying Putin and sounding like an apologist for Putin.
So those, what he just said was so distorted that I do feel that our audience needs to know the truth.
Well, I don't know if the clip continues.
Macron, Sanctions, and World Order 00:04:23
I do want to know the distortions though, because Ukraine's not a democracy.
It's super corrupt and has been for quite some time.
So America could be leading, leading in de-escalation.
War is bad for the world.
War tends to get out of hand.
People die who were not intended to die.
Civilians die.
Other foreign nationals can die.
You get a whole mess of things.
World War I was awfully instructive in that, and so was World War II to some regard.
Why is America not leading in the de-escalation of this?
And that's not to say we shouldn't do sanctions.
I think there's a fair argument for that.
I think that if you invade another sovereign country, sanctions very well might be something that is a proper and appropriate response, especially after Putin lied about invading.
I don't like liars.
Oh, we're not going to invade.
We're not going to invade.
It's the West who's provoking this, and then he invades overnight.
I just don't like that, and you shouldn't either.
And I think that also the greatest sanction we could do is to actually put our own energy policy first.
So therefore, you're not necessarily over-involving yourself in world affairs.
You're actually saying we want to explore our own energy assets.
Okay, let's go to cut 14.
Russia and Ukraine were negotiating peace at the Belarus border.
I'm going to give you the update of that.
It basically fell apart.
Play cut 14.
Ukrainians and Russian officials are meeting in Belarus.
That's right.
We've actually got war and peace going on at the same time.
Peace talks while there is fighting here on the ground, here in the capital and in the major city of Kharkiv also.
Those peace talks are taking place on the border between Belarus and Ukraine.
Russia likely to ask for a full surrender by Ukraine.
Lay your weapons down.
We're in charge.
Ukraine looking for something very different, an immediate ceasefire and a pullback of Russian forces.
So the two sides very far apart.
But at least they're talking.
But after that, the shelling of Kyiv continued.
Now, Ukraine is attempting to fast-track to EU membership, which I don't quite understand the significance of that.
Also, just in FIFA and UEFA has now basically banned Russia from competing in the World Cup this summer.
So we'll keep eyes on that.
Putin tells Emmanuel Macron, which, I don't know, Putin with Emmanuel Macron.
There's something weird with that whole thing.
It's a power dynamic.
I don't think Putin respects Emmanuel Macron.
And if Emmanuel Macron is the best the West has to offer against Putin, we're in massive trouble.
I mean, we can't pick any.
I'll say this.
I would prefer Boris Johnson over Emmanuel Macron.
And I'm no Boris Johnson fan.
I think that Putin would take Angela Milko more seriously than Emmanuel Macron.
Goodness gracious.
It's the best we have.
I don't know what it is with Macron and Putin, but Putin tells Macron Ukraine neutrality and demilitarization is key to ending conflict.
The question is, can we believe Putin that he will stop the invasion and stop the shelling of Ukraine if they get guarantees that there is no NATO membership?
That remains to be seen.
Not sure I trust Putin in that regard, to be perfectly honest with you.
Cut 13, Ukrainian MP says, we know that we don't only fight for Ukraine, but for the new world order, and we are the shield for the Euro.
I'm sorry, what?
Play cut 13.
But right now, it's a critical time because we know that we not only fight for Ukraine, we fight for this new world order for the democratic countries.
We knew that we are the shield for the Euro.
Well, if that's what you're fighting for, you're not going to get my support.
I feel sorry that your people are dying and the civilians are in the way.
And I think we should do everything we possibly can to try to broker peace.
But if what you're fighting for is a new world order, if what you're fighting for is the endorsement of George Soros, which they have received, and the World Economic Forum, which they have received, then I think we should stay neutral on this.
If that's what they're fighting for, I'm not saying they deserve it.
I think Putin is wrong and he is reckless in his regard of invading another country and putting civilians' lives in danger.
But it certainly doesn't endear me to Ukraine the more you're saying you're fighting for the new world order.
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