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Feb. 15, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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COVID, Vaccines, Blood Clots, and MORE with Steve Kirsch: The Man the “Experts” Are to Scared to Debate
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With us is Steve Kirsch.
Steve, thank you so much for joining us.
Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Thanks.
It's great to be here.
Steve, I've enjoyed your sub stack over the last couple months.
Questioning Vaccine Safety Data 00:15:49
I read off your sub stack back in July, and the whole world decided to get outraged because I speculated that VARES might be low.
But first, just introduce yourself to our audience about how you got into this kind of journey of analyzing COVID data and we'll go from there.
Sure.
I was an executive at a high-tech company.
I've been a serial entrepreneur for years in Silicon Valley.
And when COVID hit, I wanted to do something that could make a difference.
And so I ended up starting the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund in order to fund scientists on early treatments, which many scientists viewed as the fastest, safest, and cheapest way to end the pandemic.
We were successful in finding drugs that worked.
One of them is fluvoxamine.
And that was a later, we showed that it worked.
It prevented hospitalization.
And then a year later, after the phase three trial was completed, it showed that if you took the drug early, that it would reduce death by a factor of 12.
And the medical community ignored that and still ignores it to this day.
So I still believed in the whole system, and I ended up getting the Moderna vaccine.
I got the first and second dose, and my family was doubly vexed as well.
And then a month later, I started hearing from my friends troubling things.
Like one person said that she had three relatives who died a week after they got the vaccine and they were perfectly healthy before then.
And then a week after I heard that my carpet cleaner came in and he told me that he had a heart attack two minutes after he got the vaccine and his wife was injured as well.
And at that point, I said, you know, that can't happen by chance.
It's really unlikely that it happens by chance.
And so I just started looking into the underlying science behind this rather than just listening to the experts.
And what I found was pretty appalling.
And the more evidence that I uncovered and looked at and talked with other scientists about, the more it was clear that we don't have a safe and effective vaccine.
We have a vaccine which is unsafe and ineffective, and that early treatment is the way to approach this virus.
Yeah, and they can't smear you as an anti-vaccine.
You got the vaccine yourself.
So you are open-minded, obviously.
Yeah, my journey is similar.
I didn't get the vaccine.
I didn't feel I need it.
I'm 28 and I had plenty of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, zinc, melatonin, and aspirin.
But in early May, right before my wedding, the last show we did was I decided to ask my audience, hey, does anyone know anyone that has been harmed or dropped dead after getting the vaccine?
Just asking our audience, then I go, get married, go on my honeymoon, come back and open my email to like 8,000 emails.
And the reason I asked the question is just in my own little kind of sphere of influence, I started to hear kind of one-off things like, oh, yeah, 38-year-old guy, he's a carpenter, perfectly healthy.
He just dropped dead.
I was like, that's weird.
If you hear two or three and then you model that out for the whole country, it doesn't take a degree in advanced mathematics to be like, oh, yeah, that's probably something that we should be concerned about.
So you started open-minded, and let's just kind of dive right into it.
What do you think most people need to know about the vaccine when it comes to potential damage it is doing to the country?
Well, the most important thing is that there is risk associated with the vaccine.
And where there is risk, there must be choice, as Dr. Robert Malone is fond of saying.
And so at a minimum, everybody should recognize that this vaccine is risky and therefore it should not be mandated.
You should never be mandated something that could end your life.
But the mathematics and the numbers are very clear that these vaccines are killing massive numbers of people.
And in fact, they are killing more people than they are saving.
And so to mandate that you get an medical intervention that is more likely to kill you than to save your life is immoral, it's unethical.
And, you know, there's no way to justify it.
And this is why none of the people who advocate for this will debate me or anybody else who shares my point of view that the vaccines are unsafe and ineffective.
In fact, the latest data shows that against Omicron, if you're triply boosted, or even if you're doubly boosted, after 90 days, the vaccine makes you more likely to get Omicron rather than less likely compared to an unvaccinated person.
And so, you know, not only is it more likely to kill you than to save you, but it's also going to make you more likely to get infected.
And so it makes no sense no matter which way from a safety point of view, it makes no sense from an efficacy point of view.
And especially in light of early treatments, where we have the Farid and Tyson protocol, which was created in March of 2020, and they've treated over 10,000 people with that.
And if you got it relatively early in the course of the disease, nobody dies.
And so that protocol has been suppressed.
They tried to get the NIH's attention on it way back when they created it, when George Farid and Brian Tyson created it.
And NIH was not interested in hearing any of the data or looking at any of the data or, you know, now you've got 10,000 treated with no deaths.
I mean, it's truly stunning and it shows you the power of early treatment.
And it's still, even to this day, being ignored by the authorities, which is truly tragic.
It is.
I want to ask you, you said that there are massive numbers that are showing that more people are dying from the vaccine.
Because whenever I mention this, Steve, people say, no, no, no, that's causation correlation.
It's like they get in a car accident after they get the vaccine.
That doesn't mean they're linked together.
Quickly walk us through how you can make that argument.
Well, I make the argument 13 different ways on my Substack.
So stevekirsch.substack.com.
And you can read the various articles and the backup data.
But the most primary data source is the VERIS data source, but there are other data sources as well, and they confirm the numbers.
And we compare that to the number saved from the randomized trials, which are the gold standard for numbers in this case.
And it's quite clear that it's negative in terms of far more people killed.
So basically, you take over 10,000 deaths reported into the VERIS system.
The VARIS system, using the CDC's own methodology, is 41 times underreported for significant adverse events.
And for minor adversary events, it's even more underreported.
And so you take 41 times 10,000 and you get 410,000.
You have to subtract off the number of people who had a COVID as a symptom and say, hey, you know, if we're going to be conservative here, let's just assume that all those people died from COVID, not from the vaccine.
But, you know, you're left with well over, you know, you're pretty much close to 400,000 excess deaths.
And then you have to ask the question, okay, so these are correlated with the vaccines, but maybe not caused by the vaccine.
So if they're not caused by the vaccine, what were they caused by?
I know, at least in my own circle, my lying, I believe my lying eyes, right?
Which is there's so many people that have disruptions.
And you're just talking about deaths, Steve, not the other things as well.
So Steve, I'm going to read from the New York Times.
It says that if you are vaccinated, you're six times more likely to survive than if you're unvaccinated.
You've seen these numbers before.
Walk us through the actual data.
Yeah, I actually have not seen those numbers.
And the problem with all of those numbers is that they don't look at all cause mortality.
All these things look at is mortality that's caused by COVID.
And that's a small fraction of the cause of death.
And so any of these studies that come out and make that claim, first of all, they need to be randomized controlled studies.
That's the gold standard for coming up with these numbers.
And the biggest cohorts that were done were done on the randomized trials that were done by the drug companies themselves.
So Pfizer did a randomized trial.
And what they found was that two people died who got the who got the placebo.
And one person died from COVID who got the drug.
So that's a 50% reduction.
That's a 2X reduction according to the randomized control trials, which is the gold standard.
So that's been done.
There hasn't been anything that's been done since then as far as I'm aware that it was a randomized double-blind control trial that had a death benefit because that trial would have to be huge in numbers to show a significant effect.
And so those numbers just don't exist.
The best that we have are the numbers from these trials.
And even Moderna, which had a slightly better effectiveness against prevention against death in their trial, the numbers were still small.
It was like, you know, three to one.
You know, so that's hardly, you know, that is not that much different than two to one.
But you see, this is like a kind of magician saying, well, pay attention to the number of lives I'm saying I'm saving over here.
And don't pay attention to the number of lives that I'm costing.
And so if you look at the Pfizer trial, you'll find that more people, 24% more people died who got the vaccine than who got the placebo.
So if you look at the total, the all-cause mortality, it was significantly higher in the group that got the vaccine.
In other words, what the study showed on its face is that, yeah, more people died who got the vaccine than who got the placebo.
Now, that's not supposed to happen.
It's supposed to be the other way around.
And when you mandate something, this is the really extraordinary part here, is that we're mandating a vaccine where the best data, the randomized double-blind trial shows more people, you're more likely to die if you got the vaccine and if you didn't get the vaccine.
That is unequivocal, equivocal.
I mean, it is in the published paper.
This is in the Pfizer six-month study that's published in the medical journals.
There is no doubt that, yes, this happened.
Now, people could argue and say, well, that's because it was small numbers and it's not statistically significant.
And they can have all of these hand-waving arguments to dismiss that.
But you see, you can't go and mandate something where there is no scientific evidence of a death benefit.
And in fact, when the scientific evidence is showing that it's just the opposite, where it's showing that the scientific evidence shows that it is more likely that you're going to die if you get the vaccine, that's something that nobody should mandate or even consider mandate.
And this, of course, is why nobody wants to debate any of us because we bring out little inconvenient truths like that.
And, you know, it's the same thing for masks.
You know, we have the inconvenient truth that both the randomized studies that were done on masks, both of them that are being relied on by doctors and scientists, both of them showed that the cloth masks and surgical masks did absolutely nothing.
And so people don't want to talk about that.
I want to walk through the new information.
It shows that there's a 40% increase in deaths for young people between 18 and 64.
You covered that, I believe, in your substack.
And what could possibly be causing that?
Well, we're not allowed to talk about it, but we will on this program.
So, Stephen, there has been a 40% reported increase in deaths for people ages between 18 and 64.
40%, 10% would be considered catastrophic.
What could possibly be causing this?
Well, this was reported by the CEO of an Indiana insurance company, One America.
And they're a $100 billion company, and they reported a 40% increase.
And that's it's 12, that's a 12 sigma increase over what they would normally see.
In other words, the 40% increase did not, what this means is that the increase did not happen by chance.
Something must have caused that because if it was chance, this it would be an event that wouldn't even occur once in the age of the universe.
So it didn't happen by chance.
When you get to 12 sigma, it didn't happen by chance.
So something caused this elevation in deaths.
And of course, people like me believe that the vaccine is the cause because the CEO of the life insurance company said that it wasn't caused by COVID because the COVID cases were actually going down.
And these 40% increases were happening in both the third and the fourth quarter.
And so there are some other evidence that we have.
I've been interviewing, spending my time interviewing embalmers lately.
And those people are kind of the end of the line for most people.
Before they go six feet under, the last person that they see is the embalmer.
And so it's really interesting to collect data from embalmers.
And I've talked to a couple of them so far.
And what they tell me is very troubling.
I talked to Richard Hirschman.
And he said about 65% of his cases in January had these very, very odd coagulations of these blood clots in people that he couldn't embalm them because he couldn't get the embalming fluid into these bodies because of the blood clots.
The Blood Clot Scandal 00:05:16
And he says people can't survive with these blood clots.
And it explains why people don't survive, why they suddenly just think, you know, they can be talking one minute and they faint over.
And a lot of times they're dead at that point.
And it happens completely unexpectedly.
And so that's why you read about all these people who die unexpectedly at an early age.
And they all have one thing in common, which is they were relatively recently vaccinated.
But what's really interesting about these clots, though, and it can explain why there's this massive 40% increase in these death rates.
And the death rates, by the way, are flat.
They're very, very constant from year to year.
They don't change much at all from year to year.
So to get this 40% rise, something really has to be occurring.
And so when you look at 65% for one embalmer and another embalmer I talked to of the last 30 cases she did, 93%, this is Anna Foster.
This is all documented on my Substack.
You can see the original videos on my channel on Rumble, and you can see the interviews with these embalmers.
But they're describing blood clots that have never been seen before before the COVID vaccines.
And I just got off the phone right before this with Kerry Watkins.
He's been an embalmer for 62 years.
He's now retired, but he knows Richard Hirschman.
And he said not only does he know Richard Hirschman, but he would vouch for Richard Hirschman.
And he and he, Kerry, has never seen in his 62 years of embalming blood clots like this.
So something is killing people at a massive rate here.
When you talk about now, this woman, one embalmer, I mean, this doesn't mean that all embalmers are getting 93% of their cases.
You know, clearly, Richard was only seeing 65% of her cases.
This is more extreme.
And she's not in any kind of specialized community, but she's seen 93% in the last 30 cases she looked at had these telltale clots.
And so this is why when you put two and two together, the Occam's razor approach here is that, yeah, the vaccines are causing this.
Would there be any other explanation, fentanyl overdosing or pent up, you know, being kind of cooped up, deaths of isolation, I suppose, suicide?
Because that would be the regime's argument, or is that just yeah, of course.
But the trouble is that these clots have never been seen before in history by anyone.
Not a single person has observed these clots before.
So if they're lockups and, you know, any of these things, and what have the lockups happened before, right?
And how can you explain that locking people up?
There's no mechanism of action that says, hey, if I lock you in a room, your blood is going to coagulate and you're going to die.
You know, that just doesn't happen.
There has to be, there's a principles that we use, the Bradford Hill criteria.
And there are five Bradford Hill criteria for a vaccine.
And these have to do with is this repeatable?
Is there a mechanism of action that explains it?
Was the person fine before the intervention?
And then when the intervention happens, you know, it's all of these things, you know, sort of logically you'd think about.
And so when you look at the vaccines here, it kind of meets all of those criteria for the cause.
Because here's the interesting thing: that the coagulation that these blood clots only happen in people who've been vaccinated.
Isn't that interesting?
You would think that would be worth looking into.
You would.
You would think when 93% in some areas are being killed with these blood clots, you would think that this would be an emergency, that the CDC would be, they would have all hands on deck looking into this.
Not a single call to these embalmers from the CDC or the FDA or the NIH.
I can't explain that one, Charlie.
Could you?
Well, you have any ideas why that I mean, I got my ideas.
I would like to hear yours.
I mean, what you're describing is potentially, you know, a once in a hundred year scandal, public health scandal.
And so let me ask you, is this negligence or is this criminal activity?
It's an important distinction.
CDC Silence on Deaths 00:03:51
Well, I think that depends on who you ask at the CDC.
So I think there are people at the FDA and the CDC that know what's going on and they look the other way.
So for example, Stephen A. Anderson, who works at the FDA, he's the top guy in charge of safety at the FDA.
And he pretty much looks the other way.
I mean, all attempts to contact Stephen A. Anderson at the FDA that I have met made end up in failure.
And I say, hey, you know, we'd like to talk to you.
We'd like to show you the data.
If you don't want to believe me, here are some very credible scientists who published multiple peer-reviewed papers in medical journals.
And they'll be delighted to share with you the safety data, and you should listen to this data.
Silence from all of these guys, anybody you can't talk to, is silence.
We don't want to talk about it.
We don't want to see the data.
And we don't want to be recorded when you show us the data.
And so there's clearly corruption.
And there is, of course, there are people at the CDC who are basically just, they don't know any of this.
They don't see the attempts that were made to communicate with these people.
They don't know that I offered a million dollars to all of the members of the outside committees of the CDC and FDA, if they would just spend a few hours talking with me, just a million dollars to just to come to the table.
And they refused that.
And I said, okay, fine.
If a million dollars isn't enough, you know, and you can donate it to charity.
It's not a bribe.
It's just to compensate you for your time and to incentivize you to talk with us.
Then name your price.
And nobody would name their price.
These people are basically, they know when you turn down a million-dollar offer just to have a chat.
You don't do that out of just not knowing anything.
You know what you're doing is wrong.
And you basically don't want to have this known publicly.
And that's why you turn these things down.
There's no, I can't think of another reason.
I mean, Charlie, if I offered you a million dollars to talk to me, would you talk to me?
Well, I was just going to say, where's my million dollars?
I mean, come on, we're having a talk here about all your favorite data.
I mean, this is not fair.
But that's okay, because the truth matters more than money.
I mean, I think of Nuremberg.
I think of trying to hold these people accountable.
What you are diving into, and by the way, I just want to reinforce why I think you're so credible, is you took the vaccine, which I find to be super interesting.
And so we have like a minute and a half now because I talked a little bit.
Do you think that there will be justice for some of these people that have actually been kind of criminally involved or at worst or at best negligent?
I sure hope so, because what's being done is wrong.
But the way the law works, you know, first of all, they protect themselves.
You know, if these vaccines were truly safe and effective, then why do we need liability protection?
I mean, people should ask that question.
Why do, you know, you're telling us it's safe and effective and nobody's died.
Why do we need liability protection?
I mean, the other question people should ask is: hey, how did all of these people, all of a sudden, Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, Chris Martinson, Brett Weinstein, you know, how do all these people all at the same time suddenly decide to go, you know, rogue?
Seeking Justice for Victims 00:02:36
It doesn't happen.
Yeah.
So sorry to cut you off, but it's like, yeah, they all decide we want to destroy our career and be called the worst thing you could be called, right?
Which be calling it, be called an anti-vaxxer is up there with being called a racist in today's kind of, you know, world.
I mean, it is a career ender.
And from Brett Weinstein to Malone, McCullough, to all these people you mentioned, Katagini to Pier Corey, to yourself, it's not like everyone's like, you know, I really think my career needs to be destroyed today, right?
I mean, that's it doesn't, they did it because they were so compelled by the evidence and the data.
And they come after us too, which I don't care.
They write these stories that I'm platforming anti-vax people.
Like, no, I'm actually just really interested why there's a 40% increase in deaths between for people my age and whether or not the vaccine had anything to do with it.
I'm not saying there is.
You are.
I'm just really interested in that.
So, Steve, I have an unusual question for you.
And I mean, no offense by asking this, but a lot of people in our audience are probably in your position where they got the vaccine and they regret getting the vaccine.
Do you worry about potential side effects to yourself?
And if so, what have you been doing to try to mitigate that?
So the answer to that is yes.
I checked where I was.
I went through the panel at covidlonghaulers.com.
And so this is a cytokine panel to test to see if I'm affected.
And I was not.
I also have had my D-dimer checked and it was normal.
But still, I'm, you know, I have trouble.
I have to clear my throat quite a bit since I've been vaccinated and never had that issue before.
My blood glucose has gone more or less out of control for some periods of time after getting the vaccine, which has not done before.
I'm a type 2 diabetic.
And so what I do is I take NAC on a regular basis.
I take vitamin D.
I try to eat healthy.
And, you know, but there's not much to do.
I think I got lucky.
You know, there's some speculation that they're bad batches or bad vials of these vaccines.
And I think I may have lucked out in terms of getting doses of a vaccine which were not harmful, or that I have an immune system which was able to, you know, somehow protect me from these vaccines.
Why We Don't Trust the CDC 00:03:39
But the most important thing is to not make the same mistake.
I definitely regret having been injected twice.
I will not be injected again with this vaccine or with any other vaccine unless there is proof of safety data.
And it turns out that these vaccines are not the only unsafe vaccines that the CDC is supposed to assess of the safety of vaccines every few years.
They haven't been doing that.
They were sued.
They admitted that they did it, but they're still not doing it.
So I'm very skeptical going forward of anything coming out of the CDC because it's all been bad advice.
When you look at it, it's almost like the best advice to give people.
And I'm not saying that this will be true in the future, but certainly for COVID, if you had listened to everything that the CDC told you to do and just did the opposite, you would have been much better off.
They told you that early treatments don't work.
They told you that ivermectin didn't work.
They told you to take remdesivir.
They told you, you know, don't do anything until you can't breathe and then check yourself into the hospital.
They told you that masks work and gave you the false impression that a surgical mask or a cloth mask or even an N95 mask would protect you against COVID.
And so, you know, you'd go around thinking, yeah, you're protected, when in fact, these interventions do nothing.
And nobody wants to talk to any of us, any of our scientists about this.
Nobody wants to talk to us on camera.
This has never occurred in the United States where a health authority would actually agree to be challenged by someone who's competent.
So, anyway, The bottom line is I basically listen to the CDC and I pretty much just, that is a tip off of what not to do.
These new drugs like Molnopirivir and Paxlovid and so forth is like, hey, if the, right now, if the FDA and the CDC are recommending something, I'm like, boy, I'm like moving in the other direction and I'm doing my own independent research.
And every single time.
I do that independent research, what I find is that I'm being lied to and I should, in fact, avoid these interventions that the government says is safe and effective.
And nobody wants to debate me on what the science says or any of my other, the 30 or more scientists that I collaborate with.
We're going to have to have you back on soon.
The demand for you, Steve, is amazing.
The people love you.
And I want to thank you for what you've done.
I think you're a very credible communicator on this in more ways than one, truly.
It's Steve Kirsch's Substack.
Please check it out, everybody.
And you guys can help him out and support him there.
And I have so many other questions.
And to do the opposite to the CDC, it's like not a good thing for the country, actually.
I wish we had a CDC we could trust.
We need a CDC we could trust, actually.
But that's the way it is.
Steve, thank you so much.
I wish we had more time left to have you back.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening.
God bless.
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