Un-Cancellable in Christ with Duck Commander Phil Robertson
On one of the most biblically sourced & sound episodes of The Charlie Kirk Show to date, Charlie is joined by Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty fame. In reality, as this conversation reveals—there’s much more to Phil’s what you see on reality TV. They discuss the rise and advent of “Cancel Culture,” offer advice to America’s youth who may stand to find themselves victims of that heinous act, share some tips & tribulations from the world of marriage, and so, so much more. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
With us is an American icon and someone who I really look up to and I've been wanting to talk to for quite some time, Phil Robertson, who is the author of a new book called Uncanceled.
Phil, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
It's an honor to have you.
And tell us a little bit about your book.
Well, it's good to be here.
I wrote this one for the saved in America, finding meaning and peace with what's going on in a culture of accusations, shame, and condemnation.
I'd never heard of a cancel culture for a while until one day a guy walked in front of me.
That's about seven or eight years ago.
He walked up to my chair.
They said he was a reporter from a magazine.
And I said, what magazine are you with?
He said, GQ magazine.
I said, what is that?
What's the GQ stand for?
He said, Gentleman's Quarterly.
I said, Gentlemen's Quarterly.
So he asked me a question.
Did I believe homosexual behavior was a sin?
And I quoted 1 Corinthians chapter 9, verse 6.
So when I did that, they turned on me and they tried to cancel me, Kirk.
They tried to cancel me, but I thought, well, I'm still here.
So I wrote the book so that the people who are saved will not get shook up when they come at them.
And they're coming.
They are coming.
And so this reporter, he just kind of scoots up to you.
And he obviously had an agenda.
He wanted to try to destroy you and cancel you.
Rejecting Worldly Judgment00:15:32
So you've seen America kind of decline in this respect in the last couple of decades.
What are we supposed to make of cancel culture where it's now journalists' incentives to try to go around and destroy people's lives?
I mean, it's actually really unhealthy for our country.
And walk us through that.
The answer is this.
I had a college professor who taught history for 40 years.
I said, get all the empires that there ever was.
I want to know all of the empires all the way up to America, China, Russia, India, the four.
That's for probably the biggest one standing.
So I said, I want to know about all of the empires and what happened to them.
Without fail, every single one of them collapsed.
All of them.
And the more I read in the Bible, the more I see why what's happening in our culture, a lot of them don't realize it.
But listen to this.
I mean, if you want to talk about something that's sad, you got to remember, I'm not mad.
I'm sad.
Since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, Romans 1.
You're like, uh-oh.
Look, there hasn't been any God in the school system, the universities, in high school, junior high.
I mean, you can't even pray to the God of heaven.
60 years.
It's been that way.
When you don't think it's worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, just listen to this.
He gave them over to a depraved mind to do what ought not to be done.
They've become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, depravity.
They're full of envy, murder.
They slaughter their own children in the womb.
Strife, deceit, malice.
They are gossips, slanderers, God haters, insolent, arrogant, and boastful.
They invent ways of doing evil.
They disobey their parents.
They're senseless, faithless, heartless, and ruthless.
And think about it.
One came to set me up at my door.
He had one thing on his agenda.
Take him out.
So if you look at it logically, you say the next phase we're going to go through, unless something is done about it.
And I don't think it's a political fix, my man.
I think it's a spiritual fix.
I don't think the government flawed men in positions of power.
I don't think they're going to buy into Jesus wholesale.
So I think probably one at a time, two at a time, then there's 10, then there are 100.
Only with an awareness of God.
Love God and love your neighbor are the two greatest commands in the Bible, and they're scoffed at.
Those two texts out there, those two things, love of God and love your neighbor, it's a big deal, my man.
I couldn't agree more.
And, you know, in Romans 1, you would go through the same period of time of the sexual revolution, 1960s.
And then you had the kind of fornication moment, which you're not allowed to say.
And then you have gender confusion, which is what is happening now.
Yep.
Romans 1 walks through all of that.
So look, you got the Apostle Paul talking to Timothy, a preacher.
Young Timothy.
Yeah.
Young Timmy.
Mark this, meaning whatever you do, don't forget this.
There will be terrible times in the last days.
Let's see if we're in them yet.
People will be lovers of themselves.
Huh.
Lovers of money.
They are boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful.
I mean, ball players making millions of dollars.
You're like, they won't even stand when the flag is being shown and the Star-Spangled Banner.
You're like, they're making millions of dollars.
They are ungrateful, unholy, without love.
And guess what?
Unforgiving.
The council crowd looks at whom it can pounce on for a mistake.
They're looking for sin, and they themselves are full of sin.
So you have sinners chasing sinners, and they're looking back in history.
And if someone made a mistake, they wouldn't forgive them till Jesus comes back.
They're not going to forgive them.
And when you start looking at it logically, you say, without forgiveness, how in the world is this culture going to make it?
So I only bring it up to let you know that all of these great empires collapse.
And this one will be no different than the rest of them.
So it scares me if you know what I'm saying.
It does.
And so, you know, if you believe we're in the end times, there's a couple different ways to look at that.
And I'd love your perspective on it because eschatology can sometimes be an excuse for inaction where people believe that the world's falling apart.
You know, the house is on fire.
Let's get the kids out.
Jesus is coming next Thursday.
We're not going to talk about this stuff.
We're not going to contest for truth.
What does the Bible say?
What do you believe we have to do?
Even if you think things are falling into place, not falling apart.
Here's what we're going to have to do.
The fruit of the spirit.
Well, let me give you the negative first.
Oh, that's right.
It comes right before it, before love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness and self-control.
Yeah.
You say the acts of the sinful nature are obvious.
Let's see if it's we're here in the United States yet.
Top of the list, sexual immorality.
I like to tell you, man, you can't even watch a ball game these days without some chick the booze flying up and down.
I said, hey, I just want to watch a ball game.
Why don't we just get away from that for a couple of hours?
Witchcraft, idolatry, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and the like.
But the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, patience, which you mentioned, you say, we have to do that in front of our neighbor.
Look, these guys have tried to cancel me.
Charlie, I'm not mad at them.
I haven't retaliated.
I'm just trying to get them to see that all their sins could be removed if they'd just come to Jesus.
They could be raised from the dead.
I've never heard a story that dealt with immortality like this one.
And so I'm trying to get them.
I'm like, why don't you just stop a minute and think all your sins in the Avalat are removed and you're guaranteed you can be raised from the dead.
Why wouldn't at least you investigate how that came to be?
And I said, take a look at Jesus Christ.
2020 years ago, 22, he came in flesh.
And for the life of me, our calendars are based on him.
And they won't investigate him and follow him.
So until they do, this empire will collapse like the rest of them.
I'm trying to head it off.
And the question is, you know, what can we do about it?
What can we preserve?
And should we still attempt to try and conserve the land that we're in?
In Jeremiah 29, 7, it says, please go ahead.
I'm just saying, governments have to have them.
If you have a constitutional republic, you're way ahead of the other ones.
You're in good shape.
Why destroy it?
Because governments, I understand, they can't remove our sin, yours or mine.
They can't remove our sin, and they can't raise us from the dead.
So my allegiance is to Jesus Christ.
But you say, but you're trying, as the founding fathers did.
It was John Adams who said, what if you picked a place in the world and had an empire out there?
And they all had the Bible as their directive and the way to live.
And they all loved God and love their neighbor.
What a utopia that would be.
Our founders, they knew what was going on, and they gave us the greatest country on earth.
And we about screwed this thing up with all these edicts from the government.
No God in the school system or anywhere else, really.
So to the saved, we either have to change the minds of our neighbors, live a godly life so that they see, or we just have to trust in God and take our chances, no matter what happens to the country.
Amen.
Well, you, you know your Bible, my friend.
Tell us about your story.
How did you find Jesus?
It's a pretty amazing and moving testimony.
I was a child of the 60s.
Uh-oh.
And look, I'm running around like a dog chasing his tail, smoking dope, getting drunk, and getting laid.
Not in that particular order, but that was pretty well the way what worked.
And you say, at 28, I ran Miss K off, my family and my kids run them off.
And I had a moment and they tried to send an old guy down there as I'm preacher.
And a year earlier, I said, where is that dude?
I want to talk to him some more.
And he's the one that pointed me to Jesus.
And I read about him.
And I said, well, what in the world am I doing?
So I repented and I turned to Jesus at that point.
And it goes without saying, I've been mightily blessed financially and spiritually.
I know it will work.
It worked with me and others that I've met through the years.
So we just point them to Jesus one at a time.
Maybe if enough of us do that, and I'm hoping everyone will, we just, they keep coming from what we do on that podcast.
They come down all the way to Louisiana.
Some of them said they're from Samoa.
And I said, Samoa?
I said, y'all come a long way.
That 500 miles northeast of New Zealand.
I said, what are y'all doing here?
They said, we just want to talk to you, Mr. Robinson.
Why don't you baptize us?
So they come all the way down there.
We baptize them.
I've never worn a mask except when I was a little boy playing, you know, Roy Rogers, the Westerns.
I've never worn a mask.
And I'm not much on the six-foot ruling and all that.
I never caught the virus, but I had plenty of opportunities that I've caught it.
That's one thing for sure.
But I'm just trying to do it by pointing to Jesus, live a life worthy of my calling.
If enough of us do that, I would think we could get their attention.
Well, amen.
So, your child of the 60s, not in any particular order, but you said drug sex and rock and roll or whatever.
I'm not judging.
That's fine.
And but this is an important point because this current younger generation, we have a lot of younger listeners, a lot of younger viewers.
They're living through a similar, but in some ways different type of generational moment that is inundated with marijuana and you know alcohol and kind of a pleasure-focused society.
Talk about how that actually really is an empty way to live.
Well, it won't give you peace of mind.
Only the Spirit of God does that.
In other words, if you do what's right, Philippians 4:7.
That's right.
You bet you.
I like 1 John over there because he makes an interesting statement that's kind of an eye-opener.
1 John, where does it be?
Let's see.
Here's something interesting.
This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God.
And every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God.
So start with Jesus.
Every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.
So pick your soulmates carefully.
This is the spirit of the Antichrist, the ones who don't believe in Jesus, which you heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
So he was there 2,000 years ago when this was written.
Check this out.
You, dear children, here's what I would tell an 18-year-old college-age person right now: you, dear children, the saved, are from God and have overcome them because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
You say, We have the edge here.
If Jesus is out of your equation, you don't have the edge on them.
Watch.
They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world.
And the world listens to them.
That's the ones that are canceling people.
Just run of the meal people.
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us.
But whoever is not from God does not listen to us.
This is how you can recognize the spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
Do they put their faith in Jesus?
So to the young bucks, I say, and I've talked to many, many, many, I just point them to Jesus and say, because of what Jesus has done for us and who we are, he's the king of a spiritual kingdom inside of the Constitutional Republic.
We're operating under King Jesus.
He's the one that dictates how we roll, and we roll that way.
You can overcome the world if you do that because judgment one day is coming.
The problem with America, listen to this.
You therefore have no excuse, Romans chapter 2.
You who pass judgment on someone else.
I told you a while ago, sinners attacking sinful men, but a lot of saved men and women.
You who pass judgment on someone else, whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself because you who pass judgment on others do the same things.
So we can't get into the cancellation business.
As Christians, I'm a follower of Jesus, but I'm never going to stand up and say, well, I'm going to judge you and you can't.
Loving Enemies Gently00:02:26
I'm just going to point them to Jesus.
I'm going to love God and I'm going to love my neighbor.
And I say, look, if you ever thought about following Jesus, look, this is who he is.
This is what he said.
This is what he did.
This is what he's now doing.
This is what he will do.
And I point him to Jesus.
And amazingly, many young bucks thank me all the time for stopping and showing them the way.
And that will set them free.
And so they tried to cancel you.
They failed miserably, but it was probably a chapter that you could describe as a trial.
Talk about what the scriptures say about trials.
We should be thankful in trials.
James 1:5, that we should pray generously for wisdom and God will give it abundantly.
And it's right near there all about persecution.
Talk about how the scriptures help you through that and how it actually gives you comfort because we're promised persecution.
So get this in your head, all you young bucks out there.
The Lord's servant, I'm one of them, must not quarrel.
You're like, hmm.
So you're not going to sit there, yeah, yeah, yeah, with somebody.
Nope.
Instead, you young bucks listening, he must be kind to everyone.
You say, kind to everyone, even your enemies, kind to everyone.
Able to teach, know where to find the verses and know what Jesus said.
Jesus said, Hey, if they hated me, they're going to hate you too.
Every person who lives a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
Just take it as a badge of honor.
So, able to teach if the Lord's servant is his Lord's servant, not resentful.
Those who oppose him, always opposition.
We have plenty, cancer culture one.
He must gently instruct.
You just can't slam them over the head with the Bible and beat it into their head.
So you are gently instructing them in the hope that God will grant them repentance, leading them to a knowledge of the truth.
Jesus died, was buried, and raised from the dead, and that they will come to their senses.
Now, the serious part and escape from the trap of the devil who's taken them captive to do his will.
Truth and Neighbor Love00:05:19
So I have to do this carefully.
That's why I'm sad about what the cancel culture does, but I'm not mad at them.
And I don't view them as my enemies.
And even if I did, I'd still love them.
I'd love them, show them Jesus by my life and my words, and go on down the road and tell some more.
So let's talk about that idea of love.
I think some Christians agree with you and they'll say, well, Mr. Phil, you say we should love people, love God, love God, love people, the two commandments.
Then why is it that you have some bad things?
Not they'll say bad things or controversial things to say about people in a homosexual lifestyle.
Why don't you love them, Mr. Phil?
Yep, I love them, but I think there's a better life for them and immortality is hanging in the balance.
Let no debt, this is Romans 13, let no debt pay your debts.
Let no debt remain outstanding, except now just think about this, the continuing debt to love one another.
For he who loves his fellow man, here is something profound, has fulfilled the law.
You're like, how in the world could you feel the law?
And all these don't do this, do this, don't do that.
How could you fulfill that by loving your neighbor?
If you love him, you won't mess with his woman.
If you love him, you're not going to shoot him.
And if you love him, when he makes a mistake, you would forgive him.
And on Therefore, the commandments: do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, and whatever other commandments there are in the entire Bible, I'll add, summed up in this one rule: love your neighbor as yourself.
And here's the kicker.
And this flies in the face of this counterculture crowd.
Love does no harm to its neighbor.
You're like, that's right.
Love does no harm.
Ember, you say, we have a love deficit in these United States of America.
It's a love deficit, my man.
Therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law.
All of those, all of those don't do, do this.
You say, just love God and love each other.
I don't see the downside to it for young or old.
I do not see the downside with your life characterized by loving God and loving your neighbor.
Do you?
No, I think you're spot on.
And sometimes love means we have to tell people the truth.
And also, we conflate the different types of love in America: agape, phileo, eros, and storge, all sorts of different types of love in the Greek, a romantic love, eros, storge, a parent-child love, phileo, a brotherly love, or agape, a sacrificial love.
And I believe Paul was using agape in this particular, or he might have been using phileo or story, I can't remember, but definitely John 3:16 is agape.
Talk about how sometimes the loving thing is to tell the truth.
Well, you shall know the truth.
If you hold to my teaching, then you're really my disciples.
Then you'll know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Well, they started arguing with Jesus when he told a group of individuals this, and they said, What are you talking about?
We're not slaves, anyone.
He said, Everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
So, let me get this right.
The truth sets you free.
You come to Jesus, set you free from Satan.
You say, Woo!
Set you free from sin, every mistake you've ever made.
You're free from that.
Set you free from guilt that usually comes with an immoral lifestyle.
Set you free from law, having to be perfect.
Jesus comes down in flesh, keeps the law.
He wrote it, but he kept it, and turned around and died to get us out from under.
Put us under grace.
You're like, what a great thing.
And the last thing it sets you free from, the truth, set you free from the grave.
Everybody's going to go six foot deep, or they're going to have burn them to ashes.
But you say, there is a guaranteed built-in resurrection from the dead on what Jesus did when he showed up.
So I've asked atheists and this one and that one, the other, I understand what y'all are going through.
understand that you're a little bit bad, but look, is there a downside to following Jesus?
Marriage and Better Stories00:03:37
I mean, do you have a better story?
What's your story?
I have a story about God making the cosmos, coming down in flesh a couple thousand years ago, dying on a cross to pay for my rotten sorry hide, and guaranteed I'd be raised from the dead.
gives me his spirit so I can live a spiritual life with help from him while I'm here.
I just don't see the downside to it.
And I ask them, do they have a better story?
Most of them say, we do not have a better story.
It is the only worldview that promises bodily resurrection.
That's it.
That's why I follow Jesus and write a book from time to time.
Amen.
Well, I just got married back in May.
A lot of young people are afraid to get married.
Talk a little bit about marriage.
Talk about, should young people get married?
Is it something that's worthwhile pursuing?
Well, so everyone to know, I hope all you young folks are listening to this because I know it's going to surprise you.
If you marry, you've not sinned.
This is 1 Corinthians 7, and usually it gets a lag, but it is a serious thing.
If you do marry, you have not seen.
And if a virgin marries, she's not sinned.
But all you young bucks out there and young ladies, listen to this.
Those who marry will face many troubles in this life.
And I want to spare you that.
Everybody said, wait a minute here.
You mean it's built in that I will face more troubles if I marry than if I don't marry.
There'll be some more troubles.
You'll have more troubles.
So Dan over here, Dan, the eunuch, I call him.
Dan doesn't date.
Dan doesn't, he hadn't married anybody.
And his daddy was kind of the same way.
And I asked him one day, I said, his daddy's name is Gary.
I said, Gary, this was way before Dan was born.
I said, Gary, I've never heard you say an unkind word.
I've never seen you make a mistake.
So I've got it down to a couple of things.
You are either some kind of angelic being sent down here to spy on us, or you're squirrely, one or the other.
Which one is it?
He said, I'm not squirrely.
He said, I've learned to buffet my dotted body and keep it in check.
And he says, therefore, he said, I'm good to go.
No troubles.
I said, there's a girl up there at church, one of the sisters.
She's just like you are.
Read your Bible, but no dating, nothing.
Gary ain't dated no one for years.
Never talked about winning ever.
So he starts dating this woman, Pam, and they marry.
Well, Dan and his brother came from that marriage.
One of them married, got a bunch of kids.
Dan over there, he decided to be a eunuch.
He renounced marriage.
He said, no marriage for me.
Jesus said, there's three kinds of people who are eunuchs.
Some are born that way.
That was Dan.
Some are made that way, unfortunately.
And the third one is some don't marry like the Apostle Paul because of the kingdom of God and all the work he's got to do and the danger of it all.
He just said, I'll forego marriage.
So you young bucks remember that.
You know, it's okay if you don't want to marry.
All I can say is it's cheaper to roll by yourself.
Jesus Gives Hope00:05:46
No doubt about that.
And my man here, old Kirk, has learned that the hard way because he's married now.
He's sucking out a little more bread than he was.
Right?
That's right.
You can say that again.
So, you know, kind of in closing here, you keep referencing the scriptures and the Bible's under a lot of attack.
They've removed the Ten Commandments from courtrooms, schools, public areas.
Talk about the word of God.
Talk about the one story with one author in 66 separate books.
It's something that many of our listeners are not even familiar with.
What has it meant for your life?
And talk about it.
Yeah, it's such a great story that when you look at all the texts and add them all up, 41 people, I think, 40, 41 put all this together.
I don't see how that many individuals could have ended up and all the prophets making all these predictions, hundreds of years, thousands of years.
Genesis 3, 15, it starts out, talking to Satan, man has just fallen.
Someone from the seed of a woman will crush your head before this is over.
One little statement.
And you just follow that all the way to Jesus.
It is astounding how that many people could have made that many predictions and tell the same story.
It's just not possible, I don't think, unless it was inspired from God.
So I just looked at all of it and added it all up.
And I said, you know what?
I think I'll just follow God and take my chances with him.
All scripture is God-breathed.
It's useful for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting and training in righteousness so that the man of God will be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
This is really a healthy thing, your Bible, and you're applying the principles to it.
There's just no mistakes there.
That's just all there is to it.
It's a wonderful book, great book.
And I wish we had more people in our country that took it seriously and studied it and pondered over it and prayed over it.
And I would tell all the younger people that listen to the show there, I would just tell them, you get out and you seek God, begin to put these scriptures into practice, and you'll grow in the faith as you can give your life to it.
Just remember, all of us are going to go six feet deep in a hole.
This is the answer that gives you hope.
It's the only thing I've found since I've been on planet Earth that gives you hope beyond the grave.
Check him out.
So any other little nuggets of wisdom for our nation's youth, young people that you're talking straight to a millions of them.
What do you have to say?
I would just get out there and I would roam through the woods like I do.
I drive to town.
Let me tell you, young people, something.
I know you think this is crazy.
I've never purchased a cell phone.
I don't own one.
Never had one.
I've never turned on a computer.
Dan is the computer man.
He sets this all up, these things we do.
But I personally have never clicked on the internet or anywhere else.
Now, I might be just a little too far out there, but I'll give you this.
It is a lot more quieter.
And everybody I ask, what am I missing?
They say, Robinson, you're really not missing that much.
So I just didn't want to deal with all of the people.
And I get cursed enough as it is.
So if you're cursing me or don't like me, trust me when I tell you, I'm not getting that info.
I'm computer-free.
Yeah, I would encourage a lot of young people to disconnect and unplug.
One final time.
The book is called Uncancelable.
Any other thoughts on the book you wanted to talk?
I know we talked about a lot of other stuff except the book.
Most of them that have read these first copies, they've really said that, you know, Robinson, that is a hard argument to get around finding meaning.
Jesus, when we all sin to begin with, when we get old enough to sin, we sin, he cancels us.
All have sinned.
The wages of sin is death.
So he's canceled us.
And when you come to him by faith, he uncancels you and says, you're good to go.
Love God, love your neighbor are the only two things.
Look, a lot of people think it's laborious with all these laws.
All they have to remember is all that's required here is just love God and love your neighbor.
Everything's going to be okay.
You'll be fine.
You don't have to get here and do every little thing, feel guilty every time you get up by mistakes you made.
You just get up, give them to Jesus.
He's at the right hand of the Father mediating for us.
So no past sins are counted against us.
No future sins are counted against us.
We just confess them and he removes them.
You're like, boy, he's made us a good deal here.
I'm just saying, it's a great deal.
Well said.
Well, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom.
And the book is uncancelable.
And I'd love to talk scriptures with you again sometime soon.
A great honor.
Thank you.
All right, man.
Talk to you soon.
God bless.
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