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Sept. 19, 2020 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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A Coup Against Trump? Color Revolution Explained with Darren Beattie

Mass demonstration, widespread civil unrest, and “peaceful protests”—are these just a sign of normal First Amendment activism? Or is it a sign of something more coordinated and sinister? Charlie is joined by Darren Beattie, founder of Revolver.News...

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Is There A Coup 00:02:04
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
Thrilled to be joined today by Darren Beattie, who is the founder of Revolver.news.
If you guys have not yet checked out Revolver, it's a terrific website.
The president actually just tweeted about Revolver recently.
It's a news aggregator that actually talks about things that are good for our country.
Darren, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Great to be here.
Thank you for having me, Charlie.
I saw you on Tucker the other day, and I immediately texted you.
Eastern Europe Tactics 00:04:35
I said, it's been too long.
You got to come on the Charlie Kirk show.
Been following your writings for quite some time.
You were talking about a color revolution.
You were talking about potentially, this is a very heavy word, but a coup against the president.
Can you talk about what a color revolution is and some of the facts that you are starting to see kind of on the landscape that could kind of point towards something very dangerous when it comes to the president and his enemies?
Absolutely.
So as I mentioned briefly on Tucker, there is absolutely a coup being directed against the president.
And there's been a lot of groundwork laid for this in terms of research by a great researcher called Lee Smith, who has written now several books on this.
And I guess my addition to this research is to note that while it is a coup taking place, it's actually a very specific type of coup.
And to note the specific type is to help get a better sense of exactly what's going on.
It's a color revolution coup.
Color revolution, for those who may not have heard this concept or may be new to it, is a particular type of regime change model favored by many sectors within our own national security apparatus and typically deployed against Eastern European regimes that are deemed to be, for whatever reason, not optimal from the United States point of view geopolitically.
And so the major examples would be the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.
But there's been a host of countries in Eastern Europe that have undergone color revolutions.
Arguably, Belarus is undergoing this now.
I think it's a bit of a distraction to get into the question as to whether we are right to be engaged in those behaviors in Eastern Europe and whether the particular leaders that we're going after deserve to be removed or not through this mechanism.
What I like to underscore is simply the arresting parallels of strategies and tactics of what our color revolution professionals use overseas against target regimes to precisely what's going on against Trump.
And it's two basic points that come together into the simple thesis.
One is there is an arresting similarity in strategies and tactics being used against Trump from what we see they're using against these Eastern European countries.
But even more shockingly, it's literally the same people doing it.
It's the same color revolution professionals who've had a long history of running this playbook in Eastern Europe who are the key figures in this operation, this domestic color revolution against Trump.
And once you understand that, it puts a lot of the puzzle pieces into play.
It explains the otherwise curious fact that so many of the key figures involved, for instance, in the impeachment against Trump happen to have or have had diplomatic posts in Eastern Europe.
Isn't that a bizarre coincidence from Vinman to Jovanovich to George Kent, who I point out is unfortunately, he's not fired like Jovanovich and Vinman.
In fact, he is promoted in the State Department since he gave testimony against the President of the United States.
He was promoted, and he just happens to be running the Belarus desk, where we see all the evidence of a color revolution taking place.
And so it really does put the pieces together in terms of why is it that all of these bureaucratic experts tasked with color revolutions in Eastern Europe, why are these the key figures running operations against Trump?
And it also explains why the operations look so similar.
So once we're able to get a more concrete sense of exactly what playbook they're running and exactly what network is running it, I think we can get a better grasp on what's going on, what's unfolding before our eyes, and maybe even how to stop it before it's too late.
What is unfolding in front of our eyes?
Engineered Election Fraud 00:15:11
What are some of the warning signs you're seeing that people can agree with?
And just walk us through this.
And I heard you on Tucker.
I've read your writings on this, but kind of give our audience an idea of what we're seeing unfolding that is nothing other than a potential coup against our president.
Right.
Well, there are two chief characteristics of a color revolution.
And one of the characteristics I mentioned on Tucker, and that's multiple pieces on Revolver.news that lay this out is an engineered election fraud scenario.
It's very important.
They need a scenario of election fraud where they can contest the election.
And it looks like they're about to achieve this through this unprecedented mass mail-in campaign.
Apparently, the COVID risk is too much to go into the polls, but the COVID risk is fine for these mass demonstrations that they're calling upon.
And that gets to the second component of the color revolution, which is massive coordinated acts of civil disobedience and quote unquote peaceful protests, which, as I mentioned on Tucker, peaceful protests is a term of art.
It's a term of craft in the color revolution playbook.
In fact, I mentioned the most famous color revolution, the Orange Revolution, and there was a Euromaidan which followed.
And Victoria Newland, who is a former Obama State Department figure, like so many of these people, took the unusual step of actually going to Ukraine during the Euromaidan protests and using specifically the term of art, peaceful protests.
You hear them using that in Belarus.
It's a term that they're very familiar with and has a very specific type of function.
And so we see that playing out here domestically as well.
These quote-unquote peaceful protests that, as far as I've been able to see, have only resulted in, what, $2 billion worth of damage?
That's how peaceful we are here.
But it's more sinister when you look at the larger political purpose, which in conjunction with a contested election scenario and in conjunction with a massive legal lawfare effort designed to shift the locus of democratic decision-making onto the streets, into the courts, because they can't win it in the polls.
They want to fight this election in the streets and battle it out in the courts because they can't win it in the polls.
Anything but the democratic decision-making process is what they want, because that's the only place they don't have power.
I warned people at an event the other day.
I said, if this election is not determined on election night, which I'm basically certain it won't be, based on the mail-in balloting, Pennsylvania said they need at least three more days to count post-dated ballots.
Then there will be a very awkward morning when people wake up and we don't know who the winner is.
And then by the time the sun sets on November 4th, 24 hours after voting closes, there will be massive coordinated demonstrations that night.
And they will force their hand.
And they will begin to, through rioting, arson, through intimidation, almost say, hold America hostage in some sense and say, give us power or else this will never stop.
Do you agree with that assessment?
And if so, do you have evidence to show that they've already been vocalizing that form of a strategy?
Absolutely.
I completely agree that that's the model.
And anyone paying attention has probably noticed that there's a kind of converged media narrative floating around there.
See, one thing that they do is they use a term, they accuse, say, Trump, Trump supporters, doing something, but it's precisely what they're doing.
They always really mean the opposite of what they say.
So when they say peaceful protesters, they mean people burning down major American cities.
When they say they're pro-democracy, they mean that they're doing everything in their power to ensure that the American people are not able to meddle in their own elections again.
Everything they say, they actually mean the opposite.
And so once you understand that, you can kind of get a sense of what their next moves are.
Because you look at this converged media narrative now, they claim that on election day, there's going to be this blowout victory for Biden.
But then the evil authoritarian Trump will simply refuse to step down.
And there's been a bevy of deeply disturbing reports from major figures, including Biden, entertaining this scenario and floating the idea, in fact, the necessity, perhaps, of a military removal of Trump in this case.
They are playing with very dangerous language.
A.G. Barr, I think, said it very well when he said they're playing with fire.
And they absolutely are.
And one of the narratives they have out, they've done war games, this organization Transition Integrity Project run by a Soros-aligned woman.
And Norm Eisen, the star player in the Revolver.news piece covered on the Tucker program, was also a participant in this, among many others.
They wargamed the election.
And of course, Trump acted like an authoritarian.
And that necessitated massive protests, massive acts of civil disobedience, massive mobilizations of the sort that you've already seen.
But they have much more.
They have much more in store.
Again, if you want to get a little glimpse of what might be in store, look at Belarus.
Because again, I want to leave the aside to the question of whether or not the leader that they don't like in Belarus is good or not.
It doesn't matter.
What matters is the playbook that they're running against him is the same playbook that they're running against Trump.
And what's happening right now is they're calling on massive protest people to swarm the home of Lukashenko, the leader of Belarus, who beat the woman that they were running who only got 8%.
And this is exactly the playbook they want.
If they don't get the blowout Biden victory, that probably won't happen because Biden has no energy, has no organic support that could sustain that.
Then they're going to claim, okay, there is election fraud involved.
There's some problem with the mail-in ballots.
We're going to take this into the courts.
And whatever controversy they choose to be the kind of catalyst for this, they're going to call all of their people.
They're getting millions and millions of people, these Soros-linked organizations, move on color of change.
They're getting the text messages.
They're being able to text message millions of people and mobilizing them in the streets on a moment's notice to create pressure to facilitate a sustained lawfare campaign, which will, of course, be promoted by the full spectrum of mainstream media coverage.
And that's the playbook.
It's a full spectrum approach to the issue.
They're going to fight this out everywhere except for the polls, because the polls, the American people, is the one thing they don't have, the one thing they don't control.
Yet.
So two thoughts on this, Darren.
Number one, I want to compliment you because the fact we're even talking about this is one of the ways you can stop a color revolution.
I want to get into that.
But before I do, I want, somebody asked me a very good question the other day.
They meant well.
They said, well, Charlie, if this was a real thing, why didn't they do this in 2016?
I said, they really thought they were going to win.
They actually did.
And this takes, it takes planning.
It takes funding.
They almost had a shell shock color revolution in the Mueller investigation, in the impeachment.
That was almost their makeup for what they wish they would have done previously in the institutions, right?
Because they were so shell shocked that they lost that Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan could possibly go against their wishes, right?
They thought they controlled these entities.
Now they're not going to be surprised by this.
The issue, though, is that they have a candidate that probably cannot win fairly, probably can't, has contradicted himself.
He has no base.
He is going to get absolutely run over in the debates.
So, Darren, I want to ask a question.
Now that we have established what a color revolution is, who is planning it, I agree completely that their strategy is to prolong the election.
They have said this many times.
We know that they're willing to go into the streets to demand people to give them what they want.
What can we do about it now to make sure this does not happen?
Right.
Well, you know, that's, of course, the $60,000 question.
I think a lot of it is just kind of being aware of what's coming down the pipeline.
And just really briefly on your point, you're absolutely right that in 2016, Trump ran against the coordinated efforts of every single powerful institution in the country.
And he still won because he had supportive people, but none of those institutions thought he had a chance.
It wasn't priced in.
They were shell-shocked by it.
And I think one of the best videos that just really captures that immediate election moment, a great video that was broken by a wonderful journalist on tech censorship called Alan Bakari.
Yeah, he's a friend.
It's the entire C-suite of Google just in deep depression and shock.
They had a hug session, a cry session.
Every single one of the C-suite people basically made a vow to never let this happen again.
And of course, that was the beginning of the end of the internet, the open internet that was able to collectively harness the energies associated not only with Trump's victory, but also the Brexit victory that preceded that.
But a lot of these actors, a lot of these color revolution actors that we're talking about, Norm Eisen being the main one.
And I like saying his name because here's a figure who's been operating in the shadows for so long, and yet he's a key architect.
And until the Revolver.news article exposed him and then in a very big way on Tucker's program and follow-up programs now, to the extent that his name was known at all, it was just by his leftist kind of Democrat friends who showered praise on him.
You got award after award.
Now it's a very different story.
I would love to know what he thinks when he types his name into Twitter right now.
So that's Norm Eisen.
He's a key architect of it.
But he was active on day one after the election.
A lot of people might not remember this, but there was that famous Dave Brock memo.
There was the David Brock memo.
The American Bridge Guy or whatever, the former Republican.
One of the strategies mentioned in that David Brock memo was to cripple the Trump administration through just a blitzkrieg of lawsuits.
And the lawfare arm responsible for implementing this component of the Brock strategy was called Crew.
And the leader of Crew is none other than Norm Eisen, who, as I mentioned on Tucker, has been responsible for over 180 lawsuits against Trump and Trump administration officials.
Impeachment.
So Norm Eisen also wrote a book, by the way, on how to perform color revolutions.
He literally calls it the play.
He literally calls it the playbook.
And in the playbook, one of the mechanisms that he entertains as a way to implement a color revolution is to undertake impeachment processes.
And guess what?
Norm Eisen drafted 10 articles of impeachment before the president's phone call.
with the Ukrainian leader was even made.
That was just the pretext.
They knew they wanted to do impeachment.
They drafted it.
It was just a pretext and they found some flimsy one.
And of course, it didn't work.
It was a complete failure.
But that's what he did.
And then when that didn't work, he went into, he was a key figure in the Russia hoax and he threatened mass mobilizations, precisely the kind of peaceful protests we see now.
He threatened mass mobilizations if Trump put any limits on the fraudulent Russia hoax.
So he's been operating very, very assiduously from day one.
And so this is just to support your claim that they were caught by surprise, but they are determined not to be caught by surprise again.
One thing that Norm Eisen was active in immediate aftermath of 2016 that's relevant to the big questions, what can we do to stop it?
Norm Eisen tried unsuccessfully to manipulate state governments in order to effectively achieve faithless electors.
That is to say, electors who are from states that went to Trump and just trying to get them simply to not vote for Trump, even though the states that they're allegedly representing voted for Trump.
And I think this is a very important thing to look going forward because there could be key swing states with Democrat governors.
And if the election is close on the electoral map, this issue of faithless electors could come into play.
And I think there needs to be a counter strategy, identifying the key states, having a strategy in place to ensure that if a state does go to Trump, they're absolutely certain that the electors will vote for Trump.
Defending The Capital 00:10:27
Another area that the Trump people really, really need to get a lock on, the House of Representatives has to certify the president-elect.
House of Representatives, unfortunately, is not controlled by Republicans.
They need to be very clear that they have a strategy and that everyone's going to be in line if there should be any issue that comes up in terms of House of Representatives.
And the main issue is simply on Election Day, putting every mechanism in place to ensure that there are supervisors and just checks and balances in place to ensure that the possibility of voting fraud, which is rife in these situations of mail-in ballots, that that can be reduced as much as possible.
So those would be the main things that I would advise given what's going on.
And an additional thing, which is more controversial, but I do think it's necessary.
If the plan of the Democrats is to flood the nation's capital with the physical presence of all of these demonstrators, I don't think that Trump and his people, his supporters, tens of millions in this country, should not cede that physical territory to the left.
I think that a lot of Trump's people, the bikers for Trump, the truckers for Trump, the Tea Party organizations, all of these people need to make their physical presence known in the nation's capital if it becomes clear that the left truly is going to mobilize massive demonstrations in the nation's capital.
Some would say that's controversial.
I'm going to be very clear that any of the media people they take exception with us saying that, meanwhile, the other side says we're going to flood every single square inch of anything.
And if you remember back to Bush versus Gore, Roger Stone, who's really a riot, I'm really glad he got pardoned.
He demonstrated with physical bodies in Tallahassee, Florida, when the Democrats were controlling the streets and only news cameras were showing things in favor of Gore.
Stone, in his very theatrical way, said, let's get some Bush supporters out here.
And it completely changed the narrative.
It changed the narrative from only the people want Gore to, well, now we have two competing opinions.
So what you're saying, Darren, is that instead of this idea of kind of a, you know, a complete, almost we are demanding the removal of the sitting president, the aesthetic, I hate to use that word, needs to be, no, there is actually Trump supporters and here, and of course, God forbid anything gets to be in physical confrontation.
But what you're saying is you cannot just have the complete and total takeover of one ideology.
Is that what you're saying?
Yes, I'm saying that we shouldn't simply cede the physical territory of the nation's capital to possibly hundreds of thousands of people that the left intends to mobilize.
I don't think that physical territory should be ceded for a couple reasons.
One is simply that you want a physical presence there to counteract those of your opponents.
But secondly, part of the larger kind of psychological strategy of these color revolutions is precisely to have masses of people representing one side, namely the color revolution side, and entice the other side to have authorities to kind of clamp down on them.
So it looks like it's an evil authoritarian regime versus the people, when actually it's totally the opposite.
I think, you know, the president would be completely justified in doing anything he needs to clamp down on the protests should they become violent or destructive.
But at the same time, the optics of a bunch of, you know, state authority people versus swarms of swarms of people creates the impression that one group has the support of the people and the other doesn't, when the reality is precisely the opposite.
But Darren, yeah, this won't just be in DC, though.
This is a very important thing.
This is going to be in every state capitol that matters.
This will be in Phoenix.
This will be in Columbus.
This will be in Madison.
This will be a nationwide deployment.
And they have now, whether intentional or unintentional, they have the organizing tactics, the contact lists, they have the leaders to mobilize things in a moment's notice because of BLM, the precedent was set, right?
They now know how to do it.
They have a muscle memory of deployment.
Would you agree with that?
Yo, that's a very good formulation.
Yes.
So just to kind of sum this up, what can people do?
I think the more we talk about it, the better.
You naming the people by name, Darren, so important because they don't like that.
They hate that.
They absolutely hate it.
And I take a certain type of maybe even sadistic glee in naming these people, particularly Norm Eisen, because he was the chief architect of a lot of these things, operating behind the shadows for so many years and a key figure in pretty much every effort to censor, sue, impeach, and overthrow the president from day one, and nobody knew his name.
And so I think, you know, typically, you know, there's still this kind of almost vestigial inclination on the right to think in terms of abstractions, but you really have to put a face to a problem.
You have to put a face to a problem and make it concrete.
And the face and the name to this problem is Norm Eisen.
And that's why I suggest, you know, everybody needs to go to revolver.news now and read this piece on Norm Eisen and the color revolution and please share it with everyone, because this particular piece lays out the case of exactly what's going on.
So you can understand the way that they're trying to steal the 2020 election from you, but they're also trying to steal the country from you.
That's the same thing.
They're trying to steal the election from you, which means they're trying to steal the country from you.
And I don't think these people like Norm Eisen, see, people like us, every time, you know, we, if you know, if you leave an insufficient tip at a restaurant once in your life, you have journalists complaining about it.
These people are literally trying to overturn a democratically elected president, steal the election, steal the country, and they generally operate with complete impunity.
So I do think it's very important to name these people, particularly name Norm Eisen.
I know he hates it, and that's the reason we have to do it.
I also think that you spot, you identify, you warn, you anticipate, and then you counteract.
That's how you are able to stave off coups or insurgencies.
And that's why what you're doing in this discussion is so important, which is by spotting it, you identify it, you have a plan, and then you counteract it.
Whether it be, that's why the conservative movement needs to brace for impact.
That's why every talk radio host, every podcaster, every social media account, every YouTuber needs to be ready that that night we are in unified messaging.
We know exactly what's happening, that there is no surprise here where every person out there from the top Twitter accounts to you follow that revolver.news, where it's not as if there's a shock and awe.
It's like, oh, we were waiting for this.
And here's what they're going to do next.
And that's why I think it because now that now, and I think in a lot of different ways why they're so upset about this, Darren, is they thought they could surprise us through this methodology and this tactic that someone like yourself wouldn't say, well, why is it the person who's running the Belarus desk?
And I agree.
I think it's irrelevant whether it's a good idea or not.
I'm kind of disinterested in Belarus, to be honest.
I really don't care.
But is also running the same sort of tactic here.
And if you guys read, oh my goodness, the Transition Integrity Project, it will send chills down your spine.
The vivid detail.
And I mean, how, and Darren, we only have a couple minutes here.
How is it not illegal what they're talking about?
I mean, aren't there laws against sedition or insurrection against the president?
I mean, what they're talking about is a coup.
Right, right.
I mean, yes, one would think there should be laws, but unfortunately, the direction the country's been going is that, you know, the legal system itself has been deeply compromised.
The legal system is only as good as the people who generally run it.
And unfortunately, the legal system, by and large, including many, many components of the DOJ, despite a generally good attorney general, so much of our nation's legal apparatus is controlled by the Democrats and the left and their sympathizers.
And that's precisely why they're trying to do everything they can to move the elections to the courts.
Where it's friendly terrain for them and they control that infrastructure.
Well, Darren, we're going to have to have you come back.
I want to talk just about the landscape of politics and where things are going post-Trump.
I think it's really exciting.
You're doing great work at Revolver.news.
And for everyone listening, this is not meant to be a pessimistic podcast.
It's meant to be an alarm wake-up call right now.
This is happening.
This is being planned.
Be ready for it.
Tell your friends.
Learn about it.
Read about it.
Tell your local elected officials.
Tell your local Republican county organizers.
And there has to be some form of a plan, an inter-institutional plan of how we're going to deal with this when all of a sudden there's 600,000 people in Washington, D.C. after the election.
We can't be caught by surprise when they're burning down every building.
They're holding senators hostage in their homes.
All these sorts of things.
You see the warning signs of this, right?
When they're in Madison, Wisconsin, or if they're in Tallahassee, Florida.
So what you're doing is so important, Darren.
Thanks For Listening 00:00:35
And thank you for shedding light on this.
Thank you for having me.
You bet.
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