Why Do People Keep Getting Banned On TikTok With Nick Foster & Chase Geiser | OAP #61
Nick Foster is a proud colonizer.
Nick Foster is a proud colonizer.
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My name is Chase Geiser, and I am one American. | |
I am one American. | |
Hey, hey, hey, it's Nick Foster. | |
How are you doing, man? | |
Thanks for coming on the show. | |
Allegedly. | |
Allegedly, I'm Nick Foss. | |
I had 13 different accounts by now, so you don't really know which one I am. | |
Yeah, I've noticed that. | |
So I found you on TikTok because I just started using TikTok like a normal commie. | |
And I uh I found you, and it was just one of your like absolutely hilarious colonizer videos. | |
I think it was the one where you were singing the song and you were uh Christopher Columbus on the boat, and it was just like the the don't be fine, don't worry song or whatever. | |
I don't I don't know the name of this song. | |
I'm not as savvy as I ought to be. | |
Yeah, yeah, but Burnman was hysterical. | |
And so I followed you and I saw in your bio that it said that it was like your 10th account or 11th account, and I was like, oh man, this guy's great. | |
So I just had to reach out. | |
Dude, that's funny because that means you're new. | |
You literally are brand new to my content. | |
Yeah, and I I haven't I obviously haven't known you that well. | |
I saw you on Twitter and I was like, oh, he's got some clout on Twitter, so sure I'll go. | |
Yeah, this is like my 13th account, and I've been trolling for two years on TikTok, and I have been in countless controversies. | |
This colonizer thing is just uh it's just like a little sprinkle on the whole controversy Sunday I've built. | |
Yeah. | |
So is has all your content always been about colonizing type stuff, or is it just like in the context of the new indigenous people's day? | |
Yeah, um, no, my content, I am a troll. | |
I mean, if you haven't seen my whole content and you haven't seen what I do on TikTok, I just troll. | |
And a lot of it is directed at the left because I mean they're a little hypersensitive these days, you know? | |
Right. | |
Uh and I troll on all kinds of subjects, and I'll make a joke and people will get mad. | |
And whatever group it is, they get mad, they try to cancel me, they flood me with hate, and I just keep making 10, 20, 30 jokes about the same thing, and I'll just keep it going forever. | |
I'll get banned on one account, I'll start a new account. | |
But it's all kinds of topics. | |
The colonizer thing happened because I get into these rivalries with other TikTokers, and one of the ones that was uh blowing up now that people were sending me is um modern warrior. | |
I don't know if you know him on TikTok. | |
Him, her. | |
It's questionable. | |
I don't know. | |
Bio says he him, so we'll respect it. | |
Okay. | |
Your your gut instinct would tell you otherwise, but whatever. | |
Uh and his whole account, he's an indigenous person, I guess, Native American, however, you truth is he's just a modern American wearing t-shirts and using iPhones. | |
So, you know, it's not like he's living in a TP. | |
Uh and his whole account is pretty much just blatant racism against white people. | |
And he's he's called he has two million followers, you know, he's like blown up. | |
And his whole thing is just calling white people colonizers, they're racist, they're bigots, they did this, they're rapists, they're all this stuff. | |
And so I just made an account to troll him, basically. | |
Like, oh, you're gonna call us colonizers. | |
So I created an account called Proud Colonizer, where all I do is lean into it and be like, yeah, I'm colonizing my neighbor's backyard today. | |
Hey guys, check me out. | |
I'm I'm grilling uh in my colonized land. | |
Uh Christopher Columbus thing is just you know a bit of a troll just to get under their skin, but right. | |
It's literally just a troll account just to troll this one dude on TikTok. | |
I have other accounts that are still up. | |
That one just got banned actually yesterday. | |
So RIP to that. | |
So do you find do you find that you get hit with like uh reporting armies, like people just like an army of people that just massive mass report your your profile because TikTok is particularly sensitive. | |
I mean, I posted a video of Goebbels comparing Goebbels to Biden because Biden plagiarized him, and they they banned me for having goebels on I wasn't like supporting goebels, it was a criticism. | |
So you can't even criticize offensive content, You just can't have offensive content at all. | |
One thing you'll learn is there is no room for nuance and context on TikTok. | |
When the people report you, it's like, oh, you have a picture of Hitler. | |
You might be saying this guy sucks and he's evil. | |
And it's just like, no, you showed this bad man, you're banned. | |
I learned that very fast. | |
One of my first jokes had a Hitler reference, and I got banned right away. | |
This was like two years ago. | |
So it's gotten worse. | |
So I don't, I'm I'm not shocked at all. | |
Who do you think? | |
Who do you think does the um actual monitoring, right? | |
So like if with Facebook and Instagram, a lot of times when you report something, an actual American will look at it. | |
Do you think it's like so it's like somebody, you know, in a chairman Mao costume and in Beijing? | |
You can't say that on TikTok, that's for sure. | |
You say anything negative about China, you're quit you're quickly gone. | |
In fact, I think I push I don't know if I got banned for the Hitler reference because in the same post, I also made a Mao reference, and I think maybe that's why I got you know we love China on TikTok, right? | |
If TikTok's listening, no, we don't like so I uh I I crunched the numbers and I uh found I basically discovered that between 1958 and 1962, more people were killed because of the great leap forward in China than by all of white supremacy, including the Holocaust from 1619 to 2019. | |
Damn, you you know that research you did is probably gonna get you on a no-fly list. | |
Google flying it right now. | |
No, that's no I think sometimes I'm googling things like trying to figure out these facts and these arguments just to frame like a joke or frame you know what whatever my my point of reference is, and then I'm just like if somebody's you know if Google's keeping track of this, it's gonna put me on some list, whatever I'm probably already on a bunch of them. | |
Uh I know what you mean though. | |
I did I made a whole uh rant about that one time about how like people can't, you know, when Amazon had the app icon that got canceled because it looked like the Hitler mustache, it was just an Amazon box. | |
I remember that. | |
I remember that, and it just had a piece of tape that looked like not you would never guess Hitler. | |
Like anybody who sees Hitler in that has they're the ones with the problem. | |
And they changed the logo because they're like, we don't want it to look like Hitler, and it just got me thinking like we canceled for the rest of history a mustache-shaped piece of tape on a box or anybody naming their kid like Adolf, which obviously you wouldn't want to. | |
I mean, that's a terrible name, but right nobody cancels the Stalin mustache, nobody cancels the name Joseph, like everybody names their kids Joseph, and Joseph Stalin was alive at the exact same time and killed more people than Hitler did. | |
Not to even mention Mal, you know. | |
I don't think people named our kids Mal, but it is very selective outrage. | |
It's very strange when you're like, Why does Hitler get all this this credit? | |
Even even the Beatles talk shit about Mal, right? | |
Isn't that uh the revolution song, right? | |
Is it yeah? | |
Like you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao is one of their lyrics, like just talking, I don't know, I don't know the context of the whole song. | |
About you know the 20th century, obviously knows Mao was not exactly a great dude, but yeah. | |
Well, and once it has come a long way, so something worked out, yeah. | |
But that's that's been since Mal. | |
I mean, that after the Mao thing, they kind of pivoted toward a capital capitalist communist hybrid, yeah, where you know, where they're able to have all the benefits of capitalism, but all the power associated centralized power associated with um, I got this Mike Pence fly flying around. | |
I see it. | |
I see all this centralized power associated with communism. | |
Yeah, I know, right? | |
Hey, nothing wrong with that, man. | |
I told somebody the other day, is like I can't wait till I get doxxed. | |
Like, please come come to my house. | |
So you're on TikTok. | |
How long you been on TikTok? | |
Barely at all. | |
I think I made my account maybe 60 days ago, and I haven't posted very much. | |
I had one post that got like half a million hits, and then other than that, nothing. | |
And you post conservative content, political, yeah, yeah, mostly mostly I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. | |
I've got one account that's been had two videos that constituted violation, and so I think one more screw up on that account, and I'm probably out, but um uh like whatever, I'll just make another one. | |
I mean, that's one of the things that's so cool about TikTok is that if you make good content, which I haven't quite figured out how to do yet, I'm still practicing, but if you make good content, you can blow up an account pretty quickly. | |
Yeah, I've done it many times, so yeah. | |
So if you don't know my history, I got on TikTok about uh about two years ago. | |
It was in November of 2019, right before you know quarantine and the pandemic and all of that, and I got on and I got to like 10,000 followers pretty quick, but I was instantly in controversy, and I kind of always was trolling on the internet anyway. | |
So I was like, okay, this is just gonna float me up to the top. | |
And uh I grew that account to 500,000 followers, Uh in a couple, maybe eight months or something, got banned on that account, started a new account, got 500,000 followers back in one week, all of them back. | |
That account up to a million followers, and then they banned that account. | |
And now it's like I can't even get every time I get to like two hundred, I keep getting up to a hundred, two hundred thousand, and then I get banned and I start over. | |
So it's so they are they on to you? | |
Do you think that they're just kind of like tracking what you're doing? | |
Or how do you avoid that? | |
Well, at this point, I'm known on tick, like my face is known. | |
There's millions of people who already hate me and they're never gonna like me, even no matter what I do. | |
So it's like they're already looking for me, and whenever they see me, it's just you know, mass report, whatever. | |
As far as TikTok, I used to think it was you know, you feel a little like personally attacked, like, oh, they're coming for me specifically. | |
But I have seen so many creators get banned that are nowhere. | |
I'm an edgy dude, I'm provocative. | |
I get I think I'm within the lines of free speech and even what I think is humorous speech. | |
I don't think any of it is hateful in spirit. | |
A lot of people disagree with that. | |
But uh, I used to think it was like, oh, they're just coming after me because like maybe I'm just too cocky about it or something. | |
I don't know. | |
But then it's like you see these other people, and it's like they got banned, and then you just realize like, no, this is just the game, you know. | |
If you do any kind of political, edgy, any anything that goes against the new PC norm, you're you're on the chopping block. | |
So they just kind of they just kind of take you down. | |
But at a certain point, they did like I could just start a new account. | |
And the last time I got banned, I had four separate accounts going at once because I just started being like, let me stack these up. | |
And they perma banned all accounts at the same time and locked my phone where I couldn't even get on TikTok, I couldn't sign up a new account, I couldn't do anything, and only because I have like I'm a iOS developer too, like in a other side of my life, so I understand how the iPhone works, and I was able to get around the block, and I basically like was able to get back on TikTok, but they tried to block my whole device from getting on there, so it's you know, at a certain point, they're just you're running all the accounts from the same phone. | |
No, no, no. | |
I I run my provocative accounts from the same phone, but I have other accounts, like I have um all my accounts were kind of Nick Foster. | |
So like I was Nick Foster jokes, then Nick Foster official, then Nick Foster dude, Nick Foster guy, Nick Foster, you know, not Nick Foster. | |
I just always do some play on that. | |
And um, then I have uh I just had a kid, you know, we were talking about Congratulations. | |
Thank you very much. | |
That's what I was throwing it out there fishing for a compliment. | |
Yeah, yeah, I figured you were, so I'll humor you. | |
But I have a I have a dad account, Nick Foster Dad. | |
So I keep that account on a separate device, and I keep that one pretty PC because it's like you know, I'm trying to grow that one as a bit of a family friendly side, you know. | |
We all have different sides, and that's like here's me being a dad, and my audience does like to see it, but it keeps it siloed from there's a lot of hate. | |
I get a ton of hate over there, and I get a lot of people reporting me, but I it's not getting banned knock on wood yet, because I keep it pretty much siloed from everything else, and then I run other accounts for I do I do consulting and a lot of like uh helping other people build up their accounts, but I can't have those connected to my phone either because I don't want to risk their account getting banned because of my behavior. | |
So I just I juggle a lot of phones. | |
I even posted a video like you fools. | |
I have seven accounts, and I have all you're holding like a you're holding like a deck of cards. | |
So it's like good. | |
It's just now it's just fine. | |
It was it was very upsetting effort when you put all that work in, and I built up this huge audience on TikTok when it was still like you know, it was still starting to grow during the quarantine. | |
So I was like, it was a different time then, and I blew up really fast, and then you put all this work, and then they just take it down, and it hurts, you know, the first time, but then it just gets easier and easier. | |
And now I'm just like, this is my thing, you know. | |
Now it's like I get banned and I just keep making new accounts, and I don't care. | |
Yeah, it's scary though when it's tied. | |
I don't know if you're I don't know if you're monetizing or just having fun, but it's scared when it's tied to how you make money. | |
So, for example, I um I do Facebook and Instagram advertising for a living. | |
I own a small advertising business, and I'm a Fiverr pro. | |
And so um in what kind of in social media advertising. | |
Okay, and so I um I think I did like 300,000 in revenue on fiber within like a 15 month period. | |
It was insane. | |
It was during all the it was during all the COVID stuff, and so everybody was starting an e-commerce business because they couldn't go to work and they got all this cash from the government, so they're like, All right, I'll start like an e-commerce store and ship stuff. | |
And so I got a lot of clients, and I was busy, I was like pumping out or all and I was working like three days without sleep, and you know, you know how it is. | |
And um uh Facebook just out of nowhere, and I don't post any political content on my Facebook because there's too many people I know. | |
That's why I like these other platforms because you can just mess with people that are strangers, but they restricted me from advertising at all. | |
And so I was like the admin of over a hundred Facebook ad manager accounts, and like that was how that was my bread and butter, and so it takes you submit an appeal and like you wait two weeks for him to look at. | |
I'm like, what did I do wrong? | |
And I I still don't know what the issue was, but it's like every two weeks that they shut down my business, it's like you know, 15 grand that I lose. | |
You know, and it's like it's scary because you got a baby and you got a mortgage, you know, and it's like did they ever tell you what it was? | |
No, they just say, sorry, we made a mistake, you know. | |
Here's your account back, and then it would happen again in three months, and then I had to reach out to all my clients and be like, hey, by the way, I'm having issues and I had that backup accounts, it's just scary shit, man. | |
They cancel culture stuff. | |
Now you have to act. | |
Well, I know there was some stuff going on with Facebook before where they did start cracking down on the advertising account specifically because of I think the whole you know election uh controversy and all of that. | |
Yes, so they just started kind of cutting people down, probably just to protect their ass. | |
Yeah, I don't know if that's exactly cancel culture, but it's all it's all right all tied to this this uh this epidemic, I guess, of hypersensitivity and you know uh censorship. | |
Well, you're absolutely right, and it would always happen after there was like a major update to their automated monitoring protocols. | |
And I think part of the problem was I would still be like left as an admin on an account for an old client, and then that old client would make an ad that violated a policy, and so I would show up in the system as an admin of an ad account that was violating the terms of service, even though I didn't make the ad or I was no longer working with the client. | |
Dude, that fly is fucking. | |
I know, dude. | |
I don't I don't even smell, dude. | |
But it got in my halo light earlier, and it was going for it, and I'll feel like I'm just saying, I need to watch or like I need to watch some Mr. Miyagi shit, man. | |
This is like I need like you have some chopsticks, like I know Obama, yeah. | |
Mad respect to Obama on this one point. | |
Remember that time he killed that fly in the interview, and he just like nailed it first try, and it was like that's pro. | |
That's pro. | |
That was yeah, that's true. | |
You said there were some things there were some things about him that were very impressive, despite my sentiments toward him. | |
I tell you what, it's funny, man. | |
How how how good Biden makes Obama look? | |
That's true. | |
I know. | |
I wonder what I wonder what Obama thinks about Biden. | |
Like I know he's friends with them and he had a good rapport when they were together, but like just seeing his decline, regardless of what you think of his politics or whatever he's doing with his administration, just the sadness in this this dude's like he's just dying in front of everybody, and Obama must know the pressures and all what's going on behind the scenes, and also like I don't know, maybe he's pulling the strings, who knows? | |
I just yeah, but but Obama doesn't really have any power, you know what I mean? | |
Like, there's no way for Obama to leverage himself into calling any shots, even like find like what assets does he own, what international businesses. | |
I mean, he can get paid a lot for a speech, but that's not real power, you know. | |
It's just well, he owns he owns that uh nice uh what Martha Vinyards uh mansion right on the sea seashore, which is strange because I thought it was gonna be underwater soon, but he seems to be pretty confident that it's not that's that's the truth. | |
But the craziest thing, man, if like if you go back and watch um the Biden abate with Paul debate with Paul Ryan, where he basically just made Paul Ryan look like a pathetic teenager, yeah, and then you compare Biden's performance to just town hall with Anderson Cooper, it's like they're totally different human beings. | |
The decline is very obvious. | |
I don't think that it's just my bias, like thinking like, oh you know he's 80 years old and he is a senile old decrepit man. | |
Like, I think of my grandpa during that age, and he was just falling, like he was he was he he was napping all day. | |
Like, you know, Biden is just napping, he's a grandpa, like he's a dying man. | |
You know, he's not up doing anything, he's just literally napping, has no clue what's going on, and people are wheeling him out, probably popping him with some, you know, pharmaceutical cocaine that they call something else and say, Go give this 20 minute speech, and then we'll take you back to bed. | |
I don't know what's going on there. | |
Yeah, I think I think it's insane. | |
You know, and that's one of my hesitants. | |
That's one of my one of the reasons that I'm reluctant about Trump. | |
I was a big Trump supporter last term and the term before. | |
Uh, really before Trump is you looked apart. | |
I was, I was and um uh you know, I was disappointed in how he handled COVID, but other than that, I thought he was a pretty good president. | |
But The point I'm trying to make is you know, he's gonna be 78 if he runs again. | |
He's gonna be Biden's age when Biden ran. | |
And you know, I I feel wary of that. | |
If Biden wins a second term, he'll be 86 when he's out. | |
But I don't really want a 78-year-old Trump in either. | |
I support Trump, and don't get me wrong, but I'd be holding the Trump thing. | |
I I'm I'm wary of Trump running for I would rather DeSantis get in there and Trump's gonna Trump's gonna be a spoiler if he does that. | |
The age thing, sure, but you gotta admit, I mean, no matter again, with regardless of your politics, Trump is way more spry than uh you know, uh Joe Biden. | |
He's with it, he's still he was able to campaign, you know, four different states a day campaign rally, whatever. | |
I mean, the guy, the guy has a lot more energy, and he definitely seems much younger than uh than Joe Biden, even though they're the same age. | |
But even all that aside, I just don't think I think the Trump thing. | |
I wanted him to have a second term. | |
I thought it'd be hilarious, it'd be a good F you to the sensitive snowflakes, but look at me. | |
I sound like fucking Tucker Carlson over here. | |
Uh but I I don't know, what do you call them? | |
Uh the just the Trumpers right. | |
I don't know. | |
Oh, oh, you mean like uh he it would he would be like a uh provocateur for the leftists? | |
Yeah, I mean that's kind of what I supported Trump for more than yeah, yeah. | |
I supported him too because everybody I hate hated him so much. | |
Yeah, that's kind of what I what I say. | |
And I agree with you. | |
I'd like to see DeSantis or some anybody else really run because the the the prudent and like wise thing for Trump to do, in my opinion, that I would really appreciate as one constituent, is his endorsement would pick any primary candidate, anyone that he endorsed would be the one that would win the primary. | |
And so I don't understand why he wants to do it again for four years when he could just pick anybody in the world to do it. | |
Here's why, because I think regardless of as much as Trump was kind of fighting for some of the things that I you know, when we can get into our specific politics because I'm not like uh a standard conservative or anything. | |
I I would call myself a conservative, but I'm not a Republican, but I'm just I'm definitely not a leftist. | |
Okay, exactly. | |
I Trump was the only Republican candidate I've ever voted for. | |
I voted for Obama twice, you know. | |
So I'm glad you did. | |
Yeah, I mean, at the time I think I would do it again. | |
I mean, just given the culture at the time, given the choices at the time, I do think I would do it again. | |
But yeah, McCain wasn't exactly a shining alternative or Romney. | |
I just I don't uh not to get too sidetracked, but I don't really vote based on policy or any. | |
I literally, and it's not who would you have a beer with? | |
It's I vote based on culture. | |
Like who do I think is gonna be a better force for where I want American culture to go? | |
And so for Obama's time back in 2008, there was a lot of problems that I had with the Christian conservatives controlling speech, being hypersensitive. | |
They were very dogmatic in a lot of way, you know, trying to stop all kinds of progress that I don't really I make jokes about things, but I want people to be able to get married if they want to. | |
I sure think it's stupid to get married and whatever, be gay, wear a dress. | |
I don't give a shit. | |
Do whatever you want to do. | |
So I I did like I think Obama at the time was was a better force for like progress. | |
And I thought it would be great to have, I mean, I did think it'd be great to have a black president. | |
I thought it would heal a lot of wounds, I thought it would move the country forward. | |
I thought it would be a good kind of middle finger to the actual racists in the country, like the who which are a dying breed. | |
There's not near as many racists now as there was, you know, just a couple decades ago. | |
And so at the time, I thought Obama was this great just figurehead for moving the culture forward, not policy-wise. | |
Then it got super hypersensitive around you know, his second term is when woke culture really started taking off, censorship starts taking off. | |
Every start, everybody becomes social justice warriors and starts saying, Don't say this, don't do that. | |
That word, and it's like it's swung the other way, where now they sounded like my Christian grandma saying cancel that video game, take down that movie, that comedian is you we can't let the kids listen to that. | |
And it's like, okay, well, fuck you. | |
What's a good force to just destroy that? | |
Donald Trump comes around and he's just a big wrecking ball to that whole thing. | |
And I'm like, let's throw him in there, you know. | |
So I I'm very I'd say my issue more than it's not abortion or gun rights or any or even the economy, it's freedom of speech. | |
That's really what I kind of feel like uh vote on. | |
So yeah, I also was younger when Obama took office, so you know, you you learn a lot of things from then too. | |
So yeah, well, I think everything you said was is super reasonable. | |
I didn't I didn't vote for Obama myself, but at the time I was just a really um I was really big into um Ayn Rand and Rand Paul. | |
And so I was very like anti-government spending, pro-capitalist. | |
I was it was all policy for me. | |
I was like, I can't vote for Barack Obama because he's you know for socialized medicine and that's never gonna work, and this is all unsustainable. | |
So I threw my votes the other way. | |
And but I understand why people would vote for Barack Obama, he was a very calming figure. | |
Uh he was very he was very articulate, he was handsome, he was young. | |
He regardless of what you think of him, he was not retarded for lack of a better term. | |
You're canceled, though, right there. | |
You just got canceled. | |
She probably right. | |
But the point that I'm trying to make is like Barack Obama could, you know, string together a sentence and Joe Biden can't even utter a complete sentence. | |
I mean, I don't think he could count backwards from 100 without making a mistake, even if he had a teleprompter. | |
No, I mean, I honestly think uh Trump might have a problem because he just wouldn't care and he would probably just like say some other crazy shit, but you know, everyone got there and be like 99 97, 9590, do it by I did odd numbers, I did our numbers. | |
You you mess those up. | |
He's like, No, I didn't, I'm perfect. | |
I I went to uh whatever what was the school he went to uh oh, I can't remember some military school or whatever. | |
All these memes are all it's like that's four years ago. | |
Get over it. | |
It's four four years ago, man. | |
Get over it. | |
Yeah, so I don't know. | |
I'm worried about what's gonna happen next. | |
I think that the what do you think about the censorship thing? | |
I think my opinion is that it started with um after as soon as Trump won, the left immediately went to blame Facebook because of Cambridge Analytica and the allegations of Russian ads and and stuff like that. | |
And I think that's when the social media companies got like this big internal scare that if they didn't do something, there was gonna be like hyper uh legislation against them uh by the left. | |
And I think that what we're seeing now might be a manifestation of that initial push five years ago, but maybe that's just a coincidence. | |
Well, I think there's a lot of forces going on. | |
I mean, I think there's something definitely to be said about that. | |
Uh I think it's also these companies, you know, they're recognizing their power and their influence, and a lot, you know, people want to get power, and if they can position themselves to control who becomes president, I mean they're they're gonna take things in a direct direction. | |
Then you have you know, a lot of these these tech entrepreneurs are in Silicon Valley, it's a very leftist uh, you know, just culture out there. | |
So you're gonna get it's just like how colleges get inundated with leftist professors and leftist students because it's uh it's a self-affiliate, you know, a reinforcing loop. | |
Right. | |
Uh so you're gonna have a lot of uh uh people with those ideals running and making policy, so that's gonna lean to the left. | |
But as far as like the the cancel culture and the censor, I don't I feel like a lot of it started even before that. | |
It was just it blew up when Trump I like Trump to me was a bit of a reaction to what was going on with the censorship and the cancel culture, and then when he actually got in, you know, people just lost their minds, which I honestly even that I'm like, why does CNN care that Donald Trump is president if all it did was help them? | |
You know, they're they're their ratings boomed for four years and now they're tanking the second he's gone. | |
Yet they're and I understand pretending like they care, but it seems like they actually care that he was president. | |
I don't know that so people lost their mind during that time. | |
But I saw the cancel culture coming in 2012. | |
That's when I saw my own friend what triggered what triggered you to notice it. | |
Because when I think when I think of people who've been canceled, when I when I think of people, I don't mean to interrupt you, I want you to answer the question, but when I think of people who've been canceled, it's it's been people since Trump won, like Milo, Alex Jones, you know. | |
I I can't think of like big names that were shut down in 2014. | |
No, because it did, you're right. | |
It wasn't in it, it took to the mainstream kind of cancel culture took over the mainstream probably around 2015, 2016, went during the Trump time. | |
But the social justice movement was where I started seeing people become hyper sensitive, and it was around 2012 when I saw it just eating into my own friend groups, like people that we were just all hanging out having fun for years. | |
We were making all kinds of crazy jokes, and then just all of a sudden I had like a best, like I had a YouTube channel with this guy, and we live, it was my roommate, and then I lived with this other girl, and we did this whole like YouTube channel, and he was you know, he Was a funny, like just carefree, very um uh we we just made a lot of jokes, and that's kind of how it all started. | |
It was all good then, but then a couple years it was like two years later, he was coming up to me, like, hey, could you not say that thing or post that thing because I'm hanging out with a bunch of these new friends and they're gonna get mad if they see that. | |
And it was like he was secretly telling me, like, I don't judge you, but I'm afraid like my friends are gonna judge me. | |
And that I it just started shocking me, and I started seeing that kind of behavior more and more where there's this division of I can't associate with this person, or I can't say that, or you can't do that, or because they were you know they're being um uh controlled by their own friend groups, they're just right censorship almost crowd of liberal people who I'm gonna be ostracized if I associate with any of this, even though they were fine with it just six months before, you know. | |
So they it's it became like this religious indoctrination, but it started slow, and then you just see it more and more take over social media. | |
I saw it all over Twitter. | |
That's when because in 2011, a lot of people don't know. | |
I I got on Twitter, I think in 2009, and in 2011, I was heavy on Twitter. | |
I wasn't like a big I didn't have a lot of clout because you know, this was this 10 years ago. | |
Sure. | |
I mean, I still don't have as much clout as you on Twitter, so what am I even saying? | |
But on Twitter in 2011, I was posting a lot because I was doing stand-up comedy at the time, and Twitter was this funny, witty, sarcastic, edgy place where all day every day it was just people trying to say the most provocative, edgy, witty joke. | |
And that's what Twitter was, and people you can't even really think about that now because Twitter is so not like that. | |
Now it's just you're gonna get canceled, don't say that. | |
Political confusion, everybody's well. | |
If you look at the day the Boston Massacre happened or the Boston bombing, rather, not the Boston Massacre. | |
If you look at the day the Boston bombing happened, Anthony Jezalink has the had the a famous tweet. | |
I can't remember the specific tweet, but he talks about it in the special thoughts and prayers. | |
Oh yeah, and the one where he's like, uh, don't forget about me on this day. | |
Yeah, exactly. | |
It's a great, great special. | |
And and but Alec Baldwin shoots two people on set and crickets from Anthony Jesselink. | |
Yeah, it's like you know that dude wanted to make a joke. | |
Of course, and a lot of people. | |
I mean, people got uh, I mean, another example would be like Ari Shafir, he had that big controversy when Kobe died, and he I don't know if you know him, but he put it he anytime somebody big dies, he'll put out the most you gotta understand his sense of humor, but he'll literally just be like, He was a piece of shit. | |
I hope he rots in hell, you know. | |
Like he'll do like over the top shit, but he does it to everybody, but he did it to Kobe, and he got run off Twitter. | |
I mean, I think he pretty much got like banned from everything, and like at a certain point, it's like I'm not gonna do that again. | |
That was you touch a hot stove that hot, you know, it just scares people into compliance and into self-censorship, and you I that's taking over more and more too. | |
I tweeted a poll, and it was um which of these two resulted in more people being shot, and it was Alec Baldwin and January 6th. | |
Well, oh, that's true. | |
Um, somebody, yeah, somebody did get shot on January January. | |
But not, but not two people. | |
Oh, that's true. | |
So more people. | |
No, I saw yeah, I saw you were kind of trolling on that topic. | |
Today it was trending on Twitter that Don Jr. was like uh selling the merch of um uh what was it? | |
It was yeah, I saw I can't remember what it said. | |
Uh it was something it was about Alec Baldwin shooting the guy. | |
Yeah, what was the shirt? | |
Now I forget what the joke was. | |
It was pretty funny, pretty offensive. | |
Yeah, pull up that thing. | |
Um not as good as Jamie. | |
Not as I try my best. | |
Jamie the Joe Rogan's no root, yeah, yeah. | |
Uh, but everybody is obviously flaming him, and now all these people are coming at him on Twitter, like, how dare you guns don't kill people, Alec Baldwin kills people. | |
That's what it was. | |
How good is that, right? | |
That's a funny troll. | |
That's great. | |
It's offensive, of course. | |
It's but that you know, that's my type of humor. | |
I love it. | |
Right. | |
However, people are like, How dare you say this? | |
It's like, look, if anybody has a right to mock Alec Baldwin during this time, I think it's the son of the guy that Alec Baldwin mocked on television for four years. | |
Alec Baldwin was playing Trump, right? | |
Just mocking him all the time. | |
So you don't think Don Jr.'s allowed to mock him one time. | |
Like, come on, give me a break. | |
This is what I'm talking about. | |
It's this this is what I deal with on TikTok all the time. | |
It's people can send and say whatever they want, and then you give them a little bit of the same energy back, and it's over the line. | |
You're the bad guy, you're the bully. | |
That's hate speech, that's inappropriate. | |
And uh the whole culture is kind of just being consumed by this. | |
Yeah, same thing with Kathy Griffin. | |
She did uh remember the Trump head thing. | |
And it's like holding it up, and then later she tweeted, uh, and there was that controversy. | |
Later, she tweeted, like, when he got sounds like a death threat, though, on the president of the United States. | |
No, imagine, imagine if like you did that about I don't know, Kamala Harris or some shit, you know. | |
The uh if you did it about Joe Biden, you get arrested. | |
True. | |
I just feel like what's the point of doing that to Joe Biden? | |
He's practically dead anyways. | |
It's not even an insult at that point. | |
Yeah, he they can wheel him out with his head in a back. | |
I tell you what, he's proven that it can be a part-time job. | |
I know. | |
But Kathy Griffin did that tweet when Trump got COVID. | |
Like, is he dead yet? | |
I have an appointment later, you know, some shit like that. | |
I uh I have other things to do today. | |
So then Kathy Griffin just recently got cancer, lung cancer. | |
Oh, yeah, and had to go into surgery. | |
And of course, that's awful. | |
And I, you know, I hope she survives and everything's fine. | |
But of course, you know, Twitter is just gonna be like, Hey, remember when you said so? | |
It's all these people retweeting her tweet saying, Is she dead yet? | |
I got things to do today. | |
Exact same joke, exact same wording, but everybody loses their mind, like that's over the line, that's inappropriate. | |
You don't mock that, you don't do that. | |
And I wouldn't mock that in a vacuum, but when you're literally just pointing out the hypocrisy of it's okay for you to do it, but if I do it, you know, that's that's what I do all the time on social media. | |
Well, for me, like if you were to talk to me personally about Alec Baldwin and what happened, um, and as no Alec Baldwin fan as a human being, I'm not a fan of him as a human being. | |
I like a lot of his movies, but I'm not an Ali Baldwin fan. | |
Okay. | |
But I feel bad for him for what happened. | |
I feel bad for the people who were shot, and I feel bad for everybody on set, no matter who screwed up, it sucks. | |
I feel bad for all those people. | |
That is my genuine sentiment. | |
But I incessantly troll what happened on Twitter because I am fighting for my right to be offensive. | |
Exactly. | |
That's exactly what I'm doing. | |
You see, we're talking we're talking the same language here, and you don't even know what I've been what I've been doing on TikTok before the colonizer thing. | |
I wish you knew, dude. | |
I wish those accounts were still up because you would laugh your ass. | |
Did you save the videos? | |
Like as you pop up as you I'm trying to work on how to transition this to YouTube where I can actually show the long for the long form narrative of what I've been doing with this trolling, not just like here's the joke I do, because my jokes are just bait to get people to get mad and react. | |
Right. | |
But people, that's just the tip of the iceberg. | |
What people are getting mad about, they don't see the thousands of comments I get, the thousands of duets I get, the amount of people losing their minds over the dumbest things, the most not like just a simple joke and the wave of hate that I get, and then it's like the accounts get banned, so nobody can get the con. | |
And then when I do a joke, they think like they don't know the backstory, they don't know the context of like why I'm trying to piss off this type of person or this community, right? | |
It's you know, like you just think of this all day, every day. | |
You're obsessed with us. | |
It's like, no, I'm referencing the controversy I've been in for two years, but that's all been liked away. | |
So now I'm trying to because I get banned so much, and I'm you know, I was comfortable at first. | |
I was I was at a million followers, and I was like, This is my thing, and I got it, and I can just keep doing this. | |
But once you get banned, then it's like, all right, I have to like screenshot all these comments, I gotta save all these videos, I have to save all the duets and all the uh all the stitches that people send me, so I can start being like, here's the joke I made, and here's 10,000 people wishing me death, you know. | |
Who's the bad guy here? | |
You know, I I want to show that, but it's quite the um undertaking because I have to be on top of organizing everything, and you know, you get banned all the time without warning, and I'm like, shit, I didn't go through all those comments. | |
I didn't, you know, it's just uh a process, but well, for the longest time I was reluctant to use TikTok because I thought, you know, commie platform, and then when I realized that all the platforms are sort of commie, I thought, okay, I can use TikTok, right? | |
And so my question to you is I've done some research on YouTube trying to watch videos to figure out how to be as efficient and successful as possible on TikTok. | |
What is so I I know there's not any one trick, it's it's it's nuanced and it's complicated, just like any social media platform. | |
But what is what is your approach that has consistently caused this to work for you, other than just the momentum from past successes? | |
Well, you're strategic about time of day, which hashtags, how many hashtags like that? | |
Do you get more technical about it? | |
None of that. | |
I use okay. | |
When I first started, I would do that. | |
Literally, I started getting I got to the point where it's like no hashtags, no anything. | |
Time of day, it's like I just try to fire him out as fast as I can. | |
If I have a funny joke, I never save it in my drafts. | |
I'm just push it out. | |
You know, I have a ton of drafts because it's like stuff I'm working on or haven't figured it out. | |
But as soon as it's like ready to go, I just I post it. | |
If it's midnight, if it's 2 a.m. | |
If it's 11 in the morning, whatever it is. | |
Uh for me, it's controversial. | |
I mean, controversy will grow your account, right? | |
100%. | |
Because what happens is you throw out something that gets people angry. | |
You get every big verified creator who who makes a living being outraged, doetting your video to millions of people, and it gets on millions of people's for you page, and then their audience spreads it and everybody spreads it, and it just fuels followers to you because a lot of people see it and are like, I like it, I like this guy. | |
They'll see my profile and they're like, you know what? | |
I like you, and they follow. | |
Once people knew me and now they recognize me. | |
Now it's just a vehicle to like put me back on my followers' page who don't know what my new account is. | |
So they'll just be like, Oh, Nick Foster, I know him, follow, you know. | |
So it actually helps me every time. | |
But even if you're starting fresh, controversy is a guaranteed way to go. | |
It's just it's a short-term game. | |
You will get banned. | |
There's no way now that I could tell you you're not gonna get banned if you're being controversial. | |
You will. | |
Um, but it's really jumping on the trend. | |
If you want to be within the guidelines, if you want to be politically correct or even uh, you know, family friendly, or just more not uh provocative about politics or any type of cultural stuff, just jump on trends, find the trends when you browse your best thing to do, get on TikTok, follow a bunch of people that you like that you like their content, that you want to do that type of content, or they're within the niche of whatever business or politics or whatever it is you might be doing. | |
Follow them every sound every time you see a funny a funny joke or video that they do to a sound, save that sound, save up all your sounds and your favorites, and then what I do is I just go through, and whenever there's a trending sound or there's a new sound that I can make a joke or a video off of that is my niche, which is being a bit satirical or provocative. | |
But I could I could do the same thing for a business. | |
If you had a you know a lawn care business, you could do the same thing, you know, come up with a uh lawn mowing joke to this sound and just start using those sounds. | |
That's pretty much how you're gonna you're gonna build up your page, you're gonna have a niche, you're gonna get on the right people's for you page, and you're gonna have eventually that one video that pops off, and you're gonna get a million views, and you're gonna get a bunch of followers from it. | |
And if you stay consistent, I'd say post a lot. | |
A lot of people like to be, you know, I gotta get the best video, I gotta I gotta post once a day. | |
I don't know. | |
I'd say post 15 times a day if you can. | |
Quantity overall, just sh spit them out. | |
Fire them out because your failures aren't gonna are there's no there's no there's no risk, like if it fails, it fails. | |
But people aren't going to your profile, they're just go browsing their for you page. | |
So it's either on their page or it's not right, right? | |
That makes a lot of sense. | |
Um I do, I think I set my account up as a commercial page. | |
Um, just because I didn't know if I was ever gonna run it, want to run ads or not. | |
But the problem with that is that a lot of the sounds aren't authorized for commercial pages. | |
Do you do you set your page up as just like a regular personal profile when you make a new account, or do you set it up as like a business? | |
I said it as a as a business. | |
I got the creator tools and I said it, you know, I want the analytics, so I know I think I just said it as a creator account. | |
Definitely not um limiting me on sounds, so yeah, because yeah, a lot of times when I click on sounds, it says like the sound is not eligible for commercial use, and so then I can't use that a few times, but that is not I don't think I I if you're getting it a lot. | |
I think you probably did set up a specific business account and maybe different there. | |
Okay, I would say just switch it to a creator account. | |
Okay, I'll double check it. | |
That's interesting. | |
So, what do you think is gonna happen in 2022? | |
For what the midterms, just generally, yeah. | |
Uh 2022. | |
Um, another baby. | |
I mean, things aren't gonna get crazy again until the next election. | |
I think I think you know, I think this ebbs, this whole culture kind of ebbs and flows based on the president every four years, and that's when everybody kind of gets into their camp. | |
And I think that's where um a lot of people shift sides, you know. | |
Uh, a lot of people came over to Trump that weren't always Republicans because it was like he stood he he was something that they're like, Well, I do like this, and there's kind of a realignment, and then people are just like, I'm on this Team, I'm on this team, but every so often it kind of gets shaken up. | |
But as far as like the division or you know, obviously COVID's still gonna be around, but it's it's people are over it. | |
I'm I'm shocked that uh people are still debating. | |
Hey, here's a reason to get vaccinated. | |
Like anybody who wants to get vaccinated has gotten vaccinated. | |
And the people who don't are never gonna be convinced, like, just stop talking about it and move on with your life. | |
You know, if you if if California wants to be shut down, shut down. | |
I'm in Florida, we're wide open, you know, we're living our life. | |
Nobody down here gives a shit about COVID, nobody's wearing masks, nobody nobody's crying about getting vaccinated. | |
Like our life is not nothing like what I see elsewhere in the country. | |
I can't believe that I haven't been to a COVID funeral yet. | |
Like at the beginning of this, I told my wife, I was like, We're probably gonna know some people that die, and we don't. | |
Me too. | |
I said the same, I took it seriously at first. | |
I mean, I'm sure I'm a I'm a very scientifically literate person. | |
I'm not anti-science, I'm not anti-vaccine. | |
I understand you're an iOS developer. | |
You know how how if then's work. | |
Yes, and so all the the lack of and the misinformation that was coming out at first and all the scare mongering and you know, just the un uncertainty. | |
I was I had a conversation with my girlfriend, like, all right, we're gonna have to actually lock down. | |
We need to stock up on supplies. | |
Like I was having all those what if if things really go bad, like society could break down. | |
You know, I was taking it to like we have to almost be ready to survive because shit could get chaos if there's no food for people or if the power shuts off. | |
You know, I was thinking about those things, sure, and then I was like, There's gonna be a lot of deaths, and we have to take this very seriously. | |
And then over time, it was just like I don't know anybody, not a single person who's really been debilitated, even hospitalized by COVID. | |
I know it's happening, I'm not debating that. | |
Sure, and it is not happening on this epidemic scale outside of much older, sicker people. | |
In my and I know a lot of people, I'm out there in the world, I have a lot of people all over the co I've lived in a lot of different states, and I know people, and I've heard only stories of me knowing somebody who knows somebody, right? | |
It's always two degrees or who's gone to the hospital or who got really sick. | |
I know a lot of people who got COVID and they were fine, and they were fine. | |
Their kids got COVID and they were fine, and everybody was fine. | |
I know a lot of people who think they got COVID, but they're not really sure, but they got really sick. | |
I think I did because it was right around that time, and I got this really weird sickness that hit me out of nowhere, and I never had it before, and I just kicked it. | |
But this was like before we really knew about it was like I think it was January or February, right before the March of COVID hitting. | |
And I heard a lot of stories like that. | |
So you just start when they're telling you this is the you know, this is the apocalypse, this is the black plague, and you're just like, but I don't know a single person. | |
It becomes harder and harder to take it that seriously. | |
Right, it's it's the story of the they them who cried woof, yes, and again, it's it's such a delicate thing because you say this and it's like oh, you're an anti-vaxxer. | |
Oh, you don't believe the numbers? | |
Look at the numbers. | |
It's like, yes, I do believe the numbers, but I also believe like that's still you know, not an epidemic on the proportion that we're being told every single day, you know. | |
Right, it's sad. | |
I agree. | |
I think old people need to stay home. | |
I'm not gonna go to the nursing home and I'm not gonna cough on grandma. | |
I promise. | |
But right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go outside and live my life, you know. | |
Yeah, yeah. | |
Well, I think that was I think that was sort of the wisdom of what the founders intended in this country is by emphasizing the importance of freedom, you leave individuals to make the best decision that they can when there isn't really any expert, right? | |
So you can have expert virologist, expert uh epidemiologist, whatever, but nobody was an expert on COVID when it broke. | |
It was brand new. | |
Nobody knew how viral it was, nobody knew whether it could transmit via surface or whether it was airborne, nobody knew whether or not masks really worked, there weren't studies yet. | |
No one was an expert in the beginning. | |
Yet the government came in and issued sort of like all these lockdowns and all these mandates as if they knew better. | |
And to me, that's like the antithesis of why we're free. | |
The reason I think that we're free is so that we can make decisions for ourselves and in part so that we can make decisions for ourselves in questionable circumstances. | |
Yeah, well, even the experts were giving the information they were giving was wrong. | |
A lot of it turned out to be wrong. | |
So it's like you do yourself a disservice. | |
It's kind of like how people don't trust the media now. | |
It's because you spread all of this clearly biased information, regardless of what side you're on, you can find examples on both sides that spread this misinformation, and then Nobody can take you seriously when you have Fauci out there every day saying don't wear masks, it's harmful, it's actually gonna make it worse. | |
They don't work anyways, and then it's like, do wear masks, now wear two masks, and and just more and more of that type of thing. | |
You're just like, Look, I get it, it's evolving. | |
The knowledge is evolving, the science is evolving, but you we don't trust you anymore. | |
We need a new face, or we need somebody who's not gonna tell us something they don't know until they know it. | |
And if the science is evolving and you want to convince us the science evolves, then what you're telling us today might evolve to be wrong. | |
So we're still like, okay, you say the vaccines are effective, science evolves. | |
Maybe six months from now, we're gonna find out people who got the vaccine just start killing over, or they're infertile or whatever. | |
And I'm not saying any of that, I don't believe any of that. | |
I'm just saying you could use that same argument to to go against anything that they say. | |
Well, the science evolving, so I'm gonna wait and see how it evolves. | |
You know, well, and I in regardless of how you feel about this this last election, and I don't want to get into it because of just YouTube censorship stuff. | |
But regardless of whether or not you feel it was legitimate, the I think the it's overwhelmingly obvious that the reason people doubt the integrity of the election is less to do with Trump's uh narrative or or or or speech than it is to do with the fact that the media lied about everything else about Trump for four years straight. | |
So when they told people something they didn't want to hear about the election results, they were just insane doubt. | |
Like, how do we know if they're lying or not? | |
Right, and then you have you have the censorship problem, which also leads into the COVID thing, where you're you're not when you know that social media sites start banning people for even talking about hey, maybe this election was fraudulent, and you see that happening because they're saying that's a conspiracy, we have to take you off because we have to protect the the fragile minds who might hear this and believe it. | |
Well, if you can't even discuss it, then when everybody's getting banned, you're just like, Well, maybe there is something there that that they're trying to bury. | |
The same thing with COVID, where you weren't allowed to talk about the lab leak theory, and everybody's getting banned for even bringing this up, and then it comes out that it is true. | |
It's like another great example of that. | |
Yeah, let's look, Alex Jones, I think is an entertainer. | |
I think he's funny, I think he's uh crazy man. | |
I would never take actual medical advice from him. | |
But if I see you banning him and literally not even allowing him to speak, I'm going to actively fight against that. | |
Let him speak, let him say his crazy nonsense. | |
Let everybody say they're crazy nonsense. | |
Let people figure it out. | |
And yes, some people will believe it, but you you gotta let them speak, you know, because once you start doing that, I'm just like, I'm not listening to any of you almost out of protest. | |
Even if I believe you, I'm just like, no, let people speak. | |
Who's who who are these arbiters of truth? | |
Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, Joe Biden, Dr. Fauci, TikTok. | |
You know, who gets to decide what is a conspiracy, what's real and for CNN, you know, it's the whole fake news thing. | |
That's what's hilarious. | |
The term fake news that Donald Trump popularized that was started by CNN when CNN called him fake news, and then he just took it and spun it around, and now they're like offended when people call them fake news. | |
It's like you started this whole thing. | |
It's yeah, it's funny. | |
But so do you think there's any do you think there's any way out of this tech censorship thing? | |
I mean, I I know you're an iOS developer, and obviously there's that all obviously there's the you know, there's terms and and and things that you have to apply to in order to get an app approved for iOS. | |
I know a little bit about that because I've worked in uh project management in the past with developers. | |
Do you think that there's a way out of the censorship thing? | |
I mean it has to be competition, but that's the only way. | |
But I and I've thought about this a lot because I have thought about maybe I should start an app. | |
I I have the technical skills, I obviously don't have the investment, and you need engineers, and it's you know, it's a big undertaking to do it, make an app on the scale of TikTok or Twitter, you know. | |
You're not you're uh you need more than just me, but I at least have the understanding of the social media content creator side and also of the development side, and also I have just a different perspective about freedom of speech that I would want to make an app, uh not a different what should be the common perspective is I'm a free speech absolutist, you know. | |
So I would love there to be an app that was 100% dedicated to free speech. | |
The problem is all of these, all of these companies are left-leaning, a lot of them are on Silicon Valley. | |
Even if you start your own app company, let's say I wanted to start a uh a social media app, I would put it on Amazon Web Services, I would put it on on Google Cloud that that's on they can pull the plug uh the banking system could pull the plug if they decide and we start seeing stuff like that with which we saw with Parler originally. | |
Um, and then, and there's a lot of these apps that come around, like Gab came around to be like the free speech alternative to Twitter. | |
Then you had Parler and they had, they got pulled from Amazon. | |
They got the app store pulled them. | |
If you can't get in the app store, how are you going to get users on your app? | |
You know? | |
So there's all these gatekeepers that can just pull the plug. | |
And the problem is too, that when you now create an app and you say, this is the free speech alternative, that is now a euphemism for far right extremism. | |
Right. | |
So it just, you just have to make an awesome app that has nothing to, that has no branding associated with free speech and get people to adopt it. | |
You cannot try to just attract the conservative people. | |
And I wouldn't want to anyways, when I, when I think of what I do on Tik TOK, a lot of people are like, dude, just put these videos on Parler, just put, put these videos on Trump's thing. | |
And I'm like, there's never going to be liberals on there. | |
How am I going to troll people? | |
I want the discussion. | |
I want the controversy. | |
I want the interaction. | |
And I don't, I don't want to be in an echo chamber just like, I'm trolling. | |
That's what, and I'm trying to entertain myself. | |
So these apps always become, you know, very one-sided and then they don't pick up steam either. | |
It's to get mainstream adoption like Twit to be an actual competitor to Twitter you can't just have conservative voices. | |
You have to get everybody to use it and it's just they're so far ingrained over there. | |
So I I do think the opportunity is going to present itself where and maybe it's Trump's new new app because he he has the you know the political focus on it and he has connections and he has money uh so maybe somebody like him but I think just the more censored these apps go and it's getting worse and worse because now I'm getting I was getting banned from TikTok all the time I was like well at least I still have Instagram and now Instagram is starting to get worse on that. | |
So I'm like, okay, you just keep pushing people that you say are extremists who are literally just telling jokes or just being ironic or just being a little controversial. | |
You start silencing all of those people. | |
There's going to be this overwhelming, silent desire for that type of content. | |
And when somebody just creates an app and can run it where people flood to it, people are going to leave these networks and flood to where all the cool people are hanging out or where all the fun content is. | |
just Just it's got to be a perfect storm. | |
You got to have the right person who's got the money, who's got the connections, who know who can build it outside of the the Amazon Web Services or outside of Google or outside of needing the banking system. | |
Or, you know, I think it will happen. | |
But right now, it's like without competition, you got Twitter, you got TikTok, you got YouTube. | |
You know, even YouTube is probably the best one as far as you can put your content up, but you'll be demonetized. | |
Right. | |
You can monetize through Patreon, but then Patreon's banning people, you know, who they who they determine is extremist. | |
So you can't really even count on that. | |
You could build your own streaming service, which, you know, people like Steven Crowder would do, you know, his own membership or like Ben Shapiro. | |
But if banks decide to say, no, we're not going to allow your your transactions to go through, how are you going to get around the banking system? | |
There's just, you know, that's scary that there's that much control from the tech companies that they can. | |
For the longest time, it was, oh, if you don't like Twitter's rules or you don't like Twitter's rules or you don't like Twitter's rules, you don't like these censorships, go start your own Twitter. | |
And then they did. | |
And then they just got banned from, you know, all the companies colluding together. | |
So what do you do? | |
I don't know. | |
I think it's creating a, it's going to create this huge desire for this type of content. | |
And there's going to be a big pendulum swing, just like we've seen many times in culture, where the more hyper PC things get, the more craving there is from the next generation to have crazy comedians and crazy music and very offensive over the top things to, to stand up to, you know, the peace establishment. | |
Yeah. | |
Yeah. | |
It's sort of ironic how it does seem to backfire. | |
Like I tweeted a while ago that I've been radicalized by Joe Biden because, because the more, the more censored and told that you're a bigot or a Nazi or whatever, the, the more radical the emotional responses to that when you know, it's not true. | |
Right. | |
And so it's the Joker plotline. | |
You just put society pushes you so far and you're just like, all right, I'm going to, I'm going to lean into this then. | |
Right. | |
And yeah, that is, that is exactly you. | |
You're right. | |
right about like the the Nazi and the the the bigot and the racist because I get this stuff all the time, and it's just so I'm coming from a place like if you knew me in my real life and you knew my friends, and you know how like open-minded I am and how friendly I am to everybody and non-judgmental, but I am uh a bit of a just uh you know, | |
I can be a dick, I can be uh, but just in good fun in real life, but nobody in real life who actually thinks you know I'm a bigot or I'm a racist or I'm a misogynist, but I make these jokes on TikTok, and it's just flooded with accusations of you are the worst type of racist, you are the worst type of bigot, you are a Nazi, you are this, and you caught you call me that so much that I'm not now not even scared of being called that. | |
When at first it was like, Am I be am I over the line? | |
Am I wrong here? | |
And then it's it becomes totally meaningless that you can call me a racist a thousand times a day, and I'm just like, Yeah, sure, you can believe that. | |
And then I'll just make a joke, like, yeah, I'm racist, with just being ironic. | |
You know, that's not the joke I would make, but I just lean into it. | |
Right. | |
There's so many people who do. | |
If you just keep calling somebody that that's that's the colonizer thing. | |
This guy just keeps calling white people colonizers. | |
He has a whole brand that's hate colonizer that he's he's selling. | |
He he every white person that disagrees with him, he just says they're people bang their sisters, they uh they uh they're all KKK members, you're all rapists, enslavers, and like all just all white people are that because of what people hundreds of years ago did to his people a hundred years ago, five hundred years ago, whatever. | |
It's like right get over, dude. | |
It's half of a millennium century. | |
What you know, uh, so I create this account to kind of you know, just lean into that. | |
Like everybody is getting all I see, all these people kind of actually arguing with this guy. | |
Like, you're you're the racist, you're the you're you know, I'm not a colonizer. | |
All people did this, and I I just go the other way. | |
I just lean into it, and I'm like, Yeah, I'm a colonizer. | |
Hey, my neighbor has some land. | |
I'm gonna go colonize that. | |
Hey, let's go colonize some shit. | |
Let's get on a boat, guys. | |
Let's let's go find some natural resources. | |
And I just like one of my favorite ones is when you you erase colonizer and replace it with conqueror. | |
Yeah, that one caused a bunch of controversy because it's like, how dare you? | |
And then how is that different? | |
Exactly. | |
And what it gets a point across too. | |
The thing about my satire is like a lot of people who hate me are like, that's not even a joke, and there's not even joke there, and you're not even making a point. | |
This isn't good satire. | |
It's like, I am making a point. | |
You're just so close to getting it, but you miss it because the reactions I got to that video when I said he says, Oh, you're a colonizer, and I'm like, Oh, you mean conqueror? | |
Yeah, you can also call us winners. | |
We won world history. | |
Sorry, losers. | |
Sucks to suck, but so I do stuff like that, and then all these people start flooding me with, oh, you think you're a conqueror? | |
You didn't conquer shit, you would have been the first one to die. | |
You don't you you can't take credit for this, and it's like you're so close to the point. | |
I didn't do I didn't colonize shit, I didn't come over here and take any land, I didn't do anything, I didn't kill anybody, I didn't enslave anybody. | |
You're so close to getting the point, and instead, you're just like, you don't get to take credit for this. | |
It's like, well, then I don't get the blame for it either. | |
That's the point I'm making. | |
And if you're gonna blame me for it, then I'm gonna take the credit. | |
So I made that video too. | |
I made a group uh, it was one of it's the one pinned on my other account. | |
I don't know if you know my other account, it's Nick Foster guy. | |
Well, you must, yeah. | |
I think I follow several of them, yeah. | |
And the the my top pinned video right now, if if it's still up, you know, I might be banned, but it's um it is all I keep getting blamed for all these terrible things what other white people did. | |
So here's some other things I did, and it's like I ended slavery, I gave women rights. | |
I love that video credit. | |
Like, I did this, and it's just the same reaction. | |
All these people being like, Yeah, but you took the rights away, and you didn't give women rights, blah blah blah. | |
You didn't do this. | |
It's like you can't you can't blame me for it if I don't also get to take the credit for all the good things white people did. | |
I invented the light bulb, I landed on the moon, I invented the iPhone, I cured uh, you know, whatever. | |
Just go down the list, right? | |
And then they lose their minds. | |
I I funded COVID, yeah, exactly. | |
I I uh I signed the civil rights act, I marched with Martin Luther King. | |
I you know, just you could go down the list, and so I just do and stuff like that, and they just they lose their minds and they don't see like just take you're so close, just take it one step further with your brain, and you're gonna realize oh, you're right, he doesn't deserve the credit, he also doesn't deserve the blame, you know. | |
That's I think that's brilliant. | |
I think it's brilliant, man. | |
Where can people find you? | |
Uh, what what platforms, usernames are you trying to push? | |
Okay. | |
I would say the best thing to do is follow me on Instagram at Nick Foster Official. | |
That's the name I put down here because that's where I still kind of can put some of these jokes up that get banned from TikTok. | |
And you can see a lot. | |
I post a lot of the messages, the DMs I get, a lot of hateful stuff, a lot of funny stuff, and like my my comebacks to them. | |
If you're on Twitter, which I know you're bigger on, it's Nick Foster Show on Twitter. | |
And then just search Nick Foster on TikTok. | |
I get banned so much by the time people see this, I'll probably have two other accounts. | |
So Nick Foster, Nick Foster dad on TikTok. | |
That one's probably up. | |
Okay. | |
Awesome, man. | |
Well, thank you so much for coming on. | |
Hang tight for a second. | |
I'm gonna end the stream and then we'll uh we'll close it out. | |
But it was really a pleasure to have you, man. | |
You were an awesome guest. | |
I love your work, and I'll continue to follow and support. | |
And let's make sure we stay in touch. | |
Hell yeah, dude. | |
Okay. |