Chase Geiser and Nick Foster dissect TikTok's escalating censorship, arguing it stems from a coordinated effort to suppress American values. Foster details creating over 13 accounts to troll figures like Modern Warrior, facing bans for historical content involving Columbus and Hitler due to context-ignoring moderation. They link this to post-2016 tech censorship trends, critique selective outrage regarding dictators, and debate election conspiracy theories. Foster employs satirical white supremacist rhetoric to expose logical fallacies in cancel culture, asserting that if critics deny him credit for historical achievements, they must also absolve him of blame for atrocities. Ultimately, the hosts conclude that free speech absolutism and new platform competition are the only viable solutions against current infrastructure blockades. [Automatically generated summary]
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So I found you on TikTok because I just started using TikTok like a normal commie.
And I found you, and it was just one of your like absolutely hilarious colonizer videos.
I think it was the one where you were singing the song and you were Christopher Columbus on the boat and it was just like the don't be fine, don't worry song or whatever.
And I troll on all kinds of subjects and I'll make a joke and people will get mad.
And whatever group it is, they get mad.
They try to cancel me.
They flood me with hate.
And I just keep making 10, 20, 30 jokes about the same thing.
And I'll just keep it going forever.
I'll get banned on one account.
I'll start a new account, but it's all kinds of topics.
The colonizer thing happened because I get into these rivalries with other TikTokers.
And one of the ones that was blowing up now that people were sending me is Modern Warrior.
I don't know if you know him on TikTok.
Him, her.
It's questionable.
I don't know.
Dio says he him, so we'll respect it.
Okay.
Your gut instinct would tell you otherwise, but whatever.
And his whole account, he's an indigenous person, I guess, Native American, however you truth is, he's just a modern American wearing t-shirts and using iPhones.
So, you know, it's not like he's living in a teepee.
And his whole account is pretty much just blatant racism against white people.
And he has 2 million followers, you know, like blown up.
And his whole thing is just calling white people colonizers.
They're racist.
They're bigots.
They did this.
They're rapists.
They're all this stuff.
And so I just made an account to troll him, basically.
Like, oh, you're going to call us colonizers.
So I created an account called Proud Colonizer where all I do is lean into it and be like, yeah, I'm colonizing my neighbor's backyard today.
Hey, guys, check me out.
I'm grilling in my colonized land.
The Christopher Columbus thing is just, you know, a bit of a troll just to get under their skin.
But it's literally just a troll account just to troll this one dude on TikTok.
So I crunched the numbers and I found, I basically discovered that between 1958 and 1962, more people were killed because of the great leap forward in China than by all of white supremacy, including the Holocaust from 1619 to 2019.
Sometimes I'm Googling things, like trying to figure out these facts and these arguments just to frame like a joke or frame, you know, whatever my point of reference is.
And then I'm just like, if somebody's, you know, if Google's keeping track of this, it's going to put me on some list.
I did, I made a whole rant about that one time about how like people can't, you know, when Amazon had the app icon that got canceled because it looked like the Hitler mustache, it was just an Amazon box.
And it just had a piece of tape that looked like not, you would never guess Hitler.
Like anybody who sees Hitler in that has, they're the ones with the problem.
And they changed the logo because they're like, we don't want it to look like Hitler.
And it just got me thinking, like, we canceled for the rest of history a mustache shaped piece of tape on a box or anybody naming their kid like Adolph, which obviously you wouldn't want to.
I mean, that's a terrible name.
But nobody cancels the Stalin mustache.
Nobody cancels the name Joseph.
Like everybody names their kids Joseph.
And Joseph Stalin was alive at the exact same time and killed more people than Hitler did, not to even mention Mao.
You know, I don't think people name their kids Mao, but it is very selective outrage.
It's very strange when you're like, why does Hitler get all this credit?
Where, you know, where they're able to have all the benefits of capitalism, but all the power associated, centralized power associated with, um, I got this Mike Pence fly flying around.
I've got one account that's had two videos that constituted violation.
And so I think one more screw up on that account and I'm probably out.
But like whatever, I'll just make another one.
I mean, that's one of the things that's so cool about TikTok is that if you make good content, which I haven't quite figured out how to do yet, I'm still practicing.
But if you make good content, you can blow up an account pretty quickly.
So if you don't know my history, I got on TikTok about two years ago.
It was in November of 2019, right before, you know, quarantine and the pandemic and all of that.
And I got on and I got to like 10,000 followers pretty quick, but I was instantly in controversy.
And I kind of always was trolling on the internet anyway.
So I was like, okay, this is just going to float me up to the top.
And I grew that account to 500,000 followers in a couple, maybe eight months or something, got banned on that account, started a new account, got 500,000 followers back in one week, all of them back.
Blew that account up to a million followers.
And then they banned that account.
And now it's like, I can't even get every time I get to like 200, I keep getting up to 100, 200,000, and then I get banned and I start over.
Well, I know there was some stuff going on with Facebook before where they did start cracking down on the advertising account specifically because of, I think, the whole, you know, election controversy and all that.
So they just started kind of cutting people down, probably just to protect their ass.
I don't know if that's exactly cancel culture, but it's all right.
It's all tied to this, this epidemic, I guess, of hypersensitivity and, you know, censorship.
And I think part of the problem was I would still be like left as an admin on an account for an old client.
And then that old client would make an ad that violated a policy.
And so I would show up in the system as an admin of an ad account that was violating the terms of service, even though I didn't make the ad or I was no longer working with the client.
I wonder what, I wonder what Obama thinks about Biden.
Like, I know he's friends with him and he had a good rapport when they were together, but like just seeing his decline, regardless of what you think of his politics or whatever he's doing with his administration, just the sadness in this dude's like, he's just dying in front of everybody.
And Obama must know the pressures and all what's going on behind the scenes.
And also, like, I don't know, maybe he's pulling the strings.
You know, it's just well, he owns he owns that nice, what, Martha Vineyard's mansion right on the seashore, which is strange because I thought it was going to be underwater soon, but he seems to be pretty confident that it's not.
But the craziest thing, man, like if you go back and watch the Biden debate with Paul debate with Paul Ryan, where he basically just made Paul Ryan look like a pathetic teenager, yeah, and then you compare Biden's performance to just town hall with Anderson Cooper, it's like they're totally different human beings.
I don't think that it's just my bias, like thinking, like, oh, you know, he's 80 years old and he is a senile, old, decrepit man.
Like, I think of my grandpa during that age, and he was just falling, like, he was, he was, he, he was napping all day.
Like, you know, Biden is just napping.
He's a grandpa, like, he's a dying man.
You know, he's not up doing anything.
He's just literally napping, has no clue what's going on.
And people are wheeling him out, probably popping him with some, you know, pharmaceutical cocaine that they call something else and say, go give this 20-minute speech and then we'll take you back to bed.
Yeah, I supported him too because everybody I hate hated him so much.
Yeah, that's kind of what I want to say.
And I agree with you.
I'd like to see DeSantis or some anybody else really run because the prudent and like wise thing for Trump to do, in my opinion, that I would really appreciate as one constituent is his endorsement would pick any primary candidate.
Anyone that he endorsed would be the one that would win the primary.
And so I don't understand why he wants to do it again for four years when he could just pick anybody in the world to do it.
Here's why, because I think, regardless of as much as Trump was kind of fighting for some of the things that I, you know, and we can get into our specific politics because I'm not like a standard conservative or anything.
I wouldn't call myself a conservative, but I'm not a Republican.
I just, I don't, not to get too sidetracked, but I don't really vote based on policy or anything.
I literally, and it's not who would you have a beer with?
It's I vote based on culture.
Like, who do I think is going to be a better force for where I want American culture to go?
And so for Obama's time back in 2008, there was a lot of problems that I had with the Christian conservatives controlling speech, being hypersensitive.
They were very dogmatic in a lot of way, you know, trying to stop all kinds of progress that I don't really, I make jokes about things, but I want people to be able to get married if they want to.
I think it's stupid to get married and whatever, be gay, wear a dress.
I don't give a shit.
Do whatever you want to do.
So I did like, I think Obama at the time was a better force for like progress.
And I thought it would be great to have, I mean, I did think it'd be great to have a black president.
I thought it would heal a lot of wounds.
I thought it would move the country forward.
I thought it would be a good kind of middle finger to the actual racists in the country, like the who, which are a dying breed.
There's not near as many racists now as there was, you know, just a couple decades ago.
And so at the time, I thought Obama was this great just figurehead for moving the culture forward, not policy-wise.
Then it got super hypersensitive around, you know, his second term is when woke culture really started taking off.
Censorship starts taking off.
Every start, everybody becomes social justice warriors and starts saying, don't say this, don't do that.
That word.
And it's like it swung the other way where now they sounded like my Christian grandma saying, cancel that video game, take down that movie.
That comedian is, we can't let the kids listen to that.
And it's like, okay, well, fuck you.
What's a good force to just destroy that?
Donald Trump comes around and he's just a big wrecking ball to that whole thing.
And I'm like, let's throw him in there.
You know, so I'm very, I'd say my issue more than it's not abortion or gun rights or any or even the economy.
It's freedom of speech.
That's really what I kind of feel like a vote on.
So yeah, I also was younger when Obama took office.
So, you know, you learn a lot of things from then too.
But the point that I'm trying to make is like Barack Obama could, you know, string together a sentence and Joe Biden can't even utter a complete sentence.
I mean, I don't think he could count backwards from 100 without making a mistake, even if he had a teleprompter.
So I think that the, what do you think about the censorship thing?
I think my opinion is that it started with after as soon as Trump won, the left immediately went to blame Facebook because of Cambridge Analytica and the allegations of Russian ads and stuff like that.
And I think that's when the social media companies got like this big internal scare that if they didn't do something, there was going to be like hyper legislation against them by the left.
And I think that what we're seeing now might be a manifestation of that initial push five years ago, but maybe that's just a coincidence.
I mean, I think there's something definitely to be said about that.
I think it's also these companies, you know, they're recognizing their power and their influence.
And a lot, you know, people, people want to get power.
And if they can position themselves to control who becomes president, I mean, they're going to take things in a direction.
Then you have, you know, a lot of these, these tech entrepreneurs are in Silicon Valley.
It's a very leftist, you know, just culture out there.
So you're going to get, it's just like how colleges get inundated with leftist professors and leftist students because it's a, it's a self-fulfilling, you know, a reinforcing loop.
Right.
So you're going to have a lot of people with those ideals running and making policies.
So that's going to lean to the left.
But as far as like the cancel culture and the censorship, I don't, I feel like a lot of it started even before that.
It was just, it blew up when Trump, like Trump to me, was a bit of a reaction to what was going on with the censorship and the cancel culture.
And then when he actually got in, you know, people just lost their minds, which I honestly, even that, I'm like, why?
Why does CNN care that Donald Trump is president if all it did was help them?
You know, their ratings boomed for four years and now they're tanking the second he's gone.
Yet they're, and I understand pretending like they care, but it seems like they actually care that he was president.
I don't know.
So people lost their mind during that time, but I saw the cancel culture coming in 2012.
It wasn't in, it took to the mainstream kind of cancel culture took over the mainstream probably around 2015, 2016, during the Trump time.
But the social justice movement was where I started seeing people become hyper sensitive.
And it was around 2012 when I saw it just eating into my own friend groups, like people that we were just all hanging out having fun for years.
We were making all kinds of crazy jokes.
And then just all of a sudden, I had like a best, like I had a YouTube channel with this guy and we lived, it was my roommate.
And then I lived with this other girl and we did this whole like YouTube channel.
And he was, you know, he was a funny, like just carefree, very, we just made a lot of jokes.
And that's kind of how it all started.
And it was all good then.
But then a couple of years, it was like two years later, he was coming up to me like, hey, could you not say that thing or post that thing?
Because I'm hanging out with a bunch of these new friends and they're going to get mad if they see that.
And it was like, he was secretly telling me like, I don't judge you, but I'm afraid like my friends are going to judge me.
And it just started shocking me.
And I started seeing that kind of behavior more and more where there's this division of, I can't associate with this person or I can't say that or you can't do that or because they were contro, they're being controlled by their own friend groups.
Crowd of liberal people who I'm going to be ostracized if I associate with any of this, even though they were fine with it just six months before, you know, so they, it's, it became like this religious indoctrination, but it started slow.
And then you just see it more and more take over social media.
I saw it all over Twitter.
That's when, because in 2011, a lot of people don't know.
I, I got on Twitter, I think in 2009.
And in 2011, I was heavy on Twitter.
I wasn't like a big, I didn't have a lot of clout because, you know, this was 10 years ago.
I mean, I still don't have as much clout as you on Twitter.
So what am I even saying?
But on Twitter in 2011, I was posting a lot because I was doing stand-up comedy at the time.
And Twitter was this funny, witty, sarcastic, edgy place where all day, every day, it was just people trying to say the most provocative, edgy, witty joke.
And that's what Twitter was.
And people, you can't even really think about that now because Twitter is so not like that.
I mean, people got, I mean, another example would be like Ari Shafir.
He had that big controversy when Kobe died.
And he, I don't know if you know him, but he put it.
He, anytime somebody big dies, he'll put out the most, you got to understand his sense of humor, but he'll literally just be like, he was a piece of shit.
I hope he rots in hell.
You know, like he'll do like over the top shit, but he does it to everybody, but he did it to Kobe and he got run off Twitter.
I mean, I think he pretty much got like banned from everything.
And like at a certain point, it's like, I'm not going to do that again.
That was, you touch a hot stove that hot, you know, it just scares people into compliance and into self-censorship.
It's like, look, if anybody has a right to mock Alec Baldwin during this time, I think it's the son of the guy that Alec Baldwin mocked on television for four years.
But Kathy Griffin did that tweet when Trump got COVID.
Like, is he dead yet?
I have an appointment later, you know, some shit like that.
I have other things to do today.
So then Kathy Griffin just recently got cancer, lung cancer and had to go into surgery.
And of course, that's awful.
And, you know, I hope she survives and everything's fine.
But of course, you know, Twitter is just going to be like, hey, remember when you said, so it's all these people retweeting her tweet saying, is she dead yet?
I got things to do today.
Exact same joke, exact same wording, but everybody loses their mind.
Like that's over the line.
That's inappropriate.
You don't mock that.
You don't do that.
And I wouldn't mock that in a vacuum, but when you're literally just pointing out the hypocrisy of it's okay for you to do it, but if I do it, you know, that's, that's what I do all the time on social media.
Well, for me, like if you were to talk to me personally about Alec Baldwin and what happened, and as no Alec Baldwin fan, as a human being, I'm not a fan of him as a human being.
I like a lot of his movies, but I'm not an Alec Baldwin fan.
Okay.
But I feel bad for him for what happened.
I feel bad for the people who were shot and I feel bad for everybody on set.
No matter who screwed up, it sucks.
I feel bad for all those people.
That is my genuine sentiment.
But I incessantly troll what happened on Twitter because I am fighting for my right to be offensive.
Like as you pop up, I'm trying to work on how to transition this to YouTube where I can actually show the long, the long form narrative of what I've been doing with this trolling.
Not just like, here's the joke I do, because my jokes are just bait to get people to get mad and react.
But people, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
What people are getting mad about.
They don't see the thousands of comments I get, the thousands of duets I get, the amount of people losing their minds over the dumbest things, the most not like just a simple joke and the wave of hate that I get.
And then it's like the accounts get banned.
So nobody can get the cont then when I do a joke, they think like they don't know the backstory.
They don't know the context of like why I'm trying to piss off this type of person or this community.
It's, you know, like you just think of this all day, every day.
You're obsessed with this.
It's like, no, I'm referencing the controversy I've been in for two years, but that's all been miked away.
So now I'm trying to, because I get banned so much and I'm, you know, I was comfortable at first.
I was at a million followers and I was like, this is my thing.
And I got it.
And I could just keep doing this.
But once you get banned, then it's like, all right, I have to like screenshot all these comments.
I got to save all these videos.
I have to save all the duets and all the stitches that people send me.
So I can start being like, here's the joke I made.
And here's 10,000 people wishing me death.
You know, who's the bad guy here?
You know, I want to show that, but it's quite the undertaking because I have to be on top of organizing everything.
And, you know, you get banned all the time without warning.
And I'm like, shit, I didn't go through all those comments.
And so my question to you is, I've done some research on YouTube, trying to watch videos to figure out how to be as efficient and successful as possible on TikTok.
What, what is so, I know there's not any one trick.
It's, it's, it's nuanced and it's complicated, just like any social media platform.
But what is, what is your approach that has consistently caused this to work for you other than just the momentum from past successes?
Well, research teaching about time of day, which hashtags, how many hashtags like that?
Literally, I started getting, I got to the point where it's like, no hashtags, no anything.
Time of day, it's like, I just try to fire them out as fast as I can.
If I have a funny joke, I never save it in my drafts.
I'm just push it out.
You know, I have a ton of drafts because it's like stuff I'm working on or haven't figured it out.
But as soon as it's like ready to go, I just, I post it.
If it's midnight, if it's 2 a.m., if it's 11 in the morning, whatever it is.
For me, it's controversy.
I mean, controversy will grow your account 100%.
Because what happens is you throw out something that gets people angry.
You get every big verified creator who makes a living being outraged, dueting your video to millions of people.
And it gets on millions of people's for you page.
And then their audience spreads it and everybody spreads it.
And it just fuels followers to you because a lot of people see it and are like, I like it.
I like this.
And they'll see my profile.
And they're like, you know what?
I like you.
And they follow.
Once people knew me and now they recognize me, now it's just a vehicle to like put me back on my followers page who don't know what my new account is.
So they'll just be like, oh, Nick Foster, I know him.
Follow, you know?
So it actually helps me every time.
But even if you're starting fresh, controversy is a guaranteed way to go.
It's just, it's a short-term game.
You will get banned.
There's no way now that I could tell you you're not going to get banned if you're being controversial.
You will.
But it's really jumping on the trend.
If you want to be within the guidelines, if you want to be politically correct or even, you know, family friendly or just more not provocative about politics or any type of cultural stuff, just jump on trends.
Find the trends when you browse your best thing to do, get on TikTok, follow a bunch of people that you like, that you like their content, that you want to do that type of content, or they're within the niche of whatever business or politics or whatever it is you might be doing.
Follow them.
Every time you see a funny, a funny joke or video that they do to a sound, save that sound, save up all your sounds and your favorites.
And then what I do is I just go through and whenever there's a trendy sound or there's a new sound that I can make a joke or a video off of that is my niche, which is being a bit satirical or provocative.
But I could, I could do the same thing for a business.
If you had a, you know, a lawn care business, you could do the same thing, you know, come up with a lawn mowing joke to this sound and just start using those sounds.
That's pretty much how you're going to, you're going to build up your page.
You're going to have a niche.
You're going to get on the right people's for you page and you're going to have eventually that one video that pops off and you're going to get a million views and you're going to get a bunch of followers from it.
And if you stay consistent, I'd say post a lot.
A lot of people like to be, you know, I got to get the best video.
I've seen that a few times, but that is not, I don't think if you're getting it a lot, I think you probably did set up a specific business account and maybe are different there.
I think, you know, I think this ebbs, this whole culture kind of ebbs and flows based on the president every four years.
And that's when everybody kind of gets into their camp.
And I think that's where a lot of people shift sides.
You know, a lot of people came over to Trump that weren't always Republicans because it was like he stood, he was something that they're like, well, I do like this.
And there's kind of a realignment.
And then people are just like, I'm on this team.
I'm on this team.
But every so often it kind of gets shaken up.
But as far as like the division or, you know, obviously COVID's still going to be around, but it's, it's, people are over it.
I'm, I'm shocked that people are still debating, hey, here's a reason to get vaccinated.
Like anybody who wants to get vaccinated has gotten vaccinated.
And the people who don't are never going to be convinced, like, just stop talking about it and move on with your life.
You know, if you, if, if California wants to be shut down, shut down.
I'm in Florida.
We're wide open.
You know, we're living our life.
Nobody down here gives a shit about COVID.
Nobody's wearing masks.
Nobody, nobody's crying about getting vaccinated.
Like our life is nothing like what I see elsewhere in the country.
And so all the lack of and the misinformation that was coming out at first and all the scaremongering and just the uncertainty.
I was, I had a conversation with my girlfriend, like, all right, we're going to have to actually lock down.
We need to stock up on supplies.
Like I was having all those what if things really go bad, like society could break down.
You know, I was taking it to like, we have to almost be ready to survive because shit could get chaos if there's no food for people or if no power shuts off.
And again, it's, it's such a delicate thing because you say this and it's like, oh, you're an anti-vaxxer.
Oh, you don't believe the numbers?
Look at the numbers.
It's like, yes, I do believe the numbers, but I also believe like that's still, you know, not an epidemic on the proportion that we're being told every single day, you know?
Well, I think that was, I think that was sort of the wisdom of what the founders intended in this country is by emphasizing the importance of freedom, you leave individuals to make the best decision that they can when there isn't really any expert, right?
So you can have expert virologist, expert epidemiologist, whatever, but nobody was an expert on COVID when it broke.
It was brand new.
Nobody knew how viral it was.
Nobody knew whether it could transmit via surface or whether it was airborne.
Nobody knew whether or not masks really worked.
There weren't studies yet.
No one was an expert in the beginning.
Yet the government came in and issued sort of like all these lockdowns and all these mandates as if they knew better.
And to me, that's like the antithesis of why we're free.
The reason I think that we're free is so that we can make decisions for ourselves and in part so that we can make decisions for ourselves in questionable circumstances.
Well, and regardless of how you feel about this last election, and I don't want to get into it because of just YouTube censorship stuff, regardless of whether or not you feel it was legitimate, I think it's overwhelmingly obvious that the reason people doubt the integrity of the election is less to do with Trump's narrative or speech than it is to do with the fact that the media lied about everything else about Trump for four years straight.
And then you have, you have the censorship problem, which also leads into the COVID thing where you're, you're not, when you know that social media sites start banning people for even talking about, hey, maybe this election was fraudulent and you see that happening because they're saying that's a conspiracy.
We have to take you off because we have to protect the fragile minds who might hear this and believe it.
Well, if you can't even discuss it, then when everybody's getting banned, you're just like, well, maybe there is something there that they're trying to bury.
The same thing with COVID, where you weren't allowed to talk about the lab leak theory and everybody's getting banned for even bringing this up.
Let like, I don't look, Alex Jones, I think is an entertainer.
I think he's funny.
I think he's a crazy man.
I would never take actual medical advice from him.
But if I see you banning him and literally not even allowing him to speak, I'm going to actively fight against that.
Let him speak.
Let him say his crazy nonsense.
Let everybody say they're crazy nonsense.
Let people figure it out.
And yes, some people will believe it, but you got to let them speak, you know, because once you start doing that, I'm just like, I'm not listening to any of you almost out of protest.
Even if I believe you, I'm just like, no, let people speak.
Who are these arbiters of truth?
Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, Joe Biden, Dr. Fauci, TikTok.
You know, who gets to decide what is a conspiracy?
What's a real infrastructure?
CNN?
You know, it's the whole fake news thing.
That's what's hilarious.
The term fake news that Donald Trump popularized, that was started by CNN when CNN called him fake news.
And then he just took it and spun it around.
And now they're like offended when people call them fake news.
So do you think there's any, do you think there's any way out of this tech censorship thing?
I mean, I know you're an iOS developer and obviously there's Obviously, there's you know, there's terms and things that you have to apply to in order to get an app approved for iOS.
I know a little bit about that because I've worked in uh project management in the past with developers.
Do you think that there's a way out of the censorship thing?
I mean, it has to be competition, but that's the only way.
But and I've thought about this a lot because I have thought about maybe I should start an app.
I have the technical skills.
I obviously don't have the investment and you need engineers.
And it's, you know, it's a big undertaking to make an app on the scale of TikTok or Twitter.
You know, you're, you need more than just me, but I at least have the understanding of the social media content creator side and also of the development side.
And also, I have just a different perspective about freedom of speech that I would want to make an app, not a different, what should be the common perspective is I'm a free speech absolutist, you know?
So I would love there to be an app that was 100% dedicated to free speech.
The problem is all of these, all of these companies are left-leaning.
A lot of them are on Silicon Valley.
Even if you start your own app company, let's say I wanted to start a social media app, I would put it on Amazon web services, I would put it on Google Cloud.
That's on, they can pull the plug.
The banking system could pull the plug if they decide.
And we start seeing stuff like that, which we saw with Parlor originally.
And then, and there's a lot of these apps that come around.
Like Gab came around to be like the free speech alternative to Twitter.
Then you had Parlor and they had, they got pulled from Amazon.
They got the app store pulled them.
If you can't get in the app store, how are you going to get users on your app?
So there's all these gatekeepers that can just pull the plug.
And the problem is, too, that when you now create an app and you say this is the free speech alternative, that is now a euphemism for far right extremism, right?
So you just have to make an awesome app that has nothing that has no branding associated with free speech and get you cannot try to just attract the conservative people.
And I wouldn't want to anyways, when I when I think of what I do on TikTok, a lot of people are like, dude, just put these videos on Parler, just put put these videos on Trump's thing.
And I'm like, there's never going to be liberals on there.
How am I going to troll people?
I want the discussion.
I want the controversy.
I want the interaction.
And I don't I don't want to be in an echo chamber like I'm trolling.
That's what I'm trying to entertain myself.
So these apps always become, you know, very one sided.
And then they don't pick up steam either to get mainstream adoption like Twitter to be an actual competitor to Twitter.
You can't just have conservative voices.
You have to get everybody to use it.
And it's just they're so far ingrained over there.
So I do think the opportunity is going to present itself where and maybe it's Trump's new new app because he he has the you know, the political focus on it and he has connections and he has money.
So maybe somebody like him.
But I think just the more censored these apps go and it's getting worse and worse because now I'm getting I was getting banned from TikTok all the time.
I was like, well, at least I still have Instagram.
And now Instagram is starting to get worse on that.
So I'm like, OK, you just keep pushing people that you say are extremists who are literally just telling jokes or just being ironic or just being a little controversial.
You start you start silencing all of those people.
There's going to be this overwhelming silent desire for that type of content.
And when somebody just creates an app and can run it where people flood to it, people are going to leave these networks and flood to where all the cool people are hanging out or where all the fun content is.
It's just it's got to be a perfect storm.
You've got to have the right person who's got the money, who's got the connections, who know who can build it outside of the the Amazon Web Services or outside of Google or outside of needing the banking system or, you know, I think it will happen.
But right now, it's like without competition, you got Twitter, you got tick tock, you got YouTube, you know, even YouTube is probably the best one as far as you can put your content up, but you'll be demonetized.
Right.
You can monetize through Patreon, but then Patreon's banning people, you know, who they who they determine is extremists.
So you can't really even count on that.
You could build your own streaming service, which, you know, people like Steven Crowder would do, you know, his own membership or like Ben Shapiro.
So if the banks decide to say, no, we're not going to allow your transactions to go through.
How are you going to get around the banking system?
There's just, you know, that's scary that there's that much control from the tech companies that they can for the longest time.
It was, oh, if you don't like Twitter's rules or you don't like these censorships, go start your own Twitter.
And then they did.
And then they just got banned from, you know, all the companies colluding together.
So what do you do?
I don't know.
I'm, I think it, I think it's creating a, it's going to create this huge desire for this type of content.
And there's going to be a big pendulum swing, just like we've seen many times in culture, where the more hyper-PC things get, the more craving there is from the next generation to have crazy comedians and crazy music and very offensive over-the-top things to stand up to, you know, the peace establishment.
Like I tweeted a while ago that I've been radicalized by Joe Biden because the more the more censored and told that you're a bigot or a Nazi or whatever, the more radical the emotional response is to that when you know it's not true, right?
And yeah, that is that is exactly you're right about like the Nazi and the bigot and the racist because I get this stuff all the time.
And it's just so I'm coming from a place like if you knew me in my real life and you knew my friends and you know how like open-minded I am and how friendly I am to everybody and non-judgmental, but I am a bit of a just a you know, I can be a dick, I can be a, but just in good fun in real life.
But nobody in real life who actually thinks, you know, I'm a bigot or I'm a racist or I'm a misogynist.
But I make these jokes on TikTok and it's just flooded with accusations of you are the worst type of racist.
You are the worst type of bigot.
You are a Nazi.
You are this.
And you call, you call me that so much that I'm not now not even scared of being called that.
When at first it was like, am I being, am I over the line?
Am I wrong here?
And then it becomes totally meaningless that you can call me a racist a thousand times a day.
And I'm just like, yeah, sure, you can believe that.
And then I'll just make a joke like, yeah, I'm racist.
Just being ironic, you know, that's not the joke I would make, but I just lean into it.
And the, the, my top pinned video right now, if, if it's still up, you know, I might be banned, but it's, um, it is, I keep getting blamed for all these terrible things other white people did.