Eric Jackman | The Best Impressions Of Donald Trump & Alex Jones In One Podcast | OAP #39
Chase Geiser is joined by Eric Jackman.
Eric Jackman is, without a doubt, the politically sharpest and funniest Donald Trump impersonator on the planet. His razor-sharp wit, combined with his up-to-the-minute grasp and in-depth knowledge of real political issues and popular culture put him miles ahead of other Trump impersonators. With Donald Trump's voice and mannerisms, without rehearsal, at any time, Jackman is able to stream a hilarious Trumpian monologue that combines politics, pop culture, and social commentary to the delight of anyone within earshot. Simply engage him on any topic, and you'll be treated to smart, side-splitting Trumpian oration.
Jackman, around home in Rindge NH, had been honing his Trump impersonation for years, among other comedic endeavors. He finally brought it into public view with a very big splash beginning in 2016, initially by turning up at Donald Trump rallies during the US presidential primary campaign. Sure enough, the president-to-be noticed Jackman, called him out, and had a great laugh with him. Suddenly, Jackman found himself being lauded by press from across the USA and Europe, and acclaimed as among the best Trump impersonators in the world by CBS News. See the Press page for a sampling.
Jackman began fielding requests to appear as Trump in comedy venues, on local talk shows, at mock debates, and at other events, garnering further press attention and acclaim. He also began accepting invitations to appear as Trump at corporate and other private events. Jackman is now heard as the voice of Trump for Fusion TV's animated shorts and appears on the show The Feed. His impersonation of Trump magnifies the essential qualities of Trump, and rings true. This creates great appeal to pro-Trump, anti-Trump, and Trump-neutral listeners, each agreeing that Jackman reflects Trump's essence with remarkable accuracy.
A true student of politics and pop culture, Jackman and his brother Mike also host an irregularly published podcast called Jackman Radio on which they interview guests and discuss the latest topics breaking in the American public consciousness. Jackman Radio launched its first live, public event in March, 2018. Jackman makes it a point to study politicians closely and has made the effort to meet and speak with many, a sampling of whom can be seen on the Photos page.
If you're looking for a hilarious, unique comedy and entertainment experience for your next event, look no further than Eric Jackman as President Trump! Having the uncanny ability to improvise on the spot or learn an entire speech, Jackman can customize the Donald for all audiences, persuasions and parties. With the distinction of being one of the only impersonators photographed with the real Trump (and getting the Donald's thumbs up), he continues to appear on television and news programs around the world, and perform at venues across America.
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Chase Geyser, one American podcast.
Dude, thanks for having me on.
It's uh it's a pleasure to be here with you.
Thanks for hanging out, man.
I saw you on uh Reed's podcast, Naturalist Capitalist with the Four Horsemen.
And I thought, man, I want to hang out with that guy.
I could tell he's hilarious, even though Ryan Dawson just talks over him.
Well, you know, I I I got I got pretty bombed there in that last four horsemen.
I just drank all day that day.
You know, I knew I had it was pretty irresponsible.
I was just coming off three months of uh not drinking at all.
I I set a uh goal to do 85 days without a drop of alcohol.
Uh you know, I'm Irish, so uh it's it's in the blood, man.
That the I was I was born with a beer in my mouth.
Instead of having my mom's breast smoke, you know, there was there was some Guinness that came out.
So um but yeah, no, the four horsemen has has been an amazing ride so far, no pun intended.
And um, we try to get on you know, pretty based people to be the fourth hurt horseman.
We haven't had a female yet, um, although I don't know, maybe Clinton might identify as a woman next week or something, you know, him and read him and read got a they got a whole thing going on.
Um I'm a little jealous.
I did with Reed where I dressed up like him.
Yeah, your name, you had your name, uh Creed Roverdale or something.
See D Roverdale.
But uh no, the the Four Horsemen has been awesome, man, and and I've seen a lot of growth in all my socials with it, and I want to thank anyone who's watching who's a fan of the show.
I want to thank you for checking it out and promoting it, and we're gonna keep doing it once a month.
You know, people want us to do more, but um, you know, I I think uh having it once a month builds up the anticipation, yeah.
You wanna have you know less is more with that because we go over two hours sometimes and hit some topics that a lot of other people won't talk about.
But uh yeah, I appreciate that.
I can't believe that they um I don't know if you saw what I I kind of launched like a little baby campaign this weekend called uh hashtag you ban we block.
Um and like it sort of was inspired by um Ryan Dawson because it's like why the fuck do they block him?
I mean uh the dude's definitely he's definitely an edgy dude, but he's not like a he's not by any means a bigot.
Like kind of the quite the opposite, you know.
And um well, and I was just go ahead.
Oh, sorry, yeah.
No, he goes hard in the paint um against Israel and against Zionist interests, and um, he's very honest about things, kind of to a point where it's like just black and white, and that hurts people's feelings.
And um, you know, I can tell you a funny story how I had a live comedy show podcast all planned uh at a certain venue, and that venue cancelled my brother and I from performing there because they took issue with us having Ryan Dawson on our show before he's a guest.
Really?
Yeah.
Which venue was that?
Was it like a uh it was up here?
It was up, it was up here in New Hampshire.
Um, you know, it it's a small town area.
I don't I don't want to like drag him through the mud and fling shit at him.
But um the bottom line was we had the show booked, and this is a special we're putting out.
It's going through the second round of edits right now.
We hired a high-end professional film crew to come up and film it professionally.
We hired a sound team, so we had all that in place, and then uh two weeks before the show, the venue emailed my brother.
We don't know who it was, someone complained or someone took issue.
Uh went through our guest list.
We've been doing Jackman radio for six years.
I've had dozens of guests on.
I've had Ron Jeremy on, I've had fucking Roger Stone on, you know.
Uh just you name it, man.
Uh yeah.
Through the spectrum, you get it.
You get it with your guests.
So uh someone took issue and complained and said, Yeah, we have a problem with this Ryan Dawson guy.
We went on his website, uh, antineoconreport.com.
We saw Confederate flags, we saw him worshiping the unibomber.
Uh he's a Holocaust denier.
You know, X, Y, and Z, the tropes, the tropes and the spheres.
No, I am not.
Okay.
I don't know.
Is Ryan one?
No, well, that's see, so that's that's the bullshit uh brush brush strokes that he's painted with because he's a a historian and he's a researcher, and he talks about shit that is uh third rail kind of stuff.
And I don't I don't know a lot about you know what what he's looked into with World War II history.
He has talked about the access perspective of World War II.
Like why did the Japan bomb uh why did Japan bomb Pearl Harbor?
Um, you know, the civilian.
I don't think anybody even really says that that they shouldn't have today.
Well, sure, yeah, sure.
Like, of course they bombed us, they needed oil.
Like we were blocking off their oil supply.
They were cutting off their energy supply, and it was a military target, of course.
And that doesn't mean you're siding with the Japanese when they bombed you because they bombed the biggest.
Right.
So Ryan is is uh a stickler for all that stuff on all sides of the conflict, and when you talk about some of that shit, you get into hot water.
Um, but aside from that, um, you know, he's from the South.
He's big into Southern history in the Confederacy and researching it and talking about it and educating people on it, and it's a perspective a lot of people uh just don't know about, they're not familiar with, and they just see a flag, they see a Confederate flag and they automatically think hate, uh racism and all the above.
And I would never fly a Confederate flag.
I don't believe in the Confederacy, uh, I don't promote it or anything like that.
Ryan is free to do whatever the fuck he wants, he's free to say whatever he wants.
Uh, you know, that I don't lose sleep over that.
But they saw that and um took issue with it and banned us from performing there.
So we had two weeks to scramble to find a new venue, come up with a new sound crew, and uh it sucked.
People had already bought tickets.
But anyways, we put it.
Sold it at the local synagogue.
Right.
No, we did it, we did it at a uh the jet a Legion, a place called the Jaffrey Legion, which is kind of a rough and tumble old school kind of I don't know if you've ever hung out at a Legion or a VFW much.
Well, I'm I'm a Freemason, so I know what those guys are like.
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So we pulled it off.
Forty people came out to see us, the audience had a great time.
We talked about a lot of cool shit, a lot of real shit, and uh we're in the pro the team's editing it right now, and we're gonna put it out in our YouTube channel on Jack and Radio as a special called Jackman Radio Live from the Legion.
So I'll be sure to send you the link, Jason.
I'd love to get your review on it.
Oh, yeah, I'll promote that, no problem.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
And um uh it's now you and your your brother are you guys are twins, and you guys perform together a lot, or do you guys have your own independent thing that you do?
Yeah, so we're twin brothers.
I'm two minutes older.
I always hold that over him.
Um and yeah, we're gonna be 35 this October and just our whole lives.
We've always been performers, we've done Shakespeare, um, stand-up comedy, filming skits, and it really started as kids.
We discovered we had this ability to mimic our family members at holiday parties and make fun of them.
So that was like our first captive audience.
We didn't do impressions of our aunts and uncles, our grandparents.
I mean, my my dad's family and my dad were all originally from Newfoundland, Canada.
So my grandfather sounded like a pirate, something between like a drunken Irish sailor and a pirate.
And I was fascinated by his accent.
So that's kind of one of the first guys I ever impersonated because I grew up hearing my dad, my uncles impersonate him, saying, Barry, what the hell is wrong with you, but you're a near to well.
And I was just fascinated that a human sounded like that.
So that was like you impersonate your family first, and then at school we would impersonate our favorite teachers.
We would get their permission to go up in front of the whole school during talent shows and do their impressions in front of the whole school and all the staff, and it just people loved it and it went over well.
So that turned into making fun of politicians, impersonating politicians.
Um so impressions have always been part of our repertoire, and we're both big into politics um and acting and um performing, and we've had the Jack and Radio podcasts uh since 2015, and yeah, we do it all together.
That's awesome.
Yeah, it's it's been it's been an amazing.
So Roger.
Oh, Roger Stone.
I I I um answered one of his classified ads looking for a third, you know, for some for some cuck action for some swinging done in Florida.
Tattoos welcome.
Yeah, well, you know, he heard that I had a Lyndon Johnson tattoo on my back.
He's got Nixon, so we figured we'd figured we'd put the we'd put the two together.
Um, Roger Stone Had a book out the Clinton's War on Women leading up to the 2016 election.
And I was connected with his publicist who also represented Jesse Ventura, who I've had on my show a couple times.
Um so it was like basically a layup.
I just connected with him on on uh on Twitter.
This was before he was kicked off Twitter for calling uh Don Lemon a cocksucker, which was really based.
I don't know if you remember that.
I mean, I I think that he's a gay man, so yeah, yeah.
So what I think Roger Stone's wrong calling somebody gay for who's gay stone was.
Well, they're turning they're turning the frogs, they're turning the frogs gay, Chase.
If we're talking about Roger Stone Stone's rules, Stone's rules.
He got got kicked off Twitter for that.
Um, but before that, I I would DM with him on Twitter.
You know, I'm the original Goosefer, I'm the original.
Yeah.
Well, we we DM and then DP down in Florida.
We've been down to the Everglades down to Florida, we get some gators up our ass.
We'd uh you know, he's eat some jumbo shrimp down there, we'd stop off in New Orleans with James Carvel, eat some jambalaya.
Um but um yeah, Stone is an interesting guy.
We had him phone in and chatted with him for an hour, and the quote from that interview was I have it on good authority that Hillary Clinton has eaten more pussy than Bill.
And I was like, whoa.
Well, Ryan Dawson's cousin was gotta have something in common when you're fucking married.
Ryan Dawson's cousin was uh Hillary Clinton Secret Service detail, so he got some stories.
Tell me one.
Which blew my mind.
Oh, that that there were women coming and going all hours at the White House for crooked.
Yeah, basically you could sum it up.
We have some family friends that worked at some resorts or whatever in Florida, and allegedly there was just sort of women just yeah, I mean, who cares?
No one gives a shit who cares about it.
How do you keep that kind of a thing a secret?
Like you think that these hookers and shit would just be like talking about it, like whole thing.
Hey man, they had they had the job I had this weekend.
They had Epstein bottle up, dude, for how long they they they can keep shit quiet, they can keep shit quiet.
But um, yeah, so we've been doing Jackman Radio six years.
Roger Stone was a cool guest.
He phoned in.
I had Jesse Ventura call in, and then I actually did an in-person interview in New York City at a place called the Nighthawk Cinema in Brooklyn with Jesse Ventura for an hour.
One of the coolest days of my life.
Um I had an hour with him, could ask him anything I wanted.
You know, he doesn't screen any questions, just to freeform chat.
And then later that day I went to uh David Icke seminar in New York City.
So in the world, I personally think that dude's full of shit, but I would be fascinated to listen to him.
Oh, he's so anti-David Icke, you know.
Oh, well, you're open-minded, man.
He's he's a fast, he's a fascinating guy.
And um what I admire about David Icke is he's been saying the same shit for 30 years, and he was saying it in the wilderness when people were booing him, making fun of him, calling him a nutter.
Uh correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he believe that like the fucking spires and churches are like directing the energy during worship straight to the aliens and shit like that?
It could be shit all like that with like reptilian.
I don't know.
Yeah, he's he's in he's into all the reptilian stuff.
Um you know, where he loses me on a lot of that stuff, but where he doesn't lose me where he's right on is he was talking about elite pedophilia in the very early 90s.
And Ted Heath, who was prime minister of the United Kingdom um of Great Britain, uh, you know, serial pedophile, probably a child murderer, X, Y, and Z. David Icke had the balls to be a singular lone voice in the wilderness shouting about that, and he was ultimately proven right about it, among other things.
He talked about Jimmy Saville, who's a record breaking pedophile.
Um, so Ike has always had the balls to talk about.
Yeah, he's he's beyond the Guinness book.
But uh no, those were David Icke's words to me.
I I had David I I interviewed him last year, um, but the video got deleted from YouTube.
I'd have to find it.
It's memory hold.
I could find it for you.
But he said what they what'd they delete it for, just like like uh slander or libel and just like making accusations.
Yeah, it's just X, Y, and Z, all the same shit they say about Ryan Dawson.
But um no, you know, David Icke was an interesting guy to talk to.
So, you know, I get this the feeling about you, Chase, is that you you talk to people and you you don't necessarily agree with them on stuff or on everything, but you're open to having a dialogue and having an exchange and having a conversation.
So that's really been the the point of Jackman Radio, why I have the podcast and why I've had on the various guests that I've had on.
It's just a lot of fun, and I enjoy doing it, and people have really enjoyed listening.
Yeah, well, that's awesome.
And And yeah, like you said, you know, with this show, um, I try to have it's hard to get diverse people on because a lot of like super leftists don't want to come on because my shit tends to be like stereotypically right wing.
But I hang out with like libertarians almost more than anything, and I'm not really a libertarian.
I believe like in more government than libertarians, but I'm close, and I'm much closer to a libertarian than I am probably a Republican.
But you know, it's but I want to hang out because damn, like if libertarians are republicans work together, it would make a hell of a lot of sense because there's a lot of common road before that forks, you know.
Like we're there's a there's a lot of work we could get done together before our disagreements would even matter, you know.
Yeah, well, I think the big picture stuff, most Americans are on board, but what happens is there's just so much gasoline put on these stupid cultural issues and um shit that doesn't ultimately matter and and divides us and distracts us,
uh angers us and and keeps us you know taking our eye off the prize, which is that there are not only our country, but our world is run by gangsters and and by criminals, and um they systematically use the laws, the courts, uh the criminal justice system, the prisons, uh the media, the everything to fuck over the rest of us.
There's a set of laws for the super wealthy and the elite, and then there's the rest of us.
So if you kind of have that as your launch point and your starting point, you can find common ground with pretty much anybody.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's uh that's a really good point.
I also think that you're familiar with the movie Billy Madison, of course, right?
Adam Santa.
It's been years since I've seen it, but um that Veronica and he's gonna be a good thing.
That Veronica Vaughn is one fine piece of the city.
Believe me I know from experience.
Sanders like nah.
Is that the last Chris Farley movie?
No, I think uh almost the the w the Western Adventure one.
Um I didn't see that.
What the hell was it called?
I saw the Beverly Hills ninja.
Beverly Hills Ninja with Robin Shue from Mortal Kombat.
That was a good one.
But um I'm gonna look it up right now.
That Billy Madison was later though, for sure.
Jamie Jamie, can you Google this for us, please?
Chris Farley.
Look that shit up, Jamie.
We need our own almost heroes.
Almost heroes.
I never saw that.
1998, aside from an unbilled cameo and the Norm McDonald vehicle dirty work.
Chris Farley's last movie credit is the Western comedy Almost Heroes with Matthew Perry.
Oh.
And I saw it a hundred years ago.
I I it it probably warrants a rewatch.
The reason I brought up Billy Madison is I think that you and your brother should do a version of parent trap similar to Billy Madison, where you go you're like adults and you're forced to go to camp because you never went to camp when you were kids or something.
You realize that you're fucking brothers.
Wouldn't that be hysterical?
I bet Hollywood would fucking do that with you guys.
There's so a lot of ideas and original stuff that they might just go for it.
They might just go for it.
That's funny.
I don't know, man.
You should write it up and send it in.
Yeah, send them send them the uh the treatment, see what they think.
Fuck yeah.
Yeah, you can basically use the same script, just get Disney to do it.
Yeah, yeah, everything's boiler point.
Get Disney to do it, but uh also don't be critical of China.
Don't uh don't say anything bad about the Chinese.
What if you had the whole thing set in China?
That'd be pretty easy.
You guys were the you guys were the only white guys at the summer camp, you know?
Well, it's not a summer camp, it's it's it's a Uyghur camp.
We have it set outside of a Uyghur camp and it's a parent trap but only at a Uyghur camp.
And uh it's also a Nike factory and a Martha Stewart, Martha Stewart clothing factory, and you know what else, Chase?
Which factory for my beautiful daughter Ivanka, who if she wasn't my daughter, we'd probably be dating.
It's a factory for her handbags, the new Ivanka Trump Uyghur limited Uyghur series made out of the skin of Uyghur dissidents.
Okay.
These things retail for five hundred dollars, Chase.
And they're that they're the nicest, smoothest bags that you've ever seen.
Believe me, they are.
They are puts the lotion on its skin, bro.
Puts the lotion on its skin.
Man, I was watching um uh the Donald Trump two-minute clip.
I think I posted it on my Twitter a couple of days ago of him just bashing Rosie.
It's the funniest shit I've ever seen in my entire life.
It's everything.
It's uh it's how I fell in love with him in 2006.
The uh crux of it was Rosie made fun of him on the view, she flipped her hair.
I think you sent it to me, didn't you?
Did you send it to you when I posted it?
I sent it to you just to kind of give you some background and maybe a little psychology And into why I am the way I am.
Um, what would compel me to actually, as a grown man, dress up like Donald Trump and go out in public like that?
You know, that it's psychologists and uh shrinks could probably make a lot of money putting me on their couch.
But um, yeah, Rosie made fun of him because he one of his beauty pageant contestants was like acting up and partying.
She was a young girl.
So Trump had like a press conference to say everybody deserves a second chance.
We're gonna get her back in there, we're not gonna kick her out.
She could compete for the crown, okay?
She's a talented young lady.
So Rosie like swished her hair and made fun of him.
And it was actually really funny.
It was a good impression, you know.
She did the mouth, and Trump obviously sorry.
So Trump summoned entertainment tonight's cameras to his office at Trump Tower and proceeded to go on one of the greatest uh two-minute takedown tracks like in the history of all time.
It's cut so perfectly, too.
Oh, the cutting, the lighting, he's you know, he's kind of a sophomore there.
He's like a young Auburn Fox.
He was about 60 years old.
He's like, Well, Rosie O'Donnell's disgusting.
I mean, you look at her, you take a look, she's a slob, she she talks like a truck driver.
Rosie got mad at me and attacked me because I had to congratulate her on the failure of her magazine.
Her magazine called Rosie, which was a disaster, and everybody was suing her as a result.
And you know, Barbara Walters is probably paying a very big price for putting her on the view.
I mean, if I were Barbara, I'd fire Rosie.
I'd look at right in that big fat ugly face of hers and I'd say, 'Rosie, you're fired.
But uh, you know, look, and yeah, you know, Chase, I'll probably sue Rosie.
I think it'd be fun.
I'd like to do it.
Would he ever end up doing it?
No, no, no.
I'd like to take some money out of those fat ass pockets.
And Rosie is someone who's very lucky to have her girlfriend.
And she better be careful.
I'll send over one of my friends to come pick up your girlfriend.
You know, he'll send someone.
Why would anybody stay with Rosie if they had if they could be with anybody else?
Why would you be with Rosie if you had the choice to be with somebody else?
And I'm just like, I'm looking, I'm looking at this, Chase, and I'm like, dude, Donald Trump's a fucking maniac.
He's a madman.
He's billionaire, reality TV clown developer, and he's taking time out of his day to have entertainment tonight, come up to his office.
This is how pity, like like the just pithy this guy is.
I fucking love it.
So I was I was hooked, I was hooked on him from then.
This was 06, like my freshman year of college.
So my brother and I were doing that impression nonstop during the holidays at family holiday parties in the car with our parents.
Well, and he was much less controversial back then.
He was pretty much universally loved.
Oh, the rappers puts wrote songs about him and his money.
He had cameos in all big movies.
Everybody story, too.
I mean, he lost his ass in the early 90s.
Oh, he was he was in the whole uh personally like a billion dollars, and 70 banks in the area bailed him out, said Trump's better alive to us than dead.
So they consolidated the debt and they they they guaranteed his debt and they bailed his ass out.
It's called I'm smart, Chase.
It's called being smart, okay.
Well, not he's not wrong when he says that.
I mean, yeah, he got lucky he got bailed out, but not everybody could just pull that off.
It's only because he developed his brand for himself.
That was even plausible.
The brand had the it had staying power and had uh universal recognition.
But um, oh yeah, yeah, he was he was just uh a funny uh page six tabloid clown that uh everyone just got a kick out of and the other elites, um long established elites just tolerate him because Terry Black's barbecue, Terry Black's barbecue.
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Um but yeah, you know, the other elites, he he he was always at the party with the other elites, but he was always there pissing in the pool.
You know, he kind of was off script and he didn't behave nice.
I never took a drink like my brother died of alcoholism, Fred Jr., he was a really nice guy.
He wasn't a killer like I was, but he died of alcoholism, and it was really sad, Chase.
But I never took a drink.
I never took a drink.
You know, I actually believe him when he says that.
Do you think he's just full of shit?
There's stories of him just sipping on a micelobe all night, like if he was ever gonna have something, he would just do that.
But yeah, Trump Trump does doesn't strike me as a boozer.
He's he was addicted to it.
Yeah, he was he's addicted to money acquisition, pussy, uh probably Adderall, and uh Big Max.
That's what Trump's addicted to.
And Winnie, we're gonna win we're gonna win.
Oh yeah, give me all the addies.
We're gonna win so much, Chase, that you're gonna get tired of winning, but not really, okay.
But uh yeah, he's he's the sensation, and um it's it's amazing that every day for the rest of her miserable life, Hillary Clinton has to wake up knowing that he denied her the presidency.
So we can always take solace in that, no matter where you fall.
Well, you know, and really the only person that could have beat him is Joe Biden.
I mean, with that amount of energy and just zest, and you know, zeal, frankly.
It's like it's like, yeah, you know, of course it was Joe.
Listen here, Chase.
President Biden.
I'm from a place called Scran.
You ever heard of it?
It's a tough neighborhood.
It's in the section of Amtrak, Pennsylvania.
Okay.
Scran's a tough place.
That's where I grew up.
So when you think about kitchen table issues, bread and butter issues.
Your mom wondering if she's gonna pay her medical bills or eat dinner that night.
That's what I want you to think of.
And then Pantine ProV.
I like all the young girls to wear Pantine Provis so I can smell it.
But uh yeah, I know it's horrible.
It's horrifying watching those videos.
But um Chase, Chase, are you is that V05 or Pantine ProVie you're wearing?
God damn, I could hurt I could smell it.
I could smell it from here, Chase.
God damn it.
I'm so proud of my son Hunter.
He's the smartest man I know.
He's been sober for twenty he's been sober twenty-eight hours, god love him.
God, he's never been more of an asshole.
Yeah, no, he's an art dealer now.
But uh yeah, the Biden's pretty good though.
The Biden thing, you know, Biden is just a regional warlord from Delaware and a gangster, and he's been in the game over half a century.
So they got him in there, man.
He's in his I feel like every town he's in, he says he's from that town.
Like I know he was born in Scranton, but like not he's from Delaware.
I don't know.
Anytime he goes to a blue car town, I'm from this town.
God damn it, I was a coal miner here in Juneau, Alaska in the 40s during the gold rush.
All right.
He's so old, he's not even a boomer.
He's from the silent generation.
He's so old, he could remember when Hitler died.
He's like Charlie Chaplin era.
Yeah, he sure he is.
Jesus Christ, 1960.
He's almost that guy was born.
He's almost eighty.
Yeah, he's almost I met Biden a bunch of times.
I first met him in 06, and he was a hell of a lot sharper than the uh potato that he is now.
Yeah, I don't think that he used to be stupid.
I mean, I I always hated him and disagreed with him, but I would never describe him as a dumbass.
No, no, no.
Wow.
Biden was a fucking killer, man.
That guy was that guy was sharp as attack and uh murderer, man.
I mean, his his family Ryan Dawson has the goods in all the Biden's.
He's got the Biden crime family documentary, you know, for example, talks about Biden's brother being in uh getting contracts to rebuild Iraq after we destroyed him, uh, based on a war of lies that Biden did nothing to stop or even put debate forth in the Senate when he was chairman of the uh voted for it, I think, didn't he?
Oh, he totally voted for it.
He helped Bush make it a reality.
So and then his brother gets a nice million dollar contract millions of dollars to uh rebuild and be part of the grift.
So yeah, Biden's just another gangster, man, and they're trying to paint him as a humble old man who's just gonna build back better, bring the country back from the brink of fascism.
Well, think about it, man.
Like what what do uh senators and reps, what do they make?
Like 175 the House of Reps and maybe 200 for the to be a senator or something.
Yeah, you're gonna if you're gonna do that job, which is probably one of the shittiest jobs ever, like how what you have to go through to consistently get re-elected, who you have to deal with, what you have to put your family through.
I mean, there are a lot of other jobs you can make that kind of money for that are much less difficult and and stressful.
So, in order to make it worth it, I think these people just do all this shitty stuff, like you know, use insider information to make stock bets.
They they do these, you know, behind closed doors, you know, cigar room deals where it's like, all right, you know, we'll go to Iraq, but then you know, my my brother-in-law gets a contract to rebuild all the schools or whatever.
And that's like that's the only reason it's worth it, is because like no one would ever do that job just for 175 grand and a good conscience.
Well, yeah, no, absolutely.
I mean, the fact of actually the matter of even doing any work, none of them do any work, man.
The most of them are just high planes grifters who get down there at the behest of corporations.
They're basically whores um and mouthpieces for corporate interests, uh, or wall street, insurance companies, big farm, whatever.
Take your pick man of the the big dogs in town, and politicians more times than not are just their little street walking prostitutes.
And uh Jesse Ventura always had a great thing they should wear NASCAR jackets, Chase.
They should have a Nashcar jacket that says Pfizer right here, Halliburton right here, Exxon right here.
That's so true.
Wall Street right here, beer sterns, Goldman Sachs, Goldman ball sacks, gold Golden Ball sacks on Lindsay Graham's nose, Arab goggles.
Lindsay, you know, Lindsay Graham chase.
I I love me going on them aircraft carriers out in the Gulf.
Because them boys need Suntan lotion in last Senate budget.
I appropriated a hundred million dollars in Suntan lotion.
So I could personally go on that aircraft carry and rub it on their buttocks.
I love that.
I love them boys out there in the desert.
It's gonna take boots on the ground in Syria Chase.
I wish there was another way, but there isn't.
Lindsay Graham, and it's in it's like his whole fucking neck is just moving while he's talking, you know.
Oh, he's like a Charlie McCarthy doll.
Yeah.
Yeah, I used to be a rooster.
Gobble gobble gobble.
I'm uh I'm a I'm gonna get to the White House and my sister gonna serve as first lady, John McCain gonna be my be my wife.
He's gonna be my first husband.
I'm gonna I'm gonna dig up his body and we'll put it up there.
He's gonna be in the Oval Office with me.
He's gonna he's gonna do a good job.
Yeah, well, at McCain's funeral, and they they gave instead of giving the folded flag to Cindy McCain, they gave it to Lindsay Graham, you know.
I didn't know that.
Is that true?
No, I just made that up.
It's believable.
It's just the kind of thing that would happen, man.
Look, I was I was the power bottom for Senator McCain.
He was the decent man for so many years.
We were just appropriating so much money to kill people and armed terrorists over there.
I never liked what I never liked what Trump said about McCain, you know, the famous like, hey, you know, I don't like I like people who don't get caught.
I thought that was a line.
I like I like people who weren't captured, excuse me.
Yeah, yeah, but at the same time, like I don't think John McCain was exactly a war hero.
I mean, the dude gave away Intel under duress.
Well, I mean, war hero, man.
That's just a matter of perspective.
It's a matter of how you view the war machine, it's a a matter of how you view and ask the question.
Why was he flying a uh fighter jet over in Vietnam and that country, dropping bombs on fucking poor people in rice patties?
So, you know, the other side of that coin, the person who shot his fucking jet down was a hero, you know.
Right.
And I'm not saying one way or the other.
I mean, I don't I don't like war being glorified.
I don't like death um on that scale being glorified.
So you know, maybe we disagree, and I I got a kick out of it when fucking Trump did all that with Frank Lunz.
I like excuse me, he's not a war hero, okay?
I like people who weren't captured.
And here's Trump friggin' had daddy get a doctor to write a note for him saying he had bone spurs so he didn't have to go serve in Vietnam.
Yeah, and he still won.
When that happened, people were like, Trump's done.
He just dragged a war hero through the mud.
He's it's over.
And then like his poll numbers kept going up.
It was fucking incredible.
Well, that was the thing about Trump that was so amazing, is he never branded himself as this like perfect person.
So whenever trash came out against him, it was like yes, so like everybody like when the stormy Daniels gang came out, everyone's like, of course he did.
Like, you know, he didn't brand himself like Romney.
If Romney would have had a stormy Daniels story, that would have been the end of Romney, you know, but because he's this perfect Mormon dude.
But everybody knows that Trump is just like you know, a porn star banging trap dodging billionaire, like he's the porn star big Mac president, man, and the people ate it up and seemingly with each scandal, dude, that would have broke uh any other campaign, he just got stronger and more powerful and sucked more.
Amazing.
Dude, he's a fucking legend.
We're not worthy, man.
We are not worthy.
And and uh I'm you know, dude.
You're a libertarian though, right?
So you probably threw in like a Johnson or a Jorgensen, huh?
Um, so 2012.
Um 2012.
No, I know.
I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm building it.
Excuse me, excuse me, Chase.
If you're if you would stop being if you would stop being fake news and listen for a goddess.
You're not very good at your job, are you?
No.
Uh 2012, I worked for Gary Johnson during his Republican primary run here in New Hampshire.
And um, yeah, big big J. Big J puffed Daddy Johnson.
And um, he dropped out, you know, it was it was just abysmal.
It was horrible.
They they didn't put him in the debates, they just fucked him over.
What is Aleppo?
And then when he dropped out, all of us Gary Johnson guys endorsed Ron Paul, and then I worked on Ron Paul's campaign here in New Hampshire.
We came in second behind Mitt Romney in 2012.
Ron Paul.
24% of the vote.
Yeah, Ron Ron's the greatest.
And um and the Fed, man.
And the Fed.
Great book, great book.
Yep, good book.
Um, so in 16, um I voted for Trump in the primary during the primary.
So I was I was a Rand Paul guy during the 2016 primary, and um he sucked.
He sucked it.
I've never made fun of your appearance, and believe me, there's plenty of material.
You know, look at your hair is pretty ugly there, Randy.
There's a lot I could say about it, but I won't.
But boy, you're having a tough time, and I gave you a lot of money.
Yeah, that was he really cut he cut Rand down to size.
No, um Red handled it like a champ, though.
He just laughed.
He was like, Here you're at um no, so yeah, Rand Paul was my guy, my brother and I endorsed him.
We wrote a letter to the editor.
We I did some phone banking for him.
We had a couple of events here we went to, but he flamed out.
So that leaves us like, well, I was gonna vote for John Kasich or Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz.
I wanted to keep the Trump thing going, because in my mind, I'm like, okay, he he he could last for a while in this primary.
Ultimately, he's not going to be the nominee, and Hillary Clinton's gonna be the next president.
So I figured my my vote here in New Hampshire.
I mean, he was already he was a juggernaut here in New Hampshire during the 16th primary.
He just absolutely owned the state.
He got over a hundred thousand votes in the primary.
And um I'm like, yeah, I have my Trump impression that I do of him, and uh I'm getting a lot of gigs and I'm staying busy, so let's let's just keep riding this till the wheels fall off.
Right.
So just just as kind of a I was pretty nihilistic at that point.
I was disillusioned with the whole thing, so it was just kind of like, yep, let's vote for Trump.
And then he won, and then he won the nomination, and I was like, holy shit.
Fuck this is off the rails.
But my general election vote for 16 did go to Gary Johnson.
Yeah.
What about uh 20?
I voted for him in 16.
Uh 2020, so obviously you know I was a big Tulsi guy.
Um I can't talk about Tulsi without just immediately remarking how hot she is.
And I know that's like inappropriate and unprofessional, but I don't give a fucking.
So cliche, Chase.
How dare you podcast?
She's totally a fox.
I don't care how much I disagree with her.
She's still foxy as hell.
Well, I mean, I made a funny joke.
Um, I was at a candidate thing um at a library here in New Hampshire, and each can't each democratic primary campaign had a representative that would speak for five minutes, make the pitch for their candidate, and then answer any questions.
So when I went up there, you know, I had all my Tulsi gear and um was there to persuade people to support her or just talk about why I was supporting her.
And I started I started out with a joke.
I'm like, well, you know, we uh we're we're the campaign that uh we're not we're not as good looking as uh John Delaney, but you know, I think we're a close second.
That's why we have giant billboards of our candidate here in New Hampshire.
And I got I got some left.
Or no, maybe I said we're we're not as good looking as Liz Warren.
I think that's what I said.
Yeah, Pocahontas.
Yeah, which who we we call her grandma oatmeal.
Uh Jason Bermis.
Yeah, Jason Bermis came up with that nickname Grandma Oatmeal, which is a great nickname for.
But I said, Yeah, we we we don't have the best looking candidate like like Warren, but we're I think we're a close second.
That's what we have our giant billboards.
You know, just some bullshit to cut the tension and like you guys should not take this all so seriously, you know.
But um, no, uh yeah, people well, I know politics is image and and looks are important, but it it's it's really at the core of who Tulsi is and what she represents, is which is why I supported her and why I urged people to uh donate to her campaign and vote for and support her.
Uh, because she was talking about real serious shit, man, that no one else in the race would would even touch.
And she she could get up in front of a national debate stage with 60 million people watching in prime time and smoke everybody and get covered for it.
This is great with Jocko on Joe Rogan's podcast.
Oh, her she's been on Jocko's podcast too, and yeah, her appearance with him on Rogan was was awesome.
But um, no, Tulsi's a she's a badass man.
She's she's sharp, man, she knows her stuff.
She has foreign policy cred.
Um, you know, obviously serving in the military, she understands it inside and out, serving in Iraq as a combat veteran.
So she just there's so many things about her that made made her really legit, and someone who I truly looked at who could walk into the Oval Office and and with integrity, with knowledge and with the credibility, be in charge, be the commander in chief.
So that's the thing.
That's the thing for me with in Tulsi.
The reason I liked her is because even though I don't agree with she has a Democrat, like a gen like a Democrat in the traditional sense, she's a genuine Democrat, not like a leftist, not a you know, a progressive, not a community.
Kind of like this kind of like this guy, JFK.
Exactly, whom I named my daughter after Kennedy.
And so really, Oh, that's awesome, man.
Nice.
And um and that's what I liked about her.
But the thing is, like, I don't I don't have to agree with everything the Canada sport says, but I do have to believe that they actually believe it, right?
So like when Joe Biden speaks, it's like I know it's special interest through him, right?
Hillary Clinton, same thing.
Countless politicians, same thing.
But you know, I think that's one of the reasons that people like Bernie, though I think Bernie is bought and paid for.
People supported him because they genuinely believed that he wasn't.
You know, and he came off he was basically the the socialist version of Ron Paul version of Ron Paul, the same people that vote for Ron Paul vote for Bernie even though they're opposites.
But it's hey, look, this is this guy that you know he actually bel means what he says, you know, and with Tulsi, I respected her for that.
No, absolutely, yeah.
She she does uh believe what she says and and she walks the walk with it, and we had a really diverse um selection of people and voters show up to our town hall.
She did over 200 events here in New Hampshire over the course of a year, and um I'd introduced her at quite a few of them, and you would have our military veterans, you would have libertarians, um real progressives, anti-war people, moderate people, and then just you know, people who liked how poised she was and and how dignified she was and and um her presence.
So I think uh, you know, she's got a bright future.
I don't think we've heard the last from her and um Brandy Love 2024, Brandy Love 2024.
Oh god.
Yeah, dude.
So you go from uh I'm honored, you go from having Anthony Schaefer on of the DIA to Brandy Love to Eric Jackman.
I mean, I'm I'm in good company here, I think.
Man, I hang out with whoever I think would be fun to hang out with.
I obviously I hustle to try to get, you know, people with a big following on the show because that's how I grow.
But it that's not like that's not a you know a rule to have a hundred thousand people, you know.
And so basically if I think I can have a cool conversation with somebody, I'll have them on.
Like I've had one of my best friends on, and he's got 200 Twitter followers, Andrew Stern and he's like one of the funniest, smartest guys I've ever met.
And it's you know, if if you're not if you're not having good conversations, then what the fuck is the point?
Like the whole reason I started this podcast is so I can hang out with interesting people, you know, got lonely this year.
It was it was a rough 18 months.
Um I agree with you 100% on that.
I've had close friends um on my podcast who some uh some of them might not even have social media, but so to your point, let's have a cool conversation and uh talk about interesting things.
Uh one of my favorite guests is my friend Tony, a guy named Tony Ruscion, he owns a homestead farm with his wife in Massachusetts and has his own uh homestead shop.
I actually went there yesterday and bought some stuff I got to visit for the first time.
But he's a dude I've known uh since we were kids, probably 14 or 15.
We grew up playing youth hockey together.
And uh, you know, we were teammates, we were buddies, and then we were in college together for a little bit, and then we kind of had a falling out over religion.
We got into a stupid Facebook argument.
Because he's hyper religious or because you are he was hyper religious and part of a really controlling closed-off culty type church.
And um I didn't know that about him until I saw it on Facebook, and I was like, holy shit, man, what happened to him?
And at this point, I was trying to be an edgy heels dug in edge-lord uh atheist, like in the mold of Sam Harris, Richard Dog.
Well, I mean, I've I've I've been an atheist as long as I can remember.
But um, so this is like I you know, would just I I've matured a lot.
I've done I've done a 180 on a lot of it.
Um I'm still an atheist, I don't believe in God, but I'm very, very much more accommodating now for religious people and respectful, and I don't argue about religion with people anymore.
Um, we're all free to believe what we want to believe, what we don't want to believe.
Um I ask you about atheism, or do you not want to talk about it?
Oh, dude, I'm totally open to talk about it.
So I am uh I consider myself a Christian, but I think probably 99% of Christians would not consider me a Christian.
Okay.
So I'm like a Jordan Peterson Christian, so I don't believe in like any of the supernatural stuff, but I still you like the cultural aspects of the faith.
Yeah, I study the Bible and I and I think the stories have almost divinely inspired like principles and value.
Yeah, from like a Jordan Peterson intellectual sense.
And I believe in God in like a deist sense, but I'm I'm not like stuck on Yahweh.
You know what I mean?
I'm not stuck on like a specific, I just believe in like higher power, you know, and then that's like that's where I stop.
So I I would never consider myself an atheist, but I'm also not like somebody who like claims to believe that that they know everything there is to know about God or the nature of God.
You know, like I tell people that I believe in God but you know all I know about God is that he exists or all I believe about God is that he exists or it exists.
And that's like where it ends.
And so I I wonder if like atheists like sometimes sometimes I feel like atheists say that they don't believe in God and what they really mean is that they just don't believe in Yahweh.
Yeah well uh I don't believe um so I have no proof I I'm not saying I I can't say one way or the other 100% there is or isn't but my leaning is towards that that there are there is no thing up in the sky what there's no sky daddy watching us 247 that should be dictating morality and telling us how we ought to live and um what our existence should should be predicated upon.
And, you know, I view it through the lens of seeing how incredibly destructive organized religion has been for humanity and has been for the globe when looking at it through tribal lenses and all the conflicts that have sprung up over it, the continuing conflict with Israel and Palestine.
You know, I come from a background of a Boston Irish Catholic family.
So both my parents had to go to my dad was in Catholic school for a bit.
You know, he got beat up by nuns.
That's not your fault.
none your business uh you know my mom lived in a Catholic orphanage for a year so you know you can imagine man what that was like for them as young kids and Boston was the epicenter there of really when the story broke with the Catholic church of all the abuse the spotlight type stuff so I very much came up in that tradition being very um weary of organized religion and what it how abusive it was to children and and how we control people's lives and I'm not into shame I'm not into fear and guilt and dogma.
So I always kind of had had that and and you know my dad kept us away from religion he's uh as children you know he didn't he didn't want us to go to church didn't force us and he said when you guys are of a certain age you can then decide if you want religion if you want faith if you want to believe in God you you should decide for yourself I'm not gonna put a label on you and and call you some denomination or make you adhere to some kind of dogma.
So I'll always appreciate him for that but um I'm I'm far man from the in my twenties you know I would want to argue with people and be nasty and i I just don't see the point in arguing about it with people anymore.
I I think you can be a great person uh who is religious and you could be a great person who's not religious and I know people I agree I know people in both camps man I can I have some very close friends who are hardcore evangelical Christians and while we have a lot of disagreements man overall I really like them and respect them as people and they show me that same respect.
I'm really worried, though, about what some of the radical evangelicals, the harm that they might be doing to sort of the Republican Party or just right wingism in general.
Yeah.
it's like all right you know come on like are are we doing more harm than good when we do stuff like this and I understand if you know people don't want a porn star to be like a role model for their kid but I'm telling you right now nobody becomes a porn star because they went to a fucking TP USA conference and a porn star was a VIP guest.
Like oh like I think I'll try that like that's that's not how that works you know so I don't know and and like I I got a ton of hate comments for having her on the show and people are like you know if my 15 year old son was there, you know, and I didn't want him exposed to that I'm like trust me your 15 year old son is watching porn like you fucking me like how how old are you Chase?
I'm 30.
Okay so I'm 35 in October.
It was hard for us to score porn when we were kids man.
You had to Yeah it was we had to download it forever it was still I'm talking about I'm talking about magazines bro like I'm all I'm OG old school like I don't in school we we would yeah we would steal our dad's porn bags and then trade him at school I'm October too I'm talking about oh October 10th 1986.
Scorpio but uh I I I don't know about any of that I don't know about any of that stuff.
But um I don't believe it but I know about it well we they got these phones now and you can friggin access donkey shows in Bulgaria if you want if you're into that sort of thing.
But um yeah it's it's stupid man.
Something that purports to um extol the virtues of freedom and freedom of association and free to live your authentic life and be who you want to be to then throw her out of an event like that is just very hypocritical and I think immature and silly at the end of the day.
Well, and they had they had James Lindsay as a speaker, and James Lindsay literally wrote a book about atheism.
I mean, as an atheist, he wrote a book about atheism called Everything You Know About Got God is Wrong.
And I like James Lindsay.
I follow James Lindsay.
He's fucking great.
I think he was a good speaker, but it's like, why are you kicking Brandy Love out for being immoral and then you're having an atheist speak?
Like wouldn't you rather have your kid watch porn than become an atheist if you're you know a dogmatic evangelical?
I'm pretty sure not living in God is way a way quicker path to hell in your mind than you know watching a little porn.
Hey, if you believe in God, God created boobs and we should enjoy big boobs like Brandy loves boobs.
That's how I feel.
I I apply that argument to uh to drugs in marijuana.
If if you believe in God, he created drugs in marijuana, so smoke up and enjoy it, right?
Yeah, I guess.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I you know, I have mixed feelings about the whole drug thing.
I don't I don't smoke pot because every time I do I get really depressed.
I don't know what your experience is with that, but I'm like one of those guys that gets I have like an existential crisis.
And maybe I'm doing too much.
But when I was a kid, I used to be able to do it and have a great time, and then I like once I reached a certain age, I started like having anxiety issues when I do it.
Yep.
Yeah, my twenties I enjoyed marijuana much more.
But now that like the stigma is melting away from it, and it's pretty much widely available and legal, and you can get it in all forms.
Uh I don't enjoy it anymore, and I very rarely will do it.
Um if I'm around friends who have it and I've had a few pops and they just hand me a joint or a bowl, I'll take a hit out of it.
But other than that, man, I'm in my twenties I did it much more.
But um you ever done shrimps?
Um uh oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I enjoy mushrooms.
Uh I've done them probably I don't know, half a dozen times in my life, and they were all really good experiences and um have helped me help me deal with uh trauma.
Um shit.
Have you done them?
Twice.
Yeah, I did straight psilocybin extra extract to get it on the dark web.
And um and um uh it is um it was an amazing experience.
I don't feel the need to ever do it again, but I just wanted to understand what it was like.
I was um at the time I was really interested in the John Hopkins studies, so it was like an intellectual exercise.
It wasn't something I did with friends.
Like I hired a hired a therapist to come over to my house and sit with me and do anything crazy, and I did this thing in the middle of the day.
You know, very responsible.
Yeah, yeah.
And I did a lot of research and it was cool.
Yes, I did too, man.
Set in setting.
I did a lot of homework before I I took them and researched them and understand the power of them.
And it's not a party drug, man.
You're not taking this to fucking party and go on spring break, man.
It's very simple.
Sure.
Well, I guess to each their own.
Whatever they want to use it for, you can do as you please.
But I'm very much with you on that.
That I was looking for something introspective here.
I was looking for something deep.
I was looking to work on myself.
Um, and then the the trauma I speak of is I lost my father to brain cancer.
He died, uh it was a five five-month process.
Thanks.
It was a uh uh was I 30?
I turned 30.
Yeah, I was 30 when he died.
Um it's the same, it's the same brain cancer that Joe Biden's son died from, Ted Kennedy and John McCain.
It's called glioblastoma.
And um, yeah, he was diagnosed with it and they gave him five months and he lived five months.
So I had done much.
His um his vision was starting to get blurry and he was kind of slurring a little bit.
We thought maybe at first he'd had a stroke, so we took a sticker on that side of his brain.
Fucking yeah, just so where it was on his brain, it was kind of causing half of his body to shut down basically and like lose mobility in it, and he was kind of tripping and his balance was thrown off, so we're like, yeah, you gotta go to the hospital, get this checked out.
And they did, and they saw something on his brain, and then we had to bring him to a uh Dartmouth Hitchcock here in New Hampshire, which is a bigger, more evolved facility, and they ran all the tests and they said, Yeah, there's there's uh it's it's not good.
So it was uh you know, it's the most traumatic thing I've ever dealt with in my life, and it's gonna be a good one.
Oh my god, if I didn't have my brother and my family, my dad has seven siblings who are all still alive.
He was one of eight, so um, they were all there for it.
Man, my sister, everyone pulled through in a big way, my friends.
But um, so I took some time after he passed away.
I knew that I wanted to do mushrooms again to kind of help me process his death and just get to a point where you have to live with it every day and accept that he's gone and go about your life and not stop growing as a human being after this life changing event.
So um I did him I did him again uh you know with a couple of close people and it was it was a great experience, man.
I released I released a lot of the sadness and the despair over it.
And um, you know, I lived on the base of a beautiful mountain here in New Hampshire, world famous mountain called Mount Manadnock, and it was just a glorious uh summer day, and the three of us sat out in the field all day, ate a bunch of mushrooms, listened to tunes, and just uh laughed, and there were tears, and uh it was it is a beautiful experience.
So I personally, you know, recommended if you're gonna be responsible about it and talk to your doctor, talk to your doctor.
Talk to your doctor, it's not FDA approved.
Do do uh homework and research into it before you do it.
And and having a guide, Chase, I think that's that's a great idea.
Don't do it alone, especially the first time.
Bringing in someone who's an expert who can help you on your journey is a fantastic idea in a safe environment where there's not other people around.
I can't do it with a bunch of people around.
I only can do it with like especially strangers, you'll freak out.
God, no, I need to be in control of who's coming and who's going.
Um, but yeah, if for me personally, it was worth it, and I'll probably do them again at some point.
But um, they they definitely helped, man.
And um the side effects, uh I think the benefits outweigh any kind of side effects.
Yeah, I mean, it's not something to be done like every weekend, but you know, every several years or something, or when it happens.
You're so tired, man, and and just uh sucked of all your energy and everything the next day.
I mean, one time I did them, the side effect was my stomach hurt from laughing, just laughing for seven hours, laughing to the point of tears at how absurd the whole our whole deal was and how small we are and the whole scope of it.
So yeah, you you go through all the range of emotions, but uh I'm gonna go.
So when I did them, I was sitting in my apartment and I was looking at the wall.
And of course, looking at like a blank wall can be actually pretty entertaining when you're on shrooms because you're hallucinating and seeing patterns and shit.
And I saw this like it was almost like um like like watercolor or ink, you know, just like this drawing being drawn on my wall.
It took maybe I don't know what felt like five minutes for it to be drawn, and just watching it being drawn, and at the end I'm like, what the fuck is that?
And the next day when I'm not on shrooms, I started like googling, trying to figure out if it was like something that existed, the drawing I saw, and it was the Zoroastrian symbol for Spirit Guide, which I had never seen.
Oh wow.
Interesting.
So I don't know, like if I like had seen it before and it was in my subconscious or subconsciously buried.
Right.
Or if or if it was my spirit guide just like fucking with me, you know.
I I'm not superstitious, so I'm like really reluctant to say like you know, I had this spiritual experience where I touched the other side, but at the same time, you know, it's like you know, it was really cool experience to have that happen.
It definitely threw me for a loop.
I think next time I'll do them, I'll I'll try to have an easel board or something and I'll paint Brandy Loves Boobs or something.
I think that would be just come out.
Man, no matter how hard you try, I don't think you could get that perfect.
No.
She's sounded she's great, man.
She's such a sweet lady, too.
I feel really bad, like for what happened to her.
And you know, people are trying to say that she was exploiting that conference just for personal gain.
It's like she's worth like 10 million dollars.
She's ranked 10 on Pornhub.
Like, she wasn't there to get a couple of evangelical teenagers to be into her porn.
She was there because she's a fucking Republican and she wanted to hear the speakers, and it's just a shame.
Yeah, and she's an American citizen who should be free to do as she pleases.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, but yeah, no, that that's cool, man.
And um the stigma is is evaporating around psychedelics and shrooms as well because they're doing studies with veterans who have PTS from war.
Yes, you know.
And smokers, even.
Yes, quitting smoking, quitting booze, all that kind of stuff.
So I'm very encouraged by some D crim measures that have happened.
I believe it was out in Colorado where they decriminalized mushrooms in Denver, if I'm wrong.
I think you're right.
Might have been statewide.
Could it be statewide?
Yeah, I'd have to look more into that.
But um, I think that's a step in the right direction, and I believe just like any substance you decide to put in your body, research it, understand it, learn about it, and just be responsible with it.
Right.
Right, exactly.
Well, where can people find you, man?
Yeah, so uh my podcast is on Spotify, um, Podbean, iTunes, and Apple.
It's just Jackman Radio, two words.
Jackman, like Hugh Jackman Wolverine, and then Radio.
Um, and then I'm on Twitter um at Jackman Radio.
I got two accounts on Instagram.
One's my personal account, Senator Jackman.
Come say hi to me.
I'm on there all day.
And then uh Jackman Radio is uh an account on there.
And then we have a YouTube channel that is up and running and fine, and we're working towards getting that monetized.
We have the uh we have the following uh subscribers.
We have that, and we have the hours streamed, so we're just waiting for them to approve it.
It kind of takes Oh, congratulations.
That'll take a few days.
Take it can take a while.
Yeah, yeah.
So, you know, we're working on building that up.
Um, we've been working on it, and um yeah, I'm on there, and then I have a Patreon account.
If people like what we do and want to support us, we just ask people for five bucks a month, and uh, you know, the money for that is used to like put on that special that we did hiring a film crew, hiring a sound crew, and we have a studio up here.
Um our producer built a recording studio in his basement at his house, really, really beautiful sound studio.
And we want to fly guests out, you know, if possible, start doing that.
So any support uh we could get from people, we appreciate it.
And uh yeah, we're on all the socials.
Well, that's awesome, man.
Thank you so much for coming on the show.
I appreciate it.
And you're always welcome here, and let's definitely stay in touch, okay, man?
