Retired Col. Rob Maness | Area 51, 9/11, January 6, And Liberty In America | OAP #37
During his military service, Colonel Maness led numerous combat operations, including as a bomber squadron commander in Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom. Colonel Maness served as an enlisted bomb disposal technician in three assignments countering terrorism before being commissioned and selected for flight training. As a Joint Chiefs of Staff operations officer he was on duty in the National Military Command Center located within the Pentagon during the September 11, 2001 attack. In the ensuing months, he directly assisted the United States national security team with creating, synchronizing, and executing the campaign plan for the global war on terrorism. Colonel Maness authored the first theater nuclear war plan and designed decision-making tools for the Presidential nuclear decision handbook strengthening U.S. extended strategic deterrence policy in European and Pacific regions. Colonel Maness served as the Vice Commander of America’s largest Airborne Intelligence Wing conducting strategic and battlefield intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance operations against America’s enemies. He went on to command Kirtland Air Force Base, Albuquerque, NM, the sixth largest U.S. Air Force Base encompassing 53,000 acres and 22,000 employees, housing our nation’s most critical assets.
After running for the U.S. Senate, Rob founded GatorPAC, a Federal political action committee. The PAC educates grass roots political activists on the most effective ways to influence their elected officials, get a candidate elected, or to fight for a cause. It advocates for policies that protect your liberty, fight for limited government, and ensure prosperity. He is also a founding board member at the Military Advocacy Project of Louisiana, Inc., a veteran’s advocacy group committed to preventing veteran suicides and ensuring military families have equal access to benefits. He has served as a non-voting board member of the Albuquerque Chamber of Commerce and Hispano Chamber of Commerce in his role as Commander of Kirtland AFB. As president of his local chapter of the Military Officers Association of America, he led a team that created an annual scholarship fund for graduating high school students. Rob is a Life Member of the NRA, Veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion, Disabled American Veterans, and the Military Officers Association of America. He is also a member of the Louisiana Military Order of Foreign Wars and the Society of the Sons of the Revolution. Active in the community, Rob served as an elected member of the Republican Party Executive Committee representing St. Tammany Parish Council District 1 for two terms and served on the board of the only Republican Men’s Club in Louisiana.
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Thank you so much for coming on.
I appreciate you.
Oh, yeah.
Hey, I'm honored that you would uh ask me.
I like that thought.
Man, I gotta talk to this guy.
Well, what do you want to talk about, brother?
Man, I want to talk about let me uh just pull up your bio.
I want to talk about your 30 32 years in the United States Air Force as a combat vet.
I want to talk about um what it means to be a wing commander for nuclear ops.
And I want to know about I want to hear the story about what it was like on 9-11 as a Pentagon survivor.
I mean, your whole life's been an adventure.
Um I'm still if Homer were around today, he would have added you to the Odyssey.
Yeah, and the bio doesn't even talk about my childhood.
My dad was in the Air Force, and uh uh he he worked uh up until I was about 12, I think.
And uh he worked in in uh what's called black programs today back in those days.
They cut him loose officially from the Air Force and signed a contract with another organization that that uh uh is called the company.
Uh and uh they would send them all over the world working for the company and civilian clothes uh and everything, taking care of uh U-2 airplanes, spy planes at the time, and uh SR7.
What years would that have been that he would have served then?
Uh he started uh in the early 50s and retired, I think in 1973.
Uh, but he drug us all around the earth too, including uh uh uh one tour up at a place called Dreamland, uh 51 is what civilians refer to that area as.
And uh uh we didn't live there, but he worked up there.
Uh we lived out in Las Vegas.
Was he a believer?
Not necessarily an area 51, but generally was he a believer.
He never spoke I'm not a fed, I promise my my dad, my dad never spoke specifics to me about what he did, but but he had a book uh signed by the author.
The title of the book is called Operation Overflight, and the author's name is Francis Gary Powers.
Uh you may recognize the name.
Most people today probably don't.
He was the U2 pilot that was shot down over the Soviet Union uh and then put on trial and all that.
Gary Powers my dad worked in that unit uh with him and uh uh all the guys that supported powers uh got a book signed by him, and my dad left me that in his will.
So that's the only thing specific that he ever said because he was under you know very non big non-disclosure agreements.
So what's all of his life until the day he died?
Operation Overflight is about the story of the U-2 uh and how President Eisenhower and uh uh and the uh what place called the Skunk Works uh got started.
The Skunkworks is out in Palmedale, California.
It's where they built the U2, the SR-71, and all these other great technologies uh that you see flying around courtesy to the United States of America these days.
And uh tells that story and power story about getting shot down and what his experiences were in a Soviet prison as a political prisoner, uh the show trials and those kind of things.
So people ought to read the book today because you'll see uh some similarities in the show trial part about what's happening with the political prisoners from January 6, 2021 in the United States.
And uh, and I'm not being funny.
I'm very very upset that have to say that with a serious face.
Uh because uh what's going on in our country uh is uh is not right.
A lot of us have sacrificed our lives and my friends uh matter of fact, I'm co-authoring a book uh about a guy that I used to work for that died in an aircraft crash.
Uh spoke to his widow today, as a matter of fact, uh uh to talk about the book and uh people have sacrificed too much for this bullshit to go on.
Yeah, how many how many is it that have been in prison since January 6th since upwards of the city?
I think it's no I think it's a little Over 500, and what's really troubling is that some of them have not been charged with any matter of fact, most of them have not been charged with any violent crimes, and they've been held without bail in solitary confinement in places like the DC jail.
And we're getting some strange stories from family members uh uh from the prisoners who were they're getting abused and those kind of things.
And that's really like stuff like that.
That uh threats to put them in general population with the hardcore criminals, uh, those kind of things.
These are people like you and me, really, honestly.
Right.
Well, so what do you what are your thoughts then on about what happened on January 6th?
Because uh, you know, you may be more well versed in it than I am having spoken to these families, but my sort of take on what happened is that it was just you know, there obviously there was some FBI involvement.
We know that from the uh reporting that's just come out.
But it seems to me that it was just some enthusiastic protesters that got a little carried away.
Definitely there were some laws that were broken, it seems.
But you know, this this notion of you know arresting people for walking in if they're being let in, which at some entrances they obviously were being let in, and you see the security footage of them staying within the velvet ropes, and it's like, all right, do we really need to you know have these people locked up for six months before a trial?
Like they're not a flight risk.
Yeah.
There was definitely some riot activity, uh, no doubt about it.
Uh, but I think overall the uh the patriotic Americans that were there to first support the president at his speech, and and then the ones that did go up there and got it either got enticed to go inside, were let in by the police force, uh, or or whatever, uh, were or encouraged by provocateurs.
Uh, we know one Antifa BLM provocateur was there, and we have him on video encouraging people to break into the Capitol, his name's John Earl Sullivan.
I I've reported on it.
Right there in Babley shot, right?
He was right there.
Um a young guy, uh a young independent reporter named Taylor Hanson was standing right there.
I've had Taylor on my show.
You can go back and find that episode.
It's a it's a very uh compelling story.
He was standing right there with you know, next to Sullivan uh and Babbitt when she was killed.
So, you know, it's uh uh so to get back to your question though, uh what do I think?
What I think was there was definitely a riot there.
Uh I don't think there was any intent to riot on the part of the folks that are being charged with like conspiracy and it's definitely not an insurrection.
No one's been charged with sedition or insurrection at all.
Uh uh most people, uh like I said, most of the 500 or so have not been charged with anything violent.
They're mostly misdemeanors, some some minor felonies, uh those kind of things.
And it's just appalling that we're holding political prisoners and and we shouldn't be doing that in this country.
Uh especially at the same time when we need that credibility to be calling out the communist government in Cuba for arresting its protesters that really are yearning to be free.
Uh uh, but we don't have the credibility that we used to have because we're doing the same thing.
We really are doing the same thing.
That that's what the intent of the response is to is to chill uh the patriotic Americans to keep us from speaking out and opposing the regime, which uh many people believe is illegitimate, and and there are some good facts and data that support that opinion and support that view.
Uh, but the you know, the regime media, and I call it the regime media like a couple other folks do because that's really the best description of it.
The regime media like CNN and uh even Fox News in many cases, uh continues to say it was an insurrection.
They continue to say that it that uh five people died due to the insurrection.
Only person that died was the murder of Ashley Babbitt by a Capitol police officer.
Uh uh I think his last name is Byrd, and I don't know why the FBI investigation cleared him, because uh I was uh you mentioned I was a wing commander uh uh for my last assignment and a vice wing commander two assignments before that.
So I've run operational wings and and been responsible for large law enforcement operations, over 450 people.
My last one was was four security force squadrons.
Uh so I have I've had my own jails and those kind of things.
And your rules of engagement and policy for use of legal force, even on a U.S. military base, are very well defined.
And there's a very well-defined set of conditions that we make our folks and train our folks to uh to reate respond with deadly force like that.
And I know of no rule of engagement or policy in the uh in the Capitol security business that says that you shoot an unarmed protester just because they're coming through a broken window and a door into a certain location.
There are no locations uh inside the Capitol that I'm aware of that allow for the use of deadly force for an unarmed protester wrapped in an American.
Do you think the man that shot her was just spooked and made made a bad call?
I don't know, but he made a bad call, and that's why I questioned why the FBI has cleared him that he didn't make a bad call.
He definitely made a bad call.
She was unarmed.
There were four uh tactic police team members within arm's reach of her.
Uh he was not communicating as far as I know.
We don't know.
Uh actually, it doesn't look like he was communicating.
Uh, and he just decided he was going to shoot her and stop what was going on right there.
That's just not the way we're supposed to do things in the United States of America.
That's what happens in Cuba.
You know, China, those kind of places.
So what do you think the uh what do you think the ultimate outcome after uh of all this January 6th stuff is gonna be?
I mean, do you just think that these 500 people are gonna be charged due time, you know, several months or eight.
I know that one of the first convictions was eight months for gentlemen that was there.
Yeah, and then that case I hope that case goes to the Supreme Court for under the inhumane punishment because it was uh hopefully they don't wait eight months to hear it.
Well, you know, he'll probably he'll probably serve the time.
Uh uh, but uh, you know, we have this thing in the United States of America, and it's incodified in the constitution now after the civil war, and slavery was abolished that you know, it's called equal treatment under the law.
And uh in this country, uh what I'm concerned about whether will be the final outcome of this incident, is that the narrative of the insurrection uh will be used to develop a war plan to go against domestic terrorists, but the definition of those domestic terrorists and extremists uh under uh uh in this case the Biden administration is gonna be their political opponents that are that are very outspoken, like me and uh and other folks.
Uh uh and you see that when they got the first opportunity uh to go after folks, they're going after them full board.
The DOJ is very very upfront about that, and the uh uh and the uh prosecuting attorneys are very upfront about it.
They called it shocking awe.
Uh well, you know, that's one thing to try to make sure we have a stable society and everything, but we have a right to abolish this government if they're not doing their job, and their job is to protect our freedom.
It's right there in the Declaration of Independence that created the United States of America.
Uh and uh and and we have a right to abolish this government, we have a right to go protest, and uh we have a right to peacefully assemble and air our grievances to the United States of America, uh, and that includes that Capitol building, and shame on Nancy Pelosi and the Department of Defense for making a fortress out of that place for no reason because they had no intelligence to support that.
So that's what I'm concerned about is that we will have an unequal justice system in the as the outcome of this, and you're seeing it developed right now with the with the first sentence eight months for this for a guy that walked into the building, for goodness sake.
There was no negative, no previous history of a crime, no no uh no violence involved in the criminal charges that were put on the guy, and and he was kept in solitary confinement confinement.
That's how they probably got the the uh guilty plea out of him uh was by the same.
The Tucker segment last night with Mark, uh, I think Ibrahim or Ibrahim, I don't know how to pronounce it.
Um but you know, he's he's he's being charged, and one of the charges is leaning on a monument.
And I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, who the hell got charged with leaning on a monument for you know, like burning down the guard house of the White House or all the other vandalism that we saw throughout, you know, from BLM throughout in George Floyd Programming.
Yeah, you remember you remember early June?
You remember early June when the the White House was attacked so aggressively that the Secret Service moved the president to the bunker below the White House?
Do you know how unusual?
Yeah, do you know uh you know how unusual of a step that is?
Uh look, I you mentioned Mike.
Was anyone charged?
Uh no, no one was charged.
Uh not that I'm aware of, no one was charged.
That was an insurrection.
That was an insurrection.
Uh and uh and there were there were fire bombs found uh books the crowd.
So that wasn't armed with real weapons, not just flagpoles and sticks uh and those kind of things, which is what Nancy Pelosi and her her uh minions keep saying were the weapons were flagpoles with the American flag on them.
But to get back to uh the the president, you know, I worked in nuclear operations as a wing commander too.
Uh but uh but as a major I worked uh well it was in uh my wing command job ended in when I retired in 2011, so we're not talking that long ago.
Uh we still have lots of nuclear weapons and a nuclear mission and those kind of things.
Um but before that in 2000 uh 20 uh 99 to 2002, I worked on the joint staff in the Pentagon working for the chairman, you know who the chairman is now, Crazy Billy, uh who we can talk about too.
I've got a I've got a video editorial going out tonight again about him and what he calls white rage.
I'm curious as to what the heck that is.
Uh any white any angry white person.
Well, I think you did that.
We get into that too.
But but as part of my job, I worked in nuclear operations on the joint staff.
Our job was to maintain what's called the black book.
The official name for it is the the chairman of the joint chiefs nuclear decision handbook, which is the the it's what's in the football that makes the president the commander-in-chief of a nuclear force.
Okay, it's the nuclear, it's called the black book.
And uh, you know, uh our team, the team that I was part of, uh was responsible for writing plans into the book, taking them out, maintaining it, making sure the the operational forces were ready to go.
You know, we were we were responsible for all that.
So I know how important it is when they moved the president of the United States to the bunker.
That's a major move.
And and the Secret Service was very, very concerned.
And nobody was charged with sedition or insurrection.
Matter of fact, nobody was charged with anything.
Maybe it wasn't nice.
I mean, do they have like take five bars down there and like hot towels?
Government housing is not nice.
Wow.
So Trump must have been really pissed because he's accustomed to like gold-plated toys.
Well, I haven't been there since he I've been to the White House uh when he was in the White House.
I uh I didn't have a meeting in there once.
And it was nice, but it's still a government building, you know.
Uh but you meet the president?
Uh uh, I've met the president a couple times, yeah.
What was it like to meet him?
Uh he's interesting guy, interesting guy.
Yeah.
I'm not asking for like an endorsement or a condemnation.
I just like it for like as a human being.
Like, what is it like to meet somebody that you know is you know like the most powerful one of the most powerful people in the world?
Yes.
Uh you know, I mean, the the last time I met him, he was very gracious and kind and uh those kind of things, you know.
Uh if I had one critique for the president, uh I've said it openly many, many times is is personnel is policy, Mr. President.
And if you ever get back in, please put America first loyal patriots to the Constitution on your staff instead of people that are devoted to big government, because there's a difference between being devoted to big government, even if you've worn the uniform all your life.
Uh if you're devoted to big government, then that's why you see some of the problems that he had with personnel and leaks and those kind of things.
All of that was related to his personnel policies.
And uh, you know, some people that were closer to a lot much closer to him than I am, don't think they were listened to very well.
And uh that that's what I would say to him.
Uh but I think his policies were right on.
I ran for the U.S. Senate in 2014, and if I'd known the phrase America first was gonna be used by him, I'd have used it too because the policies I've run on were the same ones that he won on in 2016, and I ran in 2014 uh in Louisiana, I guess Mary Landry and Bill Cassidy, the Republican that won that eventually voted to convict Donald Trump last January, unfortunately.
Sounds like it's time for him to run again.
Well, you know what?
Um as Jesse, you know who Jesse Kelly is?
Uh yeah, I do.
I was uh on the first right.
As Jesse Kelly has said, he ran for Congress.
He said, clearly I am out of step with the voters.
And uh as long as that conditions, uh yeah, and he is, and and and I and I believe I was too, because I was running on America first.
And until the voters are ready to fully embrace America first, I can't run for office uh again, but uh uh but we're here, and we will keep holding especially the right accountable uh for their major screw ups, which they tend to do every single day.
Yeah.
So I have to ask you a question just sort of as a tangent.
I didn't want to interrupt you earlier when you were talking about nuclear command.
But you remember in 2016, uh, you know, one of the big campaign um criticisms of Donald Trump is just hit the Clinton campaign was constantly like, can you imagine someone as reckless and unpredictable as Donald Trump having the nuclear codes?
And my question to you is is it really that easy for the president to just drop a nuke?
Can the president just be like, hey, we need a nuke right now, Iran right now and just do it?
Like is that how that works?
Well, he's gotta give the order and the order comes through.
Yeah, uh but can he make the order control system that includes the codes that he carries in his pocket on his but can he can he make the order without like any but any consensus?
Can he just unilaterally say we're nuke and I read right now?
Yeah.
Yeah, Congress gave him that authority during the cold war, and it's never been it's never been changed.
That's the problem with old policy, you know.
Uh you know, what about could he nuke uh Austin, Texas if he wanted to?
Seriously.
The President of the United States has total control over the nuclear forces of the United States.
Uh we have one person who's very capable of destroying the entire planet, like basically.
But but it but it but you know uh but the nukes would have to be retargeted to do something like attack a target within the United States.
Uh but it's not impossible.
It's not impossible.
Uh but there was a whole lot of links in that chain that would have to stay together for him to be able to successfully do that.
And we have a we have a nuclear command and control system that yes, the president has the codes and and the military aid that g is with him, all has all that information uh with him all the time and walks him through that.
And we train him and the vice president, anybody else that has a black book aid, uh, there's not just one.
Uh, because you know, what if the president died, uh, you know, and the vice president was somewhere else, like has happened several times, uh, where they've been separated and were under attack, you know.
So they have a like the vice president has a military aid and several others too that we won't go into here.
Uh, but it it it meets the succession requirements in the constitution and the law.
Anyway, yeah, uh it's possible, but it's very, very unlikely that he somebody could pull that off.
I'm much more uncomfortable with Joe Biden uh having the nuclear keys, so to speak, because if you watch his town hall the other night, then sometimes the man can't put a sentence together, and I don't know if that's his stutter.
I don't know, I'm not making fun of him.
I'm deadly serious.
Not his stutter because he had decades of speeches when he was a senator that were coherent.
Uh he's totally coherent ten years ago, even though Ryan's butt that debate.
But I don't know that for absolute sure.
So uh uh I'm not a doctor, but he scares the heck out of me as somebody that used to be involved in the nuclear command and control process at the highest level, uh, and making sure that it could go off precisely, accurately and effectively and reliably uh at a moment's notice, uh when the man can't talk.
And for if he were to I mean, we're more in more danger now than of an accidental nuclear strike inappropriately applied or an accidental military strike inappropriately and incorrectly apply it because of what comes out of the man's mouth than anything else.
And that that's I'm concerned about it.
I genuinely think.
Well, the military aides are trained to help, but it's still the president of the United States is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.
And when folks are under stress, you tend to go to your training, and your training when you're in a uniform is to follow the command the orders of the commander in chief.
Uh uh, even if you have a question, you should probably follow them and then ask the question later if it's a time-sensitive uh challenge that we're facing.
But you know, it's it's it's concerning.
That's concerning because I should it's not as stutter.
I've been watching Joe Biden and all those senator guys for a long time.
Uh uh and uh and they're uh he's out.
He he's mentally out.
I don't know where he's at, but he's been all that.
Yeah, that's sad.
That's sad.
Um, like I I've never been a Joe Biden fan ever since I've known who he was.
So really started paying attention to politics maybe right after I graduated high school, 2010.
Yeah.
I've got a friend that worked on his Senate staff.
Uh very nice guy.
Now, don't hate me, but the guy used to be a Democrat.
Uh I don't hate you.
We both hate our we we both don't like our political parties.
That's how I became friends with this gentleman, and he worked on on Mr. Biden's staff.
He said that Mr. Biden has always been a gentleman to him, uh and was a very nice guy.
I interacted with him twice as vice president.
He was always a gentleman, and and uh this the second time I interacted with him, I took him down a rope line of uh of folks.
He didn't do any do or say anything weird or unto war, he was very nice and gentlemanly and genuine, you know, genuinely interested in the folks that he was meeting and those kind of things.
So, you know, I can't I can't say that I don't know him, I haven't interacted with him.
So I think he I think he's like as a human being, I understand where he's coming from, although I vehemently disagree with I think almost every single policy the man is implementing now.
There may be some that I can agree with, but well, like the Afghanistan withdrawal, I definitely agree with that.
I don't like the way it's being handled, but uh I've been pushing for that for a long time.
Well, I you know, I'm not as knowledgeable about our international affairs as you are, and certainly not military stuff.
But my intuition is that if we're going to do these wars, we should do them quickly and win thoroughly.
And if we can't do that, then we shouldn't do it at all.
Well, it's expensive to be there for 20 years, you know.
You mentioned that I was in a penta you mentioned I was in the Pentagon on 9-11, so this is a good opportunity to segue into that discussion.
Yeah.
Uh a lot of people forget these days when we're having the debates about military troops being used uh in combat and peacetime, really around the world.
Uh uh that uh that with Afghanistan, we were attacked by the Al Qaeda terrorist organization that was given sanctuary by the Taliban who were the government of Afghanistan at the time.
So when we responded militarily, uh that part I could agree with after 9-11.
I was in the Pentagon on 9-11.
Uh, there is nothing like being in the what you think is the world's most powerful and penetrable military headquarters of the most powerful armed force in the history of mankind, and then uh come under attack like we were.
Uh and it was a strategic attack.
I mean, they turned those airplanes into cruise missiles, is what they did.
Uh and uh uh so uh and I also wasn't.
I was uh on the uh side of the building where Secretary Rumsfeld was, but I was internal.
He's his office was on the outside ring, so he got knocked out of his chair.
Uh but I was two rings in in the C ring.
So he's in the E-ring.
I was in the street.
You feel the floor shake and hear the loud noise and everything?
No, uh my office was inside what's called the National Military Command Center at the time.
It was the only place you you had where you had to go through a guard to get into uh that's totally different now.
But uh all we got was a whoosh through the environmental control system, and then the asbestos laden smoke uh came rushing in, and that's when we knew that uh that we'd been struck by something.
Sorry you had to experience that.
Well, I you know, I'm paid to do that.
My wife and kids though, uh and the family members of folks uh that were there and the kids at the daycare center right in the Pentagon parking lot, they're not paid to do that.
Those are the ones that I it just uh it still to this day hurts my heart that uh our families had to go through that kind of thing right here in the heart of the United States of America, and we spent all this blood treasure time resources to have a strong armed force, and then we we flub it because of an intelligence failure by the FBI, which I believe is now that I know what I know about January 6th and the Whitmer thing.
Uh I was suspecting it, but now I'm pretty sure they are a terrorist organization that are very similar to the what used to be called the East German Stasi, which was the East German version of the uh Gestapo.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
And that's that's hard for me to say because I know people that work in the FBI.
Yeah, well, I know good people that work in the FBI or have worked in the FBI.
So you know, it's just one of those things.
It's like it's not everybody within an organization is responsible for the sins of that organization, but there is a point where you have to draw a line and say, all right, am I willing to be a part of this?
And you know, I've got mixed feelings about Snowden too.
I've talked to a lot of people I respect, um, you know, who say that what he did was reckless, and you know, yeah, it it revealed our agents, and and then there's other people that are like, Well, you know, the guy's kind of a hero because he showed America that they're being spied on, even though America didn't seem to care at all.
So let's go to let's go to that for a second.
They revealed our agents.
Let's you ever heard of a guy named John Brennan?
Yes.
Former CIA director, right?
Well, before he was a CIA director, he was in charge of our human intelligence network in China in a place called China.
Uh, and under his direction, every one of our agents in China got rolled up and executed by the Chinese communists over there.
Totally unaware of.
I didn't know that.
Talk about losses of a human intelligence network.
That was uh uh, I want to say in the 2000s, early 2000s, maybe late 90s, those kind of things.
But we lost our entire human intelligence network in China.
That's one of the reasons why we don't have good information coming out of there is because they rolled them up.
And John Brennan was the guy in charge of making sure that network was secure at the time.
Uh so you can say what you want about Snowden.
I got, you know, my national security heart goes, damn it, why did he do that?
But but my American citizen liberty loving, you know, person who is the you know, eighth generation grandson of a guy that walked out of his county and volunteered for the Continental Army goes, man, this whole thing's always supposed to have been about liberty, and we even wrote it in the Constitution that my interpretation, my data, my papers, whatever words they use then, it's my data is safe and secure without a warrant, you know, unless there's a warrant issued under probable cause.
Uh and we're violating that every single day.
And I kind of appreciate Snowden for bringing that to light.
What I don't understand is why we don't have a good classified sector of classified information, uh whistleblower conduit that's secure enough to keep people like him safe.
You know, you saw you saw a little bit of uh of how the politicians use the whistleblower concept to keep people safe that they say are whistleblowers.
But we should have as good a system in the classified world uh of classified information as we do in in the the outside world, the uh the non-classified information world, and we don't, and and that's why I suspect that he did what he did, because he he he really didn't have any other recourse as a contractor if he was going to get reliably get the information out to uh so it could be seen.
And I'm very appreciative that we now know this because I was floored.
I really was.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, it was funny because you know, there was this recent controversy of Tucker Carlson's emails allegedly being you know monitored by the NSA.
I'm like Edward Snowden said that all of our emails are being monitored like 10 years ago and our webcams and you know, so it's like of course, of course, Tucker Carlson's information is like, you know, I don't know, actively being monitored by a human being, but it's definitely being you know captured and recorded.
So it's like, well, what would you say?
Yeah, this this will be captured and recorded, and there's a data center out in Utah that's fairly new that's where it's gonna be housed.
I'll tell you where it's housed.
Uh friend of mine, Chris Stewart's the congressman out there, and he fought to get that built in his district uh back before when things were semi-normal, you know, and that's what Congress people did instead of having to worry about your basic freedom every day.
Uh but now because of that, uh, you know, this just assume that any time you're on a phone on on a recording on the internet, that it's all being you just got to assume it's all being recorded.
And uh quite frankly, uh I've been assuming that for since I heard about Snowden for years.
Uh so uh, you know, and occasionally I'll even put a note uh or a uh clarification on some things that I tweet or post hey NSA, hey NSA, this is I I'm being rhetorical here, uh hiberbelly.
I'd say that uh if you want your government to listen to you, just email Tucker Carlson.
Yeah, well, here's the problem with what happened with Tucker.
And And this is not new either, James Rosenberg, uh, several other reports under the Obama administration.
Uh uh, a lot of folks have been treated this way.
Uh and it and the problem with what happened with Tucker is that you know they got Congress to agree to this stuff under the Patriot Act because they said we have these rules.
Uh, you know, and one of those rules is the unmasking rule for because this is all related to the foreign intelligence surveillance system.
The uh you you've heard it called the FISA warrant or the FISA court, secret court, those kind of things.
It's all related to that.
Uh, and if you're an American citizen, you're supposed to be remaining remained masked if you're in a conversation like he was in conversation, somebody was on his team was in conversations, if not him directly, probably him directly knowing him, he does things on his own, uh, trying to get Putin on his show.
Hey, if I had a show like Tucker Carlson, I'd be trying to get Putin on my show.
But I can't even try to get Putin on my show.
I can't get the phone numbers.
So anyway, so I downloaded Duolingo so I can talk language.
It's no surprise at all that he was collected on.
What's sure what's the illegal piece of it is somebody unmasked him with the intention, according to his source, uh, who you know is likely reliable.
Uh the source saw the email traffic within the system where they unmasked him and said, We're gonna get this guy.
That's the illegal part.
This is not the KGB, it's not the Stasi, it's not Communist Cuba or Venezuela.
This is the United States of America, and that's why I've I've run on and I will continue to advocate for the repeal of the Patriot Act while it may have been necessary in the district.
At the time, no, I was in the military, so I wasn't advocating or anything.
I was just focused on finding out who attacked us and going.
I understand, but were were you were you did you have per personal favorable sentiments toward the Patriot Act at the time?
I think it was it 2004 when that was passed.
I can't remember.
Well, no, it was 2001.
It was shortly.
It was one early right after 9-11.
So the passions were high and and concern was high too.
Uh and after the attack, I got put into a small team helping plan the war and find out who did this and those kind of things.
So uh I was very close to it.
And uh and no, I I don't like the Patriot Act.
I have never liked the Patriot Act.
Had I been public at the time, I would have been raising major concerns uh about the Patriot Act.
And since I've been out of the military and run for office, uh at each time I've run for offices, even at the state level, uh repealing the Patriot Act as soon as possible is one of my platform pillars.
Has to be.
Has to be.
It's wrong.
How come nobody tries to repeal it?
Is there ever a repeal bill brought forth?
Does Ray Paul every year do it and then it just doesn't pass?
Thomas Massey from Kentucky.
I think he's tried it.
Justin Amash.
You know, uh it's just uh unfortunately for the us regular citizens, the Republican Party has this misguided notion that that supporting this stuff is important for the national security of the United States.
Well, I'm here to tell you that you are uh you in the government, you are radicalizing Patriots.
I think the six thing, what you saw come out there just a little bit, uh, is uh is that radicalization starting to show itself.
Uh and I'm not talking about radicalizing as in being Nazis or socialists or any of that.
Those are already radicalized, by the way, by the left in this country.
I'm talking about people that believe in the declaration of independence of the constitution.
Uh they're they are becoming radicalized because they see that the people that we've elected in office are not doing their job.
And there's one job.
There's Uno Numero job of a U.S. Congressman uh or elected official is to protect our liberty.
It's right in the Constitution of the United States.
It's laid out as our values in the Declaration of Independence.
And is when that government stops doing that job, we have a inherent and inatable right to abolish it and reform another government.
And that is what is going on.
That's the kind of radicalization uh that I'm talking about.
Uh I'm not talking about going out and going to war.
I'm talking about through the legal channels, it is time to abolish the current government in the United States.
The unelected portion of it is out of control.
That's what we're talking about with the FISA issue, but it's Congress and the executive branch that have allowed that.
And the judicial branch.
The judicial branch that a lot of people forget that they allowed all this Russian FISA crap to happen.
And then when they discovered it, they didn't take any action to fix it and hold somebody accountable.
Not one person except for that one young attorney who didn't even get any jail time for faking the email saying that Carter Page was uh uh was not an asset when he was taking away Rudy Giuliani's license to practice law, and then they're not then they're not uh uh can charging the city.
Yeah, that guy still got really lies on a Pfizer warrant.
Um unbelievable.
And that's the kind of shit that radicalizes people.
That's the kind of shit that radicalizes people for lack of a sorry for my language, but no, but it's but it's but it's important.
Well, you know, I spent all my life in the military and was raised by uh uh my dad was a sergeant and a bunch of other sergeants.
I was enlisted at 17, so I have dads that were Air Force dads uh that were sergeants.
So you may hear a uh profanity come out of my mouth on occasion when I get pissed off.
People because that was all really happening when your dad was um working, right?
Well, when my dad was working his job after the one at uh Dreamland, Area 51, uh was in the deserts of Southern California, the Mojave Desert.
You know what's in the Mojave Desert, right?
Edwards Air Force Base, California.
So absolutely nothing.
Yeah.
Uh well, Edwards Air Force Base uh was uh has Murray Dry Lake on it, and that's where all the test pilots you if you ever watch the movie the right stuff, Panchos, happy by the way, club uh is out there at the end of one of the runways.
That's where all the test pilots went.
That's where they got their first astronauts.
So at the time I was a little kid there, I I was a brand new graduate of kindergarten out of Las Vegas, so I went to first and second grade and third grade, I think, at Edwards Air Force Base, where all the test pilots and the astronauts were hanging out.
Uh and uh I have sat in the X-15, which the astronauts like Neil Armstrong and those kind of guys flew.
Uh that's the one that they they would they would fly that up, right?
And then it would launch from like what, 30,000 feet or something or 40,000 feet?
Yeah, off of a B-52, and then it would go up into space and and they'd test controls and those kind of things.
That scene was that sane and the first man with Ryan Gosling.
Did you I don't know if you saw that movie, but that's in the very beginning of that movie was just so that's the X-15, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
That is the X-15.
Uh so I when I was a little kid, my dad was interacting with these people, so I know I met some of the astronauts, but I don't know exactly.
I don't have that kind of remembering right, but but I'm sat in their airplanes, I talked to them when I was a little kid, and that's where I got the bug to want to fly was there uh when I was five.
So yeah, it's uh you know, we were living that uh that scene in the uh in first spam where they're making sonic booms with the X-15.
We lived that my mom lost untold numbers of those little glass sculpture birds that used to buy on the side of the highway.
You know, you're too young to know this, but I think I know what you're talking about.
You would buy them every time, but they were from we were from Tennessee.
So every time my dad would drive us from California or Nevada to Tennessee home for Christmas or anything, we had to stop a couple times and get those glass, some of those glass things because they were always breaking them when they would break the sound barrier, the house would shake literally and knock stuff off.
Well part of Tennessee are you from?
I lived in Nashville for seven years.
Uh Madison County or Jackson, it's in between Memphis and Nashville.
No, yeah, yeah.
Tennessee's a beautiful state.
Um it is gorgeous.
I went there for college, but people don't people when you think about beautiful states, they like think of California, maybe Alaska, right?
But but but people underestimate how you know, I mean, like in terms of actual landscape.
And people underestimate how gorgeous Tennessee is.
I mean, I think it even made it into the I Have a Dream speech.
Didn't uh Martin Luther King say from like the mountains of Tennessee to the hills or whatever.
I can't remember the exact line, but yeah, it is a couple of big things.
Uh It's in the uh in the uh the the Lee Greenwood song.
Uh uh you know and but when you grow up around people that grew up around people like my grandparents and aunts and uncles my parents both come from like 12 kid families.
And uh you know they grew up on they grew up on the real David Crockett and Daniel Boone.
Okay.
Yeah.
Uh and uh and I grew up being around them all the time even though my dad was in a voltage he made sure he took us home and then when he got out I I finished school uh there in West Tennessee before I went in the Air Force.
So so you when you're growing up on Daniel Boone and David Crockett and uh and those kind of people and you re and you see that land you know you try my main family came from Robbins, North Carolina across the land of Tennessee and the Cumberland Gap and all that the same way Daniel Boone uh did and you see all that land that they crossed and where they settled uh they're in the western part of Tennessee and you realize no wonder this
country grew like it did.
It really didn't take politicians to buy land like Jefferson did the Louisiana Purchase and all that because it was going to happen.
It was going to happen.
And in those days, it's just incredible to listen to people that live through that and live with those folks.
And I got the opportunity to do that when I was growing up with my great grandparents and grandparents and those kind of things.
You know, there's nothing like being from the town where the Davy Crockett stood and gave his speech on the county courthouse when he got beat.
And Congress said, to hell with y'all.
I'm going to Texas.
I mean, that's where I'm from.
My family is from.
So we're very independent.
were very uh we love this country uh very much and uh and we love the fact that the United States of America is all about freedom and liberty and that it has evolved the way it has uh and and all of my family are very upset about what's going on since last summer with all this crazy race crap speaking of David Crockett did you ever join uh did you ever become a Freemason no but my father,
my brothers, my uncle all are I was just too busy in the military What's that?
I'm uh you're a Lewis that's uh the son of a Mason that never becomes a Mason.
That's funny because my mother's maiden name is a Lewis.
There you go.
There you go.
And my uncle, my uncle, before he passed away a couple of years ago, he was a, make sure I get this right.
He's a, he's like above a 33 degree, like way high out in New Mexico.
I don't know.
But he was, he kind of bugged me a little bit about it.
And then, then we moved again and I lost track and all that.
So yeah, I'll probably do that at some point.
never too late man but uh yeah let me know if you need a reference just put my name on the uh on the application and on they'll call me and I'll tell them you're a good now if I joined the Masons am I going to be part of that like crazy Illuminati thing?
No, that's hogwash baloney.
So the Illuminati was an Italian intellectual club.
And the original founders of the Illuminati were Masons, but it doesn't exist anymore.
Exactly.
Yeah, it's all hogwash.
The Freemasons are not about working against freedom in the United States.
No, in fact, they're probably single-handedly responsible, almost single-handedly responsible for the establishment of said freedom.
Absolutely.
That's why George Washington was wearing that apron when he set the cornerstone for the the Capitol wouldn't that's right and well all the all the Alamo guys were masons and I recently went to the Alamo and you know it was it was touching because there was like there's a small sort of subtle plaque from the local lodge there honoring the Masons who fell at the Alamo and I didn't realize but like all those guys not all of them but a lot a lot of the guys that fought at the Alamo were masons and they were like 26 years old you know or 27 or something like that.
So it's just funny because you know we now today people are are aren't even really thought of as an adult until they're like 30.
And then you know you look back to the Alan times it's sad I agree but when you look back to the Alamo times it's like these people are Are like, you know, giving their lives just for for for principles, like no personal gain, just for principle at the age of 26, 27, knowing they're gonna die fighting for two weeks.
And it's like, where is that in this generation?
You know, that's another concern.
You know, I'm I'm a big fan of the all-volunteer force.
That's the way we started under General Washington uh in the United States.
I don't like the draft and any of all that stuff.
Uh so my concern is that people like me are we're no longer recruiting.
You know, the all volunteer forces filled 75% from former officers and senior enlisted that recruited their family members, friends, and those kind of things.
Uh and I I talk to my friends every day.
I'm 59, and uh so I have a lot that are older ahead of me in the stream, uh, and a lot that are younger just now retired.
They're not gonna recruit anymore until we get some answers and get some uh get some action taken on removing people like this General Milley guy who thinks a white rage was responsible for January 6th when really is about patriotic patriotic radicalization in favor of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence is what it really was about.
And he needs to get his act together and get his uh and fire his uh his Bishop Garrison guy who's running his diversity and equity program.
By the way, if you ever hear a term called equity programs in a government institution, fight to get it abolished immediately because equity is equity is not what we're about.
We're about equality of opportunity in this country, uh, and and not about equality of outcomes because that leads to tyranny, equality of outcomes and government trying to enforce it.
Right.
Yeah, you need the best of the best doing the hardest, most important jobs.
And I'm with you on the draft thing.
It seems to me that like you know, a draft is only needed for foreign and unpopular wars.
Like when was that when else would you ever need a draft?
Like you don't need I know there was a draft for World War II, but everybody was dying to fight that war.
It's like nobody nobody fought because they were drafted.
You know, it was no idea.
Right.
Now, World War I, we had to have a draft because nobody wanted to go fight that stupid war.
And it really, if you go look back and do the research on World War One, we really should have never been involved in it, quite frankly.
And I don't know how we got involved, but I know there were a lot of alliances that we needed to honor, and it was like a chain reaction of secret alliances wasn't just the general kind of theory.
Pretty much, yeah.
Well, there were there were concerns about the same thing you hear from some people in the Republican Party that are today, well, we can't leave Afghanistan if we if we don't fight them over there, we're gonna fight them over here again.
Look what they did on 9-11 and those kind of things.
It was the same kind of conversation going on in World War One's lead up.
Uh and uh so there are a lot of folks that disagreed with World War I. World War II, totally different animal.
You didn't need a draft for that.
Vietnam, terrible decisions uh leading into that thing.
And we had a draft, uh, as a matter of fact, that's another plank from what I've run on as a political uh candidate, and that is to eliminate the selective service.
We spent too much money on it.
Uh we get now into arguments like what you get starting to see again is well, women need to sign up for it and those kind of things.
Well, let's just resolve the problem.
Some people have issues with that, uh, some people don't, but let's just resolve it.
Let's eliminate the selective service and save that money and maybe like like put that into programs that for improving literacy amongst poor kids.
You know, and I don't just mean that.
Imagine if there was a civil war poor kids.
Imagine if there's a civil war and you got drafted by the federal government to fight against American citizens.
Like well, that's a whole that's a whole different ball game.
That's a whole different ball game.
And you know, you you you can you'll hear me say that it might be coming, but you won't hear me advocate for that.
We killed 600,000 plus Americans in that war.
It's the bloodiest war we've ever fought in.
Uh and uh uh uh and none of us that have served that are especially on the right, like Kurt Schlichters or retired colonel, myself.
We yeah, we talk about we warn people that this is coming.
You know, it gets back to that patriotic rack radicalization idea that I was talking about.
Uh this is kind of we don't want this to happen, but eventually if you don't stop doing what you're doing, this will happen.
I mean, we we've studied this stuff, but we've spent our lives devoted to studying this stuff in the hopes of preventing those kinds of things.
Uh and uh but folks aren't they don't tend to be listening on either Side of the aisle, and they better start.
They better start.
So the last thing I want to ask you about before we uh depart because we're coming up on an hour and I want to be respectful of your time.
Is um what do you think about all the uh reports that have been released about UAPs?
The uh UAPs, unidentified aerial phenomena.
Well, you know, uh I don't know.
Did you ever see anything like that when you were in the Air Force?
I don't I don't know if you ever got the uh got this from my bio, but I was the commander of Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico.
Roswell Air Air Force Base was south of that several hundred miles.
Uh it's closed.
You know what Roswell is, right?
Where the spacecraft crash was and the little aliens, right?
According to the stories.
Yeah, the weather.
Yeah, uh well, uh I was I was called the the 21st century version of the Roswell commander at my base there, and I would do these town halls with the communities uh downtown.
And there was always this one uh uh lady that uh lived outside of the fence.
We had several mountain ranges on the base, and and the the fence line had houses, subdivisions outside of the fence.
She every time I had a town hall, she would come talk to me about the the uh silver footprints she was seeing at night uh going up the mountain.
And uh, you know, at uh I'm not gonna say that the folks that that have seen that took the HUD video, the heads-up display video from their aircraft, uh, are wrong.
I'm just gonna say that uh we see strange stuff when we're flying around the world at all hours of the day and night.
Uh and those are some strange some of the strangest things I've ever seen.
I've seen some of the videos.
Uh, but I flew for 25 years, and before that I was in bomb disposal as a young kid.
Uh so 30 almost 33 years of military service and uh uh 25 of it flying, and and believe me, I'd flown all over the world, uh poll to pole, all the way around at the middle, all hours of the day or night.
And I I can honestly say I never saw a UFO or UAB, whatever you guys UVA's.
What do you what do you call them now?
I think that politically cartoon is a UAP.
Uh unidentified aerial phenomena.
Phenomenon, yeah, that's it.
They're UFOs.
Go back and read Project Blue Book if you haven't ever read it.
Uh that's the Air Force project from the 1950s.
There's actually a TV show about it, I think.
Uh which was true to the book.
They took the reports right out of Project Blue Book on that television show.
And of course, it's always hard art stuff, but you can watch those programs and get an idea that some people have seen some things that are very strange and they're not identifiable.
Uh, but I tell you, if we had them and we had that technology, I wasn't aware of it.
And I was in in the highest security classified programs that you could think about.
Well, do you think a lot of this stuff is is perhaps foreign tech that we don't know what it is, and it's just stuff that we see that well.
We have a lot of things that you don't know about.
Yeah, so it could be depth.
Yeah, well, that's one.
And you have to uh and that means that we also have a lot of things that I don't know about.
Uh even if I was flying, yeah, we have things that I don't know about.
Uh we have things that those Navy pilots with that the heads-up display activity don't know about.
Uh so there's a possibility that there's any one of those things, but quite frankly, how could how can we not be not have neighbors somewhere in the universe?
Sure.
Sure.
I mean, come on, think about it.
It's gotta be too many too many opportunities.
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm not gonna poo-poo the idea, so to speak.
Uh uh, but I personally have not seen anything, and and I can't really talk about the silver footprints out at Albuquerque into my mountain cave complex.
Well, thank you so much for uh coming on the show.
Where can people find you?
You can find me at Rob Mainus on Twitter, R-O-B-M-A-N-E-S.
Go to my fan page on Facebook, it's at SymbolC O L Rob Mainus.
You can find me on Gab, Getter, uh uh Parlor still there, but it's not very good, I don't think.
But getters actually been pretty pretty good.
Uh and that's all at Rob Mainus.
If you type in at symbol Rob Mainness on any of those platforms, I'll come up.
Telegram.
Awesome.
Well, thank you, sir.
It was a pleasure to have you and honored to meet you.
Thank you for your service and for coming on the show.
And let's make an effort to stay in touch.
Oh, yeah, Chase, I'll have to get you on my show uh here this fall.
