One American - Chase Geiser - Tony Shaffer & Matt Couch Return To Talk Brandi Love & The Future For Republicans

July 21, 2021 - One American - Chase Geiser

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Tony Shaffer & Matt Couch Return To Talk Brandi Love & The Future For Republicans | OAP #36

Chase Geiser is joined by Tony Shaffer and Matt Couch.  In this episode we discuss everything from the future of the GOP to TPUSA's banning of Brandi Love from their recent event.

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unidentified		Not because they are easy, but because they are hard.
		Mr. Gorbachev, tears down this wall.
		A date which will live in infamy.
		I still have a dream.
		Good night.
		And good luck.
		Who's a Tony Schaefer?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Chase.
unidentified		Count the ballots on the highway.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Boy, tell me about it.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		It's like one Seals and Crofts song about a highway out in Arizona.
unidentified		I was born in the free highway.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Crazy stuff.
		You know, I was very skeptical of the election fraud stuff.
		You know, I thought that it was just kind of people like kind of wishful thinking, hoping, you know, everyone was sad that Trump lost.
		I was sad that Trump lost.
		And I was so skeptical about the election fraud stuff.
		And then we had the Fulton news this week.
		And then just that brief 12 seconds of that Arizona audit where he said that there were 74,243 or something like that ballots that they have no record of having sent out.
		And I was like, whoa.
		So my whole position on the fraud thing totally flipped this week.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad.
		So, Chase, I appreciate your being open-minded.
		I mean, that's one of the things I've said.
		It's like, you can be skeptical of what I say.
		Good.
		You should.
		But go check.
		Just go check.
		Just be open-minded enough to go do the research.
		And as you know, since last time we spoke, and I've gotten a lot of press on this because a guy named Bill, Bill McSwain has come forward and said very similar things.
		Yeah.
		And so I have not spoken to Bill.
		I have had zero contact with Bill or anybody who was directly involved in that episode of what was going on.
		So again, I understand people are skeptical.
		They should be.
		And they should be also just at least willing to allow for a review of everything.
		And if everybody is so confident that Biden got 81 million votes, they should be the first to say, oh, yeah, no, we're confident.
		Go look.
		You're not going to find anything.
		Unfortunately, I just don't see that coming from them right now.
unidentified		Right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You would think, and you know, it's funny because like on the one hand, you see that the left is incredibly critical of any sort of audit and they immediately cite that the audits, you know, are biased or, you know, anything they can do to undermine the integrity of the audits.
		But at the same time, they launched like a January 6th investigation committee that's stacked only full of Democrats.
		So it's like, like, what do you think?
		Like, what's that then?
		You know, and so I don't know.
		It's just, it's like, it's like having all of your exes, you know, responsible for defining your reputation.
		Like, it's obviously a conflict of interest.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it turns out one of my brothers, one of my exes works for leader McConville.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		So let's not go down that path.
unidentified		I don't want to talk.
		Oh, okay.
		Okay.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Sorry.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I didn't mean to bring it up.
unidentified		Just kidding.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I'm just kidding.
		No, I'm not kidding.
		I'm kidding, but I'm not.
		But just saying.
		So, you know.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, I couldn't believe, you know, did you see that tweet that he made that leader?
		And I don't know what your feelings are about McConnell.
		So I don't want to tread into territory you're uncomfortable with.
		But did you see that tweet there?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Chase, we agree.
		Everything is fair game.
		So feel free to ask.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think about that tweet that he posted the other day about, hey, everybody needs to get vaccinated.
		Otherwise, things are going to go back to the way they were last fall.
		I'm like, whoa, like I just need a vaccine if you want.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, let me be clear.
		I mean, I'm not a scientist.
		I'm not a doctor, but I do recognize that the first answer is always any health concerns, go to your doctor.
		Just go to your doctor.
		I think there's something called Obamacare that's, you know, everybody's supposed to be all medical insurance up now.
		So go use the Obamacare benefit and ask the dog.
		Really?
		Right?
		I mean, what's yeah.
		Secondly, the FDA, every variant of the COVID vaccine is not, it's still experimental.
		So I refused to take back in 2002 the anthrax, the anthrax vaccine before I deployed to Afghanistan because nobody was using anthrax.
		So it was kind of like, you know, I'm not anti-vax.
		It's just like, I don't need it.
		I'm not, you know, the chances of the Taliban developing an anthrax virus capability within the next six weeks is not going to happen.
		So I don't need it.
		Thank you.
		And so my belief is if you don't need something, don't take it.
		And in the case of the, and there were side effects with the anthrax virus that were notable.
		I mean, people were developing enlarged hearts and dying.
		As a matter of fact, a CIA friend of mine, her husband died from an enlarged heart from taking the anthrax vaccine.
		So I was very skeptical of that.
		And I'm skeptical now of the vaccine by the fact that there are some reports of things not going well.
		So I'm going to trust science.
		I'm going to let the FDA run its course until 22, 2022, the ends of trials.
		And unlike what Fauci says, it's not like, oh, it's just a minor technical issue.
		I can't believe a doctor of any credibility would say FDA trials are just a technicality.
		That's the first time I've ever heard of that.
		So let me ask you, Chase, why are they treating this vaccine so much differently than everything else we've ever seen come down the pike?
		We didn't see this with any other flu vaccine that's come down ever that I've seen in modern history.
		It's just like everybody is upset about getting everybody to poke on this.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe we should ask Professor Matt Couch.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing, Matt?
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Tony, how are you, sir?
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Good to see you.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		So I'm sure Matt's everything I just know each other.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have a big argument here, I'm sure.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		We're going to totally be on opposite sides of the spectrum here.
		No, it's amazing to me.
		I agree with everything you said, you know, Colonel.
		I agree with everything you said.
		It's amazing to me that the Biden administration, big tech, the mainstream media, the liberals, even some of the rhinos, they all are pushing this variant, but yet no one is complaining about the southern border being wide open.
		You could drive tanks through it, semi-trucks at all points, hundreds of thousands of people a week pouring across, unvetted, unvaccinated.
		No problem there.
		But you know what?
		Let's lock Americans down because this thing's dangerous.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It's insane.
		And to carry that point on, I've never considered this a left or right issue.
		And I actually don't.
		I've actually, I got a question last night by another interview regarding the military.
		Why is the military refusing to take the vaccine?
		Well, there's a couple of reasons.
		First, the military represents the healthiest demographic within our population, barring Olympic level athletes.
		They're very fit.
		I don't know if you've both been in the military or not, but if you're in the military, you have a physical fitness requirement.
		Every service has a certain level of test you take at least once a year to pass.
		If you don't pass, you get kicked out.
		So the military has very high standards.
		And one of the things I learned as a very young lieutenant is that the best defense against a biological agent, because back in the Cold War, we didn't know if the Russians would use a biological agent on us.
		The best defense against a biological agent is health.
		Be healthy, have a strong immune system.
		So the military guys are saying, hey, I got a strong immune system.
		I don't feel the need to take it.
		And secondly, regarding experimentation, a lot of people see the current status of the drug and don't take my comments as bad-mouthing Donald Trump.
		It's just this Operation Warp Speed.
		God bless them for pushing it hard.
		I want to see the clinical trials.
		I was about to say criminal trials, but that's Dr. Fauci and the whole issue of Wuhan.
		But just saying, just saying.
		But for the purposes of our discussion regarding the COVID vaccine, I want to see what results after a full year of study.
		I don't know why that's somehow revolutionary or radical and wanting that to happen.
		I don't know.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mentioned this on the show before myself, but I don't know if you guys know that I'm a type A hemophiliac, so I have a bleeding disorder, which is why I wasn't in the military.
		And I don't know if you guys remember what happened to all the hemophiliacs in the 80s, but the drug companies knew that the medicine for hemophilia was contaminated with hepatitis and HIV and didn't tell any of the families for years.
		And they infected over 10,000 hemophiliacs, including children, with HIV.
		And a lot of them died at AIDS, right?
		So this wouldn't be the first time that big pharma just sort of allowed for casualties to happen in the name of sort of selling a product or moving a product.
		And I don't know how the funding works for the vaccines.
		Like, I don't know if they're already bought and paid for.
		I don't know if they make more money the more that they're consumed.
		I don't know how that works.
		So I can't make a reasonable accusation that the only reason they're pushing the vaccines is because they're trying to make money off of them.
		That's where my head kind of goes.
		But Big Pharma doesn't seem to me particularly cares about health care so much as they do about the bottom line, which is, you know, that's fine.
		That's what business does.
		But you have to navigate that in a society so that the safety and health are the top priority rather than just whim.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		I mean, I think you have to look at insulin, for example.
		You look at chemotherapy treatments.
		I mean, there's no, the cost is obviously, I mean, I used to run, believe it or not, medical clinics back in the day as an administrator.
		I've had a strange career while always being in the media in some capacity.
		But, you know, a syringe used to be about 74 cents a piece.
		Now, this was, you know, I'm going back probably 10 years.
		You know, so we're giving 500 million doses to other countries.
		We can easily say that we've already just given $500 million for this thing just in those doses.
		And then you throw in whatever it costs to manufacture the vaccine, the vaccine cost, shipping.
		It's got to be at a certain temperature, the formulation, somebody's got to make it.
		We're talking billions and billions and billions with a B, but yet we don't see any relief from this administration or the government for people that are, you know, a lot of people have to choose between, you know, insulin and food, as high as that drug is.
		Chemotherapy patients have, you know, have literally ruined and bankrupted many senior citizens because they can't afford the treatments and they're giving everything they can to stay alive.
		I just, if we're able to do this for a vaccine that is basically from the numbers and what we see, and I've got a lot of doctors I've talked to that are local that don't, you know, it's 50-50 right now with the doctors I've talked to on the vaccine.
		Some are for it, some are against it.
		Some want to see more testing, more trials.
		I lean towards the guy that wants to see more testing, more trials.
		I think it's asinine that we're trying to push this off now.
		The main push is on children under the age of 18.
		When normally a child's vaccination, a vaccine is going to take four, five, six years in development.
		And I think that's the real scary thing here.
		If you're 18 and over, you know what?
		We can do whatever we want at that point.
		You can vote.
		You can join the military.
		You can do a lot of it, drive a car.
		You can do a lot of different things by a cigar.
		But if you're under the age of 18, I think pushing anything on a population that can't make their own decisions when it's this untested and unproven, I think that should be the real focal point.
		That's not a political, like Tony.
		So that's not a political conversation.
		This is a common sense thing, guys.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		No, and this is what I resent about the current environment where simply stating fact becomes a revolutionary act by the fact that the other side has decided that they want to support and report on a political narrative, not on the truth.
		And I don't know how to combat that completely other than just continue to say, let's just follow, let's follow science.
		Let's listen to science.
		Let's do things which are common sense.
		And the moment you say that, you become the enemy of the state and you're going to be censored by the White House, apparently.
		I saw that list of people.
		Yeah, it's like, I like Mercola.
		I mean, I don't know him, but I mean, I used to drink, I used to have his protein all the time.
		You know, he has protein you could buy on Amazon.
		So I just don't understand how the government can decide for you what's going to happen and what not happen.
		And this goes to McConnell's issue regarding him saying, like, you either you vax up or we're going to put you back in masks.
		That sounds a lot like Nazi talk, like, hey, we're going to send the Gestapo out to make sure that we poke you.
		And if you don't like it, you know, you're going to suffer the consequences.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I personally chose to get the vaccine.
		I just am absolutely opposed.
		I'm absolutely opposed to them making anyone do it.
		Like, I understand that it's risky.
		Like, I just didn't think COVID was thrilling enough.
		So I wanted to, you know, go get a jab, something dangerous.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been around, and I think you both know this.
		I was around Bernie Carrick when he had it and Rudy Giuliani when he had it.
		And I saw him on a regular basis and I didn't get it.
		Now, I believe I probably already had it.
		I think I probably had it at some past date, one of the early rounds of before anybody knew it was around.
unidentified		I was in the lab.
unidentified		Yeah.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I didn't go to the lab.
		Not that I can admit anyway.
		Just saying.
		No, I always get this question.
		Have you been to X countries?
		Like, not as Tony Schaefer.
		So, you know, so.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So did you ever, did you ever, yeah, as Chris Stryker, did you ever see trouble?
		You're the one that said it, bro.
		That's how I know.
		So I don't know if you guys saw this.
		I accidentally deleted these tweets from my Twitter account, but a few months ago, there was this app that came out called Block NYT.
		Do you guys remember?
		It kind of went viral.
		You could install it on your Twitter and it would automatically block everyone who'd ever written for the New York Times.
		Oh, no, I didn't say that.
		So I was like apparently one of the first guys ever to tweet a link to the website to use it.
unidentified		Right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And it went fair, not my tweet, but the app itself went viral.
		And these journalists kept reaching out to me and saying, like, hey, we noticed you were the first person to tweet a link to this app.
		We noticed that you have a digital marketing company.
		Like, did you make the app?
		And I was like, no, I didn't make the app.
unidentified		No, I didn't.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And they kept insisting that I developed this app secretly.
		And so I started saying I can neither confirm or deny whether or not I developed the app.
		And they put an article in it in the Daily Dot, like basically saying, you know, Chase Geyser is an alt-right app developer.
		And, you know, he made the block in my teeth.
		And he's associated with Gab because at the time I had www.gab.com as my website in my Twitter profile.
		And they just like, they ran this whole like article about how it's a conspiracy by Gab.
		And it was baloney, but it's just funny because you can just say, I can neither confirm nor deny.
		And they'll just run with that as like a positive.
		It's like when you plead the fifth and then everybody thinks you're guilty.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		They're like bloodhounds.
		I mean, I think I've told Chase this before, Tony.
		If you would have told me five years ago that I would have been in Rolling Stone magazine four times, I would have been like, man, this is a pretty great life I'm living.
		Unfortunately, they've all been hit pieces.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, the media is, it's amazing.
		So it's kind of funny.
		You guys should mention this stuff.
		Back before I became a public figure, I used to actually get away with telling people I was Harrison Ford's son.
		And kind of like, oh, no, it was great.
		Like the moment you hit it.
		You know, it's like, and I said, no, I'm only kidding.
		Oh, my God, you really need it.
		It's like, the moment you stretch, it's like, no, I'm not really.
		I'm just kidding.
		You say, oh, you really are.
		It's like, okay, sure, sure I am.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So they won't let me within 200 feet of an airplane.
		Always crashes.
		Yeah, that was a joke when I lived in California whenever we were driving, driving to the airport, and you see like a single engine plane flying and you just always like, oh, I hope it's not Harrison.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, at least you put it down safely.
		You know, I mean, you know, and on a golf course, I think, one time too.
		So that's good.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I'm just who crashes a plane multiple times.
		I don't know.
		My grandfather had a pilot's license and he forgot to put the landing gear down one time.
		He belly landed a plane.
		That was the last time he ever flew.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Hey, look, Air Force guys did that with a C-17 at Bogram.
		How you do that at Bogram, I don't know, but they actually put a C-17 down on their runway at Bogram with no wheels down.
		It's like, boy, I hope they've got to retrain that.
		I don't know.
		I mean, you got to come in to Bogram on a combat approach, no doubt.
		I mean, you've got surface-to-air missile threats because there's mountains all over and you can't cover everything.
		So you're coming in.
		I mean, you come in on a combat approach.
		With that said, I think it's probably a good idea to put your wheels down when you land.
		I'm just, you know, I'm not an Air Force guy, but I think it probably makes sense.
		And they decided not to.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So I do want to ask you guys, let's just say that the evidence continues to mount about some voting issues in these states over the course of the next several months.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Like, even if the evidence is overwhelming, what's going to, is anything going to happen?
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Do you want me to go first, Tony?
unidentified		Go ahead.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess I'll go.
		I mean, I'll just tell you, I mean, my take on it.
		I mean, I think it's going to help as far as what the state legislatures can do as far as putting regulations in place that actually will make this to where it doesn't happen a second time around.
		You've already seen some things that have been passed in Michigan, Georgia, Nevada, and even Arizona where the legislation has passed things to keep this from happening.
		They're passing them in Florida, Texas, and other states, Ohio.
		So I think you're going to see that.
		Do I think they're going to prove fraud?
		Probably so.
		Are they going to jerk Joe Biden off with a cane and push Donald Trump up on stage?
		Absolutely not.
		I think it's going to be probably a sad time in our nation's history.
		The media is obviously not going to cover it fairly.
		They never do.
		But I do believe that this is a, for conservatives out there, it should be a bipartisan issue.
		This shouldn't be a political issue.
		It should be an American issue of, hey, I don't care what side you're on.
		I want my vote to count.
		And voter ID should be mandated.
		If you're against voter ID, you're against what America stands for, period.
		There's no reason for anyone to be against voter ID.
		And then the bogus story that you need a Xerox copier to be able to vote is unbelievable.
		But honestly, nothing I don't think is going to change other than you're going to see more proof of election fraud.
		Then you're going to see states make more regulations and changes.
		You're going to see the DOJ come in with that new 1,000-plus attorney civil rights division claiming in the name of racism that these laws by these state senates are and state houses are basically racist.
		And it's going to be a fight, but I think the states and the ultimate, if the judges do what they're supposed to do, in the end, the state should win because the state should have control over that, like our Constitution says.
		I'll yield back to Tony, but I just don't think, I think there's a lot of folks going around the country.
		I'm not going to name any names.
		You guys can figure it out.
		They're standing on stages and they're screaming that Donald Trump's going to be president in six, eight weeks.
		And I think it's setting our entire movement up for another massive letdown that they don't need mentally or spiritually.
		And I'll yield back.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		So, Matt and I violently agree on that last point.
		I mean, there's real damage being done by certain folks who feel the need to make money more than be honest with the people who they're up on stage talking to.
		And I think it's very sad.
		I'm not going to be popular with what I'm going to say, but it kind of echoes what Matt's saying.
		HR1, the For the People Act, which I call the Screw the People Act, is poison.
		The federalization of the election system not only would cause huge and irrevocable damage to our ability to ensure one person, one vote, it's against the constitution.
		Matt is right.
		I mean, I'm a big 10th Amendment guy.
		I think all the states do need to maintain and secure their own elections.
		On this note, I've testified to a number of legislatures, including Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, Pennsylvania several times.
		I just testified in front of Pennsylvania two months ago on this topic, on the topic of secure elections.
		And I do believe that the states are going to look at this seriously, especially the Democrat, I'm sorry, the Republican-controlled states that have Democrat strongholds because Georgia, Pennsylvania are largely, I think, conservative.
		Georgia, actually, you know, outside of Fulton, Fulton County, it's a red state.
		Same in Pennsylvania, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, and a couple of other notable exceptions, it's all red.
		So I think they're going to take very seriously the anomalies observed in those urban centers.
		But is what will the results be?
		I think the results will be an admonition of the people who broke the rules.
		But with DOJ being compromised, I think we've all talked about my Bill Barr experience.
		I don't think it's gotten any better since Bill Barr left.
		I don't think they're going to do anything seriously to rectify this.
		So it's going to have to be a legislative driven thing in all the states that have concerns.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So when you say that the DOJ is compromised, who buy?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I believe it's compromised to the Democrat Party.
		Let me be honest here.
		One of the things that went really under the radar was the Clinton administration's forethought to in place through the federal bureaucracy a lot of people loyal to them.
		One of the things notable, and I think you all recognize you have political appointees who go into an administration and basically rule the run the bureaucracy.
		Much more important, I would argue, are those who go in as professional employees, as civil servants, who are essentially GS employees, GG employees, senior executives who work their way through and become a professional.
		Those folks stay there forever.
		And I believe people like Lois Lerner was not an anomaly.
		She was a young recruit, got into the bureaucracy, was very much loyal to a political cause, not the people of the United States.
		And if you put enough of those people in the system and you kind of encourage them to work their way up, you have a very loyal bureaucracy who responds to you and only you.
		And that's why I think we see now a very defined two-tier justice system where you can have the 6th of January folks literally dogged by the FBI and Antifa, BLM, Hunter Biden.
		They all skate.
		So, you know, and that's one of the things that again, it's not, it's not, you cannot miss it.
		You cannot miss the two-tier system.
		So that's why I think the system is so corrupt because they had they took the other political side took the time to actually work their way, work into the bureaucracy, people who are partisans, not professionals.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So that may sound criminal, like an entry-level recruiting sort of effort in the 90s sort of manufacturing.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		You can be a GS11, GS12, a professional.
		I mean, when I came to Washington, I started as a GS9 as a military case officer.
		And look, how does Jamie Gorellik end up going from DOD as a lawyer to Fannie Mae to run loans?
		How does that happen?
		How does it happen?
		Is she like some brilliant loan officer that should take over Fannie Mae and oversee?
		That's what I'm talking about.
		They tend to find people who are loyal to their political cause and they kind of see them through.
		And this includes people like James Comey.
		What's the whole cast there of characters?
		They were compromised by the fact that they felt more obligated to support a political cause than their oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution.
		That's my belief.
		So you ask, I answer.
		So, Matt, do you do you?
		What do you think?
		I mean, I don't know if you agree with my thinking.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, I think everything you're saying, I mean, I may go off a different rabbit hole here a little bit, but I mean, I think it's just, you know, so many people in DC, and you know, Tony knows the landscape a lot better than I am.
		I've only been really fighting this battle hard the last five years, you know, from a full-time standpoint.
		He's been in the battle for decades.
		And so, but I feel like so many people, whether they're at the Pentagon, whether they're in a defense contractor position, you know, lots of guys in DC.
		Everybody you meet in DC is a defense contractor if you don't do enough business out there.
		You know, that's a nice way of saying I don't want to tell you what agency I work for.
		And so, but the point is, is they are promised things from higher ups, from politicians.
		You know, it's like, hey, you know, stay this course, you know, because you're going to be in line for this position and you're going to be.
		And so the majority of the people doing that, in my opinion, Tony, can most of them have been on a Democratic level.
		And so a lot of these, even generals, for example, you know, the reason why Trump shook things up so much, nobody wants to talk about this, is there were guys that were groomed, and Tony can speak to this way better than I can.
		I heard him do it.
		They were groomed these positions.
		And then Trump comes in and he's like, you know what?
		I like Bob.
		You know, Bob worked with me.
		I was on a board with him.
		He was at Exxon for seven years.
		I'm going to make Bob Secretary of State.
		I know it's Rex Tillerson, but my point is, there were guys that expected to get hundreds, if not thousands of positions.
		And when Trump came in, he's like, nope, I like this guy.
		Nope, I want that guy.
		And he just took DC.
		It was like you're at a craps table.
		He took the dice and just threw them blindfolded.
		And that's why, in my opinion, Tony, that's why he pissed so many people off.
		And I'll yield back.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Well, he did.
		Look, the Hillary Clinton National Security staff in waiting was a thing called Beacon Global.
		You could look over there and see the list of names of people who were going to be brought into the administration.
		Everybody knew that it was their turn.
		Michelle Flanoy was going to be the Secretary of Defense.
		They had it all laid out.
		And so I think, again, that's why you saw this massive resistance to Trump the moment he came in.
		And look, Mike Flynn, and I know this from talking to Mike directly, Mike was going to go in because he got fired by Brennan and Clapper.
		He was going to go in and flip the table over.
		He just didn't care.
		It's like, yeah, I'm going to go mess up their little boys club.
		And he was.
		And I think that was one of the reasons that they went after him first because they knew that their little reindeer game was going to be upset by Mike Flynn coming in saying, okay, you're going to have to defend everything you're doing.
		You're going to have to match budget to output to requirements.
		You're not going to be able to just kind of go out there and do what you want.
		And that scared the death out of a lot of folks.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So how do you fix it, though?
		I mean, the spoil system's been around in the United States ever since Andrew Jackson, you know, and I love Andrew Jackson.
		So I'm not ragging on him, but it's like this whole buddy system doesn't really seem to be playing out very well in the long term, especially when we have infrastructure in place, for lack of a better term.
		I hate the word infrastructure is now a bad word, but we have infrastructure in place that doesn't really allow for a whole lot of accountability in terms of the deep state, right?
		Like whenever the FBI gets in trouble, they conduct an internal investigation, right?
		It's like Emeron did an internal investigation.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what happened.
		Nothing bad here happened.
		I don't even know what happened.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're all like Tony said, they all turn the cheek and go, man, I have no idea what these guys are talking about.
		And, you know, look at Pelosi as an example and her husband.
		I mean, if it was a high prominent, you know, Republican official, congressional or senate member who was doing what Nancy Pelosi is doing, and all of a sudden, every like literally, there's multiple occasions to where right after there's been a government ruling, her husband's came out and bought millions of dollars of these stocks.
		If it was Kevin McCain, and I'm not a Kevin McCarthy fan, I don't want to get on my tirade about that right now with the campaigns he donated to this week.
		But if it was any of these guys, you know, maybe it's a Thomas Massey or a Rand Paul, somebody who they really despise, was doing what Pelosi was doing and their wives were dropping half a million to a million dollar stock options every time they got out of a meeting about that kind of situation.
		There'd be federal indictments.
		I don't have any doubt, Tony.
		I mean, I think they would already have, you know, there would be DOJ investigations.
		It would be a mess.
		And I think that's what Tony's alluding to: is it just, it's so corrupt at so many levels.
		You know, they control the Department of Justice in a lot of facets.
		They control judges.
		They control clerks.
		It's not an easily fixable process, and unfortunately, uh, you know, we had some people in there.
		You know, Tony's been fighting by himself with other guys out there.
		There's a there's a few fighters, don't get me wrong, but it's he's, you know, it just like Trump, you know, guys like Tony and DC have been outnumbered for two, two, three decades.
		This is a fight that's going to take years to fix, and it's not a simple fight, folks.
		It's going to take a lot of work and a lot of getting the right people in the right places.
		I don't see a fix for it anytime soon, Tony.
		And Chase, I don't.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, so Matt knows, and I said this at Matt's event a while back.
		There were three failings of President Trump.
		And I'm just going to lay them out.
		First, he never understood the importance of the budget.
		I think Kimberly Klasich rightfully tweeted yesterday, and I retweeted it: the budget crisis is created by both sides.
		It's like, oh, yeah, both sides have responsibility.
		We have a massive debt because both sides have just let it go.
		And for a handful of for only for a handful of people like Thomas Massey, Walter Jones, a handful of others are saying, This is going to kill us.
		We need to stop this.
		But, you know, here we are.
		We're still spending our and Trump never got control of it.
		Secondly, he should have got control, but just for the fact that all bureaucrats depend on their funding.
		And so, if he had made the point, unless you do the policies I recommend you do, you're not going to get your budget.
		He should have made that very clear.
		That's what the Democrats do.
		They're going to cut you off at the knees, and you're going to be, oh, you can have your fine agency, but you can't do anything.
		He never, he was never advised to do that.
		So that's mistake number one.
		Mistake number two: big media.
		He talked about all the different, oh my God, social media is this and the other.
		Didn't do anything to stop it.
		I know for a fact he was advised to do something and decided not to.
		Why he didn't, I don't know.
		But now he's suing him.
		You know, I mean, yeah, yeah, here's what it is.
		So he failed to do that.
		And I'm just trying, you know, I'm going to get in trouble for saying this, but it's the truth.
		He didn't take aggressive action against the social media giants, and he was the first one to suffer.
		He's the first one they got, right?
		I mean, you know, oh, sorry.
		So, and the third area is what Matt was focused on: personnel.
		Policy is personnel.
		And so, you're right.
		I've gone to reenactments, reenactments at Antietam, where part of the reenactment was the corrupt contractors delivering bad food to the Union troops at the front.
		So, we've seen corruption the entire history of the nation.
		You're not going to get rid of it.
		You're not going to get rid of people getting paid off.
		It's going to happen still.
		So, what you got to do is pick and choose your battles.
		And the way you do that in Washington is to pick the people who can get things done based on your agenda.
		Reagan was a master.
		So, I was, I had a sit-down years ago with John Lehman, Secretary of the Navy.
		And I was admitting it's like, John, how did you get control of the Navy?
		Because, you know, Navy's got a mind of its own.
		I said, How did you get how did you manage all of these big-headed people?
		You know, he got rid of the father of the nuclear Navy, Admiral, what's his name?
		Which was not an easy thing to do because he was a god.
		I'll think of his name in a second.
		So, I said, How did you do that?
		And John said, Well, I basically recognized I can't fire people.
		So, I said, I basically figured out a list of folks who are going to oppose me and I promoted them.
		It's like he put them in a big building over in Roslyn and said, You're too important to have to do work.
		You need to think big thoughts and do big things.
		So, he got all these people who he knew were going to be problems and put them in a room, like in a big building, gave them their own mission.
		It's like, you go breathe each other and let me know when you come up with ideas.
		So, so basically, yeah, no, it's great.
		It's like, so you so basically he used the strength of the bureaucracy against the bureaucracy.
		It's like, so you can do this, and he did it.
		He got control of the Navy, fired people, you know, he got rid of people, and he was effective.
		So, one of the things I do looking at my standards, how I try to get things done, it's how effective are you?
		And this is one of my criticisms of the military, we should probably talk about another day.
		The military has become completely focused on measures of performance, MOP.
		But, okay, you perform these five things, you do well, you get a great evaluation, you get a medal.
		But were you effective?
	Did you do anything to actually win the war, beat the bad guys?
	Because during World War II, it was measures of performance.
	It's like, hey, did you go?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		The famous scene in saving Private Ryan.
unidentified		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Is it the objective to win the war?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You know, when like they were objecting to, you know, doing this skirmish that was sort of voluntary.
unidentified		Bingo.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Are we trying to win the war or not?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		So, so this is where I judge people.
		You're, you know, not by the skin color, but do you know what the hell you're doing?
		Can you, can you actually do the job you're supposed to do?
		I mean, it's like, I'm very ambivalent.
		I hate everybody who doesn't be able to doesn't know how to do their job.
		So, yeah, I mean, it's like, it's pretty easy.
		Can you actually F and do your job or not?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Can you do it or one thing I like about one thing I like about Joe Biden, though, is he's really shown how to be semi-retired.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You know, like the presidency really is a part-time job.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, I'm surprised he's not running around in shorts half the time trying to cut his own lawn.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		I think you should, you know, I think he needs to step his game up a little.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		You know, let's throw on a, throw on a polo and some shorts, start mowing the yard.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		You know, I wanted a riding mower, kind of, you know, with a six-pack of beer in the back, you know, kind of riding around the White House lawn.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		That'd be a great site.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		I want to see him like, I want, I want real pictures of him, you know, in shorts and a t-shirt, telling the White House you have to bring him a club sandwich while he's playing Mario Kart, you know?
unidentified		Okay.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, you remember when Trump was president and the rioters set the guard house of the White House on fire?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		How wild would it have been if Trump would have walked out the front door of the White House with an AR to defend his own property?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Don't tempt him.
unidentified		Look, I was told by John Kelly.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		Look, I was told by John Kelly once because I wanted to see the president's stuff.
		And John Kelly looked at me this one event.
		He says, Tony, I'm not going to let you see the president because all you're going to do is inflame his instincts.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		At least he was honest with you.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's really busy right now.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Trump would have totally pulled a McCluskey.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		There's no doubt.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		He didn't have around him.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So do you think that this, do you think that these election audit outcomes are going to set Trump up for success in 2024?
		I mean, because we basically know he's going to run, it seems like based on the reporting.
		And, you know, I wanted him to run for Congress, not for the president this time, but obviously I'm going to support him regardless.
		But do you think that he's going to be set up for success or do you think he's going to meet the same sort of resistance?
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		I think people are so pissed off right now.
		You know, I travel around the country a lot.
		I know Tony does as well.
		I'm telling you, like I, I thought, I'll be honest with you, two or three months ago, I would have said DeSantis is the best shot we have at taking the White House in 2024.
		And I would have stood with conviction by that statement and said, no, Trump needs to take a back seat.
		But with what I've seen coming out of Trump's campaign, the people, he's got a few smarter folks around him now than he did back when he was in the White House.
		I believe advisor-wise, they're getting a little more brazen, a little more ballsy, if you will.
		And I honestly believe that he is 100% on a different level right now than even he was back in 2015 and 16 when he was running.
		People are behind him.
		It doesn't matter where I go.
		People know what I do for a living.
		People are, you know, used to, it would be like Tony could probably, they'd pull you aside and they would whisper and they'd go, hey, hey, I like what you guys are doing.
unidentified		Keep it up.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Now I'll be in a restaurant.
		Somebody from 25 feet away will go, Matt Couch, you know, keep kicking their teeth in, buddy.
		And I'm like, what the hell?
		You know, like people are mad.
		And I, and I think Trump is seeing that.
		He knows that he's got a motivated base of tens of millions.
		He, you know, I mean, if you just go by their own numbers, he got 75 million votes, the most ever by an incumbent president.
		And I promise, well, I say I shouldn't promise.
		If the Republicans have any stones whatsoever left in them, they will fight with everything in their being to not be locked down next year because I think that's that's the goal.
		I mean, they want to control the narrative with the with the lockdowns.
		They want to control the government.
		They want to control the voting.
		They want mail-in voting.
		I think if Georgia does what George is going to do and Vernon Jones becomes your governor, and I think if Whitmer is out in Michigan, which I think there's a real strong possibility of that with the candidates running up there, take the House and the Senate in 2022, which I believe will happen without even the fraudulent states that are under question right now, those seven metro areas.
		The GOP, it's up to the GOP, but they got to fight for this.
		Trump can't do it alone, but I believe he's got a chance to win, probably carry more votes than he did last time.
		Because I've never seen people, like I saw what it was like in 15 and 16 and even leading up to the 2020 elections.
		People were, you know, they were pulling aside, you know, privately, Tony.
		But now, I mean, people aren't even hiding it.
		They're like, hey, man, you want to come over and speak at our church?
		You want to come over and speak at the VFW club?
		And I'm like, man, guys, man, what happened to all the silent majority stuff?
		It's gone.
		I mean, they're mad.
		And I'll yield back and let Tony answer that question too.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, look, there's no doubt that there's buyer remorse.
		I still don't believe Joe Biden got all the votes that they say.
		I'm just, I'm sorry.
		I just, I just don't believe it.
		He doesn't have the charisma of Obama or the drive of Trump.
		He just doesn't.
		And I just have a hard time believing it.
		With that said, the anger is real.
		Matt's picking up on it.
		And a lot of people feel that Biden is failing, especially in demographics, which he said he would help.
		He's not.
		I mean, he wasn't going to, anyway.
		You know, everybody knew it, but I think people are really going to wake up, especially blue collar.
		One of the things notable that I think is always missed, and I'm a populist in many ways.
		And this is one of them.
		It's like, I love built in America.
		I love stuff built in America.
		I think we should support American workers.
		I don't think it's a radical point of view, but things like killing the XL Keystone pipeline, that kills blue-collar jobs.
		I'm an environmental guy.
		I got an environmental degree.
		Matt, we talked about this at your event.
		The best and most safe way of moving oil efficiently and safely is a pipeline.
		You put it on rail, you put it in containers and vehicles.
		It's unsafe.
		There's a number of videos online where you can see these big trains in Canada that something broke.
		And next thing you know, you're wiping out of town.
		That doesn't happen with pipes, with dedicated timelines.
		So that's another area.
		And then the Southwest border.
		Another issue, the Southwest border, is cheap labor degrades the ability of union workers to get really good union jobs.
		Because why would anybody want to put a union guy on something and pay him a good wage when you can get somebody who's here illegally to take money under the table at like one quarter of the union guy?
		How is that helping the demographic of the Democrat Party?
		It's not.
		So one of the things we need to do, I've gone to Scranton.
unidentified		talked to people in scrap it's like that's where biden's from right It's like, Joe is not on your side.
unidentified		I'm just telling you, Joe is not on your side.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		He's not.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I like how every town he goes to, he's from that town.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		But he really is.
		So I'm just saying, but I'm just telling you that we need to make an outreach to those folks.
		You know, like I spent time with Tulsi Gabber.
		I love Tulsi.
		I think Tulsi is someone who feels more like we do than her side does because I know she sincerely wants the best for people.
		She's wanted to do things which are more populist and Bernie-like.
		You know, I'm just saying, don't agree with those.
		But I know in her heart, she wants to do the right thing to help people.
		And I don't believe for a minute that the larger progressive Democrat Party, progressives versus classic liberals, classic liberals I get along with.
		I love them.
		Progressives, I don't.
		And I think that's what we need to do is reach out to those traditional classical liberals who really do see, do have the same concerns we do about the country and where it's going.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		We just need to make Democrats Democrats again, you know.
unidentified		So I'd like to go back and fight the old way we used to fight.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Arguing over tax rates instead of whether or not to impeach the opposition.
		So Tony, I don't know if you got to see this.
		Matt, I know you saw it, but I did a short video yesterday.
		And I don't know if I'm missing something as just a naive layman, but I looked at the hiring, the job openings on the DNC website versus the job openings on the GOP website.
		And it is scary to see who the Dems are hiring for what positions compared to what the Republicans are doing.
		The Republicans have six openings on their website right now.
		One of them is an internship.
		Whereas if you go to the Democrat site, look at who they're hiring, they've got entire teams dedicated to finance, dedicated to social issues, dedicated to digital strategy and branding.
		One of the things that's my pet peeve about the Republican Party is that they don't emphasize branding on their candidates.
		And so it's like, how are we, you know, I'm optimistic that the sentiment and the will is there among the people to make a difference in 2022 and 2024, but I'm very discouraged by what I'm seeing from the actual party itself.
		It doesn't seem like they, you know, they feel the fire.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Too busy kicking out porn stars.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no kidding.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Look, yeah, I've got a problem with that.
		I'm not a big porn star person, but if someone wants to be a conservative, you need to let them monitor.
		I don't think that's right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Your name was Chris Stryker, man.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		There's no way you weren't a porn star.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Tell me about that.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		No, that was my nickname.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Stryker.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		I hardly know her.
unidentified		I agree with Tony.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		It's like, yeah, the guy with the porn is our name.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		I agree with Tony.
		I've been speaking with Miss Love off and on the last two or three days.
		And she's very smart.
		The funny thing is, is conservatives have this mindset that here's my take.
		Chase, do you want me to go into this?
		You know my stance.
		We've been on the phone.
		I don't know what.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go into it, man.
unidentified		All right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Nothing's up limits on this show.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Everything we've said is going to be banned anyway.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		I'll just say this.
		Yeah, hope not.
		I hope not.
		I'll give you my channel if they ban you.
		You can have my channel.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I don't care.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		You're going to bring on strippers later, by the way.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Just ask it.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if I have a way to get in touch with Miss Love, I would totally have her on the podcast.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		If I got the full screen, if I had the full screen, Tony, I could push a button and then polls will come in on each side of me.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty sweet.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Look, full disclosure: I know a few porn stars who remain under the radar who are just like us.
		They're conservatives.
		It's just they know.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Most of them are, you know, believe it or not.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Like, I know Jennifer.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, because they're de-banked.
		They're all de-banked.
		None of them can get like a regular bank account.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		They're all multi-millionaires, too.
		Our conservatives don't want to talk about that, but they are, you know, they literally are multi-millionaires.
		And, you know, her net worth is almost $10 million.
		I love the fact that they were like, you're doing this just for a money grab.
		I'm like, no, she's not.
		If she wants to make $150,000, she can book a weekend.
		I mean, this is crazy.
		She makes far more money than the majority of the people that were attending that event.
		And throw her.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		She didn't ask to get kicked out.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		No, throw her.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		The kicked out thing is how she's getting so much exposure.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		But what cracks me up is she's wearing a sundress and heels.
		And there were literally conservatives talking about what she was wearing.
		And I'm like, have you seen what the 19 to 25-year-old women are wearing that are at this conference?
		They're all wearing dresses shorter than hers.
		And you're making this argument.
		But the whole thing is, throw profession out the window.
		If you're going to play the moral police, and I have friends I'm going to bring up here, and I don't want to piss these guys off because they are powerful guys in our movement, but I'm going to bring it up and use this analogy.
		Chase probably already knows where I'm going with this.
		You're going to kick her out because she's a porn star and you don't like it from a moral compass, but yet at the same time, you're okay with Scott Pressler.
		You're okay with Rick Rinnell.
		These same people were even pushing Caitlin Jenner for the governor of California.
		That whole crowd that runs with Charlie Kirk was pushing that.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, I know a few people who don't aren't happy about Rick Rinnell, too.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, no.
		I do too.
		And, but I'm just using it as an analogy that's like, look, either everyone's included in this movement or they're not.
		It's a terrible president to make.
		I have no problem with Rick or Scott.
		What they do in the bedroom is none of my decisions.
		And same thing with Caitlin Jenner.
		But so to me, for turning point, the purpose was you kicked her out based on her profession, which is only because of a moral aptitude.
		So if you are doing that, then at the same time, allowing, if we're going to talk about sin, then you're allowing all these other people to be a part of it.
		It's just hypocritical.
		It's a horrible look for our party.
		It's going to be used in the 2022 midterms.
		It really is going to be horrible because we already have, we don't reach women well as a party.
		We don't reach suburban moms well.
		We don't reach minorities well.
		But you know what?
		Hey, what the hell?
		Let's exclude, let's exclude folks.
		And I'll yield back, but it's amazing how a group that kicked out a porn star could identify a porn star so quickly.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		That's what exactly happened there.
		Like they just noticed that she was there and they asked her to leave.
		Like, how do you kick somebody out?
		Yeah.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		I mean, and she didn't buy the cheap ticket.
		She bought the $600 VIP tickets.
		She bought two of them.
		She paid $1,200 for tickets.
		Her trip cost $5,000.
		Then these idiots start accusing her of making money because she created a shirt that said, I triggered Charlie Kirk, which I thought was hilarious.
		And she spent about 700 bucks on the shirts.
		And so, but five grand on the trip, this is not a woman who needs money.
		I'll get off my soapbox, but I'm so pissed off.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		That's ridiculous.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		It's terrible for our movement, guys.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Look, I'm in the second profession, and morally, the things I've done would get me kicked out because I've done things that for our government, you know, that are considered kind of immoral.
		I don't know what to say.
		You know, in my profession, we kill people for a living.
		And I'm not trying to be over the top.
		It's kind of like that, it's kind of the bottom line of what we do.
		So I don't want to be judged morally for the things I've done over my career, nor do I believe that we should hold anybody to any standard other than what principles do they believe to be in the best interest of the American people.
		Do they want to be part of something to help protect our interests as the American people?
		And are they sincere?
		That's it.
		I mean, and she seems to be all of those things.
		So it really is disappointing to see that somehow, and I don't know where this moral streak comes from because nine times out of ten, those who are most pious are the ones who are the most compromised regarding this sort of thing.
		At least that's my experience.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		No, we accepted Donald Trump, but yet now we're mad about Brandy Love.
		Really?
		Is this what our party has become?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I support Donald Trump, but he actually did sleep with a porn star.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		That was my argument with liberals when they tried to attack me about that.
		They're like, he slept with Stormy Daniels.
		Like, well, technically, there's really not proof of that.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		But if you got to pay her not to brag about it, though, so good on that.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I'm giving the Don a big prop here.
		That's probably why he retweeted me 50 times because I was nice to him.
		But the point is, when he, if the numbers and the dates are right, you know, it wasn't like he was sleeping with Stormy Daniels now.
		He was sleeping with Stormy Daniels in her prime.
		There's not a guy at the water cooler that's going to be.
		Much less shameful.
unidentified		Yeah.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		So what?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, it's like, so what?
		Who cares?
		Good for him.
		Good, good on you.
unidentified		Good.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Good on you, bro.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, it's like, like, if they really think that men around the country, you know, like real men, not betas, are going to walk around and go, hey, did you hear Trump slept with Stormy Daniels?
		Oh, God, I can't vote for him now, Chase.
		I'm out.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you, you guys saw my tweet the other day, probably about Kamala Harris.
		And I always talk about when she talks about jabs, we should look no further than Mayor Willie Brown to assess her ability regarding jabs.
		I'm just saying, I mean, right?
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		100%.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, that's one thing that's just conveniently overlooked.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		And you have to do some research to figure that one out because basically nobody covered it.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I mean, it's pretty obvious.
		And it's so hypocritical, you know, on both sides.
		But it's like, he's right.
		You know, Tony's right about Willie Brown.
		You start looking into that thing, and it'll make you blush.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't look into that thing.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Just say.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So, how do we, how do we, how do we, how do we get the party to hustle?
		Like, how do we put how do we put them to the coals, so to speak, in terms of like, I feel like the party as a whole, the leadership in place and the RNC itself take for granted, like, the donors that they get, all this stuff.
		Like, I have three answers.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		That's not an okay sign.
		That's the number three for the kidsticks at home.
		Uh, you know, that's how you make three or we have since we were kids.
		Three answers, and I'll make it quick because I've jumped up like a five-year-old who had the answer here.
		Um, but literally, there's there's three answers, okay?
		Basically simple: Rona McDaniel, Mitt Romney's niece, has to go.
		Oh, yeah, Kevin McCarthy, who literally donated to five of the 10 people who voted to impeach Trump, the Rhinos, went into PAX and gave them hundreds of thousands of dollars this week for the rhinos who voted to impeach Trump, who's who literally are turncoats.
		McCarthy has to go, and Mitch McConnell.
		You really want to change the party fundamentally, and you want to actually do this.
		And we're not just BSing ourselves.
		You know, Rona McDaniel, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell are out.
		I don't know who you bring in to run the you know, run the RNC, but it's got to be somebody strong.
		Rick Grinnell would be a choice for that, possibly.
		There's somebody like that that could do it.
		And then also, as far as like, you know, as far as the House goes, you know, obviously you've got a Lauren Beaubert, but I think Jim Jordan's more experienced.
		I'd put a Jim Jordan there as the leader of the House and I would put a Rand Paul or somebody that actually has some testicular fortitude in the Senate.
		But if you don't, if we win in 2022, gentlemen, and we don't change those three roles, it doesn't matter, I don't think.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		And I'll shut up unless you guys convert to finish the answer that I think you want to chase regarding why the RNC versus the DNC has such different job descriptions.
		Matt just said it.
		Rona, what's her name?
		The nephew or niece?
		Is it niece?
		Can we say niece or nephew?
		Is that permitted still?
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		It may be both.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I want to be, you know, like, you know, I don't want to get any trouble here, but whatever she's always walking on the podcast to clarify.
		Yeah, ask her.
		Chase, ask her.
		Tell her that Colonel Shaper had a question.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I'll get her on and then I'll surprise her by bringing Randy Love on.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Here, what are your pronouns?
		Tell us your pronouns.
		Anyway, she needs to go because that's why Trump that Trump was the Republican Party until he left.
		You know, I think he won't be amazing.
		Don't use my imagery for fundraising.
		So the party's got to get back together.
		And Trump's got to recreate his organization.
		If he's going to be the man, he's got to be the man because the Republican Party, without his push, is going to be as feckless as we've seen.
		Right?
		And they still got to account for all this money they raised to defend the vote, right?
		Or, you know, go after all the corruption.
		Where'd it all go?
		$200 million?
		There's something wrong with that.
		So, but you're right.
		And the other thing, and this is where the three of us, I'd like us three to be in leadership positions because I can organize stuff.
		I almost said something, but I can organize things and get them done.
		And I think you need to have people like Matt who understand the demographic and the media.
		Chase, you have to have someone like you being a quarterback, kind of telling people where to go, what to do and how to organize, and basically just find a way to modernize without offending people, like being Charlie Kirk and get together.
		No, I'm serious.
		It's like, what the hell are you thinking?
		I agree.
		And by the way, why would Miss Love?
		She can make some big contributions.
		Just say it.
		Why would you alienate someone who could actually help your party, for God's sake?
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		She put out a great tweet that I retweeted a couple of days ago, and it was brilliant.
		And she said, you know, she said, you know, she said, she said, they said I was there to because I wanted to get a younger, younger college audience to someone to that degree.
		And she said, I assure you, I reach more college and high school men than Turning Point could ever dream about in their company's history.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I've seen them.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've seen it.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		You know, so I mean, I mean, I know what she's got a million followers on Twitter almost.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		I can't even imagine how many followers she has on the other sites, right?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wouldn't.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		I do follow her.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I follow her on Twitter.
		I follow back the porn stars who follow me, and I do.
		I have.
		It's been my policy.
		Like the left attackman is like, oh, you follow porn stars.
		Like, yeah, those who follow me, I follow them back.
		I'm a, yeah, I do not discriminate.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, finally, with Bray, I tweeted this today.
		I said, finally, you know, because of what happened to Brandy Love, we can, it gives conservatives an excuse to follow a porn star on Twitter.
		It's like, oh, you know, it's just the turning point thing.
unidentified		I'm only here for a tweet.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just, I read the articles.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		It's like the old Playboy magazine.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Articles are great.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		That guy won a Pulitzer back in 89, you know.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's that's funny stuff.
		You know, I just think that the party needs to shy away from the moral dogmatism.
		I think that's part of the reason why so many young people don't like the Republican Party today because of its association with a lot of sort of the dogmatism, you know, that was more rampant 20 years ago.
		We're still kind of branded as like this evangelical party.
		And though, you know, evangelicals are an important part of the Republican Party and conservatism.
		And I'm not bashing that at all, but the party is more about freedom than anything else.
		And I wish that we would take that brand, you know, and really ride with it.
		But, you know, we're going to have to have politicians that actually advocate for policies of freedom.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I'm friends with Pastor Brian Gibson, one of my best friends in life and one of my business partners.
		And, you know, and when I started sticking up for Brandy Love, I went, oh, man, you know, because I mean, you know, he's my one of my mentors.
		And I respect what he has to say.
		And literally, like, first words out of his mouth is he's like, you're absolutely right to stand up for her.
		He's like, can you imagine if we as Christians just started shunning people that we actually want to lead to Christ?
		Or that we said, he said, how are we going to mentor people to make them conservatives, to make them better people, better Christians?
		If we're like, you know what, you're not welcome here because of who you are or what you do.
		He's like, no, hell no, come on in.
		We'll teach you our way and see if you like it.
		It's unbelievable that that was the mindset of this group was to instead of including them to try to draw more people to the movement, they wanted to shun them, alienate them, humiliate them.
		So when big pastors like Gibson, Pastor Brian Gibson are like Matt, you, Tony, Chase, you guys have the all are on the right mindset.
		This is not what we are as a party.
		It's not even who we are as Christians.
		We don't shun people like this.
		So I don't know what they're thinking, but it was a terrible move.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		And I'm with you.
		And I look, I'm doing, I'm coming up on some talks next month.
		I'm doing, I know for a fact that a couple of porn stars are going to be there to attend.
		And it's not there.
		They're not there as porn stars.
		They're there as conservatives.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		We have a big tent.
		We have a big tent.
		We should be bringing people in.
		And I'm sorry, if they can write checks, you should be trying to get them in.
		I'm just saying, you know, I mean, let's be practical here.
		You know, it's like, hey, you want to be part of the tent?
		Come on in.
		But we should not be standing on some moral soapbox trying to turn away people who want to be open.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Who do you think is going to draw more people on the stage to draw voters?
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Brandy Love or Chris Christie?
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've never seen Chris Christie naked.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if I want to talk about that.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm kind of, I'm going to lean with Colonel Schaefer here.
		I really don't want to talk about that either.
		If that's okay, Chase.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, that's fine.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I've seen him on the beach.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I've seen him on a beach.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		How was it?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've seen the picture too.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Was that back?
		Was that back when you were in it?
		Was that back when you were studying environmentalism?
unidentified		And it was like the part of the remember, they shut down the Virginia.
		Jersey Deaches and he showed up there on his TV.
		Yeah.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		He's in the big lawn, the big beach lawn chair and got the hat.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's it.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		No, I'm just gonna say it again, Ada Ferry, for your audience.
		I don't want to see myself naked, let alone Chris Christie.
		So, you know, I'm just gonna clarify that for everyone out there.
unidentified		Wow.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I will say I get in trouble.
		I put a full body massage chapter in my book, Operation Dark Heart, that got me in a lot of trouble.
		Just saying, I got yelled at by Two-Star General over that scene in my book.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		It was what I'm not familiar with that.
		See, I haven't read the book yet.
		I'd like to.
		Would you tell a story when you got a full-body massage?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		It's the chapter where I figure out how to do Operation Dark Heart.
		There's a full body massage in the chapter.
		You'll like it.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		We need to.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		That should sell 100,000 more copies right there.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what you need to do is you need to commission Brandi Love to read the audiobook version of your book, Colonel?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I'll talk to her about that.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to have one of my favorite.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Do you know how many sales it would get?
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		So we'll see.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		That's great.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		So thanks for coming on, guys.
		We're coming up.
		Yeah, it's been great.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		It's been great.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		It's always a pleasure.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		It's fun.
		Thanks for having me on.
		This is great.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You're always welcome on the show, Tony.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
matt couch ▲ ● ▼		Always great to be here.
		All right.
		You guys.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You guys take care.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
anthony shaffer ▲ ● ▼		Talk to you soon.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		You guys.
unidentified		All right.
chase geiser ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye.
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