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July 6, 2021 - One American - Chase Geiser

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Ian Miles Cheong, Nicki Clyne, & Andrew Stern Are Live On One American Podcast | OAP #26

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	Hey!
	How's it going?
	What's up, man?
	Good.
	I mean, yeah, I'm good.
	I should probably use my main camera.
	I shouldn't like this thing here, as you can see.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Hop on.
	Hop on that, and I'll let you back in.
	No, no, no, take us on, like, an MTV cribs.
	Oh, yeah, give us a tour.
	Give us a tour of your place.
	Let's see the beanie collection.
	This is my office, right?
	This is my office, right?
	Nice.
	Very good.
	And walking through the office.
	So very little time spent in there.
	Yeah.
	Most of the time here.
	This is my kitchen.
	You know, it's like, here's my, what do you call it?
	Cast iron.
	Yeah.
	That's nice for self-defense.
	Yeah, it's perfect for self-defense.
	I'm walking around my house.
	Here's the den, the living room here.
	You know, my big TV.
	Oh, nice.
	Chair to sit on.
	You know, I'm going to go upstairs.
	Why not?
	Yep.
	Love it, man.
	Looks sweet.
	You just got the house within the last year, right?
	Yeah, this year.
	This year.
	Yeah.
	Congratulations.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	I got way too many hats, which I never use.
	I've never seen you wear a hat.
	Actually, that's nice.
	I used to wear them like every day.
	Yeah, I don't anymore.
	But here's my bedroom.
	Nice.
	Epic.
	I like that.
	I like the ceiling a lot.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know.
	It's pretty cool, isn't it?
	Oh, yeah.
	And the bathroom is like hidden behind here, you know?
	Like a secret.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	So if you have a girl over or something, she's like, can I use your bathroom?
	You're like, if you can find it.
	Here's the bathroom.
	Ian, I like the black and white theme.
	You got the black ceilings and doors and the walls.
	It matches the shirt and the hair right now.
	Yeah.
	It's the whole thing.
	It's a whole look.
	So did you change your personal style to match the house or did you change the house to match your personal style?
	I had my house custom designed by interior decorators based on my mood board I had prepared.
	What's a mood board?
	It's like when you make like, I don't know, like, you know, Pinterest, right?
	Not is it Pinterest?
	Yeah, Pinterest.
	Yeah.
	When you just get like a whole bunch of pictures and then you set up like a page there, that's like a mood board.
	So, you know, it's got your aesthetic there.
	Oh, it's a bunch of examples.
	Yeah, a bunch of examples.
	So, you know, I looked through a bunch of different sites, you know, like interior decorating sites and so on to get that proper look.
	Yeah.
	You know, that would be like an amazing troll if we found like an interior design company that worked primarily with celebrities and we hacked into their systems and changed all the mood boards that they had on file for clients.
	I feel like you must have taken photos from a villain's evil lair stuck in the side of a mountain in Norway.
	Is that all right?
	It's definitely a Nordic look, right?
	It's a kind of like a dark Nordic design.
	Yeah.
	It kind of reminds me of the villain's place in Watchmen.
	I forget his name.
	I love that.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's a beautiful place.
	Yeah.
	I love that.
	That's totally nice.
	I'm just figuring out my camera here so I can position it for myself.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	So how do, first of all, Ian, the other guy that I have on this call is my close family friend, Andrew, whom I know personally.
	And he's been on before.
	I just want you guys to meet each other.
	I wanted him to join us for a couple of reasons, just because he's one of my favorite critical thinkers to just bounce ideas off of, and it's always fun to talk to him.
	And also because he's a big fan of Battle Star Galactica.
	So I'm just totally exploiting my relationship with him.
	I'm just here right now.
	Please let me out.
	But he's been on the podcast a couple of times.
	We had him on with a couple of libertarians last time, and that was a lot of fun.
	Heard that go.
	I mean, they're libertarians.
	It was good.
	You know, I love talking to libertarians, but I don't go that far.
	What about you?
	What are your thoughts on libertarians, Ian?
	I'm not one.
	Those are my thoughts.
	I mean, people like to say, oh, Ian, don't you believe in XYZ?
	Which is like, you know, like some whatever libertarians believe.
	I'm like, I'm not a libertarian.
	I'm not a fucking libertarian.
	That's my views on libertarians.
	I think they are straddling the fence and they don't seem to understand that this culture war is not just some simple internet spat, right?
	It's like it's an existential thing.
	I mean, right now you see libertarians defending critical race theory, not because they support critical race theory, but because they think that trying to stop it from being taught in educational, in academia and schools is somehow infringing upon the First Amendment rights of the critical race theorists.
	And I'm like, what are you guys talking about?
	It's publicly funded.
	Like they can decide what the curriculum is.
	The government decides it because the government is dictated by the people, right?
	It's the will of the people.
	It's definitely that they are so ideologically pure.
	It's actually a very internally consistent ideology, but that leaves very little room for pragmatism.
	Exactly right.
	Yeah.
	I feel like they do more damage to their conservative movement, capital L libertarians, you know, not like people who are just like regularly libertarian.
	They do more damage to the conservative movement than even liberals because they are constantly in the center, constantly making excuses for the far left.
	And I'm not even talking about, you know, like regular liberals, which, you know, I have no problem with, really.
	I mean, if anything, conservatives have become very liberal over the past 10, 20 years, you know, compared to like the 90s or something.
	But, you know, libertarians have, you know, every step of the way kind of allowed the far left to make a lot of progress just by making these arguments that, oh, resisting them is somehow illiberal in some way.
	You know, it's not illiberal to stop a person from, you know, or stop a group of an ideology from gaining ground.
	I mean, especially when that ideology threatens to destroy you.
	Yeah.
	One of the things that I thought was really funny about the libertarian movement this last cycle was, and I like the libertarians, so sometimes they kind of take it personal when you criticize libertarianism.
	Of course, they do.
	Well, I like libertarians a lot.
	They're really fun to hang out with, even though I'm not one.
	But they basically, when they ran Judge Jorgensen, if all of the votes for her would have gone for Trump, then Biden would not have gotten elected.
	So nobody talks about that.
	But it's like they basically, it's like, here you go.
	Here you go, Joe.
	That's exactly right.
	I mean, these are people who, you know, they're always talking about voting for the third party and how they don't want to, you know, vote for the two-party system.
	But that doesn't work.
	I mean, the two-party systems here stay.
	There's just not enough of them.
	There's just enough of them to damage the one side or the other, right?
	Which, you know, obviously they're damaging conservatism because most of them are conservatives to a sense.
	And so it feels on that subject on taxation.
	So I'm thinking, you know, if you guys are really smart, you'd be more like Rand Paul, where you wouldn't run a separate candidate or a separate party.
	What you would do is you would run as Republicans, right, and take it over from within.
	I mean, not necessarily take it over.
	I'm not saying they should do that, but run as Republicans and reflect the Republican values as much as libertarian values.
	And I think that would work.
	I mean, look at what the DSA did, right?
	The DSA has run several major candidates, AOC being one of them, Ilhan Umar, Rashida Talib, all these people work for the, not work for, but they are represented by the Democratic Socialists of America, and now they're Democrats, but they're still the same, you know, they're still part of the DSA, right?
	And the DSA has successfully run a number of, you know, DA candidates to take positions of power in prosecutor's office, like Joseph Boudin or that new guy that they have down in Austin, Texas, right?
	The activist DA.
	So why can't libertarians do the same thing?
	I mean, why not run as a Republican candidate and not damage the standing of the Republican Party?
	Because a lot of people simply vote along party lines.
	Because they're principled.
	I mean, it's the same point I was making before.
	They're just ridiculously principled.
	It's not a bad, it's not a knock, but that's just the bottom line.
	They're very, very principled.
	And, you know, they're not going to vote for somebody just because it's the two-party system.
	They go, no, I'm not going to vote against my conscience.
	It's very unrealistic.
	It's extremely unrealistic.
	And I think that's probably my main problem with it in chases.
	I don't want to say that.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, look at what New Hampshire libertarians, right?
	I mean, they've been making, I wouldn't say making waves really.
	I mean, making waves on Twitter is not the same as making waves politically.
	They're always going on about how, oh, we're winning now.
	People are agreeing with us because we're fighting CRT in colleges with Dr. Carlin Boroshenko or whatever, right?
	And she's always going on about how the libertarians are winning.
	I'm like, what have you guys won?
	You've lost everything for the past 20 years.
	You've never won a single race in your life.
	I mean, just because you're getting a bunch of retweets like, oh, you got 200 retweets on Twitter.
	Good job.
	You know, I'm going to clap my hand here, which, you know, I would if I had two hands right now.
	But that's what they do, right?
	They're always going on about how they're winning.
	It's like, yeah, you know, okay, you're winning.
	Wow.
	Like, have you been doing that?
	And it's even more poetic that you clap one hand.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	It's silent, you know?
	Yeah.
	Exactly right.
	So, are you going to join with your real computer or not?
	Ian, I can't.
	Like, for some reason, it's not detecting my thing.
	So, I'm going to keep trying.
	You know, it's while I'm talking to you guys, I'm actually fiddling around with the capture card here.
	For some reason, it's not going through.
	It's actually kind of annoying.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I understand.
	You know, buy a brand new house and can't get the camera to work.
	It works sometimes.
	It works sometimes.
	Yeah.
	So, how do you, how do you and Nikki know each other?
	Because I got the sense when I first started interacting with Nikki that you guys had previously communicated.
	Oh, we talk a lot.
	We're like good friends.
	Oh, cool.
	Since when?
	You know, way back.
	I don't know how many lives ago it was exactly, but uh, yeah, we're gonna figure it out.
	Reincarnation is real.
	Yeah, no, I think you saw my uh Scott Adams interview.
	I did, I did.
	Yep, I did see a Scott Adams interview, and then I reached out.
	I think I reached out.
	Was it you reached out?
	I forget.
	I think I reached out.
	Actually, no, one of us reached out.
	No, what happened was, well, I think you just mentioned that you were what you were in the middle of watching it and thought it was interesting.
	And so we followed each other.
	But then when we finally talked, it was because I commented on a tweet of yours.
	Like this really kind of what I thought was a benign comment that I wrote just kind of not thinking about how it would be understood.
	It was something about like how tax dollars were being used.
	And I got so attacked because attacked by your followers.
	Like, I assumed not, you know, of all the things that I've been attacked for, and this I got the most attacked.
	And so I found it funny and interesting.
	And I was like, I think I messaged you, like, what is happening?
	I know, right?
	Yeah.
	What nest have I just gotten myself into?
	And it was cool because we ended up talking, but also in that tweet thread, I ended up apologizing, like not apologizing, but acknowledging that what I said was kind of dumb and off point.
	And people, I got a ton of followers from that.
	You did followers were like mad respect for like acknowledging that.
	I might have to steal this.
	How do I what did you tweet?
	I'll do it.
	I need some followers.
	So I forget you tweeted something about how tax dollars were being used.
	Um, I forget what for.
	And I said, you know, because I'm all caught up in prisons and how much money we use to lock people in cages.
	And I wrote, it's better than spending tax dollars on torturing people in cages.
	But like total non-sequitur from what Ian's original tweet was saying, even though it might be true on its own.
	And people just like launched on me.
	But it, yeah, it ended up kind of working out.
	And we from that Ian, the next snarky tweet you get from me in your replies, it's friendly.
	I'm just, I'm just grifting.
	I know.
	Who the hell is this guy again?
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
	I know who.
	That's awesome.
	Yeah, like, my God.
	You know, people make it like a sport to be snarky.
	Man's like, don't even try.
	Yeah.
	I know.
	Michael Malice is the champion.
	I got my camera working, so I'm going to pop in very shortly.
	Okay.
	I'm also working on it on a tech.
	She'll give you a job at SpaceX.
	Yeah.
	You got a tech issue over there, Nikki?
	So...
	So, yeah, there's just one small thing that I haven't fixed.
	I figured I had to get like an adapter for my camera so it didn't die.
	And I did, I did do that, but my computer is going to die.
	So I need to switch, switch it up.
	Okay.
	The battery's going to die.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But because right now you're on MacBook Air and there's only two inputs.
	Or I'm.
	It's always something.
	Okay.
	I'm going to pop in.
	You would have a MacBook Air.
	Well, but at least it's not like it's not rose gold or anything like that.
	Don't get the wrong idea.
	Yeah.
	You know, my old phone was just old because I had like no, you know, I had no options.
	You know, they were like, oh, we're all out of these models.
	So I'm like, fine, just get the rose goals.
	You know, I got the red phone too.
	I'm 13.
	And I just got like my first iPhone.
	I had that before.
	Yeah.
	I used to have the red phone like, I don't know, 12 years ago, maybe?
	Yeah.
	I love it because you can always find it.
	YouTube album on it or something.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	That fucking thing.
	Jesus.
	Why are they even bothering?
	They're apples.
	I don't need to pay Bono to make music for them, you know?
	Yeah.
	So I was just looking at like a Billboard Top 100 or most successful artist of all time because I was playing this game trying to name who I thought would be on the list.
	And YouTube was way higher than I thought should have been on that list.
	I don't know how you guys feel.
	And no offense if you don't like them that much, but they're pretty mediocre compared to all the kinds of talents.
	Like Michael Jackson.
	They're a greatest hit, man.
	You buy the greatest hits record of YouTube.
	Okay.
	Forget about it.
	Where I'm going with this is I think that that was inflated by that stupid Apple deal.
	I don't think they were going to be on that list if they weren't.
	Oh, yeah.
	If literally every iPod and iPhone in the world didn't have it pre-installed.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And this is how awesome iPod commercials, though, with the silhouettes and like the, you could see the YouTube songs.
	A thousand songs in your pocket.
	A thousand songs in your pocket.
	I think that silhouette was Nikki, wasn't it?
	Wasn't it?
	Wasn't that you, Nikki, and those Apple commercials with the silhouette and the iPod?
	I'm not an NDA for that.
	You should just start claiming that so the real actress gets really pissed off.
	It was me.
	I was the silhouette.
	I bet you whoever did that got bank from, you know, Brazilian.
	I don't know.
	Without a doubt.
	Without a doubt.
	If they had a good, you know, agent, otherwise it's like, oh, it's a one-time thing.
	We're paying you $1,000 and you're fresh out of college, whatever.
	That would be unfortunate.
	I had a friend in college that was working on some of those Apple ads and he was not making good money.
	So no, contractor.
	Doing all those billboards around LA and organizing, getting the models in for the shoots and then putting the billboards up.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I heard that they weren't making a lot of money.
	I shouldn't speak more about that because I'm pretty ignorant.
	I don't really know.
	Maybe.
	Well, you're from Orange County, so like $150,000 is like broke ass.
	It's like nothing.
	You need at least like a quarter million to just break even, right?
	Yeah.
	That wasn't good enough for me.
	It's insane.
	I had to get the hell out of there.
	Did you live in Orange County for a while?
	Ian?
	No, no, no, no.
	I just know a lot of people from there.
	Yeah.
	Did you study in the United States?
	Because your English is like perfecto.
	It's perfect because I'm perfect, you know, that's why.
	Yeah.
	You were talking about language before you joined.
	I bet you had some interesting thoughts on that.
	What other languages do you speak?
	What other languages do I speak?
	I speak a tiny bit of Malay.
	I know a little bit of Mandarin, but English is my primary language.
	Yeah.
	I'm not good at speaking other languages.
	I sound really bad.
	I have, you know how, like, you ever watch a Japanese movie or like an anime and they have like some white character and he's, you know, he's like, he's made to be an American, right?
	But he's speaking Japanese and American accent.
	That's how I sound when I speak different languages.
	I have that twang, you know, and it's just people, people locally, you know, like if people try to hear me speaking some different language, you'll be like, where are you from?
	I'm like, I'm from here.
	What are you talking about?
	And they're like, no, you're not.
	You have like this American thing going on.
	I'm like, Ian, I know what you need to do, man.
	You need to do a fake testimonial video for Rosetta Stone and see if you can get them to retweet it.
	I did not speak a word of English.
	Now I can say paleontologist.
	Maybe that's how we learned it.
	How did you learn it?
	Were you in an international school growing up?
	No, they teach it locally.
	I mean, but I would say my whole family speaks English pretty well.
	Although I'm probably the only one who sounds like this.
	This is something I developed on my own.
	Yeah.
	And you can probably thank TV and having a couple of friends on the internet.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I grew up on the internet.
	If anything, I'm like a child of the internet, right?
	I'm one of those cases where I didn't like people in real life so much.
	Not because I'm like antisocial.
	I'm clearly not antisocial.
	I just think other people kind of suck, you know?
	Right.
	The definition of antisocial.
	Well, that's awesome.
	So what's next, guys?
	How are we saving the world?
	I got this.
	I'm putting together a team.
	I've noticed.
	Called you Avengers, yeah, right?
	Yeah, which one would you be?
	Uh, Iron Man, probably, yeah, makes sense.
	That was fast, wow, yeah, no, it's because of that snark, you know.
	I just relate to that.
	The first Iron's always like he kind of sucks in the later Iron Man.
	So I mean, well, it doesn't really suck.
	I mean, still playing himself, but the first Iron Man is still the best because he actually kills people, you know, like the Taliban just blows him up.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, no calms about it.
	Well, that's true.
	And the superhero movies pop back in.
	Okay.
	And the superhero movies.
	The reason I like the first ones most of the time is because I really enjoy seeing the superhero discover their powers, right?
	Like even the, even the Toby Maguire Spider-Man movie, the first one is my favorite of all the Spider-Man movies ever made.
	Because it's just cool seeing him wake up the next morning after he gets bit by the spider and all of a sudden, you know, he can, he can stand up to the bully.
	Like, I just love that kind of rags to riches, you know, story.
	That's the orange story is always the most compelling part.
	It kind of has to go downhill after there because having superpowers is so logically inconsistent that like every plotline they try and do thereafter is sort of like, well, why can't, why can't Harry Potter just cast a spell and make everyone nice?
	I don't get it.
	Yeah.
	I don't, right?
	Like, how is there still?
	Yeah, having too many superpowers makes it difficult to tell a story.
	I mean, that's why Superman stories are probably the hardest to tell, right?
	You have to give him some sort of weird weakness like Kryptonite, or you have to make it, you know, it becomes like convoluted, like, you know, Batman versus Superman, that movie, Zach Snyder movie.
	It's like, why doesn't Superman just save both people at once?
	I mean, he's faster than speed of light, right?
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's why the origin stories are fun.
	They're still fallible for the first half of it, and everyone loves the origin story.
	Yeah.
	It's also why Batman works compared to other superhero movies or stories because he's basically just a person, right?
	You can't like, I mean, if you, if you write him properly and you do it in the constraints of the universe, so you know, he won't be able to invent a machine that cures cancer, right?
	Even though it's Batman.
	But if, you know, if you give him, in some stories, they give him too many powers.
	So he becomes like the guy who can invent everything and that just becomes stupid.
	It's like, why doesn't he invent a machine that's ends crime, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know quite a lot about this stuff.
	Are you a big superhero movies fan?
	No, I hate superhero movies.
	The reason I watch them is because I want to get irritated.
	I just annoy myself watching them.
	I'm like, why is this so dumb?
	Why doesn't he do that?
	Ian, you're the person I know who knows the most about things they hate.
	Yeah.
	I think that's right.
	Yeah.
	I think that's about right.
	I mean, when's Nicky's birthday?
	You're looking up on IMDB.
	That's true, huh?
	Being on IMDb, no one has any excuse to miss your birthday.
	It's not like, it's not like my friends, there's no way to find out.
	I don't put it anywhere, but the whole world must know yours if they want to.
	No excuse.
	You can go to whitepages.com and get anyone's birthday in the United States.
	I do it all the time.
	Oh, you're admitting to Docs.
	Who the hell is Chase Geyser?
	And why did he send me a birthday card?
	Why is it made in Grand?
	Yeah.
	Facebook ruined birthdays.
	Like they made it so that you never have to remember.
	But now, I don't know about you.
	I never use Facebook.
	So I like two years ago, I forgot my mom's birthday because I think I just like kind of like with phone numbers, you don't have to remember them anymore because they were just there.
	But then I stopped using Facebook and didn't get notifications.
	So oops.
	Yeah, oops.
	I hate Facebook.
	And I loved it.
	I loved Facebook so much 10 years ago.
	It was awesome.
	2011, 2012.
	And they just, they systematically made every wrong decision at every pivotal step.
	And now the whole platform sucks.
	It does suck.
	What happened?
	Like, I just, I know I don't like it.
	I don't, I haven't really sat down to think about why.
	Like, what.
	Did you used to like it?
	I used to use it.
	I mean, I guess, so I went like dark for a few years on social media altogether.
	But when I came back, Google me.
	So, well, when I came back, yeah, I started using Twitter and then later a little bit Instagram, which I don't really, I'm not a huge fan of either.
	It was, so it was more just like intuitive that I, you know, I took to Twitter.
	So that's why I, I don't know, but I just know that I don't like Facebook.
	It's a bad place.
	Okay, let's get specifics here.
	What do you not like about it, Chase?
	Well, I can kind of tell you with some reason why I think Facebook has gone downhill.
	And part of the reason I know about this is just because I'm in advertising.
	It's what I do for a living.
	And when Facebook went public, they basically drastically reduced the organic reach of all posts from pages and business pages, any public page that you like, not profiles, but pages, so that if you want to reach your audience, you have to boost your content.
	And nobody really did that because everybody's on a budget and it was fun because it was free.
	And as a result, the algorithms really took over in terms of showing.
	you content in your newsfeed, whereas before it was based on what you actually followed.
	And it switched and they figured out, they figured out that like, you know, police brutality and politics got a high click-through rate and the algorithm, I think the machine learning just sort of started churning out very politically provocative content.
	And now whenever you watch it.
	They did that on Turkmen.
	That was an experiment.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but they let it go too far.
	You did.
	Yeah.
	And then everybody was just full of hate.
	They were hating their neighbors.
	Like, I hate conservatives or I hate Democrats.
	And it just, they, you know, and that's why he scaled it back.
	I mean, he was like, okay, that's not working.
	And then he had like a Zen moment.
	Remember that?
	When he went for like some yoga thing, you know, and he was like, okay, yeah, this is like, yeah, it's like, this is super bad.
	We can't be doing this.
	You know, it's actually, you know, making the world a worst place and we don't want to do this.
	And then he put out like a, this huge statement.
	I think it was like in a new year or something, right?
	Remember that?
	Yeah.
	It's like, okay, nothing changed.
	No, nothing really changed.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he wanted it to change.
	The thing that's crazy, too, is like the thing that is so menacing about Facebook to me is that it makes you hate people that you used to love because you know everybody on Facebook.
	So like I have like I have like in like, for example, my favorite English teacher in junior high.
	I have loved that guy.
	And I still love the guy.
	So if he's listening, Jesus Christ, don't take this the wrong way.
	But every time I see him post about politics, which is every time he posts, it makes me like him less.
	And this guy was an outstanding teacher.
	He taught me how to read some of the most influential books.
	We had great, like, he, you know, called on people and he was great at responding to their thoughts and ideas.
	I mean, he was sort of like a dead poet society type teacher.
	But like, imagine if Robin Williams in that movie was like, you know, a little bit of a Marxist.
	So then like when all the kids went back to the rooms, logged on to Facebook, you know, they saw him posting all this like bullshit.
	You know, it would just totally kill your buzz, you know, with the guy.
	And that's kind of what I think is menacing about Facebook is that, you know, people that you otherwise love or would like to be around, you know, their politics can suddenly get in the way.
	It's like politics coming up at a dinner table.
	Or personal things coming up that aren't necessarily within the context of your relationship with someone.
	Right.
	Like it, you know, people post so many different types of things and you might just, I don't know.
	Like I used to meet people and they'd be like, are you on Facebook?
	Like that was a, instead of asking for a number, like that was something that you did.
	But so do your friend request.
	What's that?
	Hey, girl.
	Hey, girl, send you a friend request.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So funny.
	I like that movie, The Social Network, though.
	I really enjoyed it.
	I don't know how accurate it was, but I thought it was inspiring.
	You know, the sort of like start with nothing, even though starting with nothing means being a student at Harvard in that movie and building something amazing and, you know, kind of bootstrapping it.
	It was sort of like a beautiful mind, you know, with the chalk on the window thing.
	I just like that whole idea of it.
	And then it just totally went to shit.
	I think it's part of it was.
	Oregon is pretty badass in terms of storytelling.
	I kind of have an ethical problem, though, with making movies like that about real life without the people being involved.
	Like, I don't know if there's a movie that just came out about Ross Ulbricht.
	And I'm not, I don't plan on watching it.
	But again, like, if the person that it's about isn't involved, like I remember watching the social network and thinking that actor was Mark Zuckerberg.
	Like not, I knew he wasn't, but like viscerally in my feeling about Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg, I'd see that actor.
	And like it is fiction, but we're, you know, we're flawed perceptual perception meaning-making machines.
	And so I think it's, it's not the most responsible thing.
	It's like Queen, right?
	They made that queen movie that was completely, you know, unsanctioned.
	Was that he couldn't even get his music, right?
	We're talking about the Freddy Mercury one.
	The Freddy Mercury one, yeah.
	The Freddy Mercury one.
	And the trailer was just garbage because he couldn't use his music.
	And the whole thing was just like some droning, ambient, you know, classical-ish music playing over the whole thing.
	It was just garbage completely.
	They couldn't get the music for the trailer, but they got it for the movie.
	The whole freaking movie.
	Yeah.
	But was the rest of the movie particularly factually inaccurate?
	It was timeline is off.
	It was off.
	It's completely awful.
	A lot of the fans are actually pointing it out and documentarians, people who studied his life, they were like, oh, no, this is completely wrong.
	This never happened.
	This is fiction.
	This is made up.
	This is completely sensationalized.
	And so it just wasn't good.
	I mean, who is this movie for?
	Because you take Freddie Mercury.
	He's someone that everybody likes or loves even.
	And you make a terrible movie that puts him in a bad light.
	It's like, who is this for?
	I mean, the fans are not going to watch it.
	The fans don't want to watch it.
	The family hates it.
	It's like, you're not, like, obviously, no one's going to support it.
	People who watched it pirated it.
	They didn't want to watch it.
	I liked it, but I didn't know enough about him to be critical of the inaccuracies.
	I just thought it was a fun movie.
	Yeah, I mean, it's easy.
	It's entertaining, yeah.
	I didn't feel like I could get over the teeth.
	That was really distracting just in the previews.
	That guy could eat an apple through a picket fence.
	Pickles right out of the jar.
	Mickey, I agree with you about, you know, it's okay to do a dramatization.
	Obviously, you want to make stories compelling.
	Like, the American sniper one, I'm assuming that was the, they really checked with that guy, and they got it pretty close.
	And they did it justice.
	The guy was dead.
	Right?
	And all that stuff.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's a good point.
	But they checked with the family.
	They checked with the family.
	You don't screw that one up.
	But at a certain point, if the people are living, and you don't consult with them at all, I think we kind of have to assume some of the intention is propagandistic.
	You're trying to rewrite a narrative, right?
	Yeah.
	The Megyn Kelly one, I haven't seen it yet, but she kind of railed on it.
	Like, this was just not my sentiment at all.
	Oh, bombshell?
	Bombshell?
	Bombshell, yeah.
	It looks like garbage.
	I mean, it looks like hot garbage.
	It just uses these women and what they experience with their, you know, what they told and then sensationalize it, makes it this drama about Fox News.
	I mean, this is clearly an anti-Fox News thing.
	It's not even necessarily about the guy who ran at Roger Ailes, right?
	It's more about, well, let's attack the network.
	And she was kind of upset about, Megyn Kelly's kind of a hearty girl, woman.
	She's a hearty woman.
	It doesn't easily get upset.
	Not trying to downplay anything that happened to her, but her, she, from what I understand, she just kind of shrugged it off or at least, you know, got over it.
	But they depicted it as being this, like, traumatic thing.
	Again, I haven't seen the movie.
	But her quibble with it was like, what was the point of that?
	Who did that help?
	All you did was set an example for people that I need to be traumatized or that, you know, that's what always happens versus it could have been a very positive message, which is she's tough as nails and didn't let it get her down and went on to be kind of a badass, right?
	Yeah, she's tough as nails, right?
	I don't know.
	The caster is a victim.
	The caster is a victim.
	She's trying to hide it.
	And it's like, they're basically, Hollywood is, you know, creating this narrative that women are only victims.
	Even the strong women can only ever be victims.
	I mean, they did the same thing with Ann Coulter when they were making that Law & Order episode, that SVU episode where they cast her as, like, a rape victim.
	You know, she's speaking at some conference and then some Proud Boy rates her.
	It's like, obviously fiction.
	There was a Proud Boy?
	There was a Proud Boy, yeah.
	There was a Proud Boy.
	How is that non-propaganda?
	It's so propagandistic, right?
	By the way, Kyle's a Republican.
	He's pretending to be Antifa.
	It's like, you know, this is typical Hollywood shit, right?
	It's like, this never happens in real life.
	I mean, you look at Antifa, it's like, oh yeah, it's a whole pack of degenerates.
	I mean, there's nothing redeemable about them, but somehow you're going to go after, like, the Proud Boy because, you know, the media calls them racist or big or something.
	You know, I just met my first group of Proud Boys.
	I was at a political event in South Florida and we were walking out and all these guys had these pseudo biker vest things on and they had patches on the back and it said Proud Boys.
	So I walked up to them.
	I said, are you guys Proud Boys?
	That's pretty cool.
	You're kind of always in the news.
	I'm not really sure how I should feel.
	Are you violent people?
	But they were really nice.
	What about violent people?
	Yeah.
	Talk about the flyer.
	The flyer, yes.
	He goes, hey, bro, before you leave here, I want to give you a flyer.
	So I took the flyer and it's like a promotional flyer for the Proud Boys.
	It gives you a bunch of information about them and, you know, everything you'd want to know.
	And at the very top of the thing, it just says, we are not white supremacists.
	Nice.
	That's the most important thing they want to convey to you.
	They're definitely not.
	I mean, you look at the makeup of their, you know, the demographics.
	I mean, you've got a lot of Hispanic people.
	There's like a handful of Asians in there.
	It's like, how are these guys white supremacists?
	They are Western chauvinists.
	That's what they call themselves.
	And the point is, yeah, they're proud of being, you know, Western.
	If any of them are watching this, I'm not trying to denigrate you at all.
	But my sense of the thing is that it's a bunch of boneheads.
	Bunch of young men, maybe a little bit too old.
	It's too big to make that sort of a radical blanket, I think, claim about him.
	I think there's all sorts.
	I mean, McKinns is not a bonehead.
	That dude is very smart, the founder.
	I know, but the story behind it was it was a joke and he wanted to punch people in a bar.
	You know, and they like getting in fights and they're young men that want to get in fights.
	Yeah, maybe that's what we need.
	I mean, look at this society that we live in.
	It's weak.
	It's the society that you live in.
	I don't live in America.
	It's all this soy boy shit.
	you know.
	I mean, like, no, I'm not saying people need to go out and fight or something, but I think that having a bit of aggression, like that 1980s style machoism, is fine, you know, but somehow it's been dumbed down.
	It's like, oh, that's toxic masculinity.
	Even being masculine at all is a bad thing.
	I mean, you have men apologizing for things they never did.
	I mean, people accuse me of shit all the time.
	I'm like, and why are you apologizing?
	Yeah.
	I'm like, why should I?
	I didn't do it, you know, or I don't feel bad about it.
	So fuck you.
	You know, I mean, that's my response.
	The Western chauvinist moniker is very obviously a troll in response to everybody sort of catastrophizing toxic masculinity.
	By the way, the guys that I met weren't particularly masculine.
	They were about as masculine as the three of us.
	It wasn't like they were like super jacked.
	That's too bad.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we need more people who are jacked and also did they live in a villain mansion?
	Yeah, no, none of them do.
	I don't know whether the founder, I mean, he's rich as hell, right?
	I don't know whether he lives in a villain mansion.
	He probably does, you know, probably does.
	Gavin?
	Gavin, yeah.
	I like McKinnon.
	I like it.
	They took him off the spot off Spotify when, or not, I don't know if they took him off Spotify, but I don't think they transferred the Joe Rogan episodes where he was the guest.
	Oh, yeah, they deleted that.
	Yeah, they were like, oh, it's a technical error.
	We just removed it.
	And, you know, I think Alex Jones was talking to Rebel News about this, you know, because they interviewed him about Joe Rogan, strangely enough.
	And they're like, so what's the deal with all the Joe Rogan Spotify episodes?
	And my understanding, I think, well, Alex Jones explained was that there are all these activist types working for Spotify who took real personal issue with those particular episodes.
	And so they removed them and then they told Rogan's team.
	Obviously, he didn't believe them.
	They said that, oh, it's a technical glitch that, you know, these episodes are somehow missing.
	It's taken eight months to fix.
	Yeah, taking eight months to fix.
	And, you know, they tried banning him once.
	And none of this, you know, all this goes over the heads of the people actually making the calls, right?
	I mean, the executives who sign the contracts, the technical department, none of these people are involved.
	I mean, they like Joe Rogan just fine.
	It's the activists who are in charge of moderation.
	They are the ones who have the issue with Joe Rogan and these particular episodes because they want to dominate the sphere, right?
	They want to dominate the conversation.
	They can't allow wrong thinkers like Alex Jones or Gavin McInnes to have a voice.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's crazy how, you know, I experienced this a little bit in other organizations that I've been a part of, where you have sort of the principles of the organization and then you have the people who actually compose it, right?
	And when there is an overwhelming amount of consensus within any group, then the rules at a certain point become irrelevant.
	So for example, if in the United States there was like 90% consensus that the Second Amendment was a bad idea, you'd start seeing unconstitutional stuff pass like in legislation and it would happen.
	And so it's just, well, I think what we see with big tech and with the media is that we've got these hyper-urban based businesses with very homogenous demographics within them who have very similar political views, lifestyles.
	And we're seeing that play out in a way that is kind of just shining on the bias.
	Yep.
	They're speaking outside of the norm, right?
	Outside of the accepted, like the Overton window, what they're saying is unacceptable.
	But, you know, in a way, they are, I think they are moving the Overton window, which is a good thing.
	I mean, we should not be afraid to do so, right?
	We're speaking, you know, I hate to use that term, speaking truth to power, but that's exactly what people like us are doing, which is ironic given that, you know, the left is always claiming that they're speaking truth to power, that they are saying something that is politically unacceptable.
	They're the heroes, the martyrs, they're saying all the brave things.
	And, you know, and we are just, you know, Mark Hamill tweeting that you're part of the resistance every day.
	Yeah.
	Like, my guy, you're like a famous actor.
	What are you talking about?
	Are you part of the resistance when literally, you know, what 30% of America agrees with you?
	Like, come on.
	You and Nike, you guys are the resistance.
	It's like, Luke, your dad was six months away from figuring out how to solve death.
	We're doing this again, man.
	You ruined everything.
	He was making mad progress.
	Wow.
	So do you think that Disney ruined Star Wars?
	Yes.
	Kind of like Kennedy ruined Star Wars.
	Nikki.
	I don't have an opinion.
	I'm not very invested in Star Wars.
	You don't like sci-fi?
	No, I'm very biased about the sci-fi that I like.
	Yeah.
	What's your favorite sci-fi?
	Besides Battlestar?
	Yeah.
	I mean, between Star Wars and Star Trek, I like Star Trek better.
	That's smart.
	The writing's better.
	Yeah, I mean, and I, yeah, I don't watch, I don't watch much sci-fi.
	I like sci-fi books.
	Um, what's your favorite book?
	Ursula Kale Gwyn and Heinlein and people Isaac Asimov, what Ursi, yeah, it's a good book.
	Yeah, and yeah, I read the cannicles of uh, I read the cannacles of Leibowitz this year.
	Have you guys ever read that book?
	No, I think I told you to read it.
	No, you didn't.
	I googled the greatest sci-fi novels of all time, and that was on every list.
	I don't know.
	Maybe I didn't.
	It was like a big book.
	I was in this, I was in a music theory class, and it was like placed in a too low of a class.
	So I would sit in the back of the room and read Game of Thrones every day.
	And the teacher would scold me about it, but then she kind of got the gist that I was just, I was misplaced.
	I shouldn't have been in that class.
	And so she came in with Canticle of Leibowitz and said, here, just read a better book because you're reading trash.
	And so that's when I read it.
	And it's a really good thing.
	It's good, but it's a little dated in that it's very easy for a 21st century reader to know what the end is going to be.
	Whereas when it came out, I think it was kind of groundbreaking.
	It was like a huge twist, you know?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So, yeah, some of that sci-fi stuff.
	But I'm excited for the Dune movie to come out.
	I was so pissed off that HBO postponed it a year.
	That's kind of the case with a lot of books.
	Isn't HBO just awesome?
	Yeah.
	Are they doing a lot of comments?
	Yeah, they make a lot of great fiction.
	That's for sure.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They're well known for their fiction.
	Yeah.
	That's for sure.
	I mean, the dog demands especially.
	Got a joke about it.
	Yeah.
	But that is the case with a lot of books that you read in high school, but they were written 20 years ago and they've become so much part of these leitgeists that like when I read George Orwell, it wasn't particularly profound.
	I was like, duh.
	But that's because everything that he wrote had sort of seeped into the culture.
	And by the time I read it, it sounded like old hat.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	You said this a lot.
	I mean, that's all I got.
	Like, I mean, I think that the 2000s were colored with Catcher and Arai, you know, when everybody was being all hipster and cool and epithetic and not giving a shit about anything.
	Remember that?
	Everybody's a phony man.
	Everybody's a phony.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Everyone was dreaming that.
	That was like a thing, right?
	And it even became like the subject of an anime, right?
	Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex and a bit nerdy reference there.
	But that whole show, at least the first season, was all about Catcher and Arai, right?
	I mean, you had an epithetic society that was just giving into surveillance state and allowing themselves to be manipulated by the media.
	I mean, that's the whole idea of the standalone complex is that everyone's manipulated by the media into acting and behaving in a certain way.
	I mean, like, if anything, I would say January 6th is an example of a standalone complex because it's like a whole bunch of different people believing that they can come together and do something, can enact some sort of change, right?
	So it was very fascinating to actually see that happen in the real world where it's like, wow, it's just as, you know, just people described it.
	I mean, the anime.
	I think everyone from January 6th should have gotten on TV the day after and said, we were just inspired by Black Lives Matter and we owe everything we can.
	I mean, they definitely were.
	They definitely were, right?
	I mean, the media.
	We saw them doing it.
	We were.
	Yeah, the media basically said, oh, there's going to be zero consequences to your actions, right?
	The police are not going to arrest you.
	You know, as long as you don't like take a gun and shoot somebody, no one's going to arrest you.
	You're going to be fine.
	Well, that was a lie, you know, because the media is basically one-sided.
	Yeah, if you're on the left, you can absolutely loot, sorry, liberate reparations from a Nike store, right?
	But you can't, you know, protest your government.
	How dare you?
	They should.
	They arrest like 500 people, right?
	Yeah.
	And they're all in solitary.
	Have they pressed charges yet?
	Yeah, they have.
	Yeah.
	There's a few.
	They're all in solitary because they're worried that they're going to be abused by the other inmates.
	Or are they worried about, are they just doing this?
	Because they're so-called white supremacists, so they don't care, right?
	They're not even charging some of them.
	They're just sitting in solitary doing nothing.
	And that's why, you know, you have Vladimir Putin raising concerns about them.
	And it's kind of a shame that he, I mean, obviously he's playing games.
	He's playing political games.
	Let's not make any mistakes here.
	But it's sad that, you know, it takes someone like him or Xi Jinping to come out and say, oh, yeah, look at what you're doing to your people.
	You know, I mean, like, thanks, Biden.
	Why did you do this?
	You gave them ammunition.
	You know, you gave them a lot of ammunition to do this.
	I have this image of them down in solitary confinement.
	And Nancy Pelosi goes down the steps every day and gives them each a magic quill.
	And they must write, I must not tell lies over and over.
	And then cuts it into the back of their hands.
	It's like Harry Potter.
	I just think I got Harry Potter.
	Yeah.
	That's what it is.
	What if we got a bunch of patriots together?
	And we all put on George Floyd t-shirts and just broke him out of prison.
	And they say, if you're listening, he's not serious.
	It's a joke.
	No, no.
	I have a bleeding disorder.
	I'm never bringing anybody out of prison.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But they'll take your fat posting jokes as a means to shut you down.
	That's what they do, right?
	That's all about Facebook saying that, oh, if you know any extremists, report them here.
	It's like, thanks for becoming a Stasi Facebook.
	What are you guys doing?
	I never got that notification and I just came to the conclusion that it's because I'm the extremist.
	Steve, yeah, I never actually got the notification.
	People who follow me got that notification.
	I'm like, wait a second.
	Why are you guys getting it?
	We're all folding the same pages here.
	Yeah.
	I just, you know, and people try to pin the whole January 6th thing, which, you know, I think it was embarrassing.
	I think it was complicated.
	It was complicated.
	It's, you know, it wasn't just Trump supporters.
	There was, there were definitely some anti, some in a small way, Antifa members involved or just agitators involved.
	And obviously with the rebel news reporting that, you know, we know that the FBI at least had agents that were involved.
	I don't know if they were instigators themselves, but they were certainly within that.
	Yeah.
	But people try to blame it on President Trump's speech or his just rhetoric.
	And I think that they missed the point.
	And I've said this before, that the reason people didn't believe the results of the election is because the media lied so much about Trump the whole entire four years that when the election results came in, nobody was going to believe them.
	Yeah.
	And look at it now.
	I mean, you have Eric Adams running for mayor in New York City and they're doing an audit of the election there because they feel like 135,000 ballots were injected into the election to vote against him.
	I mean, like, okay, I mean, if they themselves are admitting that this is a thing that can happen, that would mean that at least, you know, at least some of Trump's claims, you know, or at least his concerns.
	Yeah, Ian, you couldn't ask for a better example for this thing because what they admitted was that it literally was human error.
	There was no flaw in the machine.
	There was no malicious intent.
	It was human error.
	And that completely proves our point, which is this shit is so vulnerable that a dummy at his keyboard trying to edit the database could topple the whole thing.
	So if the system is vulnerable to human error, both sides are going to do this every single election.
	That's the problem.
	That's the problem.
	That's why we have election integrity laws.
	That's why Arizona just passed their new election integrity law.
	And guess what?
	The Democrats opposed it, right?
	They had to go to the Supreme Court because the Democrats tried to shut it down.
	And the Supreme Court was like, no, this doesn't actually violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
	I mean, it's fine.
	It doesn't actually disenfranchise anyone.
	If anything, it strengthens voting rights.
	And it makes sure that your votes are secure and legitimate.
	And so why is it that the Democrats are still opposed to this?
	You would think that after Trump won in 2016, I mean, they were at the time, they were the ones asking for it.
	And now that they won in 2020, they are claiming that it's undemocratic to even question the election.
	It's like, no, it's not.
	It's one thing.
	Literally every country on earth does it.
	You guys did it for four years.
	One thing that really I was disappointed in Trump in, though, was on election night at like 3 a.m.
	You know, his speech comes out and he's like, this is total bullshit, basically.
	It's like, all right, it might be, but there's no way you know that yet.
	And so like, I was just kind of like, come on.
	Like, he's just, you know, like, he could have come out and he could have been like, listen, you know, we're, there's some very interesting things that happened with the vote count that we have questions about.
	We're not doubting any of the authenticity of election integrity or any of the poll workers or anything like that, but we're definitely going to take measures to double check to make sure that votes were accurate.
	He could have said something like that and it would have been much more.
	In a way that's like reasonable, right?
	So that when anybody goes against him, they look like the crazy people.
	It's all about the optics game, right?
	It's like he could basically be saying the exact same thing, asking for the exact same things without going crazy, without going off the rails.
	And people will be like, oh, yeah, that seems like a reasonable request.
	I mean, he's not acting crazy.
	He's just like voicing.
	But also that people expect him to be crazy.
	Like that, that's also why people love him and they get riled up and they feel impassioned.
	And I think a lot of people support him because he said shit like that.
	So you know.
	And I think a lot of, yeah, and some of the praise Trump gets about being a like a hard hitter is actually just another way of saying that he gets out in front and fights a propaganda war before fighting an actual facts and logic.
	He's definitely proactive.
	He's he's not just proactive all the way.
	But that's a euphemism for fighting a propaganda.
	What he saw that night going down was, I'm going to get out ahead of this and establish such a strong narrative that there's no way that they won't do an audit for me because I've got the narrative sentence going.
	I got so many people believe in this.
	And so he goes out and he fights this propaganda.
	His first instinct is, I got to get public sentiment on my side before we try and do any of the rational stuff, like talk about what actually went wrong.
	Right.
	Now, that's sort of his MO.
	And that is probably one of my least favorite characteristics about Donald Trump is that instinct to go straight for the winning over the public sentiment before trying to make a rational argument.
	That's what the Democrats do, though.
	And I think you knew that's how I know you love it.
	I think we don't see eye to eye on that.
	And we'll have to flesh it out sometime.
	But you want to do a lot of things.
	Is it that you love it, Chase, or is it that you see that it's effective?
	It's effective.
	It's effective.
	I love it sometimes.
	Like on an emotional level, I love it, even though I don't agree with it.
	Right.
	You know, in terms of my values and rationally.
	So like emotionally, I thought it was very appealing the way that Trump behaved.
	But when I step back from what, you know, like, and when I was, when I was watching the insurrection stuff on, I don't like to call it an insurrection, but when I was watching the January 6th, when I was watching the January 6th stuff, despite the fact that I think it's embarrassing and it was wrong what happened and what they did, there was a part of me emotionally that was like, fuck yeah, Pelosi's in lockdown for the first time during this whole day.
	You know, like there's a part of me that was riled up and excited about it.
	So, you know, it's not, you can, you can have sort of, you can sort of land on both sides, but you have to make, you know, decisions based on your mind, not your heart.
	Yeah.
	And I guess that's what I mean.
	Yeah, being able to have the self-awareness to acknowledge that you have certain feelings or something's compelling based on a visceral reaction, but also be able to make decisions and recognize that doesn't mean it's good.
	You know, but I think that's the issue with most of the country is people are just not self-aware and they're driven by their emotions.
	And then the second thing they're doing is trying to justify it with their intellect, you know, as opposed to having them be separate mechanisms and unrelated and using your intellect to be aware of your emotions.
	People are driven by their emotions and then making decisions and actions and then justifying it using the mind.
	So Nikki, do you think that in the last year since we've been locked down and we haven't had sports to kind of let out some of that tribalist impulse and get all emotional about something else that it's sort of been channeled into politics at a greater level?
	Maybe that's not, I mean, yeah, that's that's an interesting theory.
	Being someone who's not super into sports, it's not like I can't necessarily relate to that, but that makes sense to me.
	I'm seeing a lot of people get their emotional yahas out on tribalism expressed through politics when maybe some of that was displaced in the past.
	Maybe people went to movies and got their yahoos out.
	Yeah, when they canceled golf, I resorted to crime.
	Right.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I like get your ya yas out.
	I believe that.
	I don't know where that came from.
	But yeah, I mean, people having to be creative to get their ya yas out.
	I'm going to say after this, they'll go, oh my God, I said ya's in front of me.
	I can't fucking believe it, bro.
	Of all the things.
	Yeah.
	Well, we definitely, Nikki, I know you've had some firsthand experience with that, with all this bullshit with Nexium and HBO.
	Like I saw it a little bit after our last interview with like the comments and stuff that come out where people are clearly reacting emotionally and like, she's an occult.
	You know, she's so brainwashed, I can't believe it.
	And it's like, it's, it's, it's because the, the, if, the emotional manipulation of the media and documentaries is so strong that if if if people in and it just doesn't really I don't think it has much to do with intelligence As much as it has to do with intention, because I get caught up in it too for just various things.
	I can tell that I'm like being influenced just by what I consume on a subconscious level.
	And you have to consciously decide in like a hyper-aware state that you're going to rationally think through something before, right?
	So, like during the pandemic, for example, I would get so frustrated at like the panic among friends and family.
	And I was like, I'm like, looking at the numbers, I'm like, this doesn't really add up.
	It's like, it's not like the Spanish flu.
	It's not, you know, but everyone's freaking out and all the toilet paper's gone.
	It's like, this is an emotional response.
	It's kind of, you know, there's something adventurous feeling about it.
	Like, it's like the wasteland, you know, it's like Matt Max.
	It's, it's posted all the movies and zombie movies.
	I mean, we've been raised on the diet of zombie movies for like the past 15 years or so, right?
	So it's like, finally, my time has come.
	I can put on my gas mask.
	I mean, everybody went out and bought a gas mask with property.
	I rented contagion right away.
	I was getting into it.
	That's not my movie.
	Me too.
	Yeah, I love that movie.
	Yeah, I watched it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm like, I've got to watch contagion.
	Yeah.
	I was like, oh shit.
	I've never seen contagion.
	You should definitely watch it.
	Yeah.
	It was a lot of fun in the beginning of the pandemic.
	I couldn't get anyone to watch it.
	I kept telling people, but they were scared to the point that they were like, no, why would I ever watch something about, you know, they were like scaring themselves.
	I mean, they would watch the news, which is off course far worse than watching contagion.
	At least contagion gives you some hope.
	You know, it's like there's a tunnel.
	Contagion really spotted early on that what would happen would we'd have a lot of misinformation and people grifting off the misinformation.
	That's what was going on.
	It took a fair amount of foresight.
	I thought that was insightful of them to predict that that's how it would play out.
	And then you got Jude Law character.
	Yeah.
	Government overreach was another topic in it.
	You know, it really got to the heart of it.
	And it was also very interesting to watch all of these words from contagion instantly make their way into the public lexicon.
	Everyone just immediately started saying our naught and that was contagion.
	Yeah.
	They even explored in the movie.
	It was science.
	What's our naught?
	What are you talking about?
	R0 productive rate for the virus.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So an R naught of one would be like the flu, right?
	So one person will definitely spread it to another one human being, right?
	So eventually one, one, one, one, one, one, one.
	But if it's above one, then you know, it's going to reproduce faster.
	Like the delta variants is way faster.
	It's got a higher R naught than the regular one.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so early on in the pandemic, one of the big stories was just what's the R naught of this virus?
	We got to know because it's either going to grow exponentially, maybe it's going to grow linearly and will stand a chance of flattening the curve.
	And everyone was talking about R0.
	And I was like, I already know what this is.
	I watched Contagion.
	Little did you know, the scientists from the Wuhan lab actually were producers, investors on contagion.
	It started that long ago so that they could control the narrative.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Contagion was a Chinese psyop.
	Right.
	Is that the right word?
	Psyop.
	Members of the board, we've hit a little bit of a lull in streams.
	What can we do?
	I heard you got that.
	I heard you got a lab.
	Why don't you just leave the door open?
	Monkeys.
	That's a good one.
	I didn't see that one.
	Oh, you should see it.
	Yeah, it's the same thing.
	It's about a virus that just goes out of control and then kills a bunch of people.
	And then Bruce Willis got sent back in time to stop it from happening and he encounters a very insane.
	Is it Brad Pitt?
	I think it's Brad Pitt, right?
	Is it a movie?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	He's definitely in World War Z, which is a zombie, but similar.
	Yeah.
	If the next pandemic turns everybody into a zombie, we'll know that the CCP is just recycling Hollywood movies.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I just looked up.
	They steal everything else.
	I just looked up Fauci contagion movie.
	I just looked it up and it's got an interview with Anthony Fauci from 2011 where he said, and I quote, it's one of the most accurate movies I have seen on infectious disease outbreaks of any type.
	Let's be careful here.
	There you go.
	We won't go.
	Yeah, we're not increasing territory.
	We're not going to say anything about Fauci.
	You know, he's a good man.
	Okay.
	But, but it's very curious.
	Hell of a guy.
	Hell of a guy.
	And he actually reviewed Contagion.
	That was, that's pretty cool.
	Yeah.
	That's actually pretty cool.
	Yeah.
	Man, I like 28 Days Later is my favorite in that ballpark.
	I think that it was just awesome.
	Yeah.
	But it's all these people being stupid, right?
	Like that movie irritated the shit out of me because it's like, guys, just stay in the fucking zone.
	Like, why are you going outside?
	You know, like, what are you guys doing?
	Who are you angry at?
	The fictional characters or the writers of your movie?
	The writers, the writers.
	It's like, I got it.
	And 28 Days Later was actually a lot worse than 28 Days Later, right?
	Because 28 Days was like kind of understandable.
	It just happens, right?
	But 28 weeks later, it's like, oh, yeah, we got the shit under control.
	You got camps set up.
	You know, we basically terminated the virus.
	It's almost done, you know.
	And then some fucking kids go to a city to play.
	Like, yeah, what are you doing?
	Totally unrealistic.
	Did you see Zombieland?
	Bill Murray is not going to make it.
	Totally unrealistic.
	Yeah, unrealistic.
	At least that's like a tongue-in-cheek movie, tongue-in-cheek movie.
	Yeah, it's true.
	All these other movies, though, it's always like the character, you know, or the characters are doing something really, really stupid.
	Like all of the, you know, off the dead movies, right?
	It's always some guy doing something really dumb and getting everybody else killed.
	Like, yeah.
	Why?
	Like, like the latest movie, the one that's on Netflix right now, the Zack Snyder one, which is, I mean, it's good, it's entertaining, right?
	It's fun.
	But it's like the daughter character, it's like, what the fuck is your problem?
	Why do you have to go rescue these immigrant women?
	Like, what is your issue?
	Stay inside.
	And I blame her for all their deaths.
	She basically everybody dies because she can't stay.
	About the things he hates.
	That's true.
	Wasn't there a mandated.
	Wasn't there a mandated lockdown?
	Are you sure?
	Are you sure you weren't George Costanza in a previous life?
	Ian?
	Oh, yeah.
	We live in a society.
	Okay.
	Serenity now.
	It's people.
	It's just the writers.
	It's like they know how to piss people off.
	And I think that's what keeps people going because it creates drama, right?
	But I mean, if you're really smart, if you're like a really good writer, you're not going to create tension that way.
	You're going to do it in a way that's organic in a way that doesn't require characters doing something really, really stupid.
	Just so on the nose.
	And yeah, like, yeah, it's like, okay, you guys are lazy.
	You know, like you're lazy.
	You don't know how to get the characters in tough situations.
	So you just have one of them just fuck up.
	It's like, what are you doing?
	I wish somebody talented would make a zombie movie that was from a single zombie's perspective the whole time.
	So this zombie the whole time is just kind of like walking around and going into different rooms.
	It's like a city or whatever.
	No, no, no.
	You can write it.
	You can write it.
	Like looking for a date, like seeing a single zombie going on.
	On zombie Tinder.
	But like, wouldn't it be cool if like you just sort of followed this zombie around and like throughout the movie, the zombie would find a group of people and just say, you could still make it thrilling if you were a good writer.
	I could Black Summer, which is pretty good.
	It's on Netflix.
	It's two seasons now.
	I think the new season just came out.
	I don't know if you've seen it, but the characters are nameless and they don't really have any dialogue, but it's like a group of random survivors surviving the zombie apocalypse.
	And they don't really do anything stupid.
	It's more like the situation is so rough and so difficult for them that they have to kind of do everything they can to survive.
	And it's actually kind of compelling because they don't give these characters any sort of real, you know, like they don't caricaturize them, right?
	They just make them real people.
	Like, oh, this guy's a bus driver.
	This guy's a teacher.
	This guy is a gym teacher.
	This one's a student, a female student.
	It's like, you know, it's just like very just regular people surviving.
	And it's actually really, really good compared to, you know, shit like Z Nation, which is like, oh man, this is so campy.
	It's garbage.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Those are definitely my favorite kinds of dystopian movies is you use the dystopia as a pretense to put the characters in an extreme situation.
	And then the movie's really about character development.
	It's a human story and not a zombie story.
	Yep.
	Exactly.
	I mean, a lot of people say this.
	I know I'm biased, but I think Battlestar succeeded in that way too.
	Like it happens to be sci-fi and it's in space, but it's really more about the characters.
	It's more of a drama.
	That's what I tell everyone when I recommend it.
	First episode of that series is so badass.
	The mini series.
	Yeah, the mini first episode in the series is amazing, right?
	Just they think he's about ready.
	Damn it's about ready to retire.
	The whole show is just about a guy trying to retire.
	God damn it.
	I guess I'll do another mission.
	So can I ask you some like fan stuff about the show?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's been a minute.
	So yeah, who's your favorite character?
	What do you mean my first?
	Not your own character.
	Yeah, definitely guys Baltar.
	Oh, yeah.
	He was such a good actor.
	People so good.
	Yeah, exactly.
	My dad hated him.
	I made my dad watch it.
	He was actually so unlikeable, right?
	He's like, that's what I loved about him.
	Like a psychopath.
	Yeah, he's great.
	Yeah.
	I liked him a lot.
	I actually related to him in the first two seasons.
	I like that.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's good.
	He's a good character.
	I mean, he's like, and he was not written like that.
	Like, if you read the script, the original, like the mini-series script, it did not read on the page that much of a character.
	Like, James Callis, the actor, really brought that character to life in that way.
	And then the writers kind of fed off that.
	But that's something that's something that I think that puppy dog look.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah, totally, totally.
	It's like how every whipped guy looks.
	Whatever you want, babe, whatever you want.
	That was what was like irritating about him, right?
	It's like, you know, he comes off to other people as a strong person.
	Debian God, Gaius.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But his machine.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so then you might have just answered this question for me, but which character was most unlike the actor that portrayed them?
	That I would just be so surprised, like, oh, that person's actually filling the blank.
	Well, Apollo is British.
	Oh, really?
	So actually, that makes a lot of sense.
	He did pronounce words a little weird.
	And I thought he had a kind of, yeah, just a little bit off.
	And I thought he had a speech thing.
	Fair enough.
	I'm trying to think.
	I don't think there's anyone.
	Sorry?
	I just said fake ass TV actors.
	Yeah.
	Just tease a Nikki.
	I don't know that anyone is like so different.
	I mean, Eddie almost really was a lot like his character.
	Like he would give us speeches, you know, at the lunch table about like, this is going to change your life.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about the stash?
	Was the stash real in season three?
	Yeah.
	What's the stash?
	I forgot.
	He grew a mustache.
	Because time went by.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I used to shave.
	I was going to shave mine before the show, but I was like kind of lazy.
	So I was like, nah.
	Did Apollo actually gain all that weight for the role?
	No, he had a fat suit.
	He had a fat suit.
	That's awesome.
	I figured.
	Yeah.
	I actually got pregnant, though.
	Just kidding.
	Oh.
	It was like, what?
	Oh, man.
	Sex cold victim claims to be impregnated.
	That's like the only thing, the only take.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	You need to investigate DSG now.
	You know, like what else went on in the set?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It was pretty scandalous.
	No, not really.
	Okay, that's all the questions I got there.
	That's all you got.
	Yeah.
	Everything's been answered for you.
	Yeah.
	So, so, Nikki, I don't know if you, I don't know if you want to talk about it or not.
	So we don't have to, but I know that there's sort of some things in the works.
	Did you wanted to mention anything that's going on with any of the cases or any of that stuff?
	So I am endeavoring on a very interesting project that I'll be speaking more about soon, which is I'm partnering with someone who has been kind of an arch nemesis throughout this story to investigate the truth and investigate the due process and how the government handled it.
	So we're putting our differences aside and we're investigating whether the government violated due process rights in being able to get these convictions.
	Now, obviously, I have my opinions from my firsthand experience and what I know to be true, but I also understand because there's so much prejudice and hate and misinformation that, you know, the most important thing is first to examine the process and then we can start to kind of uncover and unfold the truth.
	So I'm very, I'm very excited about that.
	I think it'll be very interesting for people to follow along.
	There's just so much just misinformation.
	Like people have so many assumptions about what happened that aren't true.
	And it's sort of like playing whack-a-mole trying to be like address all those things.
	And that's why I think the most important thing is to first examine the process.
	How did this happen?
	How do we get here?
	And hopefully, in doing that and uncovering the ways in which the government can basically fabricate a narrative and put people in prison, we can prevent it from happening again.
	Like, I think people should care about this.
	People should care that the Constitution goes out the window as soon as someone is hated and that the media can make anyone be hated.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	I can't wait for that.
	Do you have a timeline?
	Very soon.
	So like potentially within the next week, I'll let you know as soon as I that's really cool.
	I'm excited to see that.
	So are you and this other party both open to completely changing your mind if you discover?
	Yes, that's an excellent question because that's an essential part of the agreement.
	We joke about we're both endeavoring to deprogram each other.
	And, you know, I feel very willing, as I have been this whole time, to accept information that might be uncomfortable or inconvenient.
	And the reality is, you know, it would be so much easier for me.
	Like what I'm standing for and against right now makes me very unpopular.
	But to me, the truth is important.
	People's rights are important.
	And that's why I'm taking the stance that I am.
	If I'm wrong, I'll absolutely admit it.
	And the thing that I think is different about my position is I haven't hurt anyone.
	Like if I'm wrong, you know, okay, that was embarrassing or that is not good or whatever.
	But I don't, I haven't put anyone in prison.
	I haven't sued anyone.
	I haven't defamed anyone.
	So I don't, I don't have a lot to lose.
	People on the other side, you know, have a lot to lose.
	So that's why they're going to fight like hell because they don't want to lose because they have a lot to lose and you have nothing to lose.
	Yeah.
	So.
	Wow.
	Well, I can't wait to see to see how that plays out.
	Such a crazy, crazy, wild story.
	And, you know, regardless of what the outcome is of like a Nexium specific investigation, it's unquestionable or undeniable that we have some serious criminal justice problems in the United States in terms of who doesn't get prosecuted, who does get prosecuted, prosecutions that are used just to bully, even, you know, when district attorneys know that there's not any sort of potential for a favorable outcome for the prosecution, right?
	We see this, we're seeing a lot more political prosecutions and litigation than traditionally.
	And so, you know, if along the way we can make some corrections to this, and I don't know how, but that's a huge, a huge win for everybody in America.
	And that's just it.
	Like in the conversations I've had with this other person, you know, at the end of the day, if I were to find that Keith isn't the person I thought he was, I would still be doing all the same things I'm doing.
	Because again, if the process was corrupt, it matters.
	It doesn't matter if the person is hated or is a bad person.
	I would stand by anyone's rights.
	Yeah, right.
	Exactly.
	Just like what happened with Cosby, where, you know, everybody knows that he's everybody think I think everybody has a good idea of what he's probably this gumbag.
	Yeah.
	And, but, you know, you got to let him out if the prosecution was illegal.
	And he was in his country.
	And you have to, you can't allow that to be like, you know, to set a precedent where you allow prosecutorial misconduct to just go unanswered because that would mean that they could get away with anything.
	Right.
	You might as well just be living in a dictatorship where, you know, a guy just says, okay, I'm sending you to jail.
	No trial.
	No trial necessary.
	And that's, that's the thing that I've learned about the justice system in this country that I really had no idea about.
	Like I, I admittedly, and I'm kind of ashamed that I didn't do my due diligence to really understand the issues in this country because many demographics know how it works, but we pride ourselves on having a justice system, you know, but we don't.
	People literally, as long as you can make someone hated, you can convict them.
	Like, and that can be in the media.
	That can be in the courtroom, whatever it is.
	You know, and it's interesting.
	We were talking earlier about our emotional biases and being kind of swept away by our emotions, but having the self-awareness to recognize that's not reality.
	But we're just not living in a culture where people are educated and informed and able to separate those things.
	You know, the whole trial, Keith Ranieri's whole trial was just prejudice.
	Like most of the testimony had nothing to do with the charges.
	It was just painting him like this evil guy.
	Exactly right.
	And you see it in civil suits too.
	I mean, if you go to the men's rights movement and you look at the, you look at, you know, the custody rates between versus men and women and alimony rates and things of that nature.
	And it's just, you see how the empathy for single mothers plays out in the judicial system, you know, and it's good to have empathy for single mothers, but there's a lot of guys out there that, you know, probably should have more time with their kids regardless of you.
	Women only face like something like what two-fifths of the time served compared to men.
	Yeah, honestly, if we if we don't reduce the amount of uh unlawful incarceration, we should at least increase the amount of time that we're putting women in prison.
	Throw lock them up, man.
	Yeah, like equal left, equal rights, right?
	Yeah, right.
	Well, I just think that the laws should apply to the people who enforce them as well.
	Because that's the thing.
	There's no accountability.
	Prosecutors, judges, law enforcement, like they can get away with pretty much anything.
	You know, it's funny.
	They want to get rid of qualified immunity from police, right?
	With, you know, I wouldn't say good reason because their reasoning is very, really, you know, it's bad, right?
	Basically, they just want to accuse every cop of police brutality.
	But it's curious how no one's really brought that up with the prosecutors.
	It's like, why do they get qualified immunity?
	I mean, they can literally lie on stand, you know.
	And I, and I have a theory and I've spoken to people who've been, I guess some people say criminal, criminal justice involved, like who've been to prison or still in prison.
	And I've asked them, like, would you be so afraid of police?
	Would you resist arrest if you thought it if you thought you got would get a fair trial?
	And really, like, the issue isn't so much police.
	It's that they know once they're arrested, they're fucked.
	Yep, really.
	Like, they have no defense.
	They're not going to get a lawyer who will invest the time necessary to even to understand their case, let alone defend it.
	And, and they're not going to get a fair trial.
	If there's, especially if there's a woman accusing them of something or, you know, they have a cooperating witness or, you know, some confession from someone else, like they know they're screwed.
	That doesn't get a lot of, that doesn't get talked about a lot.
	I think I hear a lot of, I'm thinking of someone like Coleman Hughes, who was talking about police brutality.
	He happens to be an African-American.
	And he relates back, you know, yes, I've had racist incidents with the cops, but I was raised to say, I was raised to keep both hands on the wheel and say yes, sir.
	And, you know, and that would basically solve the problem.
	But I haven't heard it articulated that a lot of people in those situations actually, it's their resistance could potentially be just due to their lack of faith in the criminal justice system.
	And that's a problem.
	Not the police.
	Not the police.
	Specifically, the criminal justice system.
	Society tells them that whatever happened to them, they're fucked.
	So that's why some of them tend to run, even though they don't do anything wrong.
	You know, maybe they did something else, like maybe they smoked pot or something.
	Right.
	And then they're thinking, oh, fuck, I'm fucked.
	I'm fucked.
	I'm fucked.
	You know, I'm going to get shot because the media tells me I'm going to get shot.
	So they will, you know, respond in a way that will cause them to get shot.
	Yeah, but specifically, Nikki's saying it's not that they're, I mean, it's a lot.
	It's definitely a lie that you're, you're guaranteed to get shot if you're blacked by the police.
	And there are ways to behave and conduct yourself and not have that happen to you.
	But what Nikki, I think you're saying is, but there aren't ways you can behave.
	The police aren't the problem.
	It's the criminal justice system that has to worry.
	Yeah, they're going to want us to fill.
	Yeah.
	Well, for example, I have a friend.
	So I know a number of people who are in prison now and some of some who've gotten out.
	And one, one of my friends, he lives in the Bronx.
	He was being asked to come down to the precinct to talk to the detective.
	And he had a bunch of charges thrown at him by a former friend.
	Now, I know for a fact, because I'm close with this person, what the situation was about.
	It's kind of a, you know, he said, she said thing.
	No one was hurt, but the person got really angry and went to the police.
	So, but the detective was telling him, like, I know that her story doesn't add up.
	I just need you to come down and sign this paperwork so that I can have the paperwork done.
	Now, my friend has been incarcerated.
	He doesn't trust anyone in a uniform and he's, he's dying.
	Like, he's having a panic attack.
	He's making himself sick.
	He's so afraid.
	And he's like starting to get angry with the detective and defensive and start a fight.
	And I'm like, you can't do this.
	Like, you have to just go.
	At the same time, I feel like I'm trying to convince him to like go in front of the firing squad because I don't know.
	I don't know if this detective is being honest.
	Sometimes they're not honest.
	He sounds like what he's saying makes sense.
	But here I am trying to convince him to go down and just assign the paperwork, but he thinks he's going to get locked up.
	And it's such a difficult situation, but I can see how someone who just his whole life has been, you know, abused by the system and by police doesn't trust them.
	It ended up that he was able to go sign the paperwork and he was okay.
	Thank goodness.
	But like without the capacity to like handle emotions and evaluate what's really going on, he thought the whole world was out to get him that day.
	So it's, it's tragic.
	It's tragic because they're not, you know, a lot of people don't have the support, the emotional kind of resources or, you know, the understanding of everything that's going on to navigate it in a way that's not going to get them in more trouble.
	A lot of times, you know, when you're put in a difficult situation in a tough spot, you need someone else to evaluate the position for you.
	You need to have them look into the situation and inform you of what you need to do because you cannot make these decisions on your own.
	You're, you know, you, you have this tunnel vision and all you're seeing is the firing squat.
	You're seeing the bad outcome, right?
	You're worried, you're panicking.
	But the fact is, you know, let's say you're in a bad situation where someone has made up lies about you.
	That's all you see.
	That's the only thing you hear because your brain is so focused on it.
	It's looking for patterns that it's ignoring the fact that 99% of people out there either have, they don't care or they've seen it and they don't care, right?
	They just don't know about it and just don't care.
	And so you have to ask somebody, someone, you know, that you trust, obviously, and have them evaluate that situation with you because they are able to navigate you because at that point, it's like, it's like that, that movie, that Senator Bullock movie where she's got a blindfold on and she needs to have someone else lead her.
	It's like that, right?
	Yeah.
	So Nikki, you know, one of the things I'm really curious about in terms of our incarcerations system is people don't really talk about the abuse.
	There's, you know, there are rumors and jokes and stuff.
	But I did a little bit of research on this.
	I don't know if this is true or if you know anymore, if it's just off base, but the research that I did, the extent of it was Wikipedia pages was that was that there's actually the majority of abuse that occurs within prisons is actually from is guard on prisoner not prisoner on prisoner is that is that consistent with your experience in terms of speaking with um those incarcerated um so just not come up no i mean i i definitely
	so depending on the type of prison um you know if it's like a maximum or a camp uh or a pre-trial facility the culture is very different and it's all run by politics so you know there's you know people who are gang affiliated people who associate because they've been charged with certain types of crimes there's it's all political there's all sorts of rules um and so there's if you want to call them like abuses
	that happen when you break those rules or codes and and things like that um in terms of guards uh it's interesting like i think there there are guards who are good good people they're just doing a job they're underpaid it's a hard job especially like i said like you're dealing with sometimes with violent felons who have no respect for guards and they're constantly testing them so that's that's challenging but then there are guards who
	really take uh advantage of the fact that they have weapons and you know bulletproof vests and have this ultimate ultimate power and i think they're even there's a lot of there's a lot of corruption like all the cell phones all the drugs um all the contraband that gets in prisons
	yeah so think about since covid there's been no visitors and yet drugs cell phones contraband contraband has run rampant how does it get in there you know there's yeah it's all they all have a not all of them a lot of them have a side hustle because they don't get paid very much and it's very compelling you know you can you can sell a cell phone for a thousand dollars really how do you get how do you how do you if you're a prisoner how do you pay how do you pay somebody off you got family send you money and then you send it you give it to them or
	yeah like uh through cash app or um there's there's different i guess ways that they can move coin for the win huh yeah bitcoin yeah
	but um but to answer your question i mean there's definitely yeah it just people take advantage um of their positions and and there's a culture around it you know there's definitely a culture around it um there's a book really interesting book called american prison and uh it's a journalist went undercover his name is shane bauer i believe he went undercover as a and
	became a ceo at a private prison in louisiana and he talks about the training and how the ceos of this corporation which private prisons are being kind of zoned out at least in the criminal uh world but but he talks about how they treat it like a corporation like you're part of this money making scheme essentially and they're very transparent about it and the training when you learn about how they're taught to deal with
	inmates and how to objectify them and not see them as people like they're they're taught deliberately to never if if they feel like they start treating them as a human being like that's when they need to like put on the brakes and you know not see them that way it's it's really the whole system the whole the whole so really so the first half of your description of the criminal justice system it's appeared to me as if fundamentally the problem wasn't systemic per se it was more just
	a widespread lack of integrity um and then the latter half that last thing you just shared sounded like that might have been a systemic problem and some i would what do you mean by systemic i don't know well you hear a lot about their systemic problems we need so there's some law in the books or there's some um perverse incentive where private prisons are incentivized to keep people in there longer so i'm wondering nikki in your eyes where does it break down how much of this is just humans a fundamental lack of integrity on on the part of a bunch of humans involved and
	how much of this is sort of codified into our laws and our systems and and perverse and caused by perverse incentives um well i mean it's definitely a system you know like kind of when you look at uh other problems like you can't just change one thing like you you replace one thing in a car you know and then and then other things start to go so it's it's not just as simple as changing a law um i i think i don't think the issue is uh that
	we need to change laws really i think we need to change people i think we need to change the culture uh both in prosecutors offices um in in the way we view people who commit crimes i think you know like most of the world thinks of criminals as these like bad people once and once you're a felon you have such a difficult time reintegrating into into society mostly because
	of how you're viewed uh and then within prisons again there's a culture there's a culture that starts from the warden down but it it's systemic i suppose in the way that like there's a feedback loop inmates are treated a certain way so then they treat guards a certain way and it it sure feeds off itself so one of the talking points i will always hear is this abolish the private prisons how much effect would that have on it zero
	i mean i mean the federal and state prisons are essentially private prisons it's just the money goes to the government yeah well i mean the question would be like like how would how is a question is how how is private prison hypothetically making the problem worse and the only thing i could think of would be if you were able to like make a link between private prisons lobbying for uh longer sentences for crimes for example so like that would be like an example if that were happening of private prisons you know but it's not happening they could well they could
	they could be setting the inmates up for failure so that you could purposefully bring all the black nationalists and the white supremacists into the same room so that the fights you can keep them longer this is totally hypothetical but you could see how that no but there are so um it i i know someone who was released last year and uh you know he's on probation and there's all these rules and he was getting his life together he was going on job interviews he got a car he got a place to live
	and he ended up violating um i to my to the best of my understanding it was some paperwork with his car that he didn't register when he was supposed to and he got in front of the judge and he he's still in a county jail he's been in a county jail for almost two months now and you know it's the same judge who's handled this case for years and years
	there's there's the same the same prosecutor in his words now obviously i'm only getting his side of the story but he doesn't have a lot of reason to lie to me like you know he i i find him pretty um honest you're going on you're going on one american podcast with chase geyser right here's my story make sure you say it like this make sure you say it like this make sure you say it like this Yeah, right.
	Exactly.
	But he told me that his parole officer and the U.S. Marshals, you know, they, I forget what the comment was specifically, but they basically view him as dollar signs.
	You know, like they, they know that him being locked up, so he got an 18-month sentence in federal prison for this violation, that that's, they get money for that.
	Absurd.
	And he's going to be on probation again when he gets out for that.
	So he better not screw up the paperwork.
	Yeah.
	It's like that woman.
	She, this is African-American woman.
	She's like, what, Sony one or something recently?
	Yeah, I saw that article.
	Right.
	She was in a computer class learning how to better herself, you know, how to learn skills, like useful skills.
	And the parole officer calls her up.
	And obviously she's got her phone silenced because she's in class.
	And then because she doesn't pick up, he has an arrest warrant out on her and now she's in jail.
	It's like, what the hell?
	It's so sick.
	That's fucked up.
	So sick.
	Completely fucked up.
	Wow.
	Well, I guess the only way we can fix it is to raise awareness and actually get people to support candidates that have the muscle to do it.
	It's not about abolishing the police, abolishing the police or abolishing the prisons either.
	I mean, the prisons themselves are not the problem.
	It's the system.
	The way it's run that's the issue.
	You know, the culture surrounding it.
	And what's incentivized?
	You know, like prosecutors are incentivized to win.
	So I think there's a lot we can do, you know, we the people by bringing attention, by sending messages to prosecutors and judges that they can't just sweep corruption.
	They can't just under the rug.
	They can't just cheat and get away with it.
	I think we need an arm of journalism that's dedicated solely to that because right now many journalists don't want to burn bridges with their government sources and things like that.
	Like I found that a very difficult thing in trying to bring attention to the corruption in our case is like people don't people don't want to say bad things about the person in the DA's office that gives them leads.
	You know, one thing that could solve the problem in my mind is if we made it so that if you're a public defender and you win your case, you get a fat bonus.
	And we don't even have to change anything about the prosecution relationship.
	But what that would do would it would keep the DA from pressing charges if they have less confidence in the case because they know that it costs the state money paying fat bonuses to public defender.
	Yeah, you incentivize and the public defender busts his ass.
	The public defender busts his ass instead of just shuffling papers around.
	Like that could be one thing.
	Like, hey, listen, every case you win, you get a brand.
	Yeah, you get five grand every case you win.
	Yeah, you're solving a state problem with a capitalist solution because look, we live in a capitalist society.
	Why not go all the way?
	I mean, this actually works.
	Curiously, like in Singapore, what they do is in order to accommodate for the fact that people are corrupt and many people will take bribes is they pay government salaries.
	Like if you work for the government, you get paid an insane amount of money.
	Like we're talking CEO salaries here.
	So people feel like, okay, if I do something, I'm going to lose all this money.
	So guess what?
	They're incorruptible because of that.
	It's brilliant.
	It works.
	And people, you know, you might get angry and be like, well, why are they getting paid like $500,000?
	I'm like, well, because they do their job.
	That's why.
	And you attract the best and the brightest people that would have gone into the private sector.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, I'm not so sure about how that would play out in the United States because it's not like our politicians aren't making a lot of money on the side from that job.
	That's the side only because they're not going to sign off, though.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	If you take that away, you take that out of the equation, then they might actually be inclined to actually work for the people because they're getting paid by the people.
	I don't think you should be able to trade stocks if you hold off while you hold office.
	You should be able to have your portfolio when you go in and hold it or sell it, but not buy anything.
	And I think that would solve a lot of problems.
	I think it would solve a little bit, but I mean, of course, you could still make decisions based on what you know you're holding.
	Yeah, but you're going to invest massive amounts of money and mask manufacturing businesses, for example, and then make all these mandates with your leverage for people to wear double masks.
	Like stuff like that happens.
	I don't know if that's a real example, but usually in the military, I mean, look at look at what's his face, Dick Cheney, right?
	Dick Cheney's a hell of a character.
	Yeah, hell of a guy.
	Dick Cheney is like Santa.
	Halliburton had a huge stock in Halliburton while starting a war in Iraq to...
	I mean, I won't say...
	I'm not full-on cynical.
	I'm not full on anti-neocon.
	I mean, I am anti-neocon, just not full-on.
	I don't believe conspiracy theories, but you know, you will admit.
	I mean, I think anyone can admit that he made a lot of money.
	He made a lot of bank there, you know, by having Helliburton drill for oil in Iraq.
	Now, obviously, that didn't really work out very well for anyone because Iraq's a shit show.
	But the idea is that during that period of time, he personally at least made money.
	Yeah.
	Definitely.
	Yeah.
	I wonder how we always, I wonder how I the terrorists keep seeming to win in the Middle East when they don't have any nuclear weapons or F-15s.
	Yeah, maybe you should use those things on them.
	They would think twice, you know.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah.
	Go full-on school.
	This is the thing.
	I mean, like, look at what we did to the Question 10.
	Look at what the allies did to Japan, right?
	In World War II, you know, just completely level their cities.
	You know, Tokyo.
	As a vegetarian, how do you feel about all the animals that would inevitably be lost in the case of the nuclear war?
	Forget about the citizens.
	Yeah, right.
	No, I mean, I definitely would care more about the people.
	So I guess I'm not a true vegan after all.
	You're a speciesist, you know, as Peter Singer would say, you're a speciesist.
	You think human lives are more valuable than the billion or so animals that would lose their lives in the nuclear war.
	Ian, does Peter Singer really think that?
	Yeah, he wrote Animal Liberation.
	Have you read that book?
	No.
	It's about speciesism.
	I've heard some of his anti-natalist arguments.
	I heard one preposterous one about post-birth abortions from him.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But no, he doesn't believe that.
	Yeah, that's the whole foundation of like militant veganism.
	Now, keep in mind, I wasn't a militant vegan, but I did, you know, like try to experiment with veganism for a while.
	I make it sound like it was a drug or something.
	You were through an experimental phase in college.
	Experimental.
	Yeah.
	I did a little bit of veganism, you know, dabbled in it.
	Right.
	And, you know, read Peter Singer, Animal Liberation.
	I mean, this is why, like, I used to be on the left, right?
	And people say, oh, you're just a grifter.
	It's like, no, I was actually on the left.
	So I read Peter Singer.
	I was a vegan.
	And, you know, one of the things he talks about is speciesism, right?
	It's like where you value human life over the lives of animals.
	Right.
	And now he's not talking about insects because obviously if you slap an insect, that's, you know, it's survival.
	I would imagine it goes up with sentience, the moral concern.
	Yeah, sentience.
	Yeah.
	Basically, like, you know, dogs, cats, dolphins, elephants, that sort of thing.
	And so, you know, why is your life as a human worth more than one dog's life?
	You know, like, well, I'm not sure I'm being rational about this, but I just listened to a podcast with Yon Mi Park, which was a she's the North Korean refugee.
	She was Friedman.
	And she was talking about how much it breaks her heart that people will go up in arms if anybody abuses a dog.
	I mean, geez, Louise, you could start a GoFundMe and raise a quarter of a million dollars in two in 20 minutes.
	And she's going to say there's people being literally starved to death in North Korea and nobody does.
	No one cares.
	Yeah.
	I mean, people in prison in this country, if their dog, if a dog was being treated the way people in prisons are treated, especially during COVID, like you said, there would be a GoFundMe.
	There would be, you know, a call to action.
	And no, it's, it's, to me, that that's not right.
	A lot of the reasons.
	Same with China.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	In China, you know, like a lot of the people who live in the cities, they are opposed to the dog eating festival, right?
	The one that they do every year, the Grillin Festival.
	It's that's real horror to them.
	And rightly so.
	I mean, it's disgusting because what they do to the dogs is evil.
	But these very same people who, you know, in China will protest about this.
	They will make a lot of noise in social media.
	They'll even take to the streets.
	None of them will see a single thing about what's happening in Xinjiang.
	They don't care.
	They're like, oh, I buy Xinjiang cotton.
	No big deal.
	It's cotton's cotton.
	Who cares?
	I don't know where it came from, whatever.
	That seems to be how they are.
	Whereas, you know, they hear about the dog eating thing and suddenly everybody's offended by it.
	Because, you know, like, I mean, I understand it on a certain level.
	It's like there's like a visceral reaction.
	You love dogs.
	We grew up with dogs and they're innocent.
	And they're like defenseless.
	I think, I think for me, so much of it has to do with precisely that is what it does to our own humanity that we hurt and are violent towards a being that we can project into.
	You know, like we can look at a dog and be like, oh, he's happy because his mouth is turned up.
	You know, like we can project an emotional dog.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, my dog's awesome.
	My dog's amazing.
	Yeah.
	So what does it mean that we can, you know, do what we do to animals when we can project into them?
	And what does that do to our own sense of humanity?
	So for me, it's the same kind of argument.
	I don't, it's not that I value the life the same.
	It's more like the metaphor of it.
	Well, that's a classic indicator of a sociopath or a psychopath rather, is that in their childhood did they hurt animals, right?
	And so there's definitely a correlation between like the extent to which you have a conscience and your willingness to hurt animals.
	Yeah.
	So important.
	So yeah, which is one of the things that I think is so funny about this Nexian thing, Nikki, is not that anything's funny about it, but you're vegan because you love animals so much, yet, you know, you allegedly were involved in this, you know, human abusive sort of organization.
	It's like, you know, like, it doesn't add up.
	Nikki would do that.
	It doesn't add up.
	Even though there's not a single accusation.
	But yeah, actually, that's a good case for you, Nikki, but it does add up.
	I've encountered so much anti-human sentiment coming from people that are particularly concerned about the environment and animal rights.
	Yeah, extinction rebellion, right?
	Yeah, but Nikki's actually concerned.
	She's not virtually signaling.
	Like Ian was virtue signaling when he was a vegan.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	No, and it's true.
	I think I mentioned this, Chase, when I came on your podcast about that episode of 30 Days where a hunter from the Midwest went and lived with a vegan family.
	And I found him far more humanitarian than this family because they were angry and they were like judging him, whereas he was actually open-minded.
	He changed some of his views and was very kind.
	And for me, that's what it's about.
	I don't, yeah, I think, you know, compassion and empathy and humanitarianism is not about what you eat.
	It's about how you are.
	Yeah.
	And a good way to turn people against other people is a lie about them and claim they hurt small animals.
	You know, that's a that's a thing that people are actually doing to me.
	In fact, I was going to say that sounds very specifically personal.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, like people, you know, they'll make up some lie about you that's completely difficult to disprove.
	You know, I mean, it's possible to disprove, but it's difficult, right?
	And it wastes your time with it.
	And then they, you know, in the meantime, they stoke up emotions because, you know, people are like, oh, Ian hurt a small animal or something.
	And then they all, you know, they jump on that bandwagon, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like people, yeah, like, wow, this is a fun story, right?
	Yeah.
	What'd you do to Fauci and when did you meet him?
	That damn rodent.
	No, it's booty judge, actually.
	Oh, Pete.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, you know, like people, you know, they did sling accusations around, not that they can even prove it or anything like that.
	And, you know, to get some, they paint you in the worst light possible.
	And then, you know, if you say anything about it, you draw attention to it.
	Even like by bringing it up right now, I'm sure some of them are watching this, you know, the haters, they're going to be like, oh, see, look, he's admitting to it.
	I'm like, no, I'm not admitting to anything.
	I didn't do anything wrong.
	You know, it's like, so a bunch of people made up this lie that I swatted someone and killed their dog.
	Like I somehow got the SWAT police.
	Oh, I read that.
	I just assumed it was true and I didn't care.
	Nice.
	I mean, I cared about the dog, but I was like, aha, you swatted somebody.
	That's why they actually had the ability to swat people.
	But, you know, that would require calling 911 and never actually done that.
	Definitely call the police on people for committing crimes, though.
	But, you know, if you swat thing is just totally made up bullshit.
	Yeah, there's a swatting part.
	It's all complete nonsense.
	It's like two different stories.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, so there's this guy.
	He doxes people.
	He's like, uh, he doxes all these journalists.
	You know, like he's going left and right, doxing people like it's his fucking hobby or something.
	Right.
	So now he gets his come up and somebody has his docks, sends it to me.
	I pass it along to somebody else.
	And then a whole bunch of people find out about it because, you know, leaky pipes, right?
	Somebody leaked it that I had it somehow.
	And so a bunch of people confront me on some stupid podcast and then they're like, oh, Ian did have to dox.
	I'm like, yeah, I did.
	You know, and then the dude who I apparently had his dox, right, shows up and he's like, don't you know doxing people is dangerous?
	You know, like a like, for instance, you know, and then he comes up with this weird story about how like he had a dog.
	It was like a golden retriever and you know, even like gives it a name.
	I actually don't remember if you gave it a name, but he claims that, you know, in a hypothetical situation, if somebody got doxed, somebody could potentially swat them.
	And then, you know, like, are you going to pay for the dog, Ian?
	You know, like, what is it?
	What's a swat?
	What's swatting me?
	Swatting is like when you call the police and somebody and it's like a false alarm thing, you know, like you say, like, hey, this person says they have a bomb in their house.
	So that actually swats break into their house.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And people have gotten injured over this.
	This does happen quite a bit with like on Twitch, right?
	In fact, the New York Times has this huge article about this serial swatter.
	And he, what he would do, he was would often call the SWAT team to like a streamer that he didn't like or who pissed them off in some way.
	And the first time it happened, it was hilarious, but then it like kept happening.
	And it's like, wait, guys, we got to stop.
	Because you see the guy streaming, and it's like this kid, and he's saying all these bad words, and he's being just a snot, and all of a sudden it's like, Get on the ground!
	You see it on the webcam.
	Don't you go to jail for doing that?
	Yeah, well, the guy is in jail for that because he got a dude killed over some weird, right?
	Yeah, he did.
	With our justice system.
	Yeah.
	He was just stupid.
	He admitted it on like he admitted it in an interview.
	He actually admitted to swatting this guy.
	He was like, oh, the police are going to get me.
	But everybody knew who he was.
	People had doxxed him.
	So, you know, like the whole idea is doxicane, well, it's publicly available information, whatever.
	Anyway, this guy makes up this weird story about the dog.
	And like, you know, he keeps telling me to apologize for it.
	I'm like, all right.
	Yeah, I'm sorry for your dog.
	Ha ha ha.
	You know, I mean, it's like such a ludicrous story.
	So you got a false confession?
	A false confession.
	Yeah.
	And then now, obviously, everybody listening to the stream, they know it's a fucking joke, right?
	Because they were there for it.
	But then, you know, it gets spread through like Chinese, again, a Chinese telephone.
	And now everybody, like, whether, you know, if they're like in Tifa or if they're like on the, you know, I would, I wouldn't say they don't write, like the fringe communities on the internet and they don't like me or something, you know, like the comics get community, some of them don't like me because they know a guy who knows a guy who knows Ian.
	You know, it's like they're all repeating this weird story about how I dox somebody and then I swatted their house and I killed a dog.
	It's like, you know, you guys just like, you're fucking stupid.
	You're retarded.
	You know, like, I'm just going to say it.
	You're fucking retarded if you believe that because you can look into the evidence yourself and you'll see that you put out a video of something.
	I'm retarded.
	I believe that until today.
	Like I watched several months.
	I watched a video, right?
	And it's like literally a video of police raiding some drug den in like 2015, which is like years way before this guy claimed this thing happened.
	Years before you had a drug.
	I didn't look into it.
	Because most bad press, I just kind of, I just go, ah, forget it.
	Yeah, that's how I am too.
	Like, I mean, like, if I read something bad about, you know, any one of you, like Nikki, for example, I've read a lot of bad things about you before even talking to you.
	But, you know, in my personal interactions with you, it's like, oh, none of this even adds up.
	So even if it's true, it's like, who gives a fuck?
	You know, that's how I treat people.
	It doesn't bother me one bit.
	But some people, you know, they are so, you know, they have all these emotions and they're just ready to pass judgment because they want to think they're better than you somehow.
	So they'll read somebody saying something bad about you.
	You know, maybe they're a fan of that person or they trust that person or whatever reason.
	Like it's a weird parasocial relationship that a lot of people have with influencers, whether it's YouTubers and Twitch streamers.
	It's a weird Machiavellian thing too, because people feel like it's okay to lie or do the wrong thing if the ultimate end is good, right?
	And I think we see this in our justice system too, where police are convinced.
	They're convinced this guy did it, but they don't have enough evidence to press charges.
	So they like put fake evidence, you know, and they have good intentions.
	It's like they fucking lie.
	Like I'm talking to a writer right now, and he is facing false accusations of rape, right?
	I won't mention his name.
	I don't think he wants it to be public just yet.
	He's actually taking this.
	So he's a court.
	Single white dude?
	It's a single white dude.
	Yeah.
	So this guy, you know, is facing false accusations of rape that showed up when he was famous.
	He basically got canceled by the press, by the media, and nobody really asked him any questions.
	They just sort of ran with that rape story, which is not provable.
	It's not real.
	It's not a real story.
	And a lot of people, after that initial accusation came out, which is outlandish as it is, and he can totally disprove that.
	He has chat logs and all the documents to prove that this person's lying about him.
	A bunch of other people who doesn't even know or like maybe met in passing started making their own stories up.
	They're like, oh, yeah, when I actually, when I was friends with him and you guys didn't even see this, but like this guy actually groped me.
	It's like, when did this even happen?
	Like, I mean, they just, they want to pile on.
	And, you know, I've heard of a few stories like this where sometimes like a legitimate, you know, legitimate abuser, like an actual rapist in college or something.
	This actually happened to a friend of mine many, many years ago.
	You know, somebody raped her and a group of other girls in college, you know, like not at the same time, obviously, but sequentially.
	And then another girl comes up and makes up the false accusation about this guy because she wants to join in on the dog pile.
	And so when it went to court, all they had to do, all the defense attorney had to do was disprove her one story and the whole thing just fell apart.
	So the thing that we went to court.
	That's the problem with so many people.
	Like, first of all, victimhood being a currency that has incredible value in our society right now, that it incentivizes people to claim victimhood.
	And it hurts real victims.
	It hurts people who have actually been abused, who've actually been, you know, raped or had crimes committed against them.
	I know even like I try to be very critical and analyze things not emotionally, but I have a tendency to disbelieve because of my personal experience.
	When there's an accusation towards someone, I have a tendency to not think it's credible.
	And I watch myself because I think abuse is a problem.
	And people who are abusing power or committing crimes most certainly should be held accountable.
	But it's just, we've created this really inverted paradigm where the like, I think abuses of power that especially, you know, women are doing against men are terrible.
	Like it's a silver bullet.
	You accuse a man of rape, it's over.
	You got him.
	I think that maybe our defamation laws are kind of lagging behind the times.
	It just wasn't.
	Well, there's freedom of press.
	It just wasn't the case that you could get tried in the court of public opinion in the same way that you can.
	New York Times.
	Just the social media mob and all that stuff.
	I mean, you can really unleash hell on just an innocent civilian with some tweet shit.
	And we don't have a legal framework around it.
	I'm not saying that we necessarily should.
	And I'm not.
	We do.
	We do need to abolish New York Times v.
	Sullivan in 1964.
	They basically they want a case saying that they can defame you as much as they want, as long as they don't do it knowingly.
	So the media does that.
	And ever since then, you know, I'm not even talking about the media.
	I'm talking about this phenomena of the court of public opinion and the online mob.
	That's exactly what happens, though, because like, you know, there are no, sorry for interrupting, but there are like no legal ramifications to lying about someone.
	So what happens is the media, rather the mob, the social media, goes after somebody, like say Ellie Kemper, right?
	That actress who was accused of being like a KKK member.
	Yeah.
	And everybody in the media, well, maybe not everybody, but like a large amount of sites.
	You know, you had, I think, what, Daily Beast or something and all these other different websites, right?
	They were writing about how she's like a KKK princess, not based on any evidence at all, but based on the tweets.
	Someone said she is.
	So therefore she is.
	It's like they didn't even bother to do any of their due diligence.
	I mean, it took a number of like larger publications with more prestige or standing to basically clear her name.
	But even then, it was kind of too late for her.
	So, Ian, do you remember in the last election?
	Do you remember that story coming out of California that the Republicans were ballot harvesting in Southern California?
	And they had that one guy, a picture of a guy who was out at a ballot box and it really looked like he was taking stolen ballots.
	And Jimmy Kimmel actually ran the story.
	Yeah.
	Remember that.
	It was a lot.
	Well, I had dinner with him the other night.
	Chase, I want to get him on your podcast because he would just be the most fascinating person.
	Jimmy Kimmel.
	Yeah, Jimmy Kimmel.
	It's a fascinating story.
	He was a total Nick Sandman.
	The media ran with this thing.
	They completely defamed him.
	And he's going after a few of the people.
	And I'm not going to talk about any of that.
	But Jimmy Kimmel is protected because he's a comedian.
	Arguably, Jimmy Kimmel did more damage than any of the media outlets because nobody read the OC register.
	What they watched was Jimmy Kimmel saying we should stuff this kid.
	He's young.
	He's my age.
	He's a little younger than me.
	We should stuff him in a mailbox.
	He belongs in jail.
	Yeah.
	It was terrible.
	Jimmy Kimmel completely defamed him.
	And the worst part is, one, Jimmy Kimmel's immune from it.
	And two, California's anti-slap laws are so corrupt that he's worried if I go try and sue these people.
	Look, every single person in the justice system in California is a Democrat.
	He's going to sue them as a Republican.
	So he tries to go after this.
	They're going to hit him with anti-slap laws and he's going to wind up having to pay their lawyer's fees and he doesn't have enough money for that.
	So he's just completely, you know, he's screwed.
	Yeah.
	Like a few years ago when Twitter was banning people, you know, I mean, Twitter was defaming people and then banning them for violating some nonsense rules.
	I know the U-suck by policy.
	Yeah, the U-suck in.
	Same-sex by policy.
	Yeah.
	A bunch of people, a bunch of conservatives actually got together with serious lawyers to try to sue to look into suing Twitter, right?
	And lawyers did it for free because, you know, good for them.
	They wanted to offer their services.
	And so they looked into it.
	They did a bunch of research and they found that it would basically be impossible to sue Twitter because of the anti-slap laws in California.
	Yeah.
	The anti-slap laws, the problem, there's nothing wrong with that.
	There's a good intention.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There's nothing wrong with anti-slap laws.
	Oh, yeah.
	Anti-slap laws are a good idea.
	They work great until your entire justice department is Democrats.
	And then you're fucked.
	And then you can't do anything.
	Right.
	That's the problem.
	I guess we lost Nikki.
	We got boring.
	I think she got a call.
	She'll be right out.
	She just messaged me.
	It's just not the same without her, though.
	No, I know.
	Yeah.
	That's a fucking sausage quest.
	There's the Gamergate in you right there.
	There's the Gamergate in you.
	Yeah, I just suppress all of that.
	You know, like back in back in the day when I was on the left, right?
	I had to watch what I said.
	I couldn't say the words like retard because that gets you canceled.
	Like, oh my God, that's such an ableist term.
	You know, why are you saying, why are you calling people retards?
	Don't you know that some people are just born at deficiencies?
	I'm like, well, maybe God hates them.
	I don't know.
	You know, nobody calls, nobody calls.
	No one actually calls mentally deficient people that.
	Yeah, I know.
	People call like it's like the South Park variation of it, right?
	It's like you're calling somebody a retard because they're acting like a retard.
	It's like its own thing.
	And somehow, you know, they've taken a playground insult because that's exactly what it is.
	It's a playground insult just like anything else.
	And saying, oh, that's problematic.
	You can't say that.
	And it occurs to me.
	I got a thesis.
	It just formed in my brain right now, right?
	It basically goes like this.
	These people were bullied too much as kids.
	And so they can't take it, right?
	They couldn't take it.
	And now they're taking it.
	No, they weren't bullied enough.
	Weren't bullied enough.
	Exactly.
	Bring back bullying.
	Make bullying great again, right?
	That shouldn't be Donald Trump's new slogan.
	Make bullying great again 2022.
	So they got really mad about that.
	And now they have power.
	So they're like, oh, I'm going to get back at my school ground bully.
	He's going to cancel them for calling me a retard.
	Yeah, that's where we are.
	Yeah.
	We go a little bit overboard with the policing of speech, but if there were ever a group that was actually defenseless and really should have us, you know, stand up for them, it would be the mentally disabled community.
	I have much less problem.
	Look, I think 2021, we just had an entire month full of gay crap.
	They can fend for themselves.
	I know a ton of awesome gay people that are very funny and ruthless and can Tim Dylan, right?
	Yeah, definitely stand up.
	He does not need to be protected from me saying the word fag, right?
	But it doesn't.
	The one word, retard, actually, I was in college and I said it in a college class and a girl's brother was mentally handicapped and she and it made me.
	She was offended on his behalf.
	Is that what happened?
	She was offended on his behalf, but not in a woke way.
	She was emotionally distraught in an earnest way.
	And so what she wanted to say to you, just said, please don't say that.
	You know, he can't think right.
	And, you know, it's just not nice.
	She's not even referring to him, right?
	I'm assuming you weren't referring to him.
	I get it.
	My point is: if there ever were a group to be politically correct towards, it would be the mentally handicapped.
	Excuse me.
	I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't make fun.
	Don't be such a retard, Chase.
	I voted for Joe Biden, and it's really close to home.
	So I'm offended on behalf of Joe Biden.
	I would on behalf of all Joe Biden supporters.
	You know, like a funny way to get back at any lib, right?
	Any libtard.
	Oh, there's another word there.
	You know, it's when you try to point somebody.
	It's like two words combined.
	You voted for Joe Biden.
	Shut the hell up.
	That is all you need to say.
	Shut something down.
	Yeah, but that doesn't really work because nobody voted for him.
	There you go.
	Got him.
	Got him.
	Well, now that we've solved all the world's problems, this is probably a good ending point for us to say goodbye to each other until another time.
	All right.
	Now it's time to say goodbye.
	Sorry.
	All right.
	Sing it for us, Nikki.
	That's all I remember.
	But this has been great.
	Thanks for bringing us together, Chase.
	Super fun.
	Thank you guys for agreeing to spend a couple hours of your time on a Monday night with me.
	I appreciate it.
	It's really an honor to have you guys as friends and feel so grateful and fortunate.
	Hashtag blessed to have you.
	Blessed.
	Nice.
	All right, guys.
	Take care.
	All right.
	Good night.
	Bye.

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