Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin - Christmas Eve Crashout Stream

Dec. 24, 2025 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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Christmas Eve Crashout Stream

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	Good evening, folks.
	Merry Christmas.
	Well, it'd be Christmas tomorrow, but you know, Merry Christmas to you.
	I have, I've wrapped all the presents I needed to wrap.
	My wife is currently wrapping some presents, but I've done all the ones I needed to do.
	Hope you're doing well.
	Yes, and do not redeem.
	Yeah, how's it going?
	I thought I've been meaning to do this for a while, but I just haven't had the time, really.
	Yes, Merry Christmas, chat.
	I haven't had the time.
	It's just go over Vivek Ramaswamy's speech at the latest Amfest Turning Point USA thing.
	Because I just didn't really agree with it.
	And it's not, I just want to be clear.
	I don't even dislike Vivek Ramaswamy.
	I actually don't mind the guy.
	And I think he did a good job defending Trump on the campaign trail.
	And so I haven't got a personal problem with him.
	It's just his arguments are just not very good.
	And there's a kind of weird inconsistency in his worldview that I thought we'd just address.
	You know, we'd just watch it and just talk about it.
	Because, you know, what are the consequences of what he's saying?
	And things like that.
	Because I'm just not happy with these kinds of logical inconsistencies.
	And honestly, it's a kind of mysticism that is just being spouted by Vivek.
	I know a lot of Americans just genuinely want to believe, but we have to, I think, identify where this is just not straight with us, right?
	So we can properly understand this.
	Yeah, I understand that some people dislike Vivek a lot, but I don't.
	I don't dislike anyone, really.
	I'm pretty easygoing, quite fine and, you know, fair.
	I don't dislike anyone, but I think it is our job, particularly my job, to point out where people I think are wrong, you know, and have me a good old-fashioned Christmas crash out, as Russian in the chat is pointing out.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Have a like for that, Russian.
	Yeah, so yeah, I mean, like, the year before, of course, it was his H1B comments.
	Where I've been on Broken.
	I don't really want to grow the beard.
	It looks unneat.
	You know, it, like, I don't mind it from other people.
	I just don't want it on me.
	And thank you, Jay Jonas Amerson.
	Merry Christmas to you.
	I still have beef with a certain gaming journalist.
	Who?
	Anyway, that's, yeah, it's very pro-capitalism for, you know, H-1Bs.
	But, yeah, like, everything, everything's going good, by the way.
	I've had a long day looking after the kids.
	You know, learned how to pogo stick.
	Use a pogo stick today.
	Like, I've never in my life had a pogo stick, but my wife's aunt bought my son for Christmas a pogo stick.
	For some reason, he asked for one.
	And me and him have been using it.
	And we're getting quite proficient on it, to be honest, which is weird.
	Like, what a weird thing, right?
	And I'd take a video of it, but I'm absolutely certain it looks fucking ridiculous.
	So no, no videos, no videos of that on the internet.
	But it's kind of fun to do because it's very dicey, right?
	Every time you're jumping in your land, you think, oh, this is going to go south pretty swiftly.
	Very, very dicey.
	But it was actually really fun to do.
	And it was a lot of effort as well.
	There's a lot of energy that you have to put into it.
	And so, like, you're tensing your whole body.
	So it felt like quite good exercise.
	Is it a pneumatic one?
	I don't know.
	I mean, it's got a spring on it and you jump up and down on it.
	Doesn't do on its own.
	But yeah, no, I don't want to go A and E, but we were doing quite good.
	And no, I'm not videoing it and putting it back on the internet.
	Do I think BreadTube will return to its hype?
	No, not really.
	I think that the people in BreadTube were too driven by resentment, and this poisons their souls, and it makes them hate everything around them.
	And so you've got a couple of big names that will probably remain big names, but I think as a movement, it's gone.
	I don't think it's coming back either.
	I think they're just, I think they're just genuinely they're kind of hollowed out people.
	So in their souls, you know, like you can only be a meaningless kuma for a certain length of time before it sort of destroys you as a person.
	Wenon says, my ancestors literally arrived in Virginia in the 1630s, yet this little, literal anchor baby is going to tell me how American I am.
	No, he's not.
	He's going to say that he's just as American as you, actually.
	There is a fine distinction there.
	And he's going to make that argument.
	I was going to wait.
	I was going to go quarter two, but I guess I've already started, haven't I?
	So, you know, what are we going to do?
	Have I heard the National Front disco yet?
	No, I have not.
	I have no idea what that is, I'm afraid.
	Couldn't tell you anything about it.
	Vivek reminds me of the used boat salesman from Monkey Island.
	I mean, God, it's been a long time since I've played the Curse of Monkey Island.
	Remember, Astro Boost that caused sun injury.
	No, that wasn't really a thing over here, or at least I never saw it anyway.
	But yeah, unironically, the pogo stick was genuinely fun to use, and I'm actually kind of looking forward to using it again tomorrow.
	I know it's not really silly, but it was just fun.
	I've never used a pogo stick in my life.
	And, you know, after just not even a couple of hours, just like an hour or so of me and my son using it, we got, you know, a good few bounces before you sort of jump off.
	And thanks, everyone, for the Merry Christmases, by the way.
	Much appreciated.
	But should we let Vivek take it away?
	Let's see what he's got to tell us.
	So Charlie Kirk said this.
	We traveled the country last year.
	He said the answer to lies is not censorship.
	It is truth spoken with courage.
	You guys ready for some truth tonight?
	Let's talk truth.
	I'll tell you about a private conversation that Charlie and I had about a year ago.
	It was in October of 2024 in the lead up to the presidential election.
	We had a double header that night.
	We started at Georgia State with one of the prove-me-wrong events, and then we had a turning point event at UNC, and we traveled and we flew together.
	And we had one of our deepest conversations.
	It was about faith.
	It was about theology.
	We went abroad, and Charlie is such a curious guy.
	But the thing I asked him is, how do you define faith, Charlie?
	And he didn't miss a beat.
	He's really good at this.
	He said that faith is about believing something that you cannot see.
	So we've fallen subject to this culture of empiricism and rationalism that in this moment in America, we say, I have to believe it to see it.
	But sometimes you have to believe it to see it, right?
	I have to see it to believe its usual culture.
	Charlie said, no, no, no, having faith means I actually have to believe it to see it.
	You know, there is something to that in a non-trivial way as well.
	It is well known that the Chinese understood that the heavens moved long before the Western astronomers did.
	Because we, for some reason, just well, because of the Bible, just thought that the heavens were fixed.
	And so for some reason, we just didn't notice this for a long time.
	What he's saying here is that your beliefs do actually inform what you identify in the world, which is actually demonstrable and true.
	And so there is something to this, you know, having an optimistic set of beliefs will allow you to move forward in the world.
	But this isn't really the interesting bit.
	So I'm going to let him carry on with the framing of his speech here.
	And yes, thank you for the super chats, by the way, guys.
	Merry Christmas to all of you too.
	But I don't want to spend all day saying Merry Christmas.
	We're going to talk about faith tonight.
	Not so much faith in God or in religion, but faith in our country, a civic faith, a faith in the United States of America.
	Right, here we go.
	Right.
	Now, this it's important to remember that literally everything Vivek is going to say boils down to the thing that advantages me is good, and the thing that would disadvantage me is bad.
	And that's literally the base of all of this.
	And so if membership of a group was predicated on something intrinsic to yourself, then as in something essential, something unchangeable, then it would disadvantage him.
	He's not going to say that.
	He is an anchor baby, literally, isn't he?
	So he's obviously going to rationalize why the thing that advantages him is the thing that you should believe.
	He's not going to willingly disadvantage himself, obviously.
	And you can tell this by the way that he says, right, America's civic faith or belief or whatever it was.
	It's like, right, okay.
	So right.
	What we're going to say then is that I talked about this in a previous video or stream.
	There is no particular difference between civic nationalism and ethnic nationalism because the civic nationalism didn't come into being on its own.
	It came from an ethnos.
	It came from a group, a particular discrete, like literally named, denoted group that exists in a time and a place and had particular practices, what we would call their culture.
	And out of this, a civic life emerged.
	Now, what Vivek is trying to do is essentially crystallize that civic life in amber, abstract it away from that group and say, right, anyone can have this.
	And this is basically not true.
	I think it was Mike Cernovich on Twitter was pointing out, you know, Liberia's constitution is a carbon copy, almost word for word, of the American Constitution.
	Why isn't Liberia as prosperous as America?
	Well, there are answers, right?
	There are answers.
	It boils down to the behavior of the people in the place.
	And the behavior is informed by all sorts of things.
	It's from the biology, by history, by the customs, by the habits, by the beliefs, by the laws, by the history itself, the sequence of events that led up to that place.
	So it's not just enough to say we're going to abstract out the crystallized, frozen in amber civic beliefs and habits of a people at this point in time and say, right, this is it.
	This is somehow an eternal platonic form of the way things should be.
	And that's how these things are.
	But that's, remember, that's the primary way that Vivek is going to say, well, this is how I can be advantaged as well.
	This is not about him arguing for truth.
	That's the issue.
	Because if we were arguing for truth, we wouldn't have, as Vivek's going to demonstrate to us, such, frankly, an incoherent perspective that is just predicated on liberal mysticism.
	And to understand in reviving our faith in America, we have to understand who we really are as Americans.
	That is a question of our time.
	What does it mean to be an American in the year 2026?
	It means to have the surname Ramaswamy.
	There is something genuinely quite amusing about that, right?
	Like, it's just his name is Vivek Ramaswamy.
	Typical American name.
	I'll get to some of the soup chats later if that's all right, because a lot of them are off topic.
	There are three competing visions right now in the country, and it's worth seeing them for what they are.
	The first two are wrong, and in my view, the third one is unambiguously correct.
	The first of those visions comes from the woke left.
	The woke left says your identity is based on your race, your gender, your sexuality, your genetics.
	Your identity is based on your existence as a corporeal being is the argument of the left.
	I mean, isn't that just true?
	Isn't the thing that you are that creates the identity as in you are identical to yourself?
	That is what the identity of the thing is.
	How you identify yourself as separate from other beings in the world, one in the same as you, Vivek Ramaswamy, Carl Benjamin, you guys in the chat.
	Your identity, according to the left, is that you are a thing in the world.
	It's like, I'm not sure that's a left-wing opinion.
	I think that might just be an opinion, and that opinion seems to be because it seems to be true, right?
	It seems to be drawn from reality.
	And so you can denote a person based on their corporeal presence, and that's what they are.
	I mean, that I think is a really common opinion.
	I think that's why Vivek Ramaswamy thinks that men can't be women and women can't be men because of the corporeal being, the genetics, the true existence, the reality of the thing.
	And yet he's been like, yeah, look at these crazy leftists who believe you're a thing that exists in the world, and your identity is predicated on being a thing that exists in the world.
	It's like, is that crazy though?
	I think that might be true.
	I think that might be real, actually.
	I think we might be real things.
	Like, just saying, Vivek.
	And I think it's our consciousness that comes from our being real things in the world that identifies ourselves as being separate to other things in the world.
	And so I think we should just ascribe what appears to be a true and accurate description of reality to the crazy woke left.
	I actually don't think they can.
	I don't think they should be the ones who hold that mantle.
	And also, I'm not even sure if this is an accurate description of what they are.
	I think they do want a world in which the mind is actually not bounded by the body.
	I think they actually do want it so that in their ideal world, I think they would have it so that no kind of reference to your corporeal being would ever be made.
	I think they only focus on race and sex and sexuality and all this sort of stuff because they are trying to get to a point beyond these things.
	Now, like with everything that the left does, it's wrong and nonsensical.
	But I think if you were to ask them in their heart of hearts what it is they truly want, they would say, I want my consciousness essentially liberated from my body.
	I don't want to carry the burden of being fixed in society because of the thing that I am.
	And I would like to have all doors open to me, regardless of anything physically about me.
	And that kind of puts them in the same position as you.
	Because that's kind of what you're arguing for here.
	Nobody is actually the thing that they are.
	They can just be whatever they want to be.
	Perfectly, perfectly harmonizing with the left-wing position on gender, on sexuality, on whatever, you know, blah, blah, blah.
	So it's, I just don't see why we're giving them this when I don't think they deserve it, Vivek.
	That if you're black, you're a woman, or you're a sexual minority, you're somehow oppressed.
	If you're a white male who's straight, you're privileged.
	And by the way, that your race and your gender and your sexuality determine who you are and what you can believe in life.
	Congresswoman Ayanna Presley of the squad famously said.
	So before we go on to this, again, your race, your gender and your sexuality determine who you are.
	Well, if they don't, how do I know I'm married to a woman?
	How does my wife know she's married to a man?
	Why did I marry a woman if my sexuality doesn't determine me as a husband?
	Just like he throws all this out.
	And it's just like, okay, but the second you start thinking about any of it, you're like, no, no, these things do determine who you are, which is why I have the consequences in life that I have and not something else.
	So anyway, we'll let him carry on because he's, you know, got a lot to say here.
	But just to be clear, I think that his initial assumptions are just bonkers.
	They're just batshit crazy.
	If we aren't connected to our corporeal being, what are we, Vivek?
	If our bodies are actually not determinate of the thing that we are.
	Yes, you're talking, I think you're thinking of like the consciousness that we just feel seated in our brains.
	But that's not really us.
	We could take that out, right?
	And this glowing orb of consciousness is what the real us is.
	Is that what we're saying?
	Because I don't think that's true.
	We don't want any more black faces that don't want to be a black voice.
	We don't want any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice.
	Think about that.
	You're raising your gender to find who you are.
	Ibram Kendi famously said the remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination.
	The remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.
	And if you disagree with that view, for the last four or five years in this country, they labeled you a racist, a bigot, a homophobe, a transphobe, which created a new culture of fear in our country that spread like an epidemic.
	A fear that replaced our culture of free speech in the United States of America.
	And that was on America.
	Now, on this, he's not wrong.
	Obviously, the left did do these things.
	They do argue these things.
	It is ironic, though, that they would call someone who actually doesn't want to take racism, race or gender or whatever, a racist or a sexist.
	Like, the idea that this was something that the right was weak to is kind of embarrassing, actually.
	But remember, it's only if there is a genuinely held belief that we shouldn't be judging based on the physical characteristics of a person that this attack could land.
	Like, if you were, I don't know, some sort of 14th century warlord or something, someone's like, you prejudice your own group.
	You think men should have positions over women.
	You think X, Y, Z, they'd be like, duh.
	Of course I do.
	It's like, that's bad.
	No, it's not.
	That's reality.
	And that's how I'm going to make it with a battle axe.
	Like, there'd be no point leveling that accusation against that person.
	Because I'd be like, yeah, what kind of ridiculous, obviously, this is why I've got a harem for concubines.
	Like, what are you talking about?
	And it's only in the liberal perspective where we try and go, oh, yeah, you know, people shouldn't be bound by their physical bodies that this attack makes any sense.
	And so this is a real issue for, I think, genuinely the right, the center-right in general.
	Because this is them essentially confessing, yeah, we are basically liberals at the very bottom of it.
	We actually do think that no one should be judged by the thing that they are.
	It's like, okay, that is kind of woke, though.
	We defeated that woke left at the ballot box last year when we sent Donald Trump back to the White House in November of 2024.
	Thanks to the efforts of Charlie Kirk, perhaps more than anybody else in this country.
	So that's the woke left's vision, and they get it wrong.
	Now, when I left my career as a biotech CEO and I was talking to people in Silicon Valley and Wall Street about this, that took courage.
	I'm going to admit, it doesn't take that much courage for me to come here and tell you all about criticizing the woke left.
	Now, let me get to the harder part.
	There's a different vision of American identity that's emergent in certain corridors of the online right.
	And it says that your identity as an American is based on your lineage.
	So it's based on the thing that you are.
	It agrees with the woke left that your corporeal being actually matters to your identity.
	The thing that you are is you as an object that can move and can think about itself in the world.
	We call them agents in the world.
	And you understand yourself as relative to other objects and agents.
	And you have an opinion on yourself compared to those people over there.
	And the fact that you didn't just appear magically out of the soil, sprung fully formed, the self-authoring man at year zero.
	Something happened before you to get you to this point.
	That's woke.
	What are we saying?
	That's yes, that's obviously true.
	The thing you are is what you inherit from your parents and your parents' parents and going back into the midst of time.
	Obviously, that's true.
	Like Vivek is trying to stigmatize things that are quite obviously fucking true.
	So it's kind of weird.
	And it's just like, right, okay, Vivek.
	So what are you arguing?
	You're kind of arguing that people just spring fully formed and it's only the consciousness of the person that matters under any calculation.
	And that seems really woke.
	That how long you have been in the country, your lineage, and your genetics tied to the blood and soil of the country, determines how American you are.
	It is the idea of a heritage American that says the truest form of an American is somebody who is a descendant of the American Revolution period or before.
	I mean, that was what an American was until the 20th century.
	That's what an American was.
	Someone who traced their lineage from that.
	And because of the mass immigration to America from Europe to populate a continent, America had to develop a kind of creed that would allow people to be folded into this society.
	Now, this is where America is interesting and unusual because most countries don't have that, especially none of the ones in the old world.
	So this is something that America had to adopt by necessity.
	Otherwise, you're going to have literally a bunch of non-Americans running around America not thinking of themselves as being American.
	And that's understandable.
	It's completely reasonable that for a frontier country having that is constantly getting waves of immigrants coming into it, you need some kind of mindset that people can sign up to.
	Makes perfect sense.
	But that doesn't mean that there wasn't an original founding stock of the United States, of the American colonies, that gave it its language, its initial peopling, its culture, its laws, its customs, the way that things are done to be passed on to future generations.
	That exists.
	And that came primarily from the British Isles, mostly from England.
	And that gave the character to the United States that is carried on.
	And that is what those people who've come from elsewhere have incorporated into, which is why Vivic is giving this in English and not say German, which was a major issue back around the era of the American Revolution.
	Large waves of German immigrants coming over and not incorporating, not integrating properly into the country.
	So it's not that this isn't true on one side, but it's also true on the other side.
	And Vivic wants to have it.
	So it's all of one way and none of the other.
	But I'm sorry, it is true that people have a heritage and a lineage, and that there is a lineage that can be traced back to the founding stock of the United States and the American colonies.
	And Vivik is not a part of that.
	That is true.
	And it does kind of make them the essential Americans.
	The Americans without which the project of the United States doesn't really make sense.
	Imagine if in 50 years' time, basically all of the white Americans, or 100 years' time, because the white Americans just decided we're not going to have babies anymore, right?
	No white American from this point onwards, like children of men, right?
	But voluntarily.
	They just stop having kids and they say, yeah, we're tired.
	We're just ready to lay down and die.
	We don't want kids anymore.
	We're just going to just wait out the clock.
	And that's it.
	The end of the Heritage Americans.
	In two or three hundred years, does it make sense for the replacement stock of what is now the United States to speak English?
	Does it make sense for them to have the English common law?
	Does it make sense for them to do the things that the old English and British stock of the United States did in contradiction to the old traditions of their old countries?
	Like the Somalians in Minnesota don't think that.
	They don't see why they would.
	They speak Somalian.
	They are concerned about Somalia.
	They're concerned about their Somali community and how much they can rip the government off for, right?
	Why would they, in 300 years' time, if there were no more white Americans, think, oh, I have to speak English?
	It wouldn't make sense.
	To them, it would make no sense at all.
	In 300 years' time, if Canada, for example, went through the same process, it was just an Indian colony now.
	Why would they speak English?
	Why wouldn't they just speak Indian?
	Whatever languages they speak in India.
	Like if the Chinese, like take San Francisco, like in Fallout in the Fallout universe, why wouldn't they speak Chinese?
	Why would they be like, oh, no, I'm obliged to speak English?
	It doesn't make sense for them to do that without there being this stock of heritage Americans to provide the initial original culture of the United States that sets the tone of the country.
	This isn't something that just fell out of the sky.
	It came from the lineage of these people.
	So just to be clear, I think that does matter.
	And it's not to say that there shouldn't be an American creed that foreigners can buy into, etc., etc.
	I think that there probably should be.
	It makes perfect sense.
	But it presupposes the country that the heritage Americans built.
	So you would think that the heritage Americans would be given some credit for this.
	Like, it doesn't make sense to say, well, you know what?
	We've got where we want to be now.
	Don't need you guys anymore.
	Your ancestry in this country doesn't matter to us at all, says, well, I mean, practically first-generation Indian immigrant.
	So, sorry, mate.
	There's a bit more to it than that, isn't there?
	And I will tell you, this idea of the heritage American, we ought to have this discussion.
	It's becoming more popular.
	I think the idea of a heritage American is about as loony as anything the woke left has actually put up.
	Why do you speak English then?
	How can it be?
	How can it be?
	How could it possibly fucking be as loony as the left going, oh yeah, you know what?
	Children can be transgender.
	How can that be more loony or as loony as saying, or less loony, than saying the United States has taken on the English, the Anglo character of the English settlers who formed its original founding stock.
	How is it, how is men can become women as loony or less loony than saying the United States is a product of English colonists?
	I mean, that's such a factually true statement and such an obviously true statement that to say, oh yeah, the idea that these heritage Americans, people who derive their lineage from the original stock of the United States that came from Britain, these people are crazy.
	And actually anyone could be an American anywhere in the world.
	I mean, if that's the case, why is it even bounded to the landmass of America?
	Why isn't it just, you know, in Indonesia, you know, just through luck of, through the roll of the dice, the complete fortune that Indonesia just happens to be popping out Americans?
	Why isn't China popping out Americans?
	Why is it that they give birth to Chinese children?
	Why isn't South Why isn't South America full of Americans?
	Why isn't Africa just random Americans?
	Why was there any lineal descent from the parents at all?
	If that's the loony position, that Chinese parents give birth to Chinese children, that African parents give birth to African children, and that American parents give birth to American children who come from the Anglo-settlers who founded it.
	That's the crazy position.
	Sorry, go on, Vivek.
	There is no American who is more American than somebody else.
	The American quality, it's not like the left, they believe in this non-binary stuff.
	There's no non-binary American.
	It is binary.
	Either you're an American or you're not.
	Well, I mean, you could break down whatever the left says into you are, you believe it's a spectrum or you believe it's a binary.
	You can break down anything into a binary, literally anything.
	Look, right, it's me versus everyone else.
	It's people who are Vivek Ramaswamy and everyone else.
	It's people who don't wear shoes when they're sat in interviews and everyone else.
	Like, anyone can just put anything into a binary.
	Like, as long as you can categorize something and discern it versus something that's not it, you can turn any category into a binary, Vivek, right?
	So that's a stupid thing to say.
	But moreover, it's not that they are like more American.
	It's that they are American, right?
	They can't, if we are defining the initial founding of the 13 colonies, what we call Americans, as being British settlers who are colonists in the Americas and...
	and we could say, we could begin at, say, 1776, right?
	That's the usual sort of cutoff point.
	Whose ancestors engage in the American Revolution, and they would call it a Civil War then, and become a kind of breakaway civilization from Britain, right?
	That's what an American was in 1776.
	So that's an American.
	Your name is Vivek Ramaswamy.
	So it's not you're as American as an American.
	It's that you are the son of Indian parents, right?
	Now, I'm like I said, I'm not trying to be highly exclusionary here.
	It's just you're the one saying you either are American or you're not American.
	And it's like, right, okay, well, if you're not prepared to accept degrees of American-ness, then we need some sort of hard category that we can judge on.
	And one hard category that you can judge on is, are you descended from the founding stock of the country?
	And Vivek's like, well, no, that excludes me.
	So that's not what an American is.
	It's like, okay, but in any other time and place, that is understood to have been what an American is.
	But like I said, America was an expanding frontier with lots of immigration.
	So they have this kind of creedal notion that comes on top of the founding stock, that is something that is a layer above it.
	And that is a doctrine that newcomers can adopt to fit in.
	They can learn the language.
	They can follow the rules.
	They can wave the American flag.
	They can take the Pledge of Allegiance.
	They can incorporate themselves ideologically and habitually into being Americans in the United States.
	Fine.
	But that then implies degrees of American-ness.
	If being an American has a series of checkboxes, it is not you are from the founding stock or you are not from the founding stock, but actually you've got to believe this thing.
	You've got to have taken the Pledge of Allegiance.
	You've got to wave the American flag.
	You've got to dress yourself in a little Texas suit.
	Then these are checkboxes you might not fill.
	You might only fill some of them.
	And, well, I mean, you fill four out of five.
	That's a degree of American-ness.
	So your argument would necessarily entail that some people are more American than others.
	For example, you might get the most hardcore Bernie Sanders fan who is linearly descended only from the very first people who stood off of the Mayflower.
	You know, like literally two families on the Mayflower that have just somehow not managed to breed with other families.
	And or like only the families of the Mayflower, you might get that one guy.
	He is the most American by the standards you are laying out, whether he believes anything or not, because you just can't classify him as something else.
	There's no doctrine or creed that will change the nature of what he is in his most basic and fundamental essence.
	So you are creating a false dichotomy.
	It is either that there is the dichotomy of American by the definition of coming from the founding stock of the Americas, or it's a creedal nation and it has degrees based on how much they buy into the creed, how much they actually profess and act in a particular way.
	So you are wrong here, Vivek.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
	So this kind of, I mean, a lot of people in the chat were like, oh, this is like snake oil salesman.
	But I've noticed my chat has died on me.
	A lot of people in the chat are saying, he sounds like a snake oil salesman.
	It's like, yeah, kind of, actually.
	He set up this false dichotomy that isn't true.
	And so, yeah, it does kind of seem like he's full of shit.
	Sorry, my chat's just died.
	So I hope, in fact, the back end of YouTube has just died, which is great.
	So I'm going to close some browsers.
	Don't know if that's going to fix it.
	And then hopefully we're still going.
	I have no idea if it's still going.
	It's literally just presenting me with a white screen.
	Oh, thank you, YouTube.
	Thank you so much for being.
	Are we still going?
	I think we're still going.
	Oh, thank God.
	Right, hang on a second.
	Sorry, chat.
	I've got to pop it out again.
	My God, man, honestly.
	And the thing is, this doesn't just happen to me either.
	This happens to everyone.
	So anyway, yeah.
	So the point is, you either are an American or you're not an American, which I think by any reasonable definition makes Vivek not an American.
	It makes him an Indian.
	Or there are degrees of American-ness.
	And Vivek is quite American.
	Like, he's, you know, he's quite high up on the thing because he truly believes.
	And this is another thing as well, right?
	I genuinely believe that Vivek is a patriot for America.
	Like, I'm sure he loves the country.
	I don't think you go to all this length if you don't.
	But he's worried about essentially being cast out.
	And I think that would be unfair.
	He has done a lot of good work.
	So it would be unfair to sort of like kick him out and say, right, you can't be an American anymore.
	You know, I'm not in favor of those kind of hard lines.
	But by his own argument, there have got to be degrees of American-ness, or else he's not really an American.
	And you think about it, I could prove this to you.
	Thank you.
	I'll take some applause on that.
	If you really believe in this idea, think about where it leads you.
	Leads you to believe that Donald Trump is less of an American than Joe Biden because Donald Trump's mother was an immigrant and his grandfather was an immigrant.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	Why?
	Yes, it makes perfect sense.
	Donald Trump is not, or at least, I mean, I don't, I don't, no, I'm pretty sure both of his parents.
	Well, I mean, wasn't his mum Scottish on her lineage or something like that?
	But yes, that's exactly how it works.
	I mean, millions of Americans are going to be like not from the old stock.
	And so they're not like the original founding stock of America.
	Yeah, that's going to be true.
	But that doesn't mean you can't be a patriot.
	That doesn't mean he doesn't have any connection to America or anything like that, or that he can't be accepted in American society.
	Like, why do we need to flatten this down so there is just one level?
	That Americans are all the same and you're not allowed to even think about it.
	Because this seems to kind of privilege those sort of Somali types who are like, yeah, we're just here to lose.
	You know, we're just here to scam as much as we can off the government and then send as many remittances home to Somalia.
	Did you know?
	What was I?
	I covered it in the video the other day.
	Something like a third of Somalia's economy is remittances.
	It's like, and what Vivek is suggesting here is basically giving them infinite cover so they can just be like, yeah, right, turn up, wave the American flag, say the Pledge of Allegiance, say, yes, I am an American, and they will give you money that you can send back to Somalia.
	What stops them from doing that under Vivek's creedal interpretation of being an American?
	Like, you literally can't say they're not Americans, even though, like, Ilhan Omar is sat there going, yeah, our president in Somalia, blah, It's like, she's not an American at all.
	Not even, you know, intentionally an American.
	Her intentions are that she's a Somalian.
	But Vivek is establishing a doctrine that would have it so that you couldn't say that Ilhan Omar was not an American, even though she's clearly not an American.
	She's actually an immigrant.
	So, like, what are we doing here?
	Leads you to believe that somehow Bernie Sanders is more of an American than Senator Bernie Moreno from my home state, an America first patriot, because Bernie Moreno was a naturalized citizen from Colombia.
	Correct.
	It makes you think that Marco Rubio, our great secretary of state, is somehow less of an American than Elizabeth Warren because she's a Native American, which we'll.
	Well, I mean, Elizabeth Warren Seems to be one of the most founding stock Americans in all of human history.
	It's probably difficult to find someone who is more founding stock than Elizabeth Warren.
	And as much as I like Marco Rubio, his surname is Rubio, right?
	He's obviously got Latin American ancestry.
	So yeah, Elizabeth Warren is obviously more American than Marco Rubio.
	Now, does that mean Marco Rubio is not qualified or entitled or he doesn't have citizenship or he's not a patriot?
	No, of course that doesn't mean any of that.
	It's just you have to understand, if there is no founding stock of America, you can't make sense of the things that Americans do every single day.
	Why does free speech matter?
	Why do gun rights matter?
	Why do you hold the concept of rights that you hold without the founding stock of America?
	Because the founding stock of America, for them, these were the rights of Englishmen.
	These were the rights that Englishmen had that they wrote into their constitution, Vivek, which is why America has the rights it has in the timeframe that it has them and India doesn't.
	And Pakistan doesn't.
	And Africa doesn't.
	And Liberia tries to.
	It is not a coincidence.
	It isn't just that it was descended from the heavens.
	It came out of the founding stock.
	So yes, I'm sorry.
	These people are less American, but that doesn't mean they can't be American.
	It doesn't mean they can't be patriots.
	And does not mean they're not worthy.
	But it is true that there is a founding stock and that matters.
	It gives your country the character that it has.
	This is a nonsense argument you're making.
	Oh, no, right?
	Doesn't make any sense.
	It's loony.
	It's crazy talk.
	It makes you believe that somehow I am less of an American than the transgender criminal who assassinated Charlie Kirk.
	We refuse to accept that.
	Well, I mean, I don't know anything about the lineage of the transgender criminal who assassinated Charlie Kirk.
	The idea that a heritage American is a more American than another American is un-American at its core.
	Then what does being an American mean, man?
	If it literally means holding to a doctrine, then why do you even have to be in America to be an American?
	Why can't, why is it that people just around the world that like an entire province of China could just be like, no, we're Americans now.
	We're just Americans.
	Yeah, we're just Americans.
	You know, in France, we're just Americans now.
	I mean, that's basically what the French have tried to do, actually.
	That's what the French Revolution was.
	Tried to declare themselves as these kind of ideological Americans.
	But really, what Vivic is saying here is they're liberals, right?
	This is what liberalism is: the exportation, the abstracting, and exportation of Anglo-Saxon political philosophy.
	And he is trying to say that that is the only thing that matters, but it has an origin point.
	It comes from a people.
	It is employed in a particular way.
	And actually, the lineage, the heritage does matter, even if you truly believe it.
	Even if you want to be a part of it, even if you are incorporated into it, the heritage, the lineage, the process of history that arrived at this point still matters, Vivik.
	And I will fight to the very end for that because that's what it means to be an American.
	We believe in ideals.
	That is who we are.
	As an American, we believe in ideals compared to the rest of the world.
	They're all literally nihilists.
	Like, what are you saying, Vivik?
	Everyone believes in ideals.
	You.
	Again, I'm not angry at him.
	I don't even hate him, but this is a really stupid.
	Again, it does feel kind of snake oil salesman as well, doesn't it?
	It's like, do you think Indians don't have ideals?
	Think Chinese people don't have ideals.
	Everyone has ideals, but they're just different to American ideals.
	And there's a reason for that.
	Because ideals do not mean things Americans believe.
	Ideals is something else.
	And American ideals are particular to the Americans in a way that they're not particular to other countries.
	It's just how this works, Vivek.
	Because actually, the heritage Americans mattered in the founding of your country.
	What does it mean to be an American in the year 2026?
	It means we believe in those ideals of 1776.
	It means we believe in merit.
	Didn't expressly say that it was only white men who could become citizens.
	Like, didn't that exact...
	Wasn't it a white man of good character who could become a citizen of the United States?
	Wasn't that the way it was written?
	I mean, I'm not sure that you do believe in the ideals of 1776 as it was written at the time.
	I think those ideals being merely ideas have evolved somewhat, don't you?
	That the best person gets the job regardless of their skin color.
	That you get ahead in this country, not on the color of your skin, but on the content of your character and your contributions.
	It means we believe in the rule of law.
	And I say this as the proud son of legal immigrants to this country.
	That means your first act of entering this country cannot break the law.
	And that is why we have sealed the southern border and we will not apologize for it.
	So that's interesting.
	Again, rule of law didn't pop out of the air, did it?
	Just, oh, rule of law.
	Oh, that was that's interesting.
	Oh, that's an ideal that's just come about.
	Oh, I guess we'll adopt it then.
	Like, meritocracy.
	Oh, another one that just pops out of the air.
	Oh, right, individualism.
	Why are these ideals just popping out of the ether?
	Says Vivek.
	It's almost like these were the political ideals of the Anglo-Saxons in the Americas.
	They got them from England.
	These aren't floating abstract things that have no connection to reality or a people, Vivik.
	Because a nation without borders is not a nation.
	What does it mean to be American?
	It means we believe in free speech and open debate, even for those who disagree with us.
	Literally, this is just English ideals from the 1800s.
	That's all this is.
	It's actually, when you know anything about the history of the development of these ideas, you can't not pin them in times and places.
	It's only when you discombobulate them from the history that brought them into existence that this speech from Vivic makes sense.
	From Nick Fuentes to Jimmy Kimmel, you get to speak your mind in the open without the government censoring you.
	It means you go to a college campus, you speak without fear.
	That words are not violence, that violence is violence, and violence is never an acceptable response to words.
	That too is what it means to be a citizen of this country who believes in free speech in America.
	It's not just our constitutional principles.
	It also means that we believe in the culture that was born of those principles.
	It means we right.
	That is the thing.
	The culture that is born of the principles.
	The principles existed in the ether, like platonic forms.
	Like the before God was flowing over the waters, the principles were there.
	And then from the principles sprung the culture.
	Okay, and then from the culture springs the people.
	Like, who is holding the principles in their mind?
	Who is acting to produce the culture?
	If these things are all prior to the people, the people must come before the culture.
	The culture must come before the principles.
	The principles are extracted from the culture and the culture is extracted from people.
	The people are the bedrock of the United States.
	The principles do not come prior to the people.
	The principles are discovered, abstracted away from the practices of the people, the culture of the people, as a sort of third-order consequence of the way that the Anglo-Saxons behaved in the new colonies in the United States.
	Like, Vivek just has this completely back to front.
	I have been making this really clear as well.
	It's just that ideas do not exist separately to the people who hold them.
	Culture does not exist separately to the people who express it.
	There is only the only way we can ever talk about cultures or ideas is because someone has had them in their head.
	Someone has actually acted in a particular way.
	That's the only way we can describe these things.
	It's the only way we can identify them.
	And if you think I'm wrong, identify principles that nobody holds.
	Identify a principle that has not come out of the mind of a person.
	Identify a culture that nobody has expressed.
	Like you would have to make something up, and that wouldn't be real.
	So, just saying, Vivek has this completely backwards.
	We believe in accountability, that we're brave, that we're courageous, even heroic, when called upon to do what is right for our country in our hour of need.
	It means that as Americans, we take risks.
	Sometimes we fail, but we pick ourselves up and we take those risks again.
	That we encounter hardship from time to time, but hardship is not the same thing as victimhood.
	It means that we are ambitious, that we're curious about landing on the moon to Mars, curious about the world around us as our founding fathers were, still believing that it is our manifest destiny to lead it and our duty to die for that country if we are called to do so.
	If I recall correctly, Thomas Jefferson was a mammoth cryptid hunter.
	They would find bones and mammoths, and I'm pretty sure it was Thomas Jefferson.
	I know what it was one of the founding fathers.
	I think it was Jefferson.
	I'm going to quickly Google this just to make sure I'm not giving you fake news.
	Yeah, right.
	I'm not wrong.
	Thomas Jefferson was obsessed with mastodons.
	33, blah, blah, blah.
	He was obsessed with mammoths, but mastodons at the time.
	He liked theorizing about mammoths.
	He liked talking about mammoths.
	He liked making his friends rack up exorbitant postage bills in order to mail him mammoth teeth.
	What a hero.
	Not interested in Bigfoot, but interested in mammoths.
	Love it.
	Because they would find mammoth or mastodon bones, and he was convinced they still existed somewhere in the American interior, which is a conspiracy theory I personally enjoy as well.
	Anyway, just sorry.
	Vivek was saying something very serious here.
	That is what it means to be a citizen of this country.
	There are those who are skeptical of this vision of America.
	Those who are skeptical of the American dream, especially young people.
	And I hear you on that.
	We'll come to that in a second.
	But I would rather live in a country that has those ideals and falls short of them than to live in a country with no ideals at all.
	Again, that's fine.
	I mean, there are no countries with no ideals.
	Obviously, every country has its own ideals.
	But that's totally fine.
	Right?
	That's totally fine.
	No one's saying that Vivek can't be an American to some degree and can't live in America, can't be an influential American activist or governor, whatever it is he does.
	No one's saying any of that.
	It's just that he creates these binaries that are totally bollocks, basically.
	I'd rather live in a country with ideals than no ideals.
	Well, show me the country with no ideals.
	Show me a place where they just don't believe in anything, right?
	The entire world outside of America isn't a nihilistic hellscape.
	Actually, it's full of temples and churches and cathedrals and mosques and great artistic and spiritual accomplishments.
	Like, America is not the only place in the world, Vivek.
	And in fact, the country your parents came from is actually a testament to this.
	India is covered in temples.
	It's got, like, you know, it's got a huge and deep and long history and philosophy.
	And these things are all real and matter.
	It's so weird.
	This, right, I have to compress everything about America down into a very two-dimensional, very narrow binary, or else I'm not an American, is what Vivek is saying.
	It's like, no, Vivek, that's just a really reductive way of looking at the issue of ethnicity, identity, and heritage in America.
	It's really, really reductive.
	The left has preached to us for a long time that our diversity is our strength.
	No, sorry, our diversity is not our strength.
	The online comment threads of Twitter might preach that our lineage is our strength.
	No, I'm sorry, our lineage is not our strength.
	Our true strength is what unites us across that diversity and through that lineage.
	Right.
	So he is saying that diversity is an essential part of the American strength.
	Right?
	It's just taken for a given.
	The diversity is part of the strength of America.
	But how that diversity is linked up with the heritage of Americans is what matters to Vivik because he is part of the diversity.
	Like this is all just self-interest being expressed in this sophism.
	Like, I'm sorry.
	I think that he is right.
	That is unity that creates strength, but unity is usually created through sameness, right?
	Sameness of belief, but sameness of habit, sameness of origin.
	And if you are going, and the thing is, like I said earlier, he's not wrong to emphasize the importance of a kind of creed that binds America together.
	He's not wrong to do that because of the unique history that America has had.
	But for him to then dichotomize that, say, actually, the lineage of America matters not, it's like, well, you wouldn't have any of these principles, any of these ideals, if it wasn't for the lineage of America.
	So it must matter in some way if you think the ideals are so good.
	It must matter.
	It logically entails that it matters if you think these ideals are good.
	Because if it doesn't, why do we think the ideals are good in the first place?
	What difference does it make?
	Why can't we just pick another set of ideals like Indian ideals?
	Why can't America just be full of Indians and full of Indian ideals and just be the same as before if the lineage doesn't matter?
	That is what makes this country more distinctive than any other country on planet Earth.
	It is what makes American exceptionalism possible.
	And Ronald Reagan understood this.
	He famously said, you know, you could go to Italy, but you would never be an Italian.
	You could move to Germany, but you would never be a German.
	You could pack your bags and live the rest of your life in China or Japan.
	You would never be Chinese or Japanese.
	But you can come from any one of those countries to the United States of America, and you can still be an American, so long as you pledge allegiance to the ideals in that flag.
	It's kind of an accidental baseness of that, isn't there?
	But also, this is where we get to the mysticism, right?
	He's right.
	You can't just go to these countries and be like, I'm a Frenchman now, because you are a product of a place.
	You carry the habits and customs.
	And the way of thinking of that place, it is in you, whether you like it or not, because it's what you were raised with.
	You can't separate yourself from it.
	And this mysticism says, well, I mean, you can just be as Somalian as you like and then join the Congress and you can be Ilhan Omar.
	And she's just as American as you.
	It's like, well, I think the mysticism is kind of wearing off.
	Because, I mean, at least in Ronald Reagan's day, like, there's a kind of impetus to want to be an American, right?
	There's a privilege to it.
	There's a special status that it brings you.
	And so it's a good thing to be an American, but Ilhan Omar doesn't care.
	And loads of them, they're all the same.
	They don't care.
	They're not interested in being an American.
	They're quite happy with their own cultures.
	And your culture is not, doesn't have the kind of draw that it used to because of 20 years of subversion in recent years from the left.
	20 years of guilt.
	Huge, I mean, not in America, obviously, it's much longer, but it's where it's been right at the forefront of the culture, right?
	Since the early 2000s.
	And then in the sort of 2010s, it really burst through the floodgates to be a dominant aspect of American culture, which is essentially hating white people, hating the heritage Americans, enforcing a kind of cultural guilt on them.
	Like, it's less prestigious to be an American now.
	That's the thing.
	It's less appealing.
	So you get lots of people who aren't.
	And so this whole thing, we're like, well, anyone can be an American.
	It's like, well, I mean, anyone could believe in the American creed.
	You know, anyone can come over.
	I mean, Vivek only does such a good impression of passing because he was born and raised there, right?
	Someone who's born and raised, even if they're not of the ethnic group that we're talking about, who's born and raised in that society, knows the folkways of the society because of the thing they were born and raised in.
	They don't know the folkways of another society.
	Like the fact that English people put these fingers up and not this finger, as you've seen on the meme of the, you know, the Nazi meme where he's spotting you're a British spy.
	Like it's small things like that, really small things like that, that give the game away.
	Vivek can swim easily in the culture of America and feel like an American because he's been born and raised there.
	But it's not that easy.
	Like if you just, I mean, in the same way Reagan's like, look, you can't just go to France and be French.
	Even if you, like, it's the same with the Weebs going to Japan, right?
	They're not Japanese, but what they are is like Japanese fanboys.
	And that's fine.
	Because what Reagan is saying here is basically anyone can be an American fanboy.
	Yeah, okay.
	You know, you could be an American fanboy, be an ex-fanboy for any country, but everyone knows you're never really going to be a part of that country.
	You're never going to be really a true core part of that country.
	And so this is what I mean by the mysticism.
	It's like, this is a lie that Reagan and the liberals tell themselves in order to try and create this kind of unity.
	And it's like, well, we can have unity without lies, actually.
	We can have unity without mysticism.
	We can look at it as if we are in fact connected by a kind of metaphysical chain to the people to whom we are actually related.
	And so if some stranger comes over and then introduces themselves, goes through the motions, like the weebs going to Japan and they end up getting married to some Japanese woman and having half Japanese kids.
	Like, that's no one's saying he's as Japanese as like, you know, some ancient emperor or something.
	But he's not going to get rejected.
	He's not just going to get suddenly kicked out of the society because he's obviously proving his worth.
	And so all I'm saying is we can have a joined up unity, a Unitarian society without mysticism, man.
	Without this liberal bullshit that can be easily proven as bullshit.
	So long as you work hard, you play by the rules.
	You make your contributions.
	Obtain your citizenship.
	You are every bit an American as somebody who descended from the Mayflower.
	And that is how Americans get dispossessed of their own country.
	A billion Bamalians can be invited over from Africa and Asia, give them a bunch of passports, say the Pledge of Allegiance.
	You can't see what's in their hearts, so you don't know whether they mean it or not.
	And they are just as American as Americans who know nothing else, who are literally descended from people on the Mayflower and have never left their own country.
	How can that be?
	How can it be that merely a set of words changes the ontological status of people right down to their bone marrow?
	How can it be?
	And the answer is it can't be.
	The answer is there has to be a degree of American-ness.
	And the more American that you are, the more you are inseparable from the culture of America.
	Because at the end of the day, if it is just about a creed, if it is just about a set of ideas, then surely a Somalian can rock up, go, yeah, I can't do an accent, but I pledge, I do the Pledge of Allegiance.
	And then tomorrow, they're like, now I've changed my mind.
	I've changed my mind.
	And suddenly, and Vivi's like, well, you're not an American anymore.
	It's like, yeah, because nothing changed, man.
	Like, this was still a guy from Somalia who got off a boat, who said a few words, said a few more words, and nothing actually changed.
	Nothing essential had changed here.
	It's just the mysticism in the air that, as far as Vivek Ramaswamy is concerned, that has changed.
	It's like, look, man, this is not a real way of looking at what it is to be a member of a society, right?
	This is total BS, wishful thinking, at best, I would say.
	And I'm not saying that there is no legitimacy to having the creedal incorporative identity.
	There is.
	But he is saying there is no legitimacy to the essence of what it is to be an American.
	And that's wrong.
	That is not correct.
	And it's demonstrable.
	I think I've covered it in detail how he's so obviously wrong about that.
	It is called the American dream for a reason.
	There is no Canadian dream.
	There is no British dream.
	It sounds kind of goofy to say it.
	Yeah, because we're not a frontier.
	I mean, there probably could be something called a Canadian dream, but obviously there can't be a British dream because we're not a frontier.
	We're not somewhere that is open for people from around the world to move to to, you know, get gold mining or whatever.
	We're an ancient settled tribal society.
	There's no Chinese dream.
	Okay, it is the American dream that makes American exceptionalism possible.
	And the answer of what it means to be a conservative, this is what it's up to us to answer.
	It is a fork in the road for the future of the conservative movement right now.
	What does it mean to be a conservative if it means we conserve those ideals that define our country?
	Right, so it means we're libs.
	It just means we're liberals.
	It means we're civic-minded liberals who believe that if you just say some magic words, you become a thing.
	You are entered into the Republic of the Kingdom of Ends.
	You are, you are just mystically, it descends upon you.
	And so it's like, why don't you, you could just have entire populations in other countries just say, you know, yeah, I'm an American now and flip provinces.
	Like, why don't you do that?
	And the reason that you don't do that is because it wouldn't fucking work.
	It's because there is something geographical and deterministic and based in lineage about being an American.
	Without this geographic and lineal determinism, it doesn't make sense to call people Americans because what you're promoting is just an ideology.
	And ideologies can be picked up and discarded at will.
	It's not essentially that thing.
	And so this is just mysticism.
	This is just bollocks.
	This is just all stuff that hangs in the air until we decide, nah, I'm just going to let it go.
	And then in a thousand years' time, when future archaeologists dig up Vivek Graham Swami's corpse, they're going to be like, oh, look, an American.
	Then they're going to be like, this is an Indian.
	They're going to do genetic tests and go, oh, this is an Indian man.
	That's interesting.
	They had an Indian man in America.
	I mean, God knows what the demographics of America will look like in a thousand years' time.
	But like, you know, maybe they'll say in Hindi, I don't know.
	But like, they'll be like, oh, yeah, look at how interesting is this?
	But they won't be like, oh, he's part of the founding stock that we understand to be the Americans.
	He's not a part of that.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Understood.
	Understood.
	And now is a moment.
	A time for choosing in the future of our conservative movement.
	Are we going to have the mysticism or are we going to have something that actually bears a resemblance to reality?
	That's what this boils down to.
	To determine with clarity who's actually on that team of conserving the ideals versus who actually is not.
	If you believe that boys should compete with girls in girls' sports, I'm sorry, you're not on the team.
	You have no place in this movement.
	Right.
	Because Vivek is against transgenderism.
	But he is for transnationalism.
	You can just change your nation.
	You can just change the essential biological makeup of your person, or maybe that doesn't even matter.
	And you can change all the habits and customs and language and thoughts and beliefs and behaviors of a lifetime.
	But you can't change your sex for some reason.
	But these are both essential, immutable characteristics of a person.
	And you think one can change but not the other.
	And I think you think one can change but not the other because it would disadvantage you to believe they could both not change.
	Obviously, as a man, you're not bothered about changing into a woman and joining their sports.
	But as someone of Indian descent, you are bothered about the essential, the biologically essential nature of belonging to a nation.
	That obviously matters to you because it would kick you out of the club.
	And so you have to be on the point of this contradiction.
	Yes, we can transnationalize ourselves, but no, we can't transgenderize ourselves because that would be fucking ridiculous.
	And it's like, right, okay, Vivek.
	All right.
	And again, it's not me who's reducing this to these just two categories.
	He's reduced it to two categories.
	You either are, he's literally saying, trans Americans are Americans, is Vivek Ramaswamy's battle cry here.
	Trans Americans are Americans.
	I know that my name is Vivek Ramaswamy, and when in a thousand years they dig me up, the objective metrics of me will be, I am an Indian man, but I'm a trans American.
	I'm just as American as anyone else.
	There's only one type of American, and that's the American, and therefore trans Americans are Americans.
	That's Vivek Ramaswamy's opinion on nationality, but trans women are not women.
	So, okay.
	All right, Vivek.
	And again, I'm not trying to be mean.
	I'm not trying to be exclusionary.
	I'm not trying to say that America Vivek can't in some regards be considered an American.
	But he's the one saying that the lineage of the original founding stock of America doesn't matter at all.
	In the same way that transgender actor Judith Butler would say, no, it doesn't matter that biologically every cell in your body is male.
	You can be a woman.
	You are being held in by these socially conserved.
	I mean, he's literally arguing that the nation itself is socially constructed from the ideology of the people who agree to it.
	This is literally what his argument is.
	Trans Americans are Americans.
	Trans women are women.
	One he agrees with, the other he doesn't.
	It's just wrong.
	It is just contradictory.
	It's just not correct.
	And he's the one who set the tone here.
	He's the one who set the framing.
	In his own framing, he has this contradiction.
	He could adopt a completely different framing like I've been proposing.
	There is the initial heritage Americans of the United States.
	And they have a particular creed.
	And there are people who can buy into this creed.
	And in the same way, you get weebs for any culture, basically.
	You get, you know, Hellenophiles or, you know, Anglophiles or whatever.
	That's basically what he's describing.
	He's an Americanophile.
	It's like, okay, that's fine.
	That's totally fine.
	You know, you can join the United States.
	I'm sure there are lots of people who are happy to have you on their team.
	You're an eloquent speaker, but you have a particular contradiction here, an inconsistency in your own thought.
	And that is not going to go away by simply denying that heritage Americans are not Americans.
	This is not going to work.
	If you believe, thank you.
	It's pretty obvious, but I'm going to say it anyway.
	If you believe in racial quotas and government hiring, you have no place in the conservative movement.
	Sorry, you're not on the team.
	You're free to believe it.
	It's a free country, but you have no place in the conservative movement.
	If you believe in normalizing hatred towards any ethnic group, toward whites, towards blacks, towards Hispanics, towards Jews, towards Indians, you have no place in the future of the conservative movement.
	See, this is a very liberal position as well.
	Now, I'm not suggesting we should be for hatred, obviously.
	Hatred is a profoundly unproductive emotion at the very best of times.
	But this concern with having characterizations about groups is the most liberal thing.
	It's like, yo, you're not allowed to really have an opinion on certain groups.
	It's like, okay, but that means I need to treat everyone as if they're a self-authored atomic individual who exists in no place and no time.
	It's just popped into being in front of me and they have no history, no culture, no connection to anything else.
	That's not true, right?
	But this is kind of what Vivek is getting at here.
	He's just characterizing it as if you're for hatred.
	Well, no one's for hatred, right?
	Again, who is actually like, yeah, I'm just pro-hatred, bro.
	No one's pro-hatred.
	There are issues that need to be spoken about that sometimes can only be spoken about in generalities about groups.
	These are true things, even if they are general things.
	And this means that essentially Vivek is saying you're never allowed to address these issues.
	And, you know, the crime rate is going to reflect that.
	Period.
	And I will not apologize for that.
	I will not hedge when I say it.
	So, Bones, if you believe, and you will forgive me for giving you an exact quote from our online commentator, Nick Fuentes, if you believe that Hitler was pretty fucking cool, you have no place in the future of the conservative movement.
	To be fair, I agree with that.
	Like, why would an American be for Hitler?
	Right?
	Why would Americans be for a bunch of foreigners?
	Like, things have got to have gone so badly wrong for Americans to be like, God, we love the guys that our forefathers were fighting, don't they?
	They have, I mean, and really, I think that's really what this is indicative of: is that the United States as a culture has become so liberal that it's forgotten the importance of lineage.
	Because again, this is what I'm arguing for here, right?
	The lineage of the people matters.
	So you think your primary moral sentiments are to your parents and then to your grandparents and then to the people that came before you.
	And so they are the people that you feel most connected to.
	Well, how liberal does society have to have become if that connection has been severed?
	And as free-floating, radical, liberal individuals, the young men of America are just like, yeah, no, I just think Hitler a cool drip man.
	I just, I just love Hitler, bro.
	Like, how far wrong must you have gone?
	But what happens when you abandon the necessity of lineage?
	What happens when you go and say, no, the lineage of the heritage Americans does not matter?
	Well, then, why can't they just do that?
	Why can't they just be like, yeah, no, I'm for the enemies of America, bro?
	Like, I'm for the people who like declared war on the United States.
	Like, why can't they do that?
	The dominion, the moral dominion of the lineage of the Heritage Americans doesn't matter.
	And if it did matter, then they should feel shame in doing that.
	If it did matter that your grandparents and your, you know, you're depending on how old you are, but I mean, my grandparents, like, went through World War II, fought in World War II, struggled through World War II against an enemy.
	For me to then say, yeah, no, I'm for the enemy means I'm against my grandparents and I've repudiated them.
	But if the lineage doesn't matter, then why wouldn't I do that?
	I think that's immoral, but on what grounds can Vivek say that it's immoral?
	Well, he has to be like, well, let me tell you about ideology.
	Let me tell you about some more mystic words.
	It's like, yeah, but there's something a lot more human that stitches us together to the past that Vivek is here just desperately trying to hack through and sever us from.
	And it's like, yeah, you just assume that everyone's going to agree with your ideology.
	No, actually.
	I think a lot of people on the right are just going to be like, yeah, no, I don't agree with his ideology at all.
	It seems to have severed our connection to the past entirely.
	Maybe there are other ideologies that I like the sound of.
	I'm not sure that's entirely wise, actually.
	You can debate foreign-named Israel all you want.
	That's fine.
	That's fair, but you have no place with that level of hatred.
	You can debate the right resolution of the Russia-Ukraine war.
	But if you believe Joseph Stalin is someone to look up to, you have no place in the future of the conservative movement.
	Did Nick Fuentes say that Joseph Stalin is someone to look up to?
	I don't watch anyone's streams, right?
	I don't watch very much content.
	So Vivek's watching more of this than I am.
	But did Nick Fuentes say that?
	Joseph Stalin, cool boss.
	We should be cool like Joseph Stalin.
	Come on.
	Joseph Stalin had no drip.
	At least you can understand.
	Like the Nazis, the Hugo boss uniforms, the Nazis took their image very seriously.
	Stalin's the most fuddy-duddy guy you've ever seen.
	Like, you know, really boring moustache, really boring trench coats, no drip whatsoever.
	Are we honestly looking up to Stalin here?
	Come on, he wasn't cool.
	If you call Usha Vance, the second lady of the United States of America, a jeet, you have no place in the future of the conservative movement.
	That's not very nice, I agree.
	It's just funny the way you say it.
	And if you can't say those things without stuttering, then you have no place as a leader at any level in the conservative movement either.
	Certainly not in my state of Ohio.
	What if I can say it and only have a smirk, right?
	But I mean, don't get me wrong.
	Like I said, because I believe in things like lineage and genuine human connection, like, I don't think there's any problem with Usha Vance myself.
	I think it's just funny the way he says it.
	She's married JD Vance.
	They have children together.
	Their children are American and Indian.
	So they have a lineal connection to the United States, to heritage Americans.
	So there's no problem there.
	Like, intermarriage is genuinely, traditionally, historically, how you actually make people incorporate into the same people.
	That's literally what it was.
	You literally would take a wife.
	I mean, why do you think all of feudal politics is based on the idea that you take a wife from someone else to cement the alliance?
	Like, the connection, the relationship is built on blood.
	It is bonded there.
	You can't just break it.
	So what, you know, there's no problem with Usha Vance, in my opinion.
	And I agree, like this sort of ideological categorization where it's just like, you know, this, that, or the other.
	I think there are degrees of these things.
	I think the world's far more complex than these just binary categories that you set up, Vivik.
	I think you're not doing yourself any favors when you roll out like Nick Fuentes' greatest jokes and say them on stage because it does come off as kind of funny.
	Just saying.
	Now, does this mean those who have espoused these views remains said these things are bad people?
	Like, it's easy to come here and denounce the local left.
	That part's super easy.
	Coming up here and denouncing a bunch of Groypers in the conservative movement, a little bit harder, but in the scheme of things, I could care less.
	Pretty easy for me.
	The hard part, the hard part is asking the question of where we go from here.
	This is what our country actually requires.
	This is what true leadership demands.
	Sorry, just a quick thing here, right?
	This is very leftist language policing, isn't it?
	Did you call Usha Vance a jeet?
	Get out.
	It's like, what?
	Is this the new N-word?
	I mean, what are we saying?
	Like, are these forbidden words that the free speech conservative wing of America, you're not allowed to ever say these things?
	Or Vivek Ramaswamy, he'll come and eject you from the movement.
	I mean, that sounds very woke-left, doesn't it?
	Sounds very leftist, language policing and ostracizing based on magical words that have been said on the internet.
	It's like, this is just leftism, man.
	This is just pure leftism.
	Like, we are talking about the dispossessed young men, conservative young men of America.
	They are the people that you guys in America should feel obligated towards helping because of the dire straits in which they live.
	Like, the left has totally polluted the culture.
	Immigration is ruining large sways of the country economically.
	The prospects of young men, the H-1B visas, are causing huge issues for these young men because they're filling up the slots on the ladder that these young men are entitled to occupy themselves as they work up way up through their careers.
	And Vivek is just like, no, actually, they call Usha Vance a jeet.
	So off you go into the wilderness, rejected.
	Categorically, it's like, sorry, no, that's just not how it works.
	You still have an obligation to these young men.
	And the thing is, I'm pretty sure he says something like that now.
	But it's just, this is such a weird...
	Why are we ostracizing people?
	Again, I'm not...
	I'm not sure I'm for that.
	I'm actually more for trying to help people.
	Just FYI.
	And we asked the question, are these bad people for saying these things?
	And I think the answer to that question, I think I'm going to tell you something that both Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson ought to be able to agree on.
	I think they will.
	Are these bad people?
	I think the answer to that question is no, because there's no such thing as an inherently bad person, actually.
	Fucking hell.
	I've heard some of the worst stories in the world of people who literally torture others, rape them, and murder them.
	Children, right?
	They've done terrible, terrible things.
	These things come up in the news, and you're just like, Jesus.
	The guy the other day gouged out the woman's eye with a nail on a stick.
	He's just this old woman there, and he's whacks her in the face for no reason.
	He's just walking past her, sees someone vulnerable, whacks her with a stick and gouges her eyes out.
	It's like, that's an inherently bad person, man.
	It's just someone who is just intrinsically evil, unthinkingly evil, spotted a weak person who couldn't fight back, and then sucker hit them with a stick with nails in it and cost them their fucking eye.
	I don't agree.
	I think there are inherently bad people.
	And I'm not a Christian, so I'm not, you know, I'm not doctrinally bound to believe that every individual is good.
	No, I think some people are pieces of shit.
	I think some people are intrinsically bad, but I don't think it's the Groypers who themselves are intrinsically bad.
	I imagine most of the Groypers are actually fairly law-abiding and are just insufferable to you on an ideological level because they're prepared to see your magic words and hit them with their own magic words.
	You go, oh no, not those magic words.
	Those magic words feel mean.
	And I don't like it.
	It's like, okay, yeah, sure.
	But how many crimes per capita do the Groypers actually commit in comparison to other demographics in America?
	I'm going to guess it's actually not that many.
	I'm going to guess that actually they kind of hate the fact that they're law-abiding and they're trying to get you to understand their problems and help them.
	I think that's what they're trying to do.
	And I think you severing the lineage means that you don't feel any obligation to those people.
	And I don't just mean the actual actual lineage either.
	The kind of psychic lineage, the felt reality, the sentiment of obligation that you have to those people you consider your own.
	Like, if I were an American looking at these young white American Gropers, I'd be like, oh, yeah, no, I feel some responsibility for them.
	Like, I personally do anyway, actually, to be honest.
	Like, the last time I went to America, I hung out with John Doyle, and I couldn't help but feel this kind of like, oh, I should be looking out for this lad.
	He's a smart lad, and he's obviously, you know, very like right-wing.
	And it just felt like there was no one else looking out for him.
	And I think him and his friends and sort of the, you know, the sort of mid-20s coming up to 30, that sort of age category, the young men, I just feel that they don't have anyone looking out for them.
	And I don't like that.
	I think actually they should have.
	And so, you know, I try to give them advice wherever I can.
	And Vivek doesn't seem to feel like he does have any obligation to them.
	And I just really disagree with this.
	I think that we do have an obligation to these young lads and we should help them.
	We should give them the ear of sympathy, even if they're acting like Prats.
	Because honestly, right, 90% of Nick Fuentes' career is basically him just acting like a prat to piss you off.
	And that's fine.
	Honestly, a lot of it's funny.
	A lot of it's just him being a troll, right?
	But if you were to actually sit down with him sensibly, like Tucker Carlson did, and actually give him an ear of consideration, not only have you been like, oh no, Tucker Carlson now is an evil guy, but he didn't come across as being a raging lunatic, did he?
	To be honest with you, it was kind of boring.
	And actually, I think what they're really asking for is your consideration.
	Why don't you care about us?
	We're your lads.
	We're your young guys.
	We were fans of you until you basically turned around and said, no, we're total libtards and we hate you because you're straight white men and you're not being libtards.
	It's like, what did you expect?
	You guys are doing fine.
	You're basically, this is all about pulling up the ladder, it seems to me.
	And I'm sorry, I just can't, I can't countenance.
	I don't like it.
	And it really strikes me as being irresponsible when some 40-year-old guy who's a multi-millionaire standing in front of millions of people on the cameras and a huge audience is just like, yeah, you know, those fucking poor, dispossessed, rootless young white lads who have got no opportunities in society.
	Fuck those guys.
	They said Usha Vance is a jeet.
	It's like, do you even hear yourself?
	Do you even hear yourself?
	Like, you have a burden of responsibility, regardless of whether they have called Usha Vance a jeet.
	You have a burden of responsibility to help them.
	They're the next generation of the right.
	And if they are not imbibing your moral philosophy, you've got to ask yourself why.
	Where have we gone wrong?
	The ideological liberal conservatives, where have we gone wrong if none of the youth buy into the bullshit that we're selling?
	Why don't they?
	And the answer is: the thing that you believe is what produced the current civilization that you have, and it's hurting them.
	It is making their lives worse.
	It is taking their country away from them.
	You have failed them, and you don't seem to understand that you failed them.
	And I don't see why they should go, oh well, yeah, good point, Vivek.
	I'm sorry I could call Usha Vance nasty names.
	You know, I'm sorry.
	And I don't even blame JD Vance for being like upset about this.
	Obviously, he's going to be upset because they're insulting his wife.
	And his wife's cooking, apparently.
	Obviously, he's going to feel upset about this.
	But actually, I'm surprised that someone like JD Vance isn't sensitive to this.
	I'm actually surprised that JD Vance doesn't understand that as a man of about the same age as me, he should have some kind of protective feelings towards the men in their 20s who've got nowhere to go and no one else to help them.
	Right?
	He should be their guy.
	He should be looking out for them and their interests in the same way that every other group in society has people looking out for their own, their younger ones, their inferior ones, the ones who are coming up.
	That's all insectionalism was.
	That's all Black Lives Matter was.
	All it was is the olders looking out for the youngers in that demographic, in those communities.
	And for some reason, the Republicans still haven't got the fucking message.
	For some reason, they still don't understand that the reason that Nick Fantas is possible as a political force in the right is because nobody is looking out for these young men.
	This is what I truly believe.
	And if we want to act as if we are the morally responsible conservatives of the world, then we've got to understand our own failures and look them square in the face and say, yeah, actually, we're sorry.
	We made you, we allowed you to become what you are because we failed to hold the line and defend your interests before you were even adults, before you were even able to vote, to even make a political argument.
	Before any of this had happened, you had been screwed over by our moral weakness, by Vivek Ramaswamy's moral weakness.
	And it's not acceptable, is it?
	It's just not acceptable.
	The Christian faith that Charlie espoused teaches us that every one of us, every one of you, is made in the image of God.
	My Hindu faith teaches us that God and his divinity resides in each of us, that we're truly equal in the most moral sense.
	There is no such thing as an inherently bad person.
	There's only ever an inherently good person that exists.
	But sometimes...
	Well, what does it even mean to be an inherently good person if there are no inherently bad people?
	Like...
	If everyone is just an inherently good person who sometimes does bad things, then what's the point of even having the term inherently good?
	Meaningless.
	Good people do and say bad things.
	How did I know he was going to say that?
	Believe they're doing the right thing, but they're still doing the wrong thing.
	And the job of a true leader is to understand why.
	So, okay, tell me why the inherently good person who walked past that little old lady and decided to gouge her eye out with a fucking plank of wood.
	Tell me why he made that decision.
	Show some leadership.
	Explain that guy to me.
	Because I think he might just be a piece of shit inherently.
	I think his rap sheet probably demonstrates that.
	And then to step up and actually fix it.
	And the issue in our country right now, all jokes aside, is that we are in the middle.
	All of this, everything we've just talked about, from the woke left to the Goiper right, these are symptoms of a generational crisis of purpose and meaning in our country.
	Depression, anxiety, addiction, higher than we've ever seen in American history in your generation, in Gen Z. Economic insecurity, which I understand.
	Feeling like you work hard, not quite getting ahead.
	Home ownership out of reach for a 30-year-old.
	Took on that four-year college debt and degree, but without being able to get that right job, has created economic angst.
	You combine that with the failures of an educational system that are failing our youth day to day when 75% of eighth graders are not proficient in math and 70% of them aren't proficient in reading.
	Something that makes the left upset when I say it because they think that's racist, and something that makes some of my friends on the right upset because they take it as a personal insult.
	The truth is, years of woke indoctrination and victimhood psychology in our schools, we were complaining about it, not because we were culture warriors alone, but because that has consequences.
	Okay.
	So you've just conceded that the system is stanked against the straight white men.
	And maybe us as the older straight white men, you as an honorary straight white man, the system being stacked against us wasn't such a bad thing.
	Because when we were at school, when we were coming up, it wasn't that bad.
	And so we didn't have the same systemic disadvantages as the straight white men now.
	Now, I'm not saying that we should take on a victim mentality, obviously.
	I don't like victimhood, obviously.
	But we can't use that as a shield, as a smokescreen, to hide the fact that you've just conceded that there are structural issues in not just America, but in Britain as well.
	But let's talk about America in particular.
	There are structural issues in America that need to be affirmatively purged.
	They need to be fixed.
	There are people holding positions indoctrinating children, perverting the nature of what is appropriate for American society, who just need to be fucking fired, if not prosecuted for the damage that they've done to the children, right?
	You can't just be like, right, okay, so pull yourself up by the bootstraps, just believe correctly, and you can just, you know, just knuckle down and get through it somehow.
	No, there is a real problem.
	It is real.
	It has to be fixed.
	Structurally, there are things in America that the left have fucked.
	You have to unfuck them.
	And a part of that is not saying, oh, right, guys, well, we're going to return to colorblind meritocracy now.
	It's like, no, You need to root out the anti-white, anti-male bias, the active discrimination that takes place in these institutions.
	You need to find it and destroy it.
	That's what you need to be doing.
	JD Vance, you need to be going on some kind of inquisition, basically.
	Find anything that seems to have an animus against straight white men and fire it, remove it, expunge it, extirpate it.
	You have to make sure that the narrative for straight white men in America is a positive one.
	Yes, straight white men built America.
	Obviously, that's what you should be affirmatively saying because it is true.
	It is a truth of America that it was built by straight white men.
	All of your founding fathers are straight white Anglos.
	Unsurprisingly, right?
	Because the lineage matters.
	All of these things are true.
	And you should be able to affirmatively, proudly say that they are true and not hide behind the liberal smokescreen, well, I don't think that these things matter at all.
	No, they do matter.
	They're the reason that you have had the country that you had.
	And the reason your country is getting worse is the absence of these things.
	You have to have the courage to say it.
	So we have to fix it.
	And it's up to us to do this now.
	And I mean this message as bitter medicine for everyone in my shoes.
	Leadership in the Republican Party, myself included, to swallow.
	Now we can't blame the Democrats anymore.
	Truth is, we won the election last year.
	We control all three branches of the federal government.
	In my home state, we control all three branches of the state government.
	If we don't get this right now, we have nobody left to blame but ourselves.
	That is on us.
	That is the standard you hold us to.
	Which is why we need more H-1Bs.
	And if I fail, if we fail, vote us the heck out of office.
	That is the fate we deserve.
	So that's on us now.
	No more just, you know, cable news screaming about Schumer shutdowns or whatever it is, right?
	I just, it bores me.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's up to us.
	We have a chance to lead with our own vision.
	Blaming the Democrats isn't enough.
	That's on us.
	But I also have an ask in closing of each of you here tonight, especially Gen Z, especially the next generation of young conservatives who I believe are actually going to save this country.
	Do not repeat the mistakes of the woke left.
	The number one mistake of the woke left, I will ask you, I will implore you not to repeat as young conservatives is don't be a victim.
	The number one factor, thank you.
	Victimhood culture from the left or the right will be the ruin of this country.
	The number one factor, not the only factor, but the number one factor that determines whether each and every one of you achieves your goals in life is actually you.
	Well, I mean, yes, ideally.
	But if you are a straight white man and you are literally being directly, physically discriminated against, it actually could be something that's not you.
	It actually could be that, for example, in Hollywood or in the media or anywhere in academia, they literally just say, oh no, we're not having any of these useless straight white men, as the RAF said.
	So actually, there could be literally an intersectional industrial complex that is actively keeping you out.
	Now, like I said, I'm not advocating for a victimhood mentality, obviously.
	But what's the opposite of a victimhood mentality?
	Well, you have to create an affirmative mentality about the people that you are based on what you are, your identity.
	So we have to have an affirmative way of describing what straight white men are and their contribution to the world.
	And Vivek has said nothing of that because he is ultimately, and at the bottom of it, a liberal.
	He just wants to go back to the liberal platitudes of we're all just atomized individuals who pop into existence and then we create ourselves throughout the course of our lives.
	And the system itself is essentially neutral.
	The system itself is essentially a neutral series of structures.
	It's like, that's not true.
	That's not true.
	You know that's not true.
	And you've identified how that's not true.
	So let's stop pretending that it's true so we can actually deal with the real issues.
	Because I don't think this appeal to young men and say, look, young men, just believe in the things we believe and everything will be fine.
	I don't think they buy it, mate.
	I don't think they're buying it.
	And I don't think they will until you actually have something for them that gives them hope for the future.
	And I think that your position here isn't doing that.
	We'll leave that there.
	I think that's covered everything I want to cover with Vivek.
	It's so frustrating watching them fumble this, completely fumble.
	They don't know what they're doing.
	And honestly, genuinely, it's disappointing from Vance.
	Because I like Vance.
	Vance is very smart.
	Vance understands the importance of these things, I think.
	And so watching Vance not quite get it because Nick Fuentes has upset him is frustrating.
	I expected better, frankly.
	Nick Ferantes is a 27-year-old shit poster.
	If he is putting you out of tilt, if he is causing you to lose your own sense of centeredness and self-control, then that's on you, I think.
	I can't imagine what a 27-year-old could say to me that would make me like get angry, frankly, at this point.
	I'm sorry.
	I just don't think 27-year-olds know anything.
	So anyway, I'm not trying to throw a shade or anything.
	I don't even dislike Nick Fuentes.
	He is gay, though.
	but you know i don't i don't dislike anyone really um and i am like i said i do feel i guess it's because i'm a dad I do feel a kind of fatherly obligation to these young men.
	It's like, I can't help it.
	It's like, no, we should be helping these guys out.
	I don't like watching them struggling through a really, really difficult culture that just genuinely kind of despises them on the left and the right.
	This is essentially Vivek Gramaswamy saying, yeah, you're on your fucking own.
	All right.
	I'm not going to bother with you.
	And I don't like that.
	really don't like that i just i just find it very uncomfortable All right.
	So I have to say, there have been a lot of super chats and it's gone.
	I've been going for nearly two hours now.
	So my voice is going.
	So there are lots of them that are Merry Christmas.
	So I'm just going to say thank you now in advance for all of the ones that say Merry Christmas.
	I hope you guys have had a great year.
	We've worked really hard.
	Me and the Lotuses crew worked really, really hard this year.
	And it's been a good year for us, actually.
	We've worked really hard.
	So I just want to say thank you for all your support.
	Thank you for watching all the videos you did.
	In fact, Dan and I did another one of our hour-long deep dives into the political.
	We've been doing these every week just because things are happening in Britain.
	They're just subtle things.
	These sort of hour-long deep dives.
	And they're my favorite ones to do each week now.
	Like I've got a document that whenever something happens, I just put this thing into the document, the link into the document.
	And it all just comes together perfectly because there is clearly something happening in Britain at the moment.
	We've got another one of those up on the podcast of the Lydices channel.
	So definitely go check that out because it's a banger.
	Absolute banger, actually.
	The ending of it, I think, brilliant.
	It's like a fairy tale almost.
	But I think it's because we're right.
	I think it's because we're right about this.
	But just thank you, everyone, for the well wishes and the Merry Christmases.
	Merry Christmas to you as well.
	And it's going to be a long day tomorrow because we've got 10 people in my house tomorrow.
	Because I've got family coming to visit.
	And I've got to cook for them.
	I've got a cook for everyone.
	So it's like, oh, God.
	It's going to be a long day tomorrow.
	But I am looking forward to it.
	I'm sure it's going to be a lot of fun.
	So yes, thank you.
	All the Merry Christmas ones.
	Thank you.
	Okidor says, I want to say the reason for the hiring practice Harry was talking about is try and get the preferred hires off the welfare system in the UK.
	I'm afraid I don't know what that reference is to.
	But thank you.
	Again, I'm scrolling through the street chat.
	Thank you, by the way.
	Buck Quack says, me when I go to India.
	I'm Brahmin, by the way.
	That's great.
	That's really great, actually.
	That's really, really great.
	Actually, being a Brahmin is a set of ideals.
	And actually, anyone could be a Brahmin.
	Does that work in India?
	I'm not sure that it does.
	There'll be some Indian being like, there are degrees of Brahmin-ness.
	Silver says, I found myself growing into a bill-cutting Gansdom New York mindset.
	I'm afraid I haven't seen Gangs in New York.
	He says, I'm a true Native American, a German, Polish, Italian, English, genetic mutt who's raised in the millennial American culture.
	Well, the thing is, you're not from somewhere else.
	That's the thing.
	I think there is an ethnogenesis that has happened in America.
	And so the Americans are an ethnic group.
	I think a lot of Americans aren't happy with the fact that it includes the blacks as well, but I think the blacks are Americans.
	They're not Africans, you know.
	LSD says, Carl, I was a center-right liberal and you have helped completely change my worldview of the last few years.
	Well, honestly, man, I've changed my own.
	You know, this was why I was doing the philosophy degrees.
	Like, okay, I want to properly understand what it is we think here.
	And to be able to identify the mysticism, the ideology, and the presuppositions of the things that we think.
	And so I've changed my own mind.
	And I think I have a richer and more accurate assessment of what it is that we are actually looking at rather than just, you know, any basic bitch, you know, like poll psi degree on these things.
	This is not sufficient.
	You know, the sort of Karl Kalinsky analysis of things is not sufficient.
	And we need to be able to properly understand.
	Generico for $50.
	Thanks, man.
	Says, Merry Christmas.
	Thanks for another great year and everything you do.
	Love and best wishes from your Anglo-kin in Australia.
	Well, I hope everything's going great in Australia.
	Shame I couldn't go and visit, really, isn't it?
	You know?
	But thanks very much, man.
	And yeah, I mean, like I said, everyone works really hard.
	I'm so, so lucky to have the team that I have.
	And I'm just so glad that everyone spends so much time studying.
	Everyone's so much fun.
	We have so many really great debates in the office about these issues.
	All of the issues.
	Everyone chips in.
	We've got an open plan office for a reason.
	And one of the reasons I wanted it is just so we could have office-wide discussions on any issue.
	And anyone could just chip in with whatever they want.
	And we have them all the time.
	And it really, I love the atmosphere in the office.
	It's just so great when we get to have these debates and just to get on with our work and stuff.
	So just thank you.
	The litmus test is war support.
	USA versus India in a war.
	Who does Vivek pick up a weapon for?
	That's the Enoch Powell position.
	Chris says, you and the Lotus team really knocked it out of the park this year.
	Thank you.
	Have you noticed that some of the most powerful people in the world at the moment are from India?
	Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?
	Like loads of companies have got Indian CEOs and things like this.
	I'm sure it's just meritocracy that's led to that.
	But yeah, thank you again, everyone who's saying Merry Christmas.
	Much appreciated.
	There was an Islander number one going for £500 on eBay.
	Bloody hell.
	Yes, we will have a new issue of Islander out in the spring, in January.
	It's a banger.
	So I've written an incredible article for it, if I do say so myself.
	And there is an amazing article in it.
	I'm sure there's amazing that I haven't been able to read yet because it's currently at the printers at the moment by Morgoth titled, Why Does 40k Have Cutthrough?
	And why does it matter?
	And because the subject and the theme of the issue is heroism in modernity.
	And so I've written an excellent article about this, but I haven't yet read Morgoth's.
	And what's really annoying is that, like, Rory was showing me it.
	And he showed me Morgoth's wild.
	I was like, oh, God, I can't wait to read that.
	You know, he's going to have an incredible take.
	I know he's going to have a great take on this.
	And I can't wait to see what it is.
	I can't wait to read it myself.
	And so it's kind of frustrating that I have to wait about a month, or not even a month, probably, a few weeks, till I can actually read this article.
	So I'm actually chomping at the bit to get a copy of the new one myself.
	So I can enjoy it.
	So yes, Islander number five will be coming in January and it is going to be incredible.
	The artwork on the cover is brilliant.
	It really does summarize the beast that is being contained by the bureaucracies at the moment.
	And you can feel the pressure building, man.
	You can feel it.
	Like, the feminized bureaucracies.
	They're not going to hold this down forever.
	Jacob says, for $50, thanks, man.
	You downplayed how much you and the Lotus Cease has affected the US.
	I know many builders and tradesmen in their late 30s, mid-40s that listen to you and read Islander.
	You know what?
	Right?
	My dad says the same thing to me quite a lot.
	Like, we're really getting to the sort of places where we want to be, you know, changing the sort of minds that we want to change.
	And what it's always funny as well, because like the hosts get recognized practically everywhere, you know, like you'll see that they've all got stories of it.
	Like, you know, I was on the train this one goes, oh my God, you're, you know, Harry from Lotus Case or whatever it is, you know.
	And it's just like, okay, that's great.
	You know, that actually means we're having the effect that we want to have.
	So, you know, absolutely superb.
	Sassy Soda says, as a mutt, I understand my American English side pretty well, but not my Mexican-Spanish side.
	What if Alt Hist makes it seem like endless suffering?
	I'd love it in Union Minions.
	We could do a deep dive on that side.
	You know, I don't know much about it myself.
	And the thing is, I'm kind of the same.
	Like, I'm basically English and Welsh.
	English from my dad's side and Welsh from my mum's side.
	And I don't really understand my Welsh side.
	I don't feel any affinity with my Welsh side.
	And it's not that I don't like Wales or something.
	There's nothing wrong with Wales.
	I've visited Wales.
	Welsh are lovely people.
	But I've just never felt anything other than English.
	And the ancestry updated their DNA, by the way.
	So I know now that I'm 41% Welsh and 36% English.
	And then a total mutt in that other sort of third.
	But the only side of myself that I've ever felt is just English.
	I've never felt anything else.
	So my third Englishness is the only thing that matters in the way that I think of identity.
	So I'm totally with you on this.
	I've never really thought about that.
	But I'm not at all saying that Bo or someone else couldn't do a deep dive on Mexico.
	Might be interesting, actually.
	Kyle says, Heritage American, my middle name is Reed.
	Or Red.
	All the men on my mum's side down to my son, coming from founding father George Reid, who signed the Declaration of Independence, drafted and ratified the Constitution Bill of Rights.
	There we go, man.
	Like, that's literally the lineage that we are told does not matter.
	I'm sorry, but it does matter.
	Morgan says, for $200, man, thanks.
	Started on you during Gamergate.
	We've had a ride, bro.
	Your arguments for the last three years are so powerful, I use them all the time.
	Your evolution of the past eight years was a pleasure to behold.
	Thank you for your honesty, bro.
	You're a real one.
	We're going to pound them red raw.
	Well, thanks, man.
	And this is the thing.
	Once, like, we have to be forgiving to the liberals as well.
	They are trapped in a kind of magical spell, right?
	And it was very difficult, and it took me a long time to come out of this spell.
	It's very uncomfortable.
	It's very difficult to just, like, be it's like coming out of the Matrix, genuinely.
	You know, you feel like the slime coming off of you.
	And you realize that it's just bugs.
	Everything you believe is not real.
	And I've, you know, worked really hard to provide a moral alternative as well.
	I probably will end up writing a book about this at some point.
	But it's been a long journey.
	And thank you for staying with me, by the way, on that.
	And thank you for $200, man.
	That's amazing.
	Thank you so much.
	It's been a long journey.
	It's been hard as well.
	I was going to do this stream about Andrew Tate, actually, because I was watching.
	I didn't watch the fight, but I saw the clips of his fight.
	And I watched his stream afterwards.
	And I thought it was unnecessarily Humble, which is not something you would normally say about Andrew Tate, right?
	But it was unnecessarily chastened.
	And I think I will do a video on it because I want to properly explain what I mean.
	But I think he's not giving himself the real credit.
	It felt kind of defensive, and there was no need for him to be defensive, even though he was saying he wasn't being defensive.
	There was still this aura of defensiveness in it.
	He was saying all the right things, though.
	But I felt that he didn't truly believe them.
	But I'll do a video on it.
	I'll do a video.
	But again, thank you for all the Merry Christmases that I'm skipping over here.
	Tim says, Merry Christmas, Carl, for 50 New Zealand dollars.
	Thank you.
	God bless you.
	And here's something for the lads.
	Pipe Front from New Zealand.
	Question: Me, mum's listening to a rather catchy marching song on Instagram called Erica.
	Should I be concerned?
	This is a real banger.
	I'm not familiar with that at all, so it's probably a meme.
	I'm just that's just passed me by, I'm afraid.
	Thank you, Magrim, for the $50 Su Chat.
	Saw your video on the EU DSA and censorship.
	There is a justice in Brazil named Moraeus.
	Guy censored Rumble.
	Yeah, I'm aware of him actually.
	And American Citizens on American soil.
	You got Magnisti acted, though.
	This December the US lifted the sanctions.
	Well, I mean, why should they lift the sanctions?
	You know, fuck those people.
	I love, I love that Marco Rubio, even though he's not the most American American that could have ever Americaned.
	I love that Marco Rubio has just come out as an absolute warrior on all of this.
	He's like, no, you're not coming to America.
	You're not coming to America.
	Fuck you.
	You're sanctioned.
	Like, this is brilliant.
	This is exactly the kind of throw your weight around.
	You know, actually impose on these people your own moral standards.
	You know, the United States and the Americans can do this and should do this.
	Because frankly, obviously, the First Amendment is a better moral standard for literally anyone than not, you know, than the administrative life proposed by the European Union and all the socialists.
	It's obviously way better.
	So you can be confident in this, completely confident in this.
	Dan says, you're missing the fact that culture is downstream from religion.
	You'll never have a worthwhile culture until a majority is following Christ and his teachings.
	That's what made the West great and why things fell apart after when people are banning God.
	Well, yeah, I'm not saying that's not true, but I'm saying that a lot of people are atheists and just saying convert to religion isn't persuasive to them.
	So, you know, I'm going to get them where they are, I think.
	And Arrickius says, reconquer your life.
	And I agree with that.
	I think that's good.
	But a part of that is accepting that there are actual, there are structural issues and they have to be fixed.
	And if we don't fix them, they never get any better.
	And the people who are illegitimate and illicitly in the positions that they're in are gaining without just cause.
	They don't deserve it.
	And this is what justice is: people getting what they deserve.
	And a lot of people are getting things they don't deserve, which is fundamentally unjust.
	So this has to be fixed.
	And again, I'd like to make an appeal to JD Vance.
	Bro, come on.
	You are a much more influential and mature person than Nick Fuentes.
	You have accomplished far more than he has.
	You're an ex-Navy SEAL, weren't you?
	You know, veteran of some sort, you know, the vice president of America.
	And everyone likes you a lot.
	You shouldn't be shitting on these guys from a great height.
	You should be empathizing and understanding why they are who they are.
	And it's up to you to actually sort of take them under your wing and help them.
	I think once you help them, they'll be a lot more forgiving than you realize.
	Anyway, thank you for joining me, folks.
	Have a wonderful Christmas.
	I have already done my present wrapping, so I wasn't using this as an excuse to not wrap presents.
	I did that.
	I'm diligent.
	I'm doing all of the right things as much as I can.
	Oh, Jeremy, man, happy, Merry Christmas.
	It's maybe the dirtiest Magic the Gathering player in history.
	Look, man, don't complain because I kick your arse at Magic the Gathering.
	Just because I'm just a better kind, a better class of Magic the Gathering player than you.
	Don't you complain.
	Man, I'm glad to see you thriving.
	Glad to see you doing well, man.
	Shoot me a DM on Twitter and we'll do a stream after Christmas or something.
	We'll just hang out and shoot the shit, right?
	But no, I'm glad you're doing great, man.
	Glad you're doing great.
	And have a great Christmas, everyone.
	Go be happy with your families.
	Show them a lot of love.

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