Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin - Explaining the Zoomers to Baron Finkelstein

Dec. 20, 2025 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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Explaining the Zoomers to Baron Finkelstein

My chat with Bret Weinstein: https://youtu.be/bdX3GApiZKA
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	Hi folks, I believe that I am live.
	Hope you're all doing very well today.
	It is freezing today, isn't it?
	And I just, I mean, I like the winter, man, but it's insufferably cold.
	I left the window open in here all day when I was out.
	And I've come back and it's freezing.
	So my fingers are frozen.
	So I'll probably be trying to warm them up.
	Anyway, right, so I thought I would do a stream talking about an idea whose time has come.
	And before we begin this, I just want to preface that I would like to make it very clear that I am not in favour of the kind of low IQ anti-Semitism that is being flung Lord Baron Finkelstein's way.
	I think it's at best deeply unproductive and at worst quite cruel.
	And I don't really like cruelty, especially when there is actually a serious conversation to be had here.
	So just to make sure that my position on that is crystal clear, in the unlikely event that the Lord Baron decides to actually watch this stream and try and listen to a perspective that isn't his own.
	Because I think this is really what the problem is and where the issue stems from.
	Is that the Lord Baron Finkelstein is deeply ideological.
	He doesn't seem to understand that actually he is maintaining a contradiction between his tributary held beliefs and the tributary held beliefs of someone else that are actually very similar to his, but just for the English.
	And this is an issue that I think it really has to be spoken about.
	But I would like to speak about it in respectful terms.
	Because while he hasn't been respectful to the people he's been dealing with, I think the people from should probably clear that up.
	While he hasn't been respectful to the people who've been trying to engage with him respectfully on this issue, we on the other side are still going to do our best to be respectful back towards him.
	I mean, after all, he is a Lord of the Realm.
	I can understand why this has been very difficult for him, though, because he has had, I mean, a lot of people being very mean to him.
	And like I said, I don't approve of that.
	I think that actually there is an opportunity here to try and make people understand exactly what it is that is being asked for.
	Because I think actually the things that are being asked for are not very unreasonable and are easily misinterpreted, especially when you have someone who is responding in bad faith to good faith actors.
	And I think that for a large portion of their interaction, the Lord Baron Finkelstein has been very disrespectful and operating in bad faith towards a friend and ex-employee of mine called Connor Tomlinson.
	And I think that this is not fair.
	And I think it comes from a particular position of privilege.
	And I think it's actually indicative of a problem that the conservative movement has failed to address.
	In fact, in many ways, they've been, frankly, steamrolling the issue forward as if there would be no second or third order consequences.
	And there are.
	And we are witnessing them right now.
	So as I said, as sympathetic as I am to the Lord Baron Finkelstein being sent very nasty messages on Twitter, I think he maybe needs to log off, if that's too much of a problem, and actually think about his responsibilities as an ordained lord of the realm.
	Because I'm quite actually a traditionally minded person when it comes to the monarchy and the aristocrats, the peerage, the barons, the lords, the dukes that we have in this country.
	I actually quite like that we still have these medieval holdovers as a political force in the country.
	It connects us back to the Magna Carta.
	So I think it was 25 barons who were charged with upholding the Magna Carta.
	I'm not suggesting the Lord Baron Finkelstein is one of them.
	But the point being, whilst we still have the Barons, I feel that we should still have the Magna Carta.
	And I realise that the Labour Party is doing everything they can to whittle away one of the few remaining, I think there are three remaining clauses that still count from the Magna Carta, and the Labour Party wants to take away our trial by jury.
	And instead of raising the alarm about that, which I think, as a British and English peer, a peer of England at the very least, the Lord Baron Finkelstein should be making a bit of a big deal out of that.
	I personally find that spiritually offensive.
	How dare they think they can do this?
	But for some reason, our barons are more interested in policing racism from Generation Z.
	And I think I can see the disconnect.
	I think I can see wherein the problem lies.
	Because they seem to think that the ladders that they climbed are still there, or perhaps they don't care that they've been kicked out after they ascended to their lofty perches.
	Well, I'm sorry, I care.
	And so do the young men now who have failed to adopt the Lord Baron Finkelstein's centre-right moderate conservatism, particularly liberal version of conservatism.
	And he should really reflect on why that is.
	Why is it that they feel that ideology doesn't serve them?
	Well, we'll talk about it, and then we'll talk about the contradictions.
	Anyway, so you will know the Lord Baron Finkelstein from Nick Fuentes' interview with Piers Morgan, in which he had his intercession, because Piers Morgan thought he would be able to shame Nick Fuentes and by proxy Nick Fuentes' fans by saying, look, here is the Lord Baron Finkelstein.
	His grandparents were killed by Stalin and Hitler.
	Therefore, do you actually deserve to have a country that serves you and not any random foreigner who the Conservative or Labour governments import against your will?
	And for some reason, this argument was not terribly persuasive.
	And I think that there are pretty good reasons why.
	But before we go into it, let's talk about the Lord Daniel Finkelstein.
	So he has been a political advisor, journalist, author, politician, former executive editor of The Times, a regular columnist at the Jewish Chronicle.
	He was an advisor to John Major and Conservative leader of the Conservative Party, William Hague.
	So not terribly successful prime ministers then, actually.
	And he was made a peer in the House of Lords under David Cameron.
	So the Blairite Liberal Conservatives decided to make him a lord.
	So okay, well, there we go.
	Was something that has happened in this country, unfortunately.
	We had Blair, then we had Cameron, and now we have the Lord Baron Finkelstein to carry their legacy.
	Is that a good legacy?
	Is it working?
	Is the country better for it?
	And the answer is, of course, no.
	The country has never been worse.
	And there appears to be no hope on the horizon.
	There's no light at the end of the tunnel.
	There's no end in sight.
	But for some reason, the Lord Baron Finkelstein has decided, and it's probably because of his age, he's 63, roughly the same age as Piers Morgan.
	Not quite a boomer, but the very oldest cohort of Gen X.
	So basically a boomer.
	And I, as the very youngest cohort of Gen X, basically a millennial, but not quite, I'm not happy with the fact that the older ones, which we can just call the boomer, conservatives, are unable to realign their worldview to properly understand that things have changed and that there's no going back with this kind of attitude.
	We can't restore what has been taken from us and from our children with their perspectives.
	We just can't do that.
	And so they would say, no, I am committed to a particular moral framework.
	I'm committed to a particular moral position.
	And therefore, despite the fact that not only did Labour begin this process, but my party, the Conservative Party, by the way, do horrific things to this country, we can't take it back.
	So you're just going to have to live with it.
	Because I am the Lord Baron Finkelstein, and it doesn't matter to me because I'm wealthy, successful, and who knows how much longer the Lord Baron Finkelstein will be with us.
	And so is it his problem?
	No.
	But it's your problem.
	And this intransigence on the position of the Piers Morgan demographic is not persuasive.
	I mean, here he is just sat in his baronial robes.
	And then you realize, right?
	So it's not just that there's an age issue here.
	There is definitely a class issue, right?
	Because he's been engaged in a furious back and forth with Connor on Twitter who doesn't have any peerage.
	He doesn't have any titles.
	He doesn't even own any land because he's a Zoomer in modern Britain and can't afford to.
	He doesn't own anything.
	His prospects are not nearly as good as the Lord Baron Finkelsteins.
	I can't remember.
	Where was he the peer of again?
	I can't remember where it was.
	Let me see if I can find it.
	It's got to be in here.
	Baron Finkelstein of Pinna in the London borough of Harrow.
	Well, Connor doesn't own a single borough.
	He doesn't have any entitlements and privileges that come with it bestowed upon him by Queen Elizabeth II.
	Connor doesn't have any of that.
	Just like on Piers Morgan's show, very few people have three properties like Piers Morgan has.
	Very few people are multi-millionaires, actually.
	And the people that they are shitting on from a great height are much lower in the class hierarchy than Piers Morgan and the Lord Baron Finkelstein that he can bring on to berate Nick Fruentes for not being sufficiently liberal.
	So I found this post by Dr. Jen Isaacson, which is a really, really good summary of the issue.
	Because like I said, this has been going on for days now.
	And I don't want to continually reiterate, like, you know, thousands and thousands of words worth of explanation.
	But I think this is, I've been watching it going back and forth on my Twitter timeline.
	I think Jen here has got a great summary of it.
	This week's back and forth between Daniel Finkelstein and Connor Tomlinson has been incredibly indicative of the stalemate between Boomer men and Zuma men.
	Connor is polite, clear, and forthcoming, whilst Daniel is obtuse, snied, and evasive about the contradictions Connor highlights, as if pretending that they exist rather than providing an argument will magic them away.
	Is it any wonder some Gen Z men give up on a good faith approach when they see how it's received?
	Yes, the meme replies are infantile and hideous, but when Tomlinson tries to articulate a serious position, his concerns aren't given any room or responded to, let alone a good faith reception.
	Now, again, I can't help but feel that the Lord Baron Finkelstein should probably consider himself, especially as a conservative, to have some kind of patriarchal duty here, some kind of paternalistic perspective, but a paternalistic role in society.
	Because, of course, he is a Lord Baron and he should be one of the stewards of the realm.
	And if large numbers of young men in the realm are saying, well, hang on a second, this is terrible.
	Why has this been done?
	To whom can we petition for redress?
	You would think the peerage would be like, well, isn't that our responsibility to take care of the country?
	I mean, we do own some of it, right?
	We are the ones with the titles looking at the state of the country and saying, right, okay, this is meant to be our investment.
	This is meant to be the thing we are stewards of and would presumably pass down to their children or to whoever.
	Isn't this our responsibility?
	But instead, the Lord Baron Finkelstein has been a bitch, a total bitch towards Connor.
	And I'm sick of it.
	I'm sick of seeing it.
	And Connor had to endure so much abuse from such a privileged person on this subject, purely because of ideology.
	Pure ideological hatred came from the Lord Baron Finkelstein towards Connor for asking for something that the Lord Baron Finkelstein in other contexts concedes.
	And this really bothers me.
	I really hate seeing privileges abused, actually.
	I'm fine with people having entitlements and privileges.
	Like I said, I like the idea of lords and barons.
	I actually think that's cool.
	I'm glad that they exist.
	But I think they come with them a weight of expectation.
	You owe these people something, my Lord Baron.
	You do not owe them being snide, obtuse, and evasive.
	You owe them honesty and consideration to understand that not only are they your countrymen, they are your inferiors.
	They are not your equals.
	They are not Lord Barons.
	They are not in any way ennobled.
	So you should be nice to them.
	And I just want to be clear: I've actually met a bunch of lords in the time I've done this, and they've all been absolutely lovely and respectful to me and completely kind.
	So I was particularly disgusted to see the Lord Baron Finkelstein's response here.
	But anyway, let's carry on.
	It's killing Charlie Kirk to get Nick Fuentes all over again metaphorically.
	If conservative men who are nationalists that fall roughly into the civic category are dismissed out of hand and sneered at, okay, enjoy the puerile nonsense and ethno-nationalism that increases.
	The discourse can be changed at any time.
	You just have to get up to speed with how things are and stop relying on the tropes of the past.
	And this is the problem.
	The Lord Baron Finkelstein is fighting the last war over and over and over.
	However, to the Zoomers, the last war could have been a thousand years ago because no one in their lives lived through it.
	The Lord Baron Finkelstein didn't live through it.
	Piers Morgan didn't live through it.
	And the grandparents of the Zoomers are all the boomers now.
	They didn't live through it.
	So the direct lived connection to the war, which was a psychic event that shook everyone of that generation, well, the boomers, Lord Finkelstein, Piers Morgan, whoever, could say, well, my parents went through this.
	My parents lived through this event.
	A really dramatic event that cost so many lives and so much hardship.
	And so we have a personal connection to that.
	Well, the Zoomers can't say the same thing.
	To them, World War II, the Holocaust, or whatever it is, has passed into historical myth.
	It is just part of history now.
	And it is not sufficient to just say, right, because of something that happened long before you were born, you are not allowed a country.
	It's not sufficient to say that.
	They're not going to accept that.
	And moreover, there's no reason that they should accept that.
	That is a horrific thing to do from people of such profound privilege and security as people like Piers Morgan and the Lord Baron Finkelstein.
	I can't accept it.
	I can't accept it for me.
	And I'm 46.
	I'm doing fine.
	Everything in my life is pretty great because I have children.
	And I see these young men who want to just carry on their lives as their fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers had.
	And the Lord Baron Finkelstein is stood there saying no.
	I don't agree that you can have that because of racism.
	It's not persuasive.
	It's not going to stop them.
	It's not going to make them go, well, good point, guys.
	Racism's at stake here.
	I guess I won't have a future.
	I guess I won't have a country.
	I guess the country will just be given over to anyone the Conservative Party deems worthy of being given a passport.
	And I'll shut my mouth then, shall I?
	Obviously, that's not going to happen.
	Is it, Baron?
	And so knock off this massive ego trip that you're on and actually think about, try and empathize what it's like from the perspective of the young men of today.
	They are in trouble.
	They are losing.
	Not only are they losing, their country is falling through their fingers like sand on a beach.
	But there is nothing for them left.
	They've got nowhere else to go.
	And they've got no sympathetic ear anywhere.
	And you're the final barrier as far as they're concerned.
	You're the point of last appeal.
	My God, if we can't appeal to the old conservative lords who might think, oh, yeah, God, we do have a responsibility of stewardship for the country.
	We're not labor lords.
	We're not lib dem lords.
	We're not actual Republicans masquerading as lords.
	Surely we're conservatives.
	So we believe in the traditional history and constitution of the country.
	If even they don't give a shit because of ideological concerns that happened long before they were born, man, you can see why they are going to be like, right, okay, guys, I think we're on our own.
	I think we're going to have to choose something quite radical.
	And actually, I'd rather not have something quite radical.
	Because you know what?
	And I've said this, I said this in my conversation with Peter McCormack the other day.
	We have plenty of heroic straight white male figures that we could be holding up as stellar examples to these young men.
	I mean, we've got a statue, an equestrian statue of Richard the Lionheart outside of Parliament.
	What an epic thing that is.
	And yet, we can't.
	We're hamstrung by political correctness.
	We're hamstrung by this desire to be like, oh, well, what about diversity?
	I don't care.
	I don't care.
	Neither do they, and there's no reason that they should.
	Anyway, he carries on.
	The discourse can be changed at any time.
	You just have to get up to speed with how things are.
	The liberal post-war consensus is dead.
	All of our previous assumptions are dead.
	And rather soon, all of the people with them will be dead.
	So perhaps a charitable reorganizing of the terms is better rather than treating young men as enemies to fight now and later because the young men will win by literally still being alive.
	And that's the point.
	Time is on their side.
	It is not on your side.
	And so you've got to ask yourself, why is it the things that I believe haven't replicated themselves with young men?
	Because the things your parents believed replicated themselves in you.
	So what's different?
	What is substantively different?
	And the answer is, when you were born, Britain, England in particular, was something like 97 to 96, 98.5, something like that, percent white English, right?
	That's what happened.
	You lived, you were born into a country that was practically a homogenous ethnostate in almost every way.
	And the Zoomers now live in a country that is about, I mean, officially, England in the 2021 census was 74.5% white English.
	But then the Boris Wave happened, which is another 4 million plus immigrants that were legally let into the country.
	The illegals are a few hundred thousand.
	We're talking the millions that the Conservatives let in.
	So that probably puts it down to about 70%.
	But the thing is, there's also going to be millions of illegals here as well.
	We don't know how many, but there are going to be millions.
	And so maybe 65, 67, 68% English.
	Who knows?
	It's not good, right?
	It's not good to look at the future of Britain, England in particular, and say, yeah, this is how things should pan out, right?
	This is what we were supposed to be doing, isn't it?
	Is this the country we were supposed to be handing down to people of Conor Tomlinson's age?
	To the Zoomers?
	Is that what you thought when you were first ennobled?
	You were like, yeah, no, they're going to love this.
	They're going to be so thankful.
	And they'll look at the things we believed and the way we acted politically and be like, well, if that gets me this, I'm on.
	Because that's actually what's happening in reverse.
	They're looking at the things you believed and they're looking at the state of the country and they're saying, if that's what this produces, I'm not that.
	I am the opposite of that.
	In fact, I want the opposite of how this came about.
	If this came about because of what you think, I want the opposite.
	And they will win through just literally outliving you on that.
	So come to terms with your failure and actually have a reasonable conversation with them.
	They inherited a world that has nothing to offer compared to what it offered boomers, and avoiding that reality when it's entirely unavoidable for them doesn't work.
	No further commentary needed on that.
	The best conversation on this matter so far has been between Brett Weinstein and Carl Benjamin.
	I encourage anyone wondering why Nick Fuentes has legions of followers and is so beloved to listen to it.
	It doesn't work to call his fans stupid or racist anymore.
	Those still trying seem totally unaware that they're handing victory to their doubly denounced enemies on a silver platter.
	And if you point that out, you're an enemy too.
	As if we should all just close our eyes and shutter our ears, it'll go away.
	We're getting into butlerian naming the problem creates the problem territory.
	So, um, what Jen here is speaking of is this conversation that I had recently, uh, six days ago, uh, with uh Brett Weinstein.
	It was an excellent conversation.
	I'm a big fan of Brett Weinstein.
	Uh, just personally, I love the work he did during COVID.
	And I've always respected him for being willing to have the difficult conversations.
	And so, we had a superb conversation.
	I've left a link to it in the description.
	If you would like to watch the full thing, then please do.
	I totally recommend it.
	And the reason that I think this is important is because Brett is Jewish, so it's not necessarily an ethnic issue.
	And he's willing to, he's also a liberal, but he's also willing to actually open his mind and comprehend what the problems are here and be honest about what is actually happening.
	Not once does he call me a racist in it, which I think the Lord Finkelstein could do quite well to think about.
	Because, as you can see, I'm just going to pull out some of the conversation they've been having.
	Essentially, he just calls them a racist.
	They've been hard on me because they're a racist Connor and you politely encourage them.
	So, Connor himself isn't abetting racism.
	And Connor just says, Well, look, if you think that word has power or meaning, and it's after it was used to cover up the rape gangs for decades, then you're really out of touch with what most people think.
	And he's like, No, you're quite wrong about this.
	It actually matters to a lot, even if to people, if not to you.
	It's like, well, I don't know, man.
	I think that it's quite clear that calling people racist has just become a way of avoiding talking about the real things that they are discussing, right, that they're observing.
	And this was true with the rape gangs, it was true with the Manchester Arena bombing.
	It's been true for crime statistics, it's been true basically across the board.
	And it's hard to think of a place and time where being called a racist has meant the same thing as being called incorrect.
	And the Zoomers are done with it.
	They're just tired of it.
	They're like, okay, but these are real things that we have to live cheat by jowl in the world.
	And so we have to properly address them, even if a congenital boomer liberal like Danny Finkelstein, sorry, the Lord Baron Finkelstein thinks that's racist.
	They have to be addressed.
	And so the Lord Finkelstein gives us an incredible, charitable interpretation of what he believes Connor Tomlinson thinks.
	He says that Connor Tomlinson thinks that different ethnic groups are inferior.
	And that's pretty much the textbook definition of racism.
	And it's like, I mean, I've worked with Connor for years.
	I've known him for years.
	I've never heard him make any kind of value judgments on the inferiority or superiority of ethnic groups.
	And the thing is, I don't even think that he would think that makes sense.
	Because it's not like this is a utilitarian calculus.
	It's not like you just measure something and say, well, that group's better.
	We've just got to do exactly as that group now.
	This is more about preference and sentimentality.
	This is more about what is ours and what is not ours.
	And we have a preference for ours because it's the thing that we know and love, as all other cultures operate in this way.
	The Somalians aren't like we love being Somalian even when we're in Minnesota because they're looking at Somalia's GDP and saying, Yes, clearly, Somalis are the superior race.
	They're not looking at the Somalian Empire and measuring the acreage that the Somalis control and being like, see, the Somalis are the greatest group.
	They're not doing that.
	What they're saying is, we just like what is familiar to us, what we know.
	The people, the connections, the relationships, the habits, the culture, the custom.
	That's what is us and what we're familiar with.
	And we like that.
	And so, say the questions of superiority and inferiority come from a different era.
	They come from a different time.
	This is something ideological that the Lord Baron Finkelstein has brought with him because he didn't live through German racism.
	He didn't live through Nazis saying the Jews are inferior, the Aryans are superior, and that, you know, he didn't live through the German sort of hierarchy of the races or anything like that.
	So this is literally an ideology to him.
	This is literally a set of ideas that has descended from heaven to earth that he is now imposing on other people.
	I mean, he carries on.
	His entire theory is that these are the groups of destroying British culture and crucially, that this is because of their blood, not their ideology or values.
	Again, you can see him importing 1930s Nazi rhetoric that he personally never lived through, that he doesn't have any direct experience of.
	And so, okay, why are you doing that?
	Well, it's to avoid having to actually discuss the real issues here.
	The culture of a people and their ideology or values and the people themselves are one in the same.
	They are not different.
	It is not a coincidence that people from India come to Britain and then eat rice with their fingers.
	This is their culture, but it is also the people themselves.
	Because culture is perpetuated by people.
	It isn't something that exists in the abstract away from the actual practices of people.
	It is only carried by people.
	These values and the culture, the way they do things, the habits that they have, the small things that mark them out as being different to other people, they're not abstract.
	They're not separate from those individuals.
	And so to say, well, I mean, he thinks these groups are destroying British culture.
	Well, yes, obviously.
	But it's not because of some blood memory or something.
	It's just that they are different.
	They carry these different habits.
	And the Lord Finkelstein, like I said, he was born in Britain.
	So he could only have imbibed, only been raised in the milieu of an incredibly homogeneous England.
	So he has English habits.
	He has English values, ideology, customs.
	He is of this place because he doesn't know anywhere else.
	And so the only way he would have arrived at that is if he was surrounded by English people.
	If he was in Germany, he would have German habits and customs.
	If he was in France, he would have Arabic now.
	He would have French habits and customs.
	If he were in Somalia or wherever, he would have customs and habits appropriate to the place because the people carry them with them.
	They do not exist in the abstract.
	You do not get to choose them when you say, yeah, no, I think I like that one.
	I'm going to go for that one.
	Yes, I'm going to be the one Frenchman in South America or something.
	I just happen to have all of these weird French habits and customs and language and culture and beliefs and values and ideology.
	I just happen to live in Paraguay.
	No, that doesn't, that's not how it works.
	And so for him to be like, well, his entire theory is these groups destroying British culture in because of their blood, not their ideology or values.
	There is no distinction here.
	You are drawing a false distinction.
	It doesn't exist.
	And also, you are applying Nazi ideology to someone who does not follow Nazi ideology.
	Something that you didn't live through, that you have had to learn about in the abstract and decide, right, there is a series of rational categories that I can now shove this guy in and say, nope, bad person, never have to deal with him.
	It's like, okay, well, that's not going to solve the problems, is it?
	He wants to define Britishness not by subscription to a common culture, but by some vague and unspecified possession of British blood.
	Well, it's not really vague and unspecified.
	You are either English, Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish to be British in the sense we mean, although I think a lot of people just consider Irish people to also be British because they're in the British Isles.
	Like genetically, there's probably a lot of connection there.
	But the common culture, again, isn't something that exists in the abstract.
	It's not a surprise that there are zero British people produced by Papua New Guinea.
	They don't just spring out randomly out of the earth and be like, well, Talio, chaps, you know, Pip, Pip, where's my tea?
	Like, that doesn't happen to any single Papua New Guinean because the blood and the values are the same thing.
	They get passed along in the same way because they're not separate from the people.
	And of course, he believes this to be superior blood.
	And it's grossly enough because he's just a Nazi.
	He's just a Nazi, says the Lord Baron Finkelstein, who has no personal experience of Nazis.
	So sorry.
	I mean, Cosmopolitan reactionary.
	What a disgraceful straw man.
	You should be ashamed of yourself.
	Yes, he should.
	He's not, but he should be.
	He does, he has been arguing this a lot on social media recently.
	And it's got to the point where he's like, I'm going to stop and think about this.
	Perhaps I don't understand what Connor means and I don't want to be guilty of mischaracterization.
	Way too late for that.
	Way too late.
	Because Connor explains in great depth, and you can see that he's just having these conversations with a chap called Carl Gombrich, not familiar with him, but he's a friend of his, I guess.
	But we'll come back to him shortly.
	But you'll see that he's clearly out of his depth here.
	And he does finally, though, give Connor a real answer.
	Because, I mean, initially, look, this is from the 15th.
	Initially, he was just completely frivolous.
	Connor explains his positions.
	And the Lord Baron Finkelstein says, if you wish to support Nick Fuentes, which I know you basically want to do, you can do that in a couple of sentences.
	Because Connor wrote a bit of an essay.
	Because Connor doesn't support Nick Fuentes.
	Connor is a married man and is an Englishman and doesn't view Nick Fuentes in the same way that he doesn't support Andrew Tate.
	They're both on the right, but Connor is much more serious about his beliefs and a lot more structured in what he's actually looking for.
	But the Lord Baron Finkelstein says, actually, let me give you a brief but serious answer.
	Britain is a Christian nation and I've always respected it as such.
	I believe that it is practical and humane to allow limited migration into the country, but I opposed rapid mass migration.
	I insist that those who come here understand what Britain is and accommodate to it.
	That's fairly reasonable.
	My grandparents came here because of their assistance to the British war effort.
	My family has lived by the principle at Airline.
	Very reasonable.
	Who could complain?
	Israel is a Jewish nation as Britain is a Christian one.
	There needs to be somewhere in the world for Jews to be a broad majority, but I live here.
	Okay, that's very interesting, isn't it?
	Because being Jewish is not merely a set of ideas.
	Being a Christian is a set of ideas.
	So the Lord Finkelstein has, on the religious plane, identified Israel as a Jewish nation.
	However, being Jewish is also ethnic.
	It is not merely a set of beliefs.
	It is also an inheritance, an ancestral inheritance that is passed through the blood.
	And which is why you can find out if you're Jewish by doing an ancestry test.
	You can find out if you're Jewish whether you believe anything or not.
	It doesn't matter what you believe, in fact.
	So what he has done here is conflated two categories that are not the same and not strictly compatible.
	One could look at Israel purely as a religious nation, but that is not the case.
	It is also an ethnic nation for the Jewish people.
	And that's the crux of the issue.
	Britain is also an ethnic nation for the British people, that is, the English, the Welsh, the Scottish, and the Northern Irish.
	Again, the state of Britain, the British Isles more broadly, for the Irish.
	This is the real crux of the issue.
	This is the real heart of the problem.
	Because he says there needs to be somewhere in the world for Jews to be a broad majority.
	I agree.
	I'm not interested in disassembling the state of Israel, disestablishing the state of Israel.
	I agree.
	I also think that there should be somewhere for the Kurds, a Kurdistan, Tibet, etc., etc., etc.
	I actually do believe that nations deserve states, as in they deserve to be ruled over by people from their ethnic group, from a nation that only has a loyalty to that nation and will make the best possible decisions for the interests of that nation.
	I think that's a completely fair, completely reasonable position.
	Seems to be just basically Westphalian in the characterization of what countries are.
	And I think that if everyone had one, then the world would be a lot more peaceful.
	And I think that the Lord Baron Finkelstein agrees, at least when it comes for the Jewish nation, because the Jews are a nation.
	They are a people.
	As the Lord Baron Finkelstein tells us later.
	But, I mean, he says, hey, yes, Jews are a people.
	So it's not just a religion.
	It's not just Christendom.
	It's not just the Ummah.
	The Jews are a people, a nation.
	And so Connor replies: so are the English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish.
	All completely true.
	They deserve the same possession of and status in Britain as Jews enjoy in Israel.
	Wouldn't you agree, Danny?
	Now, if the Lord Baron Finkelstein hadn't said the Jewish nation is purely a religious one by equating it to Britain being a purely Christian nation, then maybe he would be able to agree with that.
	If he were to be honest about this and say, no, the Jewish people are an ethnic group, a nation, then this would be uncontroversial.
	But liberalism, Nazism, ideology, you can see how the Lord Baron Finkelstein says, quote, your main interest in me is that I'm a Jew and that you were a racist.
	Not exactly a stellar reply, was it?
	Not exactly a useful thing to say to someone.
	Not exactly addressing the issue clearly and concisely and getting to the heart of the problem.
	Because now, you've just put yourself on the horns of a dilemma.
	You've just said, it is for me, but not for thee.
	Your main interest in me is that I'm a Jew and that you are a racist.
	Because if it wasn't, you would know that I've long argued that this country's English traditions should be respected.
	I've been an opponent of mass migration, and I believe this country is a British one.
	So I'm an odd person to pick on.
	But we both know why you do.
	I've no interest in your white race war, and I resist your ludicrous self-pity and rabble-rousing.
	It's why so many people on the right want nothing to do with you.
	Right.
	So, as you can see, what he has done here is disconnected the British people from their own customs, tradition, and history.
	This country's English traditions should be respected.
	How is that done without respecting the English people themselves?
	How is that done without respecting the people in whom those customs and traditions live every day?
	You expect the country to be polite and genteel and to welcome refugees from wars or wherever.
	Then you need to have the people who believe it.
	You need to have the people who live that to be the bearers of those values and to put the political environment that you're looking for into existence.
	It's not that the English traditions just exist in the abstract, that they're just floating in the ether.
	They exist within the English people.
	And so, when you say, I want the English traditions to be respected, no, you want the English people to be respected.
	There is no distinction between us and our traditions.
	We are the bearers of them.
	And so, for you to be like, and I summarize this on Twitter, and I'm sorry to be so blasé about it, but this is just what it boils down to.
	The Jews are a people, and their being a people justifies the existence of Israel, which I agree with.
	But if you want to assert the same for England and the English, you are a racist who is waging a white race war, according to Lord Finkelstein.
	This kind of double standard just can't persist.
	Excuse me, it will not carry on forever, and it will not be something that is accepted by other people, especially when you do say the same for Israel and the Jewish people.
	When people call for jihad or advocate for the globalizing the Intifada believe them, this was only written four days ago, by the way.
	Our resolve to defend a safe Israel and Jews around the world is strong.
	Our determination has only got stronger.
	Well, good, right?
	I understand why the Jewish people, and Daniel Finkelstein himself, after the recent events in Bondi Beach, was like, I feel scared in London now.
	So, yeah, okay, I understand.
	I feel scared in London too.
	I'm not happy with the composition of London, the number of people yelling globalized in the Father.
	That makes me uncomfortable too.
	And I don't even think those people are targeting me, at least not when they're doing that.
	I think they're targeting my community for other reasons in other contexts.
	But notice this: our resolve to defend a safe Israel and Jews around the world is strong.
	Again, this is an ethno-religion.
	This is an ethnic group you are referring to.
	And all Connor is asking for is the same.
	That's literally all he's asking for.
	And you call that a white race war and ludicrously pitying, self-pitying.
	But is this not some kind of race war?
	No, I don't think it is.
	And I don't think it's fair to call Connor's desire for the native people of Britain to have a state of their own.
	I don't think that's fair to call that a race war either.
	I think that's the right of any kind of ethnic group, of any nation in the world to have a state that is theirs.
	I mean, that was the very principle upon which the state of Israel was founded, isn't it?
	Like, this makes complete sense to me.
	But for some reason, to the Lord Baron Finkelstein, this is a white race war.
	You're a racist.
	No, this won't go on.
	And the reason that we're going is because look at the state of the country.
	Look at the state of it, man.
	Like, this is not only a population map of the ethnic identity of the country, but it's also a population map of the ethnic density of the country.
	Millions and millions of foreigners are occupying huge, densely populated swaths of England, and we never asked for it.
	We never wanted this.
	This is unacceptable.
	This is not the future people want to see.
	And so people are like, you know what?
	I think actually some of these people need to be sent home.
	I think actually many of the people who were allowed to come here under Labour, but also and worse, under the Conservatives, should probably be sent home.
	And the Lord Baron Finkelstein has decided, well, I don't think the British public want to deport me and my mum when she becomes a pensioner, which I think your rules will produce.
	I don't think that's true at all.
	Connor's been explaining exactly how this could be done.
	And actually, it's quite straightforward.
	The people who are allowed to come here in the last five years or so under the Conservative government shouldn't have been allowed to come.
	So you can just withdraw their passports and send them a letter saying, you have been instructed by the British government to leave the country.
	You have six months, whatever, you know, whatever time scale.
	There are so many other things you could do.
	You could turn off welfare.
	You could tolerate all sorts of benefits.
	You could explain to them that the National Health Service will be a fee-paying service for them.
	They will not be getting all sorts of benefits.
	And millions of them will leave on their own volition.
	But look at how Daniel Finkelstein is misrepresenting him.
	I take a tough stance, but we are still going to have to live in a multi-ethnic society.
	The United Kingdom is based on four ethnicities.
	The English, the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh.
	It's always been multi-ethnic.
	Nobody's arguing for a mono.
	Okay, some people might be, but reasonable people who are trying to have a reasonable discussion about what the future of the country actually looks like are not arguing for a strict mono-ethnic policy.
	They're arguing that this has gone too far and that millions of these people who are brought to live here against our will, many of them by the Conservative Party, have to go home.
	And that's reasonable.
	But this is a mischaracterization.
	Again, what he's doing is applying his Nazi ideology to the situation and saying, right, oh, you must want racial purity.
	You must want zero, zero foreign ethnics.
	No one's saying that.
	No one is saying that.
	You are mischaracterizing him because you are trying to avoid this conversation.
	And he falls back on, well, I was against mass migration.
	Why do I have to keep spelling this out?
	It doesn't matter if you were against mass migration, if what we got was mass migration.
	You'd be like, well, look, I'm sorry that you are living in a very different country to the one I was born into and grew up in because I had that privilege before I was made a baron.
	We're just going to have to suck it up.
	I mean, I was against it.
	You know, I was on your side on this.
	I mean, I didn't want that, but my party did this to you.
	That's not good enough.
	That's not sufficient, is it?
	And it's not persuasive.
	It's fine for you because you are a baron, because you are in the house of lords, because you are insulated from the consequences of what your party has done to us.
	It's fine for Piers Morgan because he can just fly to whatever new house that he's got in any given week.
	It's fine for the rich.
	It's fine for the powerful.
	They will never feel the effects of it.
	But the intent is not sufficient.
	Because when he says, look, I was never for this.
	And he's like, okay, well, then, surely we would have to deport some people.
	He's like, well, I'm not in favor of deporting people who are citizens and born here.
	We've been giving out citizenship like it means nothing.
	Like it doesn't come with any benefits.
	We've been giving it, we give it to literally, I mean, Kirstan was, oh, look how we got immigration down.
	Oh, yeah, how many people did you give citizenship to?
	Or visas to?
	850,000 last year.
	I mean, it's better than the Conservatives who are giving it to like over a million.
	At some point, I think it was 1.5 million the Conservatives gave it to.
	It's like, why did you do that to us?
	We didn't want that.
	And easy come, easy go, as far as I'm concerned.
	If we can just hand it out like there's sweets on Halloween, well, then they can just be taken back.
	And these people can go home to the homes that they have in the countries that they have that are sovereign countries run by people like themselves for the interests of people like themselves.
	Right?
	That's always an option.
	That's always on the table.
	And it's not in any way immoral for them to have been come over.
	Oh, no, sorry.
	There's been a change in government policy.
	We're not just handing out visas now.
	Now we're taking them away.
	Now you've just got to go home.
	They're going, I guess that's that.
	I guess the benefits scrounging is off for me.
	Because remember, these people are claiming a lot in benefits.
	I guess they're just going to have to go home.
	And appealing to some like mythical contradiction.
	Oh, no, if we do that, that's Hitler.
	No, it's not.
	That's not Hitler.
	And even if you think it is, that's not going to be an acceptable argument that stops people from saying that we need to fix this.
	Daniel Finkelstein, we will maintain a multi-ethnic society.
	I thought allowing rapid mass migration was a mistake because people can't integrate.
	I'm interested in culture.
	Again, you are interested in the people then, Lord Finkelstein.
	There's no difference.
	I don't want further mass migration, but we've done it now and we need to live together.
	No, we don't.
	We could actually send many of them back.
	There's actually nothing stopping us from just sending them letters saying, no, your passport's been cancelled.
	Go back to where you came from.
	You've got six months.
	You're off benefits.
	We're not giving you any money.
	Soon you'll lose your right to work in the UK.
	So you might want to make plans now.
	Six months you've got.
	Bye.
	See you later.
	Sorry about all of this.
	But for some reason, we were governed by a bunch of traitors and they thought that this would be like this forever.
	But it's not.
	It's not going to be like this.
	And again, getting to the people.
	No, no, we are going to be multi-ethnic.
	Yes, we are.
	I'm sure we are, Daniel.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	The Lord Baron Finkelstein.
	But I think it's very reasonable for us to demand that England be 90% English.
	I think it's very reasonable to demand that.
	I know that if in Israel it looked like they were going to have a massive demographic shift in favor of non-Jewish people, they'd be very, very careful about that.
	And they'd think about the consequences of that themselves.
	Because as you said, I think Jews deserve a nation where they are the majority demographic.
	And I agree with you.
	I think the English also deserve the same.
	And he says to Carl Gombrich, as we were talking about earlier, who's trying to say, look, there is a real problem here.
	He's trying to get through to him.
	And he says, Carl, I need solidarity.
	And this is just not enough.
	You're tiptoeing around this.
	This year, thousands of people.
	There is a rising anti-Jew idea coupled with Bonker's blood and soil racism that needs to be rejected.
	You agree with it for Israel.
	There is no difference between the people and the ideas.
	They're not separate.
	And also, that's what people are asking for from you, Lord Finkelstein.
	Solidarity.
	Because as you say, many, many, in many other places, you're not a victim.
	And that's true.
	You're not a victim.
	You were born in England.
	You are now a lord of the realm.
	You are not a victim.
	So you needing solidarity from your perch of privilege is just a bit ironic.
	And actually, I think maybe you want to sit there and have a real think about, do I need the solidarity?
	Or do they need the solidarity?
	Actually, is it unreasonable for us to admit that there should be a place for the English to live?
	And that place should be England, even though I agree that there should be somewhere in the world for Jews to be a broad majority.
	And that's under threat.
	That's genuinely under threat at this point.
	So actually, maybe all of those things I'm asking for for Israel are appropriate to ask for for England.
	And that doesn't mean that we can't have any minorities in England.
	No one's saying that.
	No, very unreasonable people are saying that, but most people are not saying that.
	A reasonable perspective is: yes, those people who are brought here by the Conservative Party and the Labour Party against our will, who have only been here for a few years in many cases, should just be told they have to go home.
	The illegal immigrants should be deported.
	Those people who are born overseas, who are here on benefits of any kind, deported.
	If you weren't born in this country, you should never have access to our social services.
	Just full stop.
	And all of this would change the nature of immigration into Britain.
	It would genuinely create a mass outflow.
	And these people would go home.
	And the people who are getting really worried about their own futures would suddenly see a light at the end of the tunnel.
	And they would suddenly say, you know what?
	This is a good country.
	This is not worth me moving to another country, fleeing overseas, assuming one can even get a visa somewhere else.
	It's not worth me doing that.
	I've actually got a future in Britain, in England, the land of my ancestors.
	And that's a good thing.
	I'm going to stay.
	And notice what that doesn't do.
	That doesn't turn people into Nazis.
	That doesn't turn people into raging racists.
	I actually think that not doing these things gives you a much higher chance of the future you're worried about, Lord Finkelstein, than doing these things.
	I think it's eminently reasonable.
	I think these people have got a perfectly valid complaint and request.
	And actually, you have humiliated yourself in public.
	I think the way that you've acted towards Connor and towards everyone else has been short-sighted, demented in the most part, wildly ideological from an experience you personally have never had.
	And just massively inappropriate.
	Just really uncaring, really unsympathetic.
	As cruel to them as you feel that the Gropers are being to you.
	I think that's the reason that Nick Francis' fans are being this cruel to you.
	It's because of this lack of sympathy.
	If you are showing them just a tenth of the sympathy that you have shown to the nation of Israel, which, of course, you're not a part of that, right?
	You're a British person, but because of the blood, you feel yourself connected to Israel.
	If you've shown just a tenth of that consideration, I think they'd be fine with you.
	Because they'd be like, okay, that's someone who's on our side.
	That's someone who has solidarity with us, who understands that England should remain a broad majority of English people.
	And so, obviously, the argument would be: well, guys, we have to stop immigration.
	Because if in 20 years it's gone from about 90% English to 65% English, we can't take another 20 years of this.
	Wasn't it something in 2045, 2040, something like that, that we expect the English to become a minority in England?
	That's got to stop.
	Should be saying the Lord Baron Finkelstein based on the same principle he holds for the state of Israel.
	Not unreasonable.
	You should think about that.
	Probably going to get in trouble for this one, lads.
	But I don't think I'm saying anything unreasonable.
	I don't think I'm saying anything anti-Semitic.
	I don't think I am saying anything that is just objectionable in any way, shape, or form.
	And in fact, the fact that I have to say it is the crazy thing, right?
	You would think that just this is, I don't know, just being honest about the nature of things.
	But I think really it's the Lord Baron Finkelstein keeps importing his Nazi ideology into this, what he thinks Nazis thought back in 1930s Germany.
	And that's not what someone like Connor thinks, right?
	That's not what the issue is here, actually.
	What the issue is, is what he would agree with for Israel.
	And if we don't act now, then it will be much more difficult in the future.
	Wills Goon says, Do you know what I love more than anything?
	When Darth Vivek crashes out twice in less than a year and he tells Americans what it means to be American.
	Yeah, I was going to do a video about that tonight, but this was on my mind more.
	But I've enjoyed Vivek Ramaswamy's crash outs.
	And so it's just very interesting to watch, isn't it?
	Sean says, Carl, what's happened to Milo and Piers?
	He didn't seem his old self.
	No, I did send him a message, but he hasn't replied to me, so I can't tell you.
	Joel says, the Zionist Jew argument always seems to boil down to nationalism for us.
	And if you want it, or even just a bit more liberal version of it, then you are a Nazi.
	Seems like bad faith from him.
	Well, that's the point.
	And that's the reason that the contradiction isn't going to sustain itself.
	There will, I mean, it literally will be.
	His will be the last generation that believes the contradiction and feels the contradiction is appropriate.
	Because I don't think the Zumers are worried if they become Nazis.
	I just don't think they're bothered about it in the same way that the Lord Baron Finkelstein is.
	And if he is bothered about it, then he needs to take the decisive steps to start moving the conservative culture in the direction to avoid that.
	Because there's been a breakage, you know, literally a sort of slicing off between these generations, and his ideology has failed to reproduce itself.
	And something else will rush in to fill the gap.
	And it would be, I don't know, I don't want to see a rise of Nazism.
	And the easiest way to do that would just be to fix the demographic issues of this country.
	That'd be just the easiest way to make sure that just doesn't happen.
	Anyway, I mean, it's not going to be Nazism that comes about anyway.
	Obviously, you know, history is a linear progression, it seems.
	It's not going to be 1930s Germany.
	It will be something new.
	It will be something of this time and this place and for these reasons.
	But he is right.
	Something I particularly loathe, says Dreadnought Logan, is a boomer dismissing my very justified anger that my inheritance is being taken away and wasted.
	God save the king.
	Exactly.
	It's so unsympathetic.
	Again, Piers Morgan, all they do is approach this World War II ideological lenses.
	And it's like, okay, but that's not addressing the actual reality on the ground.
	And the reality on the ground is important.
	Gaming Sentinel says, hey, Sargon, long-time viewer, born Canadian.
	Nobody's perfect.
	I'm joking.
	Firstly, thank you for helping make me a better man.
	Second, do you think Canada can recover from liberal rule?
	Nothing is impossible.
	It just has to be wanted in the hearts and minds of the people.
	That's where, as Rousseau points out, the true constitution is written.
	So I think that Canada can recover.
	Again, it's just, I mean, it's up to the Canadian people, right?
	But nothing is out of bounds, in my opinion.
	Fox says, what's up?
	Have you heard the Canadian natives trying to claim privately owned land?
	What are your thoughts on it?
	I haven't heard of that, so I can't really comment on it.
	But if the land is privately owned, I would suggest that they should purchase it.
	Smurf says, for the Emperor, well, thank you.
	Johnny Medlar, hey man, how are you doing?
	Ben Shpiro be like, hey, young men, suck it up and fix your own problems.
	Okay, Ben, we will, and you're not going to like it.
	And we'll remember who had our backs.
	And because you didn't, you'll have no say.
	Yeah, again, literally, Ben Shpiro being like, you just have to do the thing and suck it up.
	It's like, but they're being systemically disadvantaged.
	And I'm not saying Ben Shapiro is for this, obviously.
	But it's like, no, the system has to be changed.
	I'm sorry, it just has to be changed.
	Thank you, Michael, by the way.
	I appreciate that.
	Leowolf says, we have been judging the Third Worlders by the content of their character and we have found them wanting.
	Liberals just don't understand that.
	Yeah, that's another thing.
	Because this is the thing as well.
	They've just like, no, notice how the Lord Baron Finkelstein just like, no, we will have ethnic minorities.
	Yeah, no, we probably will.
	Like, there are ethnic minorities who just aren't a problem.
	Like, I can't ever recall seeing a news article about a Chinese person being arrested.
	Now, I'm not saying I want infinite Chinese people or anything like that, but I wouldn't be like, right, okay, we need to deport the Chinese.
	You know, obviously, we've got to make sure that only native British people can have positions of power.
	I don't want the Chinese Communist Party using Chinese people to spy on us.
	But I've got absolutely no personal problem with Chinese people in this country.
	They seem, and most East Asians, to be honest, they seem to be a very well-socialized people who follow the rules and are polite and aren't making insane demands.
	So, yeah, sure, you know, a discrete number of them can stay.
	But there are other communities who are just not like this because they're not all the same.
	I mean, one might argue that Lord Baron Finkelstein is committing a racism by lumping them all together and just saying, oh, these are all just ethnic minorities as if they're all homogenous.
	No, they're not.
	All things are different.
	I mean, the Boris Wave, it's not even, it's not even about ethnic minorities either.
	Like, the Boris Wave are clearly mostly just kind of like young men adventurers as well.
	Like, you see them just walking around wearing Western fashions.
	Like, they're wearing whatever roadman clothes are and, you know, particular kinds of jeans and stuff like that.
	These are not the same as older people or, you know, different other kinds of people in their own cultures.
	Like, it was a particular kind of person who self-selected to come here during this Boris wave.
	It's not that they're all the same at all, but many of them have to go home because they just shouldn't be here.
	Why is it wrong that I want a house, a wife, and kids, says Smurf, to love and a country to keep them safe?
	Why am I the bad guy?
	Well, that's the question, because that's literally what the Allies were fighting for in World War II.
	That's literally, I mean, literally, we're glad we're not speaking German.
	The implication being the Germans conquered England and took our country away from us.
	Well, if we're losing the country by demographic replacement, what difference does it make?
	The point being, they were fighting for their country, and we should be fighting for our countries.
	And the Lord Baron Finkelstein needs to understand that.
	And I think he does understand that.
	A drunk changeling says, Did you know Camp of the Saints is on Audible?
	Well, I've read, I've got a copy of Camp of the Saints.
	It's a fantastically written book, isn't it?
	The momentum of the book is crazy.
	But he understands the collapsing of the liberal order.
	I will.
	No, sorry, the collapsing of the traditional order into liberalism.
	I will actually at some point do a book club on that validity.
	So I guess I'll do it next year because it's well worth it.
	Obviously, any comments that have been sent that are just explicitly anti-Semitic, I'm not going to read.
	Sorry.
	We are on YouTube, and I want to keep this polite because I'm not an anti-Semite.
	I do not hate Jewish people.
	I do not hate Danny Finkelstein.
	I do not want to see him deported.
	I do not want the state of Israel disestablished.
	What I want is fairness.
	What I want is a country of my own that is understandably run for the native people of the country.
	I am English.
	I want an England for the English people and anyone else second.
	And if that's not acceptable, then it's going to be a long political contest, isn't it?
	Generico says, if it's acceptable for Danny to prioritize empathy for Jews on the other side of the world, then it's acceptable for Anglos to have empathy for Anglos.
	Again, he has to concede this because this is his principle.
	In the same way that it is absolutely acceptable, and I agree with this, that Israel should maintain an overwhelming demographic majority in Israel of Jewish people.
	Well, England has to do the same in England.
	And that's not the trajectory that we are on at this point.
	Become Rich says, I'm sick of this incompetence, LARP.
	They are doing this on purpose.
	Yeah, I know they're doing it on purpose.
	I'm not saying that they're incompetent.
	The time to have a real conversation about the future of the country, though, is absolutely now.
	Wesland says, I feel the Zuma Waffen timeline is getting more and more possible.
	I hope these dialogues help boomers understand and open to compromise.
	Well, this is why I'm doing them, right?
	I don't want a dictatorship.
	I don't want any of these terrible things to come to pass, especially when we do have it in our power to just avoid that future.
	Like, we absolutely can just accept the legitimacy and the moral justification of the arguments that the right is making when it comes to demographics and just change our ways.
	We can do that.
	That's totally on the table.
	Emperor Creatine says, Speaking of stolen inheritances, the only reason I have a job in my home country's IT industry is because I got hired by an Indian company first.
	Well, lucky you.
	Generica says, long as the Lord Baron Finkelstein continues in the company of open race communists who demonstrate hate for us, he can stop pretending to have an objective moral standard.
	That's a great point.
	Because, like, he was on BBC Newsnight the other day with Ash Sarkar, and she was there just like lounging back, going, Yeah, I'm in control of this conversation.
	And the Lord Baron Finkelstein was acting like he was her supplicant.
	And I didn't appreciate it at all.
	Thank you to the chickens and real 97, by the way.
	And yeah, so it's just one of those things where it's like, look, this has to stop.
	And why so much love from Oxford and Oxfordshire?
	I don't know why.
	Banther says, being an Israeli Zionist Jew, I support the English wanting to live in England and keep it English.
	I'd like to visit someday and enjoy English culture.
	Not the same thing I have here at home.
	Yeah, weird.
	I saw a tweet by Leo the other day because he'd been to Israel and he'd said, look, none of the Israelis I met wanted England to have mass immigration.
	There was exactly the same message as Batner here, right?
	Exactly the same, word for word.
	Yes, of course, you shouldn't just give your country over to millions of foreigners.
	Like, that doesn't make sense, and there's no reason to do it.
	So, you know, don't and this is the thing as well.
	A lot of people will say, yeah, well, you know, this is an ethnic issue.
	It's like that it's not a homogenous question.
	There are people on the other side, as Batner here points out, who do not think this.
	And I mean, this is why Tommy Robinson has got such strong support from the Israelis.
	He's arguing this case, basically.
	And a lot of the Israelis are like, yeah, no, especially some types.
	You definitely don't want to let them in.
	Again, I'm not going to read out anything that's explicitly anti-Semitic, Daneska.
	It's obvious that this is an idea whose time has come.
	It's obvious that you can't get away from this.
	It's obvious that nations should have their own states.
	It's the only way they can guarantee their own survival and security.
	And these are all arguments I've heard made by Israelis.
	And I agree with them.
	And I just want the same for us.
	I think that's what Connor's saying.
	He just wants the same for us.
	And it's totally fine.
	It doesn't mean that every single foreigner gets kicked out of England.
	You know, we're not going to have racial purity tests or anything like that.
	We're just going to have it so that there is a reasonable demographic dispensation in this country.
	That's all we're going to do.
	Ostrasisi says, why am I constantly seeing people misrepresent what Shapiro said?
	It's amazing in the course of 24 hours how people can misrepresent things.
	Yeah, I mean, like I said, I'm just talking about Ben Shapiro saying that white men have to just do the thing, right?
	That wasn't on stage.
	That was something else.
	But they're not winning the argument by saying, no, I'm living purely in the ideological realm because people are the ones who hold ideologies.
	They don't operate independently of humans.
	So this false dichotomy, it just has to end, really.
	Harry says, my dream is to have a large family, like the ending of death becomes her.
	Why shouldn't I have a family that look to me with love so that I know I deserve their love?
	Why do they want to take my dream away?
	Well, that's the point, isn't it?
	That's the point.
	That was completely open to your father, your grandfather, your great-grandfather.
	And going back all into the midst of time, it's totally fair for you to think that you deserve the same.
	Objectively, a cat says, it's kind of hard for me as an American to summon up any degree of respect for Danny, given our parochial disdain for hereditary peerage in all forms.
	Yeah, but you've got to understand the hereditary peerage in England is part of the tradition of England.
	And actually, it's served us quite well.
	The hereditary peers have often been pretty good, actually.
	And to be honest with you, I think that America has more of a hereditary peerage than it's prepared to admit.
	It just does these things in different guises.
	I mean, George Washington is a great example of this.
	The man was just an aristocrat.
	He was no different to an 18th century lord in many ways, actually.
	So I think the Americans have some mysticism that prevents them from seeing accurately how their own country works, but this is a different conversation.
	The religion of progressivism with the shortest lived religion in history.
	No, no, no, it's gone for 300 years so far, and it's still doing, if not longer.
	So it's got a lot of life left in it, I think.
	It's going to be a long war against it.
	But anyway, thank you for joining me, folks.
	Like I said, I hope this has been useful.
	If the Lord Baron Finkelstein watches this, then I appreciate that.
	And I think I've been respectful.
	I haven't insulted him or anything like that.
	I think that what I have laid out here is just frankly something that he can't get away from.
	This is a contradiction you just can't escape.
	And so it has to be dealt with head on.
	And the forthright thing to do would be to admit: yes, the English as a people deserve what the Jews as a people are entitled to have.
	There's no difference there.
	We deserve our own Israel, and we used to have it.

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