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Jan. 11, 2019 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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The Nazi Word

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	Brexit has inflicted a mania upon the British Parliament that all boiled over this week when a group of pro-Brexit protesters decided to get together while pro-Romaine MP Anna Soubry was having an interview and call her a Nazi.
	I do object to being called a Nazi actually.
	Subry is a Nazi!
	Right, um, well, apologies to you if you're offended by what you're assuming.
	This is this is what has happened to our country, actually.
	This is what's happened to our country.
	But anyway, let's try and move on and be positive about things.
	Oh dear.
	Is it uncomfortable to be called a Nazi? asked the Brexiteer to the Remainer.
	I've never heard that before.
	When would anyone ever feel the need to call someone else a Nazi?
	These people are members of a lot of them, the English Defence League.
	They support people like the so-called Tommy Robinson man.
	These are fascists and overwhelmingly it seems as well many of them are racists.
	Oh dear.
	You call them fascists and racists, which I presume means Nazi, and then when they call you it back, suddenly they've gone too far.
	I think the Nazi does cross the line actually.
	Oh, does it really?
	It didn't cross the line when you were calling them Nazis, but as soon as they call you a Nazi, suddenly, oh, now we've going too far.
	Do you think that maybe you should have considered what it was like to have a taste of your own medicine, Anna?
	I also want to say that this is not a competition as to it's a bit like turning into a bit of willy wavy actually, isn't it?
	You know, I've been more abused than you've been.
	Oh, is it not a competition?
	Well, that's good because the Brexiteers would win who has been abused verbally by the opposition the most, wouldn't they, Anna?
	Because at the end of the day, it really is one rule for one and one rule for another.
	I mean, you're a moderate centrist, aren't you?
	And other people who aren't moderate centrist, those people deserved it.
	I am a moderate mainstream Tory MP and I always have been.
	Mr. Farage is in a rather different place.
	But okay, Anna, so what's like really the problem?
	Don't worry about your partners in crime, the people of the same political class as you.
	What have the plebs done to really get your ire?
	It's the tone.
	Oh, it's the tone.
	Were they not being respectful enough when they called you a Nazi?
	Were you being more respectful when you called them a Nazi?
	They have no regard for law at all.
	And I'm afraid the truth is, is Brexit has unleashed these people.
	This is Britain now.
	This is not the Britain I know and love.
	And these people do not represent our country and they need sorting out.
	Holy shit, Anna, what kind of tone was that?
	They need sorting out with wild eyes.
	Good God.
	I dread to think what you'd do to them if you have the opportunity.
	But to be honest with you, the problem is they didn't do anything wrong.
	At least, not that anyone was aware of.
	But I tell you what, the police are certainly looking into it now to see whether calling someone a Nazi is a fucking hate crime.
	We're currently assessing all the information that's available to us.
	We are taking advice as to whether the behaviour from yesterday meets a criminal threshold.
	And once that investigation is complete, we can then determine the most appropriate police action.
	He's calling someone a Nazi criminal activity.
	And that is part of the assessment that we are making at the moment.
	We need to understand whether language such as that does meet a criminal threshold.
	Imagine if it suddenly becomes a criminal offence to call someone a Nazi.
	I mean, I'm not big on hate crimes and speech restrictions, as you may well know, but I mean, if we're going to have them, it would be nice to never be called a Nazi again.
	For example, the guy who did this was a guy called James Goddard.
	I'd never heard of him before, so I went to a local man on Twitter to find out just whether James Goddard was a Nazi or not.
	Spoiler alert, he is, but now I can report Kevin Logan to the police for committing a hate crime.
	I personally suspect that Douglas Carswell is probably a lot closer to the truth when he calls them ofish boars.
	But then what do I know about the subject?
	Well, I do know that they didn't start it.
	These people are a response to what has already been happening.
	And they went over to Owen Jones to tell him precisely what they thought of him.
	It's all snake!
	I am wounded.
	I am a snake.
	You are a liar, little snake.
	Let's have a chat.
	I'm a chat.
	Why'd you support a party?
	Open leave.
	Quite, let's talk about calling to the IRA.
	But has mala.
	Oh, this is amazing.
	And this is what you're doing.
	Measly, you're a disgrace.
	Disgrace!
	Feel sorry for your parents raising swords at you.
	You are a vile, field little bully.
	But you laugh at me.
	You are quite frankly one of the biggest dicks in this country.
	Well, that's a fact that's been well known for many years in Britain.
	I mean, here's Owen Jones in 2009 at a protest against BNP party leader Nick Griffin, where they gratuitously called him a Nazi and chased him off with intimidation and presumably a threat of violence.
	Nick Griffin abandoned his press conference.
	Soon an egg struck him on the neck.
	Look, I don't care if it's happening to actual Nazis.
	I don't think that that's how we should conduct ourselves.
	But Owen Jones has been doing it for the better part of a decade, at least.
	And when Owen's best buddy Jeremy Corbyn says, you know what, I think we should disavow this, it comes off as a tad hypocritical.
	Also, Mr. Speaker, agree with the Prime Minister on the point she made about intimidation of members of parliament and representatives of the media outside this building as happened a few days ago when the member for Broxtow and Owen Jones the Guardian were intimidated outside this building and I send my support and sympathy to both of them.
	That's pretty incredible considering he surrounds himself with momentum, a frankly particularly socialist or and or communist group that is known for intimidating other members of his party and his openly Marxist shadow chancellor John McDonnell said this in 2012.
	I want to be in a situation where no Tory MP, no Tory MP, no coalition minister can travel anywhere in the country or show their face anywhere in public without being doubtful It's not so much the loyal opposition anymore but the revolutionary opposition calling for the public harassment of the other side because they're not getting their way.
	I mean dare I say I would consider that undemocratic.
	However, the yellow vests going up to Anna Subury and complaining about what she was doing to her face and then chanting something at her while she was having an interview with Sky News or whoever it was is not undemocratic any more than it was when Owen Jones was doing it to Nick Griffin.
	But this didn't stop with Nick Griffin did it this didn't end with just Nick Griffin because it never does.
	Not that it was justified then anyway.
	As soon as you take out the extremes at the very fringes then the extremes become closer to the center.
	Anna, what are you not doing now, Anna?
	Is he keeping panic?
	Why are you not doing that Annos?
	Anna I want to know why you make lies about me.
	could go on for a while and that's why that's the other thing that has now got to happen is we have to be absolutely I do object to being called a Nazi actually Right, but apologies to if you're offended by what you're saying.
	Oh yeah, it's not so fun when it's people calling you a Nazi instead of you calling other people a Nazi.
	Is it Anna?
	I've got some, er, Tommy Longson fans here, lovely old chaps, I'm gonna go home later, have Have some.
	Have some roast cabin.
	Yeah, it's not so funny when the protesters are surrounding you and intimidating you, is it, Owen Jones?
	Remember that this kind of violence and intimidation has been going on to, I guess, what we will call right-wing figures from the left and Brexiteers from the Remainers for quite some time now.
	I mean, I've suffered this.
	I mean, every day, literally every day, year after year.
	My family was attacked.
	The car was smashed up and vandalised, written off, and the police didn't pursue a single prosecution.
	I remember once, Piers, going to Edinburgh and being attacked by a mob of 80 people in the street.
	Language and abuse and intimidation far worse than we saw yesterday.
	And I was told by Alex Salmond, the First Minister of Scotland, that I basically deserved it because I'd come to Scotland where I wasn't popular.
	You won't answer the question, will you?
	Your dad won't answer the question.
	Daddy And that's all pretty bad but at least antithar didn't actually try to actually attack them like they did with me
	Oh All I'm saying, guys, is it's funny how now, when you get the most mild taste of it, it's something that has to stop.
	This is something that's totally unacceptable because now it's affecting you.
	So there is a real double standard here that those of us that have taken on the establishment have to endure the abuse.
	Those within the establishment get a taste of it and suddenly they want the law changed.
	And so of course, what exactly is Anna Subry's solution?
	Well, obviously, it's censorship.
	Obviously, it's the repression of political dissidents who are doing nothing outside of the norm for British politics since the Brexit referendum and before, just because it's affecting her.
	Their understanding of things is that there's no threat to my safety and I take them at their word.
	I think the real concern is the threat to democracy, if I may say.
	the idea and the aim is to shut people up like me and it's also to stop you guys from doing your job which can't be right in a free robust democracy as we all believe in and i as the police said and you believed they posed no threat to your safety Therefore, what you're listening to is the Vox populi of a very angry population that sees you working to undermine their vote.
	So when you say, oh, they're a threat to democracy, well, you might think that, but they consider you a threat to democracy, as frankly, so do I, Anna.
	And it's sort of almost given people almost a feeling that they have a right to speak and behave like that.
	And in a free society, in a great democracy, they don't.
	You know, I think they actually might.
	I mean, it doesn't look like they've broken any laws.
	And if they have broken some laws by calling you a Nazi, then my goodness, there are a lot of lawbreakers in the Remain camp and on the left.
	I really get the feeling that it's not that they don't have the right to do it.
	It's just these uppity peasants are offending your sensibilities.
	And the only reason I can think of to want to offend someone's sensibilities is if they have stopped listening to you.
	Word about anything else.
	What we need is to get this determination.
	And the thing is, at the end of the day, Anna, you said that this wasn't intimidating to you anyway.
	So, as far as you're concerned, they've done nothing wrong.
	So, I don't get scared by these people or intimidated.
	And I was a reporter, remember, for Central during the miners strike.
	So, that doesn't.
	I'm not, I don't feel physically intimidated.
	If there's anything, my difficulty is I want to respond, and you mustn't.
	And I know that.
	So, I'm really behaving myself, because you might imagine what I'd like to do.
	Truly spoken like Hitler, but Anna, the point is, you actually should respond to these people.
	These people care enough about what you're trying to do in such a deep way that they're going to take time out of their schedules and go and actually go there and protest you and get this kind of attention.
	They want to talk to you.
	You should respond to that in kind and say, Okay, fine, but I'm not prepared to talk to you like this.
	Therefore, choose like two or three of you.
	We'll sit down, we'll record it, and then we'll put it out so people can watch it and we can actually have a calm conversation about your problems.
	What are you objecting to?
	I would say that this is probably reflective of a deep well of feeling across the country, particularly the parts outside of London.
	And maybe, just maybe, as one of the leading anti-Brexit figures that is still active within the actual government itself, maybe you should talk to them.
	Don't go off on a wild tirade against spiked editor Brendan O'Neill because you are feeling kind of hemmed in by the fact that you are directly opposing the democratic decision of the British nation.
	Can I just say, I didn't know I was coming on this podcast with this man, I think he's hugely offensive, and there's a very good example.
	You think that I'm not scared because of what happened to her?
	That is appalling.
	It is absolutely appalling.
	Are you serious?
	A real-life human being.
	I tell you now, the fear that people don't think I'm frightened.
	I'm sorry, you can't just sit there shouting.
	She was sent a threat to her, a real-life human being, and somebody actually was murdered.
	Right, well, we're going to change the subject in any case.
	You are an absolutely awful human.
	You only care about division.
	Let's leave the insults out of it.
	You must have literally known that.
	I just want to ask Owen Patterson because he's a serious fellow and a genial fellow as well.
	In your view, in your view, as a parliamentarian, a former cabinet minister, what does taking back control mean?
	Just an awful human being.
	i'm trying to finish please i'm tougher than half the bloody people in there and almost all of the men my you can say all of this but to the point of stopping other people using it That's the point.
	So, this is what I'm saying.
	This is an easily resolvable question.
	A real-life human being.
	Are you insane, Anna?
	To characterize you and yours as real-life human beings and them and theirs as not?
	Why are you dehumanizing sections of the electorate?
	This is why I have to defend Nick Griffin, you fucking morons, because he's a human.
	And when Owen Jones, radical socialist that he is, decides to go out and harass him and protest him and try and do violence against him, I have to defend Nick Griffin.
	I don't want to, but he's a human being, you fucking psycho.
	So are the people opposing you.
	And those people saying, right, okay, we need to hurt them.
	Well, good job.
	It seems that you did.
	Both PayPal and Facebook removed James Goddard's accounts.
	And I can't even figure out why.
	Because he did nothing out of the ordinary for political activists in Britain.
	A spokesman for Facebook said, we have removed his page for violating our policies on hate speech.
	Really, what did he say?
	That's a remarkable coincidence.
	This timing.
	It's really weird.
	Really gets the noggin jogging, really makes me think.
	Because I mean, if that's what provoking real world violence is, then surely Owen Jones deserves to lose his Facebook and PayPal accounts as well.
	There is absolutely no distinction between what James Goddard did and what Owen Jones did.
	And so now we're at the point where we're looking at criminalising the word Nazi, because apparently free speech requires that we shut down the far right.
	Because it's okay when the far left call everyone a Nazi, but when the far right decide to co-opt that language and start using it right back, now it's a problem and we need to break out even more censorship.
	That is not the answer to our problems.
	The answer is dialogue.
	I don't want any of this to be happening, but god damn it, it's so obvious to see that it's going to.
	People are annoyed because they don't feel like they're being listened to, and instead of listening to them, you try to silence them.
	That's not wise.
	I think it'll get worse from here if you do something silly like that.
	So why don't you bring all of these people to the table and let them speak?

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