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Jan. 11, 2019 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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Control Through Identity ｜ Candace Owens Interview
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How's it going, Candace?
It's going really well, actually.
Fantastic.
It's very exciting.
Right, now because when you're dealing with any kind of activist who's been working for a long time, you have to address certain things that they've done in their past and said that people on the left and right apparently don't like.
But to be honest with you, I'm not going to do that because I find that to be kind of a leftist tactic.
This is what they do with me all the time.
You tweeted something five years ago and now you have to be held accountable.
So I guess what I'll start with is, can we talk about what happened with you and Kanye West?
Yeah, no, for sure.
So obviously Kanye found my videos online and they were sent to him and he started watching them and it was very exciting obviously when he tweeted me and was willing to get into sort of this political fight for black minds to be freed.
You know, there's a bit of a backstory there.
I did a bit of traveling with him and I think the cleanest way to say it is just that there was a tremendous amount of pressure on Kanye when he was tied to Blexit and he respectfully asked for a break and I gave it to him.
I mean I don't know what to say.
There's really like he I think what he learned very quickly is that you can't do politics that way.
You can't have one foot in and have one foot out and think that you're not going to have your life completely unraveled in front of you in the public.
And the way that they came for him specifically when Blexit was announced was like nothing I've ever seen or been through and it certainly wasn't my intention for him to have to carry the brunt of it.
And he, you know, he called me, he asked for, he said he wanted to get out of the kitchen was his exact words.
And he just needed to make sure his, that he could still be Kanye West outside of politics.
I think he's done that.
And I always said I thought he was going to come back.
And he's back.
His New Year's tweets were remarkable.
And I think it's well worth talking about the one about the MAGA hats and how it allows him to be himself and means they can't control him.
What do you interpret him as meaning with that?
It's exactly true.
So people ask me why I wear my MAGA hat through airports.
To me, it's a symbol to liberals that they can't own me because of the color of my skin.
I'm a free black person.
That's what the MAGA hat means to me.
You can't tell me who I have to like, what I have to think, who I have to hate because of the color of my skin.
And that's quite literally what the left has done, right?
That's what they've done.
They've assigned a certain mentality to black people that black people cannot step outside of.
I refuse to abide by those restrictions.
And wearing the MAGA hat symbolizes freedom for many black people who are starting to understand that Trump is not the enemy that the media has created whatsoever.
We're doing wonderfully under this presidency, way better than we were doing under our first black president for eight years.
And it's time for us to sort of unleash our minds.
Yeah, I mean, I love the way that you frame all of this because the democratic opinion is that black people must be Democrats.
It's very prescriptive.
But the sort of turning point USA position is you don't have to be a Democrat.
It's liberating rather than confining.
And Kanye is a very entertaining guy to watch.
And this kind of almost like, I don't know, it's almost like innocence.
Right.
Like this effervescent sort of energy is coming out of him.
And you can tell that they're trying to keep it in.
And I'm on the Kanye side.
I'm just saying, go, man, go.
Don't let them stop you.
He won't ever be able to be contained.
And I said that, especially after the Blexit scandal happened.
I mean, TMZ asked me what happened.
And I said, Kanye will be back.
He's Kanye West.
You can't tell Kanye West what he has to think.
Even if you can temper him for a couple of months, he'll be back.
This is what he believes.
He's always been that person in the wild card in Hollywood, the person that couldn't be controlled, that never really conformed.
And in so many ways, they told him that he couldn't like Kim Kardashian, so he married her.
They told him he wasn't allowed into fashion, so he sold the most popular sneaker in the world.
And this is because he doesn't like when people tell him what he can or cannot do.
He doesn't like being confined.
And I have that similar spirit, and I think Donald Trump has that similar spirit.
Kanye calls it dragon energy.
Well, it's one of the things that attracts me, Tony, because I'm very sensitive to that as well.
As soon as someone says, I can't do something, well, I'm afraid now I have to.
Right.
I wasn't going to, but you made me.
Right.
Now I must.
I love the way he comes across like a force of nature, really, especially when he was in the White House with Donald Trump in that quite famous press conference that the press didn't want to talk about.
I mean, he was just hitting all the right points, wasn't he?
He was, and I was fortunate that I met him right after that meeting.
We met at a hotel, and just to feel that energy coming off of him, like he said the things that needed to be said.
And I don't even think he understands the significance of what he's done.
I don't think he understands what it means.
To me, it's the first real opportunity for blacks to get off of this ideological slave ship, and that's because our attention has been seized culturally, right?
So people, oh, sometimes you get these sort of Puritan conservatives, it shouldn't be Kanye West talking about this.
Forget it, okay?
You're not going to have a bunch of black Americans googling Dr. Thomas Soul and watching his videos.
But they all pay attention when Kanye West says something like slavery is a choice.
And it's all about just cracking open the window, right?
To perhaps a different perspective, and he's done that.
And I will always honor and respect him because of that.
Yeah, I mean, that was, honestly, I think one of the most important political events of 2018 is Kanye West just hell fillet.
I'm wearing this hat and you can't control me.
And you can tell watching from the outside that there are definitely forces around him that wish to keep him, I don't want to say on the Democratic plantation, but I honestly can't think of a better way of putting it.
But that is it.
I mean, of course, of course it is.
He's a freed slave, right?
I mean, he's not even a freed slave.
He's an escaped slave.
They're not happy with that whatsoever.
And look, it's not just Kanye West, it's all of us.
I mean, Google any of our names.
And people like to say, oh, it's not because you're conservative.
It's because you support Trump.
Well, then explain the treatment of Dr. Condoleezza Rice when she worked for George Bush, right?
Explain the treatment of Dr. Ben Carson when he ran against Trump.
It is because we're conservative.
We have conservative ideas.
That's it.
It's not because that we support Trump.
It's because we're not allowed to support anything that is not a liberal perspective.
And that's what it comes down to.
We aren't free.
Yeah, and they want to take away your black card, effectively.
I'm like, take it.
I don't need this.
Anything I need a black card?
You need to tell me how to be black.
I've been doing it my whole life, by the way.
I've done it every day.
I've just been black my whole life.
I don't need to be told how to do it.
So what do you think of Trump's presidency so far?
He's been wonderful.
He's been so wonderful.
I mean, this isn't even, this isn't confined to America.
This is a global presidency right now.
Everyone's paying attention to what's happening in America, and they should be.
And they should know that the media is running an everyday aggressive campaign against a president that is loved and adored.
And except for these leftist trolls, these far-left people who will stop at nothing to harm his presidency.
The Russian collusion, non-collusion, the Russian illusion, I like to call it.
And it's because he's finally saying the things that need to be said.
Look, political correctness has been killing society.
It certainly is an issue here in the UK.
In America, we almost lost the country.
Donald Trump saved Western civilization, in my opinion.
That's my viewpoint.
He saved it.
He's the last stand.
I believe America is the last stand for Western civilization.
If America falls, it's all over.
And he is saying what needs to be said.
He's telling us who the real enemies are.
He's talking about bringing back social, I mean, capitalism and making sure that we conquer this socialist perspective that has seeped in to America via the universities and this cultural Marxist ideology.
And he's strong.
He's been an alpha in his positions.
And he's not afraid to stand up and look Chuck and Nancy in the face and say we're going to build the wall, right?
Yeah, well, I was, okay, so since you've segued nicely into it, the Democrats seem to be in a terrible position at the moment.
I mean, who are your thoughts on who they're going to run in 2020?
Look, what we just saw, Elizabeth Warren, who is Hillary Clinton 2.0.
I mean, she's actually worse.
Watching her drink that beer was extremely uncomfortable for everybody, for everybody, okay?
No one should have had to see that.
It would be wonderful to have a Native American president.
I mean, we're all looking forward to this, but that's, I mean, this is who they have, right?
It's going to be Nancy and Elizabeth Warren types, and these are the only people that they have to put forth, people that like to pretend that they're for the people.
These people haven't even touched their own door handles.
The idea of them trying to relate to people is taking public transportation and having it filmed.
I mean, they're completely out of touch.
Why don't they do a live stream with a beer?
Right.
Yeah, and wave while you're on the train, the train that you haven't taken in decades.
They've got to sell it like Kavanaugh, you know.
Yeah, it's unbelievable.
And I think that, look, I think that they will run Beto, and he represents a bigger threat because he is at least appealing to the youth and people like Andrew Gillum, who I think is like Obama 2.0.
But I'm not concerned.
I don't think any of these people will have what it takes to defeat Trump.
And if they were smart, they wouldn't run Beto in 2020.
They would wait until 2024.
Okay, that's an interesting thought.
Yeah.
But they're not smart.
No, they're not.
No, no.
They're so wildly corrupt.
Right.
And this is the thing: too many snouts in the trough, as we would say over here.
People who are invested in the mechanics of the party and use that to get to their positions, which is why Hillary was ever a candidate for anything.
Right.
I mean, talking about the political dynasties and the fact that she got so far, given her past and her corruption, is disturbing.
Does America need another Clinton or another Bush?
No, we do not.
We're all good.
If you guys would like one, we can spare you.
No, God.
So let's talk about how Trump is doing, winning over the sort of hearts and minds in the black community.
Because after Kanye endorsed him, there was a demonstrable spike in young black men supporting Trump, which goes to show you the influence that celebrities have.
And I think that they do.
And I mean, it's very easy, and I'm sure I've said it myself.
Celebrities should never get involved in politics because generally they don't know what they're talking about.
Right.
Well, there's a difference, though.
And there's something that I have to make clear because people say to me, Didn't you do a video on Craiger Hugh saying, Dear celebrities, no one cares what you think?
Okay, well, there's a huge difference in terms of celebrity getting on stage telling you that you must fight Trump at every cause and that Trump is the enemy and Trump is literally Hitler and using their platform to spew hate.
You've never heard Kanye West say anything that good about Hillary Clinton, ever.
He doesn't tell people that they can't be Democrats.
He just says, I love Trump.
If celebrities came out and said, oh, I love Hillary, I wouldn't care.
But it's them telling us what we have to think, who we have to hate.
It's this concept of hate that they're completely seized by.
And that's frustrating.
If a celebrity decides to be like, I don't care, they can like certain people, they can endorse certain people, but the fact that they try to tell us that we are not allowed to like certain people or else, and then they tell us that we're racist or we're sexist.
You've never seen Kanye do any of that stuff.
His is purely a message of love.
I love my president.
Any celebrity could say that I wouldn't mind.
I don't mind when celebrities love Hillary Clinton.
I think it's foolish.
But if they love her, they love her.
I think it's weird.
It's weird, but they love her, they love her.
And I think that that's something that people need to realize.
That Kanye is doing something that actually hasn't been done.
He hasn't told you to vote for Trump in 2020.
He's just saying he's going to vote.
He likes Trump.
He didn't even vote for Trump.
He just says he likes Trump.
Did he?
He didn't vote for him, no.
So, no, I mean, I'm not like an expert on rap music or anything, but I thought Donald Trump was kind of popular in these circles.
He's beyond popular.
Everyone wanted to be like Trump.
Are you kidding me?
Trump was the goal.
I mean, Obama has a quote saying that the idea of the American dream is everybody wants to be like Donald Trump.
Yes, exactly right.
So this is why I find it so baffling.
Like, there aren't more rappers who are just like, you know what?
I do like Donald Trump.
An underground ecosystem of rappers, and I know them and I should call them out that fully support Trump, the ones that are the most successful and entrepreneurs and have made something of themselves, support Trump, but they do so quietly.
And there's something that's very condescending about that, that they almost feel that their audience is too stupid.
Like, it's not worth going through the headache of explaining to you guys why I support Trump because you guys are stupid.
That's what these rappers really think of their audiences.
And what I always say is, it's not so much that the left thinks we're stupid.
The problem is that we've been proving them right for so long.
That's why I say the black community, right?
They think we're stupid, but we've been proving them right.
Hillary Clinton came out with hot sauce and said that she had hot sauce in her bag to get the black vote.
And we gave it to her, right?
And we gave it to her.
She won 89% of the black vote.
Imagine if, I don't know, just some politician came out, I've brought tea to get the income.
Yeah, yeah, I love tea.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
You do, Elizabeth Warren.
But this is the thing, and I've always found it really perplexing because, yeah, you see the sort of veneration of Trump as a successful entrepreneur, businessman, billionaire, and then he becomes president.
Racist.
And it's just like.
Spam.
I can't believe that the Democrat stranglehold over the black imagination was strong enough to overcome that.
Because you would, I mean, if I was a rapper, I'd be thinking, that's my boy.
I'd be in exactly his position.
And some of them are like that.
Lil Wayne has never once said anything.
You've got Floyd Mayerweather, who's been like, I like Trump.
And they don't get too much flack for it, but it's been sort of jarring to see that the majority of them were able to just switch.
And to me, it just shows that they're bots, they're programmed bots.
And that's why I've lost so much respect for the hip-hop community because it's like people are behind you because you're supposed to be pioneering individualism and that you can overcome things and it's okay to just be you.
But then you all cower.
You all cower and you show that you don't have a thought process.
You're not an individual.
You've just been collectivized and you're owned.
And you loved him.
He was in your songs and now you realize he's racist.
Like, come on, guys.
They perform that song now.
Yeah, exactly.
How do you perform that song?
How do you account for all of these pictures of him hugged up with so many rappers and entertainers and they're all at his parties and everybody loves Trump and then they go, oh no, now I can't love you because I'll lose sales.
It's for sales.
They don't really think he's racist.
If anybody actually thought the president of the United States was literally Hitler, we would literally be doing what the Jews were doing as Hitler came to the rise, which is trying to get the hell out of the country.
Okay?
We would all be trying to get the hell out of the country.
No one's leaving.
All of a sudden, they didn't move to Canada.
Nobody moved, nobody left because nobody actually thinks Trump is Hitler whatsoever.
They just are upset they didn't get what they wanted.
It's just the narrative.
And one thing I love about it is, where are you going to go?
Oh, the only country whiter than America.
Yeah, right, right.
You don't move to Mexico.
Yeah.
That's weird.
Yeah, exactly.
It's weird.
Why aren't you going to Mexico?
This is so, I mean, shouldn't we just be swapping?
You want to open borders, but you go to Mexico and we'll take some of the people that are coming, trying to get into the caribou.
Take their capital.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
So, what are your thoughts on the government shutdown?
Love.
Specifically over the wall.
Because let me say that quickly, because I find the very issue to be maddening from both perspectives.
There's nothing immoral about a wall.
A wall can't discriminate.
It's not in any way a statement of intent against any particular race or gender or whatever.
And it's, I mean, $5 billion is a lot of money, but then when you put it in perspective of what the Democrats are asking for.
Well, we give money to an aid.
We give $10 billion in aid to South America.
So what are we even talking about?
Yeah, and then you've got Cortez asking for $42 trillion or something ridiculous.
And then they'll tell you it's wasteful money on the wall.
It's absolutely nothing.
And the thing is, the alternative, like the other side of the argument is the war won't be as effective as people want it to be.
Okay, sure, that's true.
You know, nothing's going to be as effective as you'd like.
But it'll be very effective.
It will be effective against the people who aren't prepared for it.
Right.
And the people who are prepared for it face a barrier that they have to then.
It's an extra level of protection.
Correct.
And yeah, okay, it might not be the most effective use of money.
But the point is it's a statement.
Yeah.
You know, America is going to be taking its border security seriously.
It's going to be taking illegal immigration.
But it's not just a statement either.
It actually has proven to be effective.
They've built miles of the wall.
Oh, and they've been able to actually show the decrease in having illegal immigration at those points.
So it's tremendously effective.
It also is a statement that says we're taking this seriously now.
And this is not a joke.
We're not going to allow the Democrats to usher people over the border for votes because they're looking at them and they're realizing that they could potentially be losing the black community.
So now they need new voter mules, as they like to call it.
Well, they've lost the white community, haven't they?
That's correct.
So they no longer have that guarantee of a vote.
And if they can get illegals over and get them to vote illegally, then they're fine.
But I mean, look, I am obviously pro-shut down.
People ask me what I think about the wall.
I ask them how do they feel about front doors and homes, you know?
So, do you mind ringing?
Do you mind knocking?
There's a system here.
And you have to get permission to enter someone's home.
Why shouldn't you have permission to enter a company?
It doesn't mean it's like not even an argument.
And it's ridiculous if they're trying to call it racist.
And quite frankly, no one even cares.
The word racism has just lost its edge in America.
It's like everybody's, everything's racist.
It's ridiculous.
How is this racist?
It has nothing to do with your race.
We have a system here.
There's law and it has to be respected.
And the left wants lawlessness.
That's what they want.
They want chaos.
They want so much chaos and lawlessness under the Trump administration so they can go in 2020 and say, look at all the chaos that's happened.
But they're the ones creating it.
This makes sense.
This is why it's so brilliant when Trump goes and shows the clips of all of them in support of the wall.
Chuck Schumer in support of the wall.
Barack Obama wrote in his book a whole thing about how illegal immigration is an insult.
In his book, whatever it was that I didn't read, but I saw the page on it.
And there's videos of him saying that he supports the wall.
And they all were on board until Trump said that he wanted to do something about illegal immigration.
So Trump effectively seems to have the 1990s Democrat platform.
I mean, that's exactly it.
That's exactly it.
I don't even know if you have to go back that far.
I mean, it was all common sense until they started realizing that they lost control.
And that's what this comes down to.
They are shocked that Donald Trump was able to go completely around the mainstream media to defeat two political dynasties and to win president of the United States.
They are floored.
They dominate the media.
This is supposed to be the way that, but what did he do?
He used social media.
He got around them.
And that's why we're seeing what's happening now where they're banning conservatives.
It's our fault, right?
It's the fault of these YouTubers that jumped up and told the truth.
Nobody's watching CNN anymore.
Nobody cares.
Have fun.
Have at it, Jake Tapper and Don Lemon.
Really?
It exists in your echo chamber.
Nobody cares about CNN.
It is fake news, you know?
I love watching them stamp their feet on their shows as well, where they sit there and moralize as if anyone cares.
Nobody needs Chris Cuomo's moral permission to have their opinions.
Yeah, and they can't stand people like me.
You know, they're just shocked, and they're working so hard, and they got their whole shit for an hour, and I sent a tweet, right?
And it just gets completely ricocheted across the internet, and it makes them look puny because they are puny.
There is something that's very puny about the media now.
It seems so unimportant when we're fighting to save Western civilization and we're all banding together and we're having meaningful discussions about why it's so important that we have more speech, right, to conquer bad speech, more speech, debate these ideas and to understand what's happening.
Yeah, and you know which side's just illegitimately defending the state's quote when they go down to censorship.
You know, that's that there is only one reason censor and that is to defend the hegemony of the current existing order.
That is exactly correct.
That's the only reason.
That is exactly correct.
Exactly.
And so when they get down to this and Silicon Valley is completely complicit in all of this, it just goes to show who's in charge.
Right.
Donald Trump might be the president, but they don't consider him to be in charge.
They consider themselves to be, I mean, they look at him like he's led an insurrection.
Right.
How dare you?
Yeah, that's exactly true.
And look, what he did, it's a revolution that's happening in America right now.
And it feels revolutionary to tell the truth right now.
It's this revolutionary act to tell people what's actually going on.
And Donald Trump stood up on the stage and he told the truth.
He said, we're losing.
We're losing this country.
You know, this is crap.
Everything that's going on is us losing.
We've been shamed.
Like, it was shameful to be patriotic, right?
Like, excuse me, now I'm like red, white, and blue all day.
And I love being an American.
And Trump brought that back because we were learning to be shameful and to put our tail in between our legs in school.
Oh, you should feel bad about being an American.
Just give up everything you have.
It's just everything you have you don't deserve.
You know, it's terrible.
Then you've got to go into the kind of mindset that would even consider trying to undermine a child's identity like that.
It just strikes me as being, well, I mean, I don't use the terms good and evil often.
Right.
Because I feel they've got a religious dimension.
But, I mean, how else do you describe someone who attacks a child's identity?
Well, think about it, though.
So what's quite ironic is that you constantly hear their favorite thing to always make comparisons to is Hitler, right?
Like they love to call him Hitler.
But think about what they've done.
It's almost, it's by the book, Hitler.
I mean, this is why Hitler celebrated the thinkers in the progressive, in the progressive era and the Margaret Sanger and the eugenicists and all this stuff is because they've sort of put forth this ideology of realizing that you could train a child and that's how you can sort of brainwash people and warp them via the education system.
You had the Hitler youth, right?
And that's, you have to draw this, it's a very real parallel to understand that we are learning, actively learning how we should think in the school system.
Until you step outside of it, I thought I had to be a liberal because I'm black.
I learned that though.
I didn't come up with this idea by myself.
I learned that in the education system.
I thought that liberals were fighting for liberty, right?
And conservatives wanted to go back to a time where blacks were picking cotton.
I learned that, actively learned that in the school system.
That's scary to think about now that I've stepped outside of it and awakened.
But it's a total inversion of history as well, because the first black senators and stuff were Republicans.
That's correct, that's absolutely.
The Republicans were anti-slavery.
Lincoln was a Republican.
But they don't teach you that in school.
It's revisionist history.
They leave out elements.
You don't know.
I mean, and LBJ is hailed as a hero.
There's no one that's done more harm to the black community than President Lyndon Baines Johnson, and he's hailed as a hero in the textbooks.
This has always been my problem with the Democrat mindset towards minorities.
It was either hostile, and they found him KKK and things like this, or it's patronizing and paternalistic, as in, you know, we need to just give them these things because they can't earn these things on their own.
Right.
And it's like you're trapping people in a cycle of dependency.
Right, and that's by design.
And the thing is, so it's like the government, it was evil when the government didn't, right?
So I always say there's two types of leftists, the ignorant or evil, right?
So you have the government who is just evil, and they just wanted to make sure if they could secure the black vote after we got our rights in the civil rights, they said, okay, now we need to marry them so that they always need the government and we are always voting, you know, in a way that grows government.
So that's evil.
But then you think about what's going on now and what's happening with these white allies, as they call themselves.
And you and I spoke a little bit about this before, but this is the complex of the white savior.
Yes.
Where it's like they feel so good, like they can pound their chest and they can look at another white person and say, you're disgusting.
Because what I do, I do for black people.
But it is patronizing.
It is condescending.
And you know it's not true.
They are not trying to help black people because when they hear a voice like mine, and I'm black, what do they do?
They've got to suppress me.
They say, yeah, you try to suppress me.
They say, don't listen to her.
Because what happens?
The whole world falls apart when a black person looks them in the eye and says, I don't need you.
Absolutely.
That is exactly what it is.
And what I really hate about it is the fundamental presupposition.
Like, you would never go to another white person.
These people would never go to another white person and say, oh, this person needs a handout.
Right.
This person needs dependency.
Right.
They would never do that.
They would say, come on, get a job, pull yourself up.
They would become remarkably conservative.
But as soon as it's a black person or a Muslim person or non-Western, non-white, I suppose Western, the way they look at it is inherently supremacist.
It is.
As if they are better than them.
And you can't get it on your own.
And that's why I rise to the challenge.
And I say, you have an issue with the fact that I'm telling you that I don't need you.
I mean, is there anything more white supremacist than that?
Like, you think you actually have learned that you are better than me.
And me telling you that, no, yeah, we're on the same playing field, buddy.
You know, I want to piece this American dream.
I want to work hard.
I want to earn my spot in society.
And you're freaking out, and you're screaming at me, and you're telling me that I don't have the right to think that because you are a white supremacist.
You're the very thing that you claim to repel.
You're a white supremacist.
It's just the only difference is they have really guilty consciences.
Right.
It's applied to virtue.
You know, they think that it's virtuous.
And that's what I say to the minority community when I speak in front of black people and Hispanic people.
I say to them, do you want to be a puppy at the pound that is worth rescuing so they can come home and say to their friends, I rescued this puppy?
Because that's the way that these white liberals view the minority community.
Oh, look, I attended a Black Lives Matter thing today and wore a march.
Oh, my gosh, you're such a good person, Becky.
You're such a good person.
I mean, that's what it comes down to.
It is.
And social media feeds this as well, because if you give the appearance of virtue, your actual actions don't matter.
No.
So you put up a post, you've got the right selfie, and suddenly everyone's saying, oh, you're such a good activist.
But what have you changed?
Well, nothing, absolutely nothing.
And if you actually cared about the black community, you would want to understand why we got here.
You would want to go listen to black conservatives, successful black conservatives.
You would want to listen to Dr. Ben Cars.
You would want to listen to Dr. Thomas Sowell explain these issues beautifully.
You'd want to go listen to a different perspective and say, hey, you know, I don't understand it all, but I'm willing to listen to everybody because I actually am an ally, right?
I want to hear all the respects.
I'm interested in that.
They're interested in feeling good about themselves.
That's it.
Totally agree.
Right, okay, so let's talk about feminists.
Don't even get me started.
I have to.
Oh, she's just freaking so much.
I hate them so much.
I actually almost tweeted on the way here, like, if you're looking for white supremacy, it's been rebranded as third-wave feminism because it has.
I agree.
I know, I really agree with that.
So I hear that you have internalized misogyny.
I do.
I've just found out on Twitter that it's just, I've been diagnosed by a leftist white girl on Twitter, you know, and I critiqued Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez because she is a rabid socialist who doesn't understand basic economics.
And because I critiqued a woman, I therefore internally hate being a woman.
Yeah.
Very collectivist.
Yeah, yeah.
So you can't critique women, obviously, unless you hate women on the inside, even if you are a woman.
But it's interesting how they attack you along gender lines.
You know, that's as if you're disappointing the sisterhood or something.
Yeah, aside from being told how I have to be black, I'm also told how I have to be a woman.
But again, I've been doing it my whole life.
Like, I've just been doing this whole girl thing my whole life.
I don't really need them to tell me how to be a girl, but they're going to try.
But it's the same dynamic, isn't it?
It's just different vectors, you know, along race or gender, but they've still got the same mentality as in we have officially declared women or blacks or this or that, and now you have to do what we say.
Right.
Well, this is what I call these are white liberal elitist suburbanites, okay?
And the only people that could have time to go to a women's march on Tuesday, right?
On a Tuesday afternoon when everybody else is working.
And it's a way for them to assert dominance and power and control.
They take out men that they don't want into power anymore so they can get power for themselves.
But if you want to get power and control in today's society, then the best thing that you can possibly do is pretend that you're an ally to minorities.
So them canceling recently, I know if you saw this, they canceled the Women's March LA because there was all white people going.
Of course there's all white people going.
This is a white supremacist being rebranded to third wave feminism.
And they're asserting power for themselves and using minorities as puppies to gain it.
I can't stand feminism whatsoever.
And we need to stop pretending that it's about leveling the playing field with men.
By every metric, women are doing better than men.
I would rather be a woman than be a man.
Men have to go to war.
We're the ones that they're like, oh, the myth of the wage gap, but they can't comprehend that if you take fashion and design in college, the guy who took engineering might make a little more money than you in the real world, right?
Just because you know how to pick out Prada bags for Vogue magazine, you're not going to get paid the same as a brain surgeon.
And so they perpetuate these things and they want to turn women into men and men into women, which is a whole other thing that I hate about feminism is the guys and the I'm a feminist too, whatever it is.
The depth of masculinity is problematic as well.
Well, yeah, I was going to get to that, but since you've brought us here already.
You started to meet me.
No, no, no, no, no.
I had to because I think it's genuinely important.
Because I think having, I think masculinity is fundamentally healthy for young men.
So healthy.
And it's healthy for women.
Absolutely.
Because, like, you know, whether the feminists like to admit it or not, women like masculine men.
All of the studies will always show that the more masculine a man is, the more attractive he is.
The most unsexy thing in the world is a guy with a tail in between.
He's like, I'm sorry, feminism is forever.
I'm like, what are you doing?
I feel weird.
Like, you know, it makes me feel masculine.
And, oh, I'm not going to hold the door for you.
I don't want to offend you.
No, hold the door.
I have like six bags in my hand.
Like, you know, be it, like, and I was raised with my grandfather.
My grandfather is just like a true, true gentleman.
I mean, like, since the time we were little girls, you know, putting jackets over us and opening doors and car doors and running, just everything, you know?
So I was raised with a real man.
He worked with his hands.
You have these little millennial boys who know how to change a light bulb.
It's disgusting.
So I can put you down as pro-patriarch.
Yes, yes.
And it's disgusting, and they try to pretend that there's something wrong with me for not being attracted to that.
Listen, you can't defeat biology, okay?
I understand you guys get into these little think tanks, you talk about stuff, and there's a new phrase, internalized misogyny.
You cannot beat biology.
Biologically, women are not attracted to that.
Be a man, okay?
Go figure out how to make things work.
Go understand how to build things and allow women to be women.
We should aspire to.
No, I want to have children someday.
I want to be a wife.
That's enough to aspire to.
Raising human beings.
That's the hardest job you could possibly have.
Raising good, productive human beings.
Stop shaming women for wanting to stay home and be good wives and good mothers.
And this, oh my God, this is something that I hear all the time from people on the left.
And they are nihilistic to the point where I just can't even stand talking to them sometimes.
They're like, I have no meaning in my life.
It's like, yes, okay, but most people gain meaning through their children.
Right.
And you're a childless 30-something spinster.
Lena Dunham, Chelsea Handler.
We can go download.
Kathy Griffin, what do you think they're so miserable about?
You think it's Trump?
It's because they have nothing.
Exactly.
They have no lives.
And I got in trouble for saying that they didn't use their eggs and now they've scrambled, right?
It's true.
It's true.
We're meant to have children.
We're meant to produce.
So what happens?
They're not able to be mothers in their lives.
And now they're trying to mother society in a weird, crazy way.
They're unhappy.
They're unfulfilled.
And the best thing is they brought it on everyone.
And everybody else.
You can be unhappy and miserable.
But stop pretending that it's Trump.
Sit down with your baby.
Stop pretending that it's because of Trump, okay?
Yeah, it's something deep within yourself that you need to go through therapy.
Yes, exactly.
And it's because of this weird role reversal that we're seeing happening in society.
And what I say is I'm actually probably a true feminist, right?
I'm actually a true feminist.
I understood feminism to be an empowerment.
Right.
I mean, like, when I first started doing what I was doing, I considered myself a feminist in the sort of liberal second, not the American context, liberal, but you know, like, not the socialist.
Like, liberating.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, self-empowerment.
And, you know, you should be breaking through barriers rather than having them imposed on you and getting consent forms to have sex with you.
Right.
If a guy gave me a consent, I'd just be like, please go away.
Please go away.
I never want to see you again.
And it's destroying.
There's something so beautiful and so spiritual and so symbiotic about the relationship between a man and a woman.
And I mean, it's just, there's something beautiful about it.
You know, men offer things that women cannot.
We think differently.
We're just different, right?
I believe in like a woman's intuition.
I've seen it happen over and over again.
You know, I've obviously been able to spend some considerable time with the president.
And there's something beautiful about his relationship with Melania, and that's how it's meant to be.
And now people are trying to outthink it, right?
Like biology and this beautiful thing.
A man is supposed to be protective of a woman.
Like, you know, oh, we're going to protect ourselves.
We don't need men to have babies.
Okay, first off, this is not going to last too long because of biology.
Eventually, we're going to have to be with men, right?
And this is not going to work, or we're going to extinct humanity because you guys are stupid.
But it's true.
It's so disruptive to me.
And I just, I want to bring back real men.
I want to bring back masculinity.
I want to stop it.
And I said to Charlie, you know, my partner, Charlie Kirk, we need to have, because we do this young women's leadership summit where we talk about this stuff.
And I'd say, we need to be out there defending Brett Kavanaugh, right?
That's a whole nother thing that's terrifying to think about and what radical feminism has done.
It's created a society that men cannot thrive in.
Kavanaugh did nothing wrong.
I could say right now that you sexually assaulted me.
Your whole career is over.
Good luck.
What am I going to do?
Nothing.
Thank God.
I could say, no, but I could say no, but I could say on the way up the stairs.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
Me too.
Even if it's proven that it's untrue and all that, you're already done.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
It's a stain that you'll never be able to get over.
Exactly.
I mean, they still do.
It's Kavanaugh, and there was nothing.
Not a single shred of evidence.
That that man is a hero, that he sat through that and he fought.
That man is a hero.
Unbelievable number of female character witnesses to him who he had mentored over the years.
Right.
And, you know, obviously nothing.
And they were speaking in his defense.
Right.
And to think that that could happen to him, and we talk about radicalized feminism.
What's scary about it is that these people are these alone, miserable Lena Dunham types, Kiki Kathy Griffin types, and they actually, Blazy Four types, and they don't have that connection of, wait, this could be my son.
Yeah.
This could be my husband.
This could be my child.
They're missing that whole element of it.
They don't see that.
There's something that's really like they've sterilized themselves from that feeling.
Very much lacking empathy.
They're lacking empathy because they're not able to have it because they've put themselves in crazy feminist land where women live by themselves and exist by themselves.
And that case, to me, I was like, I want to be the loudest voice against radicalized feminism.
And I've tried to be in my career.
It's like, I'm pro getting black America to wake up, but the other part of this is speaking out against radical feminism because it's gone way too far.
Right.
Right, okay, so I guess we can finish up about here.
So I just want to talk to you about President Trump because how much of what he does is deliberately trolling the media?
Come on.
I mean, get me wrong, I am very much of the opinion that he does this.
Of course he does.
But a lot of people aren't sure.
Of course, I mean, it's brilliant.
I mean, they fall for it every single time.
It's like, when are you going to understand that he's trolling you and you're trapped?
And now it's wall-to-wall coverage.
And now you look ridiculous because you're just like, he's making you say words on air that's funny.
Everything's funny.
And we're having the time of our lives.
People that support Trump, we are having the time of our lives realizing that the media doesn't understand that.
He's just outsmarted them.
He's brilliant.
And this is why he was the media man.
That's why, because he was always the media man.
The media always loved Trump.
And Trump understands the media better than it understands itself.
And he's been able to turn them and make them look ridiculous, make them have ridiculous debates to the point where no one can take them seriously anymore.
And he's proving that they are fake news and they shouldn't be honored and respected until they decide to do real journalism.
And there is no space for that.
Don't get me wrong.
I was a journalism major at university and I really do believe that we need true journalists, but they're so few and far between now that if you find one, capture it and try to mate them.
That's the strategy now.
I don't even know if a breeding program is going to work.
I think as a species, they're gone.
It's just partisan.
But okay, so this, and I suppose this is something I want to talk to you about as well.
Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez.
I'm genuinely afraid that the Republicans are going to do to her what the leftists did to Trump.
I don't believe so.
Well, let me make my case because it's something that I think is concerning.
Because the way that Trump wins, in my opinion, against the left is by not agreeing to their moral framework to start with.
And so when they say, well, you can't say this, he just goes and does it.
The conservatives often do this to Cortez.
I agree.
And that's the wrong maneuver because then you start getting upset and you start going, well, but I said, and I know I'm right.
And she goes, I don't care because my feelings don't care about your facts.
Which is unironically what she said.
So essentially, conservatives should stop being afraid, in my opinion, of her and necessarily like the wing that she represents.
And it is a scary wing.
These are scary people, in my opinion.
But I'm not even sure necessarily what the answer is, but effectively just laugh at her.
Right.
Well, I think so.
So what I agree with is that conservatives have turned her into a celebrity and that's not going to go away now.
She's going to be like the face of leftists and radicalism for a while.
But the reason why ultimately she's harmless is because she can't go far.
So the media did this to Trump where they kept obsessing everything he said and it turned him into like the, you know, the celebrity and everyone got behind him and all that stuff.
Trump's actually smart.
So when he was in a debate with Hillary Clinton and he could defend his ideas and what he was going to do and what his position was going to be, Alexander Casio protests has no idea what's going on.
And even it's bad when Jake Tapper has to call you out and say, this makes no sense.
Or when Anderson Cooper in that moment is like, but facts matter.
So the problem with her is that she actually has no interest in learning why she's wrong.
She's so sure about being wrong and she won't stand, she won't debate anyone.
We've challenged her in debates multiple times and you can't go too far unless you're ready to debate your ideas.
So she is harmless.
She's going to be around for a while.
This is going to be the face of this new extreme left party.
But in the long run, she's harmless.
She's not going to ever be running for president of the United States because she'd have to unfortunately read a book.
Imagine CNN saying to you that facts matter.
I know, right?
She's just like, people get caught up in these facts.
And like, I just am all about the feeling.
Did it feel good when I said we were going to turn into a socialist society?
It felt great.
Yeah.
But I think it's, you know, it's, I don't think it's unfortunate.
I think it is what it is, that you get these people, they become celebrities, she's going to be around.
But I definitely think the conservatives should stop being scared of her.
I mean, the revelation that it's just about her feelings is a great, and she's basically religious.
Right.
You know, this is essentially what she's peddling.
But, right, okay, well, Candace.
So awesome.
Yeah, so great.
Thank you for having me.
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