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A Conversation with Milo Yiannopoulos (11⧸06⧸2015)

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	Hello, everyone.
	I'm here with Milo Yiannopoulos, the infamous Milo Ioianopoulos.
	Hello.
	Yes, coming back after a bit of a victory lap from Twitter after amassing 50,000 subscribers and demolishing a doctor on Sky News.
	Man, that was no big deal.
	You know what?
	It's not.
	That's the problem, isn't it, really?
	I remember when doctors were meant to be fucking smart people, but holy shit, she had nothing.
	It was incredible.
	I mean, I kind of felt sorry for her halfway through because all I was thinking was, ah, she's mad.
	She wasn't like agile.
	You know, she had her script.
	She had what she was going to say.
	And, you know, that was it.
	And you ran all rings around her.
	So good job.
	Well, thank you.
	It's nice of you to say.
	I should just apologise for the delay in starting up today.
	You won't really believe this.
	We have a special sort of surprise guest coming on in a little while.
	And I'm on his phone, as you can tell from the jerky and ridiculous video footage that you're being treated to at the moment, because not a computer or an iPad or a phone of mine managed to work this stuff out.
	And I hate technology.
	I wanted to be a theater critic.
	So I've struggled.
	I've struggled.
	I've struggled, but we're there now.
	So for as long as my arm can hold this phone up, we will have a stream.
	Okay.
	No, it's kind of you to say that.
	I was a bit surprised too.
	There's sort of the halfway through, I mean, I guess some of your viewers will have seen the interview.
	If you haven't, I'll pop it in the chat now.
	Tweet it and I'll retweet it so they can.
	Yeah, sure.
	I'll do that.
	Thanks in the chat.
	Oh, can you not?
	Okay.
	There was a point halfway through where she realized she'd underestimated me because she thought, oh, there's just some sort of blonde gay boy opposite me.
	And then suddenly she started to chew her face off and I started to smirk.
	And that's when things start to get really fun.
	I actually really enjoyed it.
	You know, I've noticed this is a very similar thing.
	It was very much like the critical theorists you debated as well.
	They've got, they're surprisingly rigid thinkers.
	You know, they're not agile.
	They are.
	They are.
	They don't think on their feet very much.
	And I think it's because they're not used to being challenged.
	I was about to say exactly that, actually.
	I think it's because they've literally been in the echo gym for so goddamn long and had no real sort of intellectual challenge.
	It's actually quite sad to watch, you know, when they're just getting completely outclassed and everyone can see it.
	And then she retweets to Twitter and starts going on about misogyny.
	And it's just like, oh, well, now I know you must, you know.
	Well, yeah, I mean, on the subject of feeling bad for her, I should feel terrible for her because some people will know.
	No, I, you know, every time you debate one of these people, you can, it's like clockwork.
	You can always predict what's going to happen next.
	What happens next, invariably, is people come out with a variety of entertaining memes and they're critical of bad arguments, as you would expect the sort of ferocious and funny and smart and sharp denizens of the internet to be.
	Sorry.
	You know, they're funny and feisty and all the rest of it.
	And suddenly you start hearing these buzzwords, suddenly the red flags go up and you hear words like misogynistic, abuse, harassment, safety, everyday sexism, tirade, barrage.
	All of these, all of these are, they're my trigger warning words.
	All of these words are red flags.
	And indeed, as sure as Night Follows Day, she started complaining that she's been subjected to misogynistic, a barrage of misogynistic words.
	So I thought, you know what?
	I've heard this from Gamergate for, I mean, worry, coming on to nine months now.
	And whenever I challenge these people, they are never able to produce an example.
	I debated a feminist on the BBC's big questions, which some of you may know from the memes of Darling.
	I did a video featuring it.
	I'll probably do another one of the same one because it's just too priceless not to go over and comment on because it's the faces they fucking pull.
	They've never been criticized before.
	They've never been contradicted before.
	And it's, you know, it's interesting the way that people use religious language to talk about social justice, the way that they go on, that they sort of burn the heretics, the way that they, you know, there are a lot of variety of reasons why, for example, Wanita Sarkeesian is compared to Jack Thompson.
	They use a lot the same language.
	But there's only one word for their response, and it's like it's blasphemy.
	It's like you have spoken against the holy creed of feminist tenets, whether or you've denied the gender pay gap, which, as we know, is a myth, or you have questioned the supposed epidemic of rape culture on campus, which, as we also know, is a load of old tosh.
	But they're just not used to hearing these things.
	And it puts me in mind more than anything else of a sort of horrified vicar who's just been, you know, it's like someone's just dropped a C-bomb in front of the vicar, you know?
	And they kind of, you know, they drop the wafer and look horrified.
	And it's really the, I mean, I have done that because I've been the person dropping the C-bomb in church.
	And it's the, I mean, it's the nearest I can come up with.
	They really are like bizarre religious ideologues who cannot.
	Honestly, you can tell that they have spent an excessive amount of time in an echo chamber where, as I said, they've never been contradicted.
	The most that they do is like they squabble over the details.
	We are in a rape culture, but how much of a rape culture is the question?
	Is it one in four and one in five?
	You know, it's not, you know, that's exactly the thing.
	And then it's exactly as you say.
	You can tell that they're just not prepared for any kind of facts or information or any kind of actual critical analysis of what they're saying, especially one on the spot.
	I mean, halfway through the interview, the debate, you sort of analyze what she'd said and sort of reframed your arguments to attack what she'd just said.
	She was just speechless.
	There was nothing she could say to it.
	You know, she was sort of flabbergasted because I just think that they're just rocking up and going on these witch hunts and explaining how whatever it is that whatever man they hate today, why it was ill-advised or irresponsible or unhelpful.
	And they use a variety of condescending words to describe somebody saying, you know, sort of speaking a hard truth they don't like very much.
	And it's a remarkable thing, you know, to watch it happen.
	And when you actually sort of criticize them and ask for evidences, ask, in some cases, why is this a problem?
	Is there a real problem here?
	Aren't you just getting upset over nothing?
	And you start questioning their facts, an extraordinary thing starts to happen.
	And she was, is this Dr. Emily Grossman?
	I guess the clue was in the surname.
	We sort of knew what we knew what her opinion of men was going to be.
	Well, that's fair.
	No, no.
	No, there's a character in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I forget which season, called Jenny Callender, who's a brief love interest of Rupert Giles.
	And I don't know whether anybody else follows this kind of stuff.
	Yes.
	I've watched all of Buffy the Vampire's complete net.
	Well, we all have.
	We all have.
	I came out to Stephen Crowder.
	I mean, I've come out three times.
	I've come out three times in my life with ascending levels of difficulty and humiliation and reticence.
	First time it was coming out as gay, which was fairly easy.
	The second time, which was much more difficult, was coming out as a conservative.
	The third one, which was the most difficult of all, was very recently.
	I came out on Stephen Crowder's show as a Trekkie.
	And, you know, I think as a grown man, admitting that you like Star Trek is almost as bad as admitting you like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but I do, and I have watched all of them.
	I think I must have watched like every episode of every series.
	No, but I'm a fashionable homosexual.
	I'm not supposed to like these things.
	Yeah, see, I've got a massive fucking beard.
	I don't have to.
	Do you know, actually, I swear to God, this is true.
	And I'd have tweeted this before, but I swear to God, this is true.
	The police squad, the Vice Squad, the police squad that deals with child abuse, that looks for paedophiles.
	I swear to God, this is true.
	They know to look in grown men for people who have, I mean, it wouldn't work these days because nobody has DVD collections anymore, but they are trained to look out for people who have both Buffy and Star Trek DVD collections.
	Disproportionately, I swear on my mother's life, this is true.
	People who have both Buffy and Star Trek DVD collectors are disproportionately likely to be child abusers.
	Strikes me as ridiculous because that's pretty much everyone I've met in the last nine months.
	And I'm sure they're not all fiddling kids.
	But anyway, on the subject of Buffy.
	On the subject of Buffy, Jenny Callender, who is, of course, killed brutally, is brutally slain by Angels.
	Yes, but Angelus, in fact, to the consternation and horror and misery of Rupert Giles.
	Very often you're getting Buffy criticism or buffology.
	There's a whole journal devoted to it.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	Stop it.
	There's a whole journal devoted to this stuff.
	It's called Slage.
	If you Google Slage, 2,000 geeks have just taken to Google.
	I think it's going to crash the servers.
	If you Google Slage, you will see the Journal of Buffy Studies, which is edited, I think, by Rhonda Wilcox.
	And it's the thing that exists.
	There used to be a youth one, but they didn't get enough submissions.
	But Buffology.
	But the Journal of Buffy Studies is still going.
	It's called Slage.
	And in that, very often, they talk about how they talk about how Buffy is laden with nominative determinism.
	Meaning, you sort of, your name is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
	And in Jenny Callender's case, her name indicates that her days are already numbered.
	The day that you meet her, you know that her days are numbered because her name is Jenny Callender.
	So automatically, there's a countdown to something.
	I can't remember how we got to this.
	I have no idea.
	Oh, Grossman.
	Grossman.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes, yes, as you get, you could sort of tell she wasn't gay to be a men's rights activist.
	No, no, no.
	I was honestly, I'm genuinely.
	I'm just.
	I was watching it and I was genuinely shocked at just how.
	And I don't mean sound insulting, but I found her dull.
	I don't mean sound insulting, but it's like a Milo classic.
	I know.
	I don't mean to be rude, but I hope you don't take this the wrong way.
	Offense is never given, it's always taken.
	I can't abide gossip, however.
	Exactly.
	But she just wasn't, you know, she doesn't seem to be just really she didn't know what she walked into.
	You know, I kind of felt bad for her.
	She really didn't know.
	No, I didn't because I think no, no, no.
	I didn't.
	No.
	No, no, I mean, you know, she's a beautiful, accomplished, successful, articulate woman who was wrong on the facts, was talking nonsense, who was a bit of a disaster, actually.
	I mean, she sort of admitted the premise of, I mean, okay, I'm not the best debater in the world.
	I know that I'm relatively articulate, but to go into a live Sky News debate on defending somebody who said Women in science labs are problematic because you fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and then when you criticise them, they cry.
	To go in and win a debate defending that point of view is quite an extraordinary thing to accomplish.
	And it couldn't have been done only by me.
	There were two participants in this tango, and she was the other one.
	Sorry, excuse me, so complicated phones.
	There we go.
	The only thing that I've got him now is just stress that he wasn't criticizing anyone's intellectual ability.
	At no point was he denigrating women's abilities to be scientists.
	He was just a bit emotional, and then all these women get a bit emotional.
	And it's like, okay, point proven.
	Yeah, well, it was the same with Kate Smirthwaite, the comedian who lost her temper and then claimed afterwards that she was subjected to misogynistic abuse and all the rest of it.
	I've just remembered, oh, why are you mad, sis?
	She lost.
	Sorry that the picture is so jerky.
	I can only apologise to viewers.
	My arm is already getting tired, and I've got another two hours of this fucking shit to do.
	So I'm resting on books, and you're just going to have to deal with me not looking quite my best.
	No, so the reason we got onto speaking about this, we got onto talking about this, because I've written an article today where I thought, you know what, I've heard so much from Gamergate critics that they're subject to misogyny.
	And every time I ask them to produce an example, they never can.
	And this is worrying to me because I don't want people to turn down a debate with me because they think, for instance, that they're going to get marauded by misogynistic 17-year-olds on the internet.
	That's not my experience of the people that follow me and that like what I write and like what I say.
	I don't think of them like that.
	So there's a bit of a disconnect there.
	And I'm wondering, sort of, how has this happened?
	And should I be a bit more vocal about saying, come on, guys, let's not be dicks.
	And so I thought, you know what, I'll do what any feisty out there feminist academic will do.
	I'll look at the data, I'll check, I'll put a researcher on it.
	So I had a researcher look into it, and we could not find a single tweet that we thought on balance realistically was misogynistic.
	There was certainly a large volume of criticism and there was some sort of pointed humor, but I couldn't find it.
	There was no example in the 567 tweets that we looked at.
	There was no example that I could point to where I thought, yeah, that's woman hating, or that's somebody having a go at her because she's a girl.
	There simply wasn't an example.
	So I wrote a piece today, which I think was calmly and reasonably titled, Why do Feminists Lie About?
	No, no.
	It was something about, it was something like, why do feminists cook up stories of misogyny when they lose debates?
	And it's a genuine question, I mean, it's a genuine question I have.
	Having done this for nine months or so, people always say that I got into Gamergate, sort of, you know, sort of latched onto Gamergate because I hate feminists.
	I mean, I have never really particularly liked feminists, but really, it's Gamergate that got me into hating them particularly because it's very much the other way around.
	So there's a very common misconception I can never be bothered to correct.
	But, you know, obviously I never liked them very much.
	And obviously, I took the mickey out of them.
	You probably never had all that much experience with them.
	No, I mean, why would I?
	It was, I mean, Anita Sarkisian really introduced me to the wonderful, wacky world of third-wave feminism in a proper way, you know, in a big professional way, you know, and talk about a baptism of fire.
	So I just will, on your stream, correct that misconception because that's really not how I got into it.
	Many reasons why I opportunistically latched onto Gamergate, but feminism wasn't one of them.
	Feminism wasn't one of them.
	So try again.
	And you know what?
	The funny thing is, right, is that if they never mentioned feminism, I doubt it would come up.
	You know, if no, I agree.
	They might all be Catholics, but I have no idea because they never mention it.
	I wouldn't know.
	It would just be about them being corrupt motherfuckers.
	You can't stop talking about it.
	And it really pisses me off.
	And I know that I criticize feminism all the time, but it's just one of those fucking things.
	It's sort of your specialist subject, isn't it?
	I am one of the best people on it.
	If you were to rock up and with Magnus Magnusson on Mastermind, feminism could be my specialist.
	Your specialist subject is idiot feminists.
	It probably would.
	I've actually just finished doing a video today about someone called Bell Hooks, who is, yeah.
	Well, a lot of people don't.
	And she's an East Sarkeesian's primary influence.
	And if you read anything by Belle Hooks, you can see why.
	Almost everything that Sarkeesian's saying is coming out of her books.
	I've done a video that's going to be hosted on Mr. Repsion's channel.
	He asked me if I wanted to put a video on his channel while he was on holiday.
	So I did it.
	I'll probably host it on mine at some point so people wind up seeing it.
	But it's quite enlightening stuff.
	Lovely.
	Yeah, it's...
	I'm looking forward to that.
	The only most annoying thing about Belle Hooks, aside from all of her beliefs, which are, of course, all ridiculous.
	This absurd lower case conceit that she insists on.
	She wants her name spelt with a lowercase B and lowercase H for reasons that are never entirely clear, but you feel sure have something to do with patriarchy.
	You know, and if I ever run my own publication again, I'm going to have a style book that insists on spelling bell hooks in all caps.
	I'm going to mention her at least once a week in all caps.
	It's supposed to be some sort of fucking.
	I don't even know why, because her grandmother was called Belle Hooks or something.
	And she does it as a tribute to her grandmother.
	But why don't you just fucking close yourself after it?
	Yeah, it's just weird.
	It's weird.
	I'm kind of insulted by it, to be honest.
	I think one of our viewers is going to be smarter than us, is going to come up with the actual explanation she gives.
	Yeah, undoubtedly.
	Yeah, but feel free to put that in the chat.
	I just want to show everyone something, right?
	Look, I've been properly cultivating the actual beard of Sargon as well.
	Oh, wow.
	Properly long.
	Do you know what?
	You're not far off the thing, the logo.
	You're not far off.
	Yeah, I know.
	I've actually.
	No, it's good.
	It's good.
	Yeah, no, no, no, no.
	It's good.
	It's good.
	You know what you should do?
	You should do one of those things where you take a picture every day as you gradually turn into the statue.
	I should, actually, shouldn't I?
	If I had any kind of artistic talent, like I do with Kim Kardashian, you know, I've got a poster on my wall, and every day that passes, I look slightly slushier.
	Oh, it's really big.
	It's really.
	I've actually read.
	No, I've written about this.
	If you Google Milo, why is Kim Kardashian's bottom so implausibly huge?
	You will find an article from me that explains that we have similar genetic heritage.
	And both Greeks and Armenians both have big booties, which is one of the reasons black guys like us so much.
	They won't just let you write about anything at Breitbart, won't they?
	Yeah.
	They're into roomy batties.
	I always say this, but it is true.
	I have to give Breitbart credit.
	They do let me get away with, well, I still get away with murder.
	I don't think I do anything as bad as murder, but they give me enormous freedom and been very supportive.
	And for a sort of evil, terrible, you know, right-wing site, they've been pretty accommodating of the most flamboyant homosexual and journalism.
	So I think they deserve some credit for letting me write this stuff.
	Do you know what I think the social justice warriors hate so much about Breitbart is that it's very much the mirror image of them.
	You know, it's yeah, I mean, it's, and I'm not, I don't mean this offensively, it's not unbiased.
	No, of course not.
	No, no, of course.
	Nobody writing for Breitbart would pretend to be impartial.
	Exactly, exactly.
	You're not suggesting that you are.
	And this is the difference.
	This is why they hate you.
	They're not looking at you and saying, oh, what you're doing is wrong.
	What they're looking at you and thinking is what you're doing is exactly what we're doing, except you're kind of doing it better.
	We do it better and we win.
	And I think, you know, I think also, quite aside from ideological, because we've discussed before, I think, that I think we're both on the same page about this.
	It's not the big division of the decade is not really left and right.
	It's more about authoritarian and libertarian.
	And I think what they particularly dislike about Breitbart is that it has become home to people totally disaffected with their own political side, right?
	People who reflexively think of themselves as left-wing have found themselves with no home on the left.
	If you look at Vox, BuzzFeed, Weiss, Gawker, and I should be not going there, but we disagree, presumably, on almost everything.
	Yet, the most important thing, I think, is that a freedom of expression, freedom of thought, freedom of speech, and a resistance to these bullying, hectoring, nannying, authoritarian figures.
	I think we have that in common, and that's what I have in common with Gamergate, I suppose.
	And I suppose we rightly see that as the great challenge to free speech in our age.
	I mean, very few people have vested interest in free speech.
	That's a very important thing to realize.
	A very important thing to remember.
	Most people aren't particularly into the idea of free speech.
	The only people who people who really hate free speech fall into a couple of categories.
	People who are very powerful, people who aren't powerful at all, people who aren't particularly politically engaged, people who are uncomfortable with new ideas.
	Once you sort of, you know, you knock out all the people who quite like the idea of controlling how other people speak for a variety of reasons, whether it's because they're in authority or they want to tear down authority, you realize that actually the sort of free speech defenders are a sort of quite small, heroic vanguard of people who look after that central linchpin of our democracy for the next generation.
	And it's always a very small group of people.
	It always looks a bit ugly and scruffy and messy.
	They're always fighting on the front lines of culture.
	So quite often, you know, they're difficult to relate to, or you have to put a lot of work in to understand what exactly is going on there.
	Quite often, they're maligned by both the powerful and the powerless.
	And quite often, there aren't very many of them.
	And, you know, I suppose Gamergate is a perfect example of all of those things, with the exception of there aren't very many of them.
	There's loads of them.
	And that's why the left's so terrified.
	Well, that's an interesting point.
	Have you noticed that on Kotaku in Action today, just before the stream started, there were more people sat there watching the forum than there are in Gamergazi?
	In total.
	yeah it doesn't I don't know the house thing is really young I mean and you know what's interesting as well You know what's interesting is that, you know, sort of reflexive conservatives or libertarians, you know, also, we don't tend to wear our politics.
	I mean, I do because what I do for a living, but most people, like me, don't wear our politics on our sleeves.
	Well, this is the difference.
	We can have a conversation.
	And even though you might disagree with my politics, I might disagree with yours.
	It's not affecting the rest of what we talk about.
	My point was that the left is very highly organized, and the same people fight a lot of fights and are very present all the time.
	So it's not just that Gamergazi is so much smaller than Kotaku in Action.
	It's that the Gamergazi people are fanatical.
	They're all fanatical.
	And that's really the sum total of the size of the movement.
	Whereas the people who are sympathetic to the aims of Gamergate, many of them have never even been to Kotaka in Action.
	Some of them don't even know what it is.
	Yeah, it's much larger, and people are, you know, outside that core, which is largely still intact.
	There are dozens of people who simply, you know, dip in and out and not particularly engage.
	If you look at the difference in sort of fanatical commitment, you realize just how huge the gulf is between this tiny band of malcontents, sort of professional grievance mongers and wingers and the vast body of normal people, most of whom, when the terms of debate are explained to them, line up on the right side.
	I find it very amusing that they think they represent normal people as well.
	They honestly do they?
	Oh, no, they do.
	They honestly think, do you think they do?
	I've seen them in posts say, yeah, it's Gamergate versus the world, and we represent the world, literally in those terms.
	And I'm just like, holy shit, you guys are insane.
	People have never been outside of San Francisco.
	Absolutely.
	These people are fucking nuts.
	But yeah, that is terrifying.
	That's an interesting point.
	I mean, they are almost professional activists.
	I mean, they spend their free time being activists for extreme progressivism on the internet.
	And they act as a faction.
	They act as a unit, you know.
	And this is something I have to explain to people when they're getting dogpiled by these sort of by a group of progressives and they're all like, you know, throwing different, you know, oh, you need to read the sociological definition of racism and shit like that.
	And it's just like, well, you know, these people who are new to all this, they have no idea why so many people seem to be acting in such an organized way.
	And they really do act as a group.
	And it's, it's actually something I've been meaning to propose.
	Interestingly, I've wanted to have quite a large forum to do this with, actually.
	And so now it's as good a point as any.
	I really think that we need to find a hashtag that's not Gamergate that we can use in any situation as a bulwark against these people.
	Because the problem I think with GameGate is that it genuinely is about ethics and journalism.
	If you look back to and then I'm just I've got to get this off my chest.
	I can tell you're warming to your theme, so I'm going to let you carry on.
	I'm not rebuking you, I'm not berating you or anything like that, but I'm just read a lot of military in history, you know what I mean?
	And I've read a lot of times where the people have chosen bad strategies.
	And we have an unfailing strategy in the ethics and journalism.
	They can't win on that.
	It's categoric.
	There are mistakes there.
	So it doesn't make any sense for us to deviate from that.
	No matter what the actual agenda we want to have is, in the terms of the Gamergate hashtag, keep with it.
	But I really like the idea of having some kind of hashtag that we can all get behind, like the sad puppies guys, the atheism guys, the gaming guys, the Metalgate guys, all of these people who are having problems with social justice for us in their communities.
	We need to have something on Twitter or on various other platforms that, you know, someone I don't even know can get a bit of feedback from that for me.
	But yeah, someone I don't even know can say something and I can get on it and support them.
	Sorry, I'm just plugging things in.
	I'm trying to work out how I can.
	Oh, God, I'm such a useless homosexual.
	I'm allowed to say that because I'm, I don't know.
	I'm going to have to plug this in again.
	Sorry, Johnny.
	I think there's some...
	Okay, we're good again.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	That's basically my thought.
	It's like, look, we need something that.
	I mean, I've seen people use MediaGate, which is not bad, but we need something.
	And I haven't even presumed to sort of invent anything myself.
	I can't think of anything that sounds good.
	What matters more than having a name like that is just that what Gamergate and assorted movements and allies have turned into, which is enormously valuable and special, is a sort of crack, is a sort of crack team that swings into action every time something happens that requires defensive, effectively defensive free speech.
	It's a remarkable thing to watch, you know, it sort of activate.
	I don't know.
	I sure I'm, you know, I tried as much as is humanly possible to stay a reporter on and a commentator on this movement rather than being part of it beyond what is obviously unavoidable.
	So I won't suggest anything immediately.
	But yeah, no, I mean, I certainly think that what I think is true to say is that Gamergate has emboldened so many people that it has now had an effect way beyond its initial minutes.
	Absolutely.
	It's the sort of thing that really needs to be taken advantage of.
	And I'm kind of talking to the chat and anyone listening, really.
	If you come up with anything that's basically, we've got a few things that this I say new hashtag, but you know, it has to be self-explanatory in just itself.
	When they see it, it has to be obvious what it is.
	It has to be short and piffy.
	It has to be something that isn't, and I hate to use this word, but exclusionary.
	It can't be Dewgate or something.
	You know what I mean?
	And so, right.
	And at least both my suggestions.
	I'm just thinking.
	That's where you thought I was going with Grossman, wasn't it?
	No, it wasn't.
	No, it wasn't.
	I just, it's just occurred to me.
	That's where you thought I was going with Grossman.
	I didn't know that was it.
	Bitch, please.
	I have no idea.
	That's where you thought I was going with that.
	No, I don't mind you.
	I think I am the last unreconstructed Zionist.
	I think I'm the last remaining person in society who believes in the extraordinary supremacy of the state of Israel.
	I'm going to lose all of my fans now from 4chan and 8chan.
	I realize that.
	They said they were going to think.
	They're all going wild now.
	No, no, they said this about circumcision and they're still there.
	They stuck around, so fuck them.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I love you, but you're wrong.
	I think we should.
	So we've got one subject to cover that I think we should move on to.
	And I don't know how I'm going to work this out technologically.
	So you're just going to have to.
	I'd like you to think of me as your slightly batty and hopeless gay uncle.
	You know, when you phone them and they sort of drop the phone down the toilet and they don't know whether it's still working.
	And you know, I'm about to attempt to bring in our special guests because I'd like to talk about.
	So I want to talk to you about The Guardian later, but I want to talk now because I know a lot of people are here for this about the website Reddit.
	And to help me with this discussion, I'm going to attempt to do something dangerous.
	You may get sort of horrible backup echoey nonsense in which tries to do something dangerous.
	To help me with this discussion is somebody that many of you will know.
	His name is Alan Bukhari.
	And he's a writer for Breitbart.
	Let's try this.
	He is my finest journalistic discovery in the last few months, anyway.
	No, I'm kidding.
	He's the guy.
	What did I do?
	Can we hear something?
	No, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	Nobody knows.
	Say something, Sargon.
	Let us make sure that we can hear you.
	I can hear me.
	Yes, there we go.
	Unfortunately, I can hear myself.
	Behind my thumb, you can hear yourself a bit, can you?
	Yeah, can you turn down your holding?
	Hold on.
	Yeah, fine.
	I don't know how to do these things.
	You see, actually, I'll just say I gave you a forewarning, gay uncle.
	You did?
	Right.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	Oh, no, don't help me.
	All right, maybe this is Alan Bukhari.
	Hello, Sargon.
	Hello, shit lords who are watching Sargon.
	How's it going?
	So, I thought that perhaps Alan could help us with a brief explanation of what happened and then talk us through some of the funny and hilarious consequences, and then we can have a chat about it.
	Well, yes, I mean, I think we all know what happened basically.
	Uh, Reddit wants to sanitize and gentrify itself to become more acceptable to advertisers.
	And obviously, social justice warriors hate Reddit.
	They've paid Reddit for a while.
	They think it's actually worse than 4chan because whereas 4chan stayed in the shadows and doesn't really influence things in a visible way.
	If something gets to the top page of Reddit, it becomes a news story automatically.
	So, they were very upset that this influential website had such a huge audience of shitlords and they were producing all the good content.
	So, now they've obviously turned against them.
	And sorry if there's a man in the chat, they're just like, he's so fucking posh.
	I'm actually not.
	I grew up on a council estate in a London.
	You're doing an Alam session, then Alan sounds much posher than me, but it's not so.
	It's true.
	So, what do you make of the Reddit revolt Sargon?
	It looks like social justice attempts to try and infiltrate Reddit.
	Or like, you know, like sort of co-op Reddit.
	Can you tie Val down a bit more or anything like that?
	Because I'm still sitting down again.
	Problems we can't really hear you now.
	Well, you can just speak and you can indicate to us when you're ready.
	Use smoke signals.
	Yeah, so I think it's pretty inevitable when you get someone of Ellen Powell's sort of mindset in charge of a major website like Reddit.
	It was only a matter of time, as far as I'm concerned.
	I don't know if you've read it all that rounds.
	I mean, I'm not entirely sure if corporate Reddit doesn't understand their own audience.
	I'm not sure if they're predicting this or not, but I mean, even if they were planning this for a long time, bringing in someone like Ellen Powell, whose values are so obviously alien to the vast majority of Reddit, is probably a bad move.
	I mean, this is always going to be a controversial thing to do, but to do it with her as CEO just makes it all much worse because she becomes this figure of hate that you could sort of identify and make memes off, you know, Chairman Powell, obviously.
	The interesting thing about Ellen Powell.
	What was that?
	Sorry?
	What was the lawsuit she was involved in recently?
	Oh, well, let me talk to you a little bit about those.
	So, the interesting thing about Ellen Powell is she's not only going to have to snuggle.
	It's going to get very fruity in here.
	Yes, and blood already.
	Look at him.
	He is.
	He is.
	He's gone red.
	It's fine.
	I'm not going to violate Alan Buccari.
	Don't worry.
	The interesting thing about Ellen Powell is that she's shacked up with a black guy who used to be gay until he decided that it might be more advantageous for him to be heterosexual, who has sued his board of where he lives in New York because they wouldn't let him do an extension, citing racial prejudice.
	He's basically somebody who files lawsuits for a living.
	And he seems to have educated his wife in this practice too.
	And now she is filing lawsuits about gender discrimination in order.
	And the amounts that she's asking for seem to tally up with the amounts that her husband's being sued for.
	Yeah, almost exactly.
	I mean, he's being sued for about 140 million, and she was asking for 144 million.
	So just about the same amount.
	Very peculiar things going on.
	Yeah, very, very odd things going on there.
	Sorry, Kevin.
	So I'm going to go I'm going to go back to Alan because I want to ask him a couple of questions.
	I would like to I'd like to you can hold this actually.
	Yeah, that's a good idea.
	The camera well your hand is over the camera.
	There we go see.
	Brits aren't very good at technology.
	Sorry American viewers.
	Sorry, I'm good with technology, thank you.
	Oh yeah, with the exception of all of them that aren't us.
	Just do you.
	Do you.
	Okay.
	Do you.
	Right, right.
	And I would like you to tell us where you think this is going to go next.
	What's going to happen to Reddit?
	Is there going to be an exodus?
	I would like you basically, you have been reporting so brilliantly on a lot of these controversies in the last six months for me at Breitbart and a couple of other places.
	And I just thought you're sort of predictable.
	I'm quite good, aren't I?
	Yes, no, you are.
	You're very good.
	I'd like your predictions about what's going to happen next.
	Well, it depends if a viable competitor emerges.
	I mean, Vote was looking like the main competitor for a while, but they just haven't got their servers online.
	It's very frustrating.
	I mean, one of the things that Frederick Brennan did quite well when he had the Fortex Orders is that yes, there was lag that the server was down occasionally, but he fixed it all really quickly.
	And I don't know, maybe the admin of Voped has personal things.
	He's loomed as a hobby, so maybe he's just not as committed to it as Frederick Brennan was.
	But there's no real Reddit competitor out there right now that could really handle the traffic.
	But from the traffic, it looks like people want to move.
	I think the issue for Reddit is how long is their front page going to be dominated by anti-Ellen Powell, anti-SJW protesters?
	And how long before the moderators start cracking down on it?
	Because at the moment, you've got all sorts of subreddits, are funny pics, and all the meme subreddits are revolting as well.
	They are indeed revolting.
	Are involved in this revolt?
	Could you say that again?
	Yeah, what sort of rough number are we talking about in this report?
	Any idea?
	Any idea?
	For how many people are involved in this revolting report?
	It's hard to tell, but basically, whenever, as soon as Fat People Hate was banned, that was one of the 13th most active subreddits.
	So there were tons of people browsing that subject.
	Most of that traffic was me.
	I've got a special loathing for uptight people who can't deal with fat jokes.
	Well, you know, the worst thing is fine.
	According to Ellen Powell, it's fine to have the most appalling and disgusting racism in Coontown, which I don't advise that anyone visit.
	To have pictures of dead children, to have guides on how to rape women.
	All of these are things that Reddit is perfect.
	What's happened?
	Okay.
	All these things are things that Reddit is perfectly happy to make money off the back of and to share links and host discussion about.
	But oh no, don't make a fat joke.
	It is odd that they picked that one.
	Yeah, sure.
	It is odd.
	And I think it, you know, what's been interesting is to watch, let's say, generously proportioned, gaming-friendly, or generously proportioned tech industry people in general.
	And what they've said about this.
	And I think Notch has spoken up about this.
	I think Boogie did a video about it.
	Boogie has weighted it himself.
	They're both a bit middleweight.
	And they both think that this is ridiculous.
	Well, there's the thing.
	We might not like a lot of what goes on at Reddit, even the Coontown stuff.
	But the point is that Reddit was founded on the principle of free speech.
	That's core to its user's identity.
	And corporate Reddit no longer seems to share the same values as its users.
	So how long did this really go on?
	I think that's true.
	I mean, I told Ellen Powell on Twitter that I consider fat shaming to be a moral imperative.
	And obviously I was joking, but she's just not interested in getting involved in these discussions.
	What else is perplexing to me is some of the choices of the smaller subreddits that went to.
	For example, NeoFag.
	Can you tell us what that was?
	NeoFag was basically mocking the SJWs on obviously, you know, fag, very offensive word in polite society, but on the internet, especially when anonymous communities and 4chan, it's not meant to be derogatory term, just a general term that people use.
	They're not insulting homosexuals in particular.
	They're just using it as a general term of abuse, much like the word idiot or something like that.
	But yeah, they were just obviously mocking NeoGAF, which, as we all know, is eminently mockable.
	They've got even more ridiculous moderators than Reddit.
	And that's mainly what it was there for.
	It certainly wasn't a hate sub or a harassment sub.
	The whole harassment thing is very vaguely defined.
	I mean, some of the SAW subs like shit Reddit says have done things like they've done things like doxing in the past.
	They've outed people.
	They've done things that would be classified as harassment.
	So it's just this vague term they can use to shut down anything they don't like or anything that's inconvenient to them in the press.
	I find the language interesting on the website.
	When you go now to Fat People Hate and it says that this Reddit has been banned in order to keep the community safe.
	Why do they use this word safe?
	Well, it's not really endangering it.
	Well, it's the same as the safe space logic on campuses, isn't it?
	It makes it sound objective.
	And, you know, safety is always taken seriously by all institutions.
	You can't argue against it, can you?
	You know, I don't argue for safe.
	You can't argue with safety.
	Well, at least you couldn't.
	But now people are catching on to the fact that safety has become a very politicized word and it's used as an excuse to do all sorts of shady stuff.
	And that's obviously what's going on here.
	I mean, the real issue is corporate Reddit motivations.
	Why are they doing this?
	And I think there was an anonymous commenter on, I believe, somewhere, possibly Imager, who said, well, this is based on gentrification.
	It's the same thing that happened to music festivals like Latin Bury.
	They started off as very edgy, a bit subversive.
	People thought they were dangerous.
	And now they become just filled with old, middle-class, boring people and their kids.
	And it's a safe environment for people to sponsor and sell things at.
	And I think this is sort of what's happening to Reddit.
	They want more ad revenue.
	I think social media companies in general, Reddit, Twitter, they're suffering from a lot of revenue problems.
	Investors are getting worried, so they need to find new ways of raising money, which obviously for their models involves appearing nicer to advertisers.
	I think it's an excellent summary.
	I think we should move on.
	And sorry to sort of hijack the signpost.
	Not at all.
	I don't really follow Reddit.
	I don't use Reddit all that much.
	So it's nice to have someone informed who can tell me.
	Yeah, no, I thought it was nice to have an explanation, because Alam's very good on these things.
	Now, let's, um, I'm going to pop this back on, if you don't hate me too much, because, just so that I can hear Sargon properly.
	i'm going to pop this back on if you don't hate me too much because just so that i can hear sargon properly um let me just oh god i've lost it Where's the bloody cable?
	I'm literally like everyone's least favourite grandma.
	I'm going to do this for a bit and then we're going to come back again because I want you to help me, Alan.
	This stream, of course, as everybody knows, is the Milo 50K stream, which set up to celebrate the fact that I'm kind of a big deal on social media.
	I'm sorry I'm kidding He has so much of a bigger audience than I do.
	It's just that I enjoy playing.
	I just enjoy being a tosser.
	I can't help it.
	I can't help it.
	It's physical.
	No, I'm kind of a big deal.
	People know me.
	Anyway, so I would like, I think, for us, we've had a lovely conversation so far.
	Before we move on to the Guardian thing, which I'm desperate to talk about, desperate to talk about this.
	Before we move on to that, I think we should throw it open to the chat so to have some questions for the three of us.
	So I was wondering if Alan passed.
	Alan, well, no, well, as profane and disgusting and deplorable and invasive as you like, I'm going to take one ear off and I'm going to ask Alan to have a look through and see if he can help us with.
	There'll be a bit of a delay because everyone here you have to ask them to ask a question, like one minute and then done.
	Yes, no, sure.
	So I'm going to talk for a minute, which the only purpose of which really is to kill time.
	You can clearly say ask me questions in the chat.
	Yes, ask me questions into the chat.
	And I'm going to just sort of speak briefly for a moment, basically saying nothing in order to fill time.
	Grab a cup of tea.
	Oh, how lovely.
	Do you know what?
	I think we should get a cup of tea too.
	And I think it's a perfect opportunity to give everyone a little tour of my flat.
	Let's do that.
	Well, I'll leave you guys.
	I'll have to stay here for the questions.
	What?
	I'll have to stay here for questions.
	Oh, yes, you do.
	Oh, we'll do it later.
	We'll do it later.
	Well, we'll start questions.
	do go and get your tea and we'll be back um well in the meantime you can see my Mike is out there.
	No, no.
	He won't let me try it.
	I tried it.
	I didn't want it.
	Try it, try everything you just wanted to.
	Ooh, something about YouTube Gay Pride.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, that's interesting.
	I can't tell anyone about that, so I don't think it's an it's just lots of compliments.
	Let's just say keep an eye on gay pride this year.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to take you off for a little walk.
	That's just.
	How much do you like to lick buttholes?
	How much do I like to lick butthole?
	I'm not really into that, actually.
	People tend to do that to me.
	I'm not really into it.
	I'm going to take you on a little tour.
	Are you going to give Sargon a pearl necklace?
	Am I going to give Sargon a pearl?
	No, I'm not giving anyone a pearl necklace until I get the pearl necklace I was promised.
	And most of the people on this stream will know what that means.
	So I've got a little...
	No, they're both...
	They're really nice.
	This is a little sort of literary corner of my apartment where there's books.
	And there are books everywhere.
	And this is my dad painted this picture.
	And it's very good.
	It's a beautiful oil thing.
	When my grandmother passed away, this was in her house.
	And it was the only thing I really wanted.
	My dad is that.
	This is my favourite wallpaper in the world, which I love.
	This is your waifu.
	What?
	Your waifu.
	Who is my waifu?
	It's you, isn't it?
	Probably.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Anyway, so this is my little living room.
	Oh, Alan, should we have a fag?
	Yes.
	Should we have a cigarette?
	Let's do that.
	Different fag.
	I don't know where they are, though.
	Oh, they're here.
	They're here.
	I'm going to see if we can make a cup of tea.
	Just going to have a little one, Sargon's dick.
	What?
	How big is Sargon's dick?
	How big is Sargon's dick?
	No, I think we can skip that one.
	I don't know.
	We British people don't all know each other.
	This is my kitchen.
	My little kitchen.
	Now I'm going to give you all a really special treat.
	I'm going to take you into the Anopolis bedroom.
	You're now with me in bed.
	are where a thousand african-american gentlemen have been before this is my bathroom The best thing about my bathroom is I have these funny little this amazing thing down.
	Look, you'll like this.
	This is my shop.
	It's really cool.
	Isn't it funny?
	I'm going to get my sang off.
	It's very cool.
	It's one of those dark places.
	What do you think of UKIP?
	What do I think of UKIP?
	Well, they're generally alright.
	This is the guest bathroom, which is a bit of a mess because I had to dress up for TV in here tonight.
	Should we gash the packs?
	Should we gasp.
	No, I'm not answering that.
	That's disgusting.
	And this, dear viewers, is where the magic happens.
	This is my working desk where the glorious and joyful things that you read happen.
	And where I put house guests that are too drunk or too high or too tired to go home.
	Have you spent the 10,000 yet?
	Have I what?
	Have you spent the 10,000 yet?
	Have I spent?
	No, no, we should talk.
	We should talk about any Sarkeesian's $10,000.
	Because I still haven't spent it.
	Let's go for a cigarette.
	He's an awful.
	They take an awfully long time to make a cup of teas.
	Let's go for a cigarette.
	We can take this out now because he's not here.
	And I promise the things are going to get more interesting when he comes back.
	There we go.
	Right.
	Have you got a cigarette?
	Can I give you one?
	No.
	Oh, there we go.
	Right.
	Do you have a lighter?
	We do have the lighter.
	Oh, you've got the lighter.
	Give me the lighter.
	This is my little balcony.
	So I have a nice little view of the park.
	And there we go.
	All right, keep doing.
	I don't know why that does that.
	There we go.
	So, Alam.
	Oh, thanks.
	What do you think is like the best thing about me?
	Your.
	Your modesty.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	I agree.
	I'm actually a very self-effacing person.
	What lots of self-effaces?
	I only smoke occasionally.
	This whole thing about the.
	Hotel Alam's mother.
	This is Mrs. Buccari.
	Is Mrs. Buccari watching?
	No, well, she must never see this.
	Mrs. Buccari, I pretty much am a bad influence on everyone I know, but I've seen a lot of people.
	This is the second cigarette I've ever smoked.
	There is not.
	Oh, sorry.
	Yes, it is.
	The one earlier was the one I gave you.
	Yes, yes.
	Yes.
	It's a bad influence.
	Yeah.
	Very bad influence.
	All right, I think we should do more questions.
	Should we grab the laptop and do questions on the balcony?
	Indeed.
	There was one.
	Why are you such a faggot?
	Why am I such a faggot?
	Well, I try women.
	I actually sleep with one woman a year just to keep my aura because, you know, I just want to check just to make sure that I don't like it.
	And I don't like it.
	But, you know, there is always a chance.
	Get me some more funny, wonderful questions from the lovely people while we're waiting for this.
	This is the longest brewing cup of tea.
	I mean, it's going to be like primordial ooze by the time he gets out of the kitchen.
	What are you doing?
	You mentioned you sleep with one woman a year.
	What's the type?
	What's my type?
	I like skinny, blonde, posh bitches.
	So basically, I want to fuck me.
	But no, no, I'm kidding.
	But yeah, that's pretty much that.
	Hello again.
	What do you think?
	I can't hear you.
	What do I think the future of feminism?
	Feminism has no future.
	Right, I am back.
	I am back.
	Yes, you are.
	I've just been asked the question: what's the future of feminism?
	I've actually a serious answer to this question, which is that if I think the sort of third-wave feminism has definitely had its day, I think it's inevitably on the decline now.
	What you'll notice is places like Vox and Gorker and BuzzFeed and whatever starting to sharpen up their acts.
	You'll notice that Vox published a piece from a professor who said, I'm a liberal professor and my liberal students terrify me.
	I did from them.
	Sorry?
	I did see that indeed.
	It was a surprise.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think, yes, it is a surprise.
	And what they're basically doing is gearing up for Hillary and sort of clearing the decks, craziest people among them.
	Realising, I think, you know, you look out at the English election, for example, the British election, the left-wing party here was roundly defeated by the public who simply did not buy the absurd bollocks that was being sold to them by the left, you know.
	And they were very solidly defeated.
	Precisely, I think.
	Say again?
	Which party?
	Which party?
	Well, Labour was defeated very heavily.
	Yeah, I mean, it was an awful, terrible apocalyptic result for Labour, really.
	Everything about Labour was on the English.
	Everything about them.
	Everything about Labour.
	Yes, and I think partly the fact that they have, they started to suck up to these, what Americans know as social justice warriors.
	We have a few of them too in England, but the British...
	Really?
	I didn't see anything.
	No, we do the new statesman, the guardian, that kind of thing.
	No, no, no, no, I do.
	I just didn't very much panic.
	I just saw a lot of feeling about nonsense.
	There wasn't all that much to distinguish between them and the yeah, I mean, I think you there's something to be said for the parties kind of congealing, but I do think also that the sort of the social justice tendency is def had definitely infected the upper echelons of the Labour Party.
	For example, you know, the Harriet Harmons of this world and whatnot.
	definitely yeah there was definitely uh a um uh a lot of tolerance for those points of view you know we're going to go back indoors now what's your favorite digimon what What's my favourite Digimon?
	Oh, God, it's a really difficult question.
	So I wrote a very long, very involved article about Pokémon versus Digimon, coming, of course, to the correct conclusion that the Digimon franchise is vastly superior.
	I think it may have to do with the subject of another article.
	No, no, I mean, there's really no question.
	The Condoisseur's choice is definitely Digimon.
	I mean, Pokemon is, you know, Pokemon is like the Nike or the Reebok or whatever.
	You know, the sort of cool choice.
	The new balance is Digimon.
	Ah...
	Edgelands, honestly.
	I've got very mainstream tastes in most things, but I am a snob when it comes to Pokemon and Digimon.
	Well, I can see.
	I can see.
	Fucking it.
	Right, should we go back in?
	Yes.
	You done.
	I've had enough of this because I don't want to die.
	Yeah, let's go back in.
	Do you mind?
	Yes, they are.
	I'm going to plug myself back in.
	Don't worry.
	Sorry to viewers.
	Yes, we want now to talk about Guardian.
	We're going to talk about The Guardian again now.
	All right, yeah.
	Would you like to know?
	Let me just well, tell us what happened first of all.
	Well, I made a video criticising some of the nonsense that they had put a video out on, and I had done it in my pretty standard way, you know, by allowing them to make their point and rebutting the point or agreeing with it if it was a valid deal.
	The video put up for a few hours, I think maybe a day or something, and then suddenly it got DMCA'd.
	It's not going to be on the screen, is it?
	Look, sorry, sorry to interrupt you.
	Someone's crazy.
	What's happening?
	There's a shoe on head.
	Oh, shoe on head.
	Is she here?
	Is it the 4chan meme?
	This is where you got her name from.
	Oh, no, I know that.
	I just wondered if she was here.
	Well, no, this is a shoe.
	These are very expensive English-made shoes.
	They're churches.
	They're beautiful.
	They're lovely shoes, which is why when Alam asked me for my shoe, I got very suspicious and protective and started to edge away from him.
	No, sorry.
	Do please carry on.
	Yeah, so basically, it was just like the day after that it got DMCA'd.
	And, well, I appealed it, as you do.
	And instead of the, they apparently rejected the appeal, but it relieved the block on the video, which means effectively they had monetized the video and were getting the money, any money earned from it.
	And so I re-appealed it and, you know, I pushed the issue.
	I cited all of the acts and stuff that allowed me to do it.
	I think it was Alam who actually sent me the information I used for that.
	Thanks a lot, man.
	And he says, thank you for sending the information for quite a harsh message.
	Slowmow Goldsteinberg asks, what is anime and why is it degenerate trash?
	What is anime and why is it degenerate trash?
	I don't think I'm qualified to answer this question.
	I know nothing about anime.
	I think we'll stick on this subject for now.
	We'll come back to the crazy questions in a second.
	Yeah, I don't know anything about anime either.
	But yeah, so for girls, isn't it?
	It's sort of women and homosexuals.
	I think it's for people like Tentacle Porn.
	Yeah, I've never seen tentacle porn.
	Is it real?
	Is tentacle porn actually a thing?
	Oh, yeah.
	But I keep hearing about it.
	You see, I'm new to some of these things.
	You know, I've only been around for nine months, and I have done my best, you know, to ingratiate myself in the language of the internet.
	But there are some things that remain a mystery to me.
	Tentacle porn is one of them.
	What are other things a mystery to me?
	what else do I know about?
	I don't really know about I don't know about anime What are mysteries to me?
	Aside from the obvious.
	So aside from.
	Kay Burley is your wife.
	I love Kay Burley.
	I don't know whether any of you saw this.
	The presenter of the Sky segment.
	Do you remember the Sky thing with Emily Grossman?
	Doctor Emily Grossman.
	Doctor.
	Do you know what?
	I shouldn't.
	I don't give a doctorate to anyone these days.
	I said, no, you're so mean.
	She's such a misogynist.
	I'm sure she...
	But I was really not impressed with her.
	I really wasn't.
	I wrote an article about a Guardian journalist called Alex Kratosky once, and I on purpose called her Ms. Kratoski because I knew she had a doctorate in something stupid.
	And she walked up to me at an awards show dinner and said to me, Yeah, I thought it was kind of shitty of you to keep referring to me as Ms. Kratoski.
	I'm Dr. Kratoski.
	And I was like, What's your doctorate in?
	She's like, The psychology of online communities.
	No disrespect to anyone who finds the psychology of online communities interesting, because I do too.
	But to sort of pull rank on someone because you've got a PhD and then concede that your PhD is in the psychology of online communities from the University of Buttfuck, nowhere's though.
	The university that offers that as a doctorate is Kate Smirthwaite's underarm hair a mystery to you, Mama.
	Is Kate Smirthwaite's underarm hair a mystery?
	Yes, yes, this is one of the things on the internet I don't understand.
	Kate Smirthwaite, the infamous darling woman, if only I'd looked her up properly on the internet beforehand, I would have found that picture of her doing this with underarm hair.
	is one of those feminists and I would have said to her Did you ever address the fact that feminists had protested her comedy show based on the fact that she wasn't the wrong sort of feminist?
	Yeah, exactly.
	I would have brought that up.
	She's the wrong.
	I don't think there was a scope for it in the debate then and there, but I found it interesting that she even she has been a victim of the sort of crazy excesses of feminism.
	Let's be fair.
	Yeah, the hate mob, because yeah, the hate mob.
	Because she's the wrong sort of feminist.
	It's a remarkable thing.
	I was quite happy about that.
	There is a diversity lack of tolerance, isn't there?
	From these purveyors of tolerance.
	Yes, indeed.
	It's a bit like diversity, isn't it?
	When people say they want to see diversity, what they really mean is Muslims.
	There's something for it.
	What's that?
	I think scraggly neckbears are the MRA equivalent of feminist underarm hair.
	Are you suggesting that?
	That's a really difficult.
	What?
	Are you suggesting that Ellen Powell got to where she is in any other capacity other than diversity?
	Diversity could beat people other than Muslims.
	She's not there because she's the best person for this job, is she?
	Let's be honest.
	You can hear this.
	I think it's an appalling suggestion that you're making that Ellen Powell has somehow been over-promoted solely by virtue of being a woman.
	What possible evidence you can have for this, I don't know.
	I can say it's by being woman, I said it was by being Asian.
	Well, I think that Ellen Powell has been incredibly brave smashing through the bamboo ceiling.
	Oh, that's got to be a hashtag.
	Hashtag bamboo ceiling.
	And I think that any failures in law courts, any failures in law courts are grotesque miscarriages of justice, denying the obvious truth that Ellen Power is a hero of feminism.
	And regardless of the facts, what's this?
	God bless you, Alan.
	Wow, that's interesting.
	News, if you're watching this stream, is that Dick Castolo has stepped down as CEO of Twitter.
	And he's about to be replaced by Jack Dorsey.
	This is not good news for lovers of free speech.
	Well, who's hell?
	I'm not familiar with anything.
	So Jack Dorsey is one of the original founders of Twitter and now one of the managerial team and the founder of Square, the payment startup.
	Jack Dorsey was, for example, somebody who marched at Ferguson.
	I think there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, of course, but part of the sort of liberal renter mob in Ferguson.
	He's bankrolled by Soros as well.
	I don't think he needs to be at least quite wealthy.
	I mean, the worry about this is that technology entrepreneurs who very often buy into a lot of the crazy social justice warrior politics and philosophies are starting to get an appetite for media companies.
	They're starting to put the feelers out to buy newspapers, TV stations, that sort of thing.
	Google is thinking for a while about buying a figure.
	Google's been thinking of buying a media property for a long time.
	It's desperate to get into content.
	The Amazon CEO, Jeff Bezos, of course, now owns the Washington Post.
	Lots of these companies are quite desperate to get into content.
	And of course, when they do that, you're going to see a whole new generation of far worse media startups, bankrolled by enormously wealthy people who make Vox look like the Daily Stormer.
	You're going to get, if you think Gorka and BuzzFeed are bad, just you wait until you see the media company that Jack Dorsey starts.
	I thought that Jack Dorsey was responsible for the Chuck C. Johnson thing.
	Do those activists I haven't heard that, but it would not surprise me if Jack Dorsey had a hand in getting Chuck Johnson booted off Twitter.
	And whatever you think of him, it was obviously a terrible decision, which even I think some liberal journalists have conceded.
	But yeah, so you heard it here first, or not if you're watching Twitter.
	But yeah, so the new CEO, or at least the interim CEO of Twitter, is going to be Jack Dorsey.
	Actually, there's good stuff about Jack Dorsey online.
	And, you know, God love him, Gorka, found and published some of his early literary works.
	And there's some lovely, there's lovely pictures of him, I think, with blue hair.
	I swear I'm not making this up.
	I'm sure there are pictures of him.
	Where there's smoke, there's fire, as Alan correctly points out.
	I think that there are pictures of Jack Dorsey with blue hair.
	So I encourage you to go out and seek them out.
	Where there's blue hair, there's a sheet.
	Where there's blue hair, there's a she-twink.
	There's a sheetwink expecting favours and, you know, I can't finish Airport's Law.
	It's too crude even for me, but I'm sure you'll know it backwards.
	I just can't remember the fucking wording.
	It's always better than you remember it.
	You can try to reconstruct the law, but it's never as good as the wording that Airport put on it originally.
	Rainbow-haired she-twink will let him come in her.
	It's the only bit I can remember.
	And there's an everyday puny neckbeard gets the impression that a rainbow-haired she-twink will let him come in her if only if he actually gamer game.
	Something like that.
	I mean, probably the best tweet ever sent.
	What I love about it is the inherent optimism.
	It encompasses everything.
	Good luck, man.
	Good luck, you know.
	I mean, good on you for trying.
	Someone's saying, talk about Randy Harper.
	Someone's saying, talk about Randy Harper.
	And Anne Rice.
	If you can find a fold.
	So I was also talking, I was talking with Stephen Crowder about What's it called?
	Hogging.
	Hogging.
	I was talking to Stephen Crowder about hogging.
	When you go into a bar and the object is to take the fattest person home that you can possibly find.
	It's sort of like, you know, if you can sort of pull apart the flesh and somehow find an orifice.
	I had not heard that.
	No, it's called hogging in a portion for a long time.
	And on the subject of Randy Harper, we do have some stuff to talk about because I'm going to give you some information about that later.
	But I'd like for us to continue about the Guardian stuff.
	Oh, if we can.
	So you've disputed it and it's gone back online.
	What isn't the wonderful thing about your video?
	Doesn't it have something like four or five times as many views as the original?
	Oh, they don't miss.
	Many more now?
	They don't miss their view count, as far as I'm aware.
	Pathetic.
	I'm aware that my views are probably a lot higher than theirs.
	It's difficult to believe, isn't it?
	You know, sort of a minority whinging into a camera for three minutes might not set the internet alight.
	It's incredible, isn't it?
	I mean, it's not the most riveting thing people have ever seen.
	No.
	But no, basically, I wrote quite a strongly worded counter appeal after they were like, no, no, no, we have decided that we don't think that your appeal is valid.
	And I know, it's an insane system.
	I can't believe the accuser gets to be the arbitrator.
	But basically, I think quite a strongly worded one with a lot of links from Alan saying, look, I know I'm in the right here.
	And so I'll just take legal action.
	And I spoke to a few people who were like, well, actually, I've represented people in high court and stuff.
	So, you know, if you would like help, you are in the right and I can help you.
	And today I received an email from the Guardian saying, well, they tried to phrase it in a kind of finger-wagging way.
	So like, well, next time you should ask us.
	And it's like, well, you know, but we have released your video, though, you know, because our lawyers probably advise us.
	They didn't say that.
	Probably because their lawyers said you haven't got a fucking leg to stand on, mate.
	Exactly.
	This is like, you know, textbook fucking fair use.
	So, you know, and you can, you know, you can play high and mighty if you want, but I know that I'm all right with it.
	But yeah, so basically, and I just said many thanks.
	I should have been like sick tomorrow already, shouldn't I?
	Yeah, no, and that's that's the end of it.
	So now it's back to me.
	So we're happy to hear that.
	And thank you to Alan for your Sterling report.
	Well, so you kicked that off.
	And then we had a report, I think, written actually by somebody else by Oliver Lane at Breitbart London.
	Yeah, for seeing.
	Thank you very much, Oliver.
	We do it for free.
	You get to read it free.
	All you've got to do, sorry to the bosses if they're watching this, is wade through fucking terrible ads.
	You know what I hate?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry if anyone's watching this.
	I'm probably going to get fired.
	I'm not getting fired, but I'm going to get telling off.
	But the thing I hate, and this is not just about Breitbart, because it's actually quite common all over the internet now.
	I mean, the sort of intrusive ads.
	I didn't mind pop-ups and pop-unders because they're quite easy to block.
	But those ads that shove the content over a bit.
	You know, those ones that you have to close and it goes back in place again.
	There's something so objectionable about it.
	And the videos are stuck playing.
	Oh, God, the overlay videos that you can't click out of.
	And I want to kill myself.
	I just want to die.
	That's awful.
	It was a bit of a storm in the teacup, really.
	If the Guardian, I can't imagine they made much more than like 20 bucks on it on that video at most.
	And if they'd, I think, really, all they've done is sort of got another Google result that makes them look bad.
	I have something to show our viewers.
	If you could hold this for me, Alan.
	This is indeed, as I promised to you.
	You see, one thing that you will learn about me, you know, I might be a cunt, but I'm your cunt.
	And I'm also very rarely wrong.
	And this is a photo of Jack Dorsey with blue hair.
	He's a good-looking chap.
	There is Lisa.
	I would have tapped that in my Caucasian phase.
	But he does indeed have the social justice hair.
	No word yet on whether Jack Dorsey has the full San Francisco, whether the carpets match the drapes.
	We've no idea if he took that extra step that Emma Solkovitz, the infamous mattress girl, declined to do in her disgusting sordid sex tape.
	Let's talk about her sex tape.
	So I penned a few words on this, as you may have seen.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, I was just going to.
	So I was just waiting for some compliments.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	Sorry.
	It was.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I know what my duty is.
	No, no, I didn't.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no, I'm joking.
	If there's anything that makes me think that someone wasn't really raped, it's them reenacting their rape, including penetration, and filming it and putting it out to the world.
	From four angles.
	From four angles.
	No, no.
	I mean, she wasn't even fucked from four angles.
	No, you know, it just goes to show the narcissism over sex kind of priorities in this video.
	She wasn't even fucked from four angles, but she had CCTV cameras on her.
	Every revolting, quivering crevice of her poorly sculpted frame.
	Yeah, and it did look like the least satisfying blowjob I've ever seen.
	Would you rub a hunk of shit in a dyke's armpit hair, then let it crust before braiding it and inserting it into your.
	Okay, I'm so glad that comment just disappeared because there was an even worse word coming up, which we're not going to answer.
	The answer is: it depends how much they were off and whether I had to do it on film.
	If I have to do it on film, the answer is probably yes.
	I wrote about this.
	I'm desperate to have a sex tape.
	You know, I'm desperate for somebody to leak a sex tape.
	I feel like I'm at the point in my career where I'm doing super well.
	Right.
	Like, don't get me wrong.
	I'm doing super well.
	Like, I'm really happy.
	But there's just.
	All right, Lenny.
	Calm down.
	I'm like, I'm kind of, when you think about it, I'm kind of like a megaphone.
	No, I.
	I actually, I actually, somebody very kindly called me the Kanye West of journalists.
	Actually, it was me.
	And I think they were talking.
	What is it today?
	You see, I forget, I forget when I start telling a story that it wasn't just me.
	You know, when you said when you, you've probably found yourself in this position when you sort of like, I think my favourite tweet of mine was, and then you sort of catch yourself.
	You know, I quite often don't catch myself.
	I'll get to the end of the sentence before I realize what I've said.
	I think I was talking about egotism rather than talent, but no, no, no, no, no.
	This is what rollback Lily Alexander.
	But what was I talking about?
	Oh, Emma, so I have a lot of sex tapes.
	Sex tapes.
	Yes, I'm desperate to have a sex tape release because I kind of feel like I've done super well and I'm really happy and like loads of people like, you know, really appreciate some of the stuff.
	I work very hard and I'm just like super grateful and humbled.
	Love it.
	God.
	Okay, there's a new hashtag to the chat: hashtag humbled, hashtag grateful, hashtag so blessed, hashtag love my friends, hashtag startup life.
	I kind of feel like a sex tape now is just the way to sort of move my push my career up into the end of the stratosphere, into the stratosphere, up to the next level.
	I kind of feel like that's where I should be.
	And that's, anyway, so if anybody is out there watching and is of the correct skin colour and owns a GoPro, because I don't, then get in touch as dark as possible.
	Oh, I own a GoPro.
	He says, I own a GoPro.
	There you go.
	Well, maybe you could film it.
	Like no fancy spot.
	Oh okay hey man, you don't know.
	I mean, are you up for that?
	Are you into?
	Okay, we're getting into the good conversation.
	Hang on a second, hang on a second.
	I can, I can.
	There, we go, look right, carry on.
	Uh no no no I I I, even I.
	I missus would definitely my ass if I were to cheat on her with a man.
	She'd probably take it short.
	You could film it, right?
	Yeah, I think that'd probably be worse.
	Could you maybe touch her while it's happening?
	Would she be up for that?
	She was.
	I think she'd probably kill us both really yeah, do you still have sex with your wife?
	Uh yes, you know how often a week like, are you sort of above average but average, or you sort of slid into sort of the once a month phase?
	You need?
	You need to sort of spice things up with uh, with a bad practice.
	The problem is we've got like a three month old baby, so a lot of the time it's, you know, waking up in the middle of the night and being tired.
	But you okay, I was gonna say something appropriate.
	Okay.
	Um well, it's good to know.
	I'm glad that thing, everything's still working.
	Um, that's happy.
	We talk about Alm's sex life, what?
	Um yeah no, how's Alan?
	How's your?
	How's your love life at the moment?
	Uh moribund, i'd say moribund.
	Isn't he so much posher than me?
	He's so much posher i'm married to political Commentary at least.
	Oh god, isn't I love?
	And his sex life is moribund.
	I mean, isn't it?
	I know, I know, merely.
	I mean you should be, you should be getting slut by osmosis, you know, you should just be picking it up, just as if you know that sort of it's in a cloud around me alongside the cigarette smoke and the booze.
	Someone, someone in the chat, says, uh, what do you Missus, think of Gamergate?
	And um she, she loves it.
	Incidentally, she hates feminism, she hates social justice warriors, she thinks they're cocks, so she likes.
	And she, she's got friends on facebook who she's known for years and they posted something about Zoe Quinn and Gamergate and how awful it was.
	And she was saying she came to me the other day.
	She was like I really had to restrain myself from uh saying that who you were, because obviously they, of course.
	So they don't know your, your real name, and they don't.
	Yeah I, you know, i'm a bit of a well known amongst the sort of social justice warriors as as being someone not very nice to them and bane of their existence, pretty much yeah and uh.
	But some one of them figured out who I was obviously, and figured out who she was by obviously, you know, doing a bit of facebook stalking, and sent her a message saying, um, i'll get the message.
	In fact, just because people, you guys I, I couldn't believe that just the balls to do this.
	It's just incredible, as if, as if she doesn't know what my career is right, someone from called, not a sock account says, hi, i'm messaging you because i'm a bit concerned about you.
	I want to know if you don't approve of the stuff that Sagon does on youtube.
	He goes by the username Sagon The Cat and he's made a number of videos I think are pretty troubling.
	Most of his videos consist of him attacking feminists.
	Oh, that's, that's not troubling, is it but?
	Um, but you know that's not troubling.
	Yeah exactly, while I haven't watched most of them, he said a couple of things that are concerning where I was basically, Um, teasing slappers and fan chicks.
	Is that the most concerning thing?
	Because I would have thought the most concerning thing is you trying to split up my family by going yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, there is that view.
	Yeah, oh, yeah, that's that's just me.
	I mean, we've only got a young son who just moved into a house together, three-month-old baby, but because your husband doesn't like feminists, you should try and break that break-up merchant.
	This is the sort of extraordinary sociopathy you can expect from the social justice tendency.
	It's an extraordinary thing.
	The sort of thing I've been planning to put into a video because it is, I mean, it is just incredible, incredibly low.
	It's one of Bob Chipman's no-bad tactics, bad targets.
	You know, they didn't know that.
	Yeah, well, this is the sleaziness thing.
	This is like this doctor, Emily Grossman, who, you know, when I was debating her, I thought, you know, she's one of the most elegant and erudite, well-spoken, respectable people I've been put up against.
	In fact, I'm constantly begging producers to put me up against people who can actually debate.
	I sort of feel like I'm always put up against idiots and I end up feeling like a bully.
	I mean, I don't, but if I were someone else, I might start to feel like a bully.
	Yeah, no, I mean, that awful silly woman who I was on Sky with about chess, you know, who said that any suggestion that there may be differences in male and female brains that might have an effect on somebody's ability to play chess is sort of sexist 1960s thinking.
	No, it isn't, honey.
	It's called science.
	You know, and you may not like the conclusions that this science comes to, but you have to engage with those conclusions, even if only to explain why you think they're not the most important factor.
	And it's an extraordinary thing.
	And you saw this sort of weird, you know, sociopathy is one thing, but the sleazy tactics that you see after the event, the way that this article that I wrote about how they go online and they claim misogyny and abuse and harassment, and they're being made to feel unsafe.
	And they're sort of, oh, I had no idea how bad everyday sexism was.
	Poor the other ones we are.
	You're not the victim here.
	You're not the victim here.
	I say we all have a bit of a whip around.
	Get her a nice little shirt that says victim on it.
	And, you know, please, and on the front, it says victim.
	On the back, it says, please be gentle with me, or something like that.
	You know, yeah, kid gloves, baby steps.
	Yeah, break it to me gently.
	We could get it on underwear.
	Exactly.
	Give it to her with a bunch of puppies or something.
	You know, it'll be a nice safe space now.
	Poor pumpkin, you know, poor puppet.
	Someone keeps asking, what do you think of the UKIP being banned from Pride?
	What do I think of UKIP being banned from Pride?
	So to explain those extraordinary and bizarre abbreviations for anyone who lives in the real world, UKIP is a British political party which is, I suppose, but don't read too much into this, the British Equipment of the Tea Party.
	They are sort of breakaway right-wing organisation for, in my experience, of perfectly nice people who's sort of broken off from the main, for us it's the Tories, the Conservatives, the Americans, it's Republicans, and cause all sorts of problems on the right by splintering the vote and infighting all that kind of stuff.
	By and large, not bad people, with a few exceptions, they're all right.
	And Pride, of course, is referring to gay pride, which is one of those things that strikes terror into my heart every time I hear about it because I'm always panicking that somebody might expect me to show up or expect me to say something nice about it.
	Now, UKIP, by virtue, of course, of simply being right-wing, is anathema to the gay establishment, which exists not really to, of course, it exists not really to further the interests of gay people, but instead merely to repeat left-wing dogmas and to get Labour re-elected.
	Good job, guys.
	What they've done, unfortunately, is completely neglect, systematically neglect, actually, and indeed ridicule and persecute half of their supposed special interest group.
	The gay establishment, gay support networks.
	And we saw this if you're a gamer and you're watching with GamerX, which you may remember.
	Alam and I together wrote about that we wrote about.
	It's fine to be gay provided you have the right politics.
	And if you don't have the right politics, as I suggested earlier, joking, but not really, it's worse for you to be a gay conservative than it is to be gay.
	It's worse, in fact, just to be a conservative than to be gay.
	Well, political intolerance is just far more common than the other forms of intolerance we used to know about, like homophobia and racism and so on.
	Well, it's quite shocking, really, isn't it?
	I mean, they're not even shy about it.
	He's right-wing.
	And then that, I mean, they treat that as if he's a paedophile or something.
	And that could have an automatic bad reaction to that.
	It's just the only way I could hear you talk.
	You can hear I look very unattractive with this flipped outline.
	This is the only way that you can hear the conversation.
	The technology still works and the stream is still up.
	Fuck you all.
	No, 1,000, sorry.
	No, so I've gone through this my whole life.
	I've been sort of systematically purged from the gay establishment for having heretical political opinions.
	I mean, quite what, you know, my sexual proclivities and what, you know, who I allow to do what to me in the bedroom, what bearing that has on my opinion on tax policy or immigration, I've never been quite sure.
	But for having the wrong political opinions, the UKIP, this party, has been banned from gay pride.
	Now, I don't want to give too much away, but I do have an idea as to how this situation could be very satisfactorily addressed.
	And I'm going to appeal to all of you at some indeterminate point in the future to help me out with that.
	Because I do have a fun idea brewing which will expose the gay establishment for the intolerant humilium.
	They've been plotting today.
	Bastards that they are.
	Yes, we have been plotting today.
	So I have something.
	I've got a conspiracy.
	Listen to this.
	No, no.
	I tell you what, not joking, right?
	As for the vast right-wing conspiracy.
	It's a very vast conspiracy.
	It's vast in the sense that there's two of us.
	People talk about the vast right-wing conspiracy.
	It's not much of a bloody conspiracy.
	They can't field a single plausible presidential candidate.
	I mean, for all this talk of, all this talk of the evil Koch brothers pouring millions in, it's Hillary that's got a billion to spend.
	Sorry.
	She's taking it and it pisses me off.
	I already know she's going to have it, man.
	Yeah.
	They're going to present someone incompetent.
	It's going to be labeled.
	But they're a mess.
	They're a total mess.
	For a vast right-wing conspiracy, they're pretty bloody incompetent.
	But I have a small right-wing conspiracy brewing around gay pride.
	And that's as much as I can tell you without getting my co-conspirators into trouble.
	And without letting too much on, but you will enjoy the spectacle, I think.
	I have what is my first ever real-world stunt.
	Actually, no, my second real-world stunt.
	My first real-world stunt.
	When Michael Jackson died, somebody said to me, we should do like a Flash moonwalk mob.
	And because I was younger and because I thought, okay, I'll get me some attention, I thought I'd do it.
	And we ended up with like 3,000 people in Liverpool Street in London.
	And about a couple of hours later, all sort of dancing to Billie Jean on these speakers that somebody had donated that were plugged into a power socket in a tanning salon.
	And somehow I managed to pull it off.
	It's really a Wikipedia photography.
	Yes, yes, it is my Wikipedia photograph.
	Yes, it was much thinner, and that was my first, my first real, I'm still fine.
	It was my first real act of real-life activism.
	And so I have a second plan in motion, which I think that many of you will appreciate and enjoy.
	That's all we will talk about.
	It's gone again.
	Want to make more teas.
	Oh, right.
	We're going to have to entertain people again.
	Look, let's do this again.
	Yes.
	Well, you were mentioning before how there are bits of internet culture you're not that familiar with.
	Yes.
	Someone was talking about bronies in the chat earlier.
	Do you know about bronies by there?
	We've got to have a talk about bronies.
	Every time I mean about them on Twitter, somebody will show up and say, hey, dude, that's not cool.
	Like, I'm a brony.
	And it's always somebody.
	Oh, he's back.
	He's back.
	You've joined us at just the right moment because we're about.
	Hold that thought.
	Sorry, I'm just trying to get a bit of a light.
	I don't know if it's how dark it's dark.
	No, it's fine.
	I've got floodlights on me.
	I can't actually work out.
	No, I'm fine.
	I've got lighting, darling.
	Let me see how long it can go before you get your silly echo thing.
	What were we talking about?
	Bronies.
	Bronies.
	You've come back just in time for us to talk about bronies, which I'll be happy to hear.
	Now, I have mixed feelings about bronies because the people who have got in touch with me who claim to be bronies have invariably been lovely people.
	But I sort of, when I see a man who identifies as a brony, all I can think of is Ponce.
	and pons is a british slang for pedo um and it sort of strikes me as a nonce That's what I meant.
	Sorry.
	No, I'm such a bad gay, I don't even know what we...
	A Ponce is British slander for a puff.
	I don't know.
	Sorry, you're right.
	You see, I'm such a bad homosexual.
	I don't even know the bad words for gay.
	I don't even know the bad words for gay.
	That's embarrassing.
	You know, the worst thing that ever happened.
	The worst thing that possibly ever happened in my life is when I did the Jazz Hands video and I fucked up and I said mean girls and it was bring it on.
	Do you remember that?
	You know, when I did the demonstration of the jazz hands alternatives, and I said, you may know this from teen classic mean girls, and it's not mean girls, it's bringing it on.
	You're a terrible gay person.
	I am the worst failure as a homosexual of anybody I've ever met.
	I am a terrible failure as a gay.
	See, I'm thinking that's a social construct.
	How many dips he takes?
	Well, in that case, pretty fucking gay.
	No, I'm of the.
	See, I'm being won around by friends who say that we should be, and I'm not going to get into transgender conversation, but I like the idea.
	Just, you know, we've touched on this in our last stream.
	I like the idea that the gender essentialism, the biological determinism that comes with the transgender patients, is that what it basically says is that there is such a thing as a male brain and a female brain.
	This is something the left has been denying for decades.
	It says that all gender is socially constructed, which is why you shouldn't criticize women who want to wear dungarees and cut their hair and men who want to behave effeminately.
	All of that's just prejudice.
	And in any case, gender is all socially constructed.
	And this is where all of the gender-neutral kids' clothing comes from.
	Now, what's fascinating about this is that you cannot simultaneously believe that all gender is socially constructed and also believe that people can be born with the wrong brain.
	But men born with a female brain or women born with a male brain.
	These two things are not compatible.
	You have to pick one.
	So if it's true that transgenderism isn't the kind of disorder that I have written that I thought it might be, and is in fact simply that people are born with the wrong wiring, it sort of blows apart 30 years of nonsense from social justice warriors.
	And it suggests that in fact that there may be not just innate aptitudes and disadvantages to male and female brains, but that there might also be some genetic basis for certain sorts of behaviors, which means that women might indeed be genetically predisposed toward being better communicators.
	Women might be better at empathizing than systematizing.
	All this stuff that the left has said for years is simply a product of social conditioning, might in fact have a basis in brain science, which is what I've always argued.
	So, I mean, I don't want to be too opportunistic about it, but I'm quite keen on reimagining my views on transgenderism.
	But for that reason, I'm only for anything else.
	Now, my attention is being drawn to this famous cartoon, which I love.
	The guy who says, Yes, one button says people can be born the wrong gender, and the other button says gender is a social construct.
	And this poor guy mopping his brow, as well he might.
	Which one do you because, of course, you can't press both.
	Anyway, that all is very interesting, and I've once again lost my throat because I've had a very long day.
	What were we talking about?
	Bronies.
	Bronies.
	I don't believe that bronies are a social construct.
	I think you're born a brony.
	I think you're born a brony.
	But I think with lots of therapy and drugs, you can learn to live with it.
	It's a bit like multiple sclerosis or spina bifida.
	You know, there's nothing you can do about it.
	But if you treat it with the right drugs and have plenty of therapy, you can probably have a perfectly happy life.
	Can I put the yes?
	Yeah, bronies.
	I am told bronies because they're well liked.
	There we go.
	Yeah, they don't do anyone any harm.
	They just kind of want to be left alone to enjoy My Little Pony.
	And as bizarre as I find that, I would feel awful at taking that away from them.
	No, no, no.
	Look, they're not doing any harm to anyone.
	Let them have a lot of fun.
	And indeed, neither My Little Pony nor Barbie, the Magic of Pegasus, shows up on the special branch list of suspect DVDs.
	If you're an Angel or a Janeway fan, you know, kiddies beware.
	But there is, to my knowledge, so far as I have been able to determine, and I take a very keen interest in these things, no correlation whatsoever, despite my disgusting prejudice, between people who are fans of My Little Pony and vicious child molesters.
	No evidence whatsoever.
	So go out into the world with your head held high.
	Yeah, I saw you're a brony and nobody can tell you what to do.
	I saw some kids' video of him doing a presentation about it at school, and it was ballsy, you know, in front of your entire class saying, you know what?
	Friendship is magic, bitch.
	And it's just like, you know what?
	Friendship isn't magic.
	Friendship is awful.
	People demanding things of you.
	They want your time.
	You have to spend money on them.
	You have to show up and hang out and pretend that you like them.
	What do you show me now?
	You've got to choose your favourite pony.
	I've got to choose my favourite brony.
	Oh, wait, pony.
	Sorry, sorry.
	No, my favourite brony, I don't know yet because I don't know any, but feel free to get in touch.
	I'd love to hear from it.
	Right.
	I'm now.
	I'm going to now live on air become a brony by picking my favourite My Little Pony.
	Now, Twilight Spark, I'm going to talk you through the various options and I'm going to let you know what my decision was.
	Okay.
	Twilight Sparkle is a ferocious little pony with beautiful pink and purple.
	Let's just have a look at Twilight Sparkle.
	I don't know if you think about these.
	No, so I won't actually talk you through all of them.
	What I can tell you immediately is that my favourite pony is Pinkie Pie.
	Could you zoom in on Pinkie Pie?
	Do you know how to do that?
	Yeah, I think if you hold down control and do some control and then scroll.
	No, let me do it.
	Hold this.
	Can't get the staff, you see.
	I'm a bit reluctant to Google bronies just because, you know, Google's smart fucking...
	Because you'll get kiddie porn.
	No, you won't.
	No, I'll just get fucking my little...
	I'm actually...
	No, look, this... This... It...
	Oh, Apple Dazzle's nice too, though.
	Oh, no, hang on.
	No, I need to, I need to.
	No, I need to.
	I know, I need to be more serious about this.
	Look, look, okay, so look, I've got a short list.
	Rainbow Dash is nice.
	Look, look at Rainbow Dash.
	Can you make sure?
	Where is it?
	Well, can you make sure?
	Look, no, no, you have to point it there so they can see Rainbow Dash.
	That's Rainbow Dash.
	Now, Rainbow Dash has got a little bit of attitude.
	It's got quite a cool red quiff, but I'm worried that the red quiff might be indicative of social justice sympathies.
	So we're going to move, look at the pinky pie.
	It looks like the sort of, go on.
	I've just Googled this and there's a picture of Pinkie Pie, well, giving the Hitler salute.
	Oh, God, really?
	I'm rather liking Pinkie Pie suddenly.
	I'd hate for us to live stream that photo.
	I hope that we don't discover it.
	Are you familiar with clopping, Mila?
	No, I don't know what clopping is.
	Klopping is the word for.
	Oh, look, look at this pinky.
	Look at this.
	This is like Pinkie Macht Fry.
	Oh, gosh.
	Look at this.
	It's SS Pinkie Pie.
	Pinkie Pie seems to have a bit of a Nazi fetish going on.
	Well, you know, I think that being the case, that I may have to reconsider my choice.
	I cannot be associated with National Socialists.
	Where did we...
	We've lost it.
	We've lost the fucking.
	Oh, no, here they are.
	I am intoxicated, entranced, and bewitched by the mere name, Apple Dazzle.
	Shall we search for Apple Dazzle and see if there are any...
	I think you might quite like Apple Jack, because she's the Texan one.
	Oh, really?
	Where's Applejack?
	Oh, she's, you know what?
	Applejack is the My Little Pony that would be in pageants.
	She's the little Miss Sunshine of My Little Pony, isn't she?
	That's what she is.
	Okay, I think we've found it.
	I think it's Applejack.
	I'm going to do a quick Google search to make sure she's not, I don't know, a white supremacist or something.
	In the meantime, the more I look at this My Little Pony shit, the more I'm starting to dislike bronies.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm really into it now.
	So you need to park your brony shaming and get on board.
	Oh, look, look, look.
	She's got a fucking M4.
	She's got an M4.
	That's an M4.
	She's brilliant.
	Okay, fine.
	Applejack, we have decided.
	Well, congratulations to everybody and you're welcome.
	I'm going to tweet out my My Little Bony because I've just found it.
	What is your My Little Pony?
	Tell us.
	I'm just going to tweet it before I tell everyone because you really have to see the picture.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, God.
	You're going to get me in so much trouble.
	How do I find?
	Oh, there we go.
	I'm watching like a hawk so that I can immediately cancel off this.
	Which one is it?
	That's in the look.
	Macintosh and it looks like it's about to fucking cry All is forgiven Friendship is magic.
	Big Macintosh.
	How did I miss Big Macintosh?
	I take everything back, Brony's.
	And he looks like such a cunt.
	Look at him.
	He's an actor.
	No, no, look.
	We're going to zoom in on this.
	We're going to zoom.
	Look, look.
	He's got a very sort of retarded mood if he's super shit.
	Look, Big Macintosh is a sort of Down syndrome, weepy, like, poison of like the red-headed stepchild of My Little Pony.
	Look at the bastard.
	Big Macintosh.
	Well, the only thing in feminist frequency with hips that big is an ego Sarkeesian.
	But otherwise, otherwise, no, she dresses very well.
	She covers it up brilliantly.
	But, you know, she's Armenian, isn't she?
	Isn't she Armenian?
	Isn't she like me?
	She's like me and Kim Kardashian.
	She's Armenian, you see.
	So, you know, just try to, you have to hold down control and just two finger up and down.
	It's not fucking rocket science.
	Oh my God.
	Michael God.
	Mike, there you go.
	Anyway, sorry.
	So we've decided that Big Macintosh is definitely the best.
	You know, I'm going to say, like, my first Wagner opera was Tannhuizer.
	And as much as I now love Tristan and Nizolder and Parcelfowl, I have a special place in my heart for Tannhuizer because it was the first opera I ever went to and the first classical music I ever bought on CD.
	I'm going to preserve a place in my heart for Applejack.
	But I am, however, going to concede that Big Macintosh is at least the most exploitable pony.
	Undoubtedly, the most exploitable pony.
	Do you think it means?
	Do you think that Big Macintosh sort of gives his tweets to Applejack and sees them get like 10 times more attention?
	And he just goes home and comfort eats.
	That's why he's so fucking fat.
	He says they're changing the narrative.
	They're changing the narrative.
	And I'm like, friendship's not magic.
	Friendship's just an expression of heteropatriarchal oppression.
	Awww, I don't know if someone's bullying.
	Hey, we should get all sorts.
	Where are we going?
	I'm sort of glad I've only got 7% battery left because I kind of feel like if we go on anymore, I'm going to get a knock at the door.
	It's going to be the police.
	I've had some wonderful things through my door.
	I've had syringes.
	I've had dead animals.
	I've had letters cut out of news.
	Actually, just goes to show how what little fucking imagination social justice warriors have.
	I've had actual letters from the newspaper.
	I thought people only did that in cartoons.
	I didn't realize it was a real thing.
	I didn't realize people actually did that.
	How fucking unimaginative and derivative are you people?
	You actually, and you know the worst thing is, I fucking nailed the bastards because I know a lot about fonts.
	I know that the pages came from the Daily Mail.
	I know this because I know the Daily Mail headline font and at least half the letters came from the Daily Mail.
	They weren't expecting me to know that.
	Anyway, not there's anything wrong with the Daily Mail, but I'm sure they hate it.
	So we've set the worlds to right.
	My little pony.
	I think we've probably got time for one more subject.
	Yeah, we've probably got time for one more subject.
	And I'm going to throw it open to the floor.
	And something that our gracious listeners can pick one more subject for us to wax lyrical on before we say goodbye.
	Go on, chat.
	Go on, chat.
	I'm just going to blather for another 45 seconds until the I can see the video is a little behind.
	So I'm going to blather on slightly until you've had an opportunity to suggest our last topic of conversation.
	Because like Seinfeld, we're going to go out on a high.
	And we're going to discuss one more thing before we go out.
	Milo, can you deep throat the headset microphone?
	Well, I'll try.
	Look, I've got.
	I've got what is for me, um, a modest size.
	It's the, it's the, it's the, it's the what?
	People seem divided between Randy Harper and E3.
	Randy Harper and E3.
	Okay, well, maybe we'll do both briefly.
	I would like to talk about Kotaku's Shane.
	I have what is for me a sort of medium-sized microphone.
	Do you want to hold that?
	I'm going to.
	Well, I converted you to a boronia so I can deal with this.
	You know, this is going to be on the internet forever.
	Yes, but I sort of think of all of the things that I've done on the internet, this is only really in the second quartile.
	I'm on the sex tape.
	This is one step on the road.
	This is one.
	This will encourage people to do a sex tape with you, let's be fair.
	Okay.
	Okay, well, I don't think.
	No, it's fine.
	If you just leave it, we'll come back.
	All right, Dwayne, it's just you and me.
	This is...
	Oh, no, it hurts too much.
	Oh, it didn't.
	Just really.
	You know what?
	I didn't warm up first.
	I didn't warm up first.
	I need to do my draw exercises.
	Have you seen the size of this thing?
	Have you seen it?
	That's what she said.
	Judas.
	Judas.
	No, look, I'll find something else to blow.
	Hang on a second.
	Look, I've got.
	I've got.
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
	I'm just kidding.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just kidding.
	Yes, let's not.
	You'll have to have a long chat with your priestess suggest forgive me, father, for I have sinned.
	Forgive me, father, for my technique is poor.
	No, it's not.
	You know what?
	Fuck you.
	I was stupid at agreeing to do this because this is an absurd size penis.
	This fell out of somebody's trousers.
	I'd assume they had a tumour.
	Look.
	I love the way that we've got over 3,000 people watching this.
	It's all about the girl.
	I want to try it again, but my jaws are really aching because I went into it too quickly.
	And yes, I have been there before.
	Oh, God.
	Oh, that really hurt because it's around metal as well.
	And I was worried about dislocating my jaw, so I bottled it.
	I'm going to have to make it all up to you by singing on the next stream because people seem to like that more.
	Right.
	Two more topics before we go.
	I'm like a pony gets a sort of second wind, as you see that he's.
	What do you mean ponies now?
	No, you know, actually, my fifth birthday present was a pony.
	I had a very difficult upbringing.
	There were years we couldn't even heat the pool.
	And it's not my fault.
	I was born into the shackles of privilege.
	And I have been trying to shake off that oppression ever since.
	My father enslaved me by buying me stuff.
	It's like I'm talking to Brianna Wu.
	Did you catch that?
	He said, it's like I'm talking to Brianna Wu.
	That's below the belt, Sargon.
	Still very much intact.
	I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
	It's fine.
	Actually, my hair is so much better than hers.
	Right.
	Look, John, darling, this is what multi-tonal colour looks like.
	Listen.
	Two things we have to talk about before we go.
	Yes.
	The first is Randy Harper.
	I have been promising for some time to offer up to the world a gentle.
	No, no, no, no.
	I don't do takedowns.
	I do intimate portraits.
	Oh.
	I do intimate portraits of my subjects.
	You know, I think carefully for a while before I put pen to paper, I talked to their college professor, college professors.
	I talk to them, who knows?
	I talk to their college professors, their childhood friends, their ex-colleagues.
	I try to get a sense of who they are.
	A gentle, in-depth profile.
	It is a gentle, in-depth profile.
	And I like to sort of give a sort of psychological sketch of people that I find interesting.
	It so happens that the people I've found interesting so far have been Brianna Wu, Shanley Kane, Anita Sarkeesian, who have only their schizoid, paranoiac craziness in common, but otherwise they're very different women.
	Now, my attention has been drawn to Randy Harper, and the profile has largely been written.
	Most of it is with the lawyers, or at least it's being looked at by lawyers.
	And it's not completely finished yet, but it will be coming.
	I would estimate, I mean, you'll have it before E3.
	It's a deadline.
	I don't, see, the reason that I sometimes ignore people when they ask on Twitter is I don't want to over-promise and underdeliver.
	I don't want to give you a deadline and not make it, because it just irritates everyone.
	So that's why I've sort of been avoiding giving you a deadline on all sorts of things because I don't like to tie myself down until I can be sure that I'm going to make it.
	So you'll have it before E3 is the best that I can offer you.
	And I think that's all I'm probably willing to say at the moment.
	Save to mention that long conversations with her former employers and colleagues have been hugely enlightening.
	And any claims that she makes to be any sort of developer are exaggerating.
	Basically, well, I think he goes far as to say fictitious.
	All right, let's obviously fucking lie.
	Yes, yes, and she was Anne Wright on that case.
	Yes, and then, oh, poor Anne Rice.
	I mean, you know, okay, here's a great idea for you, social justice warriors.
	Why don't you go after the author of vampire novels, the things that all of your supporters fucking fap to morning, noon, and night?
	And when you, you know, let's go after the grand high priestess of vampiric fiction.
	Yeah, great idea.
	And then, of course, a couple of weeks later, we've got idiots at the Daily Beast saying that Jurassic World is sexist.
	You know, Chris Pratt, who I love, who I'm convinced is a Republican, because not only does he have a massive arsenal at home, but there's also a lovely video of him with his two-year-old son, and he's teaching his two-year-old son the Pledge of Allegiance.
	He also did that social justice warrior baiting Facebook status update.
	He was very, very credible, wasn't he?
	Right, where he apologised in advance for anything he might potentially say to upset anybody, basically taking the Mickey out of the terminally offended.
	They have responded in the only way they know how, which is taking the bait.
	And yeah, so lots of lovely, lovely hot takes coming on Jurassic World, to be sure.
	I don't know how anybody could ever have expected me to do this.
	It's gigantic.
	So, yeah, good job, guys.
	Awesome.
	Well done.
	So, anyway, as part of I know, I know how to make people like us.
	Let's go after vampires and dinosaurs.
	Let's get the boys out of the car.
	In schools, in Britain, in English schools, there was this thing: whenever you did something really, really stupid, people would put their tongue behind their lower lip and then slap their chin like that.
	It was wait, tell me that again.
	We move in widely different circles, so you're going to have to explain to me.
	What do you do?
	Jerry, talk me through it.
	You put your tongue behind your lower lip.
	So you go as if you.
	That's exactly.
	It was one of the things that.
	So You have to say a word that's stupid, like problematic, and then I go.
	Anything that's stupid, and then exactly you go like that.
	Okay, if I'm not.
	Jurassic World's problem, go on.
	I'm a social justice spot and I'm offended by Chris Pratt.
	I'm just exactly.
	And that is exactly what they deserve.
	Fucking idiots.
	Now I'm fired.
	Everyone else despises.
	Okay.
	All right.
	No, I'm merely discovering more about a fascinating British subculture I knew nothing about.
	Lower class schools.
	Working class disablism.
	No, no, no.
	Some of my best friends are in wheelchairs.
	So I want to finish up, I think, with E3.
	You tell me what you are expecting from this E3, because obviously, and I will say, since there are lots of people on the stream as well, keep your fucking shit together, children.
	I mean, like, you, I've never known a movement that loses its, that drops its spaghetti when it's winning, like this one.
	Like, keep your fucking shit together.
	Dial down the infighting.
	You're winning.
	You've won.
	Go in triumph and harmony.
	And that's all I'm going to say on the subject because I'm not part of the movement.
	It's not up to me to tell you how to run it.
	I'm actually.
	Sort your fucking shit out.
	I've actually got, yeah, guys.
	Just basically what he said, you know, just think about how people will see what we're doing.
	You know, just be sensible.
	That's all.
	You know, we are winning.
	We're very quantifiably winning.
	And Kotaku not getting an invite to Ubisoft's fucking E3 press thing.
	A year ago, could anyone imagine that being the case?
	That Kotaku would not get an invitation for an Ubisoft event.
	That's amazing.
	I think we're seeing, well, look, I can't break confidences and I can't endanger relationships that will be useful to all of us later, myself included, I admit, by telling you any specifics on this.
	But as I said in the last stream, and I hope that people have listened and taken this in, take heart from this, that you have friends in enormously high places who agree, who cannot come out and identify themselves as ex-supporters because of the successful sort of misrepresentations in the press, but who agree with all of the main thrusts of your criticisms.
	So just keep your fucking shit together because life's about to get better.
	That's all I can tell you.
	We've done so fucking well so far.
	You know, we've done so well.
	Don't screw it up now, guys.
	You know what I mean?
	This is the final.
	This is the whole world is looking at E3, you know?
	And I'm going to be there prancing around like a ridiculous faggot, discovering, you know.
	Will you be filming it, by the way?
	Well, I may invest in some sort of filming.
	I may even take somebody.
	I haven't decided yet.
	Well, there'll be loads of other gaming gators today.
	I'm sure one of them will have a camera.
	Well, I'm thinking actually of taking somebody with me with some sort of apparatus that can live stream so that I can go around the hall and interview people live and then perhaps do some sort of more highly produced videos as well afterwards.
	You're welcome to email me.
	My email is in my Twitter bio, as I think everybody knows.
	And of course, everybody in the world has my phone number.
	So thanks, Shanley.
	No, you know, actually, it's fine.
	I've never had so many dick pics.
	Honestly, every time I fucking come.
	No, you know what?
	Every time they come for me, I end up getting laid or getting like free porn.
	You know, like Arthur Chu and his ridiculous minions call in a bomb threat to my meetup in Washington, and I end up getting laid because I meet this guy on the pavement.
	I wrote about this.
	You've probably seen this.
	Who was that?
	Did we ever find out who had done that?
	No, I think I have some idea, but I can't obviously point fingers.
	I've shared what I know with American law enforcement, and that's as much as I can do.
	I'm not particularly interested in sort of holding grudges and pursuing people to the ends of the earth.
	I think that anybody who did that realized that they did wrong.
	They realize that they are taking resources away from people who actually need them, whether it's battered wives who are calling the police because they're being beaten up, whether it's people whose homes or businesses are being burned to the ground in Baltimore, which was happening at the time, drawing police resources.
	Hyperactively panicking about people stalking them to their cars.
	Right, right.
	Whether it's Brianna Wu desperately in need of comforting after she received, well, sent herself an awful tweet or whatever.
	I don't know.
	I mean, we saw that with that one prosecutor in Ohio, he was just really annoyed to have his time wasted by internet drama.
	Right, exactly.
	Because ultimately, there's plenty of things that we know and love about the internet, but it's mainly each other.
	It's other people.
	The great thing about this kind of technology and me getting into gaming and all this kind of stuff is the people I've met.
	The medium itself, the idea of it is preposterous and ridiculous to most normal people.
	They're not like us.
	They don't get that so much of our interior and emotional lives are lived out through technology and online and with people that in some cases we've never met.
	And that means something to us.
	It matters to us.
	And that's why we get furious when people try to come into those spaces and shut them down.
	And I may not be the sort of like lifelong Redditor, or I may not be a lifelong gamer, but I am somebody who has lived online forever.
	And that's why I kind of went native, if you like, with Gamergate so quickly, because I recognize something happening to similarly fragile and precious spaces.
	And we talked about free speech earlier, something I believe in very passionately and very sincerely.
	And, you know, the whole sort of anonymous and 4chan 8chan culture is something that's very precious and very important for us to preserve.
	Yeah, it's a safe space for shitlords.
	Yes, safe spaces for shitlords are extremely important.
	I get pissed off when people act like they don't need them.
	It's a little place to shitpost every now and again.
	Everybody needs a safe space of some kind.
	And certain sorts of video game are male safe spaces.
	They're very poorly understood male safe spaces.
	And they're spaces that other people don't choose to recognize as such because they think that men don't need safe spaces.
	But of course, we do.
	And what's heartening, what's interesting to notice, I'm going to finish this on a very somber and reflective but uplifting note, I think, is, you know, reported earlier this week a sort of, not quite a men's rights organization, but a sort of men's free speech organization, if you like, popping up at a British university in sort of soft response to the lunacies of third-wave feminism and the compulsory consent classes and things.
	Men are starting to feel sufficiently emboldened to speak up now.
	They're starting to feel better about this.
	And in any case, it's a broader war than that, really, because there are men, women, blacks, gays.
	Like entity politics, though, do we need that?
	No, but the point is that I think it's useful to affect a rebalancing before people snap out of their stupidity and realize that actually the best thing to do is to congregate, is to congregate on entirely different bases from what you're born out.
	Whether you have black skin or you're a woman or you're a man who thinks they should have been a woman or your legs don't work.
	That's the skin, the content of your character.
	So that massive racist, Martin Luther King.
	Right, yeah.
	Indeed.
	And I think I can't really improve on that.
	You know, once people realize actually that there are much more important things to congregate over and more important things to communicate with one another about and to share and enjoy together than where they come from and who they are, things they can't change about themselves, I think we'll all start to get a bit happier.
	But I do genuinely have some faith that the social justice tendency has peaked.
	I do think it has peaked.
	I think that it was round, you know, those sorts of politics are roundly rejected by the British electorate.
	I think they're going to be stamped out.
	We've seen this with Vox backpedaling on things.
	I think they're going to be stamped out in advance of Hillary's campaign.
	I genuinely believe we've got another sort of six to nine months of this stupidity.
	The interesting thing is, Bill Clinton had to do the same thing in 92.
	He had to sort of stamp out his wave of political correctness on the left.
	Right, and that's when political correctness was, you know, it was last huge.
	And it has to be, in order for the left to be electable, they have to get rid of it.
	And so, through pure pragmatic necessity, they're going to start distancing themselves from these people.
	And once they start distancing themselves from these people, you will no longer see Zoe Quinn in preposterous congressional situations.
	You will no longer see these people with wildly disproportionate access to government authority and business way out of whack, not only with their qualifications, their experience, their ability to speak intelligently, but also their mental stability.
	These crazy people won't be embraced anymore.
	And I do genuinely believe that Gamergate was an integral part of social justice peaking as a movement in our intellectual history.
	Yes, I think you're right.
	And I think when cultural historians, you know, actual objective cultural historians look back on this period, they will see Gamergate as quite pivotal.
	I think it was.
	And, you know, we often like to finish our streams, you and I, with an uplifting sort of broad brush conclusion like this.
	And I think it's important for people to realize that they did win.
	They continue to win every day when they stamp down the tyrants and the mere existence of Gamergate drives them crazy.
	The mere existence of driving them crazy.
	And, you know, and that is embodied in certain individuals.
	I noticed, for example, it was an interesting phenomenon where the left sort of doesn't really engage me at all.
	It kind of pretends that I don't exist.
	I'm a sort of a monster under the bed that feminists sort of warn their children about.
	They sort of check underneath the bed.
	Right.
	You get this too, but from feminists too.
	They sort of will refuse to acknowledge your existence and they cannot ignore you any longer.
	This is what happened with Gamergate.
	You broke out and you became something that it was impossible to ignore.
	And that's happening now with individuals, with movements, with sad puppies, for example, with the Hugos, became something they could no longer ignore.
	And the worst thing you can do to ideologues and censors and authoritarians is shine the bright rays of sunlight onto their arguments and show them up for how ridiculously weak they are.
	That was the great fear and panic around Gamergate.
	It was the great fear and panic around sad puppies and rabid puppies.
	It was that, my God, never let these journalists actually talk to anyone because they might start thinking these guys have reasonable arguments.
	That's where the anger comes from.
	It's panic that somebody might pick up the phone to somebody reasonable and experience a superior, better research to be able to do it.
	It's about maintaining sexually superior.
	It's about maintaining the illusion that they're in the majority, that their opinion is the accepted opinion.
	They definitely think they're in the majority and they're dead.
	They're definitely not.
	And when ordinary people have the arguments explained to them properly, they agree.
	So that's my sort of my Jerry Springer wrap-up.
	And remember, on 28th August 2015, Gamers will still be alive.
	We should have an event.
	We should have an event.
	28th of August.
	I doubt this will happen, but it would be great if all the GG in various locations did joint events around the world on the 28th of August.
	You know, there was an amazing Eurovision.
	I tell you, I'm a terrible gay, but I'm only telling half the truth.
	There was an amazing Eurovision song called Vampires Are Alive.
	Do you remember that?
	I think it might have won.
	I don't follow Eurovision thumbs that closely.
	Okay, fuck you.
	Okay, whatever, fuck you guys.
	We could do it.
	Yeah, so there should be a song.
	There should be a song.
	Well, Gamergate sings.
	We've done tons of songs.
	I would be very, okay, so I would be very happy not only to sing on, but also to help to organize a sort of Gamergate charity single.
	I think that I could persuade, for example, I could persuade all of the people that you know and like and want to do this.
	Some of the Gamergate thing stuff is really good.
	Right, get in touch with the money.
	I'm happy to put a little bit of money behind this.
	And I'm happy because it's going to require some production.
	I'll chip then.
	No, no, I'm not going to crowdfund it.
	I'll just pay for it.
	But what if people want to join me?
	Benevolent Quick.
	Look, the one thing you can do for me is buy my fucking book when it comes out, okay?
	That's all I ever want from anybody is $6.
	Everything else I will pay for, and I'm very happy to set up meetings and go on TV for you and do all this kind of shit for you.
	Just buy my book when it comes out, and we're square as far as I'm concerned.
	I do.
	You've got the chapters on my screen, which you're not allowed to share with anybody.
	So, look, what was I saying?
	You think it's going to be a good thing?
	God, I'm so old.
	I'm so old.
	Yes, sorry.
	Gamergate charity single.
	This is a public service announcement for the Gamergate charity single.
	I very much like offering to you, funded by me, the opportunity to record a Gamergate charity single.
	I will set up some mechanisms through which you can nominate singers, and I will reach out to various people I know to help produce it and to come up with a tune that's recognizable that's not going to cause us any horrific copyright problems.
	And I would like for us to release it.
	You know, the funny thing is, with the state of digital content in general being what it is, the size of Gamergate, I don't think it's impossible that if we have a sufficiently well-produced single and we release it on iTunes, that we can't make, yeah, we're not going to get to the top of the tunes, but top of the charts, but make a little dent on the charts, just a little bit of a middle finger to the people we all know and hate.
	So you can watch this space and I will release some information about that in due time.
	But yes, I think it would be a very good idea.
	And there are many of us who have lovely voices.
	And that's all from me, I think, for today.
	I think, Sargon, we interrupted you about 11 times.
	That's all right.
	I just want to say, I'm not quite as optimistic about the end of social justice quite so quickly.
	Go ahead.
	I think I would love it if in six months.
	Getting really close now.
	He likes it.
	He likes it.
	He's getting used to the idea now.
	He's looking at his recoil in horror.
	Fuck you.
	You could do worse than me.
	I would love it if M69 months was being sort of like stretching in the movies that turns into a hug, you know?
	Sorry, carry on, Perry on, carry on.
	I don't know.
	I'm sorry. Please carry on.
	That's all right.
	I just, I'm not as optimistic.
	I think there are too many people who have got too many careers invested.
	And you've got too many college students being churned out every year, you know.
	And they're growing.
	More of them are coming out of universities and they are scrambling for jobs.
	And I mean, I think that they will eventually lose, of course.
	But I think that it's going to take longer than six to nine months.
	That's my opinion.
	Well, the interesting thing is the courses that they come out of, the staff, the oppression studies courses, no one really wants to do them anymore because there's no job.
	People know you can't get a job.
	And universities themselves are more reluctant to fund them because they know they're sort of old 1960s relics.
	So you do see a movement, even in humanities and sociology to more cognitive science approaches, which, of course, these people hate because it's all nativism and innate differences and things like that.
	See, as a natural cynic, as a Brit and a natural cynic, of course, you are going to take a more pessimistic position than I am.
	I'm a natural silly naive optimist, and I do believe really that we can do this.
	I agree we're going to win.
	I just think we need to be a little more realistic about it.
	Years, not months.
	Well, maybe so.
	Maybe so.
	Put it down to my ridiculous gay optimism.
	No, no, no, that's all right.
	And the thing is, I think that in a lot of ways, we're kind of in the sort of Spartans Athens position in the Peloponnesian War, where one can't really conquer the other.
	And so basically, we've got, I think that in this analogy, we're Sparta as well.
	So basically.
	Sparta's pretty cool.
	Well, they're kind of gay.
	Well, you know, people sometimes call me a reactionary.
	They say you want to go back to the 50s.
	And I say, yes, the 650s BC.
	Because Sparta was awesome.
	Everyone was banging everyone.
	It was great.
	Sorry.
	This is why right-wingers are wrong about gay soldiers because, you know, there were some fantastic gay soldiers in the Greek.
	You know, you might be right.
	Yes, yes.
	Don't ask, don't bum.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	In fact, one of the first units to beat the Spartans was an all-gay regiment called the Sacred Band of Eve.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	That is interesting.
	ITI did my classics on it.
	It's terrible because I did Roman fucking Britain because my score was ridiculous.
	But that is interesting.
	The point is, we're at positions where they can't really do anything to us they haven't already done.
	They've run out of weaponry.
	But we're unable to particularly storm their sort of positions.
	But if we want to really decisively win, I think we could go down the route of identity politics, given the way that your debates have been going.
	This is a good thing.
	We have to beat them on their turf because essentially Sparta and Athens couldn't defeat each other on their.
	We are coming onto a subject I could not disagree with you more about.
	But I believe that I could not disagree with you more about this.
	And I think that this might be a very interesting subject for us to kick off our next stream with.
	Okay, go on.
	I think that'll be fun.
	Well, I'm just saying it's not something I like, but there is the possibility to go down that road.
	And if we can defeat them on the home turf, then what are they going to do?
	Very well.
	Well, there's some plenty of food for thought there.
	That's all.
	Interesting things for listeners to think about.
	It's really hurt my ear.
	Sorry, you're going to have to go with that now.
	That was really painful.
	Metal poking into my ear.
	I think it's a change from giant African cocks.
	Thank you all for.
	I was going to do a really professional sign-off then.
	totally lost it thank you Alan for being with us We're grateful.
	That was the gayest wave I think that anybody has ever done.
	I have so much fun talking to you.
	Thank you so much for having me again.
	Wonderful conversation.
	We will do this.
	It's been great.
	I hope you've enjoyed it in the chat.
	I would love for you to email me or tweet me as however you want to get in touch.
	I'm more likely to see it if you email me.
	I can't always reply to everything, but I do read everything, as they say on the chat shows.
	No, they don't say on chat shows.
	What do they say on?
	We can't reply to every email, but we do read every email you send us.
	Yes, yes.
	There's one issue that the chat does want to clear.
	Very, very important.
	Is it gay to like traps?
	Is it gay to like traps?
	What's traps?
	Traps are sort of cross-dressing, cross-dressing sort of boys who look like women.
	Boys who look like, well, of course it's fucking gay.
	Of course it's gay.
	If you're into traps, I've got news for you, buddy.
	You're a fag.
	God, fuck off.
	Piss off back to Thailand and pick up a ladyboy.
	If you're into traps, just give it up already.
	Stop holding out and pretending that you might somehow be heterosexual.
	If you're into traps, dude, you're a queer.
	And that's all from us this week.
	It's been precious and real and wonderful.
	And I can't wait until we do it.
	I can't wait until we do it again.
	Well, we can do it in a week or two.
	I'm sure there'll be plenty of happenings to discuss.
	I'm sure there will.
	Thank you so much.
	You take care.
	Thanks, everyone.
	And thanks a lot, Chatful.
	Thank you for watching.

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