WarRoom Battleground EP 956: SSPX episcopal consecrations — which are absolutely necessary — are smoking out all the “fake Trads”
Stephen K. Bannon and Frank Walker argue the SSPX’s July 1st episcopal consecrations are exposing "fake Trads"—Cardinals Sarah and Müller, who they claim prioritize Vatican II over orthodoxy—while defending the SSPX’s stance that doctrine trumps political agendas like gay blessings or open borders. They critique Pope Leo XIII’s alleged fear of Spain’s "far right" Catholics opposing progressive policies, comparing it to today’s Vatican, which they say weaponizes religious rhetoric for humanitarian and leftist causes while condemning others for doing the same. The episode highlights 18 U.S. bishops pushing pro-illegal immigration policies under Catholic guise, framing their actions as a betrayal of traditional teachings, and concludes that the Church’s modern political stances undermine its spiritual authority. [Automatically generated summary]
Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room for the usual weekly review of all the news and developments in Christendom.
And coming up on the show today, we have for you Pope Leo, Holy Pope Leo, the holiest man the Catholic Church has ever produced, has announced what his great fear is for the kingdom of Spain.
You'll want to stay tuned for that.
It's not what you might think it will be.
Or it is, depends if you've been how much attention you've been paying watching the war room.
We also have the news and developments of the Vatican's agitation for the Third World illegal invasion taking place in Europe and America.
And we also have news of the US bishops trying to intervene on the president's state of the Union Address, which fortunately I don't think he paid too much attention to.
That's coming from the show.
Frank Walker, as always, founder and editor in chief of Canon 212.
Really, the source for trad Catholics, but not exclusively trad Catholics, Catholics generally, not exclusively Catholics, but also evangelicals as well.
But it is the Drudge Report for traditional Catholicism, of that.
There is no doubt.
Frank Walker joins me this evening to help navigate the developments.
Frank, we're starting off with what I think is the big development right now in the Catholic Church.
And it's really an issue that hasn't gone away since 1988, when Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops without the Vatican's approval and, according to some, incurred automatic latte sentencia excommunication.
And when I say this has been an issue that's been bubbling for about 40 years, 38 years, there is the unresolved question, which I don't think has really been resolved by the SSPX, certainly hasn't been resolved by Rome.
And that is, of course, to whom is a faithful Catholic's primary obedience due?
Is it to Jesus Christ or is it to the hierarchy?
Now, normally 1962 years, there was never much doubt over that because the two were the same, not anymore, not since the Second Vatican Council.
Hence, The drama of the present situation and hence different Catholics interpretations of how to navigate that.
Archbishop Lefebvre had his idea of what to do, and that is in order to safeguard the unchanging Catholic faith handed down from Jesus Christ via the apostles to today,
to the modern age, in order to guarantee the coherence of that faith, he took the step, as I was saying, of consecrating four bishops, of which I think two died, leaving two.
And the society, therefore, the Society of Pope St Pius X, popularly known in English as the SSPX or the Lefebvreists, have decided to proceed on July the 1st and consecrate, I think, it's five new bishops to assist the work of the society.
And Frank Walker, hand over to you on this, right?
As I see it, this is really the crisis now for the church and for Trad Inc. to decide on which side they are going to come down.
Are they going to be loyal to the Pope or are they going to be loyal to tradition?
And it's a great litmus test.
I think the Catholic Church really divides down into a very neat up or down vote on this one.
Are you going to support the SSPX or not?
Yes or no?
And of course, Frank Walker, as you and I have long suspected, a lot of the people who are lining down, lining up alongside loyalty to Rome are those entities that have been grifting off traditional Catholicism for years, if not decades.
And of course, now they are being smoked out.
Right now, and this is what let me start with asking you this question.
Right now, a number of cardinals have come out.
Some of these degraded white hopes of traditional Catholics, we always looked at the smoke signals thinking that they were really on side.
Now, surely these guys, you know, the hints showing a little bit of angle here, a little bit of angle there.
These guys are really sort of they know where we're coming from.
And yet, here they are: Cardinal Sarah and Cardinal Muller, they've both come out and indicated that the SSPX should not proceed with these consecrations.
As I say, it's an up or down vote, this one, folks.
And the position that we've had on the war room is that Catholic laity cannot trust the bishops, the cardinals, the popes, the hierarchy in general.
And that in order to safeguard the faith and the coherence of the Catholic Church, we need to take the running of this church into our own hands.
And people say, come on, Harnwell, don't be so extreme.
There are some good cardinals.
Tell us, let me ask you this, Frank Walker.
Were you surprised that these two great luminaries who've been on the circuit selling, celebrating, offering, saying a little TLM here and a little TLM there?
Were you surprised that when push came to shove, they turned out to be company men?
First, I want to say that when I started doing this work 17 years ago, I never thought of myself as a trad.
I just thought of myself as a Catholic.
But the regular media was sort of standoffish to people that went to the Latin Mass.
But I thought these people should have a voice too.
They say good things, they're faithful.
And then other people started saying, Well, Canon 212, that's a trad site.
That's traditional and that they should follow it.
So I've always thought, and I'm sure you probably do too.
And for your readers that aren't in the middle of this stuff, traditional, what they call traditional Catholicism, I think it's kind of a smear because it's like as we love tradition, but really we just love the Catholic faith.
And the Catholic faith is old and it's traditional.
It goes back to Christ a while.
So I would think, and it's even more prominent what you're talking about here today.
It's really just Catholic.
And so I, yeah, and there are a lot of grifters and there are people who have taken positions against the traditional movement.
Cardinal Mueller was part of Benedict, was Penedict's head of doctrine and Francis's for a while there too.
And he was involved in the SSPX and their relationship with the church and demanding that they have a doctrinal fealty that they convey it and they confirm it to Vatican II when nobody else is required to do that about Vatican II.
It's not doctrinal, it doesn't make doctrinal statements.
There are un-Catholic things in there and that in their opinion.
So I'm not surprised that Cardinal Mueller has come back to hit them again, just like he did, you know, 10 years ago or whenever.
And Cardinal Seurat has been very quiet, very, very quiet for, you know, ever since he was sort of let out of Francis's curia.
And all of a sudden, he's out there again.
He's saying that the SSPX are outside the boat now, and God would never require anybody to ever have to make that kind of choice before.
You're always absolutely right when you stay in the boat with Peter.
But, you know, Peter is supposed to be Catholic.
And the wonderful thing about all these, and you know, I guess we talked about this before that they're getting ready to consecrate a bishop.
You said five new bishops, but I didn't hear that number five, but that would be great news.
They're getting ready to consecrate and they're doing it so forcefully.
And the relationship between Kissy Fernandez, the head of doctrine who is mediating this thing for Leo, and Father Paul Yorani is so stark.
The difference between them two, that it's all very positive.
They've said, okay, well, we were under the gun of excommunication.
You've made that clear already.
We're not going to go, we're not going to dialogue with you anymore because that's not really a dialogue, but that's just a threat.
And we're going to go ahead anyway.
This time around, there's a lot more power because people realize that Leo and Francis and their apparatus is not Catholic.
Right, you're right when um, when you um, when you highlight the curiosity of these Vatican Ii freaks, of which Muller certainly is one um, because he's a disciple, of course, of cardinal Rap Singer Stroke pope Benedict, who was the supreme Vatican Ii freak um, which is why i've never considered him to be a traditionalist, not remotely um.
And, of course, it's important to say that the traditional movement goes way beyond the Latin Mass.
The Latin Mass is important, possibly it's totemic in its importance, but it, the traditional movement, transcends simply the Tlm, and what I mean by that is, I think people have been confused by one or two pellets saying the Tlm and um, the traditional Latin Mass, and assuming oh, these guys are part of our movement, they're one of us.
Uh, when they're not remotely, they are, um and down to the last, enthusiastic about Vatican Ii, which is the key point of rupture.
Um, you say something else about how they uh, how and we are hearing this messaging right how uh, this is a rupture that will wound the church um, and its lack of disobedience, and it's it's sort of crypto extra ecclesiam stuff right um, ironically.
Ironically, they wheel out the the, the.
There is no salvation outside the church for the Lefebrists, right to the Lefevrists and the Lefevrists alone.
It's Extra Ecclesia, NULL LA Salos for everybody else, for the Anglicans, for the orthodox right, for the, for the evangelicals.
When they have all these big uh meetings, when they all do the air kisses, uh on the um on the cheek and smilingly patting one another on the shoulders, saying how much you know what we have in common is far greater than what divides us and all the rest of their unreadable drivel.
Um, those guys get a free pass right, the further it's.
It's likely that the redshift in the expanding universe.
The further you we are from the Catholic faith, the more of a free pass you get.
I call it sort of a Nazi unity, a unity of force, a unity of fear, of compulsion.
That's not Christian.
That's not Catholic.
Catholic is a unity of faith.
And the SSPX, Father Pagurani made that clear to Kissy Fernandez that, you know, we don't have some lower limit of accepting of being a member of the church.
The limit has always been the same.
It's the Catholic faith.
You know, John Henry Weston of Life Site News, which this program made a great effort to defend when he was trying to be overturned by his board and lost his position.
He made a great defense the other day of the SSPX against Cardinal Seurat.
He said, Cardinal Seurat, where have you come from?
Have you come from out from under a rock?
You're talking about obedience.
Where's your obedience to Leo's church?
Are you obedient to all the gay blessings that are now being enforced?
Are you obedient to the fact that they say that capital punishment is not permissible in the church anymore when all the Catholic doctors of the church have said otherwise?
Are you obedient to the fact that they say that the Latin Mass has no place?
It's being suppressed.
Are you obedient to sacrilegious communion by people who are living unrepentantly and in mortal sin and refuse to be in spiritual union in order to go to Holy Communion?
These things are all anti-Catholic.
And in order to be obedient to the Pope, you have to follow them now.
Our God is not arbitrary.
It's not Islam.
It's based on timeless laws that come from God Himself who will never change.
And it's something very inhuman to try to compel us to believe things that are neither true nor required by our faith simply because by somehow by obedience, a false obedience against God Himself.
So that's what this is all about now.
And to see people making like West and making a great defense, you know, Chris Jackson reminds us that the virgin birth is not really quite held as a point of faith by Cardinal Mueller.
Cardinal Mueller is a liberation theologist, and Cardinal Mueller cast doubt on transubstantiation, which is what actually happens in Holy Communion at the center of the mass when the host is lifted up.
He doesn't really believe these things.
So the SSPX has stood on Catholic faith and they stood to the point of having to disobey when it's broken.
And they've given a way for other Catholics, a space for other Catholics to do the same thing.
And like you say, Ben, in this day and age, when we have popes that are trying to enforce anti-Catholic and evil teachings on all the bishops and everyone in the church who are more about politics and bad politics at that, we have to stand up for the faith of Christ because of God himself and pray to make the church better.
And it takes these fighting people like the SSPX are making it so possible.
And now powerful media Catholics like Life Site News.
Look, it's our obligation to stand up and defend to whatever possibility we can in the light in the situation of our personal lives that God has put us in, to stand up and make the strongest possible commitment to the unchanging Catholic faith.
The SSPX is not perfect.
It is not a perfect vehicle.
But right now, it is definitely on the side of the angels.
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This is what he says: if the society of St. Pius X is to have a positive impact on church history, it cannot fight for the true faith from a distance, from the outside, against the church united with the Pope.
Well, look, homing on that, he says, he's actually recognizing there, despite himself, because as I say, this guy is not a Roman Catholic, he's not a traditional Catholic, he's a conciliar Catholic, absolutely formed, militantly formed, radically formed in the precepts of the anti-Catholic, so-called Second Vatican Council.
But here he is, he's referring to what the SS Pix is doing, it's fighting for the true faith.
Frank, standby, we're back with you in two minutes.
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I see then, Frank, that Leo, Pope Leo, his holiness, his most very holiness, his exceedingly holiness, has indicated what his great, and I quote, his greatest concern in Spain is, tell me, and perhaps we'll continue this theme after the break.
Now, when I saw that he was talking about his greatest concern in Spain, I'll tell you what mine is.
I was wondering whether we had perhaps he and I overlapped on our preoccupations.
My great concern right now is the socialist government ramming through the regularization of 500,000 illegals, invaders, Giving them residency permits with which they will then be able to dissipate right across the European Union,
creating havoc and a crime wave of sexual and violent crime against women and children, which is what we've seen from the million or so invaders that Angela Merkel brought in.
That's my greatest concern right now, what's happening in Spain.
The socialist government's ramming that through by royal decree because it doesn't have the votes in parliament to do it.
Tell me, because you're very up on this story, and hat tip to Chris Jackson, whom you mentioned earlier, who has got an unbelievably fantastic analysis.
He's very good anyway, right?
But his synthesis this time is just one smash quote after boom, boom, boom.
You've got the background on this.
You've got three minutes, Frank, before we go to the break.
Tell me, is he Leo the left?
Is his greatest concern in Spain the same as mine?
Well, yeah, because he's worried about people complaining about it.
He's worried about the people that don't like it.
Unhappy politics in Spain.
His main priority, this was leaked by some people, some bishops or people were at this bishop's meeting in Spain, that he really was worried about the extreme right instrumentalizing the Catholic faith.
As if there is nothing on when they say extreme right, they really mean just they mean the Catholics is what they mean.
And that and it's very revealing because that shows you what Leo is all about.
He's all about the politics.
His formula is: I'm going to make these terrible bishops and we're going to exploit them for politics.
The synods are going to make sure that the doctrine gets destroyed.
Meanwhile, my job is the pie piper of politics.
I've done it against Trump and I'm worried about it in Spain, where they just dotted line a half a million illegals and they have millions more in the works from what I've read.
And Chris Jackson has quotes in here that are just fantastic.
Like the post-conciliar Vatican doesn't merely comment on politics, it thinks in political categories first and then retrofits religion around them.
That's beautiful.
That's exactly what they do.
Since they're not Catholic, they're all about politics first and then retrofitting religion around them.
That's Leo's church, which is not the Church of Jesus Christ.
Both of those quotes, by the way, you will see right in the center of the highlighted articles to the day on canon212.com, folks, which I very strongly recommend you just check out to find out what's going on.
So just quickly before we go to this break, Frank Walker, yes or no?
I've got this right then.
So lefty Leo's great preoccupation, his great concern for Spain, isn't the admitting of half a million invaders to dissipate across the European Union.
Welcome back, Harnworld here at the helm with Frank Walker.
Folks, if you're not, if you're if you're if your pulse isn't accelerating and your blood pressure rocketing after the first half of the show, you certainly will be now as we dig in to just how radical the institution of the Catholic Church is in sponsoring the invasion, the third world illegal invasion across the West.
So, Cardinal Fabio Badgo, the Undersecretary of the Vatican's dicastery for promoting integral human development, right?
And if the title, if the title doesn't tell you this guy is going to be an enemy with a capital E, I have no idea what he's going to give you those vibes, has come out and spoken against basically our side of the political spectrum, pushing what he calls a negative narrative,
a negative narrative about the church's migration work.
And he points out something that I think really, Steve Bannon was the most prominent Catholic about to hit this about 10 years ago.
And to say this publicly, and when he said that, I don't think, I mean, people have perhaps been murmuring it, murmuring it, whispering it, but he actually said it on the record.
And he said, the whole reason the Catholic Church, the institutional Catholic Church, is pushing the immigration crisis, because we didn't call it an invasion in those days.
The whole reason they're pushing the immigration crisis is because they're grifting money out of it, hundreds of millions.
And he named the US Catholic Church specifically with that regard.
And they all sort of put their hands up.
He said, no, no, it's absolutely outrageous.
And of course, we now see the figures thanks to the Trump administration.
And it is hundreds of millions.
But this guy has come out and tried to counter that, accepts that that's the argument that we're making now because before they even refuse to acknowledge that we made that argument.
Tell me a bit, there's a write up on this in the National Catholic Distorter.
Tell me a bit then about what Cardinal Badger has said and what the effect of this is intended to be.
Well, I remember that he was, he said, I'm a historian and I'm worried about discrimination and I'm worried about against migrants and I'm worried about people using the wrong language against migrants.
I remember that.
He is coming over here from the Vatican and worried about our policy on migration.
You know, JD Vance, and in the last article we just looked at, JD Vance Publicly invited Leo to the 250th anniversary of the United States, and he decided instead to go to Lampedusa Isle, which has like become sort of like a trash heap on the way to Italy and make a statement like Francis did about illegal migrants.
So that's why Fabio Baggio is over here giving us lessons on how to use the right language and not discriminate against illegals and all of the phony baloney moralizing that comes along with it.
He says that his eminence says that migrants present in countries in irregular situations.
He says that they are children of God and persons knocking at the door of charity from our communities who we must not who must not be discriminated against.
Well, it's true that invaders are children of God.
That's true.
But they're children of God when they remain in their own countries.
They don't have to illegally invade on dinghies, another country, to break into another country, to get the children of God ontology.
They have that anyway.
And they continue to have that when they're forcibly repatriated back to their home countries.
That children of God thing is always with them.
So I don't know why they insist on mentioning that because I think it's somewhat of a diversion, right?
Yeah, I mean, that's probably why all the Democrats wouldn't stand up in the State of the Union yesterday when Trump asked them whether they thought protecting Americans was more important than protecting illegal aliens.
None of them would stand up, I suppose, because illegal aliens are children of God, too.
I think that they would agree with that.
I think the Democrats and the bishops agree completely on everything.
And they use that to make sure that people don't treat criminals with the way in a regular society and a just society has to be because everybody's children of God.
Really, a child of God is a believing, faithful Christian in a state of grace.
That's what really a child of God is.
But we're all people and God loves everyone, even illegals, as much as he does anybody else.
That's true.
That's no excuse.
It has nothing to do with it.
What he's doing, he's coming over here to grease the wheels for the bishops, what they've done ahead of the state of the union with their laundry list, like you're getting ready to talk about now, of all the things they want to do to gum up the works, you know, and make sure their whole deportation methods all stall out.
So that's what makes us children of God and in traditional Catholic theology.
So whilst you have a lot of Latin Americans coming into the United States in the American context, and they're all going to be baptized in Europe, in continental Europe, we're getting the Muslims coming up across the Med from Africa.
They're Muslims, so they're not going to be baptized at all.
So even then, the designation children of God from a Catholic perspective would be inappropriate.
It would be theologically inappropriate.
What the Catholic Church ought to be doing, rather than acting as a humanitarian NGO in favor of mass displacement of peoples illegally, uh, trafficked one from one country to another.
It might try preaching the gospel and you know, go therefore to all nations, teaching them, teaching all to observe everything, yeah, exactly.
Uh, baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Lo, I'm with you always, even to the end of the age.
That you know, they might always try, you know, as you as you said, their argument is pro-invasion because Jesus.
Well, they might actually want to look at Jesus's great commission that he left the church before ascending to heaven and following through on it.
Look, we have too much.
I'm talking for too much, we've got too much to go through.
Quickly, if you will, as we try to get all of these stories shoehorned into the closing 10 minutes of the show, and quickly, if you will, just mention the 18 Catholic bishops and archbishops that were agitating for President Trump to tone down his positions in the state of the Union.
And you were right about what you said before, Frank.
The Democrat, the U.S. Catholic bishops are the Democratic Party at prayer.
But tell me now, just quickly about their flagrant disregard of the separation of church and politics and their direct intervention seeking to change administration policy, President Trump's policy.
These 18 border bishops have asked him to let them apply at the border for asylum.
Imagine what that would do.
They're saying that they need to have due process as if they were citizens, but they're getting due process.
They're defining that they're illegal aliens and then sending them back to the country where they're legal, where they could have due process there.
You know, it's just these things don't apply.
But if they were able to, if they were, if they did any of the things that the bishops want them to do, it would stop the whole process because the bishops want to make their money off these illegals and have them in the United States.
It's a political thing that they need to get so that there's more people sitting down at the State of the Union than there are now.
There have to be more.
They want to also protect sensitive locations such as churches.
This is one that always gets me because all over the world, churches harbor what they would call refugees.
And they're many times the people that are the wrong side of a war because they're all about peace.
They're the wrong side of the war.
It becomes a refugee and they're harbored.
And then the government can't get to them.
These are criminals.
They cannot be reached because they're on church property.
And they want to make sure that they define it that way.
They say they want to have separation of families.
They want to have no enforcement on immigrants who are contributing to the common good.
Make sure they have reintegration programs, enforce facility standards.
They want to be able to let in whenever they want.
They don't want even the detention facilities to decide when they can come in or not.
And they have these radicals come in and they say that they're bringing the sacraments as if they cared when anybody gets a sacrament.
They shut down the whole planet during the virus.
They don't care who gets the sacraments.
They don't care who they have collapsing numbers or selling off all the churches, preaching these evil politics that are completely unpopular.
No, they want to just say it's because of the sacraments that we don't have access.
They're just looking for a bunch of handles that they can pull, a bunch of places that they can hammer at the deportation program.
It's a completely political Democrat process to gum up the entire works.
What they are doing, Frank Walker, and you've got this absolutely a thousand percent correct, is they're pushing a political agenda backed up with religious iconography.
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Well, Frank Walker, this is pretty much the end of the show.
And the last story that we have to cover, which I think is fascinating, it's the Lenten retreat taking place in the Vatican now.
You know, based to Lefty Leo and all his cardinals.
And they've roped in Norwegian Cistercian Bishop Eric Varden to conduct the Lenten spiritual exercises for the Roman Curia.
Now, Bergoglio might be dead, but his asinine brain-dead platitudes live on.
And the core message of Bishop Varden, which would have been a great opportunity to reinforce the brethren, to reinforce the faith in the brethren, his core message: don't use the gospel as a weapon.
And in this, he says, and this is why it's very interesting, Frank Walker, to hear you synthesize the previous story.
He's talking about instrumentalizations of Christian language and signs that should be challenged, not just by one outrage, but by teaching the terms of authentic spiritual warfare.
What he's talking about is he has in his mind's eye, no doubt, the images of people like Matteo Salvini and other Italian politicians going out doing speeches holding the rosary.
And this drives the Vatican absolutely crazy.
They say you shouldn't be pushing political narratives backed up with religious imagery.
But Frank Walker, let me put this to you, point to you.
That is exactly what the institutional Vatican is doing.
That is its meat and drink.
That is its shtick.
It's a humanitarian, atheistic, communistic, environmentalistic NGO, right?
And it pushes a position that not even 2% of the population would buy if it weren't being pushed out under the banner of the Catholic Church.
It legitimizes that radical position with religious iconography because it has bishops and popes and cardinals and what have you and pushing that agenda.
If they were just, if they just pushed these things out dressed as laymen with laymen's names without religious titles, no one would care less what they say, right?
So they are the ultimate example of what they're going through the pretense of opposing.
They're taking the agency of a Christian making the gospel live in the world by teaching it and by showing people how to employ it, even in politics.
They're taking that agency and they're saying, you know, that's just weaponizing.
That's just weaponizing.
That's instrumentalizing.
And so they can do it.
They can do it all they want.
And it's not a weapon.
See, it's just holiness.
But if a Catholic does it, then it's weaponizing.
This characterization, we heard this at the National Catholic Reporter, the Liberal Reporter going back 20 years forever.
You know, they've been doing this a long time.
These are talking points of liberals.
And it just sounds really funny when it's coming directly out of the church.
That's why they talk about peace so much.
And this Bishop Varden, who they, you know, they are kind of grooming him as a conservative at the beginning.
He's just very flowery, sort of impenetrable.
But yeah, he was going out about peace a lot.
The reason that Leo talks about peace all the time and that Bishop Varden is doing the Leo speech against weaponization and instrumentization, meaning like he said to the bishops in Spain, you know, we don't want them instrumentalizing.
We don't want them to have any agency.
When they say peace, they mean pacifism.
They mean you can't have agency.
You can't have victory.
You can't win.
You can't fight.
That's what they want.
And so Bishop Barden's going on about peace.
We must insist this now, where the gospel is somehow deployed as a weapon.
Don't instrumentalize Christian language.
I see it all here.
Because peace is not the promise of ease.
It's a condition for transformed society.
They go on about peace constantly.
It has to be everything that they say.
So it's a spiritual danger to have anger, he says in this talk here.
Well, Thomas Aquinas has said, if you have righteous anger and you fail to act on it, it's a good inclination, and that's a sin.
But in Leo's church and Bishop Barden's Lenten retreat, anger is always wrong.
Anger is always a sin.
So, yeah, it's all one church.
It's all being treated the same way.
You know, even as the head of the German bishops leaves, he's against populism.
He's against, which is Catholicism.
I mean, that's part of the populist effort, the Catholic effort.
And also here, he talks about how this great union between body and soul and how, you know, they're trying to teach us that the evil that is part of human nature needs to be sort of embraced because of the oneness, sort of like they want to do with the unity here.
And it's a lot of blathering in this thing.
But, you know, and then one part here, he says that these like the legionnaires of Christ, these really perverted orders.
Maybe we just, you know, I don't know.
We can never catch them all.
There's very give up on what's doing good.
We can't help it.
Maybe we should have screened better.
Maybe you shouldn't have a whole network of people that are just like this forming orders and being bishops all around the world.