Episode 5165: Georgia Is Still The Railhead Of 2026; What Is JP Morgan Planning Against Trump
Episode 5165 dissects Georgia’s election case, where DOJ filings—led by John Sauer—face skepticism over judicial bias despite strong arguments. Meanwhile, the Save America Act resurfaces via procedural maneuvering, with 80 orgs pressuring Thune to force a Democratic talking filibuster. Trump’s $5B lawsuit against JP Morgan, defended by ex-officials like Francisco and McGahn, sparks ethical debates over ABA rule violations. Gold prices surged from $1,100 to $5,000+ since Bannon’s coverage, underscoring economic volatility amid political warfare. [Automatically generated summary]
No, I think we've had these streaks of populism, never to this example over a personality, but this is a populist movement.
And maybe there's a reason for the populist movement because the left went too far left in some of its rhetoric and there was pushback against it.
But, you know, when I was on the campaign trail as governor with President-elect Trump or the candidate Trump, I never wore a MAGA hat because I never know what it meant.
I don't, listen, when I was governor and mayor, I never let anybody use slogans around me because I think slogans don't say anything.
And we still use the term MAGA without understanding what it is, just like I was subtly called a rhino.
And I still don't know what a rhino is, but it's the terms flung out there so easily.
And this name-calling and immaturity on both sides of the aisle has just got to end.
We've got to get back to statesman-like behavior.
And I'm scared to death at the tomorrow night, Tuesday night, on both what's going to be said at the podium and what the reaction is going to be, because it's everything that goes against my instincts of why I got into public service, first as a city council member who had to deal with snowstorms as a mayor.
And we need to get people who can work together during crisis, whether it be a riot or a snowstorm or a foreign policy issue, which we're having right now.
On the Middle East, according to the Wall Street Journal, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Dan Kaine, and other Pentagon officials, have been warning of the consequences should the United States decide to carry out either strikes or an extended military campaign in Iran.
Officials told the Journal, all options carry risks, but a prolonged campaign in particular could incur significant costs to U.S. forces and munitions stockpiles, complicating the protection of regional partners if Iran is able to retaliate.
President Trump posted a lengthy message to social media denying that General Kaine had raised any concern, saying everything that has been written about a potential war with Iran has been written incorrectly.
He goes on to say he would, quote, rather have a deal than not with Iran.
This is now reporting that the office of Janine Pirro, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, has decided to stop pursuing the case against those six Democratic lawmakers who urged members of the military to not comply with unlawful orders.
That's according to three people familiar with the matter.
The news comes roughly two weeks after a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C. unanimously rejected an attempt by Pierrot to indict the lawmakers over that video.
This is not a moment for Democrats to be good little boys and good little girls and sit there on the House floor and fold their hands over and be nice and quiet and listen to the president.
We keep hearing, you know, let the president have his opportunity to speak freely.
The man who is torching the first 10 amendments to the United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the man who is trying to suppress our freedom of speech, we're supposed to sit there and respect his opportunity to speak to us.
With how many Democrats I am seeing on these phone messages are defecting from the chamber, I am now confident at the National Press Club at the Defiance.org event, we will have more people at that rebuttal than Donald Trump will have in front of him on the House board.
Guess what, Donald Trump?
My crowd size is bigger than your crowd size.
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time, you warned that President Trump was a unique threat to constitutional government.
You also said that you hoped you would be proven wrong.
What gives you hope when you see a moment like tomorrow night and what comes after that as we begin the election cycle for the control of our House and our Senate, the Congress starting next Tuesday night when primaries begin?
Finally, you realize that because the guy's the biggest con artist that there's ever.
I mean, this is a joke that we're even talking about him.
He should have been out in the running one, you know, years ago.
And thanks to Mitch McConnell, who saved him in the second impeachment.
You know, it's a joke.
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And Mitch McConnell will have to live with that for the rest of his life, knowing how he allowed this fool to actually try to maybe topple our government.
It's Tuesday, 24 February, the year of our Lord, 2026.
It is the State of the Union, President Trump's first State of the Union in his second term.
All-day coverage here in Real America's voice.
So when I say all day coverage through in run-up to it, then the coverage during the actual State of the Union itself, and then analysis afterwards and tomorrow, because this is President Trump's one shot to actually address the nation, right?
He may do specials from the as occasion arises on topics of interest from the Oval or other places, but this is where the whole nation, and there should be a pretty big audience of this.
The Democrats are already losing their minds.
They're having counter.
And we're going to be covering some of that.
Seven o'clock, I think they're at the National Press Club.
They're also going to be in the mall.
They've completely lost it, totally unhinged.
You saw Robert De Niro, though.
This is the reason there's been three assassination attempts, three assassination attempts we actually know of.
There's others that have been thwarted earlier, but three that have actually got to the place of actually taking action.
And all three of those, President Trump shot in one of them, only by the grace of divine providence.
Is he still alive and with us?
Almost shot at the golf club.
And then very confusing.
I don't know how this whole excuse that the gate, employee gate was open, they slipped in.
It's not the north entrance because I didn't even know there was a north entrance.
Because of this hate put on by not just the media, but the entertainment industry, the cultural sports, all of it, just completely unloading on President Trump every day.
Not a political discussion, but that he's a danger to the nation and must be taken out.
Cleta Mitchell is going to join me.
We're going to take a short commercial break here.
I want to thank my excellent team here at the war room and, of course, the RAV team in Denver for putting that together, these cold opens, because I get it from the engine room.
And others, I know during the cold opens, your heads are blowing up as they're supposed to.
Because in the information war, you see what we're up against every day, daily.
When we come back, Cleta is from the great state of North Carolina.
And we're going to talk, she's here to talk about a letter they sent to John Thune on the Save America Act.
Also, her work in Georgia as we have this huge hearing on Friday.
And we must, must, must get to the bottom of the 2020 steal.
And we're going to do it in Georgia.
But also, I'm going to talk about the opening clip you saw there from Pat McCrory, the former governor of the Tar Hill State.
Let me be blunt.
Brother, you are a bald-face liar, a bald-faced liar.
President Trump, with the help of Mark Meadows and other great folks down there in 2016, we pulled North Carolina out, I think, by a point, point and a half.
That was the state I was most concerned about as running the campaign.
The Carolinians stood up.
North Carolina stood up and we won.
And Pat McCrory lost the governorship because he's so feckless and hapless and did not embrace President Trump.
And then he came around and begged on his knees, begged for a job.
He's got the gall to sit there and talk about populism and President Trump.
And this is on MSNBC.
Bruce Springsteen, just to top it off in the A-block, Bruce Spring is going to take you out.
Cleta Mitchell will bring you back in, in the war room.
Okay, I want to take our time with this North Carolina and the Cleta situation.
And so Clita's going to join us in a second.
Just hang on.
And the reason is I want to slip Mike Davis in here because I want to lay the predicate.
When you hear the State of the Union tonight, we're going to show you the hyena Democrats.
We're going to show you they're going to be the National Press Club.
I think 25 senators or something that are not showing up and a bunch of the credit.
And in the room itself, they're going to be hooting and hollering, trying to shout him down.
But the biggest problem is like Caesar and Rome.
It's the people around, it's the people around him and these rhino Republicans, like the McCrorys.
Mike Davis is here.
Mike, you got to help me out here.
I don't understand this.
And this is a huge deal because it happened to me, but that's not why it's a huge deal.
It happened to so many, but particularly the president of the United States.
So the president of the United States people have to understand, go back to what Meacham said, what Meacham said in the cold open.
And maybe I play that again with Hoover.
Their term of art now is the unfolding J6, the unfolding J6.
And what they mean by that is everything Cleta Mitchell and the team are doing in Georgia, what the team in Maricopa County is doing, what the team in Pennsylvania is doing to show that the 2020 election could not be certified, impossible to be certified.
And therefore, it would have gotten kicked to the House of Representatives and Donald Trump would have been reelected president.
Now, through divine providence, we all know that it was better that we had those years in the wilderness to kind of build up the forces, both the precinct strategy on one hand and all the think tanks and CRA and all that on the other.
And that the Mike Davis is the world and all these people who were kind of unknown in the first term could kind of rise to become major, huge leaders of this party.
Now, what is happening is they're already having a fight to try to divide up the carcass post-Trump.
There ain't going to be any post-Trump.
They're not going to be any post-Trump.
And so they're doing this nonstop.
One of the things they're doing is that, Mike Davis, you got to help me out here.
President Trump was de-banked.
Now, you're talking a guy, a billionaire with financial obligations on his private business that he hadn't touched in four years as president.
The real estate business is predicated upon leverage.
That's why President Trump feels pretty comfortable with the leverage we have now and negotiating tariff deals, et cetera, because he understands how to use leverage.
JP Morgan debanked him immediately.
And so he sued him for $5 billion of harm and charges.
And I should also note, J.P. Morgan has lied about this consistently for years and years and years.
Jamie Dimon and that lovely crowd over there at J.P. Morgan.
So President Trump sued him.
And so it's shocking enough that a major financial institution would debank a president, Mike Davis, a week after he left the White House.
This is how they tried to kill Trump.
This is how they tried to smother Trump in January 2021.
And the folks in this audience that were there understood how we had to have his back to return because they tried to bankrupt him before they tried to imprison him, before they tried to assassinate him.
If you notice the scale that goes up.
But Mike Davis, in this entire thing, the central law firm, and Davis knows this better than anybody because Davis was working on the confirmations, the confirmations at the Supreme Court.
Mike Davis was behind the scenes working for Grassley.
Mike Davis was the number one guy for these confirmations and particularly, then went to work for Gorsuch, but particularly for Kavanaugh, which hung by a thread.
There was a meeting that hung by a thread and Mike Davis and these guys dug in hard.
And ladies and gentlemen, that's how you got the opinion, the minority opinion that laid out the roadmap for tariffs that you will hear tonight in the state of the union.
If Kevin had gotten approved, you were not going to get that.
So Mike Davis, the law firm of Jones Day, which Don McGahn was the White House counsel, Jones Day was essentially the law firm for the first Trump term.
No Francisco, correct me if I'm wrong.
He's solicitor general.
You've got Don McGahn is the White House counsel, which outside the Attorney General is the most powerful thing.
I think he got, I don't know, 20 Jones Day partners in the administration.
They're representing JP Morgan.
Please tell me in modern America how this works, how a law firm that was your law firm and had all these government from Solicitor General to the White House counsel is taking the side of JP Morgan to oppose President Trump's suit.
You know, I've been around Washington for a long time, Steve, and I don't get shocked by anything.
This one shocks me.
My jaw dropped.
I couldn't believe that Jones Day was going to be adverse to Donald Trump in any litigation matter, particularly on a litigation matter involving lawfare against President Trump, where J.P. Morgan tried to debank him.
Now, if you go look at the ABA model rules, model rule 1.9A, it says a lawyer who has formally represented a client in a matter shall not thereafter represent another client in the same or substantially related matter in which that person's interests are materially adverse to the interest of the former clients,
unless the former client gives informed consent confirmed in writing.
I doubt President Trump would give informed consent to have Jones Day be adverse to him in the JP Morgan case.
Maybe there was some sort of waiver in a prior legal representation.
I just doubt it.
And I guess the issue is when you're using, if you're representing President Trump as a law firm and you know his mindset, you know where his strengths and weaknesses are, you know how far he he'll push or get pushed on negotiations and you have his confidential information, you're on a very dangerous,
treacherous path as a law firm if you are taking clients adverse to that client.
And so I would say to Jones Day, you have plenty of clients.
You have plenty of business.
You may want to step back and think about this one to make sure that you're not even close to crossing that ethical line.
I like Don McGann a lot.
I don't think Don's involved on this particular matter.
I've heard that Noel Francisco may be on this matter.
Remember, Noel Francisco was President Trump's Solicitor General of the United States.
Noel Francisco, who I think did an incredible, and I'm not a lawyer, but I thought he did an incredible job as Solicitor General.
If you look at Conway, Kellyanne Conway's husband, the guy that's so nuts and such a Trump hater that says I was a Trump supporter, he's now running for Congress.
Thank you for jury nettlesting.
One of the true haters.
He wanted to be solicitor general.
And somebody made the case, hey, look, dude, I don't think you've ever arrived.
You're an MA lawyer.
You've never argued in court.
We need somebody.
And they picked Francisco because he was so good.
In what universe can Noel Francisco actually be listed on the team, be listed on the JPMorgan team?
He was his solicitor general.
Nobody knows more of the thinking of President Trump and kind of the negotiating style of President Trump and his mindset than his solicitor general does it.
Yeah, I mean, this just looked really bad for Jones Day.
Yeah, again, even if there's not a technical violation, and that is very, very, very fact-specific, it just looks bad.
And the other problem is, you have confidential information.
So if they're using President Trump's confidential information that Jones Day obtains when President Trump was a client, you have problems, not only under Rule 1.9, you have a problem under Rule 1.6.
And under Rule 1.10, that conflict, if Jones Day has a conflict, it's imputed to every lawyer in the law firm.
And so you're, I don't think you're going to be able to put up a Chinese wall in the law firm without President Trump's consent.
It's his White House counsel, which folks should understand.
The White House counsel is involved in everything.
It's one of the most like OB directors.
It's one of those jobs a lot of people don't know about.
It represents the office of the presidency, not an individual.
Office of president McGahn knows everything.
And look, I like Don McGahn a lot.
He gets crushed with a lot of things, but he did so much good work in the campaign and then in the early years.
But, Mike, I want to pivot.
I want to let's talk about, and I'd like to hold you through if we have to, just a second of the break.
We have to talk about a very dark secret that's the reality in this town.
You see, and Cleta's going to be on here in a second.
We were very concerned about this hearing or this trial in Georgia on Friday.
It was not staffed properly.
And it turns out they put some heavy guns over DOJ.
But Judge Denine, there's all these things Judge Denine can't go forward with the six traders because, and it's because of staffing.
We don't have enough bodies in Maine Justice.
We only got 14 or 15 of the U.S. attorneys.
You know, you're working every day to come up with names of people that can go.
And the reason is the Joan Day, the Jones Days of the World have put the word out that if you work in Trump's second term, and particularly working in Maine justice, U.S. attorney, your career in big law, big conservative law is over, sir.
Well, I don't know if Jones Day specifically has said that, but that's certainly what the word going around to these attorneys.
But, you know, frankly, if you have so-called Republican or conservative attorneys who don't want to go serve because of that reason, then I don't want them to serve anyway because they're cowards and they're going to cuck out like these so-called Republican attorneys always do.
When it becomes heated, you want people who are bold and fearless in these jobs.
You want the Amel Bovis in these jobs and not the no Franciscans.
Okay, let me make sure of nomenclature because we're talking too much inside Washington baseball, but this is important for this audience to understand.
Jones Day is a massive international law firm.
It's traditionally had a more of a conservative bent.
So it's Jones Day, just like Manette Phelps on the West Coast or Wachtel Lipton on Wall Street, the big M ⁇ A firm, or Kirklin Ellis out in Chicago, which is kind of Obama's, was the Obama's Obama's law firm.
So Jones Day was essentially, Cleta Mitchell, I'll bring you in here.
Jones Day was basically the law firm.
And this happens in a lot of administrations where you've got a kind of a lead law firm and a bunch of partners or people that want to be partners come into the government.
In these roles, White House Counsel is one, it's like director of OMB.
These are the jobs that may not have be super high visibility, but they are some of the most important jobs in the government.
Solicitor General, over in Maine Justice, the two super important that is the Office of Legal Counsel, which writes the fairness opinions on all the executive orders to make sure the executive orders are constitutional will stand up against Supreme Court scrutiny.
This is why in what they call the travel ban that Miller and I worked through and President Trump knew, he says, hey, this thing's going to withstand the Supreme Court.
We had an Office of Legal Counsel opinion.
And guess what?
Hello, besides what the media, you know, lighting their hair in fire, it withstood it because Office of Legal Counsel did it.
Solicitor General represents the government at the Supreme Court and is the trial lawyer that basically makes the case.
John Sauer, who I think John did a very good job.
And I think that's the opinion that Kavanaugh gave us the roadmap to how to really take and give Trump, President Trump, really amazing powers and confirm those powers on tariffs.
John Sauer from Missouri, who's done such a great job in working with President Trump in the years in the wilderness, John Sauer is the Solicitor General.
These are major positions.
Jones Day partner, Noel Francisco, who I thought Noel did a great job as Solicitor General, was the partner there.
He's now listed on the JP Morgan team.
You got Dom McGans not listed, but Don McGinnis.
I just don't understand.
I know the lawyers, particularly in D.C., are good about these conflicts, but Clita, and here's the deeper problem.
It's not just they're coming after President Trump with the law firm that represented the first term, is that the audience wants Georgia done.
They want to get, you know, not have the ballots go back.
We want to perp walk Brennan and all the deep state.
The thing that's holding us up is not the will and not the direction to get this done.
It's basically having the legal talent to do it.
I mean, Cleta and the folks down in Georgia right now that are working are not officially into the government because guess what?
Maine justice has very few people.
And Emma Bovey went and is now on an appeals court because they think Emma Bovey could be a guy that may be tapped for the Supreme Court.
And that's a huge loss.
You have very few people at Maine Justice.
We're basically hanging on by our fingertips over there.
And I'm not trying to defend or make excuses for Pam Bondi, but here's the reality with Todd and Pam and that whole crew.
They can't get a ton of talent in because the big legal community has said, no, if you're going to work for the Trump term, we want to represent corporate America, right?
And you're not going to have a career here.
So whether you want perp walks of the deep state or you want to get to the bottom of what the CIA has been doing, you want to get to the bottom of all this, you need legal talent.
Judge Denine is not somebody that throws in the towel easily.
I think that, and I'm not saying she's throwing the towel over there.
I think it's fake news.
But if it does have a scintilla of truth, it's because of the simple fact she doesn't have enough legal talent over there.
Because I've read too many of the papers that have been written by the lawyers that they have and DOJ.
And I'll give you an example.
You know, Harmie Dillon, the Civil Rights Division, they've sued all these states.
I think they've sued 26 states for their voter roles under the Civil Rights Act.
Federal statute, black letter law says that the Attorney General may request and shall be given, black letter law, shall be given any election records, period.
That's what it says.
And it says that in the Civil Rights Act, it says that in the Federal Election Records Act.
Okay, they sue all these states.
You've got 27, 28 states that have refused to turn over their voter rolls.
One, I looked the other, I looked it up the other day.
The 26 states that they have sued, 23 of those states belong to something called ERIC, the election registration, electronic registration information clearinghouse.
It is a left-wing organization.
It only exists not to claim voter roles, but states pay money.
It's actually quite brilliant on the part of the founder.
And so, you know what they do?
All these states, 23 of those states belong to ERIC.
And you know what they do?
They turn over not just the voter roles, but they turn over driver data that is forbidden under federal law to be turned over to any non-governmental entity.
And so you ask, I said, why are you not arguing that these same states that refuse to follow the federal statute and turn over these documents, these records to the Attorney General as required by federal law, all these states say, we're not going to turn over a personality?
What I am saying is that they're not making the arguments they need to be making.
I ask the question, why don't you go into court and say, Your Honor, they won't turn those things over to us, but they're turning them over to a left-wing group.
And you know, I was told, oh, we're not allowed to make that argument.
And because we were very concerned, as you remember, the last couple of weeks, this is why we had Harry McDouglan and other people in Georgia that were specialists in this case and knew it.
We were quite concerned about this.
You are happy with what they represented last week and filed.
Okay, but let's let's let's go.
And that's specific.
And I look, I agree with you.
There's not enough going on, but my argument is not enough going on because they don't have the depth of talent.
You're arguing that you don't think the political will.
And if that's the case, then we'll send this clip to the president and make sure he has a chat with people because he's definitely got the will and is very focused on this and make sure he sees all your clips.
So talk to me about, let's talk before Thun, because we're going to talk about lack of will there.
Talk to me about Georgia.
Are you happy with the government's response and the team that came together on the government's response?
And are we even going to trial on Friday or is the judge going to dismiss it?
Yes, I am very happy with the pleadings that they filed.
They filed two papers in response to the pleadings, the petition filed by the county commissioners and the Board of Elections, who don't even have custody and control the ballots and election materials.
Those are under the custody and control of the court clerk.
And so the first thing that the DOJ argued, they did go in, and I've made a pest of myself to the point that somebody at DOJ finally said in response to me said, What is wrong with you, Cleta?
I said, What is wrong with me is I'm worried that you guys are not fighting and I want you to fight.
So they have, and I give them full credit.
They brought in lawyers.
They've had some people who are not even in the criminal division, but who've stepped in to help them.
And you mentioned John Sauer and others.
I have a huge amount of respect for John Sauer.
He's a true, he's a true conservative, true MAGA conservative, and a great lawyer.
Now, but let me ask you, given the overwhelming response, because they put senior Maine justice people on this, given the overwhelming blowout of the water response, why is this even a thing?
How come this judge is not dismissing it?
Well, it appears now we are going to go to either hearing or you call it a trial on Friday, correct?
In Georgia, this has not been shut down by the judge?
But what happened was the Department of Justice came in and filed.
First, they filed the response to, they filed a really thorough response on the factual issues.
And then they came in and filed another motion, which was to say, hey, why are we even having this evidentiary hearing?
This is highly unusual, totally improper.
And so they really did come in and they asked the judge to cancel the evidentiary hearing and made a very good pleading with lots and lots of citations.
I think the most hilarious or most ironic part is they cited the 11th Circuit case when President Trump had gone in in the Mar-a-Lago raid case and tried to get, tried to do what the Fulton County plaintiffs are trying to do.
And the 11th Circuit said, no, you can't do that.
So they're fighting.
So now the Department of Justice, Trump's Department of Justice, is citing that case as the reason why Fulton County can't have its way here, which I thought was pretty ironic.
But no, the Department of Justice has stepped up.
They've done a really good job.
But look, I've been reading these cases and orders and watching these judges, both state and federal, in Fulton County, Georgia for five years.
And I can just tell you that there's something in the water down there.
And who knows what this judge will do?
I have, you know, you just never know what these judges there.
I don't know what's wrong with them, but that's a problem with a lot of people.
They're protecting a Republican apparatus that knows these things are being stolen and going along with it.
Let me pivot.
And I'm going to hold you through the break because I got to do more quarry in North Carolina.
This letter to John Thun, one of the reasons I think if you, if you could argue, they got a lack of will over at Justice is the people that confirmed them have a real lack of will in the U.S. Senate.
Well, 80 organizations signed a letter to Jon Thun, which was delivered yesterday.
You can find it on EI Watchdogs, which is the Election Integrity Network, Twitter, X location, whatever.
And basically, this third paragraph is the most important.
It basically says to John Thune: look, here's one thing everybody needs to understand.
We have work been working really hard to educate ourselves and a few others, the leaders, anybody who wants to, about these Senate rules, because we want to know how it is that these senators utilize these rules to avoid voting, to avoid doing real work, to avoid legislating.
And so when we passed, when Chipperoy and Mike Lee came up with the idea of doing the Save America Act, and what they did was it was put into a bill that stripped out a bill that had already passed the Senate, a Rick Scott bill.
And so took all the content out of it and put in it, put in that Senate vehicle, that bill, the content of the Save America Act.
So now then it has gone back to the Senate from the House, not as a House bill, but as a Senate bill returning to the Senate, which means that Thin can call that up at any time and it can proceed to the immediate consideration.
Tony Lyon is going to join us later at Maha event in Austin on Tuesday, on Thursday, we're going to cover.
Plus, the State of the Union all night tonight.
I'll be with you the entire time until we do a wrap-up afterwards with analysis.
I do believe the speech is not going to be short.
So let's say that.
I think it will clearly go at least through an hour.
President Trump, I think, is going to go through a detailed analysis of not just simply what he's accomplished, but why he's accomplished it and what it looks like going forward.
This will be his chance to address the nation, his biggest chance to address the nation before the midterms, traditionally.
And like I said, he's coming here on Friday to Corpus Christi.
We will cover that live.
I think actually the event itself will be during our five o'clock show.
So looking forward to doing that.
I'm going to get Cleta back up here in a second.
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Clita, the John Thun.
Okay, is this just Senate voodoo?
Are we playing the games of the kind of insiders?
Talk to me about how is this legitimate?
You can actually take a bill, strip it out, put this in as a Senate bill.
And if that's the case, why is John Dune got him on?
Why is he calling back today and pass the thing before President Trump's State of the Union?
If you talk to the war imposse, if you talk to the base out there, if you talk to just average Republicans, this is the priority of the Save America because of the voter ID, you know, these diminished requirements on mail-in ballots on cleaning up the voter rolls and particularly voter ID is top of mind.
And people are infuriated with the Senate for not just going to a standing or talking filibuster, which the president keeps passing.
So if you've got this special magic, why are we not using the special magic ma'am?
But that he, if he moves for a uh clutch vote to go to 60 votes to cut off debate instead of having a filibuster, then that is everyone just needs to know that that is he's intending intentionally killing the bill.
He doesn't have to do that.
This is a two-step process.
Step one, because of the weights come back from the House, it can go immediately to the floor on a motion to proceed, and it only takes 51 votes to do that.
He's got those 51 votes.
But then what happens is make them have the filibuster, make the Democrats come down and talk.
And that's what they're afraid of.
I mean, that's apparently what Thun is afraid of.
And he has these other bills he wants to bring up: the farm bill, the highway bill.
No, nothing.
Yes, we need to get DHS reopened.
We absolutely need to get that done.
But this should be part of the negotiations.
The motion to proceed allows this bill, the Save America Act, to come to the floor.
You talked about the insider games that they play in the Senate to keep from having to do anything.
And we want him to know, we want all of our Republican senators to know that just saying they're going to vote for the bill, that's huge and we appreciate it.
But now we want them to make the Democrats actually engage in the talking filibuster and they'll give out.
They'll be exhausted after a few days or a week.
And that's fine.
And then when they quit talking, which they will at some point, then the bill can be considered with 51 votes and passed.
If we have 51 votes, because I think McConnell will work against it.
Anyway, hang on for a second.
I want to play, you know, and I think the Hill newspaper today has an article talking about this coming together of these groups to basically say we're going to work.
These are Republicans.
They're going to wait out Trump and we're going to retake the Republican Party.
We're going to get rid of MAGA.
We're going to get rid of the populist nationalists.
All Trump's just a bad dream, a summer storm that's passing through.
Let's play.
Can we play McCrory again?
Because this guy's a beauty.
Let's play him dumping on President Trump on MSNBC.
No, I think we've had these streaks of populism, never to this example over a personality, but this is a populist movement.
And maybe there's a reason for the populist movement because the left went too far left and some of its rhetoric and there's pushback against it.
But, you know, when I was on the campaign trail as governor with President-elect Trump or the candidate Trump, I never wore a MAGA hat because I never know what it meant.
I don't, listen, when I was governor and mayor, I never let anybody use slogans around me because I think slogans don't say anything.
President Trump pulled it out, I think with a point point a half.
North Carolina in 16.
And that's the one I was most concerned about.
Meadows and his wife told us early enough, we got this, that last 10 days we could go focus on crashing the blue wall, which delivered the victory, the historic victory.
McCrory lost.
He's bragging about not wearing a MAGA hat.
You got your ass kicked by Cooper, dude.
You're a bolt.
And then he came.
He came to Trump Tower and on his knees begged for a job.
I'm a populist.
I so much believe in make America great again.
President-elect Trump is just amazing.
This guy, what he knows.
Cleta Mitchell, where do people go get you, ma'am?
We'll have you back on tomorrow as we run up to Georgia.