Episode 5121: The Only Way To Victory Is Not Caving An Inch
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To the media, the pundits, and the talking heads, to the protesters on the streets and their political friends here in the halls of power.
We know who you are.
We know what you care about.
It's not humanity or empathy or compassion.
It is raw power.
And we know what you do with that power.
And we've seen what you do with that power.
The empty chair at the Riley family dinner table is the cost of what we paid for your power.
And it's our patriotic duty to ensure you never get close to power again.
Let me say this also to my friends and colleagues in my party.
Don't give these people an inch.
Don't fall for their moral blackmail.
Don't let them negotiate or squirm their way into killing the president's mass deportation agenda.
The American people support it.
Don't let them talk you into believing that this is about justice.
That's not what they care about.
You know what I care about?
I care about Americans.
I care about the people who are risking their lives in the freezing cold to enforce our laws rather than the ones who are hell-bent on breaking it.
I care about the people who are trying to get these kinds of monsters who rape and murder our daughters out of our country rather than the ones who want to put their bodies on the line to keep them here.
Thursday, 5 February in the Ervil or 2026, honored to have Senator Eric Schmidt.
Senator, why is it that we're not hearing more of what you pounded on the Senate floor yesterday?
Now we need to come together, not just as a party, not just as a MAGA movement, but as a country and to basically talk the truth and talk in brutal fact as you did yesterday.
Why is that not happening more on Capitol Hill, sir?
Last week, when we got back here, I did feel like, you know, maybe that some people were more interested in negotiating with the Democrats to make ICE officers' jobs harder.
That's not going to happen.
So last week, I went on the Senate floor twice.
This week did it again.
We're rolling out our own proposal.
Like, if the Democrats want to talk about this, that's fine.
But guess what?
We end sanctuary cities then, right?
We're not giving them an inch.
We should end sanctuary cities.
I've got a bill that would make increase the penalties for illegal entry and illegal re-entry.
Let's defund these NGOs and let's protect our ICE agents by stiffening the penalties.
That's the kind of stuff people want.
That's the kind of fighting spirit we need to have right now.
There's just no way, and I want to assure your audience, the Democrats have created this problem.
They let 15 to 20 million people in here illegally.
And yesterday, when on the floor, that clip you played to talk about the American daughters who've been victimized by these monsters who came across and invaded our country.
And I think we have to stiffen our spine, Steve, right now.
This is a very important moment, not just in the news cycle, but for our country and our civilization.
We're either going to side with law and order or we're going to side with chaos.
The Democrats are hell-bent on importing millions and millions more people here legally.
We have to be that bulwark that stops it.
And so I'm continuing to bang that drum.
I do think more and more people are seeing it that way, but we're going to find out.
We got a two-week window here now where the Democrats want to enter into this fake negotiation.
My perspective is no more phony deals.
What they really want to do is kneecap ICE and have de facto amnesty, and we shouldn't have anything to do with that.
Just before I got to ask you some questions about that, before we do that, it's no doubt in your mind President Trump won a mandate from the American people in November 2024 on this very topic, sir?
And I actually think, Steve, and you know this better than anybody, the electrical cord that connects when he came down the escalator to this very moment was him bring not only bringing up the issue of illegal immigration, but saying I'm the guy that's going to fix what Joe Biden did in this country.
I was with him a lot on the campaign trail and his travel stops.
There were two main themes that he would always talk about, which was dealing with the inflation issues and the tariffs were part of that.
The expert class has been wrong about that, as we've seen, as he's rebalancing that equation.
But then also immigration.
And I would also say, and I've tried to make a point of this too, it's not just illegal immigration.
We have a legal immigration problem in this country.
We've seen the abuse with H-1B.
We've seen the abuse with OPT.
We're effectively displacing American workers.
We're displacing American students.
I think that's the next wave here.
But right now, in this conversation about DHS, we're talking about enforcement.
And I 100% agree with you that this is foundational for our movement.
This issue, this is a home game for us, and we should treat it like that.
That they want to meet mass migration with mass deportations.
And if you look at the polling, does it pull a little bit higher to say we're going to get rid of these hardened criminals and send them back?
Yes.
But it's also a vast majority, especially of Republicans, but including the general public, they want to deport people who've come here illegally.
And I think they saw what would happen.
I mentioned in that speech, we've seen what the Democrats will do with power, and we can't let that happen again.
But while we are in power, we ought to do something about it and prove to the American people that we are worthy of their trust.
And I think President Trump has crystallized that issue better than anybody.
You know, Pat Buchanan, of course, was talking about it 30 years ago.
You've been talking about it.
But President Trump was able to win two elections now in office to get in to take on this issue.
And we can't let the Democrats sort of deal this away with these ideas that may seem somewhat innocuous, but their intention really is to limit the ability of ICE to do their jobs.
This is an issue that we have, now we have to be unafraid to talk about it and we have to be unafraid to make the case.
But the American people are with us on this.
We can't be, you know, we can't be weak here.
And I think what we say is this has been isolated.
Here's the other thing that gets lost a little bit too.
In the One Big Beautiful Bill or the Working Families Tax Cut that we passed last summer, we frontloaded all this money for ICE.
We frontloaded tens of billions of dollars for detention centers.
We frontloaded tens of billions of dollars for deportation efforts, for bonuses.
There have been 200,000 people, Steve, apply to be ICE agents in this country.
So what you see is this groundswell of support among real Americans, you know, in my state and other places who understand, like who have common sense, who want to tackle this.
We can't yield to it.
So basically, here's what happens.
If this CR expires next Friday or whenever it is, ICE is going to have their money.
The only money that's not going to flow is to FEMA and to TSA.
So we do have the leverage here.
There's no reason in the world for us to capitulate to the Democrats' demands.
I think we say, hell no, we've got our own proposals.
They're not going to want to do those.
But if they want to defund FEMA and they want to defund TSA, that's going to be on them.
So I think we actually have the leverage.
If we play our cards right, if we do not, you know, if we're not weak and try to cut some deal with the Democrats, again, whose only purpose here is to defang any attempts to enforce our immigration laws.
I mean, we just got to make sure, which is why I keep going to the Senate floor and why I'm banging this drum.
I've seen this.
I saw this.
Look, Ferguson's in my backyard.
I was attorney general in 2020 with the George Floyd riots with the Soros prosecutor in my backyard.
I've seen this play before.
I know what they do.
They try to take an incident.
They're trying to create these confrontations, Steve, to have some viral moment so that we lose our will to do what the American people sent us to do.
And we can't do it.
I think we're really at a critical point in our country where the American people have given us this mandate to go do it.
And I think if we fail at this, it'd be catastrophic for our movement and for the country, because we have to be the ones that say no.
A country that can't say no can't say yes to anything that's important.
And I think that's where we're at right now.
So what I've tried to do is provide some experience.
When I was AG, we fought the Biden administration every turn on their mass migration agenda.
We were successful for a while.
I wrote about that in the book, The Last Line of Defense.
We were successful for a while holding that off.
But ultimately, what was proven was that laws on the books that aren't enforced don't mean much.
So we have laws on the books that if they are enforced, you see right now a secure border that we have, but we have to move forward with the agenda of deportations.
And that's what I tried to say in the darkest moment in a Senate lunch last week.
Well, I don't want to darkest moment, but when maybe some people were willing to, By the way, not knowing things like this idea of having judicial warrants would absolutely grind to halt deportations.
We have warrants right now.
They're called administrative warrants.
These are Article II powers for civil removal.
That's what they're doing.
And by the way, that's what's happened, Steve, for decades.
But it shows you the Republican and Democrat presidents alike.
So for a solid year while he ran for president, Donald Trump promised pretty much every day that he was going to lower costs on day one, on day one, if he was elected.
Those were his words, not mine.
So Secretary Bessington, you are one of the president's top economic advisors.
Let's just start with a little truth telling about the Trump economy one year in.
Affordability is the top concern for Americans across the country.
Donald Trump has called affordability, I want to get this right, a hoax.
Senator, it may be a bit nuance for you, but what President Trump is referring to is the media saying that the affordability crisis was generated by this administration when it was you and President Biden who destroyed the buying power of the American people.
So there is an affordability crisis, and you were front and center in it.
He is the most principled and skilled Secretary of the Treasury, perhaps since Alexander Hamilton, who we mentioned earlier.
He also clearly has the patience of Job that he is able to tolerate that kind of harangue from an Antifa Karen like Elizabeth Warren.
And when it comes to this issue of affordability, he's exactly correct in stating we don't want to hear about fire safety from the arsonists, the very arsonists who lit the inflation inferno in the first place.
As a matter of fact, thankfully, Secretary Bessett, President Trump, others are doing yeoman's work in addressing this affordability crisis, largely through deportations, as we also cited earlier.
But again, the problem was created on the watch of Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren.
They don't now get to grandstand and lecture to a brilliant man, a brilliant leader like Scott Besson about how he should solve it when they caused the problem in the first place.
Look, nothing has changed in terms of the fundamentals.
It's definitely been a volatile start to the year for precious metals, but quite frankly, it's somewhat welcome.
Silver had run 150% last year.
Gold was approaching 70%.
You know, when we see sort of step backs like this, I think it creates a stronger floor.
So we're very much encouraged.
Like I said, nothing has changed in terms of the fundamentals.
Some comments on what we just listened to.
It was frustrating to say the least, but I think very clearly she was just trying to put Besson into a trap.
It is very obvious you don't get 25% cumulative inflation by accident.
That is years of bad policy, spending explosions, money printing, energy shocks, and rate suppression under a Biden and Warren sort of worldview.
So it's an absurdity to try and put it on the shoulders of President Trump after 12 years while inflation is 12 months rather, while inflation has been coming down.
It's an absurdity, and it's clearly trying to put Besson into a word trap.
Besson is so far and above these guys when it comes to the economy.
They're doing a fantastic job, as everybody knows.
It frustrates me to have to listen to those cold openings.
I mean, even on days like today to do that, shows you how much he cares about this audience.
Okay, John Solomon, you wrote an amazing piece.
We had Schmidt up.
I want you to walk through this thing about the Senate because Schmidt said, hey, we can't back off one inch.
When they put the judicial warrants in there, you just realize they're not serious people.
Cortez made a very compelling point that the self deportations, the $2 million that President Trump had in the first year, is one of the reasons that affordability, particularly in real estate prices and rents, are coming back.
Give us your thought, your piece.
Are we going to get this done in the Senate this week?
The whip count is that they have the votes to pass this combined bill, this bill that takes citizenship check at registration and voter ID at voting as the ultimate trust factor in American elections.
It's something we do every day, right?
We have to show our license when we get on a plane, when we get a pack of bear at the store, when we go to the bar, or when we pick up our tickets at Will Call at a baseball stadium, certainly for the most precious right we have in America to vote to control our democracy and to have a voice in our Constitutional Republic.
You're saying as a predicate, hang on, a predicate to everything, the Save Act, the Save America Act, and Make America Great Again, or make elections great again.
John Salma's with us for a couple of minutes where he's got a bounce.
John, on night, you know, besides, I keep saying, hey, you're going to have to have ice around these polling booze because we're not going to have another election stolen.
They are really concerned that Tulsi Gabbard is poking around.
So let's explain what I think could happen.
Georgia ballots already been seized.
I think you will see a similar type operation soon in Arizona, two battleground states where there were reviews and prior concerns.
And now the FBI is going to look to see whether election officials lied to conceal the flubs and failures and mistakes of those election workers.
Separately, the reason that Tulsi Gabbert was down in Georgia is that there is a belief that what the intelligence community has been digging up on election integrity could be connected to what happened downstream in battleground states like Georgia and Arizona.
That is a profound statement.
Let me try to walk you through what we used to know and what we know now.
We were told by Chris Ray and other officials after the 2020 election, we had a perfect election, there were no major foreign intrusions or foreign attempted intrusions in the 2020 election.
I pretty quickly debunked that about a year later when I reported that Iran actually had hacked into a battleground state's registration system and downloaded more than 100,000 identities and was using them.
Eventually, two guys got indicted in Manhattan.
That's a really significant intrusion.
That was not what Chris Ray told us.
Then we learned from Kash Patel a couple of months ago that China was sending driver's licenses into the United States in 2020 in hopes that they could be used to create fake ballot registrations.
That is a second really significant intrusion.
Both of those are run contrary to what Chris Ray and other Homeland Security officials gave us as statements during the time.
I believe that the President of the United States is soon going to be briefed by Tulsi Gabbert and other intelligence officials based on my reporting about additional intrusions, significant large-scale intrusions into various forms of our election system.
Now, I'm not talking about getting a machine and flipping the vote, but maybe getting enough of state voter databases that a foreign power could work with people on the ground in the United States to fill out fake registrations for people who were on dirty voter rolls.
Those licenses that were sent into Chicago were going to be used to make absentee ballot applications, according to the FBI predicate.
By the way, Chris Ray's FBI didn't look at that.
They shut it down.
If a foreign power was that far into the election databases of state systems that they could figure out what driver's licenses to send here, the next question becomes, who were they working with on the ground?
Who was going to file those ballot requests?
I think that's why Tulsi Gabbert was down in Georgia, why you might see her in Arizona, why the FBI will probably be in Arizona, and why the president's about to get a briefing.
And all of this new information could have a profound effect on the Save America Act, which is, all right, some people say it feels like we're doing an awful lot.
There's not a real problem.
These next revelations, if the president were to declassify him after he gets debriefed on them in the next few days, they could educate senators and House members and give them a greater inspiration to maybe go ahead and do the voter ID and the citizenship check.
That is a big moment.
Tulsi Gabbert and Kash Patel and Pam Bondi are driving this.
It's been below the radar, but they're doing some really big stuff.
Now the president's going to find out what it is.
And then at that point, the opportunity comes to declassify it.
Let's see what it is.
There's one other element to this.
If government officials lied to us after the 2020 election, there's still an opportunity in some of those cases to pursue criminal cases against them.
We'll see where it all comes out.
But that's what's going on in the background of the Save America Act debate right now.
John, if you were in studio right now, I would hug you.
You just got to hit rewind for one.
No, no, hit rewind for one minute.
As you remember better than anybody, we spent, I think, half of 2021 in the great state of Arizona on this issue.
And I know the Arizona Patriots just give me a one-minute summary.
When you said the word Arizona and we were already in Georgia, just give me the one-minute summary of Arizona because I know there's so many war room posse members from the great state of Arizona have been waiting for something to say, hey, what we did, we're not wasting our time.
This is actually being reviewed by senior authority.
Again, I don't think election machines are flipping ballot counts and things like that.
I think that the actual way that the elections were administered were in violation of state law.
And this is very important.
The laws that the Democratic Party created during the Civil Rights Movement and the great Voting Rights Act movement of the 1960s, something that all Americans are proud of, they still apply today.
And those laws say you must, if you're an election administrator, conduct the election consistent with your state rules so that everybody has equal protection in your state.
If Georgia and Arizona didn't do that, if Fulton County and Maricopa County did things that were in violation of state law that created an unfair or unequal election, they could be prosecuted under the Voting Rights Act and other civil liberty laws for that.
I think that's where it's going, that you can't just change your state procedures in violation of your law because that's what you want to do during a pandemic.
That could create criminal cases against election administrators.
And I think that when you look at the search warrant that I got to see from Fulton County this past week, those are the laws that Kash Patel's team cited.
State officials not following their law, therefore creating a fraudulent election.
That's where those two states are being examined right now.
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And, you know, years back, there was a little uneasiness between the religious community, President Trump, you know, what to make of each other.
And it's too hard to explain it right here.
But basically, you know, he has cut through it all.
And the room was just, he was cracking joke after joke.
And the room was just in love with President Trump and what he's been able to do.
And, you know, he got serious.
He said, you know, why do you think I work so hard?
It's because I believe in something.
That's why religion and faith is so important because you got to believe in something.
Why do you get up every day?
What do you do what you do?
So he got, you know, that's it right there.
Why are you on this planet?
And so Trump, you know, people, you know, I'm religious supposedly, and he's not, I don't buy that for a second.
And he, then he goes off on some evidence.
You know, the Bible sales in 2025 were through the roof, up a few hundred percent.
The 20-year-olds up a couple hundred percent going to church.
The Johnson amendment, he took great pride in that.
He said, Some of these ministers were a little weak, weak at first.
He said, They stood up and they, one guy told me, you know, eight, 10 years ago, he says, Well, we're just scared.
If we, if we mention you or politics or endorse you, we lose our church.
We lose our tax exemption.
And so President Trump said, I solved that.
I solved that for him.
And he did.
And then a lot of emphasis in his talk on strength.
He quoted the Bible, blessed are the peacemakers.
And he said, you know, one of the key lines a lot of the religious people like, he says, you know, I'm not a perfect guy.
He says, but I'm here to protect you perfect people.
And boy, that line really resonated.
And he cuts through things, right?
Which would take hours to explain, you know, all the differences in the religions and whatever.
But he just cuts through it on the international front.
Secretary of War, Pete Hegset, sitting out at the end, he referred to him several times.
Other secretaries went across the board with the accomplishments, but Hegset, he really gave a shout out and, you know, taking it to the Nigerian radicals, the herdsmen.
You know, some of it's not religious.
And they took out the evildoers or killing the kids over in Nigeria twice.
And then he referenced other events around the world.
He went through seven of his key peace initiatives and breakthroughs he's made to give the world peace.
He said, people want peace on the streets and the cities.
That's what I'm doing.
People say I'm mean.
People say I'm, you know, that's not, that's not true.
He said, I, uh, I'm trying to provide a good safe cities.
And look at Washington, D.C. Look what I've done across the board.
A little bit, he went off some funny stuff.
You know, I'm the most indicted guy in the world, but that's linked to this election fraud.
And he went there.
He went everywhere in the talk.
It was a superb talk.
You could see some Democrats down there a little fidgety and whatever.
And by the end, they were smiling, laughing, going, I know.
He said, he made a comment that I thought was very at the end, his speechwriter put in when he went back to the glass or went back to the official speech and said, I think blessed are the pure of heart.
And he goes back, he says, hey, I don't know if that's me.
Yeah, well, the evangelical vote, and he referenced it, was 80%, over 80% last time.
So the voting is there, but the fighting and the grassroots work is not there.
But the war room and, you know, the new promising piece he quoted, you know, that the 20-year-olds are up, you know, several hundred percent church attendance faith, and they're the media savvy people.
They're the social media getting stuff to go viral.
And so the parents are learning, I think, from the kids.
And so, but yeah, I don't want to get all rosy scenario.
I don't see it there yet coming from the religious community, and it really ought to be.
The war that they, some people just don't know what's going on, right?
But just look at Minnesota.
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I was with perfect timing too that they after because everyone's going, well, Mike, you only took third.
No, the people say I'm one.
And that's what the people vote, not the, not all these other straw polls.
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