Nov. 26, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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Waru, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| All right, we're here from the Children's Health Defense Conference. | ||
| My name is Claire Dooley. | ||
| I'm a documentary filmmaker. | ||
| And joining me is Jeffrey Tucker of the Brownstone Institute. | ||
| We're going to talk real quick about an update from Trump on the Medicaid debacle that's happening over this weekend. | ||
| Jeffrey, tell us what. | ||
| This is a very important tweet. | ||
| It's the most important thing that I think that's happened since you spoke out about vaccines. | ||
| He's engaged a topic that's really important to Maha. | ||
| So what you see here is the interests of MAGA and Maha are uniting over the issue of healthcare costs. | ||
| So this is a major driving force in American politics today. | ||
| Oh, it's been revealed that the healthcare is costing $27,000 per capita per person for the worst health care in the world. | ||
| And that's before you even use it. | ||
| The system is not working. | ||
| The system is known as Obamacare. | ||
| It's a disaster. | ||
| Everybody knows it's a disaster. | ||
| Nobody likes it. | ||
| The socialists want a single-payer system. | ||
| The Republicans now have a path for an alternative. | ||
| And Trump's laid it out, which is the government needs to give the money that it's spending on Medicare and other billions of dollars for other purposes directly to the consumers. | ||
| Now, this opens up a very important opportunity because once consumers have that money, Republicans should absolutely vote this in tonight. | ||
| Now we've got a problem. | ||
| We've got a throttled medical marketplace. | ||
| We've got defined benefits packages from Obamacare where you're buying lots of services you don't want. | ||
| It's wildly overpriced. | ||
| The prices are going up, which is going to hurt the Republicans. | ||
| People are going to blame the Republicans for this. | ||
| We've got to get those prices down. | ||
| So that means we have to liberalize, pardon the word, the system, free it up and emancipate the consumers to make their own choices in a revived and free, free medical marketplace. | ||
| Well, it would look like open it up to a greater variety of services, not just the defined benefits plans of the federal government's offering, enabling every single American citizen to have an HSA, even if they're not insured, right? | ||
| So you can save money to spend it on health care, and that money can be tax-free and also be invested. | ||
| So you can be liberated. | ||
| Companies need to be free to offer their employees alternatives outside of what the company is offering. | ||
| And workers need to be free to take their health care spending elsewhere. | ||
| If they want to go to a homeopath, that's fine. | ||
| If they want to go to a direct primary care provider, of which there are growing numbers, they should. | ||
| To join some health cooperative, that's great. | ||
| So just give the power to the consumers again. | ||
| And the Republicans can do this with one piece of legislation, but they've got to get visionary and radical and follow what Trump's saying. | ||
| We've got to fix the system. | ||
| And you fix it by bringing competition back to the market process and making doctors and consumers work together without the interconstant intervention of the insurance companies. | ||
| This can happen. | ||
| It should have happened years ago, but I'm just saying Trump has opened up an opportunity. | ||
| He realizes how important this is. | ||
| This is where Maha and MAGA come together. | ||
| Because the fate of health insurance in this company, we don't have a lot of time because the midterms are coming up. | ||
| They've got to move on this right away. | ||
| We need to see evidence of falling prices for health care and improved options for the consumer. | ||
| And this can happen very simply with a very clean piece of legislation, be widely supported in the Senate, especially with Trump's help. | ||
| We shouldn't just continue dumping tons of money into Medicare and trying to make everyone healthier. | ||
| And what's amazing is it all goes to the insurance companies that are getting bigger and bigger and bigger. | ||
| And they have their prescribed ways of dealing with patients. | ||
| And it's not, it's no longer up to the doctor's discretion. | ||
| It's no longer up to the patient who doesn't even know the prices and never even sees the bills. | ||
| The whole thing is crazy. | ||
| The system is unworkable. | ||
| And what I'm telling you is everybody knows this. | ||
| And unless the Republicans need to get busy on change or the Bernie Sanders of this world are going to prevail with his crazy socialism, direct single-payer system, which we know is going to be even worse than what we have right now, right? | ||
| So Trump has given the Republicans an opportunity here to engage all the people at this event. | ||
| And we have a thousand people here, but they represent millions more. | ||
| Tell our viewers about what we're doing, where we are. | ||
| This is called Children's Health Defense, and it's the biggest event they've ever run because the movement is growing. | ||
| Brownstone is here as a kind of provider of intellectual capital goods to the event. | ||
| We have many of our scholars on stage. | ||
| Many of these scholars are people who were canceled from the universities, excluded from the official journals, kicked out of their journalistic venues. | ||
| They used to be healthcare stringers, whatever. | ||
| Brownstone adopted them, has been caring for them and supporting them for four years. | ||
| Now they're on stage driving forward the debate. | ||
| What's so interesting to me about this event, and I've been going to ideological trade shows all my life, right? | ||
| It's always been the left, the right, whatever. | ||
| That is not what's going on here. | ||
| For these parents at this event and for the people at this event, it's about their health and their lives and their freedoms fundamentally. | ||
| And they feel it in a very real way. | ||
| This is not just about abstract ideology. | ||
| This is about their freedoms that they want to exercise. | ||
| They realize that freedom and health and choice all go together. | ||
| This is the essence of every talk you're going to hear on stage at this event. | ||
| And what I'm telling you, and what I've discerned by being here, is that we see being born out of the wreckage of the COVID years a kind of new force in American public life today that's not really the same as the ideological binaries that we left in the past. | ||
| It's something else entirely because it's rooted in real life experience. | ||
| What happened during the COVID period is that the Leviathan, the tyranny, came home, right? | ||
| It interrupted people's ability to educate their kids, to go to worship service, to take medicines that are being prescribed to you by your doctor that your pharmacy is not willing to give you. | ||
| And Pierre Corey was just here, and he's my doctor. | ||
| When I was sick as a dog, he prescribed to me Iver Machin. | ||
| I said, oh, well, I use the pharmacy down the street, the CVS. | ||
| He said, they won't give it to you. | ||
| I said, what do you mean they won't give it to me? | ||
| He said, I promise you, they're part of the system. | ||
| And I said, what system? | ||
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Right? | |
| I didn't know. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| Well, it turns out there is a system, and it's wicked. | ||
| It hates you. | ||
| It hates you. | ||
| It's the sadistic system. | ||
| So we need to dismantle this system. | ||
| What I'm telling you is that what we're seeing at the CHC conference is a new powerful force in American life born out of bitter experience and a determination to live a better, healthier life. | ||
| That's the basis. | ||
| As you were saying that, you actually kind of helped me reminisce. | ||
| You know, I got involved in the health freedom movement over 10 years ago. | ||
| So as a young, you know, budding filmmaker, I was like 15 at the time when I watched the movie Vaxed. | ||
| And what I was just thinking when you were saying that is that for the majority of the past few years, especially since I've been involved the last 10 years, the people who were fighting had injured children. | ||
| Their families were broken. | ||
| They were bankrupted. | ||
| And yet they were still, you know, carrying that cross. | ||
| I mean, they were pulling forward as much as they could every single day, trying to get stuff done, trying to fight for their children, and even just to get recognition for what happened, but also to get compensation, right? | ||
| Like 40% of the adults on the autism spectrum are severely autistic, meaning they cannot speak, they cannot drive a car, they will never have a job. | ||
| What are we going to do for them? | ||
| How are we going to provide for them in the future? | ||
| That's what these parents have been fighting for. | ||
| But now, in the COVID era, I think what we saw happen is that healthy people, people who weren't broken. | ||
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| We realized the food system is broken, the medical system's broken. | ||
| Like everything is conspiring against us. | ||
| We looked all out and we said, you know what? | ||
| Like now it's time for an offense. | ||
| We can't keep going on this defensive route where our children get injured and we're trying to pick up the pieces. | ||
| And there are people who are picking up the pieces. | ||
| That's who children's self-defense is. | ||
| Your child gets injured, you come to them, they're going to help you. | ||
| But we have people like the Brownstone Institute. | ||
| We have people like Maha Institute, Maha Action, who are the offensive. | ||
| I think this offense is really important. | ||
| But the cool thing about children's health defense is that they're not new to this. | ||
| Well, so that's what's interesting. | ||
| But before COVID, children's health defense was not a large organization. | ||
| It was not an organization with a big voice. | ||
| It was an organization to sort of rescue parents and give them a little bit of sanctuary for all the suffering they've gone through. | ||
| But they were way ahead of the game. | ||
| And I've known so many people because a lot of what happened during the COVID year shocked me, right? | ||
| But there's people at this event, it didn't shock them. | ||
| They knew exactly what was going on. | ||
| We had Dr. Sherry Tinpini on. | ||
| She's been in the game for a long time. | ||
| And I was just talking with her. | ||
| We were at the Vi event, which was this big rally in December, November, right before COVID hit. | ||
| And she was talking about vaccine passports and mandates for adults. | ||
| And I remember people, and even myself, I kind of thought she was crazy. | ||
| I was like, well, they're not going to mandate vaccines for adults. | ||
| That would be nuts. | ||
| And then, you know, a couple months later. | ||
| It began with lockdowns in March of 2020, but nobody knew what they were for. | ||
| And I got a call from a guy who was the head of vaccines at the Gates Foundation. | ||
| And he told me what the lockdowns were for. | ||
| He said, we're going to wait until we get a vaccine. | ||
| And I laughed and said that you will never get a vaccine to fix COVID. | ||
| If you do, it won't really be real. | ||
| And I didn't even imagine that. | ||
| Of course, it turns out not to be so. | ||
| But I said, plus, there's no government in the world that is so sadistic that it would keep imposing this on its citizens for that long. | ||
| And he said, well, it's not going to be that long. | ||
| And I said, well, it's going to be probably until after the November election at the very least. | ||
| And I said, you know, I just don't believe it. | ||
| And I hung up the phone and I thought he was maybe just lying to me or something. | ||
| But a lot of people at the time knew exactly what we were waiting for. | ||
| We were waiting for the shot. | ||
| But you remember they said two weeks to flatten the curve. | ||
| It wasn't two weeks to flatten the curve. | ||
| It was eight months to wait for the shot. | ||
| So that was a terrible lie. | ||
| Then the shot comes out. | ||
| It didn't stop transmission. | ||
| It didn't stop COVID. | ||
| And people are still. | ||
| It has negative efficacy, and they're still getting on their 15th booster or whatever. | ||
| And then it turns out to be injurious to people, for a lot of people. | ||
| So when you have something like that happen, what you actually do is generate population-wide loss of trust in everything. | ||
| The government agencies, the insurance companies that went along with this, the media that broadcast all the messaging, the big tech that censored critics, the pharmaceutical companies that took off-the-shelf therapeutics from being available to people. | ||
| The doctors that urged you to get the shots and got paid for it. | ||
| So the trust in all those institutions has collapsed in this country. | ||
| And we have somewhere for those people who've lost trust to go. | ||
| And now we have all these new institutions. | ||
| I mean, CHD is a legacy institution, but now it's reachieving new heights. | ||
| Well, Jeffrey, look, we have about three minutes left. | ||
| I wanted to talk a little bit about philosophically what this conference means to you. | ||
| Yeah, so philosophically, what it's done is it's emancipated me from the old binaries of left and right. | ||
| And I realize there's something wrong with the world we inhabited for the last 75 years where you're given a kind of a vending machine. | ||
| You can be a conservative. | ||
| You can be a liberal. | ||
| You can be a leftist. | ||
| You can be a rightist. | ||
| Or if you're really weird, you can be a libertarian. | ||
| All right. | ||
| The problem with all that apparatus is that it's based on rationalistic abstractions that are basically disconnected to the real experience of people. | ||
| And that was fine for a long time. | ||
| But when COVID hit, we realized that everybody has an interest in freedom. | ||
| And we realize that all of our official institutions are lying to us. | ||
| That is what's birthed this new movement. | ||
| Part of the reason I started Brownstone, it flowed out of the Great Branton Declaration, which is kind of the spiritual child of the Great Branton Declaration, was to bring expertise to bear on the fake science that's being published every day. | ||
| The fake experts, we're bringing the real experts. | ||
| So we're going head to head in an age of science with the fake science and trying to bring real science to it. | ||
| That's how we beat them. | ||
| I saw this happen with the Great Branton Declaration, so I've tried to pick up on that. | ||
| But Brownstone doesn't parade around with flags and ideologies and that kind of stuff. | ||
| What we parade around with is facts and truth, okay? | ||
| And genuine revival of a love of science, as it used to be considered, which was this sort of skeptical look for true things. | ||
| So this is what we're trying to bring back. | ||
| And I think this is the way we beat the bad guys. | ||
| Brownstone's been a real pioneer in this area. | ||
| But I really do think we're entering into a brand new era of public life. | ||
| You hear Jeffrey Tucker, he's calling it a brand new era. | ||
| And I totally agree. | ||
| You can find out more from you, Jeffrey, at brownstone.org. | ||
| And at Children's Health Defense, I think actually Jeffrey comes on CHG TV sometimes. | ||
| You can look at CHG TV to learn more. | ||
| And I am about to introduce to you someone who I've been following for a long time. | ||
| I first want to show you her book. | ||
| It's Zero Accountability and a Failed System, How Big Pharma Weaponizes Vaccines, Public Health, and the Law. | ||
| This is Dr. Sherry Tenpenny. | ||
| She has been a doctor for 30 years in integrative medicine and emergency medicine. | ||
| And she was board certified there. | ||
| But I am wondering, Dr. Sherry Timpini, how did a medical doctor like you end up becoming such a misinformation spreader? | ||
| Oh, great question. | ||
| Well, it wasn't intended to be that way at the beginning. | ||
| You know, I was board certified in emergency medicine. | ||
| I was the director of a level two trauma center for 12 years. | ||
| Moved to Cleveland and started an integrative practice and then went to the National Vaccine Information Center meeting in September of 2000 and came home and said, How did I miss all of this? | ||
| I grew up in a chiropractic family, was not vaccinated at all as a kid. | ||
| I've never had a vaccine ever in my entire life. | ||
| And so it's, I think that's why I'm so healthy nowadays. | ||
| And after I came back from that meeting, I said, maybe I really need to look into this. | ||
| Well, looking into it has turned into 25 years and more than 50,000 hours worth of research. | ||
| So I didn't just wake up one morning and say, gee, I think vaccines are bad. | ||
| I mean, I came to a studied opinion based that vaccines have never been proven to be safe. | ||
| They don't keep you from getting sick. | ||
| They are not necessary. | ||
| And every single one causes harm. | ||
| And so I've been talking about this for 25 years and I've never wavered from that message. | ||
| That's a very bold statement. | ||
| It's one that I would stand by, which is that every single one causes harm, even if you don't know how much harm it would cause. | ||
| Dr. Sherry, what do you say to someone who says, Hey, look, I've had all my vaccines and I'm fine? | ||
| Do you really think you're fine? | ||
| Do you have any idea what's going on at a cellular level in your body from your mitochondria or your ovaries or your brain? | ||
| Or when you were a baby and you got vaccines, did you scream and cry? | ||
| Did your mother ever tell you that? | ||
| Which is a sign of encephalitis. | ||
| And what if your IQ would have been. | ||
| Encephalitis, which is brain damage. | ||
| Brain inflammation. | ||
| And what if your IQ was really meant to be 15 or 20 points higher? | ||
| You would not know that. | ||
| And how would something like a vaccine cause brain inflammation? | ||
| It's the ingredients that are in it that cross the blood-brain barrier. | ||
| You know, children now get multiple doses of 16 or 17 different vaccines, however you count them. | ||
| And with the ingredients that are inside of them, all the aluminum, the foreign proteins that are there, all the different adjuvants and chemicals, there's more than if you get every dose of every vaccine, by the time you're 18 years of age, you'll have almost 12,000 micrograms of aluminum injected, and you will have multiple foreign proteins and more than 100 different chemicals that are injected. | ||
| And when you say foreign proteins, that could also include aborted fetal cell ions. | ||
| That is a foreign protein. | ||
| So you've got cells from monkey kidneys, you've got cow blood, chicken parts, you've got cells from aborted fetal tissue, you've got cells from Chinese hamster ovaries, you've got cells that come from bugs. | ||
| There's also from the from the armyworm that they use to make vaccines for some of the flu shots. | ||
| And so all the different proteins all cause different inflammation and different types of antibodies that can cross-react with your tissues through a process called molecular mimicry that leads to autoimmune disease and neurological conditions. | ||
| So you're saying that we're injecting foreign proteins into people via vaccination, and because that was never, it's never really happened before, right? | ||
| I mean, how is that delivery versus the normal delivery of a pathogen, right? | ||
| Normally you would ingest in some way, you would breathe it in, or it would come in contact with your nose and mouth and eyes versus injecting directly into the muscle. | ||
| You're saying that that could be harmful. | ||
| This is purely speculation, but cancer is on the rise. | ||
| We know that cancer rates are higher than ever. | ||
| In your opinion, do you think that has anything to do with cancer rate spiking? | ||
| Well, for sure, with the COVID vaccines. | ||
| Because the COVID shots, you know, I did Webinar in July of 2021 called the 40 Mechanisms of Injury: How the COVID Shots Can Make You Chronically Sick or Kill You. | ||
| And I divided, so I had 40 different ways that was already published in the medical literature showing the harms that the COVID vaccines could cause and divided it into four categories. | ||
| The first category was sudden death, this big spike of people that died within 48 hours of getting a COVID shot. | ||
| And then the next classification is called, they're now calling them spike opathies that would start within four to five years after your most recent COVID shot. | ||
| The spike opathies are the myocarditis and the kidney disease and pancreatitis and Alzheimer's and all those things. | ||
| The third category was autoimmune disease that I had talked to two immunologists who said, you know, about 10 years from now, we're going to see almost everyone that's had a COVID jab with some level of autoimmune disease. | ||
| Then there's the fourth category of kind of other, and in that other category was this big spike of infertility and this big spike in all kinds of cancers. | ||
| And they even developed a new term for it called turbo cancers that was not even in the medical vernacular before the COVID shots. | ||
| And the reason they call them COVID, COVID, I'm sorry, the reason they call them turbo cancers is because of how fast they onset and how fast they can cause demise. | ||
| It can be with a matter, within it from the time it's diagnosed to the time that people die, it can be a matter of months, weeks, sometimes even days. | ||
| Which in some ways is unprecedented. | ||
| It is absolutely unprecedented. | ||
| And we're seeing all kinds of cancers in children, like 8 to 12-year-old children. | ||
| These are the types of cancers like colon cancer and breast cancer and prostate cancer that you usually see in people 60 years of age and older that are now happening in young people who got the COVID jabs. | ||
| So yes, we know that that's for sure and that the cancer rate is continuing to rise precipitously, particularly in the population of people that got COVID jabs. | ||
| Which, once again, is a crime against humanity. | ||
| I mean, you're telling people this is going to help them. | ||
| You're telling people that this is going to protect them from getting sicknesses or acute infections that then cause long-term chronic health issues. | ||
| I did want to touch on real quick with you vaccines in pregnancy. | ||
| We haven't really talked about this much today, but I am curious. | ||
| I mean, because now most pregnant women will get the flu vaccine. | ||
| They get four vaccines routinely: the flu vaccine, the flu vaccine, the DPT vaccine. | ||
| They will get now an RSV vaccine. | ||
| They were getting COVID shots, and if they're RH negative, they would get a Rhogam shot. | ||
| At least three, right? | ||
| Well, a minimum of two. | ||
| They usually give one around 27, 28 weeks of gestation, then they give a second one either just before birth or just after birth. | ||
| And up until 2004, the Rhogam vaccines still had mercury in them. | ||
| And so that was taken out a long time ago. | ||
| But I'm old enough to remember as a physician that we used to say pregnant women can't even take an antihistamine. | ||
| If you get a cold, tough it out. | ||
| You can't drink a glass of wine, can't eat tuna because there might be mercury in the tuna fish. | ||
| And now we're giving women four to five vaccines while they're pregnant. | ||
| And that does cross the closet across the placenta. | ||
| In fact, part of the thinking of giving people, giving pregnant women a pertussa shot is so that they'll develop antibodies and the antibodies will go across the placenta to protect the fetus when it's born. | ||
| Not thinking about what kind of harm might be given, might be happening to a rapidly developing embryo that we are now kind of like taking a handful of gasoline and throwing it in, a canful of salt and throwing it into your gasoline of what's been happening with a rapidly developing fetus. | ||
| Dr. Sherry, what you're talking about is incredibly dark. | ||
| It's also incredibly science-heavy and medical-heavy. | ||
| Medical terminology, it's pretty heavy. | ||
| I want to, before we head out, I want to talk to our viewers about the importance in arming yourself with information. | ||
| The woman sitting next to me is an incredible wealth of information. | ||
| So, whenever you tell a family member or your employer or whoever it is, hey, I'm making the decision I don't want to vaccinate, and they say, Hey, listen, you're not a doctor, we'll be like, Well, Dr. Sherry Tenpenny's no, but seriously, you guys need to check out her website. | ||
| You guys need to get connected with her. | ||
| The way that we activate the way that we move forward in making America healthy again is in arming ourselves with the correct information, the right information, and ultimately helping people have informed consent. | ||
| Dr. Sherry, we have two minutes left. | ||
| Please give us any final thoughts and let us know where we can find your information. | ||
| Well, one of the most important things that you can do is to educate before you vaccinate. | ||
| Just don't blindly lay your child on a table just as a sacrifice to the pharma gods. | ||
| You know, it's when you get pregnant, God gives you two gifts. | ||
| And the first gift is that you got pregnant. | ||
| And particularly now with the fertility rates dropping all across the world, your first gift is that you got pregnant. | ||
| The second gift is you have anywhere from three to six months to get ready to take care of this new little life that God has gifted you with. | ||
| You need to learn about breastfeeding versus bottle feeding or about cloth diapers compared to synthetic diapers. | ||
| And most importantly, you need to learn about all these vaccines that they want to assault your baby with. | ||
| They want to give your child three vaccines within hours after they're born: hepatitis B, a vitamin K shot, which you really do need to research, and now a new RSV vaccine. | ||
| And all of these, when you're making a decision about whether or not to vaccinate your children, it's a lifelong commitment. | ||
| And I would say that parents who choose to not vaccinate isn't because they're irresponsible. | ||
| They're more responsible. | ||
| They've done their homework and they know what to do to raise a healthy child without or in spite of a pediatrician. | ||
| And so you should not be making the decision of whether or not to vaccinate when you're in labor. | ||
| And I mean, it's like there's lots of things going on when you're in labor. | ||
| Or in the pediatrician. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It should not be at that point in time when you make that decision. | ||
| You should be well armed and ready to make that decision, which could be a life-altering and life-changing event to that baby before they're born. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And how do we know the true health of an unvaccinated child if from the moment they're born we give them two to three shots and injections immediately after they're born? | ||
| Dr. Sherry, how does everyone find you? | ||
| How do they get in touch with you? | ||
| Are you on X or you're going to be able to do that? | ||
| Yeah, the place that you can follow me on Instagram and on X is at busy Dr. T. At BusyDRT is my handle on both X and on Instagram. | ||
| Dr. Sherry, it is an honor having you on the show. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Thank you so much for having me. | ||
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| Sitting with me is the president of Maha Institute, Mark. | ||
| Mark, thanks so much for joining us. | ||
| My pleasure to be here. | ||
| Mark, I actually wanted to talk a little bit about how you got involved in Maha, as we call it. | ||
| So, I mean, the origin story goes back a little while for me. | ||
| So, probably 15 or more years ago, I fell down the rabbit hole of looking at the JFK assassination. | ||
| And then I spent years reading up on that and a whole bunch of other deep state crimes and ended up re-educating myself about how the world works, what had gone on with our government. | ||
| And through that, I learned to interpret the media in different ways, and I learned to see what a psyop was. | ||
| So, when COVID hit, I saw pretty clearly it was a psyop from the beginning. | ||
| But the censorship was very good, and I didn't really understand the deeper story. | ||
| But then, after about a year or so, I started learning more, and I realized the depth of the corruption, and I wanted to help fight the pharma side of the deep state. | ||
| And so, I asked around, and people said, you have to talk to CHD. | ||
| So, I met the good folks at CHD, and that's what kind of brought me into the movement. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And Mark, you have mentioned that, you know, you've got a background at, you've gone to Yale, you've been to Stanford, I think you mentioned Harvard as well for many different qualifications that you have. | ||
| So, from your perspective, I think that Maha Institute is very at an advantage having someone like you as their president who's kind of looking around at things from this kind of external view. | ||
| And so, I do want to start diving into what your talk is about today, which is the epidemic of vaccine injury. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like I said, I'm relatively new to the health freedom movement. | ||
| I mean, there are people here at this conference who have been working on this for decades. | ||
| But as someone who is somewhat new, I think I bring a perspective that's a little different because people in the Maha movement tend to talk around the issues of vaccine injuries. | ||
| They're very reluctant to say that. | ||
| They talk about the epidemic of chronic disease and they're very oblique. | ||
| There's a lot of coded language, which if you have been around the movement for a while, you understand what people are saying. | ||
| But if you're not, you don't understand what that means. | ||
| And so I think I can be helpful on the communication side by explaining just how large this epidemic of vaccine poisoning is. | ||
| Because I was involved for a few years before I really figured it out myself. | ||
| Like, I've never heard anyone say it really clearly. | ||
| I had to go read a bunch of papers, kind of do the math myself. | ||
| You can't do that if you're going to say it. | ||
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| And so I was, by looking at the vaxed unvaxed studies that are out there, was able to calculate that 70% of the epidemic of childhood disease is vaccine injury, and that 40% of all kids in America are vaccine injured with a chronic condition. | ||
| I mean, it's massive. | ||
| You can just stop right there, I mean, and say that again. | ||
| Yeah, 40% of all kids in America are suffering from a vaccine-induced chronic injury. | ||
| I mean, that's massive. | ||
| That's 1.4 million children injured each year. | ||
| I mean, this is the largest scandal in American history. | ||
| Even people in the Maha movement, a lot of them don't realize how huge it is. | ||
| And also, I mean, it's hard to find much that's good about this. | ||
| But one of the nice things is that it actually makes it relatively easy to cut by two-thirds the amount of chronic disease in this country because you just have to stop giving kids vaccines. | ||
| If you were to do that, you could stop poisoning 1.4 million kids a year. | ||
| And I think that's an important message that people need to understand that just the sheer size of it is something very few people understand. | ||
| And I think that's a message that's worth communicating. | ||
| I absolutely agree. | ||
| I mean, I think this is something that comes up very often. | ||
| You know, I'm very used to defending my beliefs. | ||
| I started as a young activist. | ||
| I actually had a history teacher or a government teacher who allowed me to have an entire classroom period where I could present my ideas and argue with the class. | ||
| And I held my own, I have to say. | ||
| But if you're willing to stand up and say something so bold as to what Sherry Tinpinny, who just was Dr. Sherry Tinpinney, just said, who is a medical doctor, she's retired now, she said that she doesn't believe that anyone can receive any vaccine without being injured to some degree. | ||
| If you are bold enough to say that, then you also have to admit that that means that a lot of the American children and a lot of the citizens that are our brothers and sisters, our mothers and fathers, are our children, that means that they're vaccine injured. | ||
| They go hand in hand. | ||
| But I think I totally agree with you that very often that sentiment gets slipped through the cracks and quite frankly ignored. | ||
| For the critics, I do want to address this, Mark, and perhaps put you on the spot a little bit, which is that what would you say to the New York Times or one of these big news media outlets that would say, well, Mark, if you stop vaccinating all these kids, aren't you going to bring back polio? | ||
| Aren't you going to bring back communicable diseases? | ||
| What would your response be to that? | ||
| I mean, so vaccines, some of them, do have trivial benefits. | ||
| And the public health establishment has put a lot of energy into scaring people about communicable diseases. | ||
| But most of these diseases are not very serious. | ||
| And somebody with a healthy immune system can fight them off in a matter of days or weeks. | ||
| The measles, when I was a kid, just not a big deal. | ||
| I mean, you know, mumps, not a big deal. | ||
| If you go back 150 years, you, I mean, these diseases, you know, killed a lot of people. | ||
| But the thing that produced the breakthroughs in reductions in mortality was clean water and sanitation. | ||
| Those innovations were enormous and did so much to improve the quality of human health. | ||
| All of that happened well before the advent of vaccines. | ||
| If you look at the death rates from nearly all the communicable diseases, they had plunged by 90, 95, 99% before the advent of vaccines. | ||
| And so, but what you've had is that the vaccinators have taken credit for the good work that has been done by the people in sanitation and the people who built the water systems. | ||
| And they falsely take that credit. | ||
| They're not responsible for those advances. | ||
| I don't want to say that vaccines, some of them do reduce your chance, like the measles vaccines for a period of time will reduce your chance of getting the measles. | ||
| It can also give you an asymptomatic infection where you don't know you have it and you can spread it unknowingly. | ||
| Again, I'm not saying so, but there. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I mean, I've spent a bunch of time researching this. | ||
| And I just started with the assumption that there was something to vaccines. | ||
| I mean, just, you know, why, you know, it's so widely accepted. | ||
| And then as I started looking more and more, I could not believe the amount of fraud in vaccines. | ||
| I mean, so basically the vaccine community out there is constantly lying and constantly stealing credit for other things. | ||
| So, you know, one of the great supposed accomplishments of vaccines is the reduction in paralytic polio. | ||
| The outbreak of paralysis in children in America in the 20th century was primarily due to pesticide poisonings, lead-based pesticide and DDT. | ||
| There was a point in time where the FDA was telling parents it was okay to put DDT on their kids' lunches. | ||
| And you can also imagine why the FDA was not anxious to admit that their advice was paralyzing kids. | ||
| And the, I mean, so basically what we know. | ||
| Sorry, not to interrupt, but you can also, this is well documented in the book The Moth and the Iron Lung by Forrest Muratti. | ||
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| Yeah, I'm definitely going to shout that one out. | ||
| Anytime anyone wants to talk about polio, I just say, look, I don't want to talk about it. | ||
| Go read that book and then come back to me. | ||
| We can have a discussion. | ||
| But I do think that we need to be able to communicate to people who are basically saying, I have seven free seconds. | ||
| Don't tell me to read a book. | ||
| Tell me the story. | ||
| And I think that's really what we need to do because there's so much amazing information. | ||
| And for people willing to read a dozen books, you can learn so much. | ||
| But almost no one reads a dozen books. | ||
| And so it's up to us who have to say it clearly so that they can get it and get on with their busy lives. | ||
| And I'm going to jump right in there and shout out Maha Institute. | ||
| I have had the privilege of getting to work with Maha Institute a little bit. | ||
| For the viewers on Real America's Voice, you guys have seen some of the Maha Institute roundtables. | ||
| Obviously sitting next to me is the president of the Maha Institute. | ||
| These roundtables are incredible. | ||
| We're working on getting them on social media where you can get those bite-sized pieces of information out there to the public instead of telling them to read a book or watch an hour-long video. | ||
| And at the Maha Institute, every month they're having roundtables and arming the public with the right information. | ||
| And also, quite frankly, the last one was on the weaponization of science. | ||
| It's about giving people access to information. | ||
| We're not telling you what to believe or not. | ||
| But if there's 15 scientific papers that say one thing and 15 scientific papers that say something else, we just believe that all those papers should get published if they're valid and not fraudulent. | ||
| So I definitely want to leave on this note and talk a little bit about Maha Institute and some of the more broad overviews of what you guys are doing right now. | ||
| Well, so we're a think tank that is supporting the Maha movement. | ||
| And it's our mission to support and collaborate with the Maha supporters in government to help them be effective in their mission because the government health system is huge. | ||
| It's rigid. | ||
| It doesn't want to change. | ||
| And a lot of people in the system are actively hostile to the Maha principles and honestly the health of the American people. | ||
| And so we're fighting a giant corrupt system. | ||
| And so we're providing very useful tactical advice and support for the people in government as they tackle the challenges of trying to reform this corrupt system. | ||
| And I kind of like to say that folks like CHD are the defense. | ||
| And at Maha with the Institute, the PAC, the action is offense. | ||
| I feel very honored to get to fight alongside all of you. | ||
| And that's why I love the CHD conference happening right now because I feel like it's this intersection time that this should have happened a long time ago, but it's happening now. | ||
| And we're keeping the fight moving forward. | ||
| So, Mark Gorton, how can people find you? | ||
| I don't really have very much of a social media presence. | ||
| You're too busy getting stuff done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's, you know, you have to find me when I pop up in place occasionally. | ||
| Well, in that case, Mark, thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| I'm going to shout out the Maha Institute. | ||
| If you go to MahaInstitute.org, you can learn more about what they're doing. | ||
| Sign up for the email list and get in touch with them. | ||
| Joining me is Brownstone President Jeffrey Tucker and Dr. Pierre Corey, MD. | ||
| We were actually just chatting before we got on there about a new tweet from President Trump. | ||
| So hit us with what Trump has said. | ||
| Yeah, this is happening. | ||
| Here we are at CHG with thousands of people, more than 1,000 people there. | ||
| It's so exciting. | ||
| And Trump sends out this tweet, which is quite remarkable. | ||
| He says, I am recommending to Senate Republicans that the hundreds of billions of dollars currently being sent to money-sucking insurance companies in order to save the bad health care provided by Obamacare be sent directly to the people so that they can purchase their own much better health care and have money left over. | ||
| In other words, take from the big, bad insurance companies, give it to the people and terminate per dollar spent the worst health care anywhere in the world. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| This is what he wrote. | ||
| That isn't amazing, right? | ||
| This is you. | ||
| This is, leave it to Trump. | ||
| Leave it to Trump. | ||
| We've been struggling with a plan for health care reform for four decades, and Trump figures it all out, right? | ||
| So this is a fantastic tweet. | ||
| Rick Scott from Florida has immediately said that he's drafting legislation to make it so. | ||
| So this is a great step in the right direction. | ||
| However, it occurred to me, if you get that money in your bank account now and you want to go out and buy health insurance with it or health care with it, you're going to face all sorts of throttles. | ||
| The system is still in place. | ||
| Even if the money is redirected, you've got a serious problem at the level of finding good insurance that you can actually afford. | ||
| That's not a complete robbery in itself. | ||
| So, you know, while this is a great suggestion, it unfortunately still bumps into the problem that we have a very constrained and throttled medical marketplace right now that excludes a lot of excellent providers, many of whom are at this event with alternative care, naturopathy, homeopathy, a direct primary care, although the Big Beautiful Bill has some liberalizations. | ||
| They're very limited. | ||
| So we need to blow open this entire system and open it up to a genuine market forces that can elicit the talents of great men and women physicians to work directly with patients using their own money in an affordable way. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| So this has got to be the goal. | ||
| Yeah, it's got to be. | ||
| But we need to focus on this, right? | ||
| We don't have a lot of talk these days about the kinds of reforms we need because there hasn't really been a reason to talk about it until this tweet. | ||
| Trump really blows it all open. | ||
| So it's very exciting. | ||
| We need to talk about the kind of reforms, and we need to do it like now, urgently. | ||
| I want your thoughts on that as well. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, let's start with kind of pie in the sky. | ||
| What I would imagine is the best outcome, right? | ||
| Which is that the tax dollars go to the consumer and the consumer has total autonomy to spend it with whatever health care they want, right? | ||
| I think that would be the best. | ||
| And the problem is, as you kind of intimated, Jeffrey, is that that money, now you have the money, and what do you do? | ||
| You get to choose between insurance plans so you can see the doctor with that insurance plan. | ||
| It's still. | ||
| With high deductibles, high premiums, and high everything else, it's all throttled system. | ||
| It's not that difficult. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Go to the Obamacare website and select this plan, this plan, this still? | ||
| You're still being robbed. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's kind of like you said. | ||
| So that little change in the Big Beautiful bill, which opens up a little bit more freedom around health care savings accounts, I think that's kind of the way to go. | ||
| And, you know, I'll give you a personal example. | ||
| I have a telehealth practice. | ||
| I have 30 employees, and we pay for their health care insurance, or we subsidize it significantly. | ||
| But I will tell you the kind of people that I work with in my community, my network, they're not interested in getting care from a system that is so controlled, so curated in terms of the therapies they employ. | ||
| These are literally pharma-approved, pharma-profitable therapies, cheap, alternative approaches to health, which we know work. | ||
| They don't have the big randomized control trials. | ||
| And you should mention, too, Pierre, that the packages that are required by the government to offer you are unrelated to your personal risk. | ||
| And also, you're buying all sorts of products and services that you don't want, but you're forced to pay for them anyway. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| So I'd love, yes, a freeing up of the healthcare system. | ||
| And the thing is, what I think my employees and nurses really want is, and to be honest, it's really what I am so happy about is that I'm a fee-based practice. | ||
| I have no master. | ||
| I do not have to worry about an insurance company questioning what I'm doing. | ||
| I don't have to worry about a boss, an administrator, anything. | ||
| I can use freely exercise my judgment and what I think is best for the patient. | ||
| And I actually tend to choose rather economical therapies. | ||
| There's a lot of good stuff that works. | ||
| There's certain indications for hyperbaric and stem cells and all that, but most patients can't afford those. | ||
| When you know that the patient's spending their own money, now you've got an incentive now. | ||
| So you're paying attention to the patient, both the medical needs and what's affordable, and not some insurance company that's, for the most part, dictating healthcare. | ||
| If I wanted to do this, we're not paying for that, right? | ||
| They're still practicing medicine in a way. | ||
| But your way of structure your practice is highly unusual. | ||
| This is the math of the tremendous exception to the rule. | ||
| Most people are part of this wicked system where you pay so much to have health care, but you don't actually have health care. | ||
| Right, we pay more than most of the developed countries in the world, yet we have worse health outcomes. | ||
| $27,000 per capita for health care. | ||
| That's before you use it. | ||
| And then once you start using it, you're still going to pay beyond that. | ||
| I mean, I think we could spend hours on describing how dysfunctional the system is. | ||
| But for me, I look at it from very much a physician's prism. | ||
| And having learned so much in these last five years, the deeper rot is in standards of care. | ||
| You know, what I've come to learn about various diseases and their standards of care, they're built on literally manipulated data. | ||
| So, this whole idea that depression, anxiety, first-line therapies, SSRIs, I wouldn't wish an SSRI my worst enemy. | ||
| The ubiquitous use of statins, still on this cholesterol theory, we must fight cholesterol. | ||
| Every doctor. | ||
| I'm going to jump in there real quick. | ||
| You know, Maha Institute actually had a roundtable called The Weaponization of Science that happened last month. | ||
| And they had several different journalists and doctors talk about the misuse of statins, over-prescription of them. | ||
| You guys joining me is Jeffrey Tucker and Dr. Pierre Corey. |
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