Nov. 15, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on this people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Friday 14th of November, Anno Domini 2025. | ||
| Harnwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's War Room. | ||
| Wasn't that a beautiful piece of music we opened the show with today? | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| It was the Sanctus from the Sanctus of the Missa Honorificencia Porpoli Nostri. | ||
| I'm very honored that of our two guests to open the show today. | ||
| Dr. Peter Krasniewski is the composer of that piece of music. | ||
| I wish we could play more of it. | ||
| Sadly, however, we'll be discussing other things this evening rather than rather than musical compositions. | ||
| Dr. Krasniewski, the next time you compose something, please bring it to us on the war room and we'll give you a world premiere. | ||
| Very talented. | ||
| You are what we would call a Renaissance man. | ||
| That music was clearly modelled, inspired from the Renaissance in theology. | ||
| I would say, I think if I called you a Renaissance man in theology, you'd give me a slap. | ||
| More of a mid-medieval guy, I think, and there's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| So, Dr. Krasniewski, welcome onto the show. | ||
| My other guest is the Reverend John Perricone, PhD, ordained priest in 1976 with a master's in biblical studies and a PhD in medieval philosophy from Fordham University. | ||
| Well, why have I asked you to come on the show today? | ||
| Well, Dr. Krasniewski is the publisher of Osyusti Press, and you've published a book by Father Perricone, which is an anthology of 139 essays. | ||
| Let me start with Father Perricone, and then, Peter, I'll come back to you and ask you more about your publishing house. | ||
| So, you've got 139 essays in this book, Father. | ||
| Is there a unitive theme across all of these 139 essays which were written over a 29-year period? | ||
| I think from 1996 to 2025. | ||
| That covers four different papers, John Paul II, Benedict XVI, Francis, and now Leo. | ||
| Tell me, do you think in this book there is a unifying theme? | ||
| And was that intentional? | ||
| Yes, there is, Ben. | ||
| The unifying theme is the unchanging Catholic faith. | ||
| And how is it that this can be applied to not only difficulties, indeed, crises in our culture, but crises in the Catholic Church. | ||
| Over the past 30 years of writing, there have been no limit to those crises. | ||
| I attempt to identify them, to analyze the crisis, and then help Catholics to apply the unchanging teachings of the Catholic Church to those crises. | ||
| So perhaps with that as armament, they will be able to not only achieve some peace of conscience, but also have the wherewithal to go out to their friends, Catholic friends, and non-Catholic friends, and articulate a proper solution to the difficulties bedeviling both the church and society today. | ||
| So each and every one of my articles is kind of a chiatoscuro. | ||
| On the one hand, I am talking about the darkness that's enveloping us from every side, but then pointing out the light of faith and how is it that we ought to understand these dilemmas and confidently move forward. | ||
| That I would say inspires every single line that I write both in the last 30 years and forward. | ||
| Well, your book has received an endorsement from no less a person than Bishop Athanasius Schneider, a real hero amongst the worldwide bishops, pretty much a lone voice. | ||
| And that is high praise indeed to get his endorsement. | ||
| Before I go over to Dr. Kvasniewski, can you just tell me a bit more about the crises that you mentioned in the church, this period of darkness? | ||
| What is that to you? | ||
| And what role does the laity have, especially, in assisting the fight back for the fullness of Catholic truth? | ||
| In the past 60 years, Ben, the church has experienced a critical fracture in their understanding of the true faith. | ||
| And hence, bishops and even many higher hierarchs have been complicit in that fracture. | ||
| And rather than being, as St. Paul talks about, a certain trumpet to Catholics, so they fully understand the unchanging nature of that truth, they have tended to listen to these fractured understandings of the truth, which, by the way, had been percolating in the Catholic Church for, oh my goodness, the last hundred years. | ||
| And it has brought a certain amount of doubt into the Catholic mind, certainly doubt about how they ought to live their faith, how they are to live the moral law. | ||
| And sometimes when they seek clarity, they have nowhere to turn except to outstanding and singular bishops like Bishop Athanasius, who, by the way, is properly named because he very much like the man after whom he is named was a voice contra mundum. | ||
| He is a voice against the world, but a sane, sound, measured voice. | ||
| And every time he speaks, and every time any good Catholic sees him speak, they also see a radiant sanctity emanating from him. | ||
| Indeed, doesn't he remind us of what Leo the Great must have sounded like? | ||
| And Ignatius Loyola, Charles Barromeo, and Robert Bellamin. | ||
| We have in our midst in Bishop Athanasius Schneider a true jewel that can he's manna for us in the desert, leading us to a new promised land when please God, more clergy, higher clergy and lower clergy like me, will feel confident about proclaiming the true and undeniable truth of the Catholic faith. | ||
| Father Pericone, please stand by. | ||
| We will come back to you to have more insights from you, not only on your book, but also your contribution for 49 years as a priest. | ||
| Dr. Klasniewski, we first met at, though we've been in touch and we have common friends, we first met at Trisulti a number of years ago, which I very much hope we are going to get back to continue the fight for the fullness of Christian revelation as understood and transmitted via the Catholic faith. | ||
| You really are a one-man beacon to goodness, truth, and beauty. | ||
| Tell me about this publishing house. | ||
| I think Father Pericone and his coherence and conviction speak for itself. | ||
| But tell me about the publishing house that you founded and what its mission is. | ||
| Yes, thank you, Ben. | ||
| Os Yusti, the name Os Yusti, comes from the introit of the Mass for the confessors of the church, the mouth of the just, Os Yusti. | ||
| And, you know, I thought I would name the company with an easy to remember name like Kwashnievsky, my last name. | ||
| That's just a joke. | ||
| But anyway, Os Yusti Press. | ||
| We publish about 100 titles right now. | ||
| As the very name of the press suggests, a very special focus we have is in the area of the Catholic liturgy. | ||
| For example, we just published the first ever translation of Dom Prosper Gueranger's work, Liturgical Institutions. | ||
| You can see it there scrolling by. | ||
| But really, I mean, we publish books in theology, philosophy, literature. | ||
| I've got novels and poetry by Catholic authors. | ||
| We publish interviews. | ||
| There's one with Bishop Schneider, whom we've been talking about. | ||
| You know, I do reprints of old classics that are out of print from the 20s, the 30s, the 40s. | ||
| I mean, there's an abundance of great Catholic literature, both being written now, freshly, and also forgotten from the past. | ||
| And so I see it as the role of Os Yusti to really bring both of those worlds to my readers. | ||
| Something that you'll hear on this show repeatedly is the need for the laity to step forward on all aspects for the salvation of the fullness of the Catholic faith. | ||
| I think what you're doing very much is an example of everything that I think the laity ought to be doing. | ||
| Tell me about this publishing house and tell me about the Pelican Plus initiative as well that I know you're involved with. | ||
| But in terms of the publishing house, do you have a specific apostolate that you're aiming for when you're choosing which books you want to publish? | ||
| I would say that about half of the books we publish are more of an academic nature. | ||
| I have a PhD in philosophy. | ||
| I taught for many years at the university level for 20 years. | ||
| And so naturally, I receive manuscripts, monographs of an academic nature. | ||
| I'm just about to publish a textbook on soteriology, the theory of salvation in St. Thomas Aquinas and the Catholic Magisterium. | ||
| And so some of the works are more specialized. | ||
| But on the other hand, I also want to bring out works that are going to benefit the average layperson who just wants to learn about this or that aspect of the Catholic faith. | ||
| For example, you might have seen it scrolling past on that screen, but I just published a book on the Cristero counter-revolution and the battle for the soul of Mexico. | ||
| This is a very accessible, it's the best one-volume treatment of the Cristero conflict ever written. | ||
| It was originally in Spanish. | ||
| We've translated it into English. | ||
| It's a beautiful book. | ||
| It's a very moving and inspiring book. | ||
| And it's one that grips you right from the beginning because it's telling this story about these lay people who took up arms. | ||
| Tens of thousands of lay people took up arms against their Freemasonic anti-Catholic government. | ||
| This was between the years of 1926 and 1929. | ||
| And they were winning. | ||
| They were winning this fight. | ||
| It's an incredibly inspiring story. | ||
| There were martyrs, galore, hundreds and hundreds of martyrs. | ||
| So that's the kind of book I want to reach a big audience with a story like that because we should be proud of these people. | ||
| Most Catholics, maybe they've heard of the Mexican martyrs, Blessed Miguel Pro. | ||
| They might have heard of some of these people, but they don't know the story. | ||
| They don't know how incredibly gripping it is. | ||
| So that's the kind of thing that I bring out. | ||
| Also, another example would be this little pamphlet, Sacred and Great, which is an introduction by Joseph Shaw to the traditional Latin Mass. | ||
| You know, we know we're living in a time where the Catholic Church, bizarrely, is exhibiting what I would call an auto-immune condition. | ||
| That is, the church seems to be attacking itself. | ||
| And you have hierarchs who are attacking the most noble and ancient and beautiful liturgy of Christendom, right? | ||
| The Roman Rite, the Tridentine Rite. | ||
| And I call it Tridentine, but it goes back 1600 years. | ||
| So I see it also as very much a part of my mission, my apostolate, to educate people about the glory of the traditional Western liturgy, the traditional Roman Rite. | ||
| And we do that with many, many different publications. | ||
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| Viva Christo Re, by the way. | ||
| Okay, so we'll be back with our two Peters in just a couple of moments. | ||
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| So Dr. Krasniewski, tell me what was it about Father Perricone's collection of essays that persuaded you that this was something I needed to put together as an anthology and published? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, I've been reading Father Pericone's work for years. | ||
| And indeed, he's been reading my books and essays for years too. | ||
| So we've known each other for a while. | ||
| We both, in fact, are from New Jersey. | ||
| I mean, he's always been in New Jersey. | ||
| I spent the first 18 years of my life in New Jersey. | ||
| But apart from our common love of the traditional Latin liturgy, I just find Father Perricone an extraordinary writer in several respects. | ||
| First of all, he is incredibly eloquent. | ||
| I mean, his vocabulary is enviable. | ||
| He knows exactly Le Maujuste, just the right word for any topic that he's trying to describe or skewer or exalt or whatever the case may be. | ||
| And so he's a fine writer, but he's also very logical, very precise. | ||
| He's a Thomist. | ||
| I admire that. | ||
| He brings light rather than heat. | ||
| And what I find to be the case in almost the entire world of digital discourse nowadays is that people are constantly starting fires. | ||
| They're constantly shooting each other with flamethrowers. | ||
| There's a lot of heat, but there's very little light. | ||
| And what we need are clear and precise and learned writers like Father Perricone. | ||
| What I think is amazing about his book is that these are essays, these are short essays. | ||
| You can read one of them before you go to bed at night. | ||
| You know, very, very easy and very digestible, and yet always very acute and very profound. | ||
| And I mean, I wouldn't publish a book of essays otherwise. | ||
| You know, the essays have to be top-notch in order to merit being gathered and published as one volume. | ||
| You mentioned that Father Perricone is a Thomist, and that reminds me that you yourself, in your PhD in philosophy, had included a specialization in the thought of Thomas Aquinas. | ||
| What role does Thomas Aquinas have in the church in 2025? | ||
| Father Pericone. | ||
| He has a role far more important than in the past 800 years, only because of the unprecedented crisis that the church finds herself in. | ||
| He has been named by the church to be her common doctor. | ||
| Most Catholics recognize Aquinas as his title as angelic doctor, appropriately because he writes so extensively upon the nature of angels. | ||
| But Mother Church awards him a title even more significant than that in calling him the common doctor. | ||
| That simply means that when Mother Church wants to seek a deeper, fuller, and more profound understanding of the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, they ought to go to St. Thomas Aquinas for a proper understanding. | ||
| That's why he has such critical importance to the church over 800 years, but particularly today, unfortunately, in the past 60 years, our pseudo-Catholic intelligentsia has set about creating a blackout on St. Thomas Aquinas. | ||
| I suspect they recognized that if they allowed him the chance to come into the mind of the church, into the mind of Catholics, their whole experiment that they were attempting of so-called adjournment would come quickly to an end. | ||
| It would collapse under the force of St. Thomas's teaching. | ||
| He is our thick wall. | ||
| He is our garrison against false ideas. | ||
| And no wonder why the enemies of the church, especially at the council, wanted to closet him. | ||
| And indeed, they almost did so. | ||
| If not now, for the new renaissance of St. Thomas Aquinas, which is occurring because of Dr. Kusnovsky's press, because of his works, all of them, and all his many efforts, | ||
| to say nothing of other efforts throughout the world, such as the Dominicans and the House of Studies in DC and that whole Eastern province, that are reintroducing to the world of scholarship the almost perfect understanding that we could have of a Catholic faith through the prism and lens of St. Thomas Aquinas. | ||
| I cannot overestimate how important he is for Catholic Orthodoxy, and that being the very reason why he needed to be obscured, if completely exiled from Catholic understanding. | ||
| You're absolutely right that clarity of thought is the great enemy of modernism. | ||
| Father Klazniewski, I know you want to interject here. | ||
| No, I was just thinking about how Father he mentioned that if they could get rid of St. Thomas, then modernism could triumph. | ||
| And I was just reminded of what Buser, one of the famous early Protestant reformers, said. | ||
| He said, if we could only destroy the works of St. Thomas Aquinas, then we would triumph. | ||
| So I thought your finger. | ||
| I thought I saw your finger raising. | ||
| I thought you wanted to cut in. | ||
| Father Pericon, we only have about four minutes, less than four minutes left. | ||
| Could you just quickly say something about the cult of the inner God, what that means? | ||
| I've written extensively on that. | ||
| Chesterton talked about it, and I have often quoted him. | ||
| And he talks about the fact that of all the horrible religions, the most horrible is the cult of the God within. | ||
| And what does he mean by that? | ||
| He means that, as the modernists indicated, we simply recognize religion as this elan, this inner principle that guides us. | ||
| Essentially, it's my feelings that guide me. | ||
| And this takes the replace, this replaces objective revelation. | ||
| Now, Chesterton replaced that quote by saying, of all the horrible religions, the religion of the God inside of us, of the God within, means that when Mr. Jones speaks to the God within him, he's merely speaking to Mr. Jones. | ||
| So I think that one of my campaigns has been mounted against this. | ||
| And the whole notion of so-called spirituality in the church, and if you look at any leftist Catholic newspapers, you'll see that they are replete with offerings of spirituality centers. | ||
| And that would be as good as going into a Carl Rogers Institute. | ||
| They often have nothing to say about our Lord Jesus Christ or his redemption on Calvary or of the sacred revelation he entrusted to the Catholic Church and of our obligation daily to renounce ourselves in order to be more perfectly conformed to him. | ||
| That is something alien to these people. | ||
| They would rather simply consult their feelings. | ||
| And sadly, so many Catholics, when they go to Mass each and every Sunday, have hyphen before them merely exercises in self-realization, at best, entertainment at worst, which merely reinforces for them this notion of self-discovery, of seeking the God within. | ||
| It's very, very deadly, Ben. | ||
| And if I want to devote more of my writings to that, that will be the subject I have to. | ||
| That's the idol I want to take down. | ||
| Peter Kvasniewski, I can see now why you were very quick to publish a book by Father Pelicone. | ||
| Father, when you're speaking, I can't help, you know who you reminded me of when you're speaking? | ||
| The clarity and expression, Fulton Sheen. | ||
| I don't know if it's the syntax, I don't know what it is, but I can't help but think of Bishop Archbishop Sheen as you're talking. | ||
| Look, in the final 90 seconds, Peter Klasniewski, just say something quickly about the Pelican Plus initiative, if you wouldn't mind. | ||
| Yes, thank you. | ||
| You mentioned that before. | ||
| So Pelican Plus is a new digital platform by Catholics for Catholics. | ||
| Six of us co-founded it. | ||
| People might have heard of some of my co-founders, like Timothy Flanders and Kennedy Hall, Nicholas Cavazos, Edward Schaefer. | ||
| We are putting together basically a place where there will be streaming content, exclusive shows like The Great Indoctrination, that's coming on November 15th. | ||
| An amazing program about the fate of education and what we can do about it. | ||
| Charles Coulomb writes for us too. | ||
| So you can stream video. | ||
| You can read in the forum section. | ||
| That's where I put out my essays. | ||
| And you can also pray. | ||
| There's a prayer section of that where people can listen to and join in with the Divine Office, with the daily Mass readings for the traditional Latin Mass, with Rosary in English, in Latin, chanted, spoken. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of material that we're making available. | ||
| So people really should check it out. | ||
| It's a wonderful, wonderful venture. | ||
| Where do people go then for Pelican Plus and on the rest of social media to keep up with your output, Dr. Krasniewski? | ||
| Yes, all you'd have to do is search for Pelican Plus and it will come up right away, the app address. | ||
| I have my own website, peterkrashniewski.com, and also there's, of course, osiustipress.com. | ||
| And Father Pericon, where do people go? | ||
| Obviously, they can go and buy the book from Osiusti. | ||
| But where else on social media might people go to keep up with your analysis and commentary? | ||
| My website, fatherpericone.com. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| That's all we have time for. | ||
| We'll be back in two minutes after this short break. | ||
| To see us out up to the break, let's go back and hear a few closing seconds once again of the sanctus of the Misa Honorificencia Popolinostri by its composer, Dr. Peter Krasniewski. | ||
| Thank you both very much for joining us. | ||
| And I look forward to catching up with you again soon. | ||
| God bless for now. | ||
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| Well, one of the consequences of the ongoing invasion into Europe is this transformation of European politics. | ||
| You might have seen that yesterday, Matt Goodwin, one-time GB news commentator, one-time academic, now the honorary president of Reform UK students, | ||
| came out with a statement and he said it takes more than a piece of paper to make somebody British, adding that migrants do not instantly adopt the host country's British or English culture and identity the moment they sign a few papers. | ||
| That's a strong statement there. | ||
| I think it's been welcomed very much by people in our camp. | ||
| Italy, earlier on this May, tightened up its historic immigration law that said that anyone who had an Italian, just one Italian ancestor, going back to 1861, could claim Italian citizenship. | ||
| They've now tightened that up and said that you had to have either a parent or a grandparent who was born an Italian citizen to make that claim via Us Sanguinis, which is the historic means of taking Italian citizenship through descent. | ||
| Portugal, thanks to Chagas, what's called popularly in the press. | ||
| The far-right movement put pressure on the government, so they've tightened up also the citizenship in Portugal now, and that obviously includes the people from say, for example, Brazil that have Portuguese heritage. | ||
| So the one outlier now in the European Union is Spain, which still has favourable terms I think, simply two years for people of Spanish descent from around the world, specifically but not exclusively South America, and therefore, to discuss this and its impact on Europe, | ||
| we're inviting back on to the show Gonzalo Martín, who's the vice president of National Democracy, the Spanish movement. | ||
| Gonzalo, thanks for coming back. | ||
| So tell me the situation then in Spain, and perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining a bit about this concept of Hispanidad, which I think it doesn't go back. | ||
| It goes back beyond before Franco, back to the the very end of the 19th century, the early 20th century somewhat a poetic expression obviously developed um significantly under Franco. | ||
| But this is the idea, the concept that there is a natural affinity between Spain and the people in the former Spanish colonies around the world. | ||
| And I would describe this to our largely American audience, very similar to, in fact, how the British Commonwealth developed out of the British Empire. | ||
| I think you can see a parallel movement here, but it's moved forward in different ways. | ||
| Gonzalo, tell us a bit about Hispanidad first off and what the implications are today in contemporary Spain. | ||
| Because your political party, your political movement, is pretty much, I think, the only movement now in Spain which opposes giving preferential terms for citizenship to people of historic Spanish descent, but have been born, grown up in different countries many miles away. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| It's more or less similar what the British are doing with the Commonwealth. | ||
| So the idea of Hispanidad is that the common history, language, and culture that we share with countries that used to be part of the Spanish Empire. | ||
| So the concept of Hispanidad, it will take inside not only the countries that speak Spanish, also Portugal, Brazil, the Philippines, and in Africa will be the Equatorial Guinea. | ||
| So all the countries that were part of Spain, or there were territories that belonged to the Spanish Empire, we, these people defending the Hispanidad, they say that we share a common language and culture, of course, and that more or less they are saying that we are, some of them are saying that we are the same people, and we don't agree at all. | ||
| Because the opposite of the concept of Commonwealth from the British, people living in former colonies of the British Empire, most of them, not India, for example, but in Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada, they are direct descendants from Europeans, most of them. | ||
| But in the case of the Spanish Empire, as you know, it was a mixed population. | ||
| And of course, the elite were mostly Spanish, but you cannot say that we are closer, we are as close to an Argentinian, a white Argentinian for Buenos Aires than to an indigenous person from Bolivia. | ||
| So it's not the same. | ||
| And they are using this Hispanidad concept to open borders to all the people from those countries to come to Spain with the excuse that this is the good immigration that Spain needs because they are the same people like we are. | ||
| And of course, we are not the same people. | ||
| And many of those countries, or most part of them, they were fighting against Spain 200 years ago to get independence. | ||
| So they got independence and we don't see why to open borders for them if they wanted to be independent. | ||
| Okay, now tell us something about the political context in Spain right now, because you're taking a strong position against this Hispanidad concept. | ||
| But that is largely, historically, a political concept that had a lot of strength on the right. | ||
| For example, Vox, very much as I understand it, supports still to this day the Hispanidad mentality. | ||
| And yet, you guys over at Democracia Nacional, you're pretty much the only voice now opposing that. | ||
| So here was a political concept, very strong, obviously for cultural, historical reasons on the right. | ||
| Because obviously, people on the right tend not to be too ashamed of their cultural history. | ||
| Spain had an empire, Britain had an empire. | ||
| There was good, there was bad in these empires. | ||
| But the important thing is not to judge history with today's standards and not to write off everything on the basis of a few things which perhaps wouldn't be appreciated today. | ||
| So you have this concept that's very alive on the right. | ||
| Tell me about the context now in Spain because with this courageous position that you've come up with and said basically that whilst this concept might be might be a reality that there might be these historical, cultural, linguistic ties with people from around the world, it doesn't automatically entitle you, shouldn't automatically entitle you to come to mainland Spain and take citizenship. | ||
| The dynamic here, and the reason why this is so important, because once you come to any single European country and take citizenship in that country, you can then go anywhere else right across the Europe, right across the European Union. | ||
| So to some extent, Spain is now an outlier with this. | ||
| And some people are suggesting it is somewhat the Achilles' heel now in terms of tightening up on legal migration rather than the illegal migration, which I guess is you and Vox and everyone are totally opposed to. | ||
| So tell us about the context on the right of the political spectrum in Spain now, how this initiative on behalf of Democracia Nacional has been embraced by the other political parties, but also by the Spanish citizens themselves. | ||
| Well, we have to understand that this panidad is a romantic concept and in a way it's an opposition to the concept of Anglo-Saxon imperialism. | ||
| So there was a fight between Anglo-Saxon imperialism and Spanish imperialism. | ||
| So in the 19th century, there were some writers and some patriotic people that were saying that we should defend the heritage that we have in common in opposition to the Anglo-Saxon Empire, in this case, with the rise of the United States of America, that we should be proud of what we are, what we were, the big empire we were, and so on. | ||
| Okay, that's okay. | ||
| This concept is okay. | ||
| And we defend, of course, Spanish heritage. | ||
| And we believe that we have to be in touch. | ||
| We have to have a good cooperation with those countries. | ||
| But it doesn't mean that because we share a common history, language, and even genetics, they are Spanish people. | ||
| And we oppose to this immigration, this called good immigration, that we consider is not a good immigration at all. | ||
| We think is the most dangerous immigration we can have in Spain. | ||
| Because people, when they see millions of Muslims coming to Spain, they feel that they are aliens to us. | ||
| They feel that they don't belong to us. | ||
| And in the future, when time will come, they will be sent back to the country. | ||
| It will be easy. | ||
| But the problem with South Americans is that people don't see that they are different and they get inside of the society. | ||
| And this is what it will finish with the Spanish way of life and also the Spanish native population. | ||
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| So back to Gonzalo Martín. | ||
| You were just saying there that this form of immigration is potentially one of the most dangerous forms out there. | ||
| Just explain a little bit more about what you mean by that. | ||
| The immigration from the countries that they speak Spanish and they share similar genetics to the Spanish people is the most dangerous immigration because they infiltrate more the society. | ||
| They're getting stuck inside of the society and they are mixing more with the Spanish native population. | ||
| What it will take the Spanish population, native population to disappear as we will become a kind of mixed country with no identity. | ||
| And this is what is happening. | ||
| They are coming in bigger numbers. | ||
| Last year, just to let you know, more than 650,000 immigrants came to Spain and 90% of them, they were coming with tourist visa by plane to the Spanish airport to Madrid. | ||
| And they were coming for countries where there is no visa to enter into Spain. | ||
| It's very easy to get to Spain for them because they are coming for countries from South America or countries that used to be part of Spain. | ||
| So they just come to Spain. | ||
| They enter as an legal person because they come as tourists. | ||
| Then they stay in Spain illegally during two years where they will receive all kind of help from all the NGOs working for the system and even the church. | ||
| And then after two years illegally living in Spain, they can ask already for the legal residence. | ||
| Once they have the legal residence, they can ask for the Spanish nationality. | ||
| And in less than two years, they get the Spanish nationality. | ||
| So it means in four years from those two years living illegally in Spain, they become as Spanish as I am. | ||
| And this is a problem because of course they become Spanish. | ||
| They have all their rights as a Spanish citizen. | ||
| They can vote. | ||
| They can apply for a public job, etc., etc., etc. | ||
| So this is the most dangerous immigration because people that they are not coming for those countries, for example, people from Morocco, if they want to get the Spanish nationality, they need to live in Spain 10 years legally, 10 years legally. | ||
| And it's not so easy to get the nationality. | ||
| Of course, they get it also. | ||
| Or you have to be born in Spain and then after one year you can get the Spanish nationality. | ||
| That is another problem with all the children from these immigrants. | ||
| But the immigrants coming from countries that speak Spanish mainly, they have everything very easy to stay here. | ||
| And of course, there are millions and millions of poor people in America, in South America, that they can come to Spain just with a flight ticket and they come to Spain, they stay here, they will never come back. | ||
| And the worst thing is that they bring the whole family. | ||
| So even one of them is working legally, they have the grandmother, the grandfather, the grandchildren, the whole family here, that they collapse our social system. | ||
| So if you want to go to the doctor that in Spain is universal, it means it's for free for everybody. | ||
| Well, it's not for free because it's pay with our taxes, but for them it's for free, then you want to go to specialists and maybe you need to wait half a year because it's collapsed by all these immigrants that didn't pay not even a penny during the whole life. | ||
| Gonzalo, I follow these things pretty closely and I was unaware of this loophole. | ||
| I didn't realize it was still existent in the European Union to this extent and the implications were quite so massive. | ||
| Tell me about the success you have had in talking to other similar movements across the European Union. | ||
| Do they see the threat that you have identified here? | ||
| Are they helping you from outside Spain to apply pressure within Spain for change? | ||
| Has this been taken up by the similar movements that you liaise and cooperate with across the EU? | ||
| Well, it is difficult to say because most part of countries are facing Muslim immigration or African immigration in general. | ||
| So they think that it might be not so bad immigration coming from Colombia and Venezuela, for example. | ||
| But it is as bad as immigration from Africa. | ||
| The only difference is that they have a crucifix on the chest, but they change nothing. | ||
| They also rape people, they also kidnap people, they also steal, they also kill, they also take advantage of the social system. | ||
| So for us, it's the same. | ||
| I don't care if they have the surname Martinez, Garcia, or whatever, they still being a problem for us. | ||
| So I have to, I try to make people understand that this situation is really bad, not only for Spain, for everybody, because as you said, once you enter in Spain, once you enter in any of the European countries, they can get, they have freedom of movement between members of the European Union. | ||
| So once they come to Spain, for them, it's easier to stay in Spain because of the language. | ||
| But it doesn't prevent them to move to France, to move to Italy, and even to move to countries where the language is more difficult, like Germany or Scandinavia. | ||
| And they will do it because once they get the Spanish legal residence, and even worse, once they get the Spanish nationality, they are European citizens officially and they can move all around Europe. | ||
| And there are more than 500 million people living in Spanish-speaking countries in America. | ||
| Imagine how many millions of poor people are in Spanish-speaking America that can come to Europe. | ||
| And the entry to Europe is Spain, the airport of Madrid Barjas. | ||
| And once they are in Spain, they have freedom to move all around Europe. | ||
| And this is a big problem, not only of Spain, of the rest of Europe. | ||
| And they are having problems even now, for example, in Poland. | ||
| They are facing problems with Colombian immigrants. | ||
| Because, as I said, it doesn't matter if they speak Spanish. | ||
| It doesn't matter if they say that they are Christians. | ||
| They behave as bad as immigrants from Africa. | ||
| They create ghettos. | ||
| They are aggressive, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| We've got about 45, 60 seconds less. | ||
| You left. | ||
| You mentioned Poland. | ||
| You're in Warsaw right now. | ||
| You're calling us from Poland rather than from Spain today. | ||
| What's going on there in Poland? | ||
| What are you up to? | ||
| Well, there's a big national movement. | ||
| Unfortunately, from my point of view, they are focusing this old national pride against Russia. | ||
| And I think this is a mistake because there are some people that they are using the patriotic feeling in order to take Europe into another war. | ||
| And this is what me as a responsible foreign affairs of my party are trying to avoid. | ||
| I try that every movement, every national movement in Europe cooperate in order to avoid future wars between brothers. | ||
| Well, I wish you every success there on that. | ||
| Gonzalo, where do people go to learn more about Democratia Nacional and support you on this latest endeavor if that's something they would like to contribute towards? | ||
| Well, they can contact us through the Telegram channel of Democracy Nacional. | ||
| They can follow us in our website, democracinacional.es. | ||
| And we are pretty active also on Twitter. | ||
| I can give you the links and then you can publish that if you want. | ||
| Yes, those are us. | ||
| And we will keep fighting not only for Spain, but for Europe, for the freedom of all the nations of Europe against globalism and massive immigration. | ||
| Gonzalo, many thanks once again for coming on the show and come back again soon and give us an update with how you're getting on opposing the Hispanidad movement. | ||
| Well, that's it. | ||
| That's the end of the show today. | ||
| Thank you for joining us. | ||
| Thank you to Vittorio Franco, who actually encouraged me to look into this concept. | ||
| I was pretty much unaware of it. | ||
| So great thanks to him. | ||
| Thanks to Will and his superb team, as always, at Real America's Voice. | ||
| And thanks to Cameron Wallace, our producer, for putting this show together. | ||
| We'll be back at the same time next week. |
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