Sept. 19, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
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Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
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I know you don't like hearing that. | |
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
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And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | |
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
| Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
| This is Steve Bannon's War Room. | ||
| Ben Harnwell here at the helm. | ||
| Folks, this is the first show we've taped since Charlie Kirk was struck down, gunned down last week. | ||
| Let's bring up Jenny and Frank now because we've decided what we're going to do. | ||
| We'll open this show today with a prayer for Charlie, for the repose of his soul, for his wife and children, for everyone at Real America's Voice and everyone at the RAV family watching at home. | ||
| We'll say a quick prayer in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. | ||
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Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. | |
| Holy Mary, Mother of God. | ||
| Hail Mary, Mother of God, pray for us. | ||
| Now and at the hour of our death. | ||
| No, at the hour of our death. | ||
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Amen. | |
| Amen. | ||
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The Father, Son, Holy Spirit. | |
| Amen. | ||
| The only part of scripture that I would cite at this moment is where sin increased, grace abounded all the more. | ||
| Obviously to do with the incarnation of Jesus Christ, his crucifixion, which redeemed us. | ||
| And I think by that principle, we'll hope that God will draw a greater good out of that horrendous evil that was committed. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Jenny, let's play a quick clip of you speaking in Belfast right on the subject of Charlie and then we'll come back and hear some more analysis from you later on in the show. | ||
| Woke ideology and its intolerance of free speech is a mortal threat to us all. | ||
| Yay! | ||
| The woke left's decade-long campaign to cancel, demonize, unperson its political opponents has culminated in the political assassination of one of the most effective political organizers and communicators of our age. | ||
| Charlie Kirk lived for and died for free speech. | ||
| The woke left cannot live with free speech because free speech unmasks all its lies, contradictions, and hate. | ||
| Jenny, I couldn't have been prouder of watching you deliver that. | ||
| I listened to the whole thing. | ||
| We'll ask Frank if he'd kindly put the full link up on Canon 212. | ||
| Couldn't have been prouder of hearing what you spoke, what you wrote for that event before hundreds of people in Belfast. | ||
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And they picked the war rooms, Jenny Holland, to open that conference. | |
| You spoke very well, very beautifully about Charlie. | ||
| I think you picked the salient points. | ||
| So that 10th of September, the horrific date that it is, and it wasn't only Charlie who was martyred on that day. | ||
| There was another guy in France, an Iraqi Christian who was killed in odium fide, as well in hatred of the faith, as well in this case. | ||
| Frank, you've got the details here. | ||
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What happened in France? | |
| This is a Chaldean Christian, which is a Catholic that had escaped ISIS in Iraq with his sister, and he was living in France. | ||
| And he was, I guess, what we call a podcaster. | ||
| He would stream live on TikTok and he would talk about Catholic things. | ||
| And he was, everybody said he was very, you know, mild mannered. | ||
| He had no enemies. | ||
| This was, you know, this wasn't like Charlie, a huge, big, enormous thing. | ||
| This was an average, everyday Catholic doing what he thought he could do to help. | ||
| And he was, there was somebody followed him to his house and stabbed him in the neck, like we've seen lately. | ||
| And he actually died on camera, bleeding. | ||
| And he while he was on camera, his sister was out shopping and she didn't have her phone, I suppose, and she didn't know, but all kinds of people were texting saying that they saw him. | ||
| And by the time the people arrived, after even everybody was crying to get a hold of him, he was already dead. | ||
| But the police, and I think this is very typical, they say they don't really have any leads. | ||
| They have video. | ||
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Somebody has video of him in a hoodie and a dark outfit, but they don't have any leads and they don't want to say anything about it. | |
| And I think that the media has been, you know, sort of kind of quiet about this, kind of mute about it. | ||
| He had received threats in the past. | ||
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And, you know, it's just, I think it's typical. | |
| And politically, Maureen Le Pen, who is really probably the most popular politician in France, but is not in power, she condemned it. | ||
| But I think the foreign minister, the interior minister, he mentioned it. | ||
| But, you know, yeah, Bruno Ritalo, he talked about protecting Christian places of worship. | ||
| But very, I think very little is being done about this. | ||
| It was mentioned at Alatea magazine. | ||
| It's something I think that is a product of all this immigration that the Pope has called a sin to resist. | ||
| But this is not a new thing. | ||
| This has been happening for a long, long time. | ||
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The attacks are up 13% just from last year, and they're terrible. | |
| There's 400 anti-Christian acts that are recorded, mostly vandalism. | ||
| So this man, in a small way, just like Charlie Kirk, was brave in the face of what was coming. | ||
| It wasn't like he was a convert. | ||
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It doesn't mention that he was a convert. | |
| He was just a Christian who had a public witness. | ||
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And for that, he was killed. | |
| And it's just a matter of the numbers, I believe. | ||
| As far as I can understand, he also, sorry, he also streamed on TikTok in Arabic. | ||
| So he was discussing the Christian faith to his audience in Arabic, which I think no doubt was a factor or certainly a provocation in a religious sense. | ||
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Not that it's been confirmed who killed him. | |
| Yes, it's true. | ||
| He was preaching actually to his own people, and he was very brave. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What do we know? | ||
| What do we know about this heroic martyr's executioner? | ||
| What do we know about the guy who killed him? | ||
| All they know so far is that he was just, you know, he was just a guy wearing a dark outfit and a hoodie. | ||
| They see the videos, but they haven't made any, actually, a statement with any kind of information about what they think it is. | ||
| And I wonder how they even prosecuted. | ||
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I read so many stories about them just letting people off the hook who do terror, Muslims off the hook who do terrible things. | |
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what kind of prosecution will actually happen. | ||
| You know, the leadership in France has such a low rating. | ||
| Macron's is 15%. | ||
| He'll hold on to power at all costs. | ||
| This is really a persecution of the Catholic people. | ||
| And it's not being handled politically at all. | ||
| The reports I read said that he was, sorry, the reports I read said that the attacker was waiting for him. | ||
| He was laying in wait for him to return to his residence in an apartment building. | ||
| So it sounds from that that it may, it was certainly targeted. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it was something that he walked in front of the camera after being stabbed. | ||
| That's what it sounds like. | ||
| It sounds like it happened. | ||
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You know, he followed him on the way. | |
| Well, I read that he followed him, but he was waiting for him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You know, the Pope just made a statement recently to the people at Lampedusa Island that are all flooding into Europe saying he hopes to be with them soon. | |
| The powers that be here are going to permit more of this. | ||
| Tell me more about this. | ||
| You mentioned that Pope Leo said that resisting immigration, what we call on the war room, the invasion. | ||
| When we write about it, we correctly use capital letters just to underline the point. | ||
| It's not a subtle argument, this. | ||
| So you mentioned that the Pope Inverted Commerce said that resisting the invasion is a sin. | ||
| Tell me more about that. | ||
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Well, this is something that they preach as their gospel. | |
| Resisting this is a sin. | ||
| And you know that even in the United States, the bishops are always telling everybody that it's a sin. | ||
| They're saying this recently, the head of the USCCB immigration area said that people who work for ICE can't even be, they should consider not going to communion. | ||
| That's a mortal sin, perhaps, to work for immigration. | ||
| This is throughout the church. | ||
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Now, Leo has just started his talk about, even though he's brought up immigration over and over and over, this Lampedusa visit, like Francis did, right when Francis became Pope, that's coming. | |
| So he'll be down there on that island, which is really an island, a stopping point for Muslims to come into Europe. | ||
| How is a country like France supposed to prosecute when you have so many, when you have you passed a critical mass of people and they're so different than you that your very words require death? | ||
| What we're supposed to fill, you know, supposed to Islamicize Christian Europe and put all of these people at risk. | ||
| Like this is just a, you know, in China, they just made this kind of thing that this mandate illegal for all priests. | ||
| That's in the news today, too. | ||
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So we have no support coming from Rome, really. | |
| I thought you were going to give me some good news to say that Pope Leo is really leading a different path from Pope Francis. | ||
| It's not Bedgoglio 2.0. | ||
| This is a new moderate conservative, moderate traditionalist Pope, you know, citing as all of Trad Inc. is doing the fact that Leo has given permission to Cardinal Burke to celebrate the traditional Latin Mass in St. Peter's. | ||
| At the same time as Cardinal Burke will be Cardinal Zuppi, he's going to also be, and they don't ever mention that, but Cardinal Zupi is like the Point man for the San Egidio group, which is sort of like another Catholic, well-funded operation to create channels of migrants going through Europe where it makes it difficult to help them legally get funneled into different parts of Europe. | ||
| That's also happening at Cardinal Burke's Mass. | ||
| So, you know, they say many over and over again on both sides of the pond that migrants have the face of Christ, like Mary and Joseph. | ||
| And it would be a sin not to permit more. | ||
| But you have a cultural difference that is actually deadly, which we're finding out in other, you know, with Charlie Kirk, too. | ||
| We're finding that in the United States. | ||
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We're finding out with the massacre at the school in the Catholic school in Minnesota and the one before in Nashville, that the idea, the actual, these transsexuals have sort of a religious animosity towards Christianity. | |
| Just before we move on, Frank, all of the world, quite rightly, has been talking about the slaying of Charlie Kirk, a guy who wasn't Catholic, who was Protestant, but he very coherently and convincingly lived out publicly his Christian faith. | ||
| All the world is talking about this. | ||
| Can you tell me how many interventions have emerged from the Holy See over the last weekend? | ||
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A very, very embarrassingly and disappointingly mild intervention. | |
| And it was really prompted. | ||
| You know, I mean, I think that the left was completely shocked by the response to this Charlie Kirk assassination all over the world. | ||
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I mean, billions of people were interested in this. | |
| And he definitely had a strong Christian witness. | ||
| He wasn't shy about it at all. | ||
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And when everybody was making a statement that the head of the Catholic Church, you would think would have, you know, some skin in the game here that he would be interested in seeing in protecting Catholics, said nothing. | |
| Absolutely nothing. | ||
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He gave an interview about how he's getting used to being a world leader, but he didn't do anything that a world leader would any world leader would do. | |
| Just out of human decency, he said nothing. | ||
| And it took the new ambassador from Trump's White House to go there and meet with him and remember quietly that he actually said something. | ||
| He said that he meant, but he didn't do that. | ||
| He didn't say that out publicly. | ||
| That's a sort of a hearsay, a second in command. | ||
| I think it was a little bit of damage control coming from people in the White House that hoped that Leo would somehow appeal to their constituents. | ||
| I think it was a shame. | ||
| But they're hyping it. | ||
| You see, they're making big memes out of it now. | ||
| Leo said something about Charlie Kirk, but it was really just, you know, it was something that was relayed by the ambassador. | ||
| It was a private comment. | ||
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It was perfunctory. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So all Catholics of goodwill who follow this show can watch that and note that and draw the dots. | ||
| Thanks for that breakdown, Frank. | ||
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Jenny, we'll just be coming to you in a couple of minutes to hear more about what happened in Belfast over the last few days. | |
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| So Jenny, you in Belfast. | ||
| You were speaking about Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Tell me about the atmosphere there, um I I guess by the turn up there, people in Ireland did know who Charlie was and were sufficiently moved to come and pay their respects. | ||
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Where was that UM conference, that street protest conference commemoration taking place? | |
| It was taking place directly in front of Belfast City Hall, which is a very traditional location for all UM rallies and protests every weekend. | ||
| I think still to this day they're there, the Palace, the Pro-Palestinians take over the city center and march past the city Hall. | ||
| So we, we reclaimed a small space for the side of sanity on Saturday, the the, the protest was, or the rally was organized by a party called the Traditional Unionist Voice, which is a political party with councillors and local representatives, And they are considered by the liberal establishment to be beyond the pale, quote-unquote, far right. | ||
| But actually, the people in the crowd were, and I said this in the speech, extremely politically diverse. | ||
| There's people like me who were former lefties. | ||
| There were gay men, gay women, a lot of people who loved Charlie, not because they agreed with everything he said, but because he was so sound and he was so consistent on the basic reality of that fact that men cannot be women. | ||
| So I was getting messages all week last week from TERFs, as we call them here in the UK, trans-exclusionary radical feminists, devastated at Charlie's assassination. | ||
| So whilst there was a very, the TUV is closely associated with evangelical Protestantism, and they're very, very devout of various Protestant denominations. | ||
| This was this is, it showed once again that the true political and ideological diversity exists only on the right. | ||
| There is no place for any divergence on the left. | ||
| Everyone on the left and on the liberal side has to be singing from the same hymn sheet, but on the right, you find people who, if you approach them in good faith, will absolutely listen to you and hear you out and can make common cause with you. | ||
| So overall, the mood at the rally, because it was explicitly a memorial in honor of Charlie Kirk and his incredible work, the mood was somber, but I have to say, very, very resolute. | ||
| People have had it up to here. | ||
| They are sick to the back teeth of being afraid to state basic, real truths and basic common sense. | ||
| We're tired of being slandered as Nazis and far-right. | ||
| We're done. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| We cannot do it anymore. | ||
| That was definitely the mood at the rally on Saturday. | ||
| Now, tell me something. | ||
| Northern Ireland is famous historically over many, many decades now for the sectarian difficulties between the troubles, capital T, capital T, right? | ||
| Between Protestants and Catholics. | ||
| Was the composition of the people who were there to give support of mixed background, or was it predominantly one or the other? | ||
| Well, it's hard to say. | ||
| You can't tell who's Catholic and who's Protestant just by looking at people. | ||
| I mean, the truth is, though, that the nationalist, the Irish nationalist parties, which are Catholic in denomination, are nowhere near this issue. | ||
| They have fled. | ||
| They have left the room. | ||
| They are not representing what I think is the majority opinion of sort of common sense, everyday people. | ||
| And so, really, this torch has been picked up by the quote-unquote Protestant side. | ||
| I mean, and this was the same during COVID as well. | ||
| It was parties like the TUV and other very sort of hardline, quote-unquote, unionist parties that stood against the COVID mandates. | ||
| The Catholic side has really dropped the ball and they're nowhere to be found. | ||
| Whether or not, though, I mean, there were certainly people of Catholic faith in attendance. | ||
| I would be certain of that. | ||
| But, you know, it wasn't, it was more of a kind of overarching Christian theme. | ||
| And nobody here, no loyalist party here wants to return to the sectarian violence that saw 3,000 lives brutally ended over what was essentially identity politics. | ||
| I mean, everyone says it was, I mean, it's perceived as a religious conflict. | ||
| It was not a religious conflict. | ||
| It was an identitarian conflict with certain sort of socio-economic roots. | ||
| But Northern Ireland invented identity politics, and I've been saying this for years. | ||
| So we know very, very well how dangerous and murderous identity politics is. | ||
| Well, you know, it's a perfect opportunity, I think, commemorations like this to bring both sides together. | ||
| And of course, you know, if we're going to win on the cultural wars, that's exactly what needs to happen. | ||
| Protestants can be pretty good on the ground. | ||
| Catholics tend to wait for institutional support from the parish priest, from the bishop. | ||
| And that's not coming. | ||
| And that's not coming. | ||
| That's why Canon 212 exists. | ||
| It's why the war room exists, because we're out there trying to give people back their sense of agency, which is essential, because, as I say, it's not going to come from the Catholic hierarchy. | ||
| They're all firmly overworking in the devil's corner of the vineyard. | ||
| Jenny, just on this subject, though, on the Northern Ireland situation and this commemoration, tell me something. | ||
| How powerful has the fact been that Charlie was killed properly really at his signature event, the Prove Me Wrong University debate series, where people could go and, you know, very few people on the left will say prove me wrong in a public setting. | ||
| That's not managed. | ||
| Here's Charlie. | ||
| He did this all the time. | ||
| Prove me wrong. | ||
| And he was gunned down in the grip of someone in this ferocious, irrational anger, hatred, by the way, just in the final two minutes of this segment. | ||
| How much is that point filtering through to people in Northern Ireland here? | ||
| The fact that here you have a guy that the left was calling fascist saying, I'm here for debate, I'm here for dialogue, and killed by people who always put forward as the exponents of dialogue who just didn't want the debate. | ||
| They don't want the discussion. | ||
| Is that part of the dynamic of the people who turned up? | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| Oh, it's very clear. | ||
| I mean, the message couldn't be clearer. | ||
| He was shot in the throat while speaking truth and speaking truth very powerfully. | ||
| I think that, however, much like the rest of the West, those who know and believe in his message know and see the significance of it. | ||
| On the other side, however, I'm seeing a lot of these sort of propagandistic lies being spread on social media about how he was actually killed by a MAGA represent by a MA fan or like a gun nut. | ||
| So, you know, it's a really, it's a very similar situation. | ||
| Like the problem lies with the liberal left and their inability to face reality and inability to have any kind of dialogue in good faith. | ||
| They must always return to smears and lies because fundamentally the truth is not on their side. | ||
| So the only reaction you ever get from them is lies and hysteria and slander. | ||
| You know, Charlie Kirk had a lot of young fans here in Northern Ireland, a lot of young men and young women. | ||
| There's a lot of young people in that crowd. | ||
| But they know. | ||
| They know what happened. | ||
| They know the truth of the matter. | ||
| And they are going to carry that message on forward for the rest of their lives. | ||
| And unfortunately, I mean, they did silence his voice in that moment. | ||
| But his message, they did not silence at all. | ||
| In fact, if anything, it's only growing and growing and growing, especially amongst young people. | ||
| Very powerful, Jenny. | ||
| Thanks for that analysis and thanks for being there at Belfast and for speaking so well. | ||
| We'll be back with you, Jenny, in just two minutes' time. | ||
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| Well, one of the dynamics that we talk about constantly on the war room is the fact that most of our institutions, most of the media, most of those who are in charge of promoting and pushing culture seem to be on the left and arguably are pushing a line very much within the satanic, | ||
| if I might put it like that, points of points of principle. | ||
| But conversely, at the same time as that dynamic, there's another dynamic, which is a thirst for God. | ||
| And here in the West, this is particularly noticeable right now. | ||
| You see many, many young kids who 10 years ago perhaps would not have been that interested in Christianity, certainly in the UK, coming out from the front and leading this campaign to paint the flag of St. George, the white background, the Red Cross, and the white background. | ||
| So you have these two dynamics. | ||
| You have the spiritual attacks coming from the fact that most of our governance seems to be in the hands of the devil. | ||
| And conversely, you have a lot of people now searching for God. | ||
| And one of these, I think, places where this is taking place, these two currents are running into one another, is on AI, on the internet, on social media, on apps. | ||
| And a couple of people, quite a few people recently, have been suggesting that the devil might actually be behind and integrated within AI. | ||
| Jenny, there's this story in the New York Times that says millions are turning to chatbots, chatbots for guidance from on high. | ||
| Tell me a bit about this article, the main thesis, and then tell me whether you think this is a good thing, a dangerous thing, or possibly at this stage, both. | ||
| Yeah, I think at this stage, both is probably the most succinct answer. | ||
| This is a fascinating article. | ||
| I was really, really gobsmacked by this because on the one, so the story is about the popularity of religious apps and their tens of millions of subscribers and downloads. | ||
| And on the one hand, these apps, especially the ones that incorporate chatbots and chat GPT and AI, so users can message and they will get a response on religious matters. | ||
| There is something very, very dystopian about that. | ||
| Imagine sitting up late at night, texting into your app, you know, hello, God, are you there? | ||
| And getting a response. | ||
| And God, who knows what is powering this response? | ||
| I mean, large language models are large language models, but there is something very sinister about it. | ||
| And it feels very much like sort of a science fiction horror story. | ||
| But actually, when you read the article, There's some extremely illuminating data points in there. | ||
| One of which was that at one point, I think last year, Hallow, which is an app that I actually use and subscribe to, had the number one spot on the Apple App Store. | ||
| That means it was higher in downloads than Netflix, Instagram, and TikTok. | ||
| This is incredible, okay? | ||
| If Hallow can compete with TikTok, which I think presents the sort of polar opposite in terms of the ghost in the machine, the TikTok ecosystem is very creepy and very, you know, often very malignant. | ||
| And Hallow is Bible verses and the Rosary and all these things. | ||
| So the fact that there is such a need for this and such a strong desire for this is incredibly positive. | ||
| I think that's something to celebrate. | ||
| I think it's actually a white pill. | ||
| And I mean, the other thing is that, you know, people have been disillusioned to a huge degree by the institutional churches. | ||
| We were locked, you know, well, we weren't. | ||
| Christians were locked out of their churches during COVID and Christian leadership went along with that. | ||
| So it's absolutely no surprise. | ||
| And who can blame people for turning to the thing they always have with them, which is their phone? | ||
| The other very interesting thing in the article, which gives sort of graphics showing how these chatbots work, well, you'll type in a question and some sort of godly being responds to you, which doesn't sound at all like a positive thing. | ||
| But in the examples given in the piece, the responses were actually scriptural. | ||
| They were Bible verses. | ||
| In one case, it was a psalm. | ||
| A woman logged in to ask for comfort and the chatbot gave her a psalm. | ||
| And she said it was very helpful in her moment of need. | ||
| And I have to say, guys, I'm getting more Bible and scripture from this app that is being quoted in the New York Times than I have heard from anything out of the Vatican and the Pope this entire summer that we've been all these months that we've been doing this show. | ||
| Every time I look to the Vatican content, it's all these platitudes and like, you know, received wisdom and conventional takes. | ||
| And I've never heard one time in, you know, in all of these things, anyone, any of them actually quoting from the Bible or talking about God or Jesus. | ||
| So whilst there's absolutely something dark about chat GPT and large language models sort of assuming the role of God, that is a terrifying proposition. | ||
| There's also some, I've also heard very alarming stories about chatbots that sort of go off the reservation somewhat and end up saying very sinister things to young people. | ||
| And those stories are truly, truly horrifying. | ||
| But, you know, I mean, if these people are getting Bible verses, there's something to be said for that. | ||
| So Leo, I've, Frank, I've, you know, I've been waiting for years for the Vatican to talk about sin. | ||
| And then it was Frank Walker who said early on in the show that this pope has finally said something about sin. | ||
| That is, if you resist the invasion, that's sin. | ||
| Frank, go ahead. | ||
| The amazing thing, I agree, is that there's such a need for this. | ||
| There's such a need for this that people would go to these kind of crazy, it seems crazy efforts, but they have no familiarity with religion at all. | ||
| And they want it so bad. | ||
| We're being deprived of a part of us that's, and it's just amazing what they've done to us. | ||
| And that's the positive. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| But you're right that it's sinister because there's a move today for them to, for the left to build what they stole from us. | ||
| So they want to get in the middle of this and they want to make sure they have control over it. | ||
| Just like they've kind of stolen the Catholic Church and they've put a pope who is a pope of this new religion that doesn't mention anything Catholic, that only mentions, makes sins out of things that are political things and aren't helpful at all. | ||
| So I think that's what this is all about. | ||
| And we always wonder, why does it keep coming back? | ||
| It's such a silly idea. | ||
| This isn't a real person. | ||
| In the piece there, Father Mike Smith says, you know, they have record of all this. | ||
| You can't really go to confession this way. | ||
| But I think they want to make that. | ||
| I read David Horowitz, the late David Horowitz said once, the radical is great at destroying things, but they're not really, they don't really have any good ideas about building the new things back, the new world that they're trying to create. | ||
| They kind of fall down there. | ||
| And that's what this is. | ||
| This is trying to create this new, you know, media kind of type of AI world they can have control over and a whole new religion. | ||
| And unfortunately, the Catholic Church is quite a part of it. | ||
| Frank, let me ask you this question. | ||
| Have you ever, which do you use any form of AI app like Chat GPT? | ||
| No, no, I don't, but I do Google a lot of things and I find that, you know, I think it's very helpful. | ||
| And I know people that work with AI and they find it very helpful too. | ||
| I don't think, I think it's just a new level of computer power is what it really is. | ||
| But I noticed that coming out of the Vatican, that they're always talking about it. | ||
| They have big meetings. | ||
| They pull together people from Microsoft and all sorts of businesses discuss it. | ||
| And that's not a good sign. | ||
| What that means is they want to be involved in that. | ||
| They want to have a new, they've been so successful with media over the last hundred years at being able to create this society and destroying religion in the hearts and the lives of people. | ||
| They have no contact with their culture, with the people from the past. | ||
| They don't know what to do. | ||
| That's why they're going to this machine, that they just want to make sure that they are the compute, in their mind, the computing and the AI is something, a tool that they can use to continue to manipulate us, to give us this whole new religion. | ||
| They know that we need religion. | ||
| That's why they stole it. | ||
| They want to give us a new one now. | ||
| But that's just the bad side. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They are doing that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's interesting because I use ChatGP a little bit, but I also use the Hallow app, which I don't think has the chat function. | ||
| But it's fascinating because the need is so strong. | ||
| And what the need represents, not just a need for spirituality, but spiritual leadership. | ||
| And that is completely lacking in, at least so far, in the Catholic Church and in this new papacy. | ||
| I mean, Publio did an interview, released this in the first interview since ascending to the throne. | ||
| And in it, he complained or he expressed concern that Elon Musk was earning too much money. | ||
| And he expressed concern over wealth inequality. | ||
| And he also said, he also said that the polarization in society was down to the erosion of the family and society. | ||
| And I mean, that is a very banal statement. | ||
| That's sort of like saying, I don't like bad guys. | ||
| I don't like bad things. | ||
| I don't like mean people. | ||
| I mean, you know, where is the really hard leadership? | ||
| Why did he not say what was causing the erosion of the family and society? | ||
| Instead, he just goes through with these platitudes and these vague statements that it's very hard to disagree with. | ||
| And I mean, this is exactly what the Church of England does. | ||
| This is exactly what the leadership just, our government leadership does as well. | ||
| I mean, it's almost indistinguishable from this sort of lib dem, you know, happy, clappy, oh, why can't we all get along vibe over of the centrists in politics? | ||
| We obviously can't all get along. | ||
| We obviously need something harder and truer and more robust. | ||
| And if AI is the only place that the lay person, the humble sinner can get that, I mean, maybe in the short term, but I would agree with Frank. | ||
| I mean, it's a very strange direction to take. | ||
| My very limited experience with faith does indicate to me that it needs flesh and blood and it needs material reality. | ||
| It needs physical space, bricks and mortar. | ||
| And those things are irreplaceable. | ||
| Musk's he mentioned Musk in that situation because that's a political opportunity for him. | ||
| There's a lot of zillionaires that he could have mentioned, but he has to worry about his own support. | ||
| But Musk, in his mind, that's still a never Trump thing to discuss. | ||
| And it's a precursor to this encyclical, which he's getting ready to release, which is all on this subject. | ||
| He's supposed to be the new Leo XIII. | ||
| And we can see now from this what he said here by referring to Musk, who retweeted back to him today and told him, take the log out of your own eye, which is very, I think, very relevant. | ||
| We can see from that this encyclical is going to be completely political. | ||
| It's going to be a political hammer to hit back at, and that's why he was the same way with Charlie Kirk. | ||
| He's the Pope of left-wing politics, and that's his job. | ||
| He is the honorary chaplain of the New World Order, as was his predecessor, the late unlamented Bergoglio. | ||
| That's all we've got time for on that segment. | ||
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| Guys, I just want to say one thing to tie some of these things that we've been discussing on the show together. | ||
| You're going to have a situation when, say, look at the UK, including Northern Ireland, right? | ||
| You're going to have a situation in the next couple of years where people are going to be so fired up about protecting their cultural identity, their homeland, from all forms of undermining coming out of the invasion, but not only the invasion. | ||
| Tens of thousands of young kids, they're going to be completely unchurched, but they know they are going to identify very strongly as Christian. | ||
| And they're going to come knocking at the doors of churches of the Church of England, of the Catholic Church. | ||
| Our priests and our pastors need to be ready for this and need to take this opportunity that I think Christ is giving them to regrow Christianity here in what used to be called Christendom. | ||
| But I have the fear, you know, listening to what you're saying, Jenny, listening to what you're saying, Frank, I have this fear in the bottom of my heart that that door is going to be slammed firmly in their faces, which would be a great tragedy and a great waste, especially as, Jenny, as you're just exposing to us on the back of an article in all places, the New York Times, just how strong this thirst is for God. | ||
| You know, there's a thirst that only God can respond to. | ||
| It is interesting. | ||
| I was going to say earlier when you were talking about just the wishy-washy platitudes coming out of the Vatican, I think this is why Islam is doing so well, because it offers certainty, relative simplicity behind its. | ||
| I've said before, Islam is a false religion. | ||
| It's not founded on the divine revelation of God to mankind. | ||
| But Muslims live that faith very coherently, very credibly. | ||
| And that coherence is, to use the word evangelizing. | ||
| People see that and they respond to it. | ||
| They respond to it positively. | ||
| Because man is made to respond to seeing people live their faith coherently. | ||
| Can I add something to that? | ||
| It's also very, they're very confident in their belief. | ||
| They're very confident in openly expressing it, to put it mildly. | ||
| And what happens when Christians confidently express those beliefs? | ||
| Other so-called Christians or other, even non-woke liberals, try and tear them down and try and portray them as some sort of crypto-fascist, shadowy Christian nationalist entity. | ||
| So we are shaming our own side, essentially, when especially young people want to be bold and brave and trumpet their true and authentic belief. | ||
| People who are supposed to be supposedly on their own side then go and tear them down. | ||
| This is a grave problem in the west in general, and it's very hard to move forward and making common cause in a united front when um, you know, people who are supposed to be on our own side are trying to prevent us, malign us or um, shut us down. | ||
| Yeah, we are very much being kicked in the back of our knees by people who ought to be leading the way. | ||
| There are too many hireling shepherds, not not enough shepherds. | ||
| Jenny, where do people go on social media to catch up with your analysis? | ||
| Best place is substack, which is Jennyeholland.substack.com, and you can also find me on x, at Semper, Femina21 and frank. | ||
| Where do people go for for canon 212? | ||
| Canon 212 with one end. | ||
| Type it up in the address line and also uh, you can see the daily update at Glory TV and at UM Rumble and on twitter. | ||
| Canon 212 spelled out um and you have your sub stack as well. | ||
| Folks, don't forget I say this every time canon 212 is such an important resource in in keeping you informed on what's going on, to help help restore your sense of agency As Catholics, to hold our hiring shepherds to account. | ||
| That is all we have time for today. | ||
| We'll be back next week, same time. | ||
| Thank you to my guests, Frank Walker, Jenny Holland, to Spencer and Will, and everyone at Real America's Voice. |
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