Bannon's War Room - Episode 4673: The 3 R's For Victory Recess, Rescission, And Redistricting

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July 31, 2025 - Bannon's War Room

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Episode 4673: The 3 R's For Victory Recess, Rescission, And Redistricting

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mike lee

18:03

steve bannon

20:43

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camryn kinsey

03:15

caroline wren

04:21

mike lindell

01:12

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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
		Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
		Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
		The people have had a belly full of it.
		I know you don't like hearing that.
		I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
		It's going to happen.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼		And where do people like that go to share the big line?
		MAGA media.
		I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified		Warroom, here's your host, Stephen K. Max.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Thursday, 31 July, Year of Our Lord 2025.
		We're on fire this morning in the war room.
		And why?
		Because it's a workday.
		And we can see clearly now exactly what's happening.
		It's pretty evident.
		In fact, I call it the three R's plus another R, regime change.
		We'll get to that momentarily.
		Mike Lee, Senator Mike Lee is going to come up, talk about recess.
		He's had a plan from the beginning and trying to hammer through.
		I actually think what Senator Lee's plan is fantastic.
		And if we can't implement it, we ought to go to the recess appointment route.
		So the three Rs.
		Here's take your number two purnal out.
		This is our work.
		Number one is recess, right?
		What does it mean?
		Why are we going on it?
		What's supposed to happen during it?
		Number two is rescissions.
		That was the deal that was made to get the votes in the big, beautiful bill.
		Remember, the House approved a Senate version that was quite different in the House.
		And War Room possibly, we didn't love the House version.
		We had all kind of problems with the House version.
		However, we were prepared to take the good with the bad, the sweet with the sour.
		The Senate version was even worse.
		But there was this agreement that the president was going to use his Article II power driven by Russ vote and the team for rescissions.
		Now, we had one the symbolic rescission of the $9.4 billion, and you thought it was the end of the world.
		That got rid of a billion dollars over at NPR and PBS, and I think another $8 billion from USAID and other programs like that.
		But that's not the drop in a bucket.
		It was symbolic that it could be done.
		Now there's other rescissions packages ready to go.
		Why are they not coming forward?
		These have big, big, big cuts.
		And if you can't do that, pocket rescissions.
		Where President Trump just puts it in his pocket and says, hey, the money's not going to spent September 30th.
		These are rescissions for this fiscal year, this fiscal year.
		September 30th comes, money hasn't been spent.
		Bob's your uncle.
		And the third, and I think the one we just ought to get to, cut the games out.
		Let's just go and pound the money and go back.
		The Empoundment Control Act of, I think, 1972 or 71, 72, 73 was done with a gun to Nixon's head, a gun to Nixon's head, and he agreed to it.
		It's totally unconstitutional, President.
		And we have to use this as another exercise to prove our theory in the case on the unitary executive theory of being chief executive officer of the president, chief executive, commander in chief, and chief magistrate.
		Yo, let's just roll and roll hard.
		We got to have these cuts.
		And I'm telling you, remember that the default position of the imperial capital is to spend more and to lie to you.
		And this is one of the number one priorities of MAGA.
		And folks, they understand, you keep spending, you're going to keep having problems with interest rates.
		This is one of the reasons the Fed can point to and say, no, we can't cut because you're going to have this inflation.
		We cannot continue on with $2 trillion deficits.
		That's just another Keynesian disaster.
		Now that you see the supply side starting to kick in, that private sector is growing higher than public sectors.
		Now's the time to cut the public sector.
		That is what rescission is about.
		So, Caroline, I realize none of the donors, the fix is in.
		Nobody wants to cut spending except for the grassroots, and they want to cut spending because they're the recipient of all the negative of the spending, right?
		They're not lobbyists.
		They don't have their own lobbyists.
		They're not getting a special deal.
		And Rand Paul in that clip is so powerful.
		It said, in the old days, they used to spend all this money and go to the junior guy and have all the junior guys hooked up and everything like that.
		They don't need to do it anymore.
		They go right to leadership.
	And here's why.
	Leadership in the Senate, John Thune, with that slick look and, you know, looks like the all-American boy.
	Right now, he doesn't not just agree, doesn't trust President Trump.
	Because if he trusted President Trump, they would actually go on a recess.
	He and Johnson would work it out.
	And then President Trump could do some things with recess appointments and other things.
	They don't trust him.
	He's just like McConnell.
	Also, they're lying to us.
	They're up on Capitol Hill right now, and their staffs are going to stay.
	And some of these people are going to work over the recess where they do codels in Sweden and in Athens and in the Greek islands because you got to go there to look at NATO naval installations.
	And oh, maybe we'll hang out in the beach for a week, right?
	They don't want to do any cuts.
	And their staffs are working away to come back with an omnibus.
	And they're going to put a gun to Trump's head and said, hey, you're on a roll and you don't want your government to shut down.
	But hey, we didn't have time to do the single subject appropriations bills.
	We never got them done.
	Sorry.
	We didn't have time.
	You didn't, you know, these years.
	And, you know, we know you don't want to do a CR like you did with approving Biden's budget.
	No more CRs.
	We're just going to do an omnibus.
	It's 9,000 pages.
	It's got all this crap in there for the lobbyists.
	But if you don't do it, come midnight on the 30th, your government's going to shut down.
	The Democrats want it.
	It'll never open back up.
	You won't have your border patrol.
	You won't be able to go do your mass deportations.
	None of the things you want to do, you'll be able to accomplish.
	And they're going to say, man, you know, this thing's got a $2.5 trillion deficit, but we got to do it to keep the government open.
	Ma'am, what is wrong with my theory of the case of exactly this is reality of what's happening, not the happy talk on Fox where they get up there and they're talking RNC talking points.
	This is the deal right now, ma'am.
caroline wren ▲ ● ▼		Disagree with anything that you're saying.
		I mean, I agree.
		I'm glad the $9 billion rescissions package passed, but there's way more to cut.
		I mean, $9 billion is putting a band-aid on a bullet womb.
		And the ultimate budget kill switch is the pocket rescission.
		It's legal.
		It's powerful.
		It could gut billions in deep state pork.
		And the White House, frankly, should send a new rescissions package every two weeks.
		Like nothing should be off the table for us to be able to deal with the deficit.
		And why does the Unit Party hate rescissions packages so much?
		And it is because it strips them of their favorite things, which are slush funds, earmarks, and backroom deals.
		And look right now, we talked about this earlier, that look no further than the text is coming out from these new appropriations bill out of the house for fiscal year 26.
		Go through the text of these bills coming out.
		And Rhino Republicans are sneaking in funding for the very things that President Trump has explicitly told them do not fund.
		Mario Diaz-Billark, congressman from South Florida, he put $315 million in this most recent appropriations bill to fund the National Endowment for Democracy, NED, which you had Mike Benz on talking yesterday.
		I mean, NED is the deepest of the deep state organizations.
		Their purpose on their website is to promote democracy abroad, which, by the way, just one month ago, the State Department and the White House put out a statement saying that there will no longer be any funding to promote democracy abroad.
		Then you have Mario Diaz-Billart put $315 billion into the bill to fund this exact thing.
		And so, you know, I'm just so sick of it.
		And so the House and even in the Senate, they want to fund these pork programs.
		And so use like Russ Vote is a genius.
		Go do this, Russ.
		Get Trump's agenda passed and slash this funding in any, any, any way possible.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Well, Russ Vote's got the packages.
		The rescissions packages are ready.
		They're on his desk.
		They're stacked up.
		He's got different rescissions.
		And look, I'm hardercore than that.
		Even you got rescissions where you have to go get a vote, but it's only 50.
		You don't need to break closure.
		And that's being nice and let's all work together.
		But you saw what happened for five weeks.
		They got it up our thing.
		And every now and MSNBC, they're saying, oh, kids are starving.
		You're killing people in sub-Saharan Africa.
		You're the biggest, you know, they get to weaponize.
		The other is pocket rescues.
		You just put it in your pocket.
		You don't spend the money on national endowment of democracies.
		Midnight on the 30th comes.
		The money's from the previous year.
		Sorry, not sorry.
		I like even a more confrontational.
		I think you just impound the money and say, hey, I'm the commander in chief.
		I'm the chief executive of the government.
		The Constitution says I can do that.
		Suck on that.
		You don't like it?
		Take me to court.
		I'm going to win there.
		So just do it.
		But whatever way you do it, it's got to be done.
		You're right.
		NED.
		They got guys on USAD, every program.
		They got people trying to get NPR.
		Kerry Lake will tell you, VOA, they've taken down to the absolute statutory limits.
		They got guys putting the VOA money back in there.
		Everything that we took out, there's, and this is not Democrats.
		These are Republicans working with Democrats to put it back in, ma'am.
caroline wren ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, one option somebody needs to look at is: can we just move all this money over to the Institute of Peace?
		The only person I would trust for Congressman Buddy to this way is Darren Beatty, who, by the way, has taken over that entity to try to dismantle it.
		They have the most insane building.
		So, you know what?
		If you are so insistent on promoting peace and democracy abroad, well, then send it right over to Darren Matey.
		I'm quite certain that he will find a good use of the funds.
		So, you know, maybe that could be a kumbaya.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Lula, Lula would be removed immediately.
		He and his judges.
		You mentioned, you mentioned the E-word.
		Folks that have been around us a long time, the Teeth Party, Breitbart, Breitbart, Ray, the British.
		Remember earmarks?
		We took away the huge fight.
		We had a big, huge fight, I think, in the first year of the Tea Party, 2010, to take away earmarks.
		This is where Congressman had put their little their library or their bridge or something named after them.
		I think Shelby down in Alabama was the worst, right?
		He's naming everything.
		Every crosswalk was named in his name through earmarks.
		Grace, if you can pull the punch bowl today and get it up and highlight, I think they said there's some, Jay Sherman and his team are saying that they're working on these mini buses and all this because they're working away on these huge spending bills.
		Don't think they're sitting there thinking about cutting.
		I think I saw that there are 11,000 already.
		There's 11,000 earmarks.
		Not a dollar number.
		There's 11,000 different earmarks already that have been proposed by members of Congress because the earmarks thing is clearly gone again.
		And these guys, it's like a bazaar, right?
		If you ever been to these bazaars where they're selling stuff, you're going down aisles.
		That's what the Imperial Capital is like.
		It's like a bazaar.
		And you've got these lobbyists who now don't even go to the rank and file.
		They just, they just cut them in on the tip money.
		It's all about leadership, right?
		And this is why, you know, Kevin McCarthy leaves and immediately he sets up a lobbying shop with what, Jeff Miller, the biggest lobbyist in D.C., and these guys become the power players.
		And they're the guys driving this agenda, ma'am.
caroline wren ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I love that you just brought up the Tea Party, Richard Shelby.
		I actually, going back to that time, I was the college Republicans president at Auburn and I founded the East Alabama Tea Party.
		And I built a literal ship on campus and brought a baby pool and did this whole demonstration against Richard Shelby.
		We dumped the tea and I'm ranting against him.
		But it is, I mean, so I've been yelling about this, working on this my entire career.
		And it's still the deep state and these, and they still find a way every single time.
		And now I feel like we are the closest that we have ever been to truly bringing a hammer down and stopping this insane spending.
		Not to mention, when we were talking about deficits back then, it was always kind of a concept.
		It was hard to explain that to people of how this will really affect your lives.
		Right now, people are actually feeling it.
		They feel it more.
		I mean, this level of deficit, it affects people who cannot buy homes.
		This is now, we are living in the times that we were screwed about during the Tea Party days.
		And so there's never a better, if we can't get it done right now, we will never get it done.
		This is the only moment in history that we can truly do a course correct.
		We have the most brilliant person that we could have at the helm of this, which is Scott Besson.
		We have a president in Donald Trump who is fearless.
		The problem is we have a Congress that is Republican-led that is spineless.
		And so I'm hoping that President Trump and Scott Besson and others really step up and they force this down Congress throat because it matters for your children, your future grandchildren, for our country to survive.
		We have to deal with this spending problem.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Before I leave, and by the way, President Trump, he gets the full information.
		He gets worked up like right now.
		I'm pretty sure he's worked up about recess appointments because I think he got bad information from people.
		Mike Lee's going to be on here in a second.
		He's got this whole alternative plan that they got to stay Because they knock off every Thursday.
		And the Democrats take to the maximum, right, the ability to slow these things down to slow walk them, right?
		Using filibuster and other means for every candidate.
		And this is why only the judges have been prioritized.
		You haven't had the U.S. attorneys, and you haven't had any of the second and third-tier people to actually make it work inside the government.
		I got to think Joe Kent's one of the first guys that got in that way.
		Before you leave, how big a deal is to force Thune to go into recess because Johnson's already there, he'll do it, to go into recess.
		So President Trump gets recess appointments, which are only for a year, but you clean the whole slate of backlog of folks, right?
		You can't do judges on that, but you clean the whole slate of backlogs.
		And then they continue through the normal process for the next year to get confirmed.
		Your thoughts on that, ma'am.
caroline wren ▲ ● ▼		I'll let Mike Lee say what he thinks Senator Thune's going to do, but I would like to point out that I love to hear Mike Lee coming on.
		Mike Lee's the most brilliant constitutional attorney in the world.
		And I love the left and also, you know, Susan Collins are saying, oh, these rescissions are doing this.
		None of this is, it's not legal.
		It's not constitutional.
		All of a sudden, they care about the Constitution or what's legal.
		But Mike Lee is here telling us that, oh, yes, it is.
		No one understands the Constitution more than Senator Mike Lee.
		And so I'm very much looking forward to his update on this show.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Caroline, your social media.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		How do people keep up with you, ma'am?
caroline wren ▲ ● ▼		It's at Caroline Rand on Twitter, Getter, True Social.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, ma'am.
		Appreciate you.
		Senator Mike Lee, our great constitutionalist, is going to join us next about this whole mess.
		Also, we got a bunch of updates from Grassley.
		I'm going to talk at the bottom of the hour about the whole Tulsi thing.
		Also, Zelensky's calling for regime change.
		Well, what happened is that his legislature backed the war room and came back and said, hey, we're putting that anti-corruption group back together.
		We think you're guilty of graft.
		Tricky.
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		If we put the graphic up, Senator Lee's going to join us here in a moment.
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		The three R's.
		This is our work.
		Recess, rescissions, redistricting.
		I'm throwing a fourth in regime change.
		I'll get to that at the bottom of the hour.
		Let's talk about recess.
		Senator Mike Lee joins us.
		Senator Emil Bovey.
		They had a gathering last night, Article 3 for Emil Bovey over at Butterworth.
		Judge Janine, everybody.
		It was a who's who.
		Everybody joined us.
		It was just fantastic.
		You held court for a while.
		But it was a big deal because of the, you know, we got Judge Janine, I think it's confirmed.
		Joe Kent got confirmed yesterday.
		Emmel Bovey.
		These were all, particularly Bovey, was a power lift.
		And correct me if I'm wrong.
		I think on your plan, what we call the Mike Lee plan, you've got 150, essentially, I think, U.S. attorneys and people in the administration.
		You can't do judges, I don't think.
		I'm not sure if that's in your list, but you're saying quite simply, hey, we got to stay in.
		You know, Democrats are doing filibuster.
		They're taking everything out.
		They're slow walking.
		President Trump doesn't have his team.
		If we don't stay in town and get this done, this is going to be, I don't know, a three or four alarm fire.
		Can you walk people through the situation we're in, how we got here, and the Mike Lee solutions, sir, since I think most people look to you as being our constitutional expert, Senator Lee?
mike lee ▲ ● ▼		No, happy to do it.
		We face a confirmation backlog.
		The backlog resulted from the Democrats using a pretty unprecedented degree of obstruction.
		Now, that is their right procedurally in the Senate and in the modern Senate.
		It's become something of the norm for the opposition party to bring about delays.
		Now, that part of it's on them, but it's on us if we don't get these people confirmed.
		Their delays have been so severe, more severe than our delays have been when we've been the opposition party.
		We've now got 150 people nominated by President Trump who are languishing, waiting on the Senate floor for a vote with no action, sometimes for many months.
		Now, this is a combination, a wide array of nominees.
		A few of them are judicial nominees, but we're sort of at the beginning of the judicial nomination process.
		A lot of them are U.S. attorneys, undersecretaries, division directors of various agencies, and U.S. ambassadors.
		The bottom line is that in most of these cases, if we don't get them confirmed, we won't have the president's personnel running the executive branch of the U.S. government.
		And most of the time, you'll have career civil servants, deep state bureaucrats running the show.
		And you know what that means, Steve?
		Those guys are overwhelmingly Democrat.
		So in a Democratic administration, if they had a backlog, no worries.
		You still got Democrats running the agencies.
		In a Republican administration, the stakes are much higher because the power, the control of these agencies shifts over to the other party, the party that the American people voted against.
		So here's where we get to the solution.
		Again, Democrats created the bill.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		But hang on.
		But hang on one second.
		Before we get to your solution, because Thun's office, the leadership leaked a semaphore today.
		They got a solution that there's some certain procedural things that they can do.
		And when we get back and after we get through the budget and sometime in October, there's things they can do on the margin to stop it and that they can make the process move a little quicker.
		They've run that up the flagpole today to see if anybody salutes.
		Can you just say what they're trying to do there to try to distract our attention, sir?
mike lee ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so they've talked about a number of things.
		I'm not sure what they floated publicly, but I think at the margins is the key, particularly if they're using the term at the margins.
		It's what I might have expected anyway.
		There are things we can do to shorten the period of time That a particular vote takes.
		Most of our votes are scheduled for 15 minutes.
		They tend to drag out longer than that.
		The leader has discretion.
		He can shorten it to 10 minutes and stick to it rigidly.
		That does help at the margins.
		But look, Steve, if we leave for the month of August, and that's what they're talking about, taking the entire month of August off, not coming back until the day after Labor Day, this will reach catastrophic levels simply because of this dynamic of the deep state being overwhelmingly leftist, Democratic, counter to Trump's interest and Trump's policies.
		This problem is only going to get worse.
		Now, if we were to continue at the same pace that we're confirming these people now, it'll take us until late April of 2026 just to get through these 150.
		To say nothing of the fact that between now and late April, we'll probably add another couple hundred people to the nomination list and we'll never get caught up.
		This in turn will cause us to get backed up on our legislative agenda and we'll have a harder time enacting what Trump wants and needs as part of his initiative to make America great again.
		So we need to do this now.
		It's on Democrats for creating this delay and resulting in the backlog.
		It is on us if we, with control of the Senate and the Senate counter, if we leave for the entirety of the month of August and we don't make the Democrats stay and take their medicine, if they want to create the delay, there's got to be a consequence for that.
		And the consequence has got to be fine.
		If you want to delay, you're going to have to take a lot of votes at inconvenient times when you would much rather be somewhere else.
		Steve, there is nothing in the United States Senate that moves mountains quite like the desire to get out of town and quite like the principle of exhaustion.
		The principle of exhaustion, as I describe it, is what happens when senators are obstructing.
		When you make them stay and vote at inconvenient times, all of a sudden they magically become a lot more cooperative.
		Now, the exact opposite happens when they create these delays, they're obstructing, and you say, fine, take the whole month off.
		Don't worry about it.
		We'll deal with this when we get back.
		That encourages more of the bad behavior, more of the delays, and we will never get through this.
		As a result, what's going to happen?
		Well, President Trump yet again will be deprived of many of the benefits of the presidency.
		The American people will be deprived of many of the benefits of what they voted for.
		They did not vote for Democrats to be running these agencies.
		They did not vote for Democrats serving as deputy chiefs of mission in various embassies to continue running the U.S. operation in foreign countries.
		They voted for Republican appointees appointed by President Trump, confirmed by a Republican Senate, and that's what we have to deliver.
		But we can't do it unless we keep them here and keep them voting until this backlog is clear.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Should you're getting ready to leave?
		I mean, what has to happen?
		Is Senator Thune got to agree to this?
		Can he just do it on his own personal, he can just say it's going to happen, it's going to happen?
		I mean, to implement your plan, which is a logical plan, what has to happen and what's the probability of it happening?
mike lee ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the first step of it would be for the leader simply to say we are staying and we are going to vote, just announce that.
		He does control the calendar.
		That is how things work.
		Now, look, Senator Thune, the Senate Majority Leader, is doing a great job, and I believe he would like to do what I'm describing.
		The concern that he's got right now is that he's worried that some of our members might not show up to votes.
		And that if he extends the voting calendar into the month of August through whatever portion of August or the entirety of it, that some members just won't show up and won't cast votes and Republicans could end up losing some of these votes.
		Well, we don't know that.
		We won't know that.
		We can't know that unless or until we try.
		Now, it's one thing for people behind closed doors to go and whisper in the ear of the Senate majority leader and say, I'd really prefer not to be here, or I've got other plans, or I've just need to go and do this or that, or go on this trip or that trip.
		So please don't schedule votes.
		There's a big difference between that on the one hand and on the other hand, actually not showing up when votes are scheduled.
		And then if, heaven forbid, we lose a couple of these votes because some Republicans choose not to show up.
		It's quite another thing to assume that they still wouldn't show up after people realize that we're losing something from it.
		There are mechanisms by which we can move to reconsider a failed vote as we need to.
		And I think we could get people back here in a hurry.
		I'm also encouraged by the fact that President Trump has spoken bullishly on these issues.
		He's encouraged us to do this.
		And President Trump himself wants these people confirmed.
		And I think he understands, as I do, that it's only going to get worse if we continue to feed this beast by rewarding them when they don't get their work done.
		And they even stop us from getting our work done.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		The power Thune has, though, if somebody shows up and just unvote, he has the power on committees.
		Like you're on one of these, you know, appropriation, one of the big committees.
		Next thing you know, you're on wildlife and fisheries.
		I mean, he has tremendous power as leader to basically enforce his own will, correct?
		My point is, if he was dedicated to President Trump's plan, this could be, you could execute this.
		It might be a little tough, but can be executed, correct?
mike lee ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it's executable.
		And not even so much for the reason you described there.
		It's not quite like it is in the House where the Speaker has plenary control over pretty much everything.
		It's a little more nuanced in the Senate.
		There are some committee assignments that are in the discretion of the leader, but there's a bigger reason why I think it would work.
		And that reason is that there are only 53 Republican senators.
		People know who we are.
		Our constituents certainly know who we are.
		And nobody wants to be that person, that Republican senator, who is putting at risk our ability to get Trump's Republican nominees confirmed in the United States Senate.
		I think it would happen naturally.
		You schedule the votes and they will show up.
		It's like that movie, Field of Dreams.
		You build it and they will come.
		Schedule the votes.
		Our members will show up and they'll vote.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Senator Lee, can you hang up just for?
		I know you're busy, but just we're going to take a very short commercial break.
		I just got a question or two about this because we're obviously down to the witching hour on this topic.
		And I know it's top of mind for President Trump right now about getting his people in.
		Senator Mike Lee, our greatest constitutionalist, joins us here in the war room.
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Hakeem Jefferson is actually down addressing the Texas House.
		Harrison Brian Harrison just sent it to us.
		We're going to have more of that in the evening shows tonight.
		We're already going to be packed on that.
		Charlie Kirk follows us here at Real America's Voice, Jack Visovic, Steve Gruber, Eric Bowling.
		Then we're back five to seven tonight.
		And we're already packed in the show.
		So make sure the three R's, that and regime trade.
		We've got so much going on, particularly the Senator Lee is here.
		And Grace and the folks are doing the billblaster, but everybody get ready to get up on the ramparts because this is a call to action.
		This will work Thursday.
		So, Senator Lee, we're burning daylight here, right?
		Everybody's getting ready to blow out of here because tomorrow's 1st of August.
		Walk us through what has to happen from the grassroots support to give us a shot of implementing, of having the leader say, yeah, let's go, let's do the Mike Lee plan.
		What do we have to do?
mike lee ▲ ● ▼		We've got to have an overwhelming show of support.
		Now, I believe it's out there.
		I'm seeing a lot of it already on social media, conservative media, phone calls in from constituents to my office, to other offices.
		I believe it's there, but I think it needs to intensify in order for this to happen.
		We can be a force multiplier.
		So reach out to your senators, post on social media, talk to your friends and family members, encourage them to do the same.
		And the message needs to be simple and clear: clear the Senate confirmation backlog.
		Clear the backlog.
		Get it done.
		Stay in through August, as much of August, including all of August, if you need to, but get it done before you recess.
		Get your work done before taking a recess.
		Now, I believe that will make a big difference.
		President Trump issued a statement, a bold statement the other day that was very helpful.
		I hope he'll continue with that.
		And we need to back him up with that.
		Go to Truth Social and find his statement from over the weekend and help amplify that statement and share it with your senators.
		Now, if this doesn't work, there is a backup plan to help rescue it.
		This is the best way to do it.
		Now, as a rescue measure, if this somehow doesn't work, at a bare minimum, if the Senate absolutely insists on taking a recess rather than getting its work done and refuses to stay and work through the 150 nominee backlog, then at a bare minimum, the Senate, when recessing, when demanding that it have a recess, it needs to actually recess and not do one of these squishy, passive, aggressive, quasi-recesses.
		And what I mean by that is, for more than a decade, each time the Senate has taken a quote-unquote recess, it stops every three days, every three, sometimes it's four days, taking into account holidays and things like that.
		And they'll hold what's called a pro forma session, in which one senator, typically from the majority party, comes in, gavels in, and gavels out, meaning saying, I hereby call the Senate to order and I hereby take the Senate out of session.
		And the whole process takes about a minute or two.
		The reason we do that is to prevent presidents from making recess appointments.
		Now, look, it's one thing for an opposition party in control of the Senate to decide that that's necessary when a hostile president of the other party wants to make recess appointments.
		It is quite another thing for the president's own party, when in control of the United States Senate, when it's been trying, however half-heartedly, to get these people confirmed, but then decides to recess because it doesn't want to work in August,
		to say, we're recessing, but we're not going to give you the benefit of what presidents are supposed to have under Article 2, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, when we take a recess, which is the power to fill up vacancies with temporary appointments.
		Now, those temporary appointments under the commonly accepted reading of the recess appointments clause could remain in there, by my measure, through the end of 2026.
		That's better than nothing.
		That would allow us to avoid the deep state takeover in a lot of these agencies if he could do that.
		So at a bare minimum, if we can't or for whatever reason won't, we refuse to stay in August, which I think is inexcusable.
		But if we were to do that, then no matter what, we got to make sure that we do not hold pro forma sessions during the month of August.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Just technically, if you do that, let's say you didn't hold the pro forma, and President Trump had recessed appointments.
		You're saying by custom and tradition, you believe it goes through the end of 26, to the midterms.
		Does that person, let's say it's an assistant secretary of defense, can you simultaneously, as they're filling this as a recess appointee, can you continue on with their official confirmation process?
		And so if it takes three or four months to do it, you get it done and then they're permanent, the recess appointment goes away.
		Then you've laid out a plan that's so logical.
		You just let Trump get the recess appointments and you go back and you guys do the hard work of actually doing the confirmations in a process that people don't have a gun to their head.
		This would be a show, I think, of not lacking trust in President Trump's judgment, wouldn't it be, if he didn't do this?
mike lee ▲ ● ▼		Yes, which is exactly why.
		I mean, it's still much better.
		It's better for him.
		It's better for the nominees.
		It's better for the Senate itself.
		It's better for Republicans.
		It's better for the MAGA agenda if we stay and get it done, because it's much better when they can stay in there through the duration of the president's term.
		And we're still going to have to do the work later.
		So it's better to do it now.
		But no matter what, we shouldn't stop the president from installing them temporarily.
		And to prevent him from doing that, to come in every 72 hours and hold pro forma sessions for the sole reason of preventing our own president from our own party elected by the same voters who elected us to prevent him from making temporary appointments while we go off and take a recess.
		That would be inexcusable.
		Now, there's a lot of misinformation about there on recess appointments, including people who are saying, well, these nominees couldn't be paid if we recess appointed them.
		That's not true.
		There is a federal statute that restricts our ability to pay some recess appointees.
		I don't believe any of these fall into those categories.
		And there are others who would say, well, you can't do that because in order to adjourn the Senate for more than three days, you have to get the permission of the other chamber and the other chamber, the House of Representatives, isn't here.
		I've got two responses to that.
		First of all, I believe that there is likely a way that we could get the House of Representatives through its own type of pro forma session process.
		Perhaps they could approve our adjournment resolution.
		But even if not, even if that's not possible, there is another theory under which the Senate could send over an adjournment resolution saying we're going to recess in August.
		We're not going to hold pro forma sessions.
		And we want your permission to do this because we're required by the Constitution to do that.
		If the House of Representatives can't, won't, or for whatever reason doesn't approve that, whether because they're not in session or because they don't have a mechanism to do it while most of the members aren't there or whatever.
		I believe that that by itself creates a disagreement between the two chambers.
		A disagreement of the sort that is sufficient to trigger another provision of the Constitution, Article 2, Section 3, which empowers the president to resolve disagreements between the two chambers of Congress as to the timing and conditions of adjournment so that he himself can resolve the dispute by adjourning both bodies and setting the date and the timing of their reconvening.
		The president could exercise that power at that point.
		We could be in recess, and he would then be in poll position to make recess appointments.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You're going to make people feel a lot better if we know at the highest levels we're having these discussions.
		I mean, Mike Lee's the guy you bring in out of the bullpen when it's about the Constitution.
		Are we having these types of sophisticated and nuanced discussions right now, sir, about getting ourselves out of this jam?
mike lee ▲ ● ▼		Only all day, every day.
		I have been focused on this 23 and a half hours a day for many, many days in a row.
		Good.
		But we've got to get the message out there.
		Not everybody is as focused in on this as they should be in the Senate.
		They need to be.
		Nothing helps focus the mind quite like the concerned voices of one's constituents.
		So please let your senators know, particularly if you're represented by a Republican senator.
		Let them know.
		Yeah, Democrats are obstructing.
		They've caused the delay.
		They created the backlog, but it's on you.
		It's on us.
		It's on Republicans to fix it.
		I believe the best, the only surefire way of fixing it is for us to stay and get the work done.
		If we can't do that at a minimum, for the love of Pete, let the president have the benefit of us actually being in recess if we're going to disrespect him by taking a recess in August rather than getting his appointees confirmed.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		This entire audience knows what we have to do to get to the ramparts to be a force multiplied.
		Grace, let's give a billblaster out for anybody who doesn't have it today, the calls, the text messages, talk to the staffs, all of it.
		Certainly, why I got you for one second, just shift the topic.
		One thing I've ran about all the time, and you're my expert, rescissions, pocket rescues, impoundment.
		In your reading of the Constitution, what are our tools there?
		What are the tools that are available in your mind for effectuating these type of changes?
		Do we have to go back every time for a rescission?
		Are you in agreement that the pocket rescissions can work?
		And what is your thoughts about the Empoundment Control Act, I think, of 1971 or 72 on the impoundments?
		What should we do here?
mike lee ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me deal with those in reverse order.
		As the Empoundment Control Act, I believe that it is unconstitutional or at least constitutionally problematic.
		It's not, I think it's unconstitutional.
		It's just, I say constitutionally problematic because the courts have yet to acknowledge its unconstitutionality.
		But for the first, I don't know, 200 years nearly of the history of the Republic, 190 or so years from the moment the Constitution was ratified until the Empowerment Control Act was enacted.
		Presidents could and routinely did treat appropriated spending levels from Congress as a ceiling rather than a floor.
		There was no obligation on the part of the president to spend everything.
		If the president could fulfill whatever responsibilities there were, the president could spend less than that.
		And then in the 70s, everything got really squirrely.
		I don't know whether everybody was high on drugs or whatever.
		I was a baby at the time.
		I don't know.
		But they decided, well, we've got to change everything.
		This is the era when teachers in school started renaming everything.
		You couldn't call it recess.
		You had to call it break at school.
		You couldn't call it show and tell.
		You had to call it sharing time.
		And all of a sudden, they said we can't let presidents spend less than Congress authorizes and appropriates.
		So I think the Impoundment Control Act is highly constitutionally problematic, if not fully unconstitutional.
		And I've got a bill to repeal it.
		As far as pocket rescissions go, pocket rescissions, I believe, are fully legal under existing law.
		I believe the law allows for them.
		Russ Vogt, our OMB director, who's an absolute genius, has gone through this with a fine-tooth comb and makes a very compelling argument as to why pocket rescissions are not only acceptable, not only not illegal, but they are authorized under existing law.
		And I think we ought to continue to use them.
		Look, we're $37 trillion in debt.
		We've now got borrowing authority that could be used over the next couple of years to take that up to $42 trillion a year.
		We're now spending over $1.1 trillion a year just in interest on debt alone.
		Just a few years ago, I remember a time when our annual interest on debt was a mere $350 billion.
		And now this is more than we spend on defense.
		And this is still at a time when our treasury yield rates are at significantly below the modern historical average.
		So things are going to get a lot worse unless we arrest this issue, unless we aggressively attack it.
		And pocket rescissions have got to be part of that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		You've made me feel so much better.
		We're going to talk to you later.
		We'll get you in the next couple of weeks talk about your bill about the Constitutionality Empowerment Control Act.
		Social media, where do they go?
		Particularly today, Senator, people want to follow you nonstop.
		Where do folks go?
mike lee ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So I'm talking about both of these issues on two primary accounts on X at SendMike Lee is my official account.
		And then I've got a separate one separate from my office at based Mike Lee.
		Based Mike Lee, I post on there several times a day on this particular issue.
		Stay here, vote, clear the backlog.
		We got to get it done.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Senator Lee, you're a base.
		Thank you so much.
		And the war room posse is to the ramparts this afternoon of this issue.
		Thank you, sir.
		We know what we got to do, folks.
		Let's go get it done.
		Short break.
unidentified		Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Okay, folks, we got a lot of work to do.
		So make sure you get Bill Blaster or get to your senator right now.
		They got to stay until the backlog is cleared.
		They have to stay.
		No Senate recess.
		This is absolutely imperative.
		We got to get President Trump's team in place.
		And you can't take 30 days off.
		They wouldn't be coming back.
		It's actually more than 30 days off, coming back until after Labor Day.
		So make sure you make contact today and let them know in no uncertain terms that this is unacceptable and they got to stay.
		Cameron, you join us now.
		You just heard Mike Lee, Cameron, and they talked about 37 trade in debt, interest rates over a trillion dollars.
		We're going to have on September 30th about a $2 trillion deficit for this year.
		Tariff money is coming in.
		We got growth, you know, 3% growth.
		So higher taxes are coming in from the existing tax structure, particularly from the Big Beautiful bill and the cuts to taxes.
		But the IRS has got a mandate, and I think they've let go 10,000 folks, but they got a mandate to get every single penny they can get.
		And people got to understand if you get a letter from the IRS, if you're late finally, if you haven't filed, the IRS has a duty to come after you.
		But there's a way that you can make sure that you're only paying exactly what you absolutely owe.
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		Can you walk us through exactly how folks there can help our audience, particularly people that have a letter they've stuck in a drawer somewhere in their house?
camryn kinsey ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course, Steve.
		And thank you so much for having me on to talk about this issue.
		Americans are still getting hit with audits, back taxes, wage garnishments.
		You know, recently you did specifically mention we saw the elimination of Biden holdovers at the IRS.
		You know, President Trump did get rid of 25% of its workforce, which is a great start in ending the government overreach we saw for the past four years under Biden, where the IRS was targeting, you know, small business owners, low-income households.
		You know, but regardless for most people trying to navigate this system alone, it's an absolute nightmare, Steve.
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		So there are payment plans available.
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Look, they've done this.
		They've got the expertise, the knowledge.
		They've cut these deals before, and they know the agents to actually work with.
		So, if you got a letter, the first thing you do, don't call the IRS because then you're in the process.
		Call Text Network USA, 800-958-1000.
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		If they can't, they'll tell you right away.
		But if they can, they're going to give you some advice, some free advice about how to think about this, and then you go from there.
		But the point is, you can't just let it lay there.
		If you got a letter, just don't think it's not going to go away.
		There's these huge budget deficits, and the IRS is going to get money.
		So, make sure that if you have a problem, if you've late filed, haven't filed, got a letter, 800-958-1,000.
		Make sure you tell them Steve Bennett sent you, get a free consultation, and go from there.
		But if they can help you, they've got a billion dollars worth of settlements they've done.
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		Ma'am, first off, the question, we got a bolt.
		Are you doing okay?
		You had a little incident on TV, but you're okay.
camryn kinsey ▲ ● ▼		I did, and I am okay.
		Thank you so much for checking in.
		That was quite a scare, I think, to everybody, including my parents watching.
		And I feel bad for that, but I am doing fine.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Good, good.
		You're healthy.
		We know you're great.
		So, Chris scared us too.
		But fantastic.
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		Go talk to the Test Network USA team today.
		Thank you, ma'am.
		Appreciate you.
camryn kinsey ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Steve.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼		Good to see you.
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