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July 18, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4641: President Trump Goes On Offense And Sues WSJ; China Hackers Stealing Your Data
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The president's announcement came hours after the Wall Street Journal reported on a 2003 birthday letter sent to Epstein bearing the president's name and a drawing of a naked woman.
President Trump is reportedly furious about the report.
He has denied writing the letter and is threatening to sue the paper.
All of this coming amid growing calls from his members of his own base for more transparency around the Epstein case.
More than 20 years ago, Donald Trump says it's not true.
He says he's suing.
Wall Street Journal stands by the story.
They do.
This story had been rumored for a few days.
It was echoing throughout the sort of New York and Beltway media sphere that the journal had something and had something big, and the White House was trying to squash it.
And in fact, as the paper chronicles, there was a phone call Tuesday night with President Trump, which he denied it.
Trump himself posted on social media that he called editors at the Wall Street Journal and Rupert Murdoch himself to say, don't run this.
And then Trump's accounting.
Murdoch said he would try to stop it, but then didn't.
So that's some of the backstory here.
But this is seemingly a big deal.
Okay, Murdoch, here's the way it's going to be, brother.
You've disrespected Donald J. Trump long enough, okay?
He goes to East Palestine and gets the Biden administration.
It's a global news event, and you don't cover it live.
Is there that much happening on Fox News at 2 in the afternoon that you can't cover him live?
He hasn't been on Fox News since he announced for presidency.
Let me ask you, any guy that brought peace to the world for four years until the Chinese let off a bioweapon, right, wouldn't you think to have respect for the audience, you would have him back up here to talk about the geopolitical system?
If you had respect for people, wouldn't you do that?
They don't respect you.
Read the depositions.
The deposition, they have a fear, a loathing, and contempt for you.
A lot of this, I want to make sure you understand, particularly on Fox.
When you're watching Fox, you're not watching Fox.
What you're watching is the Murdoch, okay?
The Murdoch have Paul Ryan on their board for a reason.
That reason is that they are the controlled opposition and they are the uniparty.
And they're going to put the uniparty people up there.
Murdoch and Fox at 16, let me be blunt.
They tried to kneecap Trump with Megan Kelly at the first debate.
And Breitbart, we backed him off with the great Matt Boyle and Tony Lee.
We backed him off.
They were never that far in our camp, trust me, even when the numbers closed.
Murdoch was never, they were always jiggy about that.
Because I've argued for this from the beginning, that in that arc of looking at how the deep state has tried to stop Trump and the MAGA movement, you can easily fit in the Epstein situation, right?
If you want the full release of documents, the special prosecutor gets it.
And here's why.
Epstein is a key that picks the lock on so many things.
Not just individuals, but also institutions, intelligence institutions, foreign governments, and who is working with him on our intelligence apparatus and in our government.
This is why it's a time for choosing now.
We have to decide right now and back to president and say, hey, look, all of your great work, you just heard Tom Holman, you're about to hear Christy Noam, of closing the border.
How did we get 10 or 11 or 12 or 20 million on Biden's watch?
That was absolutely, that was a plan they had.
That wasn't random.
That has to be investigated and people held accountable like all these other things.
This is why the Justice Department is clearly overwhelmed with what they're working on.
The FBI is overwhelmed.
We only have two guys at the FBI.
We have a handful of people at the Justice Department.
The special counsel or special prosecutor can take on many projects and add people to it.
You have to get to the bottom of how the invasion took place, why we now have to put up $170 billion in the latest bill to do this.
Today, the Justice Department has signaled they're going to try to make their case to a judge to release more material.
And as we've been saying all week, amid this firestorm, the Justice Department has several options.
Option A, plan A that they've been following is just to say, look, this is over, nothing else to see here.
Clearly, that's not working.
So they're going down the menu.
Other options are to release information themselves, petition the court, which is what they're going to do to release more information, and even potentially appoint a special prosecutor.
But in going to the court, like you said, it is up to a judge whether additional material will be released.
And it's unclear what they're going to say to the judge to convince the judge to release secretive grand jury material.
Because what we're talking about here is not the entirety of all the evidence the Justice Department has.
It is what was produced in those secretive grand jury proceedings.
We know that Jeffrey Epstein was, of course, charged, but he was never prosecuted because he died in prison.
But his associate, Ghislaine Maxwell, she was actually prosecuted.
And we got a lot of information throughout the course of that trial and subsequently.
But there is still some material under seal from the grand jury.
And the reason it continues to remain under seal, not only because it's grand jury material, but also their arguments that it needs to remain secretive to protect victims and accusers.
So now the Justice Department's challenge is they need to come up with some sort of argument about why it needs to be unsealed.
They can't go to the judge and be like, hey, could you help us out of a jam here?
I mean, they need to get around really important protections for these victims and accusers.
Now, nothing is going to happen immediately.
This judge is going to need to consider this, likely let other people who could be impacted by this weigh in.
It's really unclear if this is going to be successful.
And even if it is, Sarah, if the folks calling for more transparency will be satisfied, because I don't think they're going to forget that the Justice Department has a lot of other evidence, evidence that the Attorney General said that she was reviewing available to release.
So this will buy them maybe sometime, but unclear if this is going to be successful in helping them move past this controversy.
I'm skeptical.
They had this big, you know, Murdoch set this trap for Trump.
He set a perfect trap to have the Kiblo-Els surround him, the Lilliputians, right, to surround him in this thing and to try to take him down.
The Murdoch, remember, the Murdoch, did I mention they were foreigners?
Have I mentioned that yet?
The Murdochs have this plan to thwart and stop Trump.
And they don't care who their instrument is.
It could be DeSantis before the robot rusted.
And now they're going to go to Yunkin or Tim Scott.
You pick it, right?
There's no one who hates Trump more than the Murdoch.
I got fired in April of 2023.
In May of 2023, they asked me to run for president against Trump and said they would back me.
Obviously, I'm not running for any, you know, I would never get elected anypost.
I like Trump.
I mean, that's the funny thing is I actually genuinely, you know, I get frustrated.
I'm frustrated now.
So hold on.
I'm sorry, you just said that.
And people buy, I mean, they asked you to run for president against Trump, the murder.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lachlan Murdoch said you should run for president.
We'll back you.
The whole thing, the whole.
The whole Fox News apparatus.
And not just Fox, but, you know, Wall Street Journal, all of their papers.
Absolutely.
Yeah, we'll back you.
And that came right from.
You should do that.
I was already gone.
They'd already canceled my show.
I was still under contract, but they canceled my show.
You should run.
We support you.
You should run.
We want to stop Trump.
Yeah, well, he was running.
Welcome.
It's Friday, 18 July, the year of our Lord 2025.
We're so jammed with news today.
And my co-host, Natalie Winters, who will be doing the bulk of the show a little bit later, is with me.
Jack Bisobic's with me.
So I have preached this gospel for a long time.
And last night we saw it in all its ugliness.
The Murdochs hate Trump.
The Murdochs want to take down Trump.
And this is why on this Epstein and everything, including the rest of the going at the Deep State, we have to be on offense all the time.
Last night they put up a phony letter, which I understand from senior sources working with President Trump.
They never even showed the letter.
They don't even know if they have the letter.
They may be doing the letter from something that people told them about.
President Trump had discussions with senior people at the Wall Street Journal, which is always the instrument they're going to take out MAGA and to take out Trump, right?
The sharpest tool that they've got.
They used the New York Post as more of a populist entity.
And of course, Fox News is for rhinos.
But the Wall Street Journal is the neoliberal, neocon sharp end of the stick that they come after Trump.
And last night, they tried to actually destroy him with what looks like a phony and fake letter.
President Trump has put him on blast, put Murdoch on blast particularly, as I have long recommended.
Those clips right there are over a number of years.
And who had the stones, the stamps, and Murdoch says, most of these guys are still sucking up to Fox and sucking up to the Wall Street Journal.
Quite frankly, the Murdoch concocted something last night and thought it'd be a kill shot on President Trump.
And lo and behold, it's the exact opposite because President Trump is now on offense of what we said should be done.
The Attorney General should go to the judge and release not just grand jury, but ask them to unveil all of the evidence, all of the sealed evidence.
They should petition it to release all the sealed evidence, right?
And then there's much more they can do, but start with that.
I got Natalie, Jack Pasovic, Pozo, you've taken a lot of grief.
Oh, you know, we don't have Trump's back.
In fact, we've made the recommendations that are the best for President Trump in this movement, which is President Trump is best when it's attack, attack, attack.
This is the deep state.
This is the ruling class in America.
They're trying to use it to destroy President Trump.
And last night, I think he understood of the Wall Street Journal, as much as he's tried to do in the big, beautiful bill and these other things that get supply-side tax cuts, as much as he's tried to do, it's never enough because he has a populist nationalist movement and they hate.
And this is old man Murdoch, who made the decision to come after President Trump.
And I understand the lawsuit that they're putting together is going to be absolutely incredible.
And you saw President Trump a true social this morning.
He can't wait to get Rupert Murdoch on the stand.
You know, Murdoch squirmed out of having to do the Dominion thing because of the emails that Rupert Murdoch said we're going to make Trump a non-person, a non-person, but he ain't going to get away from Trump this time.
Poso, where are we in all this, sir?
Steve, I'll tell you where we are.
We're so back.
Look, everyone is firing on all cylinders.
The MAGA movement is completely united behind this fight right now.
And, you know, when I look at some of this, heard about this story coming out earlier in the day yesterday and spoke with a number of high-level contacts as well.
I know you did.
And I said, wait a minute, what do they have?
And I said, and I kept getting back, they don't have anything.
They have a story about a thing.
And I said, well, where did they get this?
And then it comes out that it's this letter that nobody's actually seen.
I said, wait a minute.
So what is your source if you don't actually have the letter?
And I'm starting to think, Steve, I'm starting to think.
I put this up on Twitter last night that the source has something to do with former elements of the Department of Justice.
I tweeted out last night that it sounds like their source might be Ghelane Maxwell over some prison phone or something like this because they don't have the letter.
The White House asked for the letter.
They wouldn't produce the letter.
They wouldn't show this thing.
They don't know where this is coming from.
They've got a source.
They claim it's Ghelane Maxwell.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Then you've got the great Susan Crabtree.
She sends me a message.
She's got it up now as well over at Real Clear Politics saying that the author of this report at the Wall Street Journal is a former member of the Department of Justice who was directly tied to who?
Glenn Simpson, the founder of Fusion GPS.
And we know that Fusion GPS, the Steele dossier, this also came up through the Wall Street Journal, through so many of these sources, so through many of the same channels.
So I would love to see that if there is this lawsuit, if it does go forward, and I certainly hope that it does, I want to see the names.
I want to see this connection.
So the individual's name here, Joe Palazzo.
Joe Palazzo is someone we need to look at.
Listen to this.
Joined the Wall Street Journal in 2010 from trade publication, Maine Justice, where he covered the U.S. Justice Department.
So he was over at the U.S. Justice Department prior to all of this.
And, you know, it's really, really interesting.
The Maine Justice was Glenn Simpson's wife's publication.
Simpson founded Fusion GPS.
So there's a lot of connections, very, very strange connections here, Steve.
Fusion.
Natalie's going to be with us.
She's going to come in right after the break.
This thing stinks to high heaven.
Fusion GPS is about as dirty a political operator as you can possibly get.
This all goes back to them.
It turns out they never showed the letter to President Trump.
He's got him on blast.
They're going to put the Wall Street Journal, they're going to drop a suit on the Wall Street Journal and on Murdoch personally.
My understanding is President Trump tried to engage with the senior levels and say, hey, show us what you got before you publish something.
No, but they, and they've been rumored this, oh, there's going to be things so big.
It was a dud, a complete dud.
I mean, do anybody think Trump talks like that or writes like that?
It's absurd.
And they don't have any proof.
This thing is a complete debacle, but it showed their hands.
This is why we advocated from the beginning, Jack, be on offense, be on offense, be on offense.
They're trying to set a million traps and there are more traps out there.
The best way to get around these traps is go on offense.
Attack, attack, attack.
That's the mode that Trump's best in.
And it's the Murdochs that are coming after you because they're the heads of the ruling class.
They're the media arm, the propaganda arm for the ruling class.
They're out there in Sun Valley at the Billionaires Conference with all these tech billionaires and all the tech bros plotting.
And the more President Trump does for them, the more they want to destroy him.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
Root turn, Natalie Winters, is actually co-hosting A Riding Shotgun for the first part.
She's going to take over.
Eduardo Bolsonaro is going to join us.
They're going after his father after President Trump supports him in Brazil.
Short break.
Back in a moment.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Man.
The Brazilian government has cracked down hard, essentially worse than house arrests on President Bolsonaro with a brutal kind of suppression or repression today.
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Natalie Winters is hosting today.
I wasn't supposed to be here.
I had some things to do this morning, but jumping in here because of the fiasco last night with the Murdoch.
Natalie, you're out of hair and makeup.
Are we ready for the close-up, ma'am?
Are you ready?
I think you take longer to get ready than I do, but I digress.
Hold it.
Are you saying I have more product?
I use more product in my hair?
I think so.
Yeah, that's more credible than the Wall Street Journal story.
Well, let's talk about that.
You and I have been hammering these people for a long time.
Talk to me about where does this story come from and to know the shoddy nature of how they dealt with President Trump.
This is the most upsetting thing.
Not only does it look like where are the sources of this?
Where's actually this letter?
Where's this picture?
Where's all this that they allege?
Also, the cast of characters in the back of it, ma'am.
Sure.
Well, it's not journalism, right?
It's information warfare.
I think that's pretty clear, the lack of sources, the outlet that it's coming from.
And I think if you trace it back, sort of what Jack was alluding to, right, the links to Fusion GPS, the Steel dossier, what was sort of the, I would say, Achilles' heel of that whole information laundering operation, besides the fact, obviously, that all the information was fake, but it was that they put it through BuzzFeed, right?
No one cared about BuzzFeed.
They thought it was a joke of a publication, but they put it through BuzzFeed because they were willing to publish it because they had such low editorial standards.
So I think there's sort of an interesting correction, right, from the deep state's efforts to sort of attack President Trump.
So now they're going with a more reputable outlet, right, laundering it through the Wall Street Journal.
But as Jack was alluding to, it's still the same characters with these ties, these vestiges, to really the same apparatus that isn't explicitly democratic.
And frankly, it's not even explicitly domestic.
I think it represents more of the global elite.
But to add on to what Jack was saying, this reporter, right, it's a dual bylined author.
So the individual, the man who was on this, the guy by the name of Joe, he actually was part of the Wall Street Journal leading to the reporting that actually led to the first trial of President Trump, the one relating to Stormy Daniels and the payments.
And don't just take my word for it.
The New York Magazine and a host of other sort of legacy media outlets did glowing profiles on this guy.
He actually earned the Pulitzer Prize for these contributions, saying that he, quote, helped set in motion the first criminal prosecution of a sitting president.
And his findings were actually included and if not really compromised or constituted the backbone of a lot of D.A. Bragg's case against President Trump.
So sure, maybe you just want to call this guy a partisan hack, but I think the critique of him is sort of more acute than that, right?
And that he is a hatchet man designed part of that apparatus to come after President Trump, weaponize information.
But Steve, I also think it's worth noting, too, taking a step back, that this is sort of an effort to make the whole Epstein saga now about President Trump and a stupid birthday card and sort of, you know, memeify it into a silly picture.
This is about the intel agencies, foreign and domestic, and that's what we need to be focusing on.
And that's what I think Pam Bondi's unsealing of a lot of these transcripts, the grand jury stuff, that's a good start, but we need to go in that direction and not let this get reduced into some sort of tabloid-esque story that they're trying to make it out to be.
Natalie, and I'll get Jack in Here on the same question.
The lack of respect they have for the MAGA movement and for the MAGA information warfare department is shown in the selection of these authors and writers.
They're not even hiding it.
I mean, and this is why I said the other day down in Tampa: we have to go after the deep state.
If we don't take it apart on President Trump's watch, no matter if this watch ends with this term or he has another, if we don't take it down on President Trump's watch, it will envelop us.
It's over.
This is our shot.
And you saw right there how brazen they are to pull people in institutions.
And the Wall Street Journal is supposed to be so revered.
I mean, this was a political operative, deep state intelligence service's hit job using the Wall Street Journal as its platform, was it not, ma'am?
Well, obviously.
I mean, look at the selective standards in terms of publishing, whether it was the Hunter-Biden hard drive, the origins of COVID, right?
I think everything with a legacy media, it's not necessarily just straight-up lies, right?
It's lies of omission.
And timing is everything.
But Steve, I think the concerning point, and it's why we've been calling for sort of a special prosecutor, a special counsel investigation into a lot of this stuff, is that I think the fact that the Trump administration is sort of misdiagnosing the importance of the Epstein files to me suggests that they don't understand the core issue as to why his base is so galvanized over.
And it's because it gets to the heart of the issue, right, which is who runs this country.
And I think you're sort of seeing a, shall we say, softening or whitewashing of a lot of these core issues.
I mean, take, for example, the immigration front, right?
I'm not even talking amnesty, but when you see this being reframed to strategic deportations or just focusing on the criminals, that misses the forest for the trees.
People are animated about the immigration issue because of cultural factors and wanting to preserve their country.
It's not merely a function of criminality and economic statistics.
That's part of it.
So that's why I think this is concerning on both ends, right?
The deep state isn't softening up.
They're not taking this as, oh, look, the Trump administration, they don't want to dive into the Epstein files.
Let's just move on.
How sick is that that they're now weaponizing this against him?
And the Trump administration is just putting out posts saying, oh, it's a hoax.
Let's move on.
The reason why we know the other hoaxes that he called out are hoaxes are because we actually had the information released to prove that.
And a lot of that information is the information that we are now using on this show currently to disprove these current allegations because they're all coming from the Russia hoax, the Fusion GPS hoax, the Steele dossier, the Hillary Clinton ties.
So this is why we're advocating for transparency.
So yes, I blame the Wall Street Journal.
This is obviously a bogus story, but I think it's not a ridiculous assertion to sit here and say that the Trump administration needs to get their act together and release these documents, release the relevant information.
It's what his base wants, not because we're crazy, but because we understand who rules this country.
And by the way, President Trump, if you don't, just look at how they're coming after you in the Wall Street Journal this morning or last night, rather.
Yeah, look at everything President Trump's done, the supply-side tax cut, all of it, the issues this week on the Genius Act.
It's never enough.
They're trying to story.
Jack, Natalie's hit the core point of it.
This is why we called for a special prosecutor for everything, to go back to Crossfire Hurricane, to the bogus leak of the dossier, the steel dossier, all of it, because it's all of a piece.
This is how they're coming after Trump to destroy him and the MAGA movement, sir.
Steve, when you look at the links directly tying these operatives, the Steel dossier, Crossfire Hurricane, the hoax, it seems as though some of the statements, if you go back and look at what President Trump was talking about, it actually looks like this is what he was referring to all along, because you can see the direct, here we are less than 12 hours after this thing dropped and boom, direct link to Fusion GPS, direct link to this deal dossier.
This stuff gets reported.
And of course, when we have information, we've got files, documents, all of it, the media says, oh, don't look at that.
Don't look at all that stuff.
Forget about that.
But they've got a source of a source of a source when they can't even provide what they have because they don't have the goods.
All of a sudden, that gets full billing.
But even the Democrats yesterday, I got to say, they were running around and they couldn't answer the question, why didn't you release any of this stuff when you had full control of the government for four years?
If President Trump was implicated in any of these files, and I've said this throughout, I've said this for years.
If he was implicated in these files, why did you sit on it?
Why wouldn't Merrick Garland release it?
You wouldn't have needed a Fusion GPS.
You wouldn't have needed this phony story about Russians and Moscow tower and all the rest.
You wouldn't have needed any of that if there was some direct nefarious link to the Epstein files.
No, you also certainly wouldn't need Merrick Garland and these four trumped up, ridiculous cases all throughout the country in 2023 and 2024.
And by the way, I'll even go a step further.
You got Douglas.
I thought this was a meme.
I just saw this.
Douglas Murray is up there in the New York Post last night.
He's got a thing, posts 1145 p.m.
It says, how many voters really care about Jeffrey Epstein?
How many voters really care about Jeffrey Epstein?
This is an actual guy in the New York Post from Douglas Murray.
Have you ever been there?
Have you ever been to Epstein Island, Douglas?
This is ridiculous.
It's so they're they're treating you like fools.
They're treating the American people like fools.
They're treating the MAGA movement like fools.
And let me tell you something.
MAGA hat stays on.
All right.
The MAGA hat stays on.
The MAGA hat is fully on.
We're locked in.
We're focused.
And we'll see.
We'll see, guys.
Give us your best shot because we ain't going anywhere.
When we come back, I want to talk about continuing on offense.
What President Trump is talking about is a massive civil suit against Murdoch in the Wall Street Journal.
This is why we need a special prosecutor.
We need to ramp this up to criminal.
We need to see all the interconnections here and what they did.
First off, the letter looks like it's completely made up because nobody's seen it.
But even when made up, it's irrelevant.
They're just trying to stir the pot here.
And this is what happens when you Don't stay on offense.
President Trump and the MAGA movement is best on offense.
And all those that said, hey, let's move along, let's move along.
No, this is a centerpiece of the deep state trying to destroy Trump, going to destroy Trump, and going to destroy the MAGA movement.
This is why I said in Tampa the other day, you got to do it.
You got to do it now.
And look, it's going to be unpleasant, but big deal.
We've gone through enough.
We've gone through unpleasant stuff before, but you have to attack, attack, attack.
And now we need the apparatus for criminal charges and criminal investigations.
Civil is fine, but civil is not going to do it.
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Okay, welcome back.
Jack, I want to talk about staying on offense here and what needs to be done because it's great that Pam Bondi and the Attorney General is going to go petition the court to release the grand jury testimony.
Also, I think simultaneously, he's got to look to unveil all the evidence that's under seal to unseal it.
But there's much more to do here.
What is your recommendation?
Look, I think a lot of this comes down to a guy who's already on board with the AG's office over there at the Department of Justice, Ed Martin.
You got Ed Martin over there.
He was the one who was looking at pardons.
Why not appoint Ed Martin to run a task force into Epstein, find out everything that was going on, find out everything that was there, find out everything that is releasable, protect the victims, of course, but then go after anything that they've got out, whether it's grand jury that needs to be petitioned.
Okay, you go and make that petition.
Then if you've got information, if you've got interviews, if you've got videos, boom, make it out.
Ed Martin, I think the man for the job is already there.
Yeah, Thune's got to bring Judge Dineen for a vote like ASAP.
She came out of committee yesterday for confirmation on that fiasco they had with Emil Bovey.
And boy, I would love to have Emil Bovey.
I understand they're teeing him up for the Supreme Court, but man, we need Emil Bovey right now.
But Judge Dineen, Thune's got to call the Senate together and vote on her like Monday or Tuesday or over the weekend.
Don't go home.
Like vote on her immediately.
We need Judge Dineen.
You need Ed Martin.
I know.
And for all the people sitting there, oh, he's not thinking about special represents.
There are people arguing against that.
I understand that.
And people that are very smart inside the administration and close to President Trump.
But there are also other people arguing for it.
And I think our arguments far outweigh the negatives.
Jack, also other means of staying on offense.
Right now, the MAGA movement's got to come together.
For all those people who said just nothing to see here, they're going to use everything they can to destroy Trump on every element.
And this is why it's got to be raised up to the level of a criminal investigation, not just civil.
President Trump is going to go after them civilly.
He's already beaten ABC.
He's already beaten CBS.
Steve Colbert got canceled last night, right?
So you're winning many things, but a civil suit against the Murdoch is fine.
A civil suit against Fox.
But we need to raise this up to a criminal level.
Do we not, sir?
Look, that's what's so great about starting it this way.
You have someone go in there that you can trust, that has the president's back.
That guy is Ed Martin.
Ed Martin gets results.
That's why they were so terrified of him at the U.S. Attorney's Office.
And then when he's pursuing all of this and he finds information and say, wait a minute, hold on.
You pull this thread a little bit more.
It raises to the level of criminal.
Then boom, now you've got your probable cause.
Now you've got your suspects.
Now you've got people that you can go after.
Look, follow the evidence where it leads, of course.
But obviously we know that there was criminal activity involved with Epstein and it clearly involved more people than just Ghillain Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
And they keep trying to tie President Trump in.
And the more they try to tie him into this network, the dumber the story looks.
He's the guy who kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago.
He's the guy who said, how can I help the investigators?
None of the other people, by the way, down there in Palm Beach.
It was President Trump back when he was the Mar-a-Lago club owner, when he was in private capacity, said, how can I help with this?
So those are the people, by the way, those are the people who don't want this case looked into.
They would prefer it be kept quiet.
And that's why you got all the Democrats in the mumble tank.
When they ask them about this, you got Raskin up there, little Jamie Raskins.
Oh, well, you know, we were looking at different things and Jaya Powell.
Oh, no, because Jack Smith and Merrick Garland were probably told, don't go down the Epstein rabbit hole.
It also goes right to the intelligence services of both this country and Israel.
Let's be blunt about this.
That's why all the Israel First Plateau events and all those guys say they say nothing to see here.
Hey, you got to take this to where it goes, the investigation.
Jack, where do people get you through the day?
Thank you for changing your schedule to come on.
Where do folks get you?
Yeah, of course.
We'll be up at Human Events Daily today at 2 p.m.
We're going to be getting into all the latest with this.
Obviously, we're also going to be getting into some of the stuff that's going on overseas, this strike in Israel on a Christian church.
We've got to figure out what exactly went on there.
We know the president called Bibi Netanyahu, got him to put out this statement yesterday.
But Cardinal Pizza Bala, who's someone that we've talked about for several months here on Human Events, we went over to Rome with coverage of that and coverage of the conclave.
He's been very, very emphatic on this strike, on this Catholic Church right there in Gaza, trying to figure out exactly what went wrong.
Three people were killed in this thing.
President Trump, very, very upset.
The Catholic Church, very upset.
Pope Leo as well coming out on it.
By the way, who's upset too?
Is Huckabee, the ambassador?
I think he sent a letter about Huckabee.
We don't feel you're slow-walking visas for the evangelical groups.
visas for Christian groups.
Times of Israel has it out, and Huckabee wrote a letter to the entire Israeli government saying, We're going to declare you hostile to Christians if you don't fix this.
This is not Fuentes.
This is the Times of Israel reporting that Huckabee's furious about the evangelical groups who are some of the biggest supporters of Israel not getting visas to go over and do their annual trips to show support.
So, Jack, we'll see you at 2 o'clock on Human Events Daily.
Thank you, sir.
We'll be there.
Natalie, I got a punch.
You're going to take, we got Eduardo Bolsonaro, you're going to jump on that, a major development down there in Brazil.
Natalie, before I let you go, though, staying on offense, you've advocated this from the beginning.
You've been one of the stalwarts.
Tell me, where do you think we would go from here?
What are the next couple of days would you like to see out of the administration as far as staying on offense against the Murdochs, Wall Street Journal, Fox News, also the intelligence apparatus, everything that's come to destroy President Trump, ma'am?
I think I want the names of people who are stonewalling this information, whether they're politicals or careers.
If now Team Trump is on board with what I think the war room has been saying, that we need to get this information out there, then I'm sure there's going to be pushback.
Like we said, from careers, as you know, we only control, what, maybe 0.01% of the DOJ, certainly probably less than that.
But I think that we need to, you know, fight fire with fire.
I'm sorry, Joe Biden destroyed this country.
If they were able to orchestrate an invasion of tens of millions of people, tank the economy, force people to get experimental vaccines.
Like, I'm not asking you to concoct documents.
I'm not asking you to bring fake charges like they did against you or Jam Sixers.
I'm just asking for transparency on documents that apparently the DOJ is well aware of, right?
The birthday, you know, book that they compiled.
I want to read the Wall Street Journal.
Quote, pages from the Leatherbound album assembled before Epstein was first arrested in 2006 are among the documents examined by Justice Department officials who investigated the two of them years ago.
It's unclear if any of the pages are part of the recent review.
This is the kind of stuff that we should be making public, right?
I'm sorry, I thought the DOJ had nothing related to Epstein.
Well, the story sort of contradicts that.
So why don't we release it?
It's maddening, honestly, Steve.
I'm not going to be gaslit by people who spent years, years, basically rest of their careers on the idea that there is a deep state.
Now, not just tell us that, oh, you know, you should just move on, but that there's nothing to release.
I'm sorry, I was told by the AG just about a month ago that she had a whole stack of papers on her desk.
So I think we need to figure out who is responsible for this bungled messaging because to me it reeks of someone covering up for someone.
But I think there's blame on both sides.
And anyone who's not willing to call that out, you're a cultist, you're not an ideologically driven MAGA warroom posse member.
And like you said, it goes to the intelligence angle.
It goes to Israel and all of the Israel first crowd that doesn't want to admit that.
You're just making our point when you suddenly take the legacy media's hook line and sinker.
Oh, there's nothing to see here.
We need to move on.
You're anti-Semitic if you want to ask about what Epstein was doing on behalf of foreign countries.
Probably wasn't just Israel, but there's a lot of gaslighting going on here.
And where there is smoke, there's fire.
Where there's the deep state infusion GPS, there's fire too.
So let's just release it all and put it to rest.
Natalie G. Winners, you have the deck in the con.
Eduardo Bolsonaro is up for you.
Horrible news out of Brazil today.
I'll turn it over to you.
I will be back for the five and six o'clock show.
I've got some things I got to work on right now.
Natalie G. Winners, the deck in the con is yours.
See you tonight at five o'clock, ma'am.
Thank you, sir.
Speaking of the deep state and how we mobilize against it, how they mobilize against us, we obviously know this fight is international, and I don't think any country or man that is, of course, Eduardo Bolsonaro of Brazil has been more so on the front lines of that fight.
Honored to be joined by his son, Eduardo Bolsonaro, with the breaking news that the Brazilian police, I think at the request of the rogue Supreme Court, raided your father's home political headquarters, ordered him to wear an ankle tag, also barring him from speaking to foreign officials, talking to embassies and posting on social media, of course, amidst the ongoing tariff dispute between our two countries.
We've got a few minutes.
Can you just sort of give the audience an update the latest with what is going on with your father?
Yes, everything that you are talking coming right after President Trump sent a letter for my father, for President Jerry Bolsonaro.
So what Alicia de Jumorais is doing is what we can expect from him, that he is doubling down again.
He always does that.
And only to make sure that everybody here is on the same page, my father, he fought, he accomplished all of Alicia de Jumorais' orders, even if he was thinking that they were illegal orders.
So there is no reason to travel ban Jerry Bolsonaro, seize his passport, or now what he is doing is basically a humiliation and he's challenging President Trump in front of everybody.
The good aspect of that is because he's showing that he is the dictator, which I'm always saying that Lula is a problem.
Lula is a criminal, he's a gangster, but Alexander J. Moraes is jumping in front of everybody and getting all this thing, all the attention to him doing that.
Why Jerry Bolsomaro cannot use his social media?
Just because yesterday he did a video faking President Trump about the letter that Trump sent to him.
Why he has to now use an anchor tag.
Why all of that?
Because this is the persecution that we are facing in Brazil.
And I'm always telling my friends from the other countries in Latin America, from Europe, from the US, this is what they want to your country.
Brazil is just establishing a new model of censorship in social media.
Two weeks ago, our Supreme Court, they decided a new way to do censorship, and they are going to export that to the rest of the world.
So it's very, very urgent that the United States, the country of the freedom, the home of the brave, to send an answer for this regime.
To do not let the Brazilian censorship model or the Brazilian lawfare model to be exported to other countries.
Because I know that if Moraes win this war, this battle, I don't think he will.
But if he wins, it's going to be a mess, not only in Brazil, but for sure in other countries around in the West.
And Eduardo, I'm just curious, do you think the reason that they're doing this is because your father, his movement, the sort of global populist movement, is so much on the ascent that the only option they have is to try to silence him?
Sure, yes.
My father is a leader on the pools, and if the election was today, he likely would beat Lula da Silva, the current president, even in the first round.
And for sure, he's only suffering this persecution because of this.
Even the Supreme Court, Alicia Gimora, let clear for everybody that he wants to convict, to condemn Jerry Bolsonaro to up 43 years in jail still this year, because next year is the election of Brazil, is the year of the election.
And he already talked with some press saying that they would never let the mistake that the United States committed letting Trump run for president.
They will not allow this thing to happen in Brazil.
So they are speeding up as fast as they can.
And Warren, we've got to jump to break.
If you can just hang with us for a few more minutes, I'm sure the audience wants to know how they can help, what they can post.
Warren Posse will be right back after this short break.
Mike Benz, we got a pack show coming up.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Man.
Welcome back to the boardroom.
We still got Eduardo Bolsonaro joining us.
Eduardo, I'm sure you've got a bounce, but just leave our audience with sort of a final message, a warning from you, your family, and your father, what the MAGA movement, which certainly has received a lot of the same arrows you guys have, should take from this and more importantly, how they can help if we can post on social media and try to circumvent Judge Moraes.
Yes, only following what is happening in Brazil is good for you to prevent future problems and future kind of law affairs and censorship that you can face in the United States.
But we are really alerting everybody because the only hope that we have is coming from President Trump and his team, including Secretary Rubio and some others, to fight back against this lawfare in Brazil.
They want to sweep the opposition from the next year's election.
It does not include only Jerry Bolsorado, who is leading the pools nowadays.
So we really needed to answer to the response.
And the time for that is right now, because in the future, diplomatic actions like sanctions will not work.
In the future, that will be the consolidation of this current regime of Brazil that's really going following the Venezuelan steps.
So do not let something that happen.
And also, it will be a problem for the United States, because if 25% of the Brazilians leave the country, just like what happened with Venezuela, we are talking about 50 million people leaving Brazil.
And we really do not want that.
So I appreciate all your support.
If you can follow me, I'm tweeting in English a lot right now, mainly on NAX.
So also another SP is my account.
And God bless Brazil.
God bless America.
Thank you so much for joining us.
Our prayers are with your father.
We look forward to having you on soon.
Thank you.
Of course.
It's why we need you guys in the fights.
Why you got to be checking out Tax Network USA.
We love the team over there.
That's tnusa.com slash bannon, or you can call 1-800-958-1000 for a free consultation.
Speak to the team.
I think one of the other, shall we say, overlapping or convergent issues that we share with Brazil is, of course, the complete and utter domination of non-infiltration by the Chinese Communist Party.
To that point, I want to bring on Isaac Stonefish.
Really, I think a concerning story talking about how a lot of DOD technological apparatus, their systems, they're sort of operating Microsoft systems at that.
No conspiracies, no coincidences there, but are actually being run, if not administered, by people in China as a pro-publica investigation.
But I wanted to bring you on to sort of walk us through this, this bombshell story.
Stunning journalism.
And basically, five, ten years ago, it was the norm for U.S. companies to subcontract, especially 10 years ago, subcontract sensitive work and sensitive technologies to China.
And Microsoft reportedly did that, and they just haven't cleaned it up since then.
And so what we are facing now is a situation where Microsoft still has pretty high levels of China exposure and appears to be sharing sensitive U.S. personnel secrets with the Chinese Communist Guard.
And just walk us through how, I mean, we know it's commonplace that a lot of these companies, but how does this get through in terms of DOD contracting, you know, military work perhaps involving, you know, classified top secret secret information?
I don't even, that seems like a non-starter.
It should be, and hopefully it will be moving forward.
But the DOD, like many large bureaucracies, often works very slowly.
And so it seems in the story that the DOD had had no idea of what this was.
And the spokesperson was saying, hey, I've never heard of this program.
I couldn't find any information on it.
What's going on here?
And so there's so many nooks and crannies in a bureaucracy of that size.
And so they let this happen.
And really, I hope this is a wake-up call.
And there's been so many wake-up calls, but the U.S. government, U.S. companies need constant wake-up calls about the risks of subcontracting or exposing sensitive technologies to the Chinese Communist Party.
Well, there's a lot of layers to this, too.
I think if you sort of invoke the H-1B STEM debate, I think it was just last week that it was reported that Microsoft had applied for sort of a new overwhelming tranche of H-1B visas just before letting go of a lot of American-born engineers.
So it's interesting to me that they're outsourcing to, I don't know, only our largest sworn adversary, the Chinese Communist Party, DOD work.
But is this something that America has the technological infrastructure to facilitate?
I mean, I would think there's no real necessity to need to be outsourcing this to our enemy.
It's a question of cost.
And I think Microsoft and so many companies just say, hey, I can do this in China, I can do this in India.
It's a lot cheaper.
India is far less of a security threat than China is.
And what it was is, you know, these companies were in some cases still living in the 2010s where U.S. policy from Republicans and Democrats, especially early in the decade, was, hey, let's partner with China and let's strengthen the Chinese Communist Party.
But the world has changed drastically since then and companies really need to catch up.
And Isaac, I want to hold you through the break because I want to pivot to this sort of new idea that the reason why we need to give even more IP in the form of semiconductors of these NVIDIA AI chips to China is how we're going to somehow stay dominant in the tech space while the same tech bros are also telling us that the only way we can defeat China is by prevailing over them in the AI space.
Can you just sort of, at about a minute, bring our audience up to speed on where we sort of stand with this AI chip debate, the sort of export list, the entity restrictions on exporting these to China?
Idia CEO, Jenzin Fuang, was in China this week receiving rock star treatment from Chinese fans of the Chinese Communist Party, and he has successfully convinced the Trump administration that strengthening Chinese AI companies and the Chinese Communist Party by selling chips to China allows for American companies to be the victor.
And so that's the argument.
And that's what David Sachs and others said.
Frankly, I don't understand it, but that's one side of the debate.
They are such clowns, Isaac.
If you can hang with us through the break, we're going to unpack that.
Like I've always said, the same people who are saying the only way we can surpass the Chinese Communist Party is by having an edge in technology and AI while simultaneously lobbying you to want to import even more H-1B visa workers, by which the second country that receives the highest number of them is China, a company, a rather country that essentially acts like a company, a state-owned industry, where they can basically requisition any individual company to advance the interests of said Chinese Communist Party for any reason whatsoever.
Probably not the best approach to national security, and I certainly won't be lectured by people like David Sachs and that clownish, freakish, beta male, weird podcast that they put out that is truly awful to watch.
Not for censorship, but that one I might maybe take off air.
We'll be right back.
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