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Episode 4642: No Compromise On Amnesty
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
Welcome back to the War Room.
It's Friday, July 18th in the year of our Lord 2025.
Natalie Winters, hosting, filling in for Steve, who had to leave during the first hour.
Don't go anywhere.
We, of course, have a packed show.
We're going to start it back up again with Isaac Stonefish, sort of an expert in, I would say, corporate sellout.
That's maybe too euphemistic a term, to the Chinese Communist Party.
I want to pick up sort of where we left off.
From my understanding, these chips, sort of in the AI space, really was a significant upper hand that the United States had over China.
They obviously dominate us, I think, in some of the more kinetic aspects of warfare, right?
The ratios of shipbuilding, though it is civil and military, is like 300 to 1.
They dominate the cheap drone market.
Obviously, they're expanding and planting flags in weird islands in the South China Sea.
They're certainly on the ascent, and this was one of the major concessions thus far that we've given during the trade war.
I think the reporting has been that it's sort of a retaliatory thing or just part of the back and forth over particularly the rare earths, which of course China dominates to the tune of 90%, at least on the processing side.
But I think that this, at least in my opinion, is sort of an unforced error in terms of a concession because it's such not only a critical space, but it's also something that we had the upper hand in.
So I just find David Zach's in that crowd's mentality that the reason why we need to hand over these chips to the Chinese Communist Party is so we can retain an edge.
If you just sort of want to pick up where you left off and maybe even more to the point, you know, what you would advise in terms of probably locking down a lot of these exports even more.
So the question is, where is the U.S.-China relationship going?
And if the U.S. and China do go to war, what does that mean for U.S. companies that have worked with the Chinese Communist Party, both from a regulatory and reputational risk perspective, but also from how do we make sure that they're aligned with the U.S. side if something like that happens?
And so my worry with what NVIDIA is doing, my worry with what Microsoft has done is if we are setting the stage for wide-scale decoupling, why are these companies still so exposed to China and the Communist Party?
And so what I would advise, you know, both for friends in the U.S. government and also for the companies themselves is to know what your exposure to China is and work on ways that you can reduce it and to stop buying the same horse, so to speak.
Stop thinking that by strengthening the Chinese Communist Party by selling them technology, you're in some way helping America leapfrog.
That argument didn't work 10 years ago and it shouldn't work today.
And last question before I let you go, just your sort of bird's eye perspective on the overview of how the trade war, though I don't like that term, is going.
These tariffs, are they giving us an advantage against the Chinese Communist Party or are a lot of these concessions perhaps detrimental?
My biggest frustration with the narrative around tariffs is forgetting all of the various trade barriers that China holds up to foreign companies.
So there's this perception now that the U.S. is the country that's gumming up global trade and that China is the vanguard of free trade.
And it's so far from the truth.
There's so many barriers to entry of the Chinese market.
And so when we have that conversation, we really need to understand the many, many challenges that companies have doing business in China.
So on the one hand, you have companies like Microsoft and NVIDIA trying really hard to work in China and making ethical sacrifices to do so.
On the other hand, Beijing makes it difficult for them to do so, which in some sort of perverse way encourages them to try to give up more to succeed in the Chinese market.
Isaac, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on, your analysis, where can they go to do that?
Twitter at IsaacStonefish and LinkedIn as well, and then also www.strategyrisks.com.
Thank you, sir, for joining us.
Thank you.
Of course.
Speaking of the Chinese Communist Party and foreign invasion and infiltration in this country, I think there's probably no better person to bring on.
Perhaps you've seen him going viral on Twitter this week for giving House Democrats just a brutal beating, metaphorically, of course, that is Mike Howell.
Mike, you were just testifying.
I want to give the hearing name, an inside job, how NGOs facilitated the Biden border crisis, which I think is a uniquely pivotal hearing because I think a lot of the frustrations with how the deportation and immigration issue has been rolling out under the Trump administration is that it's not going to the root cause.
And when I say that, I don't mean the left-wing globalist NGO idea that the root cause is economic inequality and inequity in a bunch of third world countries, but it's that we have a NGO sort of religion, like weird religious aspect of these groups that are essentially helping these migrants, these illegal aliens, make it to the border and then pumping them into every corner of the country.
It's from cradle to grave.
It's a whole apparatus.
So you testified and provided a lot of actionable information.
Of course, got a lot of attacks.
If you can just sort of walk the audience through how that went and what you see the next steps as yeah, so on the nonprofit side it's all about the numbers that's why it's really the only thing to be concerned about or to realize is driving this the biden administration couldn't get as many people in and around the country as they wanted to their goal was as many as possible but they only had so many government personnel that they could you know employ and deploy to do that so they just put a bunch of money into big
pockets that they then gave to the non-profits that then recruited these people, greeted them, and shuttled them around the country.
That's how you sustain the logistics of a border invasion.
And, you know, 10 million plus people came across the border.
It was an absolute disaster.
But if you fast forward to now, the Trump administration is in force multiplying in that way.
Of course, they just got a huge glut of money through the reconciliation bill, but the numbers of deportations are very low.
In fact, they're not even public.
There's a reason why they're not public, and it's because they're very low.
And so ultimately, it's all about numbers.
It's really simple.
People in, people out.
And they got a lot more people in using NGOs, and we're just not getting that many people out.
But I made some points in that hearing, particularly about how Democrats are calling for violence, and violence is happening.
I was pleading with them to stand down on their threats for violence.
They tried kicking me out of the hearing room.
It turned into a big zoo.
It actually stretched for seven hours because they wanted to interrupt me from talking, so they staged bunch of procedural votes.
Uh, it was emotional for them they lost their cool uh but it was a lot of fun for me and just walk us through i think this audience is really concerned about action and what these sort of next steps are as you alluded to the deportation numbers aren't being posted this audience is not dumb we're not going to be hoodwinked just because we can't see it we know we're not hitting the bare minimum of 7,000 a day, and it's not anti-Trump or anti-MAGA to criticize.
I'm not criticizing.
I'm just saying facts.
But where do you think now, like you said, they have the influx of cash?
Was it the money that was the limiting factor, or was it just the political wherewithal and, I think, intensity and, frankly, just ability to carry out these deportations from just firing on all cylinders and being serious in our conduct and not just putting out tweets and doing photo ops?
Yeah, that's exactly right.
What we're seeing now is mass communications, not mass deportations.
It's unfortunate.
The standard, let's remind ourselves that the president said on the campaign trail and through his presidency is the biggest deportation operation ever, which is a comparison to Eisenhower's operation, Wetback, where there were estimates 1 to 3 million of illegals in the country and
they pointed to 1.1 million being kicked out so if you look at how many illegals are in this country you pick your fake number that's out there I'll go with 20 million that's a lot of deportation I think right now we're on track for less than half a million this year which is why they're pointing to that 7,000 number you mentioned is arrests that's not deportation the number we care about are people who are picked up from the interior of the country and returned home there's going to be all sorts of funny numbers we saw one they're trying to point to economic data about labor force participation rate to then extrapolate
some self-deportation number that's all just junk science the real number is actually the easiest one to obtain it's the hard deportation number the removal number because there's a record for that you put someone on a plane or a bus and you send them back to where they came from and so that data exists it's not public because the number is low the biggest impediment right now is one of policy and politics uh it's that the you know leadership in this administration has kind of oscillated on the scope of the mass deportation mission tom homan's been strong the whole time but
you have political leadership and secretary gnome at dhs who have really leaned into the criminal illegal alien aspect the problem is while that's like a communications friendly message i suppose it's a safe space to say we're only deporting the worst of the worst there's only about half a million criminal illegal aliens uh by their definition in the united states that gets you nowhere near mass deportation also it is a lot harder to to conduct operations on criminals than it is to do large-scale worksite enforcement uh it's obvious to say but if
you're going after an ms-13 gangbanger in the hood you're bringing in a bunch of officers you're doing tactical planning it's a it's a dangerous situation uh and so you get less it prioritizes the quality of i guess the communications aspect of it but indeed prioritizes the numbers and like i said it's all about the numbers if you look at how eisenhower did it they encircled large agricultural areas and they in their own words and their own reports and all something on this soon went in and mopped it up they grabbed people they
they brought in military expertise to help them do it and so they need in this trump administration to get over these political and policy hurdles you keep having these uh trial balloons of amnesty and then we're we're changing amnesty like we're a liberal trying to you know transgender all the kids or something they can't decide what the word means uh the it needs to be ultimately clear that if you're illegal no matter what you are going home and is more likely than not that you will be deported and the resources that come with reconciliation need to be used extraordinarily quickly
and uh very creatively we propose a lot of creative ideas for them but it's time to start cracking down this is a mandate item i think it'll determine the the midterms and whether the magma base shows up you know in addition to what i've said on the transparency and accountability issues you can't get the numbers up on mass deportations or the results out on accountability i'm afraid people are going to stay home because that's what excited people the most yeah i mean what they did on the border the actual securing of it i think is historic but
we're obviously very analytical here in the war room and the addition of a lot of these adjectives in front of mass deportations um it's just watering it down it's whitewashing it i voted for mass deportations and i think that you're right to sort of frame it through the lens of what sounds good from a comms shop well i'm sorry the comms angle that i care about is not what a bunch of you know neocon or ngo supporting you know volunteer on the southern border to help invade this country what those people think and i
i think in the same way there's actually a beauty to the messaging that you're not just getting Criminals out because, like I was saying before, my aversion to mass immigration to the tune of tens of millions of people, frankly, legal and illegal, is not merely because you're importing backwards cultures that probably have a statistically higher likelihood of criminality and poverty and stealing your jobs and suppressing your wages.
It's a cultural thing.
It's the idea that the very fabric of this country, the rug of this country, is being pulled out from underneath us by a set of policies that were instituted by people that we never voted for.
And that's why I think there's such an anger because you're essentially saying that my concerns about wanting to preserve American culture and American heritage, well, guess you can only do it if the guy's an MS-13 gangbanger.
That's a really high threshold.
And frankly, I want to hold you through the break.
Exactly.
I want to hold you through the break because I want to get into the sort of the auto-pen angle of all this too.
But I also think it's important to note that you're going to have this crisis just manifest again unless you go after the people who orchestrated it.
And I think you do have done a wonderful job going after the NGOs, but you have all of the people too.
I know the name Majorkis.
I know the weird Biden advisor that's busy writing op-eds for the Washington Post about how they would secure the border.
Thanks for your advice.
Go shove it.
And I don't even know what weird deep dark corner you are working in in the Biden regime.
But these people need to be held accountable too.
It's the same with COVID.
Remember the Atlantic was pushing pandemic amnesty?
No, I want mass deportations and criminal charges for the people who started this invasion.
Not amnesty in any sense of the word.
And shame on you, Maria Salazar, and all the what dozen or so Republicans that joined co-sponsoring that legislation.
Screw you guys.
I have a country.
It's called the United States of America.
And I'd like to preserve what it means to be an American.
And I don't want to be neighbors with an MS-13 gang member.
We'll be right back.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
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There seems like every day a new announcement coming from President Trump, whether it's out of the trade corners of stuff, of course, Peter Navarro leading it there.
I think, frankly, everything is economic when you look at the economic warfare that the Chinese Communist Party is waging against us.
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And why do you want to keep giving your money to corporations that probably don't just hate you, but detest you?
And I can tell you, certainly do not support mass deportations.
Mike Howell, we still got you.
I'm curious, I want to link this to another issue that you guys have been certainly ahead of the curve on, and that is all things auto pen.
Seems like there's some renewed interest in that.
Can you sort of give us an update where we stand on that front, your investigations, your work, what you guys have been doing?
So, you know, this all started in March when we released our first findings about the prolific use of an auto pen device to cover up for Biden's incapacity.
And since then, it has taken on many different layers.
It has gone to the House, the Senate, and the executive branch.
I guess the most recent updates are two very important ones.
Comer over in the House began a series of interviews with Biden officials.
The first one, the woman who is in charge of the paper for the entire White House, Neera Tandon, the staff secretary, that's the person you see, Will Scharf in the Trump administration, handing Trump everything to sign.
It's usually a very credentialed attorney or somebody who can make sure processes are followed, the paperwork is tight, there's no litigation risk.
They're always with the president.
Well, guess what Neera Tandon said?
She only saw Biden like once a month at best.
And she never even had his assent or proof of life before, you know, going down the chain and executing the auto pen device.
So that was a massive red flag.
And since someone kind of broke with the Biden administration, guess what?
All the witnesses since then have claimed the fifth, you know, they're refusing to testify.
Where that's at now, and the posse could be greatly helpful on this, is Congress, some of them are going to say, well, there's nothing we can do about it.
Guess what?
There is something they can do about it.
They can grant these witnesses immunity, basically say, you're immunized for crimes related to this.
Get your butt back in here, testify, answer the questions.
And if you don't, you're held in contempt.
So don't let Congress keep their foot off the gas.
The second thing, and this was Sunday night, the New York Times came out.
Keep in mind, the New York Times, two weeks after I released our findings in March, said it was a conspiracy theory.
Well, they issued another report on Sunday confirming our entire theory of our case and said that Biden actually was setting broad categories for pardons and then his staff would go in and pick and choose who got him.
So it's absolutely confirmed Biden was not functionally aware of who was actually getting the pardons, which means they're obviously illegal.
President Trump's already said so much, so it's time to fix those, charge those people, put the death row inmates back on death row, all of the above.
One other positive sign is the Trump administration announced an investigation into it.
It's kind of duplicative, to be honest, because about a month ago, Trump issued an executive order saying, DOJ, go ahead and do this.
Well, the news now is the White House counsel is undertaking a review.
It's important for a really detailed reason that has escaped attention.
There are two ways they could have gone about this.
They could have just focused on Biden's incapacitated.
He couldn't have done any of this.
Or they could have focused on that and whether Biden actually authorized it.
Like looking at each individual action and chasing it, tracing it back to Biden approval.
That's a big process.
It's a huge process.
And so the Trump administration, that's the lane they're going down.
We had wanted them to do that.
A lot of lawyers were pushing back on us, but they announced a review of 1 million plus pages.
And so that's an authorization investigation, which means they got a lot of work ahead.
We're going to help them as much as we can.
But I remind all the viewers here, like the oversight project took this 95 yards down the football field.
We've proved every element of this case over and over again in flamboyant fashion, despite the fact that the New York Times won't give us credit or anybody else.
That's fine.
But you need people with government power to actually charge people, to issue subpoenas.
And so that's the zone we're in.
We don't need more just information for the sake of it.
We need consequences.
And that's what we're calling on the government to do.
Yeah, I mean, here's my issue.
It seems like the rhetoric that they're putting out for the most part is in line with War Room, is in line with the MAGA base.
But the actions that they're actually doing to sort of match that rhetoric is sort of still stuck in, you know, performative, frankly, like neocon rhino territory, where it's Trey Gowdy's definition of accountability as evidenced through his botched Ben Ghazi hearing or, I don't know, James Comer's, you know, book report that he released instead of putting Hunter Biden in prison or Jim Jordan's weaponization committee, which still waiting to see exactly what that did.
But I think there's also an interesting synergy between the Autopen investigation, frankly, the Epstein files, right?
I'm not obsessed with the Autopen because I'm so maniacally or myopically focused on Joe Biden or what is left of him.
It's because it's the question of who runs our country.
And when you look at the evil things that these people have done, or frankly, their inability, their aversion to putting America first, right?
The fact that that is a dirty word in Washington, D.C., I think is something that is very easily glanced over.
But maybe you can't put America first.
Maybe you want to invade this country because, I don't know, you're being blackmailed or you're essentially working on behalf of a foreign government, frankly, even a domestic intelligence service.
And the fact that this Wall Street Journal piece, which yes, it's bogus, but it does prove that even something as marginal as writing a stupid birthday card to Jeffrey Epstein, you know, two decades ago, if that's such blackmail or leverage potential there that, you know, you're going to sue Rupert Murdoch in news court, well, it proves that connections and ties to Epstein were blackmailable.
Ergo, he did have influence over people who ended up in government, and it's probably a lot broader than that.
So I think that there's really an interesting synergy there.
Speaking of other synergies, of course, the legacy media is going to run cover for this cohort, this, can I use the word cabal?
If so, I'll use it, of people who run this country.
But the legacy media, NPR, your tax dollars are going to subsidize a lot of the information warfare front of it.
I know you guys have also been sort of the tip of the spear fighting against NPR and on the receiving end of a lot of their attacks.
I know to bring it back to immigration, the exposés that you did during the campaign trail about all those illegals voting.
I think you worked with Anthony from Muckracker on it.
Muckraker, I think I had you guys on the show talking about it.
You know, they dispatched a bunch of journalists to come after you guys.
Just your sort of thoughts on where we stand on the NPR front and why that's a victory.
Yeah, NPR should have been defunded a long, long time ago.
It's an absolute joke.
And Anthony and his team at Muckraker did some awesome work that we're happy to partner with them on.
And this story here is probably one of the hardest I've laughed in recent years.
But NPR wanted to do a hit piece on us, which is just funny because you're thinking the whole time, they're paying for a hit piece.
You know, I'm paying for my own hit piece.
And so, okay, whatever.
We're like, let's have some fun with this.
We took the interview with them full well knowing that they were just going to be outrageous.
But the interview was about an expose into voter fraud and illegal aliens being registered to vote and admitting to being registered to vote on camera.
And NPR wanted to run cover for those illegals who admitted on camera multiple times to being registered to vote.
And so of all people in the world, they sent this woman named Judia Hoffblock or something to that effect.
And we were sitting down and we're talking to her, and of course, we're recording the thing.
And it turns out she had worked for Acorn, the infamous voter fraud organization.
And so NPR literally sent somebody involved in a voter fraud organization to interview us about a story about real voter fraud issues.
And we blasted them.
They kind of went away for a bit.
But that little nugget tells you exactly what NPR is.
It's a bunch of just liberals with really soothing music on in the background.
You know, just with high-class microphones saying outrageous things.
So I'm glad they're getting shut down a little bit.
Mike, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you're working on.
I think you represent what real accountability means, not stupid letters or press conferences meant to distract and gaslight.
Where can people go to do that?
So Oversight Project can be found at it'syourgov on X, and that's because it's your government.
People forget that.
I'm at mHalTweets, and our website right there is it'syourgov.org.
If you're up there, hit that resource button.
We've got something called a Doc Depot where we're really trying to up the game in terms of dumping government files in there.
I think you can have a lot of fun with the search functionality.
It's going to get bigger and better.
No one has more docs than us and we're linking them together in ways that citizen journalists can really get a leg up on the sensors.
Citizen journalism, I think, has always been the way out, or at least a considerable part of the way out of this mess.
Mike, Al, thank you so much for joining us.
We will have you back on soon.
Good to see you.
Thank you.
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Like I said, we certainly need you guys in the fight.
We're going to, I think, have Mike Benz join us after the break.
But until then, I'm sure you guys recall there was that bombshell notice, N-O-T-U-S story talking about how these former state and USAID employees were essentially verbalizing, leaking their plans to sabotage the Trump administration from within.
Now, I think there was a phrase for this that President Trump was attacked for using, and that's called the enemy within.
But the gist of their case, their operations, were going to be to use the tactics that they have used in third world countries to foment, you know, coups and cultural, or color revolutions, rather, cultural revolutions too, if Rodians live there.
But here, domestically, on U.S. soil.
And the word that they were using was non-cooperation.
So, I want you guys, the posse, to really download, chew on that for a second.
But non-cooperation is the new strategy.
And to that point, Indivisible, you may remember the group organizing all the really violent anti-Tesla protests.
They take a bunch of Soros money, they were caught paying protesters.
Well, they just put out a call to train a million, one million of their supporters, activists, paid protesters, take your pick, in the tactics of non-cooperation to essentially kneecap the Trump administration.
So an interesting synergy there.
You know, we pay attention, we engage in pattern recognition, we focus on word use, but non-cooperation, that's going to be the radical left's new approach to coming after President Trump.
We got Mike Benz packed show after this short break.
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There's a lot of, shall we say, turbulence when it comes to Fed Share Jerome Power.
We're supposed to have Wade Miller on.
I think we'll have him on maybe tonight or tomorrow talking about how there is legitimate grounds for President Trump to be able to remove him.
I won't get ahead of him.
I'll let him tease that out.
But before we go, we're working on tracking down Mike Benz.
We got some other guests, but I just want to really double down on what I was talking about before the break, because this is something we know we pride ourselves on being ahead of the curve and having signal, not noise.
And this is one of these issues.
You know, I embed myself behind enemy lines.
I go to all their virtual trainings and their meetings and that kind of stuff.
And I do it so I can bring you information so we can understand the enemy.
I think as we've seen the quotes from the past few weeks, Democrats are getting increasingly hostile, belligerent, bellicose, violent.
Take your pick of what adjective you want to use.
They're probably all too euphemistic in their own words.
They want blood.
But this new initiative that they're rolling out, like I said, by Indivisible.
So that's the Soros-funded, shady, swampy, kind of left-wing organization that really provides the shock troops for a lot of these mainstream democratic issues.
It's called 1 Million Rising.
I don't know about you.
There's something kind of Maoist about that term, but they're calling it strategic non-cooperation to fight authoritarianism.
It's quote, and we have the pictures if you want to put it up on screen, a national effort to train 1 million people in the strategic logic and practice of non-cooperation, as well as the basics of community organizing and campaign design, quote, let's build a force bigger than fear.
And why this is so, I think, important is because it goes back to that story about these ex-USAID, ex-State Department employees who are holding these secret, kind of off-the-books workshops.
They're calling it Democracy Aid.
That's the unofficial, official name of the group, where they are plotting these tactics of non-cooperation with one of the spoken goals that they've discussed being sort of a nationwide strike.
Not exactly sure if that's, you know, public sector, private sector, what exactly that would look like.
But the quote from that reporting in terms of what they were planning was, quote, they're building a network of government workers willing to engage in even minor acts of rebellion in the office.
And they're planting the seeds of what they hope could become a nationwide general strike.
And one of the things that they were doing to help incentivize these employees to sabotage President Trump, whether that's, you know, blowing the whistle, leaking documents, talking to the press, which frankly, I think with what you see going on to the Wall Street Journal, I think there's an interesting synergy there.
But they were actually circulating, again, legacy media's words, not mine, no conspiracies, no coincidences, but they were circulating old CIA materials.
One of the pamphlets was titled Simple Sabotage, and it was a bunch of the tactics that they would use to sort of develop whether it was human sources or, you know, turn people develop sources to, I guess, allegedly boost the interests of the United States.
But in this case, to sabotage President Trump.
And this is an extremely well-funded organization.
They're holding weekly virtual calls.
They're getting ready to expand and go, frankly, kinetic by hosting in-person protests, right?
This is the same group, No Kings, that put on those whole protests that are involved in this.
So this is the tip of the spear when it comes to left-wing activism.
And like I said, non-cooperation.
Start paying attention.
You're going to see that word a lot more throughout.
And I think we've got Mike Benz up.
But before we get to him, real quick, I just want to hit Trevor Comstock, our Maha, Sherpa, all things beef liver.
Trevor, if you want to hit the audience with the latest that you've been working on, I think it's virtual, but you have a nice background.
I like that.
Yeah, thank you.
I appreciate it.
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Mike Benz, I think we got you.
You have the world's most bizarre sleeping schedules.
You wake up usually after the morning show.
I'm always texting you, trying to get you on.
And you're like, it's 3 p.m.
I just woke up.
But that's enough for jokes.
I know the audience wants to hear your thoughts.
So I'm just going to let you take it away.
Let's start last night, the Wall Street Journal drop-dump.
That's probably too euphemistic.
Take it away on the timing of this, the story, and then let's get into the movement on some of the documents you've requested.
Well, it's kind of hysterical what happened last night.
The Wall Street Journal published one of the most bizarre screeds that you're going to find reprinted in mainstream journalism.
I think one of the lines that stood out, obviously this was a purported letter from Trump to Jeffrey Epstein on his 50th birthday, filled with riddles and cartoon drawings.
And, you know, evidently this had been sat on.
We're to be told that this was in a Justice Department exhibit just newly unearthed.
And critics are obviously trying to use this to say, aha, this is the reason that we don't have the Epstein files because Trump has this happy birthday letter.
And things may not be as they seem because who knows how many more birthday letters Trump wrote to Jeffrey Epstein.
Now, look, the fact is, is we know that Trump was on Jeffrey Epstein's plane in the 1990s.
I just had a birthday party and the binder was there.
And Trump's name is very clearly in the binder in the 1990s.
We've been here, done that.
Trump is obviously arguing about the authenticity of the letter.
But even if, I guess what I'm getting at is Epstein was not arrested until 2006.
In the 1990s, I don't think people widely knew what he was doing.
Trump was famous for having kicked Epstein out of his private clubs in Florida.
So you couldn't really do business in the 90s in high finance or real estate without bumping into Epstein.
So to me, the mere presence of a letter, even if it were true, doesn't really do anything for me.
But the fact is, is there was on the heels of this, or perhaps concurrent with it, Trump demanding or greenlighting Pam Bondi to unseal grand jury evidence to the extent that the court would allow it in order to satiate the base, which is a good start.
My concern is the things that I'm particularly most interested in, i.e.
Epstein's intelligence ties, are not going to be in a grand jury, are not going to be something that you're going to find unsealed in a grand jury case.
So I think that's good, but it's not really responsive to the main issue in my view.
And so Pam Bondi has got to get, she's got to get the Justice Department OPR transcript of Alex Acosta, and she's got to tell us the results of the CIA name trace on Jeffrey Epstein.
And walk us through some of these other documents that you've been calling for, if you've seen any movement or frankly, just even any response on those.
Well, Charlie Kirk has been echoing this call as well.
I've seen it begin to pick up traction.
I've not seen anything or heard from any sources inside the Justice Department about whether or not it's registered yet.
But, you know, I've not yet begun to fight.
My goal is to basically make it that they can't have a press conference without being asked this question openly.
And in addition, this is such an easy ask.
I mean, you're so the Justice Department, OPR, the Office of Professional Responsibility, reports directly to the Justice Department.
This is not like on the CIA side where you need to trawl through hundreds of or thousands of Byzantine documents or layers of bureaucratic authorization.
What we're looking for is the full transcript where Alex Acosta was asked five years ago whether or not, asked about the extent of Epstein's intelligence ties.
And all we have is this one little footnote buried on page footnote 244 of a 348-page report.
It's a one-line summary description of it, which I thought was highly, Highly misleading, and for the public to be able to know how those queries around Epstein's intelligence ties were shaped by Bill Barr in his emails as well and the CIA Office of General Counsel.
What I'm getting at here is: I've made about a dozen videos at this point about two very easy things that can be done in order to satiate the base here.
Acosta's transcript, as well as the internal chatter around that, and the results of the CI name trace.
If we're told that Epstein belonged to intelligence by the Daily Beast, is it true?
Mike, if you can hang with us through the break, I know the audience really respects your viewpoints on this, and I do think there's sort of this concerted effort to reframe the Epstein stuff to make it so sort of tabloid-esque, limited hangout focus on the stupid, weird birthday card instead of what I think the thing itself is, right?
Which is the domestic, frankly, foreign intelligence lakes.
I know you were tweeting last night if anyone had done a CIA name trace on Jeffrey Epstein.
Just a lot of rudimentary stuff where, you know, I think we've become so accustomed to being called conspiracy theorists that we sort of just, you know, well, rolls off our back.
But like the stuff that we're asking for is not absurd.
Frankly, the stuff that we're asking for was just cited in that Wall Street Journal article.
I think the best way to clear it up would be just to, I don't know, release the freaking book that these alleged cards were in.
And frankly, I would like to know who actually wrote him birthday cards and who actually was partying and hanging around him, Democrat, Republican, or otherwise.
I don't discriminate.
We'll be right back, more Mike Benz after this short break.
We'll be right back.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Man.
Welcome back to The War Room.
We're still joined by Mike Benz.
Mike, you've got the last few minutes of the show.
Just sort of help the audience understand where you think we go from here, you know, what the next few days look like.
I think where we go from here is going to totally depend on the admin's response.
This has been one of the more bizarre episodes in the history of our running love affair with Trump, I think, from the base, in the sense that this is not an issue that really affects our day-to-day life like the economy or like a foreign war or even something like the trade war or even something like a government agency like USAID.
This is kind of a litmus test issue about responsiveness to the base in terms of cleaning up past episodes of corruption to send a message that such a thing cannot be done again.
And in that spirit, I think that Trump has hoped that this would go away because it's not as big an issue in terms of the day-to-day impact on people's lives as other things.
And so there has been a constant flip-flopping between saying, yes, we'll give transparency.
You're crazy if you want transparency.
Yeah, a special prosecutor sounds good.
What do you want a special prosecutor for?
It's not necessary.
As I posted yesterday, Trump in 2015 saying Bill Clinton is going to have a problem because of a little guy named Jeffrey Epstein in a little island.
And then 2025, the Democrats and Bill Clinton made up the Jeffrey Epstein thing that he campaigned on as saying was evidence of corruption.
So I think there's been a hope that the MAGA base would kind of just let it go.
And ironically, this was the same hope, I think, that Democrats had that MAGA would just kind of let go of issues and instead found to, I think, Democrat and mainstream media dismay that the MAGA base is super hardcore.
When it bites its teeth into something, it's like a pit bull.
It doesn't really let go of it.
And, you know, Trump made this a MAGA thing to talk about.
You can't really un-MAGA it.
You can't really unring the bell.
And I think they're going to continually find this to be the case until we see good faith attempts to get answers.
It doesn't have to be a full answer.
Tulsi Gabber didn't give us a full answer on JFK, but we saw it was a good faith effort.
Just this week, The Washington Post had to publish on A1 front page the Joe and Eve stories about the CIA having assets fully in touch with Lee R. V. Oswald and surveying his home and mail beforehand.
I mean, this was all forced because of the good faith effort at ODNI.
And the least that can be done is to give us an answer on Epstein's intelligence ties, at least vis-a-vis what U.S. intelligence knew or information had collected on Epstein so that researchers can take it from there.
But we need an answer on that.
I don't think anyone's letting it go.
It's only going to get worse.
Yeah, I don't think our interest in the Epstein stuff was a function of President Trump talking about it.
So I don't think his dismissal of it is going to throw people off the case.
We're interested in it because it exposes answers to questions that, frankly, I don't even think we know exactly what those questions are because it gets to the power structures, the people, the foreign countries that run or try to influence this country.
And Mike Benz, I say it for myself, for Steve, and this audience, we appreciate the work that you've done on this front, giving us actionable calls so we don't look as crazy as we actually are or as the legacy media depicts us to be.
In the meantime, before we have you back on, we'll do the evening show, don't worry.
Where can people go to follow you and stay up to date with everything you're working on?
Find me on X at Mike Ben Cyber.
Thank you, sir, For joining us.
And Warren Posse, we're going to go to another Mike, equally a fighter.
That is Mike Lindell.
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Mike Lindell, we'll have you back soon.
Always appreciate you coming on.
And we are going live, always fun to toss, to a gaggle over at the White House with Tom Homan.
Thank you guys for hanging with me.
We're looking to get 100,000 beds.
And the more beds we get, the more bad guys we can take off the street.
Every criminal alien we arrest on the street, before we deport them, they need a bed because it takes several days, several weeks, several months to actually remove them.
So we need more beds.
We're bringing beds on as quickly as possible.
I think Governor Santis came up with a good model.
And I'm not familiar with the cost yet.
That's a question for ICE, but we're looking for beds, and I hope we get more beds on soon.
We need the beds.
I'm sorry, I said Alcatraz.
I meant Alcatraz.
The reopening of Alcatraz, the original off the coast.
Well, look, I think they're looking at it.
I don't think any decision has been made yet.
They've looked at the cost of it, but I'm not in the loop on that.
But again, we're looking for any available bed space we can get that meet the detention standards that we're accustomed to.
Beds are important.
Last week, I woke up one morning.
We had less than 200 beds.
We'll fill them by half the day.
So we're constantly having to change flight arrangements and move deportations as quick as we can to empty beds.
We shouldn't be in that position.
These operations take time.
They're well thought out operations.
We need to know that there's a number of beds available.
We take the bad guys off the street.
So we need to bring beds on as quick as possible.
That's exactly what we're doing.
What's the favorite $2 billion?
Plans to continue major enforcement pushes within sanctuary cities and states?
Well, the president made it clear we're going to focus on sanctuary cities, make them priority.
And why is that?
Because we know they're a problem.
We know they're releasing public safety threats every day because they're sanctuary cities.
They're not honorary detainers.
We don't have that problem.
Most of Texas and Florida, for instance.
So we can take resources from no areas and put them in areas where we know there's a problem.
So I said for weeks, we're going to flood the zone in sanctuary cities.
You're going to see a record number of agents in the neighborhoods and a record number of agents at work site.
If they don't give us the criminal alien the safety and security of county jail, then we're going to go to the neighborhood and find them because we're going to do the job.
We can't find them in the neighborhood, we'll find them at the work site.
So sanctuary cities get exactly what they don't want.
More agents in the community, which is going to equal more collateral arrests.
Because when we find the bad guy with somebody that's not a criminal, but he's here illegally, they're coming to.
So the president made that commitment, and I made that commitment, and that's exactly what we're going to do.
And we're already doing it.
If you say it ultimately costs $2 billion to renovate Alcatraz, is that a figure that you're comfortable with?
I'd have to see how many beds come out of that number, and what's the length of stay that that facility is going to do.
We've got short-term bed facilities, we've got long-term bed facilities.
So unless I have that information, I can't even give you a guess.
Mr. Holmar, how do you do things like alligator Alcatraz instead of the stick facilities?
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