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July 11, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4624: Trump Heads To Texas; Coverup Of Epstein Files
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steve bannon
18:55
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alan dershowitz
01:42
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ben bergquam
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donald j trump
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jack posobiec
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leigh ann caldwell
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mark krikorian
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mike benz
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natalie winters
02:27
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susan glasser
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jake tapper
00:10
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jonathan lemire
00:49
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stephanie ruhle
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stephanie ruhle
The Supreme Court ruled today that the administration can move forward to fire tens of thousands of federal employees.
A, how significant is that?
And B, does the administration still want to do that now that we're living in a post-Elon Musk supercharge Doge era?
leigh ann caldwell
So on the first part about how significant it is for the Supreme Court, it's absolutely significant.
This is the latest case that the Supreme Court has handed even more present or more power to the president and the executive branch.
We are seeing a theme not only in Congress handing over power to the executive branch, but the Supreme Court as well.
And this is exactly what Donald Trump and his administration were planning for and hoping for when they were making very, very aggressive moves that they knew that they were going to be sued over, that the Supreme Court was going to come down on their side.
Now, and it's just for now, so we'll see what happens in the future.
There's probably going to be additional suits, especially if they act outside the bounds of the law, which is what Justice Sotomayor and Elena Kagan said.
But do they still want to do this?
It seems absolutely that the White House and Donald Trump still wants to make some massive changes to the federal government.
You know, he said, I think it was today where if he was in charge of Doge, he would have done things differently.
Well, the administration has not made any indication that they want to reverse a lot of these cuts.
And Congress in the next couple weeks is going to vote on a $9 billion package to rescind some of these cuts, including USAID stuff.
jonathan lemire
And speaking of government cuts, the State Department will begin mass layoffs of its workforce as early as this morning.
Employees were formally notified yesterday that dismissals would finally begin after months of delays.
The mass firings are a part of a reorganization of the agency that includes closing or merging more than 300 bureaus and offices.
The plan was unveiled by Secretary of State Marco Rubio back in May.
He called his department bloated and said the changes would better align it with core American values and root out pockets of radical political ideology.
The Supreme Court cleared the way for the cuts earlier this week after overturning a lower court decision that had blocked the Trump administration from moving forward with the layoff.
mike benz
I have this presentation I'm working on.
That'll be up tomorrow.
This is a placeholder.
I'm just going to say what it is.
The 2008 plea deal review that was done by the Justice Department's Office of Professional Responsibility can answer publicly once and for all the question that has hung over the Epstein case since 2019 as to whether or not the Vicki Ward story about Epstein belonged to intelligence,
or at least that Alex Acosta, the then Justice Department official who gave the sweetheart deal to Epstein in 2008, was, quote, told to back off of Epstein because he belonged to intelligence and it was above his pay grade.
The question about whether or not Vicki Ward's reporting was accurate has been a giant mystery that's hung over this.
There are two separate lines of inquiry about the intelligence question.
One is, was Jeffrey Epstein working with U.S. and or foreign intelligence agencies?
And two, if yes, did that influence in any way the course of prosecutions of Epstein while he was carrying on these activities for so long?
alan dershowitz
I tell you, I know for a fact documents are being suppressed.
And they're being suppressed to protect individuals.
I know the names of the individuals.
I know why they're being suppressed.
I know who's suppressing them.
But I'm bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases.
And I can't disclose what I know.
But I can to God, I know, I know the names of people whose files are being suppressed in order to protect them.
And that's wrong.
unidentified
Just out of curiosity without names, are these politicians, business leaders, both?
alan dershowitz
They're everything.
And let me tell you, a lot of them are at least one of them is somebody who was accused.
Others are accusers.
And the judges have said, if somebody calls themselves a victim, we're not going to give any information about them.
But they may not be victims.
They may be perpetrators.
So we don't have information about false accusers.
And we know there have been many false accusers who have accused innocent people for money.
And those records are being deliberately, willfully suppressed.
And they shouldn't be suppressed.
If the accusation is allowed out, so should the material that diminishes the credibility of the accuser.
We want total transparency on this.
Every single document.
No redaction.
That's what I've said from day one.
I waive any of my rights to privacy, anything there is about me.
I'm happy because it will be exculpatory because I know I haven't touched a woman other than my wife from the day I met Jeffrey Epstein.
I don't even hug people, but I was falsely accused and I was able to prove it.
And I was able to prove it through documents.
And I want other people to be able to disprove false accusations through documents.
But these documents are being suppressed and withheld.
susan glasser
Yeah, I think this is a really important point.
First of all, that quote is a remarkable quote from Marco Rubio, formerly not only an establishment-type Republican, but a huge proponent of diplomacy and American soft power around the world.
You know, the flip-flop by Marco Rubio is one of the more dramatic, if underappreciated, stories in Trump 2.0.
And, you know, that quote, what does it do?
It underscores the idea that it's not just a kind of an inward-looking isolationist foreign policy that the Trump administration is pursuing right now, Jonathan, but it's actually a war against radical political ideology.
That's the enemy within.
This is a modern-day version, essentially, of a kind of McCarthyism that you're seeing.
Remember that one of McCarthy's main targets was enemies, as he called them, within the State Department who were somehow disloyal.
And so that language to me, especially at the State Department, I mean, that's a historical echo that Marco Rubio had to have been conscious of when he used that phrase.
And he, of course, is parroting Donald Trump himself, who I think in one of the most sort of overlooked statements before the 2024 election, Trump gave an interview in which he said, yeah, you know, we have adversaries, we have Russia and China internationally, but then we have the enemy from within.
And of those, the enemy from within is the greater enemy.
And I think this administration isn't so much focused on countering adversaries overseas as it is in a series of loyalty purges from within.
We just heard those horrifying statistics about FEMA and not only the vacancies there, but the idea that the Secretary of Homeland Security would want to be personally signing off on minor decisions because they don't trust federal government employees.
But of course, Russia and China have radically expanded their presence overseas in countries around the world in order to counter the United States and its soft power.
So this is like an own goal once again.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bam.
steve bannon
It's Friday, 11 July, Year of Our Lord, 2025.
We're here at the Student Action Summit in Tampa, Florida, the turning point.
And I am officially today a rose between two thorns.
We have Natalie Winters.
Thank you.
natalie winters
When I first met you, that was the first thing you ever said to me.
jack posobiec
He asked us to stand here so he said, I'm loving the show.
steve bannon
Normally Natalie's in the middle, but hey.
natalie winters
Well, I'm fresh off my cruise.
steve bannon
It's last night's show.
Last night's show.
Fantastic.
Yeah, that was great going, Rev. We had her out on the balcony with a palm tree.
No, it was fantastic.
natalie winters
No Soros money.
steve bannon
It was a great show.
jack posobiec
They were trying to throw her beads.
I don't know what was up with that.
steve bannon
Oh, we're going live to let's go to Brian Glenn.
Brian Glenn's about to get on Air Force One.
He's at Andrews Air Force Base to travel with the President of the United States to Kerrville, Texas.
The president is going to get a hands-on brief today and a walk around to see the devastation and the tragedy in Kerrville.
Brian Glenn, what do you got for us, brother?
unidentified
Thank you.
We're on our way down to find South Crystal River.
This is the third time that we really wanted to have an area.
steve bannon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
We're going to try to get the engines.
Okay, we're right there.
Let's just go.
Let's just kill the sound and keep the shot.
I want to keep that shot.
jack posobiec
That's Marine 1 there.
steve bannon
Keep the shot.
Marine 1.
Let's go full screen.
I'm going to direct here.
Full screen would be a full screen.
There we go.
Okay, there's a full screen.
Marine 1.
I don't think the president's exited yet.
jack posobiec
Is this the staff one or is this Marine 1?
steve bannon
I don't know.
Somebody's high and tight there with a couple of salutes, so we'll find out.
Anyway, Andrews Air Force Base right there.
The President of the United States is going to leave momentarily for Kerrville, Texas.
And we're going to cover this.
Our own Brian Glenn, Real America's Voice, is there at Andrews Air Force One.
Let's go to, and don't show the shot.
I want to keep right here.
Maybe just do a box.
Let's go to Ben Berquam.
He's with us in Tampa.
Ben, what will the president see today when he goes and sees the devastation at that just incredible biblical level flood, sir?
ben bergquam
Well, just first off, heartbreak, Steve.
This is a small community that's been absolutely devastated.
And not just Kerrville.
You've got Comfort downriver.
You've got Horn.
You've got Ingram.
All of these communities and all of the tributaries off of the river.
That whole area, the hill country of Texas, has just been devastated.
And we finally, you know, we were down there from day one.
We're over 120 deaths.
We finally got the number of missing, 170, but the unknowns are still unknown.
It's absolutely devastating.
steve bannon
Hang on.
This must be not the staff.
This must be the president himself, right?
You got the military escort.
We'll have to say, I think this is the president's Marine one itself.
President will be exiting in a moment.
Ben, some of the briefings the last couple of days have not been the best, right?
Clearly, they don't want to talk about the process they had down there.
They're saying it's too early, but at some point, is that the president?
There's the president of the United States.
Nope.
unidentified
Got to get better glasses.
steve bannon
Or Brian Glenn.
Got to give me a heads up.
Okay, there's Maureen One.
Ben, are they going to do, who will actually brief it?
It will be Abbott and that team or Christy Noam.
I guess Christy Noam should be there.
Who do you think will be down there?
Because some of the locals briefing and some of the Texas authority, we've gotten conflicting information virtually every day, sir.
ben bergquam
Yeah, he'll get a brief.
steve bannon
Hold on, hold on, hang on.
There's the president exiting right now.
President Trump at Andrews Air Force Base.
First Lady right there.
Thank you, Rev. We're going to blow the brake.
Thank you.
First Lady.
I think it's very important the First Lady is going down there, particularly given the tragedy with the children.
ben bergquam
Yeah.
steve bannon
Horrible.
ben bergquam
Yeah, 36 kids so far that we know of.
steve bannon
We're still five missing from Mystic, correct?
The camp and one counselor, I believe.
ben bergquam
Yep, yep.
And again, unknown numbers that are still missing.
And he'll get a brief from the locals.
He'll get a brief from emergency management, the state level, and then also from the federal level.
steve bannon
We're going to hang here.
The media, I think, with Brian Glenn is outside normally.
You'll see if the president goes up or just enters Air Force One.
jack posobiec
Susie.
steve bannon
Susie Wiles, Chief of Staff.
President not going to take any questions.
He and the First Lady.
So they're going to get on with this.
You know, the President means business.
I don't think he had his tie on, right?
That's when he's in business mode.
President is going to get on Air Force One.
So it's what, a two and a half, three-hour trip in headwinds?
Three-hour trip in headwinds.
They're an hour behind us, so hopefully Charlie Kirk will pick that up on the Charlie Kirk show.
President waving to the audience now.
The media will jump in the back way, Susie Wiles, all of it.
Ben Berquam, what can the president anticipate?
I mean, they're now in a recovery.
I want to add, too, that yesterday when we heard a two days ago, they told us there had not been a live, this is the power of that.
There had not been a live rescue since Friday morning, right?
That was the power of that flood.
Ben Berquam, your thoughts as the president gets ready to depart Andrews Air Force Base?
ben bergquam
Well, yeah, unfortunately, everything is recovery now.
So everything he's going to see, the devastation he's going to see, and there's some areas that they've done an initial sweep on, but as those water levels drop, they're getting access to more of the debris.
And basically, they're digging through debris following the smell to find the bodies.
It's horrific.
It's absolutely horrific.
steve bannon
What is this controversy?
Posto, you actually didn't break it, but you promoted it and made it a national story about what happened in Texas with the air assets from the fire brigade, all of that.
How big a deal is that?
jack posobiec
Well, there's a story.
It was very small when it first came out on a Facebook post from the Austin Fire Association saying that they had held their tongue for too long, and finally they were waiting for recovery ops to get through, but that they had had a request put up, that ran up the chain in Austin there, which has one of the largest fire departments in that part of Texas, some of the best trained rescue swimmers and rescue boats and the Swiftwater Techs.
And they said we had put in a request on July 2nd, two days before the flood to deploy, which was denied by the fire chief up there.
And then we started looking into this fire chief, Steve, and he's as DEI as they come.
This guy is a DEI hire for diversity purposes.
steve bannon
Why did they not do it?
jack posobiec
He claimed that they had a standing order against deployments because of budgetary issues, even though the state had come in and said they would backfill and return.
steve bannon
Now, there's also an issue about FEMA and about Christy Noam.
We've got to get to that maybe tomorrow or maybe this afternoon about for cost cutting, she says everything over $100,000 she has to approve.
And there's some debate about certain equipment or certain resources that were held up for FEMA over the weekend because they didn't get to it until Monday.
So we have to get that.
The left is going to try to take every shot at President Trump, the National Weather Service, the cuts, all of it.
And so we've definitely got to get ahead of this because you can tell they're trying to politicize this.
They're trying to politicize this.
jack posobiec
It's not political from the Austin standpoint because this is the actual Austin firefighters themselves.
And this is their union president coming up.
And he's not Republican.
He's not Democrat.
He's just been a firefighter.
And he himself is a Swiftwater tech.
And he said, this is exactly what we trained for because back in the 80s, the exact same tragedy took place at the same river.
natalie winters
Well, I'd also add, too, that all this uproar, right?
The idea that, oh, we're not politicizing it.
They have politicized flood response, frankly, the domestic priorities of this country for decades.
Even if you just look under Joe Biden, I mean, so much, as you recall from the North Carolina floods, flood response, emergency management response, actual equipment, flood technology, stuff like that was shipped over to Ukraine.
And you have so many towns across Texas that don't even have basic rudimentary flood alert systems.
So they've politicized.
steve bannon
Berkwom, you can back that statement up, right?
When you saw North Carolina and Tennessee, that stuff has gone to Ukraine and they purposely held stuff back from the citizens there.
ben bergquam
Yeah, what was insane about that, Helene, North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, I went several months afterwards even, and there were areas that looked like it had happened the day before.
I mean, it was just dismal, the response.
And to think that we were spending billions of dollars on foreign countries while our own citizens were left to die.
steve bannon
The FEMA situation was so bad, not sending them anything to live in and stuff like that.
This is where President Trump got and said, hey, we're out of FEMA.
Let's get it back to the states.
ben bergquam
Yeah, even worse, Steve, they had the trailers for them to live in.
They didn't even deploy them to let them live in them.
And when we finally did, they were all empty.
So everything they did under Biden was an absolute disaster.
And even to this day, they're still rebuilding.
They're still digging through the debris.
There's still hundreds that are missing.
It's criminal.
It's criminal.
And we're talking about investigations.
I know we're going to be talking a lot about that on other topics later on.
We still need investigations.
steve bannon
Well, hang on a second.
We're going to get to the Epstein Intel, all the Mike Benz part of it.
But I want to get, well, I got you.
I want to go to your beloved state, California.
Yesterday.
natalie winters
You can't project that onto me.
steve bannon
I don't know.
No, it shows you how far in your journey, how far you've come.
And now Newsom this morning called the President of the United States scump.
By the way, if we get the Air Force One leaving, let's take that shot.
They're back and forth between the President and Newsom.
What happened?
You're saying, if we have that tape, can we play it what happened in the marijuana fields with the child trafficking for labor?
What is the situation?
What's the situation out there?
ben bergquam
The illegals have been crossing into California for decades.
After Amnesty under Reagan, basically they had a free ride.
You've got all of these businesses.
You've got all of these farmers and ranchers.
And now you've got the drug industry because they've legalized marijuana in California.
Basically, they've legalized trafficking.
So they're trying to make it out like ICE are the bad guys.
ICE are going in there and actually saving kids, taking kids out of human trafficking.
They've been trafficked up to work at these pot farms.
And you've got the left out there attacking ICE for it.
It's insane.
jack posobiec
So Steve, and there's Air Force One taking off.
So ICE conducts this massive raid.
It's actually two farms.
And protesters from Antifa and others came in to try to block the raids.
I guess they got tipped off to it somehow from their network.
steve bannon
So you're seeing the bottom from his side, inside the apparatus.
This is Homeland Security.
And this is why you can't coordinate with local law enforcement.
That's right.
Because local law enforcement is riddled with informants that are giving the other side.
So they got out there.
And by the time they get out there, they've got a whole Praetorian guard of these protesters.
jack posobiec
And what we need to add, though, is that one of these guys came armed and took pot shots at the ICE agency.
steve bannon
He wasn't pot shots.
He was firing.
jack posobiec
He's firing.
natalie winters
I'd also add, too, right, Representative Pramila Jayapal, who we've documented extensively how she's been collaborating with Harvard, taking taxpayer funds to do these sort of resistance-type training programs.
She's now calling for basically to attack ICE officers, saying that she's inspired when she sees people carry out these terrorist attacks.
And I think when you link it back to everything we've been talking about, right, where we've seen USAID and State Department officials openly admitting that they're trying to sabotage President Trump, it's out in the open.
It's what they're doing.
steve bannon
As soon as we get that video, after Air Force One leaves, we ought to put it up.
jack posobiec
But Steve, what Newsom said is so egregious because Newsom comes out there, he says, you can't be coming in with these raids.
You can't be doing it.
And they launched some tear gas after the shots were fired.
He said, you can't be doing tear gas.
He says, hey, there's children down there.
There's children down there.
And then everybody starts responding.
He said, of course there's children there because they're child traffickers and they're trafficking children.
And ICE is the one going in there on Trump's orders to save them.
steve bannon
Amen.
Amen.
natalie winters
We got some more room posse.
unidentified
I think we need to children.
Ho, ho, ho.
jack posobiec
What do you say, folks?
unidentified
Should we save the children?
ben bergquam
Hold it.
jack posobiec
I am shocked.
steve bannon
I thought only VIPs were in here at 10 o'clock.
jack posobiec
The posse.
unidentified
This is VIPs.
ben bergquam
VIPs need to be.
jack posobiec
This is VIP.
natalie winters
Posse.
unidentified
Yo.
steve bannon
What a motley crowd.
jack posobiec
VI posse.
Very important posse.
steve bannon
Okay, hang on for a second.
While we do this, I got Mark O'Corey in because Axios led the last two days.
Axios has had the story, and this is Charlie Kirk.
I'm going to do a hard handover with Charlie today at noon.
Charlie Kirk, Jack Pesobic, Grill America's Voice, War Room.
We pounded down when they ran up the flagpole, amnesty, right?
The A-word.
No amnesty.
Mass deportations now.
Amnesty never.
That's right.
ben bergquam
That's really simple, Steve.
No amnesty.
Not a single illegal should be allowed to stay in our country that's been let into our country illegally.
So that's act one.
jack posobiec
We're putting them on amnesty watch.
steve bannon
Now, hang on.
Hang on.
natalie winters
Can't citizen arrest, citizen deportation.
steve bannon
Citizen deportation.
ben bergquam
Hey, you know, Cesar.
jack posobiec
Cesar Chavez used to do that.
ben bergquam
Cesar Chavez had a game of the money.
steve bannon
Say about that.
Say about Cesar.
jack posobiec
Talk about that.
ben bergquam
Yeah, so Cesar Chavez, the hero of the left when it comes to illegal immigration.
He actually had a gang of guys that would go and catch illegals coming across the border.
They would beat them and they would deport them back to Mexico.
That's Cesar Chavez's real legacy.
They don't want you to know that.
He didn't want illegals coming into our country.
And now you've got the same people celebrating him as this hero.
If you want to do what Cesar Chavez did, we'll start citizen deportment.
steve bannon
Cesar was not a hero to them on immigration.
He was a hero to them about farm labor, getting a decent wage.
And he said day one, if you allow all these illegal immigrants to come in here versus people that are here legally, they will never be able to remember.
Back in the 60s, I know some of you are not old enough to remember.
natalie winters
It's the populism of AOC and Bernie, right?
They won't touch it.
They won't touch illegal immigration.
steve bannon
Well, but Caesar did because he said, hey, it was great pickers, lettuce pickers, and they had a big revolt.
He actually got a Navy ship.
There's Air Force One leaving.
No, Jack Pesobic, whispering in my ear, is that the Qatari plane?
No, Jack, that is not the Qatari plane.
jack posobiec
No, not yet.
steve bannon
That is not the Qatar.
The Qatari plane is going to be taken apart rivet by rivet.
jack posobiec
It's still not the original, though.
They've still got the other one out.
steve bannon
Yeah, okay.
There we go.
President's wheels up.
Brian Glenn is with him going to Kerrville, Texas.
jack posobiec
Can I just juxtapose this for a second?
You got President Trump is going up there now with the first lady.
It is a working day.
This is Friday.
Every day is a working day in the Trump presidency.
But he has taken time out of his day to go and stand with the people who have lost everything.
steve bannon
Yes.
jack posobiec
And these Democrats, they're standing with the child traffickers in the cannabis farms of California.
And every single farm that gets hit, they're finding more and more children.
steve bannon
To her point, they're backing up people actually attacking them now with firearms, right?
They took shots yesterday.
jack posobiec
Sonny, Axios, they want blood.
That's what the Axios P said.
They said they want blood.
natalie winters
Who was a they, them?
So choose your term.
But that's it.
unidentified
Yeah, we got to be problematic here.
natalie winters
But Representative Jayapol had partnered with her whole sort of modus operandi, her canon of work was in terrorism studies.
And that he was advising the Democratic Party on how to stage and wage their resistance against President Trump.
This is not democracy rhetoric.
This is kinetic.
steve bannon
Okay, so Axios had amnesty.
Charlie Kirk leading at the turning point on his show with Basovic and ourselves in War Room, the War Room posse, beat that down.
Now, Axios is reporting, okay, there's certain people around the president that are coming up with Amnesty Light, right?
Amnesty Light.
natalie winters
I think we need a louder boom.
steve bannon
What do you guys think about that?
Who wants amnesty?
Any amnesty.
Any amnesty at all?
unidentified
Is there anyone out here who voted for amnesty?
steve bannon
Okay, hang on.
Let's bring in Mark Kikorian.
Let's bring in Mark Kikorian.
It's early.
See, they're just here to Tampa.
After tonight, tomorrow morning, they'll be hyped.
After a wild night in Tampa.
Mark Kikorian, you recorded in the Axio story.
Walk our audience through here and throughout the nation.
And what is amnesty light?
And why do we have to be wary of it, sir?
mark krikorian
Well, I mean, amnesty is amnesty.
It's letting illegal immigrants stay is amnesty.
There's amnesty light where you get a work permit.
I like to call it amnesty premium where you get a green card.
But the point is, they're illegal immigrants and they get to stay.
And if you're going to do it, just own it.
I'm frankly kind of a boomer squish among immigration restrictionists on amnesty.
I'm at least Willing at some point down the road after we fix this problem to consider it.
But the administration's only been in office for six months.
We haven't fixed this problem yet.
We've had a good start, no question about it.
But that's all it is.
This is literally just the start of the process.
steve bannon
Don't we have 10 million illegal alien invaders, at least on Biden's watch?
Mark Green says 13 million.
Trump says 21 million.
Don't we have to deport mass deportations for all not just the bad ombres?
All of them have to be deported, right?
And then we can have discussions about what happens after that.
mark krikorian
Yeah, and this is the problem I have with all of the talk about the criminals.
And obviously, there's a lot of illegal alien criminals.
They all need to go.
But most illegal immigrants are just regular working stiffs.
They've committed all kinds of crimes, ID theft, tax, fraud, everything.
But they're not violent people.
But the point is they got to go.
Biden illegally let them in.
We got rid of Biden.
steve bannon
Here's the pitch.
mark krikorian
And now we have to get rid of the people.
steve bannon
The pitch they lay out in Axios, if someone's been here for 10 years, right, and has no criminal record, they're going to work on some way they can stay.
Do you guys approve of that?
You approve of that?
Did you vote for that?
natalie winters
I was promised retribution.
I don't know about you guys.
mark krikorian
I don't get anything.
steve bannon
Is that the plan they're trying to...
mark krikorian
And the fact is, why are we even talking about it?
Because the point, the goal of the administration isn't just to deport everybody, because there's only so many people ICE can take into custody and remove.
They're hoping for being able to get people to leave on their own as well, which is how it worked when Eisenhower did this.
Most of the illegals who left left on their own.
That's not going to happen if you're talking about, well, maybe we'll let you stay.
Maybe we'll give you a green card and a social security number.
Why would anybody leave if that's what they're hearing in the news?
steve bannon
Absolutely.
natalie winters
Yeah, I have a question, too.
I think it's regrettable that we even have to sort of solidify that the goalpost should be no amnesty, but particularly on the legal immigration front, obviously we're very anti-H-1BVC here in the worm.
They announced tens of thousands of more for the preceding fiscal year.
I'm just curious where we stand on sort of reforming the legal immigration front.
Is it similarly watered down, or do you see any promising moves there?
mark krikorian
Well, I haven't seen much promising yet, quite frankly.
Now, a lot of the things Congress is going to have to do, and Congress is so narrowly split and the Democrats won't agree to anything.
There are some administrative things they can do.
They need to do more.
steve bannon
They need to do more.
We got to fire up on Congress.
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We're going to keep Mark Corey and around.
Dan Colby's going to join us.
We're also going to talk about the only solution for Epstein right now.
And you had Dershowitz in our cold open, who happens to be Epstein's lawyer and says there is a list.
There's only one solution.
And I'll throw it out to my colleagues in Berkwom and Jane when we get back.
You must appoint a special prosecutor immediately.
That special prosecutor, right?
unidentified
Who wants a special prosecutor on Epstein?
steve bannon
You have to do it.
You have to do it.
DOJ and FBI love those guys, but they can't, no possibility they can do it.
Too busy.
Okay, short commercial break.
Mark Okorian, Dan Carlwell, the team here at the War Room, and discussion in depth about Mike Benn's intelligence and a special prosecutor next in the war room.
donald j trump
Some of you are coming with us.
unidentified
How are you?
donald j trump
And it's a horrible thing.
A horrible thing.
Nobody can even believe it, such a thing.
That much water that fast.
Without a dam break, you'd think a dam would have to break to have it.
So it's a terrible thing.
We're going to be there with some of the great families and others, the governor, everybody.
unidentified
We're going to be there.
Sir, what is the plan of the president?
Do you plan to be talking to the Bolivian president about the tariffs?
donald j trump
Maybe at some point I'll talk to him.
Right now I'm not.
They're treating President Bolsonaro very unfairly.
He's a good man.
You know, I know him well.
I negotiated with him.
He was a very tough negotiator, and I can tell you he was a very honest man, and he loved the people of Brazil.
He was a very tough guy to negotiate with.
I shouldn't like him, because he was very tough in negotiation, but he was also very honest.
And I know the honest ones, and I know the crooked ones.
We're going to see.
It was sent yesterday.
unidentified
They called.
donald j trump
I think it was fairly well received.
It's what we need.
unidentified
So we'll see what happens.
Watching Brooks in a maternity hospital and you train overnight.
donald j trump
I know.
You'll be seeing things happen.
unidentified
Now that you will go to Texas, are you planning on delivering any type of guilt for undocumented families that love everything in your children?
Yes.
donald j trump
I think we've done very well on immigration.
We were given a very bad hand by Biden.
He allowed 25 million people to come in totally unchecked, unvetted.
We're getting the criminals out and we're getting them out fast.
The courts have ultimately done the right thing.
Amazingly, they've really done the right thing and they understand it's really the survival of our country.
It's a very important thing.
We can't have like 11,888 murderers.
And you know, something that you should have that you haven't reported, as you know, 300,000 children are missing, right?
300,000 under Biden.
And we've already gotten back 10,000 of those children.
And we have a lot more planned to come back.
We're getting them back by the thousands, but 300,000.
And as of this morning, over 10,000 we've gotten back.
unidentified
What is your advice to countries worldwide ahead of the upcoming tariff deadline?
donald j trump
Oh, I think just keep working hard.
You know, we've been taken advantage of for many, many years by countries, both friend and foe.
And frankly, the friends have been worse than the foes in many cases.
So I would say just keep working.
It's all going to work out.
unidentified
I don't know.
I don't know.
donald j trump
I think he's doing a terrible job.
I think we should be three points lower interest rates.
He's costing our country a lot of money.
We should be number one.
And we're not.
And that's because it's Jerome Powell.
In terms of interest, we are number one in the world.
Look, I'll tell you a little simple language.
One year ago, our country was a dead country.
We were going nowhere except down.
We were the laughingstock all over the world.
And now we're the hottest country anywhere in the world.
We're number one everywhere, anywhere in the world.
And that's all they're talking about is our country.
One year ago, it was a dead country.
Now it's the hottest country anywhere in the world.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
Okay, I might add, I just want to say this.
He did not get one question on Jeffrey Epstein.
And the president will take that.
He will take that, that, you know, move on.
I'm just saying.
jack posobiec
Dude, we're not going to stop at the end of the day.
I know that Jeffrey Epstein around here should be, folks.
steve bannon
No, I got that.
But I'm saying, and his perception and perception, as you know, goes a long way to reality here.
So I'm just saying.
natalie winters
That was why they put new media.
steve bannon
They asked 10 questions there and not one question.
I didn't love the answer, and I don't love this answer about Kokorian.
Come back here, Mark Kikorian, CIS.
The president once again caveats by saying, we got to get the bad ombres out.
We got to get the criminals out.
That's code for, I'm going to get the criminals out, and then we're going to have some discussion, right?
I don't think it is no amnesty.
Mass deportations.
Mass deportations means mass deportations, not a couple of hundred thousand criminals, right?
And I think this is where we're getting, you can see we're going to get jammed up into this area.
Is that your concern?
mark krikorian
Yeah, absolutely it is.
Absolutely it is.
Because saying that you want to deport criminals isn't easy.
It's almost a cop-out.
Of course you want to deport criminals.
I mean, who doesn't?
It's kind of like the old joke.
Was it Chris Rock or somebody who said, you know, you bring your kid up right and you boast about it.
And he said, what, do you want a cookie for that?
That's what you're supposed to do.
Of course we deport the criminals.
But there's two things here.
First of all, if you want people to self-deport, you've got to deport regular people too so that ordinary illegal immigrants understand that the party's over, it's time to pack up the kids and go back.
And the other thing is, what is a criminal?
Are we talking just rapists and murderers?
They're terrible, obviously.
Get rid of all of them.
But what about people who've stolen the IDs of American children and messed up their ability to get a college loan or even their medical care has been compromised?
Are those people criminals?
unidentified
Sure.
mark krikorian
What about tax thieves?
steve bannon
What about illegally, as the audience says, aren't they a criminal?
Marker Corian, you're the expert.
If you came in here illegally, are you a criminal?
I realize it's a misdemeanor, not quite a felony.
But hey, I went to Danbury prison for four months on a misdemeanor, right?
So people go to jail for misdemeanors.
anna paulina luna
If I could just jump in, I think that there's also a big issue with these corporations that are getting passes for hiring illegals.
We just saw yesterday, you know, no one's to talk about the fact that you brought it up, Jack, that there are kids literally at a pot farm.
Well, that's not the first time that corporations have been busted for hiring migrant children.
Purdue and Tyson Chicken Farm actually got caught doing it, and yet Congress will not make a peep about it.
They don't want to increase the sentencing or the penalties for these corporations.
So it's like it's a multifaceted approach.
Anyone that tells you that, oh, well, we have to let these people in, but I will tell you that it actually is a dog whistle to signal more people to come here legally.
And it hurts people on both sides.
It hurts the people that are coming here.
They're working under the table.
They're taken advantage of.
So it's not this American dream story that they're trying to chalk up and serve to you.
It's a lot actually more sinister than that.
steve bannon
Talk about, Natalie just brought up in the last segment about Congress.
And Kerkorian said, hey, look, the executive orders, these kind of things have a limit.
When you talk about the H-2A visas, you talk about the H-1B visas.
Congress is going to have to act.
Is there any impetus inside, at least the Republican caucus, to take hard action on this, to start to limit actually, we have 12 million STEM workers, 12 million tech workers out of work here in the United States looking for work, and each corporation is trying to max out, I think there's 167,000 H-1B visas issued this year.
Is there any movement in Congress at all against the lobbyists to try to even enforce things on legal immigration?
anna paulina luna
Realistically, no, and I'll tell you that there's actually members of Congress on the Republican side that actually are pushing for amnesty.
And I actually was at a dinner conversation with a, unfortunately, a very liberal neocon senator.
I don't think I need to say their name.
But they were actually saying that.
But they were saying that under no way, shape, or form would there be ever, and this is always interesting because they say that border and immigration are the same thing.
They're not.
These are two separate issues.
But they wouldn't pass anything on border security if it didn't have amnesty.
And I'm thinking, are you listening to that?
steve bannon
Paulin, stop.
They said they wouldn't have passed anything on border security if they didn't know amnesty was coming?
anna paulina luna
No, if they didn't have a solution for giving full amnesty.
steve bannon
The Senate bill, you guys passed, I think, with $80 billion in for deportations and for the border security.
The Senate bill was $170 billion.
Isn't that enough to not just secure the border, but to start to get millions do mass deportations?
And when they talk to you about the program of the use of proceeds of that money, what are they telling members of Congress?
anna paulina luna
I will tell you that right now, I'm not too hopeful that there's actually going to be something to be more aggressive in codifying any of that stuff.
But what I will tell you is they're saying it's going to help with tech, it's going to help with hiring more agents, et cetera.
But at the same time that this is happening, remember, they're also not wanting to take aggressive stance in investigating some of the people That are bankrolling these mass immigration, illegal immigration.
steve bannon
You mean the NGOs and all that?
anna paulina luna
The NGOs, and I think that the NGOs are the biggest problem.
So I actually was following Data Republican on X. I'm sure you guys all know who she is.
And she was actually the one that flagged that Neville Singham was the one that was actually bankrolling a lot of these.
steve bannon
He's the billionaire communist.
anna paulina luna
He's literally directly tied to the CCP.
So you have all these knuckleheads out there waving Mexican flags, thinking that they're helping people, and they're not.
They're simply literally using Mexicans the same way that they use black Americans.
steve bannon
He's also the big funder.
He's in back of the New York City situation with the mayor.
anna paulina luna
He has his hands in a lot of pots.
And what I will tell you is that we actually sent a letter asking him to testify to Congress, and we can't deliver the letter.
He's literally not accepting the letter.
And so I actually have something going out to see if we can freeze assets if he's hiding out in China.
Why should we be allowing these people to ignore congressional authority when they're actually knowingly undermining our own efforts here in the United States, ushering in communism, and then honestly inciting mass rights and violence?
That's not normal.
steve bannon
Look, you're a firebrand in the House, but is anybody in leadership taking any of this seriously?
Are they just reporting to the donors and they hope this goes away?
By the way, this audience right here, are you ever going to back off no amnesty?
So the base here, the base of the party is locked in, no amnesty, no amnesty light, nothing, right?
You need mass deportations, not just the bad ombres, mass deportations.
anna paulina luna
that there are a lot of people that are unfortunately concerned about re-election.
And I would say that...
steve bannon
Isn't a winning issue to dig in hard?
You come from one of the toughest districts to win about the city.
anna paulina luna
They would say that they don't want to put people in tough positions to take hard votes is the content sentiment.
And I will just tell you this.
This is not just about taking tough votes.
It's literally about protecting the sanctity of the election process because you have these people being counted in the census.
That results in congressional districts.
And so it's so much more than that.
And so that's why you have to make sure that you are, A, advocating for it to be more aggressively approached.
But then also to leadership, Mike Johnson, I will tell you this to your face so I don't feel like I'm dragging you on Steve Mannon.
You need to get more aggressive in this approach, period.
steve bannon
More aggressive.
jack posobiec
Let's take a vote right now.
How many people in this audience, let's see a show of hands.
Do you want to see ICE raids like we saw yesterday in California all across the United States of America?
anna paulina luna
Oh, wait, wait, and by the way, let me add in too.
ICE officers, a lot of them are Hispanic.
Border Patrol, I think over 50% is Hispanic.
So you're telling me that Hispanics are now Gestapo?
It's literally the biggest BS ever because we know it's happening to our communities.
So to say to want border security or to want these deportations that it's racist, that's literally BS.
steve bannon
Should the President of the United States, because Newsom is now supporting and pushing, yesterday they had shots fired at guys.
Should the President of the United States consider arresting the neo-Confederate governor of California, Gavin Newsom?
anna paulina luna
I would say that I would say.
steve bannon
You guys agree with that?
You agree with that?
unidentified
Lock him up!
You guys can't hear their chanting, lock him up.
anna paulina luna
What I will tell you is that, and this is a perfect example, is I think that instead of the president doing that, he needs to make sure that the DOJ is doing their job and they need to open up full-fledged investigations.
We sent criminal referrals for some of these sanctuary city mayors.
That should also apply to governors that are not upholding federal law.
Okay?
So like first and foremost.
steve bannon
Hold, hang on.
You sent criminal referrals to a Justice Department run by the Trump administration.
Have those things been sent out?
anna paulina luna
I sent them over and they did not respond.
steve bannon
DOJ has not responded to you.
Isn't that kind of shocking?
Pam Bondi's from Florida.
You're from Florida.
You can't, I mean, she's not calling you saying, hey, APL, great idea.
I'm going to do it right away.
anna paulina luna
I think that the Attorney General needs to be very aggressive, and I would appreciate a phone call.
steve bannon
But they have made no contact with you.
And the criminal referral is for these neo-confederate mayors of these sanctuary cities that I actually questioned all of them.
anna paulina luna
I went through their policies in their cities and how it actually undermined federal law and how it was illegal.
And I actually was not going to, if they would have answered correctly and said, we've reversed this policy.
We want to make sure that we're in compliance with the law, I would not have done the criminal referrals.
But the ones that answered wrongly, the ones that are breaking the law, deserve to be investigated.
jack posobiec
Steve, you had another idea for the Department of Justice, right?
steve bannon
The Department of Justice, you mean the special prosecutor?
That shouldn't be.
jack posobiec
Congressman, would you support Steve's idea for his call for a special prosecutor on the Jeffrey Epstein case?
anna paulina luna
Yeah, I actually went on record saying that I would.
steve bannon
Oh, yeah.
Okay, hang on.
We're taking this.
jack posobiec
It's on the record, folks.
We're special counsel, Jeffrey Epstein.
steve bannon
By the way, Baba, that's not for DOJ.
That special counsel must report directly to the office of the president.
DOJ and FBI have got too much on their plate.
They've already blown this one.
They've got to go short break.
Back with APL in the team.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
Yo!
They're finally letting the War Room posse in here, the VIP tickets.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to get you guys a second.
Mark Kekorian, thank you for hanging out so much.
Where do people go to CIS to get the hardest core of the hardcore, sir?
anna paulina luna
Man Rosary.
mark krikorian
The CIS.
steve bannon
Do we lose Kokorian?
There we go.
mark krikorian
And if you like SNARK and sarcasm, I'm on Twitter at Mark S. Krikorian.
S's and Stephen.
Mark S. Krikorian.
steve bannon
No, it's fantastic.
Go to Kikorian.
Kikorian's got all the latest information put up with SNARK on the invasion of the United States of America.
Thank you, Kikorian.
Appreciate your brother.
mark krikorian
Thanks.
steve bannon
I want to go back to the Justice Department, the special prosecutor.
I mean, we can play it again.
Dershowitz was his lawyer.
Dershowitz came out and said, hey, there's a list, right?
You've been involved in this for quite a while, APL.
Where do we stand with this thing?
anna paulina luna
Well, I'm involved in the investigation.
steve bannon
No, no, no.
Do you support a special prosecutor?
anna paulina luna
Yeah, and I will say this.
Right now, this is interesting because you know that the task force that I'm running is actually, and has been very successful in getting a lot of these documents pertaining to the JFK assassination, right?
Like everything that just broke last week, Ratcliffe had actually released for the first time in 67 years of Joe Needy's files.
steve bannon
Hold it, hold it, hold it.
That proves that the CIA was involved.
That De Lee Harvey Ozzo is on the payroll.
anna paulina luna
Oh, trust me.
steve bannon
He's on the payroll, and they finally admitted after 60-some years, right?
anna paulina luna
They did, And that was because of President Trump's executive order.
But remember, the American people had inclinations.
They suspected there was a lot of theories.
But to treat the American people as if they're stupid and they can't make the determination for themselves, the way that they need to handle the Epstein files is they need to, no one wants to see child pornography.
No one wants to see victim information.
But there should be information available for the public to decide what they so choose in regards to the investigation.
That needs to be publicly out there.
They need to roll it out how they did with the JFK files.
I don't believe this whole notion of, you know, no one's involved.
I just don't.
steve bannon
Here's what I think the special prosecutor...
jack posobiec
Dershowitz, who was Epstein's lawyer, says there's people involved.
And even he says that it's being suppressed.
steve bannon
It seems to me, here's what you got to do.
Special counsel, special prosecutor has two mandates.
The first mandate is to go to the court and request formally, which the Justice Department refuses to do, to unveil, release all the secure documentation.
Because the court has put behind a wall.
jack posobiec
The SDNY has sealed it.
steve bannon
Partially, this was unsealed.
Not just SDNY, a federal judge has done it.
You've got to go to the judge to unseal the documents.
Those documents, once unsealed, plus all other information, all other information they have, every piece that that memo talked about, oh, it's not credible, all information by the special counsel then must be released to the public.
Let the public determine that, right?
And on the child pornography that was uploaded, maybe a special group inside there can redact it or whatever or lead to it, but all that.
In addition, the second mandate has to be that the special counsel has the ability to impanel a federal grand jury, criminal grand jury, and start to look at what Mike Benz is talking about, about the intelligence coordination here.
anna paulina luna
And if I can just add in, Steve, and also, too, like, I think that specifically the reason why this is such a big issue right now is because of how it's been handled, right?
Like, Jack, you actually did a really good explanation on what actually happened.
And I think that people are really frustrated because it's like they were promised information, they were not promised information, there's too much conflicting information in general.
And then, you know, you have people like Dan Bongino and Cash Patel that they can release certain information, but they can't do it without the approval of the Department of Justice.
So they're absolutely getting destroyed right now online.
And Caroline Levitt, who you guys all know, Caroline Levitt's not part of the swamp, but she's getting destroyed online.
So this is, I think, what the American people want.
And it's not just a Republican base issue.
It's massively bipartisan.
Democrats and Independents want to destroy it.
steve bannon
It is, but back to the Republican base.
The only way this thing, the firestorm, passes is if the five to 10 to maybe 15% of the Trump movement, the Pepe's and the hardcores, many of whom are in this audience, just say, I've had enough of it.
The Epstein situation gets down to one basic question.
One basic question.
Who governs this country, right?
Who governs this country?
Is it a shadowy network of intelligence, MI6, Saudi intelligence, the Mossad, CIA, elements of DNI with other international financiers and corporations and governments?
Are the people of the United States governed?
All that information has come out and the people have to weigh and measure it itself.
This is the most populous thing we can do right now.
jack posobiec
Steve went, Vladimir Putin.
steve bannon
Is that true?
It's not about just a pedophile ring and all that.
This is about who governs us, right?
And that's why it's not going to go away.
For this to go away, can we blow the break, by the way?
Can we blow the brake, guys?
For this to go away, you're going to lose 10% of the MAGA movement.
If we lose 10% of the MAGA movement right now, we're going to lose 40 seats in 26.
We're going to lose the president.
They don't even have to steal it, which they're going to try to do in 28, because they're going to sit there and they go, they've disheartened the hardest core populist nationals.
It's always been who governs us.
jack posobiec
Jack A.P.O. When Vladimir Putin came out and he was in that interview and Tucker went over, there was a line in there that's always stuck with me.
And he said, you can't negotiate with the presidents.
He said, I've been here for a lot of presidents.
You can't negotiate with the presidents.
I used to try to, but then I realized something, that the presidents weren't the ones in power.
He said, the United States is controlled by the men in dark suits.
anna paulina luna
Oh, yeah, they come out with the presidents.
jack posobiec
They come out after the president and they correct what the president said.
And he said, those are the ones that are actually in charge of your country.
That's what the Russians are saying.
They're laughing at you.
They say, you want to call us not Democratic?
At least we're honest about it.
natalie winters
And I'm sure APL can speak to this, but it's like time after time, whether it's the Hunter Biden hard drive, the Weaponization Committee, we have the easiest case to make.
It's just release the documents.
Meanwhile, the Democrats, for the last four years, off of trumped up charges, they created four felony indictments against President Trump.
They threw you in prison for bogus charges.
They threw thousands of Jan Sixters in prison for completely trumped up BS charges.
We have the easiest case to make.
We don't even have to lie about it.
steve bannon
Let the American people be the jury here.
Just release the documents and let people weigh and measure it, right?
anna paulina luna
Trust and transparency.
steve bannon
APL, we know you got a bolt.
Congressman, APL, where do people go to get you?
And by the way, where's that beautiful baby?
anna paulina luna
Oh, he's running around here.
Yes, we actually love children here.
We're the pro family.
Pro family.
You can follow me at RepLuna or Rio Ana Polina.
steve bannon
And one more time, you support a special prosecutor on the situation.
anna paulina luna
I support a special prosecutor on the side.
steve bannon
Because it's the only way out, right?
anna paulina luna
I would say that this seems to be handled the way that they handle transparency on JFK.
And frankly, every single person, cabinet member, I think, that's been appointed in some context actually supported.
steve bannon
Do you believe with your work at 30 seconds on JFK and now knowing that Lee Harvey Oslo was on the payroll of the CIA because of your hard work, did the CIA have a coup against Jack Kennedy?
anna paulina luna
Correct.
There's rogue factions of the CIA that engaged in the cover-up and also too, I believe, turned a blind eye or were involved in people that were associated with that.
steve bannon
That's a sitting member of Congress.
You're a dangerous.
anna paulina luna
And there's evidence that there was more than one shooter, and there's also evidence that the CIA admitted to not buying the loan gunman theory.
So America's right on this one.
steve bannon
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