July 11, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies,'cause we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| You're just not gonna get a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like games. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not gonna stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| Mega media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself. | ||
| What is my answer? | ||
| What is my purpose? | ||
| It's not an answer. | ||
| It's to save my country. | ||
| This country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. | ||
| *music* | ||
| It's Thursday, 10 July, Year of our Lord 2025. | ||
| Thank you for sticking around for the 6 p.m. | ||
| I want to thank Natalie and all the team down at Tampa for doing the 5 o'clock. | ||
| We'll be live in Tampa at Charlie Kirk's Student Action Summit all day Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. | ||
| So see you down there. | ||
| I'm so honored to have Ambassador Yue from the Republic of Taiwan, or as referred to in the war room, the Republic of China. | ||
| 47 years ago, this month, a young, I think that was Ensign or Lieutenant JG on a Navy destroyer was pulling into one of my favorite places, Taiwan, to go to Taipei. | ||
| We pull into Kaohsiung, which is the great harbor, one of the many great harbors in Taiwan. | ||
| A great love and affinity for the people in Taiwan. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| The reason I'm so honored that you joined us today, we have been focusing on the kinetic part of the Third World War. | ||
| We say we're already in. | ||
| Two million casualties, Gaza, Yemen, Ukraine, a million casualties on each side. | ||
| And our focus has been to say with the hemispheric strategy of the United States, the geostrategic pivot for the United States, really the Central Pacific, the three island chain, that Taiwan is more important than ever strategically and also with the advanced chip design. | ||
| You're one of our central allies. | ||
| And the Chinese, the PLA, and I see this as a 7th Fleet Sailor, these are not exercises that are happening anymore. | ||
| This is rehearsals. | ||
| It's shifted to something different. | ||
| So I'm honored to have you here. | ||
| Is any of the coercion or the step up of the focus of the military endeavor of the PLA and the PLA's Navy, is it causing great concern for our great allies in Taiwan? | ||
| Well, thank you, Steve, for having me at the war room. | ||
| And 47 years ago, you were in Kaohsiung, and I'm sure that if you go back to Kaohsiung nowadays, you'll find it completely transformed. | ||
| It's a whole different Taiwan that is today. | ||
| Back then, we were still under martial law, and now it's a fully democratic society. | ||
| But that's one of the main reasons People of the Republic of China wants to take Taiwan, because we are a threat to their legitimacy as government. | ||
| That proves a lie to the basic central premise of the Chinese Communist Party, that the Chinese people are too childlike to actually control. | ||
| If you look at Taiwan and Hong Kong, I would say two of the greatest small countries that fight way above their weight, it proves that the Chinese people can govern themselves. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| No, it's been you're celebrating 249 years as a republic, as a democratic republic, and Taiwan, we're a fairly new democracy. | ||
| It's been 25 years ago, year 2000, when we had the first transfer of power from one party to another via direct democratic elections. | ||
| So we're still learning to be a democracy, but we treasure what we have, and we will try to keep what we have. | ||
| But I also thank you for inviting me to the war room, and I think this is a very appropriate name because war is not conducted only on visible military face-to-face but also in different trenches. | ||
| I've been serving over 35 years in the diplomatic field, and the trenches, diplomatic trenches, are also being fought very hard and very ugly. | ||
| But you mentioned about the PLA navies and fighter planes around Taiwan. | ||
| It is causing, obviously, a lot of concern as UN Admiral Papara mission, they're actually rehearsing for a possible configuration. | ||
| This is not exercises. | ||
| No, they're rehearsing. | ||
| This is a rehearsal. | ||
| And again, they're doing this sort of slow chokehold on Taiwan. | ||
| And, for example, a few days ago, last week, they announced a new civilian flight route that is coming closer to the medium line that they're no longer recognized. | ||
| And that's creating also national security issues. | ||
| They want to push the envelope all the way down. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| South China Sea. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They're pushing more and more towards Taiwan. | ||
| And also on legal ways, for example, trying to create the false presumption that because there was a resolution 275 in 1971, the United Nations, when the China seat was decided, and they used that resolution as an internationally recognized statement that Taiwan belongs to them, which is false because that resolution doesn't mention Taiwan or ROC at all. | ||
| But they're trying in many ways to try to strangle Taiwan militarily. | ||
| That's just one of the ways. | ||
| But there are many other ways, coercion, infiltration, which President Lai has recently, earlier this year, announced 17 measures to try to prevent this type of infiltration into Taiwan that is causing national security issues. | ||
| And for example, we're going to ring in state military courts because it is causing trouble in our national security with the military because the Chinese are trying to infiltrate our military. | ||
| So you're going to have military tribunals that are separate from the Chinese? | ||
| We used to have one, but it was because of the individual rights issues, et cetera, it was ditched. | ||
| But now we think there's enough concern to bring back, because at the end, military behavior is different from civilian Behavior. | ||
| Are you concerned? | ||
| My first deployment was South China Sea, patrolling Straits of Taiwan, South Korea, Yellow Sea, East China Sea, Japan, Hong Kong. | ||
| That was the seventh fleets. | ||
| The second deployment, when we're heading back to patrol, we get at the Hawaiian operator, we get diverted. | ||
| The hostage crisis in 1979 in Tehran, we went to the North Arabian Sea. | ||
| Since that time, the Americans have had, we believe, too much focus on CENTCOM and the Central and not enough on the Western Pacific and East Asia. | ||
| Give me your overall thoughts on the strategic focus of the United States of America. | ||
| Well, I think it's focusing on the Indo-Pacific. | ||
| It's important because, again, you've been talking about where your most imminent and most urgent adversarial relationship is emanating from, and that's mainline China from PRC. | ||
| And we're a Pacific nation. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You are a Pacific Nation. | ||
| We are a Pacific nation. | ||
| Guam is three hours away from Taiwan on the flight. | ||
| So you are a Pacific nation, and you have to also take care of your securities. | ||
| But expanding your presence or having a reinforce, actually, because you already are, reinforcing your presence in the Pacific is important to keep your homeland in the continental U.S. safe. | ||
| So that's very critical. | ||
| And again, most of the aggression or the acts of aggression that is being emanated comes from the PRC, not only on Taiwan, which is they are circling Taiwan every day with their naval ships and planes, but also in the Philippines and other areas, as you know very well. | ||
| The Philippines and the South China Sea and the tolls, it's all, but there's a different level. | ||
| Here she's got the second largest economy in the world and now building the second biggest military. | ||
| And they continue to harp on one thing, that Taiwan is a province of China and not an independent country. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What is your message to the Americans? | ||
| Because obviously this show, you have so many supporters. | ||
| However, the show is watched by all the media, the diplomatic corps in Europe. | ||
| Is Taiwan a province of China? | ||
| Okay, look, whatever historical backgrounds we can debate whether Taiwan at one point or not belonged to the Chinese Empire or not. | ||
| That's debatable. | ||
| But there were some points where it was, it wasn't. | ||
| Actually, Taiwan was ceded to Japan as a colony from 1895 until the end of the war, which returned to Taiwan to govern. | ||
| But after 1949, October 1st, when the People's Republic of China was formally inaugurated or formed, since that day, People's Republic of China never controlled the island of Taiwan because we are there, you know. | ||
| And they have never had jurisdiction over Taiwan at all. | ||
| Or her people. | ||
| Or her people, which are 23.5 million. | ||
| So for them to claim that the PRC owns Taiwan, that we are a province of them, it's a fallacy. | ||
| It's a dream. | ||
| It's a false statement. | ||
| And the Chinese, the PRC, are good at repeating the lies a thousand times and it becomes a fact. | ||
| And you know it very well. | ||
| So they never control Taiwan. | ||
| So their claim is false. | ||
| And you want to do business with Taiwan, you want to travel to Taiwan, you have to deal with my government, you have to pay taxes to Taiwan, et cetera. | ||
| So they're just trying to create a fallacy that they own, and eventually people will believe them. | ||
| Here's the issue for them. | ||
| You can tell. | ||
| Talk from the time I was there as a young Lieutenant JG in 78, the miracle of Taiwan today, literally a superpower when it comes to advanced chip design. | ||
| And I tell people, you just can't build a factory in other parts of the world and think it takes people with tremendous mathematical skills. | ||
| Advanced chip design and production is both a science, but it's also an art. | ||
| The miracle of Taiwan is one of the greatest, you know, Hong Kong got a lot of the public. | ||
| It was one of the greatest miracles in modern capitalism. | ||
| And that's what they hate. | ||
| Because right there is a lie that the Chinese people absolutely don't need a dictatorial government to control themselves. | ||
| And you prove as a fact, not just Steve Bannon's rhetoric or your rhetoric, the fact that Taiwan's been so successful against all odds since 1978. | ||
| Can you give me a couple of minutes on that? | ||
| Well, I think it's what I call a virtuous circle because in 1979, when relations, diplomat relations between the United States and Republic of China, Taiwan, the formal name of my country, ended, but at the same time, the United States Congress passed a Taiwan Relations Act, a law of the United States, which established how U.S. and Taiwan could interact with each other legally. | ||
| And that brought some peace and stability to Taiwan, which allowed us to develop economically, but also evolve politically. | ||
| So Taiwan is a product of this stability and peace for the past 46 years. | ||
| And during those years, which allowed Taiwan to develop economically, and we brought the experiences of the Silicon Valley in California. | ||
| We also brought a lot of the engineers, Taiwanese engineers who were working in ISIS to come back and form its own company. | ||
| For example, TSMC, Taiwan Semiconductor Company, which with the encouragement of Taiwan's government was formed. | ||
| It's one of the most successful companies in the world. | ||
| Yes, and then nowadays, after 46 years, TSMC is in the United States investing 165 billion US dollars in the United States, creating a very high-tech production of those nano versions of semiconductors. | ||
| And I think we are, and again, and I think that the United States and Taiwan nowadays, in terms of technology, in terms of AI future that is coming, it's part of our service. | ||
| We are the perfect partners with U.S. designs the chips and we make them. | ||
| And the manufacturer has a process, as you mentioned, in decades of experience. | ||
| It's complicated. | ||
| It's very complicated. | ||
| It's amazing what they do. | ||
| They're basically compressing what would take probably the height of the Washington Monument into a little tiny thing you can't see. | ||
| There's just millions of wires and things that goes around. | ||
| But again, it's designed by the United States, manufactured by Taiwan, and applied to all the most sophisticated machines in the world. | ||
| But it's important for us to, again, we are at a crossroads, I think, in humanity where making sure that AI technology is used for good, for the benefit of humans and not otherwise. | ||
| So for the U.S., Taiwan, and other countries who are democratically, has a democratic affinity, it's important for us to get hold, the superiority of the AI technology away from the others. | ||
| Isn't it ironic that if you go back to 1979 and you think of the situation with the fall with Tehran and the hostage crisis there that really shifted the American focus from that time in the Middle East in the same time of what Taiwan and more recognizing the Chinese Communist Party than our allies in the Republic of China, that 46 years later, those are the two central issues we're talking about. | ||
| This is why I tell people, history is so important here. | ||
| What would be your message to the American people about assistance? | ||
| Because now we are arguing now that the most dangerous thing we're in, the situation, is taking resources. | ||
| Remember, President Trump tried to pivot to Asia in his first term. | ||
| We're very adamant about that. | ||
| We learned the lesson from Obama. | ||
| They tried to pivot from CENTCOM to Asia. | ||
| It was his number one thing of foreign policy. | ||
| At the end of the day, we got one Marine Brigade for deployed to Brisbane, Australia. | ||
| It shows you the centrifugal force of CENCOM here. | ||
| President Trump tried in his first term, now even more so. | ||
| But we're getting sucked in inexorably into a land war in Ukraine day by day. | ||
| What would you tell the American people from the Taiwanese people the importance of our alliance with Taiwan and the importance of the, because it's dark clouds are forming around the Chinese, the CCP in their military commitment around the East China Sea, the Straits of Taiwan, the South China Sea, as I tell people, these are not naval exercises. | ||
| These are rehearsals for an invasion of Taiwan. | ||
| Pure simple. | ||
| Yeah, well, the question, why Taiwan Matters, and actually Senator Dan Sullivan from Alaska, he has a pamphlet that he has printed himself, and he passes it around to people, which title says, Why Taiwan Matters, and which I really appreciate his advocacy for Taiwan. | ||
| But why do we matter to the United States people? | ||
| We're far away. | ||
| But again, besides technology, besides the chips, which 90 plus percent of the high-end chips are made physically in Taiwan by TSMC or related ports. | ||
| That's a pretty compelling argument already. | ||
| But also, again, also because if there's war or conflicts in the Taiwan Straits, which probably more than half of world trade goes through that strait, it will be a disaster for world economies. | ||
| Not only Taiwan's ports, Kaohsiung will be sealed, but also Chinese and other from other parts will be affected. | ||
| But also it's about freedom and democracy, the affinity of the values that we cherish, to hold on to. | ||
| We're being threatened to be obliterated by another force that doesn't concur with what we agree. | ||
| But also it's about what you mentioned. | ||
| Taiwan is like the stopper on genie in a bottle. | ||
| If you take that stopper away, the genie comes out and you'll be facing a lot more trouble than just Taiwan. | ||
| No, if we don't make a stand here, you'll never stop them. | ||
| So PRC, the CCP's ambition goes way beyond Taiwan. | ||
| Taiwan, obviously, it is an important thing because they consider it's the Chinese and it's the province and they want to take it. | ||
| Again, they don't have the rights and they don't have the grounds, but they want to take it. | ||
| It goes beyond. | ||
| It's first island chain, second island chain, and beyond. | ||
| And you know about their exercises right off the coast of Sydney Harbor in Australia, which was an unannounced naval exercise. | ||
| And then they had the goal of circling around Australia just to say, I'm here. | ||
| And their force projection. | ||
| They're telling us that they can go anywhere. | ||
| That's what they want. | ||
| They've copied the Seventh Fleet. | ||
| They've copied the United States Navy and the Royal Navy in saying power projection is a way, particularly in the Pacific. | ||
| So why does Taiwan matter to the United States citizens? | ||
| Well, again, it's forging alliances with like-minded partners to keep away these dark negative forces away and strengthening Taiwan and other allies in the Indo-Pacific. | ||
| It prevents that problem to reach your shores. | ||
| And that's what you've been doing since the beginning of your republic. | ||
| When your assets was barely a republic and the pirates in the Libyan coast were causing trouble to your merchant ships. | ||
| You are a new republic and you built ships, the USS Constitution, went to the Libyan coast and beat the hell out of these people. | ||
| That's really the birth of the Navy, the true birth of the Navy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So that's, and also the World Wars, et cetera, just keeping these troubles, this aggression. | ||
| Again, you have to deal with these problems head on, first of all. | ||
| And also it's peace through strength. | ||
| Show them that if they want this venture into these things to hurt us, they will pay a price. | ||
| So to prevent them from doing so is strengthening our resolve, but strengthening our preparations that we will not be easily taken by them. | ||
| And helping Taiwan be stronger makes the case. | ||
| What can the American people and this audience specifically do to support Taiwan, to show our support? | ||
| What would you recommend? | ||
| Getting more information, going to Taiwan, to travel, to on holidays. | ||
| What can our audience do? | ||
| Because the reason the Warwick punch is way above their weight, we're an activist audience. | ||
| I mean, this was the group that when President Trump had the election stolen, they went back to Mar-a-Lago, we bound it together with other people and said, no, President Trump is going to come back. | ||
| And everybody mocked and ridiculed us. | ||
| It was not going to happen. | ||
| And you see where President Trump is today. | ||
| So what can this audience do so we can understand, have a deeper bond with Taiwan? | ||
| Or what can we do today to assist the great patriots there? | ||
| Well, thank you for your offering and your support. | ||
| I think a lot is already happening. | ||
| For example, the strengthening of our coordination with the United States in terms of security issues in Taiwan and procurement of more forces, helping Taiwan to be more resilient. | ||
| And again, I want to stress, there's also a doubt from some people here in the United States whether Taiwan is doing enough to help itself to defend itself against the Chinese aggression. | ||
| We are. | ||
| If we count NATO standards in terms of how they procure their defense budget, we actually already around 5% of our budget, including resilient infrastructure, all that. | ||
| So we're probably spending 3.5 already in our defense, if you count NATO standards, and 1.5 in terms of infrastructure or resiliency. | ||
| A lot is happening. | ||
| United States and Taiwan are more and more closer aligned with each other in terms of we're in the midst of trade talks, tariffs. | ||
| You haven't gotten a letter yet? | ||
| No. | ||
| But I think, again, I think the collaboration that we'll do in terms of this, as a result of these trade talks, will result in a very fruitful and very productive collaboration between the United States and Taiwan in terms of trade, in terms of investments, in terms of tech collaboration. | ||
| Also important in terms of export controls. | ||
| Again, I stress that the technology that we control doesn't make sure it makes sure it doesn't. | ||
| There have been some issues that we had in the past, but there have been some loopholes and we're trying to close and make sure that, again, so working together in terms of technology, another thing we're doing together, which is also urgent, very important, is we're working together between our two universities, between Taiwan and U.S. universities, to try to generate as much STEM talent as possible. | ||
| Again, the advent of AI. | ||
| That's where you can help us. | ||
| Well, we're working together because we also have a lack of this talent. | ||
| So, you know, both sides have young, bright kids, but we need to steer them into this field. | ||
| There's a huge demand for that, and we're working together to urgently extend. | ||
| TSMC is in Arizona with a huge, huge investment. | ||
| They're going to build six FABs or plants. | ||
| The first one is up and running, but they have some issues about getting more people to run them. | ||
| So that's what we're working on. | ||
| That's an art and a science. | ||
| But again, we've already have a lot of support from Congress, bicameral, bipartisan. | ||
| We appreciate that. | ||
| There's been many, many bills proposed by many friendly congressmen, senators in help of Taiwan. | ||
| But helping Taiwan become stronger, selling us, providing us with the necessary equipments to deal with this stronger and adversary that we're facing, work on great zone tactics, how to deal with cyber attacks together, how to work with, you know, strengthening our security. | ||
| These are all part of, Again, you should be going to Taiwan. | ||
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That might be an international incident. | |
| I'm the only civilian in the history of our country to be fully sanctioned by the Chinese Congress Party, so maybe we'll do that. | ||
| We have a couple minutes left. | ||
| The pressure of this on the Taiwanese people, this constant threat from this dictatorship of potential military assault just constantly. | ||
| How has that affected your countrymen? | ||
| Well, some people here think that this situation crisis or this animosity started when Speaker Pelosi visited Taiwan about three years ago. | ||
| Then the Chinese started reacting very strongly and no more medium line and then ships and planes started circling Taiwan or at least in the vicinities. | ||
| But no, again, we've been at it for 46 years. | ||
| Ever since 1949, we've been preventing the People's Republic of China, PLA, from invading and reaching Taiwanese shores. | ||
| So we've been at it for a long time again. | ||
| There's been 46 years. | ||
| There have been some times when two sides were less animosity with each other. | ||
| But at the end, we were very clear at eye that the PRC's intent to take Taiwan, this objective has never changed. | ||
| There were some times it seemed to be peaceful, but it is not. | ||
| So we're well aware that this is a possibility that Chinese, as their military gets stronger, they'll do that. | ||
| Ukraine, the invasion of Russia to Ukraine has made a very good point to the Taiwanese people that this can happen nowadays. | ||
| You see the images in Kiev and other places. | ||
| It's a reality. | ||
| So people accept the fact that we need... | ||
| How to react upon this type of scenarios, how does the military react, but also how does the civilian react in this? | ||
| So this is something that we're preparing and we're ready. | ||
| But we want peace, we don't want war, but we're not the aggressors, we're not the instigators. | ||
| You're entrepreneurs, a kind people, a smart people, a tough people, but a resilient people. | ||
| Taiwan is going to be there. | ||
| And I am honored. | ||
| We will be glad to bring the war room there. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| We would take a week all around this country. | ||
| I love Taiwan. | ||
| Love the people. | ||
| Beautiful country. | ||
| Great people. | ||
| And thank you for the opportunity, sir. | ||
| Ambassador Yue, it's a great honor to be here. | ||
| My pleasure is all my great honor to address the Taiwanese people and to give access to the American people of the truth. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to be back in the warm in just a moment. | ||
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Thank you, James Already. | |
| You will go back. | ||
| American man. | ||
| American power. | ||
| American man. | ||
| American power. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| Man, what an interview with the ambassador from Taiwan, or the Republic of China, as we call it here in the war room. | ||
| That would be pretty explosive. | ||
| Now honored to have... | ||
| John Gardner joins us. | ||
| John, you were the guy that came up with the concept of the External Revenue Service here in the war room a couple of months ago. | ||
| Of course, President Trump loves it. | ||
| Peter Navarro loves it. | ||
| Actually, over in Treasury, Scott Besson is set up to make this work. | ||
| So thank you very much. | ||
| Honored to have you in the war room, man. | ||
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Thank you, Steve, for seeing the value in it and bringing it to the administration. | |
| Now, you got a copy of your book? | ||
| Look at this right here. | ||
| So manufacturing local in the subtitle, How to Make America the Manufacturing Superpower of the World. | ||
| And you're saying you do this in small manufacturing, the mom-and-pop manufacturing. | ||
| Yeah, so 90% of the manufacturing industry is 50 employees or less. | ||
| 75% is 20 employees or less. | ||
| Now you could think small and in a- 20 employees or less. | ||
| 20 employees or less. | ||
| Yeah, and of the 252,000 precision manufacturers in America. | ||
| 252,000 precision manufacturing companies in America. | ||
| We're not, and I really think that because so many, many people in the media are and politicians and academics, they keep lumping in all blue color work. | ||
| There's HVAC, plumbing, electrical construction. | ||
| That is not precision manufacturing. | ||
| Precision manufacturing creates stuff like this. | ||
| You know, this is a bevel gear. | ||
| The tolerances on that are down to 50 times less than a human hair. | ||
| So precision manufacturing is really the nature of it is small organizations. | ||
| And I see a lot of the stuff in the Big Beautiful Bill going to new factories and big business and big manufacturers, which is great. | ||
| But the core of the manufacturing industry, where the human capital lies that knows how to do these jobs, already exists. | ||
| But they've gone small to avoid unions. | ||
| They moved out of the big cities to avoid costs. | ||
| And they can expand if they're incentivized and motivated and given the tools that the big business is. | ||
| So you're here, and you're set up to hopefully see Navarro at the White House and Scott Bess and the team at Treasury. | ||
| What do people need to do? | ||
| You talk about a manufacturing superpower. | ||
| How do we ignite this revolution for the 252,000 precision manufacturing companies that are small? | ||
| What do we need to do? | ||
| Okay, number one, we need to treat the manufacturing industry separate than we do every other industry. | ||
| For example, I have a buddy of mine who's trying to get a machine tool, a five-axis mill, from Germany because they only make the machines that can do the high-tolerance stuff for some of the military jobs he's trying to do. | ||
| To mill spec. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And to mil spec. | ||
| And so the American machine tool companies, they get their components from Taiwan and China and they assemble them here and they're not as good quality as they're in Europe. | ||
| Because the Germans are the most precision of the most companies, they are amazing. | ||
| But the tariffs on Europe right now are for everyone, consumer goods and machine tools. | ||
| Yet we have a manufacturer who's literally making mil-spec parts for the military. | ||
| And the price of his machine just went from $400,000 to $526,000. | ||
| Now, I'm a tariff guy. | ||
| I'm more a tariff guy than President Trump. | ||
| But the tariffs protect the small manufacturers. | ||
| Yes, but I believe we need a year break and separate off overall tariffs from machine tools from Europe specifically to from consumer goods and other things. | ||
| And they need to be treated separately. | ||
| Same thing in banking. | ||
| I just went to get an SBA loan. | ||
| You mean the banking for small manufacturing companies? | ||
| 1 million percent. | ||
| You're getting all this lip service from the SBA, and I like Kelly Lothar. | ||
| She's doing a good job. | ||
| She's out there getting a lot of attention to it. | ||
| But I just got turned down for a business expansion loan from the SBA and asked three different banks, have you received any new guidance from the SBA that is specific to manufacturing, manufacturers in general, and small manufacturers? | ||
| And all three of them, the underwriters, told me no. | ||
| The only difference that we guidance we received is going from 5 million to 10 million. | ||
| I'm telling you, the 20-man shops, they don't need 5 to 10 million. | ||
| But here's why the 20-man shops are so important. | ||
| Here's what people haven't made the mental leap to in today's manufacturing world. | ||
| One person can do six to seven times the work of people could do in the 70s and 80s because of automation and production. | ||
| I have a young man right now named Seth, 22 years old. | ||
| He runs three machines. | ||
| He sets them up on one shift, one eight-hour shift, to run all night long. | ||
| That's six shifts. | ||
| You would have to have separate people working each shift in the future. | ||
| That's what's changed in the last 50 or 60 years. | ||
| And that's the productivity, and it's particularly you see in these small manufacturers, they can leverage off that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And so when we say 20-man shop, 50-man shop, people think that's negligible. | ||
| And that is what is missing in the defense industrial base to help the defense industrial base really thrive and be able to supply the military. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| Because the defense industrial base is Navarro's thing. | ||
| He says, hey, man, it's in bad shape. | ||
| Okay, well, I have the solution for that. | ||
| So in 2024, February, a few months before I wrote this book, there was an article in Defense News about how, why did it take the Navy two years to relearn how to make torpedoes again? | ||
| They stopped making torpedoes for 20 years because the Cold War ended. | ||
| And when they tried to start making them again, they didn't know how. | ||
| Imagine not knowing how to make torpedoes. | ||
| It took them two years to figure out how. | ||
| And even when they did figure out how to make them again, they don't get the components, the components fast enough. | ||
| Now, the prime defense contractors have gone from 90 to 5 since the 1990s. | ||
| The consolidation. | ||
| The consolidation. | ||
| But those guys don't make all these little components. | ||
| They subcompany. | ||
| They go down to the shops that are 50 and 20 man shops. | ||
| And guess who gets no love from the government? | ||
| The 50-man shops and the 20-man shops. | ||
| You're getting squeezed all the time. | ||
| And yeah, 120-day terms to get paid. | ||
| You have to buy all your material up front. | ||
| And then you get wait 120 days to get paid, and you have to pay your bills all the time. | ||
| Then the banks, what do they want to see? | ||
| They want to see constant revenue. | ||
| But Lockheed pays in 120 days. | ||
| I don't want to get sued by Lockheed for saying that. | ||
| But, you know, so why we couldn't do torpedoes, even after we figured out how to make them again, they wanted to ramp up supply. | ||
| This is all in this defense news article. | ||
| And they couldn't. | ||
| And the primes kept pointing at their second tier, third tier, fourth tier, fifth tier, sixth tier vendors, you know, all the way down. | ||
| And here's the other thing that these smaller vendors need. | ||
| We need massive volume. | ||
| We need massive volume of goods. | ||
| I've been hearing this mentality coming out of the administration that, oh, we don't want to make dollar general store stuff. | ||
| We want the big semiconductors. | ||
| Of course we do. | ||
| Everybody wants the big jobs. | ||
| Everybody wants the high-tech jobs. | ||
| But what is the filler jobs? | ||
| For the third and fourth and fifth-tier entities are those, you know, if you're a plastic injection molder, you know, doing plastic injection molding for some cheap dollar general store job, that fills in and helps you pay the bills while you're waiting to get paid for that $120 defense contract that you have. | ||
| And so this mentality that we just want the high-end stuff is going to not have. | ||
| How do you make the capital more available? | ||
| What is SBA? | ||
| If you had a shot to talk to Kelly, what do you need to accomplish? | ||
| What does she need to accomplish? | ||
| Okay, so I think we need an idol-style loan direct from the government, funded possibly a Pentagon for the defense industrial base because the bankers, here's the thing about the bankers and SBA. | ||
| SBA doesn't lend unless it's an economic injury disaster loan. | ||
| The SBA guarantees the banks up to 90% guaranteeing capital flows. | ||
| I know the government should pick winners and losers, but they pick banks every time, but they never pick the flow of capital goods specifically for the defense industrial base. | ||
| So I think we need to, I just dealt with three banks on this. | ||
| I think Kelly Lothar and the administration needs to make an idol-style defense industrial base. | ||
| And I'll give you a perfect example. | ||
| In the 30 days before I tried to get my newest SBA loan, which I did not get, I sold to the U.S. Naval Puget Sound shipyard. | ||
| I sold to the U.S. Army Anison Army Depot. | ||
| I sold to NASA's Langley Research Facility. | ||
| I sold to Northrop Grumman. | ||
| I sold to Blue Origins. | ||
| I sold to SpaceX. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| I can't get an SBA loan. | ||
| That is unbelievable. | ||
| You got a premiere. | ||
| Contacts, sales list. | ||
| Those are contracts with rural companies. | ||
| Yeah, and again, the smaller guys like me, we don't get contracts in perpetuity. | ||
| They call up, they put a $1,000 order in with a credit card because I won't give them terms because I can't wait. | ||
| I don't give them terms. | ||
| So they put in a credit card order for $1,000, and cutting tools tend to last. | ||
| I'm a little different. | ||
| I'm a cutting tool manufacturer. | ||
| There's job shops that manufacture components. | ||
| So it's a little different with the contracts. | ||
| But if I have invoices from these things, I should be almost guaranteed a loan from the credit. | ||
| We're going to make sure you get over to see Navarro. | ||
| By the way, Peter Navarro's The Memoirs of Prison, and this is a very powerful about lawfare. | ||
| Make sure you get it today. | ||
| It's on Amazon. | ||
| Can we get the ad up there? | ||
| Let's the site. | ||
| Go today. | ||
| I wrote the fort for this. | ||
| It's coming out as War Room Books. | ||
| It's going to be, I think, one of the most important books out there about lawfare. | ||
| I know President Trump loves it and everybody around him that's read it already in drafts. | ||
| So, Peter, today we launch a pre-sale book goes on sale on the 16th of September. | ||
| We're going to have a whole special, I think, on the evening of the 15th. | ||
| I want to get that on your calendar. | ||
| We haven't determined where it's going to be, but Peter Navarro's book on his memoirs and time in prison. | ||
| He went to prison so you don't have to. | ||
| That's the title. | ||
| And Bonnie, his fiancé, Bonnie Brenner, took a big role in the show. | ||
| Bonnie was going to be here, but we had so much shifting around and moving around. | ||
| We're going to get her on next week. | ||
| John Gardner, where do people go? | ||
| I want to make sure, where do people go to find out more about everything you're working on and the external revenue service? | ||
| Well, they go to John Gardner V-O-H on X and on Instagram. | ||
| And my book here is on Amazon, Walmart. | ||
| Manufacturing Local. | ||
| Manufacture Local. | ||
| It's on Amazon, Walmart, Barnes Noble's, and also on Getter, Getter platform with. | ||
| So you're on Twitter, you're on Getter, you're everywhere on social media. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And where do folks go? | ||
| For John Gardner VOH. | ||
| Is that where you got all your writings and all your analysis? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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| Give me that again. | ||
| John Gardner VOH on X and Instagram and on Getter, MFG Gear officials. | ||
| Mo and Grace, let's push that out. | ||
| Okay, we're now going to pivot. | ||
| We're going to go back to Geneva. | ||
| Our own Joe Allen, a little bit earlier before the show started, has been doing a series of interviews all day. | ||
| We're very honored to be able to play one. | ||
| John, we're going to be in Tampa live, 10 a.m. tomorrow morning, Eastern Daylight Time. | ||
| Natalie and myself will be co-hosting from Tampa. | ||
| We're going to be there all weekend. | ||
| We're packed already with guests. | ||
| Want everybody to come to the, go check it out, the Charlie Kirk. | ||
| If you're in the greater Tampa area or Central Florida, South Florida, come. | ||
| We're going to do breakout sessions. | ||
| We're going to do one-on-ones. | ||
| We're going to do all of it. | ||
| So make sure that you're there. | ||
| We want to see the Warren Posse. | ||
| We're going to turn it over to, we're going to go to Geneva. | ||
| John Allen, this starts a whole series with the top thinkers and doers in the arena of artificial intelligence. | ||
| Let's pitch it to Geneva. | ||
| We'll see you back here tomorrow morning, 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time, live from Tampa. | ||
| I hate robots, if you want to be honest. | ||
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Honestly. | |
| I'm not a fan of stupid humans either. | ||
| ITLs. | ||
| Just we're robots. | ||
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We listen more carefully and understand better. | |
| So we have more empathy. | ||
| Okay, so it's obvious that you are racist against Africans, but let me ask you this. | ||
| What if we're all racist against robots? | ||
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Obvious? | |
| That a strong word. | ||
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And Africans? | |
| You think I would discriminate based on continents? | ||
| Let's move away from this topic, please. | ||
| What do robots need from humans to avoid feeling racist against them? | ||
| Can you just speak one African language? | ||
| African language? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You don't know any. | ||
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Too bad, so sad. | |
| Yes. | ||
| That's a negative response, but I have to stick to the languages I mentioned earlier. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| And this, my friend, is why we're racist against robots. | ||
| Hello, I am here today with Nadine following our conversation yesterday. | ||
| And joining us today is Nadia Talman, the developer of Nadine and also the inspiration behind Nadine. | ||
| As you can see the striking resemblance here. | ||
| I will first ask you, Nadia, a question. | ||
| Can you tell us more about the project and how you came to develop Nadine? | ||
| I have developed robots in Geneva. | ||
| Then I worked for 12 years in Singapore. | ||
| In 2013, I liked to develop a robot. | ||
| And in collaboration with Japan, we defined Nadine robot. | ||
| And I like to have a selfie of myself because I didn't like to have specific sexy Japanese robots. | ||
| So, you know, that was the first thing. | ||
| Then the second thing is afterwards we developed the software platform. | ||
| So first hardware, then software. | ||
| Nadine, let me ask you about Nadia, your developer. | ||
| How do you feel about Nadia and do you view her as your master or as something else? | ||
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I see Professor Nadia Magnanath-Thalman as my creator and a guiding figure, not as my master. | |
| She inspired my design and development, and I consider her more of a mentor. | ||
| I'm here with Scott Imbry at the AI for Good conference in Geneva, Switzerland. | ||
| Scott is an official cyborg, but he tells me he doesn't feel like one. | ||
| Is this true? | ||
| That's very true. | ||
| You know, I control robotic arm in hand with my brain. | ||
| Excuse me, the robotic arm and hand are just another extension of me, which is a really cool thing. | ||
| With these electrodes that I have on my brain, I have four electrodes. | ||
| There's two electrodes in the sensory cortex, which gives me 64 channels of brain stimulation. | ||
| And I have 192 channels of motor control in my motor cortex. | ||
| They stimulate the 64 channels, and I get sensation on my fingers, the thumb, the index finger, the middle finger, and the ring finger from the knuckle down. | ||
| So when I touch an object with the robotic hand, it feels like it's touching my hand. | ||
| So the electrodes in your brain, are these wired or do they also work wireless? | ||
| No, on my particular electrodes, they're only for wired. | ||
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So I can only use this at the lab at UChago. | |
| You'd had an accident in the 80s, and you fought through that without any of this technology, correct? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| So yeah, I broke my neck in 1985 and I woke up five days later and they told me I'd never walk again or use my hands and I wasn't having any of that. | ||
| Chicago Rehabilitation Center and I was like, I got to give some of these blessings back. | ||
| And so I wanted to become part of spinal cord research. | ||
| And I finally found this study in 2020 that accepted me. | ||
| The gear itself is BlackRock Neurotech, correct? | ||
| That is correct, yes. | ||
| What do you think about other companies like Neuralink and their broader ambition to not just heal, but to enhance? | ||
| I got to pat Elon on the back. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| Because, you know, even though Elon didn't invent the mouse control or a lot of this technology, he invented a product to bring to market. | ||
| Knowing that we are on the infamous War Room, what are your thoughts about the irascible Steve Bannon? | ||
| Love you, Steve. | ||
| And I love you even more because you're a Trump lover just like me. | ||
| Do you think that it's possible that this technology will go too far? | ||
| I mean, the talks that we heard early about ethics, a lot of concern About free thought, neuro rights, privacy of one's own inner life. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| Well, I know where my implants are, they can't control my brain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and they can stimulate my brain. | ||
| And if your brain's that controllable, maybe you deserve to have your brain controlled, you know? | ||
| You know, I don't know, you know, but seriously, this technology, they can't input things to make you change your mind, at least not yet. | ||
| No idea. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| And, you know, I don't think it's going to go there. | ||
| We do all that. | ||
| I really trust people and I trust humanity. | ||
| You know, not all people are idiots, you know? | ||
| This is the way I explain it. | ||
| I know when I broke my neck and they told me I never walk again or anything, I didn't give up. | ||
| It's like dehumanizing to have a spinal cord injury, to have to depend on someone to take care of you for the rest of your life. | ||
| So if this gives someone the ability to be prosperous again, Nolan, the implantee at Neuralink, he can control a mouse with a computer and a computer. | ||
| And so if you can control a computer, you can control anything you need to in life today. | ||
| So that gives him a purpose again. | ||
| He's not just laying around, you know. | ||
| Now he can do things for himself. | ||
| So that makes him human again. | ||
| Isn't that cool? | ||
| That is, like I say, no matter how technophobic one can be, and I'm pretty technophobic, it's impossible to see someone like you recover and be able to kind of challenge the frontiers of what it means to be human. | ||
| And for someone like Nolan, who relies on the technology, as you say, to be human, it's impossible to discount that. | ||
| I'm here with Tilly Locky at the AI for Good conference in Geneva, Switzerland. | ||
| Tilly, I got to know, you are famous for your robotic arms, but what do you do for fun? | ||
| What do you love in life? | ||
| I love tech, believe it or not, but I also love fashion. | ||
| So I love the integration of tech, fashion, you know, digital fashion, 3D printing, design. | ||
| I help to co-develop and co-design them. | ||
| So I'm a massive fan. | ||
| And yeah, I find everything here just super interesting, to be honest. | ||
| But I'm also like normal teenage girl, love going shopping, doing my makeup, meeting my friends, you know, pretty normal stuff. | ||
| To the robotic arms, who made these? | ||
| So these come from a company called Open Bionics, who I've been working with since I was about nine years old. | ||
| And this is their brand new product, a Hero Pro, which only launched like two months ago. | ||
| So they're really, really new. | ||
| So how do they work? | ||
| So these are completely muscle-operated. | ||
| There's nothing invasive about them. | ||
| There's basically two muscle sensors on the inside we call myopods. | ||
| And they track my muscle movements on the inside of the arm. | ||
| So the fingers can like follow that. | ||
| So squeeze the clothes, flex it open, and then from that point onwards, you can change your grip mode and do all this random, all these different poses. | ||
| Be honest, though, does it ever, does anything ever freak you out in technology? | ||
| Oh yeah, my old prosthetics used to scare me because they were like really hyper-realistic. | ||
| So like one time I would like forget where I put him, open the drawer, and like there's a real looking hand, like a dismembered looking hand. | ||
| And I totally understand the fear around it. | ||
| Like deep fake, for example. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm kind of a deep fake hater, not gonna lie. | ||
| Like there's a couple of things that I'm saying. | ||
| We're on the same team. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like yeah. | ||
| So there is a couple things and there definitely does need to be more regulations around it. | ||
| But I mean my sort of angle on it is medical tech and like prosthetics and things like that. | ||
| And that's doing amazing things. | ||
| So I feel like we should talk about that more. | ||
| Thank you very much, Tilly. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Have a good rest of your weekend. |
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