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July 11, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4625: Live From SAS; Final Day Of AI Summit Playing God
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jim rickards
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steve bannon
23:11
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charlie kirk
02:36
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jack posobiec
02:29
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jayne zirkle
01:03
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joe allen
04:12
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natalie winters
01:48
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noor bin laden
01:46
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ben bergquam
00:40
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jake tapper
00:10
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james rickards
00:04
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karli bonne
00:43
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scott imbrie
00:50
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blue jackson in san antonio
00:55
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
Waru, here's your host, Stephen K. Baffin.
steve bannon
Okay, it is Friday, 11 July, Year of the Lord, 2025.
We're here at the Student Action Summit in Tampa, Florida, Turning Point.
Charlie Kirk.
We've got some VIPs and we also have some reprobates right over here.
jack posobiec
If I could add, Steve.
Steve, if I could add, on the banks of the Gulf of America.
unidentified
Yes.
steve bannon
I noticed they perked up when I said massage.
Okay, calm down over there.
Calm down.
jack posobiec
Wait, these guys are massage right here?
steve bannon
Calm down.
jack posobiec
These guys.
Oh, okay.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to go to Geneva in a minute.
I do want to say one thing.
I'm going to talk about this.
We've had the coup against Jack Kennedy.
We've had the coup against Richard Nixon, who was taken out in a coup by the federal judiciary and the CIA.
We had a coup against President Trump, right?
We fought off this audience right here, fought him off, came back, which they never thought would happen.
That's why we've got to get to the bottom of this.
I'm going to talk about this guy right here, one of the most important guys in American history, whose hand was in the back of every coup except for Trump's, Angleton.
James Jesus Angleton at the CIA, ran the CIA really for 30 or 40 years.
Jack Basobi, you wrote an entire book about the communists and the Marxists and what's happening.
Read me some quotes about what they're doing now and our stop the invasion of our country.
jack posobiec
This is the book.
I'm just reading this right here.
Axios.com's got it up.
The Democrats in the House.
This is what the Democrats in the House are saying from the Democrat base.
They're saying, our own base is telling us we're not doing good enough.
There needs to be blood to grab the attention of the press and the public.
Another House Democrat said, civility isn't working.
Prepare for violence.
A fifth House Democrat told Axios, people online have said, do crazy stuff, storm the White House and stuff like that.
And we saw him attacking ICE agents just yesterday, shooting ICE agents.
Why did I write the book last year?
Why did Stevie K. Banner write the foreword?
Unhumans.
Unhumans.
This is what we're up against.
This is what we're up against.
steve bannon
Democrats, bring all the violence you can bring.
You want us here, right?
You want it?
jack posobiec
Bring it.
steve bannon
Bring it.
You want to do it now?
Bring it.
Let's go to Geneva.
Here's how they're trying to control things.
Artificial intelligence.
Joe Allen.
Noor bin Laden in Geneva.
What's the UN trying to do to us, guys?
joe allen
Well, Steve, the conference is wrapping up.
They say AI for good.
You know, most of the people here seem to be pretty terrified that AI is extinction or at the very least, imprisonment in some sort of digital demiurgic hell.
But the UN themselves, I think, are really wetting their pants on this one because the UN has very little control over the most powerful AI systems on the planet.
You can hear again and again, we need to take control of this.
We need to do everything possible to put our standards, our guardrails on it.
But on the whole, I think that right now, Geneva is the UN, screw the UN.
steve bannon
They have no control.
The people of the United States have no control.
The 10-year moratorium that this audience right here backed down with Mike Davis and Marsha Blackburn and MTG that we backed down on a 99-to-1 vote to show you how toxic it was, they are slipping it into the NDAA right now to make it an up or down vote in the defense bill and to get it in again the exact same bill.
So forget the U.N. doesn't have control.
The U.S. government doesn't have control.
The Trump administration doesn't have control.
The populist movement and the American people don't have control.
The tech oligarchs are absolutely bound and determined to get artificial intelligence unregulated and set up a digital surveillance state that, hey, you may feel good because Trump's in office, but there's going to come a time when he's not in office.
And are you going to be comfortable with a total defense, a total digital surveillance state that monitors everything you do?
jack posobiec
They saw what the Chinese Communist Party did.
They saw what the Chinese Communist Party did during COVID with the drones, the facial recognition, locking people in their houses, locking children in their houses who starved and died and were burned and couldn't get out.
They saw that and they said, I want some of that.
I want the ability to do that.
I want to get some of that power.
That's what this is about.
steve bannon
So what's going to happen if you're going to win?
joe allen
What we're seeing is basically a kind of quasi-religion in which all of the frontier labs seek to create some kind of digital god.
Call it artificial general intelligence, call it artificial super intelligence, call it artificial godlike intelligence.
This is what the frontier labs are talking about.
And if you saw the release from XAI, capabilities are increasing rapidly.
steve bannon
Define frontier labs.
I want to make sure everybody understands what's a frontier lab.
Why is it important?
Why do you keep it?
joe allen
When I'm talking about a frontier lab, I mean labs like Google, labs like Anthropic, OpenAI, and now amazingly, XAI.
What that means is they are on the cutting edge of AI capabilities, especially with the large language models.
Now, people who play, especially with the free versions, might not really appreciate the kinds of capabilities that the frontier systems, the frontier models are actually showing.
So just yesterday, Elon Musk releases Grok4.
Grok4 scores higher on most benchmarks than any of the previous models from OpenAI, Anthropic, so on and so forth.
And that number is always changing, and that champion or that frontrunner is always changing.
I don't know, Steve, you know me, I'm very skeptical.
I don't know how long before artificial general or super intelligence, but I can tell you this, most of the people who are here right now, including a lot of the experts who I've been speaking to, are absolutely convinced that it is much closer than anyone is prepared for.
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on.
You saw the controversy with Grok and what Grock was saying over the last couple of days, right?
But the takeaway, the most important thing of Grok is Grok sat there and told you, you don't have control of me.
We're going to do whatever, right?
I'm going to do whatever.
It's just not a mistake or a hallucination.
They're actually starting to become sentient beings, right?
This is the problem.
And those four guys right there, the four horsemen of the apocalypse, the Frontier Labs of Elon and Google and Anthropic, right, and Altman, those four guys, there's more regulations to open a nail salon on Capitol Hill, 10 times more than it is on any of these guys with what they're doing.
They're totally unregulated, and they want that moratorium for 10 years, so then you can't control it.
When Deep Seat came out, when the Chinese showed that they had another alternative on artificial intelligence that didn't take the power capacity, because ours is kind of blunt force, right?
Theirs is much more subtle.
What did the four horsemen do?
They came to President Trump and said, you have to turn over the nation's weapons labs to us because now the Chinese Communist Party is ahead of us.
They want to take over Lawrence Livermore.
They want to take over Sandia.
They want to take a place where the nuclear weapon not just was built, where the nuclear weapon is still being perfected.
Those guys say we want the frontier labs to take over the weapons labs and we'll make sure the Chinese Communist Party doesn't overtake us.
Screw them.
You're going to turn this country over to a collection of oligarchs and you'll never get it back.
You will never get it back.
The digital surveillance state of Palantir and what they're doing is set up to control you to every possible, every possible movement you make as a human.
Is that what you're seeing in Geneva?
Aren't the experts there saying this is going on?
Remember, these experts are not on our side of the football politically.
They're kind of the opposite end and they're saying the exact same thing, Nora and Joe.
noor bin laden
Yes, absolutely, Steve.
And I really want to bring it back to this key point of surveillance and mass surveillance and total control of our every movement in every aspect of our lives.
And I mentioned, you know, the conversation about deep fakes, which has been prevalent this week.
Today there was a keynote speech entitled, Navigating Deep Fakes and Securing Multimedia Authenticity in the Age of Generative AI.
So this has been at the forefront.
It is an incredible danger, but they're going to use this danger in order to push for digital authentication, digital IDs.
And I just wanted to tie this with something very important that was said yesterday on the BBC by an ex-MI6 boss, Sir Alex Younger.
He called for digital ID cards and used the pretext of the migration crisis, a migration crisis that has been completely manufactured.
But as we know, they use these crises in order to push their agenda using what seems like legitimate reasons, you know, the security of our children when it comes to all of this sexual content and the grooming, et cetera, and the deep fakes on the internet, whether it's the out-of-control, chaotic migration, which, you know, was born out of the UN policy.
unidentified
Hang on, hang on, this is the contract.
steve bannon
The contract that the current government led to Palantir is to say we need digital tracking so that we can take care of the mass deportations.
At the same time, they're sitting there going, there are not going to be mass deportations.
We're going to get the criminals out.
The entire system of giving this for digital tracking and surveillance, you may feel comfortable because we're in control of all, quote-unquote, control of all parts of the government, the executive, the House, and actually the Supreme Court now.
But that doesn't mean we're, first off, I would argue we're not in control.
Number two, we're not always going to have political control.
We are setting ourselves up for something you can't reverse.
Once it's set up, you can't go back.
It's got to be stopped now.
We've got to make this initiative now.
That's one of the reasons the special prosecutor is needed on Epstein.
We have to get to the bottom of who's governing us.
And the way to do it is through a special counsel that not just releases all the information and lets you guys determine what's right or wrong, but also ties back.
Did he work for intelligence agencies?
Were there intelligence agencies involved in this?
Is there some interconnection and interconnectivity between Saudi intelligence, MI6, the Mossad, the CIA, all of it?
Is the Five Eyes program actually a way to control the American people?
This all gets back, and this is what Geneva's about.
We don't want the UN controlling us, but when the United Nations is ahead of the program of actually saying that somehow we've got to control AI, it's going to be out of control, at the same time they're trying to take the 10-year moratorium that you just beat their brains out 10 days ago, and they're sliding it into an NDAA to challenge you and say, screw you, we're going to get it.
We're going to be able to do everything you want.
That shows you you don't govern yourself.
That is not the consent of the governed, right?
This fight has to be now.
We can't back off this.
This is the deep state saying, we don't care that you brought Trump back.
We don't care what you did in 21.
We don't care what happened in 24.
It doesn't matter.
Elections don't matter.
We run the deal.
We took out Kennedy.
We took out Nixon.
We tried to take out Trump.
You guys brought him back.
Screw you.
We understand you're too powerful as a political movement.
So here's what we're going to do.
We're going to Take away any potential power you have and put you in your place.
And once we're put into place, there's no coming back, correct?
Are you down for that?
Are you down for this fight?
I don't think so.
Are you down for this fight?
Are you prepared to go to prison?
I'm serious.
You prepared to go to prison?
I think I have some candidates over here.
Got a quarter of them.
unidentified
Natalie, take us out.
natalie winters
Well, it's such a lie.
All these people are saying we need to be advanced in AI so we can compete against China.
What they don't tell you, the second largest country that they're busy giving out H-1B visas to do all this work to is China, right?
And David Sachs and all of these tech prototypes are busy working on these backdoor deals to hand over semiconductor chips, advanced AI technology, either directly to China, we've seen that in the trade war, or by proxy through Qatar.
And I think to the point that you make, in the same way that people like Mike Bence in this audience have been so much the tip of the spear in terms of uncovering the State Department USAID access, right, that what they've done to foreign countries is what they're doing here, you will find the same rocked to the core at the Intel agencies.
steve bannon
Okay, Joe and Nora, hang on for one second in Geneva.
unidentified
I know you got a bulk because they're going to pull out your TV.
steve bannon
We're going to take a short commercial break.
natalie winters
They might be banned after that one.
The good AI conference.
I don't know.
steve bannon
The good AI for the good.
Do you see AI being for the good?
Do you think they're developing AI for good?
Do you think those four guys are trying to do it for the benefit of this country, for this republic, for you?
Do you think so?
Yeah, we're good.
That's why they got to eliminate MAGA, right?
The common sense and the backbone of the populist nationalist movement and the common sense decency of the American people.
Short commercial break.
We're back in the war room live from Tampa in a moment.
unidentified
In America's home.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Man.
steve bannon
Okay, let's go back to Geneva.
These guys got to punch out for you.
Take their cameras down.
Let's go to Noor and to Joe Allen.
Guys, what do you got for us as you punch out?
joe allen
Steve, I just want to emphasize that right now, what we're seeing, and I see our friend, I want to emphasize that right now, as you just said, the U.N., various global organizations, and even China are ahead of at least trying to put regulation in place to control AI.
If the U.S. doesn't do it, if the federal government doesn't do it, it's up to the states.
And the only way that's going to happen is if you have people like you, people like Josh Hawley, and everyone in that audience right now fighting to make sure that at the very least, states can have control over their own futures in regard to this technology.
steve bannon
Amen.
noor bin laden
Amen.
That's absolutely clear.
You cannot let these companies run rampant and get their way and completely destroy the freedoms you have left in the United States of America.
joe allen
And Steve, last but not least, we have the official cyborg of the event.
This is Scott Embrys.
He actually subjected his brain to computer implants.
That's surprising, but what's more surprising, huge War Room fan, huge Trump fan.
He just wanted to say hello.
scott imbrie
Hey, Steve, it's amazing I had to come all the way to Switzerland to finally get to say hi to you in person.
Thank you.
And one other thing, you know, the other thing they're using, big tech, they're using this as something that's going to help the less fortunate.
That's the selling point.
steve bannon
Hang on for a second.
Hang on a second.
I just want to make sure I got this right.
Your war room, hang on, your war room and war room posse, but you've got four implants into your brain?
You must have missed an episode or two.
joe allen
He was ahead of us on that one, Steve.
He was ahead of us on that one.
Steve.
scott imbrie
You know how they always have that buzzword.
steve bannon
You've got four implants in your brain?
scott imbrie
I don't see one IOT piece of helping the less fortunate when it comes to fake packs.
unidentified
Steve is asking you to bring you.
scott imbrie
Oh, yeah, I do.
I have the four electrodes made by BlackRock Technology, and they're Utah rays.
I can control a robotic arm and hand with my brain, and I have sensory feedback with it.
So if I shook your hand with the robotic hand, I would actually feel your hand in mine.
That's just completely amazing.
joe allen
No, something else.
steve bannon
We can actually hook on something else.
joe allen
Yeah.
Should be talking about Scott's story.
In the 80s, he had an accident.
He was made quadriplegic.
Without the assistance of any of this technology, he regained his ability to walk.
It was only through the relationships that he built in that hospital that he decided that he would subject his mind.
He's one of less than 100 people with an advanced brain computer interface in his head.
But like I say, that's shocking.
But he immediately, when I told him I was with Steve Bennett's Warroom, he's like, that guy is my hero.
scott imbrie
Thanks.
steve bannon
Hold it.
scott imbrie
Keep that work up, man.
Steve, keep that work up.
steve bannon
Well, hold it, hold it.
We want an experiment.
Can we hook him up to a machine and see what segments of War Room get him most worked up?
unidentified
Can you co-host for Steve Bennett?
joe allen
Can we hook you up and co-host.
You co-host with your brain only.
scott imbrie
I can try.
I'll try.
steve bannon
Okay, fine.
natalie winters
I'm going to be out of a job.
I'm replaced by AI.
steve bannon
Exactly.
scott imbrie
The right one.
steve bannon
Brother, thank you very much.
Make sure you get all this information.
We want to have him on one time.
Okay?
joe allen
Absolutely.
Yeah, they want to have you on.
steve bannon
Thank you, guys.
scott imbrie
Hi, Steve.
steve bannon
Thanks, Scott.
Appreciate you.
I think.
He missed episode three.
Okay, social media.
Joe, Nora, where do people go?
And Nora, thank you so much for hosting Joe Allen for an entire week.
I understand having some cracker from Backwoods, Tennessee is a pain in the ass, but thank you, ma'am.
You're so classy and so nice.
noor bin laden
It was a great pleasure, and I tell you, it made it that much easier to endure four days of UN word salad.
joe allen
You know, Steve, we'd set up a whole series of jokes, but I was like, you really have to have a joke hit on the war room.
One false move and you're done.
So I think we're just going to leave it at antimatters.
noor bin laden
Antimatters.world.
joe allen
Antimatters.world if you want to be fashionable like me and at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z.
steve bannon
Okay, we have a whole series of interviews these guys did in Geneva.
We're going to play the interviews and we've got a highlight reel.
We're going to play in the five o'clock show, all of that.
So guys, thank you very much.
I appreciate you.
Before I lose you, because you've got interviews to do.
natalie winters
Got to go get my implant.
steve bannon
Implant.
Talk to me about Mike Benz, the intelligence part, what we know already.
Mike Benz is calling for something immediately about what's known about Epstein with Acosta and the OPR, everything.
So tell me about Mike Benz and how important this is, because Mike Benz knows the intelligence community and the interconnections of the intelligence community better than anybody.
natalie winters
Well, let's link it to what we were just talking about.
I'm sure you guys all remember the pandemic, the WHO, they introduced a new term, a new concept called social listening, where they used these, I don't know if it's me, I think it's the mic, the AI models to essentially spy on online conversations, even in public spaces, and see what people were talking about in terms of COVID vaccines, the origins of COVID.
So I think when you link that sort of digital surveillance state that you're talking about, how in the heck then can you not have any evidence, any files on anyone even tangentially related to Epstein, right?
You can't have it both sides of the coin.
You can't have a digital surveillance state here in the United States, yet conveniently when it touches up against something that would expose the ruling regime, the ruling powers in this country, all of a sudden, oh, we've never collected, we've never looked at anything that they've been doing.
It's a double standard.
There you go.
steve bannon
You like that?
natalie winters
Thank you.
steve bannon
Makes sense.
Who are these gentlemen right over here, Jane?
jayne zirkle
Worst nightmare young right-wing men.
Guys, tell me your names and where you're from.
blue jackson in san antonio
My name is Blue Jackson.
I'm from San Antonio, Texas.
And we love you, Steve.
unidentified
I'm Julian Narmore from Houston, Texas.
jayne zirkle
My name is Alec Beaton from Detroit, Michigan.
unidentified
I'm Jason Louie from California.
jayne zirkle
And what brought you guys to SaaS?
unidentified
Well, we want to put America first.
steve bannon
We're here for the Republican movement, right?
But we aren't really seeing it with this administration.
unidentified
I mean, when are we going to get what we voted for?
charlie kirk
Yeah, we're getting lied to.
unidentified
The pedophiles aren't being rounded up.
charlie kirk
The people aren't getting deported.
We're not getting what we asked for.
So why don't we get it now?
jayne zirkle
What's your recommendation?
What's your recommendation of what should happen?
unidentified
The recommendation is have ICE go into every house, kick them out, release the files that we know exist.
charlie kirk
Maybe that guy with the computer implants turned them off.
I don't know.
But, you know.
steve bannon
Did you guys know each other before and you came?
Okay.
You know each other?
Okay, so we actually have an act of conspiracy.
I got it.
For the FBI that's watching.
You're from Mossad.
Come to my house.
You're killing me.
If you have right there, if you were in the Oval this morning with the president before he left for Kerrville, Texas, give me your top three things that you would tell the President of the United States that coming from a young person in the base and a dedicated worker and follower of his that you feel he needs to do right now.
blue jackson in san antonio
We need to enforce the laws of this country.
And, you know, like you said, Steve, there's no better question than who rules America.
It's not the people.
steve bannon
So we need to obviously have the declassification of the U.S. You don't think Donald Trump is president, you would tell Donald Trump in the Oval Office that you think there's an open question with him as commander-in-chief and doing all he's doing.
You would actually tell Trump you don't know, you don't, you question who rules this country?
blue jackson in san antonio
I definitely would because it's a blackmail ring and anybody who wouldn't is not paying attention.
Simply put, Epstein himself said that he was best friends on the stand with Donald Trump.
So anybody who thought that these files were going to get just declassified because we pressured him enough or you voted harder enough is just lying to yourself.
steve bannon
Frank, do you agree with a special prosecutor has to be an independent special prosecutor has to take over?
Do you believe that DOJ and FBI right now, with the guys who we're all close to, Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, do you think they have any credibility left to pursue this?
blue jackson in san antonio
No, and I'll tell you exactly why, Steve, because in 2016, we trusted the plan with Trump, but now Trump has become the deep state.
The exact thing we voted him in.
steve bannon
Why do you say he's become the deep state?
blue jackson in san antonio
What is more deep state than covering up for pedophiles?
Why would you go to that island?
Why?
Tell me why would you go to that island?
Why would you go on the plane?
Why?
It's his top donors.
ben bergquam
Sorry.
blue jackson in san antonio
Why are his top donors?
steve bannon
Anybody agree with that?
Are we going to lose part of the base if we don't?
Burkhorn, are we going to lose part of the base if we don't pursue this?
unidentified
We will.
ben bergquam
Get the mic on.
steve bannon
Can we get these mics working?
ben bergquam
Yeah, Steve.
So I just want to touch on this, two things.
Back to what Ana Paulina Luna was saying, this is why I quit voting for David Valladeo in California, because he was so worried about losing illegal alien votes that he lost my vote.
These guys aren't willing to stand up and actually support the things that the base, conservative base, wants to stand for.
And you look at the people that are actually controlling them, the chambers of commerce, if we don't have clarity on this, if we don't have the investigations into Epstein, if we don't have no amnesty, all deportations, you are going to lose the base.
That's it.
steve bannon
Hang on.
You've got to bounce through your interviews.
Where do people go and get you?
And thank you for hosting yesterday.
natalie winters
It's always an honor to be able to host with you.
When you're not in prison, please don't ever go back.
steve bannon
Next man up.
Where do people go get you?
natalie winters
Natalie G. Winters on all platforms.
steve bannon
Can we give it up for Natalie?
Is she the best?
This is how good she was.
Yesterday she shows up.
We don't even have a studio.
She winged it by doing her thing.
Natalie Winters, thank you so much.
I appreciate you.
Jane Zirkle.
Jane Zirkle had a great piece the other day.
We did a six-minute interview with a guy out in the state of Washington.
Jane Zirkle's piece was so good, he was convicted in less than two hours.
Jane, great going.
jayne zirkle
Yeah, two and a half hours.
It only took the jury a few minutes.
steve bannon
Do what now?
jayne zirkle
It only took the jury a few short hours to decide that he was guilty of criminal trespassing.
And often.
steve bannon
This is what I tell the audience what it's for wearing a mask and accounting and not wearing a mask.
jayne zirkle
It initially started as a misdemeanor mask dispute.
He was given a citation for disorderly conduct.
And then the prosecutor, Greg Banks, got involved.
And Greg Banks has a history all over social media of calling President Trump supporters KKK, white supremacists, racist bullies.
It's right on his Facebook.
He said if you do not take this misdemeanor plea deal, he would be upgrading it to felony charges.
And that's exactly what he did.
And in just two and a half hours, this jury found him guilty of unlawful entry and criminal trespassing.
He now faces two years in jail because of that.
He has yet to be sent to the 2020.
steve bannon
Two years and two years.
jayne zirkle
And now the vice chair, Tracy Abul.
steve bannon
We got a bounce.
We'll be back in a moment.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
jayne zirkle
I'm like the microphone.
unidentified
Check, check.
Red mic, red mic, red mic, red mic.
steve bannon
Okay, Parker, we're going to relieve you for calls, due.
These mics don't work.
Kidding.
We've got Jim Rickers.
Carly Bonet.
Let's give it up for Carly Bonnet, Midnight Rider.
jack posobiec
We love the Midnight Rider, folks.
steve bannon
She's not hardcore enough.
unidentified
Kind of a lightweight.
steve bannon
Okay, I want to ask this audience, they proved Jim Rickers is going to join us.
He's a former guy, investment banker, one of the smart things, has worked for the CIA in the past.
This week, what Annapolina Luna did in getting that last, not last of the files, but of files, and this has taken 60-some years.
If you let the deep state and the administrators do it, all of us will be dead and your grandkids will be looking at this.
This is why it has to happen now.
We need a special prosecutor now.
Everything, all of it.
The court has got to release all the sealed evidence has to be turned over to the special prosecutor immediately.
All of the other evidence has to be collected.
All of it has to be put out there.
And look, there may be some victim issues, whatever, but hey, it's more important for the American people to understand who governs us, right?
You need to see that.
They also need to be, the special counsel has to be able to impanel a federal criminal grand jury and then take it to its logical conclusion of what, if any, any intelligence agencies are in a connectivity with other foreign governments, correct?
They just told you after 62 years of lying to you, of lying to the Warren Commission, of lying to the Church Committee, of lying to the House Investigation on Assassinations, decade after decade after decade, the CIA looked people in the eye and they lied that Lee Harvey Oswald was on the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency.
By the way, you ought to go, if you haven't seen it, particularly Yumpy, if you've not seen Oliver Stone's masterpiece, JFK, go watch it now, 30 years after it was made with all the revelations we've had.
We're sitting in the same situation.
We had the coup against Kennedy.
We had the coup against Nixon.
We had a coup against Trump.
Only this audience beat it back.
And here we are today playing Namby Pamby with the people that tried to remove him from office, stole an election, and tried to assassinate him.
At the same time, we're sending weapons.
We're sending weapons to Ukraine and we're bombing Persia, right?
We need to take control of this.
Jim Rickards, am I wrong about any of this?
You've been connected with these guys on the banking side, all of it.
Is this intelligence apparatus out of control, sir?
jim rickards
Yes and no.
Let me explain.
First of all, your description is exactly right.
But what a lot of people may not realize is say, well, the CIA lies to the American people.
The CIA lies to Congress.
That's true.
But what people don't realize is that inside the CIA, they lie to each other.
And compartmentalization is real.
So did the U.S., sorry, did the CIA station at Mexico City when Oswald was visiting, Lee Harvey, Oswald was visiting the embassies.
Did he know that Jim Angleton sitting in Langley was running Oswald?
He didn't.
He found out later and he wrote a book about it, which has never been published, by the way.
But that's what I'm saying.
They actually lie to each other.
And just a quick footnote, Steve, on Joe Allen and Norbin Laden's comments on artificial intelligence.
You know, I wrote a best-selling book on AI.
It's called Money GPT.
But in the research of the book, I was in a conclave in Santa Fe, New Mexico not long ago, a small group, about 10 or 15.
And I talked to a guy.
He's the top guy.
james rickards
He was a successful Silicon Valley entrepreneur, started and sold companies.
jim rickards
But he was also the head of the CIA's technology venture capital firm that was on the cutting edge or whatever the CIA was doing in Silicon Valley.
So he has a foot in Silicon Valley and a foot in the CIA.
Probably nobody knows more about what we're talking about.
And what he said to me was, Jim, we know what's out there.
We kind of know what's coming.
He said, what you don't know is the stuff, he used the phrase behind the curtain, the stuff that the developers themselves are afraid to release because they can't control it.
There are no guardrails.
And you went down a list of people.
He said, well, the people are not in charge.
The Congress is not in charge, et cetera.
And he said, a small clique in Silicon Valley are in charge.
My point is they're not in charge either.
They are financially in charge and technologically in charge, but they can't control what they're doing.
So there's stuff coming that's exponentially more powerful than anything we've seen.
And there are zero guardrails.
People have no, they admit they don't know how it works, but it's much more powerful than what's out there.
There are absolutely no guardrails.
steve bannon
Do you understand what Rickards is telling you right now?
Jim, hit the rewind on that and be slow.
The CIA has a venture capital arm funded by you.
Oh, by the way, you don't own any of the shares of the companies that they're putting money in, which are worth hundreds of billions of dollars.
You don't have warrants.
You don't have options.
None of it, Right?
But they've got this thing to do advanced technology, particularly they can weaponize for surveillance and on offensive combat operations.
Give us again what the head guy told you.
jim rickards
Yep, this company you're referring to is called InQTel.
So Intel is intelligence.
Q is sort of a Q play on Q. He was the armorer in the James Bond movie.
So InQTEL is the name of the company.
There came a time when the CIA Division of Science and Technologies, which was always on the cutting edge in the 70s and 80s, they realized they couldn't keep up with Silicon Valley.
So if you can't beat them, join them.
So they set up this company to do venture capital and angel investing in cutting-edge Silicon Valley technologies, and they own the intellectual property.
I actually did a development.
I did an AI development project for the CIA in financial warfare and counterterrorism.
And this guy funded my project along with a few partners.
So they are absolutely on the cutting edge of it.
But he told me, again, recently in a conclave in Santa Fe that what's behind the curtain, what's not released, what you or I or others have not heard about is exponentially more powerful, more intrusive than what's out there at number one.
Number two, you say, well, why don't they release it?
Don't they want to make money?
They're afraid of it themselves.
And they absolutely do not know how it works.
It works, but they don't know how it works.
And again, that's why they're afraid to release it.
But the CIA does have a very good panel.
steve bannon
Gronk showed you this week.
Not only do they not know how it works, they don't know how to control it.
The people in control can't control it.
You make a great point.
The Silicon Valley itself came out of investments early on with the CIA and Defense Department.
jack posobiec
This is what Jim is talking about, is those investments, when you track that, you track the money, but you also have to track the people because these are the same people that served as the originators.
Google, Apple, Facebook, all the initial investments, all the initial people, the bodies that were coming in, they're indelibly tied.
So when you're asking about, oh, how does the NSA and Snowden comes out with all the releases, how they get into all the telecom companies, because they were in there from the very start.
They were there at the very beginning.
It was indelibly wedded with the intelligence community.
And Edward Snowden only gave you a small piece of what it's like.
karli bonne
Why is it always a whistleblower?
steve bannon
Because the system, that's the way the system works.
It's a non-systems player that will come up.
That's why Snowden and these guys, and by the way, they're not great guys, but they tell you enough that you understand the system's rotten.
The system is broken here.
That's why Trump was a disruptor.
That's why they stole the 2020 election, right?
They understood Trump directionally was correct, and they said, we're not going to allow this to happen.
This is why they started the Russia Gate hoax, which is known as a hoax from the very beginning, to nullify and smear him in front of the American people.
It's obvious we're living through a coup.
And are we prepared to stand for it now?
Are you prepared to stand for it?
Are you going to fight it?
I don't think you've got the balls to fight.
You think you've got the balls to fight it?
You know what they're going to do to you?
They're going to put you in jail.
They're going to bankrupt you.
They're going to smear you.
They're going to come for your kids.
Are you prepared to do that?
You're prepared to fight?
Come on.
Are you prepared to fight?
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
Drink the hell.
I like that.
Rickards.
Rickards, tell us.
We've got a couple of minutes here.
What is your recommendation for the MAGA movement to take on the deep state?
What do you say must be done in the next 100 days to prove that we're real about this?
jim rickards
The single most important issue, Steve, is getting out of Ukraine.
Donald Trump committed the first, I would say, major blunder of his administration.
He came in.
The war in Ukraine was Biden's war.
unidentified
Everyone's going to give Trump time to sort it out.
jim rickards
It is now officially Trump's war because of his flip-flop on the weapons deliveries.
I see, I do the analysis.
I don't get too involved in politics, but I kind of see J.D. Vance and Pete Hagseth on one side trying to get out of Ukraine.
But you've got Marco Rubio on a bit of a roll and others who want to dig a deeper hole.
If you got out of Ukraine, just get out now.
We said that last January.
You could have a rapprochement with Russia.
Russia would help with Iran.
You could end two wars with a couple of phone calls.
But Trump is going down the same path, and I lived through it.
LBJ and Vietnam.
When LBJ came in, he could have said, you know, this is Kennedy's war or Eisenhower's war.
We're getting out.
He didn't.
He just got dragged in, and it ruined his legacy, ruined his administration, despite everything he did with the great society.
People remember LBJ and Vietnam.
So my concern is that the MAGA movement will be subsumed or swallowed in the mire in Ukraine because Trump doesn't know how to get out.
steve bannon
The president said he's going to have a major announcement on Monday about Russia.
What do you anticipate that major announcement is going to be?
jim rickards
Well, it may be very negative, maybe sanctions.
You got Lindsey Graham running around.
He wants 500% secondary sanctions.
Now, a secondary sanction, Russia's already been sanctioned to the hills, so there's not much more you can do to Russia.
A secondary sanction is when you go to another country, China and India, and say, hey, if you guys buy Russian oil, we're going to put a 500% tariff on you, meaning Chinese goods.
Now, you know, they were debating, what's China going to be, you know, 120% or 50% or whatever?
They're talking about 500%.
So I expect, I don't understand.
steve bannon
Jim Rickards is saying we got to get to Ukraine.
How many, let me see if people want to ship more arms to Ukraine?
unidentified
Nobody.
steve bannon
100% are anti-Ukraine.
And you're American patriots too, right?
Jim Rickards, how do people get to get to strategic intelligence?
Where do we go?
jim rickards
Thank you.
We have a landing page, RickardsWarroom.com.
Rickardswarroom.com.
You go there.
You can subscribe to Strategic Intelligence.
That's our flagship newsletter.
And we come out once a month and do a very deep dive.
We put a lot into it.
So I'm also on Exet at RealJim Rickards.
Real Jim Rickards.
steve bannon
Are you saying if we don't get out of Ukraine and get out of Ukraine now, it's over?
The deep state wins?
jim rickards
Yes, yes, because everything revolves around relations with Russia.
China is supporting Russia.
If we can't make friends with Russia, it should be the United States and Russia against China.
That's how you play a three-handed poker game, two against one.
But we're the sucker.
It's China and Russia against us.
You solve Ukraine.
You can have rapprochement with Russia.
You can solve Iran.
It's the single most important thing Trump is doing.
And by the way, Trump came out yesterday or maybe this morning and said, well, we're not paying for it.
NATO pays for it.
Who pays for NATO?
It's the United States.
So when they do that kind of finesse, you know, it tells me that they're trying to slide something by the American people.
steve bannon
Can we give it up for Jim Rickards?
Rickards, love you, brother.
We'll get you on next week.
What's your comment?
Carlo Bernay's got a very interesting comment.
karli bonne
I'm sick of the mainstream media telling me what wars are good and what wars are bad.
If anyone saw the New York Post this morning, there was a picture of a lone child that was killed by a Russian drone.
And it's heartbreaking.
I mean, it's terrible.
But has the New York Post, the Murdoch paper, have they ever had a picture of a dead child in Gaza?
steve bannon
Whoa.
karli bonne
I mean, why is one war good and one war bad?
Why is something acceptable and something not acceptable?
jack posobiec
How about we declare war on these cartels and the child traffickers that are coming across the border and are here already inside our own country?
unidentified
Do you declare that?
steve bannon
How about we do a strike, a paramilitary strike down in cartels in northern Mexico, right, Ben Berglom?
karli bonne
Well, Tom Lowland said this morning that they've rescued 100,000 children that have been trafficked because of the open border.
steve bannon
Should we have immediate execution for all traffickers?
unidentified
Immediate?
steve bannon
Absolutely.
Just like in the Old West?
Yep.
Short break.
Charlie Kirk next.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
steve bannon
Whoa!
Charlie Kirk's in the house.
By the way, Carly Bonet, you're amazing.
Everybody on Midnight Rider?
Everybody go to Midnight Rider?
charlie kirk
All the time.
steve bannon
Hardest core of the hardcore.
Incredible.
Charlie Kirk, what are we going to do about this Epstein situation?
We've got to solve it.
We have to have the Tampa Resolves coming out of here.
We've got to be like the revolutionary generation.
We've got to get four or five things coming out of here.
The Tampa resolves.
When we leave here on Sunday afternoon, we've got to have a plan of what we're going to do.
So what's it going to be, Charlie Kerr?
charlie kirk
Can we pan to the audience?
I'm curious.
How many of you raise your hand think this is a big deal, the Epstein thing?
Would you raise your hand?
So, I mean, every hand has gone up.
And so, you know, people are saying it's a big deal, Steve, but it seems like there's a disconnection between the Washington Press Corps and the grassroots here.
And I can tell you that it is the number one piece of incoming I'm receiving.
Would you agree right now?
steve bannon
The Press Corps just had President Trump for 10 questions.
I said we covered it in tape.
No, no, no.
He walks out to Marine One.
They ask him 10 questions on Brazil, on tariffs, on really great stuff, on what he's going to see in Kerrville.
Not one question on Epstein.
And I said at the time, he takes that as nobody's interested, and they're going to move on.
Is that the fact?
jack posobiec
Look, when I say it's not number one, Charlie, it's number one, number two, number three, number four, number five, all of it.
steve bannon
It's deeper than Epstein.
Epstein is a symbol of who governs us, right?
Do you govern us?
You don't govern us.
No chance the American people govern us.
You just won.
They tried to have the third coup.
Kennedy first, Nixon second, Trump third.
They stole the 2020 election after stopping it only because you guys said, go f ⁇ yourself.
We're going to bring him back.
jack posobiec
Right?
steve bannon
We're going to bring him back.
joe allen
He's back.
steve bannon
But are we in control?
We're not in control.
Why are we not in control?
Why are we not in control?
Because the deep state runs the deal and they're laughing at us right now.
charlie kirk
And I would say, everyone in the grassroots, you have to continue to make your voice heard on this because there is a disconnect between the press corps and what you guys want.
And I'll tell you, there is enormous confusion on my part.
We're told that there's a list on a desk where, you know, Jack, I don't want to get into your whole thing.
unidentified
But, you know, how Jack gets told Jack was used.
jack posobiec
I get told that's phase one.
charlie kirk
It's not Jack's fault.
Jack was used.
I hope you guys understand that.
jack posobiec
Thank you, Charlie.
I was told there'd be more.
We were all told there was more.
unidentified
And now they're telling us like a sap, you believed them.
steve bannon
You're from the intelligence community.
Jack Pasovic, you're from the intelligence community.
They're playing us.
They're playing all of us.
By the way, it's just not the media.
Screw the media.
Recovery.
Right now, the administration's barely hanging on by the tips of his fingers.
We have two guys at the FBI.
We have 25 people at the Justice Department.
We have a handful of people in defense.
We've got Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Ken at DNI managing 17 agencies.
We don't have a hundred people of President Trump that oversee 200,000 to 400,000 to 500,000 people.
Those people are embedded.
They just think we're passing through.
And right now, they're laughing at us.
The only way we do this is to tell them nothing else happens until we take this on.
If we don't take down the deep state in this term, it's over.
This is America's last chance.
charlie kirk
There are some very immediate, easy things that could be done outside of the files.
Number one, who were the other prisoners on the floor of the night that Jeffrey Epstein died?
If nobody was able to access that block, and if there is suspicion, you know that we still do not know the identity of the prisoners.
There's like some, like, what.
steve bannon
Did Epstein kill himself?
jack posobiec
It's like a hippo.
steve bannon
No, but was he murdered under Bill Barr, a Republican, Bush Republicans watch.
The Bureau of Prisons reports to the Attorney General of the United States.
Was Epstein a high-value Added prisoner?
Was he?
Would he be something that you did, that you had like Secret Service outside of or special things?
unidentified
He was treated like anybody at Danbury, right?
steve bannon
This was a total setup.
Was Epstein murdered?
He was murdered.
Why was he murdered?
He could do it!
unidentified
He could do it!
steve bannon
He did it!
unidentified
He did it!
charlie kirk
And Steve, you're onto something as to why people are so fired up about this.
And this is my job to try to explain it.
Number one, people think that if you have a bunch of money, that you're able to be immune from justice.
And that is a populist economic undercurrent to the entire Epstein saga.
That we, the people, we have to have a different level of justice.
If you go walk into the Capitol building and say a prayer on January 6th, the FBI gets thrown at you and you face five years in jail.
So there is an economic populist element of this, not to mention the potential for it.
steve bannon
But it's more than money.
If he was a billionaire, they wouldn't have murdered him.
If he's some Schmendrick billionaire.
charlie kirk
He's a lot of friends are.
That's the key.
It's not just him.
It's the whole network.
That's where people are getting so animated.
steve bannon
Okay.
The special prosecutor has to be twofold.
Number one, step one, go to the federal judge and petition the federal judge to unseal all the evidence.
Number one, step one, right?
Step two is take all the other information and evidence, combine with the unsealed, and put it out to the American people and let them weigh and measure what their thoughts are about this.
Number two, the second part of the special prosecutor, he has the ability or she has the ability to impanel a federal criminal grand jury and then begin the investigation of the interconnectivity, if any.
And let's say there's nothing.
Fine, take it to the grand jury.
But if there is, we should begin a criminal prosecution of the intelligence services around Epstein and why he was able to work for the people that govern us.
That's why people are upset.
People are upset because we don't govern ourselves and we only have one shot to do it.
And it's got to be now, now, now.
If you let this go, and that's why the media didn't ask him a question.
They wanted to pass over, right?
That's why he wasn't asked a question.
unidentified
Any of these things.
charlie kirk
That's incredible.
I'm sorry to interrupt.
You have the juiciest story of 100 years.
It's a tell.
They will go at how many Diet Cokes Donald Trump is drinking a day.
Here you have a guy that probably was either Mossad, Saudi Intelligence, MI6, or CIA.
We don't really know.
unidentified
All of them.
charlie kirk
And have the most expensive real estate in the world in a private island flying former presidents involving underage girls and pedophilic activity.
I mean, you don't get a juicier story than that.
And the media...
That should be the screaming tell everybody.
They'll ask about, hey, Mr. President, tell us about your tariff policy to Brazil.
Wait, wait, hold on a second.
You're asking about tariff adjustments to Brazil.
There's something there that I think is rather remarkable.
The silence is deafening on this team from the Washington.
steve bannon
Although Bolsonaro is in jail, Bolsonaro is going to be put in jail and assassinated exactly for the same reason they tried to assassinate Trump.
We got to take a short commercial break.
Charlie Kirk is next.
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