May 29, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| Go it alone. | ||
| It's the end of the American relationship with Israel. | ||
| It's just the end of it. | ||
| You can't because we're so tied to them. | ||
| Because it's not just blowing the nuclear thing. | ||
| First off, we haven't done anything really on putting economic pressure on them. | ||
| The president's got a whole toolbox in news. | ||
| President Trump is adamant about this. | ||
| And listen, he's trying to make sure, what he's trying to do is make sure we don't exacerbate. | ||
| The third world war right now, the kinetic part. | ||
| All the way from Kursk through Kiev, that whole arc of instability. | ||
| The president is on his shoulders. | ||
| He's got Wyckoff as a lead negotiator, but he's got a lot of people working on this. | ||
| And Kristi Noem, she didn't go over there to talk about the two young people who were assassinated. | ||
| As horrible as that was, she didn't need to go there. | ||
| She went over to deliver a message. | ||
| And that message is pretty blunt to Bibi. | ||
| And Bibi's got to learn how to read the room. | ||
| Because there's just no support of that whatsoever. | ||
| The polling is horrible. | ||
| Under 35, it's 100 to 0. And we haven't put any economic pressure on them. | ||
| They're still shipping out 2 million barrels a day to the Chinese Communist Party through the Straits of Hormuz. | ||
| let's take one of the carrier battle groups in the Red Sea and put it right there and say, hey, we're going to fully stop. | ||
| President Trump has... | ||
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This is Steve Vanden's economic pressure. | |
| Put a couple of carrier battle groups. | ||
| Put some aircraft carriers and some support ships around them. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| Hold it. | ||
| My word to Levin is, hey, you never know what's going to happen. | ||
| You do a full naval blockade on their oil. | ||
| You never know where that's going to play out. | ||
| I 100% agree with him. | ||
| Mark and the other guys, you know, we have Rabbi Walecki on here, so many of the guys who are close to Israel, that you can't have a verification program. | ||
| Part of what Wyckoff and those guys are talking about, because these moolahs are crazy, they're also totally dishonest, and their policy is against the United States. | ||
| You have to have a program, I think, to take it apart brick by brick. | ||
| But President Trump gets briefed on this every day. | ||
| He's got a guy that's so close to him. | ||
| And Wyckoff leading the negotiations, right, overall, I think you've got to let him play his hand out. | ||
| And he's also been adamant. | ||
| This is not something he is kind of playing hide the football. | ||
| He's up front. | ||
| I want other alternatives and diplomatic and economic solutions to take care of the situation. | ||
| I do not want the kinetic war that's already in Gaza. | ||
| That's already in Kiev, that's now in Kursk, in Russian territory, all the way down to the tip of the Arabian Peninsula with the Houthis in the Red Sea, in Kashmir, that whole arc of instability. | ||
| You light a match, that whole thing can go up. | ||
| And you've got guys with nuclear weapons all over the place there. | ||
| This thing could get as ugly as you possibly can, and Trump is trying to be the peacemaker. | ||
| You've got to let him play his hand. | ||
| And to have Bibi saying, hey, we're going to go it alone, you can't go it alone. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| We're your biggest sponsor. | ||
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It's not really going alone. | |
| You can see the wink when he said we're going to go it alone. | ||
| We know what Israel going alone is. | ||
| It's us supporting them, just not officially supporting them. | ||
| This is my point. | ||
| I think American public opinion... | ||
| And Charlie's a defender of Israel. | ||
| I think he put a poll up about Israel going along, what would happen. | ||
| I think 27% of the respondents saying we would continue to have the support, monetary support. | ||
| Another, I think, 15% said support but no money. | ||
| And then, I don't know, what's the delta? | ||
| 67% or 57%, 60%, 65% said cut off everything. | ||
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58, yeah. | |
| Cut them off. | ||
| 58, I mean, come on. | ||
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No, look, we are. | |
| We're weary. | ||
| We're done supporting for it. | ||
| You know how this stuff works. | ||
| We have to tell everyone who we're supporting everywhere, I guess. | ||
| Well, hold it. | ||
| But hold it. | ||
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Hold it. | |
| But hang on. | ||
| Hang on. | ||
| But you're talking about something totally different there. | ||
| I'm talking about a military invasion either backed by the United States with our support and or Israel does alone or an air raid, air bombing campaign, which they said, hey, they're on their back foot now. | ||
| That versus economic warfare. | ||
| Paramilitary, espionage, like, was it Stutniks? | ||
| All those types of things, that's a different deal. | ||
| But I think a direct military involvement, the nation is tired. | ||
| The nation has spent 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, and, you know, $9 trillion, 10,000 KIAs, 50,000 wounded. | ||
| It's just not going to do it. | ||
| There's just no support of that. | ||
| In fact, there's anti-support. | ||
| Polling on Israel, and I know from our audience, which are MAGA and used to be huge supporters of Israel, that support's dramatically dropped. | ||
| You've just got to take that into the calculation. | ||
| And I think President Trump is. | ||
| And President Trump is not quiet about this. | ||
| He's adamant about this. | ||
| Bibi had two shots in the Oval Office. | ||
| It came up the first time if Bibi wanted to talk air assault into Persia. | ||
| Trump wanted to talk about Trump-Gaza. | ||
| We're making it a beachfront property. | ||
| Remember, drop that bomb on Bibi. | ||
| Bibi's sitting there with the big eyes, and he goes in the East Room, and Trump's holding a press conference about the new condos. | ||
| And then the second time Bibi came over, remember, four weeks later, to talk about the tariffs. | ||
| That was also to talk about the bombing. | ||
| President Trump dropped the bomb on him in the room that, hey, we're directly negotiating. | ||
| We, the United States of America, are directly negotiating with the Persians. | ||
| And we're doing it in Oman. | ||
| And we're going to shift and do it in the Vatican. | ||
| You've got to read the room. | ||
| The President of the United States, Israel's never had a bigger defender of Israel than Donald John Trump. | ||
| They just haven't. | ||
| And he's pretty adamant about this. | ||
| And I think they ought to take something and say, hey, look, you know, we're all in for you. | ||
| We'll take your guidance on this. | ||
| And now you're not seeing it. | ||
| I would argue that Mike Waltz is not the head of NSA, not the national security advisor about this very topic, brother. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, I agree with you. | ||
| I know there's no way to trust whoever we're dealing with, whoever the persons we're dealing with, whoever we're negotiating with in the Middle East. | ||
| None of them can be trusted, including the Iranians. | ||
| At some point, it worked in the 80s, Israel took care of business, and it bought them 40 more years of no nuclear proliferation out of Iran. | ||
| Your show, sorry. | ||
| Hang on, I'm going to get the rumor going here, because we know a lot of liberal journalists and producers on MSNBC watch the show. | ||
| You know, Howard Lutnick, I don't know if Howard over Commerce is hearing the footsteps, but you never know. | ||
| It could be Eric Bolling, the new Secretary of Commerce. | ||
| Eric Bolling, hat tip to you, sir. | ||
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I have the coveted. | |
| Don't tell me. | ||
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I got the coveted seat. | |
| I can't give up the coveted. | ||
| I got the coveted four o 'clock. | ||
| I got the coveted four o 'clock. | ||
| Where's Rob Sig? | ||
| I gotta look at this deal, right? | ||
| I got the coveted 4 o 'clock pre-war room lead-up, right? | ||
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That's it. | |
| I got the coveted 5 minutes with Bannon every 4.55. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I don't want to give that up. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Always great talking with you. | ||
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See you tomorrow. | |
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Eric Bolling. | ||
| True story. | ||
| Call him up and said, F the 5. Get over here. | ||
| And he got over there. | ||
| We're right tonight talking about being Secretary of Commerce. | ||
| And he turned us down. | ||
| Little known story. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| We got Josh Hammer. | ||
| A lot going on today. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| We got a cold open. | ||
| Maybe I'll actually ask Josh about the entire situation in the Middle East, but he's here to give us some legal opinions, observations. | ||
| Let's go ahead and play the cold open. | ||
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The U.S. appeals court has reinstated Donald Trump's tariffs during the appeals process. | |
| So the International Court of Trade, which is a federal court, by the way, said, no, you don't have the authority to do this, wiping out a lot of those tariffs. | ||
| Well, now Donald Trump appealed it, and the appeals court says, yes, you do have that authority, at least for now. | ||
| And this is exactly what the White House wanted, what they said this morning they were going to do. | ||
| They were going to go to this D.C. appeals court and they would say, look, we want you to stay the international trade court decision for now while this moves forward. | ||
| And the White House had said they would appeal directly to the Supreme Court if they didn't hear from the appeals court. | ||
| Now they have heard from a D.C. appeals court pausing any tariffs, any tariff changes while the case is. | ||
| What I think is interesting is you've got another deadline here, July 9th. | ||
| That's when those original... | ||
| When the president stood there in the Rose Garden with that big chart with all those numbers that he was going to charge people, then he paused some of those, then some went back on. | ||
| But July 9th is when there's supposed to be some clarity, that. | ||
| Those reciprocal tariffs, that's what the International Trade Court said he did not have the authority to impose. | ||
| Now this D.C. appeals court saying, okay, we're going to pause that International Trade Court decision until this litigate goes through the appeals process. | ||
| So we're back to where we were a day and a half ago. | ||
| And this is part and parcel, Katie, of the frustration for businesses and importers because it just means there still is indecision overall about what happens next and what rates tariffs will be for these different countries in the days and weeks ahead. | ||
| There's so much uncertainty in how the terrorists will be rolled out. | ||
| I mean, even as I was coming up the elevator to the studio, the news broke that the court As the case moved forward, the lower court's position would not stand. | ||
| So I think that there's an enormous amount of uncertainty in the economy. | ||
| And the two choices that Robert laid out, I think it's worth looking at what qualifies as a victory these days. | ||
| So, you know, let's say that the Trump's orders are halted, that he's not able to enact the tariffs as he would like. | ||
| That would be because courts had stopped him. | ||
| And then you have the likes of Stephen Miller saying this is a judicial. | ||
| coup I mean the idea that that would be a victory is pretty striking that you don't accept the balance of powers as written in the Constitution but you brand it as a coup and then what further action does that kind of rhetoric But then we have come to learn over the course of Trump's two terms now that rhetoric matters. | ||
| So I don't really see this as a real victory here. | ||
| They're two bad options. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass. | ||
| Thursday, 29 May, Europe of Our Lord, 2025. | ||
| Josh Hammer, the great Josh Hammer. | ||
| So Josh, I got a lot of things to talk to you about. | ||
| We got three minutes in this block. | ||
| Make this make sense. | ||
| What's going on, sir? | ||
| Well, the International Court of Trade dramatically oversteps, Steve, and the U.S. Federal Circuit has put a pause on it. | ||
| It's just a procedural pause. | ||
| They're going to let both sides file their legal arguments, let it play out here. | ||
| We're dealing here with a 1977 Jimmy Carter-era statue known as the International Economic Emergency Powers Act. | ||
| Now, the real question in this litigation, again, what happened today is all just procedural stuff. | ||
| the federal circuit basically saying, okay, you guys overstepped there. | ||
| The actual question is really more one of who decides, because the relevant underlying statute says that when there is a foreign economic commercial emergency, then the president of the United States can do X, Y, Z things. | ||
| So the question, Steve, really is do the political branches get to decide what is an economic emergency, or do these unelected judges in the judiciary get to decide what is an emergency? | ||
| The thing's 100 pages long. | ||
| Correct me if I'm wrong, and we'll go to break on this, but they dismissed... | ||
| Didn't this three-judge panel kind of dismiss this and get into the meat of kind of trade and didn't even take the emergency, what President Trump said is the emergency that drew this out? | ||
| They kind of dismissed that, didn't they? | ||
| Yeah, so they're focusing mostly, if I understand it correctly, on the so-called reciprocal tariffs. | ||
| Now, there's three trade statues. | ||
| It's actually very confusing. | ||
| So there's the Trade Expansion Act of 1962. | ||
| There is the Trade Act of 1974, tail end of Nixon, beginning of the Ford administration. | ||
| And then there's the one that was in question from the International... | ||
| trade court, which is the IEPA, the Jimmy Carter era statute. | ||
| Now, the trade court did not touch the 1962 or the 1974 statute. | ||
| So, for instance, a lot of these tariffs when it comes to steel, aluminum, automobiles, none of that was touched here. | ||
| If I understand correctly, the focus of this court was primarily on the reciprocal tariffs, but the Federalist Circuit is basically saying, you know, put a pause button on this. | ||
| Steve, the real issue is when you have this rollout that judges get to just put a stop to there. | ||
| I mean, markets, investors, trade unions. | ||
| So when you have this kind of litigation, it's kind of willy-nilly. | ||
| The judge does this. | ||
| The appellate court does that there. | ||
| That is not the way to achieve success. | ||
| But ultimately, I think these people don't really care about success. | ||
| What they fundamentally care about is just getting Donald Trump. | ||
| Josh, hang on for a second. | ||
| The great Josh Hammer joins us. | ||
| Also, some questions. | ||
| He's got a magnificent book out about Israel. | ||
| I want to talk to him about this entire fracas we have right now in Persia. | ||
| The great Josh Hammer joins us after a short commercial break. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann. | |
| So, Hammer, are we in—we talk about this coming constitutional crisis. | ||
| We're in it right now, are we not? | ||
| Yeah, Steve, we are knee-deep in a constitutional crisis, and we're knee-deep in a constitutional crisis not because Donald Trump is a dictator, fascist, Nazi, Stalin, whatever they want to call him. | ||
| No, I mean, we are in a constitutional crisis right now because Donald Trump is facing an unprecedented judicial insurrection, the likes of which no president in this country has faced since wartime President Abraham Lincoln himself, dealing with Roger Taney and chattel slavery and a genuine, literal insurrection, the likes of which we have never seen before. | ||
| This is kind of the craziest point to me, Steve. | ||
| Is that the judiciary, including the International Court of Trade earlier today, which by the way, that's a partisan court, by the way. | ||
| This is actually one of those Article 1 congressionally created courts deep in the bowels of the executive branch. | ||
| It has partisan designations. | ||
| You have to have certain Republican nominees, Democrat nominees. | ||
| So the media was reporting that, oh, a Trump appointee to the International Court of Trade was the one who struck down these tariffs. | ||
| But yeah, it was technically a Trump nominee from the first term, but he was literally a Democrat because his statutorily required. | ||
| So the media is just disingenuous and dishonest, as always. | ||
| But we're in this crisis, and the judiciary, more generally speaking, whether it's these executive branch courts like the trade court or the bread and butter of the Article III federal courts, they have to know they're not going to win. | ||
| They are not going to win this because they still are literally, as Hamilton told us in Federal 78, they literally are the least dangerous branch. | ||
| And they have neither force nor will but merely judgment. | ||
| They literally depend, as Hamilton again said, on the efficacy of the executive branch even for the enforcement of their own judgments. | ||
| They do not have the tools in their checks and balances, in their separation of powers, in their toolkit to win this in the long term. | ||
| The only question is how long is it going to take for them to learn the message and how much can Congress and President So I've been all in. | ||
| You know, me, Mike Davis, all of us at Article 3 Project, we've been all in trying to get all tools on the table, whether it's judicial impeachment of bozos like Judge Bozberg in D.C., whether it's trying to jurisdiction strip legislation, whether it's trying to potentially abolish entire judgeships. | ||
| There is a lot. | ||
| There's a lot that Congress and the president can do to get the judiciary to understand the message there. | ||
| But this judicial insurrection, Steve, has to stop because we are absolutely in a conflict. | ||
| Okay, but there's zero, would you not agree with me? | ||
| There's zero appetite. | ||
| I mean, Mike Davis, you guys laid out a quite brilliant menu of what should happen over at the House to kick things off. | ||
| Impeachment hearings, even investigations calling guys in to be questioned publicly, cutting off $2 billion of the 10. They get to send a signal that they're not going to get fully funded, cut out some jurisdictions. | ||
| There was zero appetite by the heroes up in the House to even address any of that, was it not, sir? | ||
| I totally agree with you. | ||
| There should be more appetite. | ||
| I mean, look, you have some congressmen like Brandon Gill, the first-term congressman from Texas, who's kind of been the tip of the spear when it comes to judicial impeachment efforts there. | ||
| But when it comes to some of the bolder stuff, when it comes to trying to strip jurisdiction there, there's really not a whole lot of appetite there. | ||
| Frankly, I would hope for a lot more from Chairman Jim Jordan on the House Judiciary Committee and folks like that. | ||
| Look, you definitely have some folks here. | ||
| I mean, Chip Roy knows a thing or two about the law. | ||
| I think Congressman Roy would be very well positively inclined towards a lot of what we at Article 3 Project are preaching there. | ||
| But you're totally right, Steve. | ||
| I mean, you know, when we say these things, there are only a smaller handful of congressmen, you know, Andy Biggs. | ||
| I mean, to be clear, there definitely are some people who get it there. | ||
| But it's pretty much slim pickings. | ||
| And I think the reason that it's slim pickings is because even in many Republican, capital Republican Party circles, this broader myth of judicial supremacy that the judiciary can't do. | ||
| can do no wrong and that no matter what they say, even if it's a bare five to four decision of the Supreme court there, it is automatically the law of the land. | ||
| And this is just, It's a total mind disease. | ||
| The same way that so-called separation of church and state is a lie, but people think that it's there because it's been repeated ad infinitum for decades and decades, so too do people think that the judiciary has the final binding say on all things legal, constitutional or statutory or otherwise, because it's just been repeated by everyone for decades and decades. | ||
| And when you just tell a lie, Steve, for long enough and long enough and long enough, eventually it just seeps into the broader body politic. | ||
| You went to Chicago Law School, right? | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| So you're particularly twisted because that's one of the toughest law schools in the country. | ||
| But you guys at Chicago, they have an angle of attack the way that you're taught the law, correct? | ||
| UChicago is probably known bestie for developing the law and economics curriculum. | ||
| That was kind of their big thing back in the 1960s. | ||
| That's actually kind of why I went there in the first place. | ||
| I studied economics in college, briefly worked in economic consulting in Washington, D.C. for two years between college and law school. | ||
| This was 12 years ago now, but when I first decided to go to University of Chicago for law school, it was largely because of that law and economics background. | ||
| You know, back in the day, Steve, back during the Reagan era, University of Chicago Law School was a firmly right-of-center law school, and that continued really into the 1990s, arguably even into the early 2000s. | ||
| Unfortunately, my alma mater has taken a leftward turn, but it's probably still better than most of its other peer institutions overall. | ||
| But it has a frame of reference. | ||
| It has shifted left. | ||
| Correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
| But President Trump, and part of it's anti-Semitism, but it's deeper into that. | ||
| It gets to your book. | ||
| It's anti-the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| It's anti-Western civilization. | ||
| His confrontation with Harvard and the confrontation with the big law firms and the confrontation on judicial supremacy, isn't that one thing? | ||
| Right? | ||
| It's connected. | ||
| Harvard and these places are the breeding ground of it. | ||
| The law firms is where it gets exacerbated and they get promoted and then these neo-Marxists get into the judiciary. | ||
| And this is why we have the problem. | ||
| And so the assault on those, or I should say the confrontation of those, is actually a fundamental fight about the direction of this country and who actually controls this country, sir. | ||
| Yeah, so Harvard is the tip of the spear, literally, actually, because, I mean, let's think about the affirmative action litigation that reached the Supreme Court just two years ago in 2023. | ||
| That case was Students for Fair Admissions versus Harvard College. | ||
| I mean, Harvard lost that case, Steve. | ||
| They have not exactly responded in kind. | ||
| But when President Trump signed probably his single most dynamic and paradigm-shifting executive order of his entire presidency so far, and he signed a lot, to be clear. | ||
| But in my opinion, it was that DEI executive order on January 20th that, among other things, interpreted the affirmative action case, the Students for Fair Emissions case of 2023. | ||
| It interpreted that as banning DEI in general and any thumb on the scale that would discriminate against white people, Asian people, Christians, Jews, Mormons, essentially against anyone in this neo-Marxist dichotomy, as you say, between oppressors and oppressed. | ||
| And to tie it into my book, Israel and Civilization, yes, this is part of the broader assault on the West for numerous reasons. | ||
| But I argue in the book, Steve, that the singular underlying ethical underpinning of all that we call Western civilization of the entire biblical worldview, the entire biblical inheritance, if I had to really pinpoint – In my humble opinion, it would be Genesis 127. | ||
| So in Latin, that would be Imago Dei. | ||
| In Hebrew, we would say, This is the imperative that God made man in his own image, male and female, he created them. | ||
| This is the undergird for all of Western civilization. | ||
| You know, when John Locke They weren't writing these things in a vacuum. | ||
| They were talking about the inalienable equal dignity and human worth of human beings there because they were writing in a certain contextual milieu there. | ||
| And that is Genesis 127. | ||
| That is the Bible, the Judeo-Christian tradition more broadly speaking there. | ||
| When you abandon that, when you abandon Genesis, when you abandon Genesis, That's at least what I argue in my book. | ||
| And talk to me. | ||
| We've got a minute or two. | ||
| I want to hold you through the break because I want to get into this Persian situation. | ||
| Talk to me. | ||
| How does that play out now, about the defense of Western civilization? | ||
| How's it playing out in what's happening at Harvard, the big law firms, and this judicial insurrection? | ||
| Well, the big law firms have increasingly become just a total cancer on the body politic. | ||
| I mean, these people have been at war with anything remotely resembling Americanism or Westernism for decades. | ||
| I mean, I remember Jenner and Block, which is one of the many big law firms that Donald Trump has appropriately gone after. | ||
| I remember Jenner and Block back during the Bush administration. | ||
| This was back when I was in high school. | ||
| I mean, they became infamous nationwide for defending al-Qaeda terrorists at Gitmo and doing it on a pro bono basis. | ||
| I mean, you know, this is subversive behavior. | ||
| I mean, this is domestic fifth column behavior there. | ||
| These are not people that are ultimately out to serve the common good. | ||
| They are ultimately out to tear down. | ||
| I think fundamentally that is what is happening there. | ||
| And Donald Trump, as in many other instances, I think is fundamentally seeking to uphold the Americanist and Western worldview. | ||
| Can you hang on for a second? | ||
| Josh, I just want to hold you to the break. | ||
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| Short break. | ||
| Hammer on the other side. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann. | |
| Josh, first of all, a couple of people in the engine room asked, why are you not in the White House or why are you not volunteering to be special counsel that President Trump needs to prosecute the deep state? | ||
| I know your work at Article 3 is important. | ||
| In your columns and all that, but why are you not in the White House, sir? | ||
| I've never been asked that point blank, Steve, to be honest with you. | ||
| I live in Florida. | ||
| I don't even live in Washington, D.C. You know, look, I'm always happy to take a phone call if someone wants to, you know, inquire. | ||
| You know, without revealing too many details, I did have... | ||
| But, you know, Steve, on a personal level, we just had our first baby, our first daughter in December. | ||
| My in-laws live here. | ||
| So living in Florida is kind of best for not just professional, but also just very personal reasons right now. | ||
| So I don't necessarily see it happening, but I'm always happy to answer the phone if someone wants to call. | ||
| You've written this incredible book about Israel and the civilization, Israel in the West. | ||
| A guy I know you know well, a guy I admire, one of the smartest guys about the Constitution, the single smartest guy named Mark Levin. | ||
| There's a big, you know, I guess disagreement you could say. | ||
| Kristi Noem goes over to deliver the message to Netanyahu once again. | ||
| President Trump's got Witkoff. | ||
| They got a plan. | ||
| They're going to go down and negotiate. | ||
| It's either verification or it's a dismantling. | ||
| We don't know the details of it yet, but there's no support. | ||
| Whatsoever of American involvement, but not even support of Israel doing it on its own. | ||
| This is getting to be a bigger and bigger firestorm the other day. | ||
| We had Rabbi Walicki giving one side a couple of days ago. | ||
| Then we had Kurt Mills over the American Conservative giving the other side. | ||
| I mean, is Netanyahu's just the inability to read the room? | ||
| Because you know President Trump as well as anybody on this issue. | ||
| We haven't had a more pro-Israel president ever than President Trump. | ||
| He's got Huckabee over there as his ambassador. | ||
| But he's got a very set way he's looking to do this, particularly in the overall arc from Kursk to Kiev to the whole arc of instability. | ||
| The last thing he wants is more gunfire, bombing, or kinetic activity. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Well, there's lots to unpack here, of course. | ||
| So I watched your entire exchange, Steve, with Rabbi Wolicki. | ||
| Rabbi Wolicki is also a friend of mine. | ||
| So I watched the entire exchange. | ||
| I thought it was great. | ||
| I thought you guys both made very good points. | ||
| You mentioned Mark Levin. | ||
| Mark's a friend as well. | ||
| I'm friends with both of you guys there. | ||
| Look, this is a tough issue. | ||
| This is a tough issue partially because it's been around for a long time. | ||
| I mean, we've been hearing about Iran's nuclear program for probably 25, 30 years now. | ||
| I mean, arguably even further than that. | ||
| And there have been some people who have been calling for direct military action, people like John Bolton in that category, for probably close to 15 years or so. | ||
| I mean, who am I to say that now is really the time? | ||
| I mean, I simply don't get the president's daily briefing. | ||
| I don't get the intelligence that the U.S., Israel, or any other country does. | ||
| I have no idea, frankly, just how close Iran is to actually getting enough enriched uranium to be able to put it on a warhead. | ||
| So that's not really my position, frankly, to be able to judge here. | ||
| Here are a few things I will say. | ||
| One, Steve, that I will say is I have never once ever in my entire adult life Never. | ||
| I have never said that. | ||
| It's not my book. | ||
| It's not my stance. | ||
| I've never once said it. | ||
| My stance was actually essentially what Donald Trump did the first time around. | ||
| I thought that the so-called maximum pressure campaign was actually working quite well on the mullahs, bringing them to essentially close to the brink of bankruptcy. | ||
| You definitely could begin by re-upping sanctions on their oil and natural gas exports. | ||
| I heard you and Eric Bolling talking about that a little bit at the beginning of the show when it comes to the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| That's the number one importer of Iranian oil there. | ||
| When it comes to the ongoing diplomacy between the— Look, like literally any other American, any other America First MAGA patriot, I strongly prefer diplomacy to anything else. | ||
| But, you know, again, to go back to what Eric was saying, and I think that you would agree with this, Steve, you know, you're dealing here with the most deceitful people on the face of the earth. | ||
| I mean, the Mullahs have been lying to the United States, to everyone, like literally everyone for 25, 30 years. | ||
| They go to extraordinary lengths to hide the progress of their nuclear program. | ||
| It's not quite an existential threat to America. | ||
| It's definitely a threat to America. | ||
| This regime has had American blood on its hands going back at least as far as an event that formed the regime, the Jimmy Carter-era hostage crisis. | ||
| They chant death to America in their Potemkin legislature every single day. | ||
| So you don't want these guys to get a nuke. | ||
| Now, if it can be done via diplomacy, I'm all in for that. | ||
| I am simply skeptical of the nature of the counterparty. | ||
| But let's see what happens. | ||
| It's still ongoing right now. | ||
| This exact time is, you know, let Donald Trump chew. | ||
| I mean, let him burn. | ||
| Let's see what happens. | ||
| But you bring up something, and I don't hear that at the forefront today. | ||
| This is why I keep banging the table. | ||
| Go back to the maximum pressure campaign. | ||
| This is what President Trump and a team, and I was part of that, came up the first time because as a young naval officer, I was there at the beginning in the workup to the hostage crisis. | ||
| Right, when our destroyer squadron got called over there when the hostages were taken. | ||
| And it was all new territory. | ||
| I mean, the United States had no assets. | ||
| This is why giving up Diego Garcia, like the British did, is such a body blow. | ||
| But the maximum pressure campaign was bringing the mullahs to its knees and causing amazing dissension inside of Persia, where the Persian people said, we've had enough of this. | ||
| Why are we not dissenting? | ||
| I do agree with that, and I would like to see that dramatically escalate. | ||
| Now, Biden took a lot of sanctions off of Iran, as we know. | ||
| He funded the mullahs. | ||
| There was that absurd exchange of five American hostages for $6 billion, literally $1.2 billion of hostages. | ||
| That was in September 2023, just a few weeks prior to the October 7th pogrom in Israel. | ||
| So Joe Biden undid a lot of the Donald Trump first-term-era maximum pressure campaign. | ||
| Trump has put some new sanctions onto Iranians. | ||
| Weapons manufacturers, arms dealers, things like that there. | ||
| But there is a lot left to do. | ||
| There is a lot of meat left on that bone, so to speak. | ||
| The easiest way to make this regime hurt is energy. | ||
| This is essentially a petroleum-led country. | ||
| They don't really have a whole lot of advanced industries, advanced technologies, really anything there. | ||
| This is not even the UAE or Bahrain. | ||
| I mean, another country in that part of the world that is still primarily oil and natural gas driven there, but also has banking, financial services there. | ||
| No, Iran is really to this day a country whose economy – And it seems to me like kind of a very low-hanging fruit proposition. | ||
| You can kind of get a two for the price of one if you just sanction the utter crap out of their oil and natural gas exports there. | ||
| Again, China's the number one importer there. | ||
| I would very much like to see that happen right now. | ||
| Here's what I will say. | ||
| I don't know exactly how you do that simultaneously with the ongoing negotiations there. | ||
| I mean, so those two things don't necessarily go together so easily there. | ||
| it's probably achievable, but I share your point, Steve. | ||
| It's not like we do nothing or we do like a Barack Obama, JCPOA, give them a nuke, or on the other hand, you do regime change. | ||
| I mean, it's not an A or B proposition there. | ||
| There was a very, very, very large sweet spot somewhere in the middle. | ||
| It seemed to me like the first Trump term era maximum pressure campaign really kind of hit that sweet spot. | ||
| Josh, where do people get your writings and where can they get the book? | ||
| So the book is Israel and Civilization, The Fate of the Jewish Nation, The Destiny of the West. | ||
| It's available at Amazon, Barnes& Noble, wherever you get your books. | ||
| I'm on xjosh__hammer. | ||
| Instagram is joshbhammer. | ||
| And then my show, The Josh Hammer Show, is available everywhere podcasts are available. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
| Appreciate you taking the time today. | ||
| Anytime, Steve. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| The convergence of these crises is going to be – because remember, it's 10 years ago on June 15th. | ||
| That President Trump came down the golden escalator. | ||
| People remember at CPAC that took place just 100 days before. | ||
| I'm talking about the CPAC in 2015. | ||
| Donald Trump, I think, came in seventh at just over 3%. | ||
| I think he had 3.5%. | ||
| And this is how he had been. | ||
| It was right before Super Tuesday. | ||
| That's in 2015. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Not Super Tuesday. | ||
| Super Tuesday was later. | ||
| But he was already out. | ||
| He had been in Iowa. | ||
| He'd been in New Hampshire. | ||
| They'd been in South Carolina. | ||
| Had that huge event. | ||
| They brought all the candidates together at the Sherman Theater in Iowa. | ||
| President Trump was out and about. | ||
| I think 7th at 3.5%. | ||
| He finished on the... | ||
| After he goes to the escalator and actually addresses the American people, and people realize MAGA and so many of the—I think at Breitbart we had five or six people there that covered wall-to-wall. | ||
| That night he went to number one, and except for Dr. Ben Carson coming close in kind of a tie in a poll that took place a couple months later, President Trump was always in first place. | ||
| Why? | ||
| He addressed the American people in a nomenclature and with ideas that they talked amongst themselves or thought, but nobody had the political courage ever to talk about. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| It's the program that he is fighting for every single day. | ||
| That was 10 years ago, a decade. | ||
| We've gone through a decade together. | ||
| And those of you that were with us before... | ||
| that come from behind victory against Hillary Clinton, that the massive revolt of the deep state and the nullification project in his first term and the fight he had every day there. | ||
| The pandemic unleashed by the Chinese Communist Party to stop the economic flourishing that President Trump had against all odds. | ||
| The stolen election of 2020. | ||
| In fact, as I said today, I was talking to people at the New York Post. | ||
| The heroic nature of the New York Post printing the laptop from hell and everything that involved in Joe Biden on national TV debate lying, bald-faced lie in the crushing of the New York Post. | ||
| By Facebook. | ||
| By Twitter at the time. | ||
| By all the social media accounts. | ||
| Then the stealing of the 2020 election. | ||
| The fight thereafter. | ||
| President Trump then leaving to go to Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| You remember essentially the political nuclear winter of that early part of 2021 when Fox News would never even put him up. | ||
| And they wouldn't cover him live because they feared he would talk about the stolen election. | ||
| The long journey back. | ||
| To the 24 primary. | ||
| And his victory then. | ||
| And then this hand-to-hand combat in 2024 to win a sweeping victory across the board. | ||
| This is all historic. | ||
| Over a decade. | ||
| And you have been an activist. | ||
| Some of you just recently adjoining or recently coming to the show. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Many of you hear from the beginning. | ||
| You're like veterans of the American Revolution. | ||
| You understand this is a revolution. | ||
| All that, everything that happened in that decade, 10 years of your life, is just a preamble for what's about to happen. | ||
| Because now we're in it, folks. | ||
| And you see the convergence of the kinetic part of the Third World War and what he's trying to do on peace. | ||
| You see what's happening on trying to stop the invasion, which he has stopped. | ||
| Didn't take a decade. | ||
| Didn't take Lankford's bill. | ||
| It took a man that had an idea and a plan and executed it in 60 days. | ||
| To stop that now is to deport the invader. | ||
| The fight he's getting by the globalist elite to still run this country. | ||
| Don't think we run it. | ||
| We have a foothold and we have a man, a leader, that is making decisions that are Herculean. | ||
| This is why I say, with all his imperfections, he's at the level of General Washington, he's at the level of Lincoln, and you have Trump. | ||
| Then you got a next lot down, you got Reagan, you got FDR, you got Teddy Roosevelt, and now there's Jackson. | ||
| But at that top three, you have the birth of the nation, you have the rebirth of the nation, and you have the rejuvenation and the salvation of the nation. | ||
| And now we're in it. | ||
| The next couple of hundred days, as all of this converges, an economic and financial crisis, a constitutional crisis, and a kinetic third world war that's now upon us. | ||
| And upon the shoulders of one man to stop, the history that's going to be made in the next couple of hundred days will be talked about for the next couple of hundred years. | ||
| Short break. | ||
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We rejoice when there's no more. | |
| Let's take down the CCP. | ||
| It's so early does make you ask the question, is he sending a message to others? | ||
| Hey, listen, if you want something, just. | ||
| Be really vocal about all the good that I'm doing. | ||
| Give me a reason to help you by helping me. | ||
| I think that's absolutely right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's so funny because you don't really hear him talking about draining the swamp too much anymore because he has fully embraced the swamp down in Washington. | ||
| It's also quite funny that he tries to present himself as somebody who's interested in serious criminal justice reform when, as you point out, it's mostly about flattering. | ||
| It's about consolidating his power and also having all the countries come to him to make a deal so he can be, to borrow from George W. Bush, the decider in these instances. | ||
| But the Trump administration is a mass incarceration administration, and that should not go unsaid when he's trying to position himself as anything but that. | ||
| Pam Bondi is a former lobbyist for a private prison company. | ||
| Tom Holman, his border czar, is also heavily involved in private prisons financially. | ||
| And so this is not an administration that actually wants to take on criminal justice reform. | ||
| They are warehousing immigrants as we speak without due process. | ||
| This is the bald-faced lies they tell. | ||
| And this is why they're losing. | ||
| She's a bald-faced liar. | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| has done more on prison reform and work with prisoners and is more anti-mass incarceration. | ||
| The Democratic Party, and I say to somebody who's in prison, and you talk to the black and Hispanic prisoners, they'll tell you. | ||
| On August, on September 26th, and Grace, we should put this up because you were involved in this, in prison, I put the only statement I think I ever put out in prison about the coming victory over Kamala Harris. | ||
| You know where I got that from? | ||
| The prisoners. | ||
| Because Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party and that young lady right there, they represent mass incarcerations. | ||
| What he's doing with illegal aliens is not mass incarceration. | ||
| That's deportation of people that have no depressors rights and are going to get the hell out of this country. | ||
| President Trump, the first step act, asked the prisoners, ma 'am, have you interviewed the prisoners? | ||
| His first step act is the boldest move ever against mass incarceration. | ||
| Remember, the Democratic Party, and particularly the progressive part of the Democratic Party, have been for mass incarceration. | ||
| And you know who knows that? | ||
| The families of prisoners. | ||
| What President Trump is for is mass deportation of illegal aliens, and they're going to get mass deported. | ||
| For you to sit there, and Katie Tur, now for you to correct that bald-faced lie, and that was a bald-faced lie, and Katie Tur, you know better. | ||
| This is how corrupt MSNBC is. | ||
| This is why they're kind of, no offense, becoming more and more irrelevant. | ||
| This is why African-American men are voting for President Trump in the MAGA movement in record numbers. | ||
| This is why the Hispanic community is coming to President Trump in the MAGA movement in record numbers. | ||
| This is why Starr County, Texas, where we lost by 60 points to Hillary Clinton in 2016, President Trump won by 16 points in 2024. | ||
| A county that's hardscrabbled. | ||
| With working class Hispanics right there on the border, that's 97% Hispanic, 97% Hispanic. | ||
| No, President Trump is 100% against mass incarcerations. | ||
| What he is for is the First Step Act, to try to cut these ridiculously long prison sentences they get from woke federal judges. | ||
| So don't sit there and tell me he's for that. | ||
| That is a bald-faced lie, and you, ma 'am, are a bald-faced liar. | ||
| If you don't believe me, go to a federal prison and talk to the inmates. | ||
| Mike Lindell joins us. | ||
| Mike Lindell, you're going up against this system in what they call the trial of the century. | ||
| Is it really the trial of the century, Mike Lindell? | ||
| Do you got a shot of winning? | ||
| Are you going to get smoked in court in Colorado, sir? | ||
| We are going to win, Steve. | ||
| And it's all come down to this. | ||
| We're the only ones that have went all the way to jury trial now. | ||
| And remember, they went after my pillow. | ||
| My pillow is being sued. | ||
| We're the only company that's being sued. | ||
| This is about right to free speech and everything else. | ||
| This is going to be the gateway to secure our elections. | ||
| I really believe that. | ||
| It's one of the most important cases in history. | ||
| We're going to look back on it even a year or two from now and go, wow, if that wouldn't have happened in Colorado on June 2nd of 2025 with Mike Lindell, my pillow. | ||
| We wouldn't get to where we're going to get to because we've got to secure our elections before these midterms. | ||
| These midterms are the most important midterms in history. | ||
| You see all the attacks right now, then the lies coming out. | ||
| Steve, I spent time in the prisons around Texas and giving them pillows and everything and doing speeches there with my recovery network. | ||
| And you're spot on, all of them. | ||
| All of them are, you know, the Democrats and stuff that have put the prisoners in there. | ||
| And with that, back in the 90s even, I mean, back then when they did, you know, they had all the, I was a crack cocaine user, so I know all of the people that went in for 10 years and stuff for that. | ||
| And so, you know, there's lies, lies, lies, but they've weaponized the system against us. | ||
| The FBI came at me. | ||
| They still have my phone. | ||
| For four and a half years now, we've been fighting them. | ||
| They've been attacking me every single day. | ||
| And Donald Trump's in power. | ||
| Why are they still attacking? | ||
| Because they don't want to secure our election. | ||
| They want to have a free-for-all. | ||
| They don't want to have paper ballots hand-counted. | ||
| And we are going to win. | ||
| Take that to the bank. | ||
| Looking forward to it. | ||
| We're going to do live coverage of the press conference and the start of the trial. | ||
| On Monday, live from Colorado with the great Colorado team of Real America's Voice. | ||
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| Mike, good on you. | ||
| Okay, next hour, we're going to get down to it even deeper. | ||
| Brian Costello, Joe Allen, come back, join me about the coming apocalypse on jobs. |
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