May 30, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| Mr. Holtman, I'm going to count this as a highlight recently. | ||
| I know the work that you've done. | ||
| You're really one of the people that are moving AI. | ||
| And now it's an opportunity. | ||
| I was excited to meet you. | ||
| And now people ask me if you're going to talk about AI. | ||
| And now I get to ask you. | ||
| I mean, like the literal, the expert. | ||
| Some people are worried about AI or whatever, and I'm like, what about the singularity? | ||
| So the people like that, if you would address that, please. | ||
| Thank you, Senator, for the kind words and for normalizing hoodies in more spaces. | ||
| I'd love to see that. | ||
| I am incredibly excited about the rate of progress, but I also am cautious, and I would say, like, I don't know. | ||
| I feel small next to it or something. | ||
| I think this is beyond something that we all fully yet understand where it's going to go. | ||
| This is, I believe, among the biggest, maybe it'll turn out to be the biggest technological revolutions humanity will have ever produced. | ||
| And I feel privileged to be here. | ||
| I feel curious and interested in what's going to happen. | ||
| But I do think things are going to change quite substantially. | ||
| I think humans have a wonderful ability to adapt, and things that seem amazing will become the new normal very quickly. | ||
| We will figure out how to use these tools to just do things we could never do before. | ||
| And I think it will be quite extraordinary. | ||
| But these are going to be tools that are capable of things that we can't quite wrap our heads around. | ||
| And some people call that, you know, as these tools start helping us to create next and future iterations. | ||
| Some people call that singularity. | ||
| Some people call that the takeoff. | ||
| Whatever it is, it feels like a sort of new era of human history. | ||
| And I think it's tremendously exciting that we get to live through that and we can make it a wonderful thing. | ||
| But we've got to approach it with humility and some caution. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| Mega Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance. | ||
| It's Thursday, 29 May, Euroville, 2025. | ||
| Two of my favorite people and both experts, one a practitioner, the other a theoretician on artificial intelligence, Brian Costello, the practitioner, and Joe Allen. | ||
| The philosopher theoretician will join us. | ||
| Brian, you're in this day-to-day. | ||
| Are we in the Big Bang? | ||
| Elon Musk is talking about it. | ||
| Are we in the Big Bang phase of artificial intelligence now as far as exploding knowledge and understanding of this, at least technologically, to drive technological progress? | ||
| And since you're the one economic nationalist, populist, That I think is in this space. | ||
| There may be others, but you're the most vocal. | ||
| Are we heading down a path that you see that this can actually be done from a populist perspective and avoid a white-collar, job-killing apocalypse, sir? | ||
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So yes, I think we are in a big bang. | |
| We're seeing these models get more sophisticated. | ||
| As Joe talked about earlier on the show, you're starting to see these. | ||
| Agents come out, which replace a lot of work in terms of the humans. | ||
| And I think what you generally see here, what's happening with us, Steve, is we're seeing 10, 15 years of innovation be consolidated down to months. | ||
| What used to take a year from a software development standpoint with like a whole big team, machines can do in hours and days better than humans can. | ||
| So that's certainly a big bang. | ||
| And there's a lot of changes there. | ||
| To your second question, We're not headed down the right path right now. | ||
| There are, I think, 10 companies that control 90% of the AI infrastructure. | ||
| We're seeing a lot of announcements in terms of investment into AI, but what you're not seeing in those announcements is jobs. | ||
| You're seeing a lot of announcements into capital and AI factories, and there will certainly be the construction jobs and the jobs in the short term around that build this AI infrastructure out. | ||
| But you're not seeing a lot of employment commitments towards that. | ||
| So we really need to step back and we need to look at this and say, like, okay, we're not even asking the right question now, is how do we make AI work for the American people? | ||
| Right now the question is, how do we do big deals for big businesses? | ||
| But we're not stepping back and saying, how do we make this work for everybody in America? | ||
| And I don't think the answer is universal basic income. | ||
| I think there's other strategies we could take. | ||
| Okay, let's hear those because what we're hearing This deal in UAE to build these data centers is pretty shocking that there's going to be another node outside the United States. | ||
| We have Dave Walsh on here all the time talking about the massive energy needs. | ||
| You've got deal after deal after deal. | ||
| And, of course, President Trump cut off chips to China, which sounds to me kind of like cutting off oil to Japan in 1941. | ||
| I fully support it. | ||
| I'm saying you just got to be ready for the blowback. | ||
| But nobody but you, Brian Costello, are talking at all. | ||
| And this is why Costello is so important. | ||
| You're the first guy to give me a heads up and say, hey, look, there's two models here. | ||
| One model is efficiency. | ||
| And of course, Wall Street loves that because that means cut jobs, higher margins. | ||
| This efficiency model goes back way before AI to other investment opportunities, particularly offshoring jobs. | ||
| And then what you call the productivity creative model. | ||
| That they're not pursuing. | ||
| So walk us through, because, brother, as you know, to get this pointed in the right direction or to bend the arc here is going to be a Herculean task, since the accelerationists are in charge of the Big Bang, brother. | ||
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Yeah, let's, I mean, listen, I'll walk, I mean, what I have good insight into, Steve, is what China's doing here, right? | |
| So what China did is they open sourced their models. | ||
| There's two companies, DeepSeek and Quinn. | ||
| So they gave the access to AI to everybody. | ||
| They open sourced the technology behind robotics in a firm called Utitrade. | ||
| And then they launched a $1 trillion CCP guidance fund to guide all the private capital into these are the areas and the segments we want to win, right? | ||
| And so China kind of aligned a strategy around it. | ||
| And you have to appreciate when they've kind of focused on an industry they wanted to be a leader in, you know, they've done it, right? | ||
| What we're doing is we're letting the free market. | ||
| The biggest tech companies just buy up all the AI infrastructure, and then you're seeing companies like Tesla and Google, Google through Waymo, and Tesla through its RoboTaxi that's launching, go to replace the Uber and Lyfts that employ a lot of the people. | ||
| So you say, okay, AI is bad, but what we could see and what we need to start seeing is, how does somebody create an Uber or Lyft with drivers that AI is the whole backend and ports more money into the drivers' pockets? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Those are the types of things we need to see. | ||
| Let's go back. | ||
| You say free market. | ||
| You see, Costello knows my trip bars. | ||
| You say free market. | ||
| But in a sense, it's actually, as you said, 10 companies, and I would actually say probably weighted to the top five or six, 10 companies control right now, in your estimate, 90% of the AI infrastructure, correct? | ||
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Yeah, and they also happen to be 30% to 40% of the AI. | |
| And guess what? | ||
| They're making all these AI announcements and investments and their employment's not going up. | ||
| And it's why? | ||
| Because they're investing in capital and they're investing in AI and they're investing in automating the jobs away. | ||
| So that's the efficiency model, automating the jobs away. | ||
| Do you see any way, what needs to be done to bend to your model, which is the productivity? | ||
| The productivity, the creative slash productivity model. | ||
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So we need to have the conversation. | |
| Then we need to look at what are the industries where AI can help us that we don't have today that are additive, right? | ||
| And I would argue we even need to get down at the county level, Steve. | ||
| I think we have 3,100 counties in the country. | ||
| And the counties now have abilities to – they need to look at where the money is being sucked out of the county. | ||
| You know, from their people into the big tech and how do they execute strategies locally around this, right? | ||
| So we need to look at, so the problem is our free market or what we call our free market, right, likes to go where there's the least amount of friction, right? | ||
| And the least amount of friction in AI right now is replacing jobs. | ||
| It's not building net new industries. | ||
| It's automating away workers in existing things. | ||
| So we need to look at how do we align capital. | ||
| And form capital and net out of industries, the robotics, the automation, bringing them in. | ||
| You know, here's the reality. | ||
| Manufacturing is highly automated now, right? | ||
| Like, it's gone a lot away from cheap labor, right? | ||
| So we're fooling ourselves to think, you know, somebody up in Boston is then going to be employed in a factory down in, you know, on the Mexico border in Texas. | ||
| Like, it's just not going to happen, right? | ||
| So we need to look at it. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| But this is why in the Big Beautiful Bill, they slipped in that no states, you talk about the counties, they're powerless because we slipped into the Big Beautiful Bill that no state, no state can have authorization over federal law to do anything here. | ||
| So when you talk about the county level, that's kind of meaningless, isn't it? | ||
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I think the way it's structured right now, we need to have the conversation. | |
| The counties need to look at things and say, okay, the cost of building technology is essentially zero. | ||
| It's the access to the infrastructure, right? | ||
| So they could be building their own Uber Eats locally. | ||
| And keeping the money there instead of sucking all the money out to all these big tech oligarchs. | ||
| So you have strategies you can execute now at the local and the county level in terms of technology and facilitating things in that environment. | ||
| I'm a big believer. | ||
| This is controversial, but I put an AI plan in when President Trump asked for it. | ||
| We need a fund at the national level that invests locally. | ||
| It doesn't just put all the money in Silicon Valley. | ||
| It turns around and it helps the people of Iowa, the people of what – how do they figure out AI and how do they start things around agricultural in the local regions? | ||
| Because the reality is everybody – You do agree that this efficiency model is all focused on the cutting of jobs, correct? | ||
| On just taking out the labor part. | ||
| Whatever their business model for this industry, whatever industry they pick, it's all an efficiency model to basically, and this is how you get to the white collar apocalypse. | ||
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And we're seeing it right now, Steve. | |
| We're seeing record corporate profitability. | ||
| We're seeing job postings decrease, right? | ||
| And we're seeing the value of AI is basically going to the shareholders in these big companies, which is 15% of the market. | ||
| And candidly, when we have the foreign investors in, a lot of the value in AI and sucking value out of the country will go to other countries. | ||
| This is what you mean by, they were talking the other day that you could have not, you know, we're arguing about 1.7% growth versus two and a half or three. | ||
| You could have 10% actual GDP growth, but also have 10 to 15% unemployment, particularly among white-collar workers. | ||
| Is that correct? | ||
| Is that a potential? | ||
| That's a potential Listen, it's the guarantee, right? | ||
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We have companies now announcing huge CapEx spendings and this idea of, you know, NVIDIA announced their earnings last night. | |
| He's the biggest player in the space and announced AI factories, right? | ||
| What's AI factories? | ||
| That's, you know, when Wall Street cheers the fact that you're going to make a huge capital investment in technology, that means one thing. | ||
| Your employment's going to go down. | ||
| You're not going to hire the labor anymore. | ||
| So you're seeing it play out right now. | ||
| Before I turn to Joe, what else do you find important in NVIDIA's announcement last night? | ||
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Listen, I think that the growth rate is staggering. | |
| They're talking about it being $4 or $5 trillion. | ||
| Show how fast this is growing, right? | ||
| We've never seen a company... | ||
| And the infrastructure is incredibly important. | ||
| And candidly, as a country, we need – and I'm a little biased here because we're doing something here. | ||
| We need a diverse – like having one company control all the AI infrastructure in the world is not a good thing. | ||
| It's not a healthy thing. | ||
| This is our thing about going after the oligarchs. | ||
| How do you – This is what we're the lead on, and we're saying right now NVIDIA is something that, and the argument, oh, you can't do this because this is what's the bulwark against the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Clearly, NVIDIA is way too powerful right now. | ||
| No one company can have that type of market power in advanced chips, so what do you do about it? | ||
| You're a free market guy. | ||
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And they're going deeper in Taiwan. | |
| And we all know the geopolitical risks. | ||
| You covered early in the week, the geopolitical risks we have with China and actually in Taiwan. | ||
| And they're going deeper. | ||
| All NVIDIA stuff is made by Taiwan Semiconductor, TSMC, who's committing to do here. | ||
| So we need to be investing more as a country in infrastructure. | ||
| You know, so we have a variety of infrastructure in a different place there. | ||
| Do you think last night the Trump administration also banned any sale of, and the NVIDIA CEO's bellyaching about it, but they, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't they ban 100% any advanced chip design to be sold to the Chinese Communist Party? | ||
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They told the software companies that helped them do the chip design that they can't, there's three big players that they can't sell into China anymore. | |
| Candidly, I think that. | ||
| Is that the equivalent of cutting off the oil to Japan in July and August of 1941? | ||
| Because what's happening in Taiwan right now are not – they're not exercises. | ||
| They're rehearsals. | ||
| We've talked about this ad nauseum here, how these are rehearsals for the invasion of Taiwan. | ||
| Is what President Trump and the team did last night against the – you could tell the NVIDIA and the software companies opposed it. | ||
| Is this the equivalent of what happened in the summer of 1941 with the Japanese? | ||
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Listen, I think they're going to react and they'll probably overreact back. | |
| I think with AI, you can actually replicate building the software. | ||
| So the software is not as important as it once was and that they probably already had efforts to do that. | ||
| I mean, the thing that people need to understand on this is, you know, Xi was up in Russia a few weeks ago when Putin seemed to make his big pivot with Trump. | ||
| And if I'm Xi, I'm up in Russia and saying, hey, listen, you know, we've got huge efforts in AI to replace their biotech and pharmaceutical industry, their chip industry. | ||
| The automobile industry. | ||
| We can give Russia everything you need. | ||
| Keep your foot on the gas. | ||
| You don't need to back down. | ||
| I mean, we're missing that, you know. | ||
| In Ukraine. | ||
| You agree with me they were playing footsies like two teenagers on their first date? | ||
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Yeah, we're forgetting that she... | |
| Like, he's all meeting with the AI startups in China, right? | ||
| He's going up to Russia, basically, you know, on an anniversary of World War II and has his troops marching in a parade. | ||
| He wants them to stay on Ukraine. | ||
| And what he's promising to Putin, and what we now have that we never had with Russia in the last Cold War, is you have another economic power who's promising everything they need. | ||
| The last real big meeting – look, we spent two years negotiating a deal with them, Lighthizer did, that took out all the issues with the Chinese Communist Party, integrated them into the Western thing. | ||
| And in May of 2019, after two years of negotiation, after they had the first one, Belt One Road meeting, Putin comes – I think it was in Shanghai. | ||
| They spit in our face, rip it up, and say, hey, we're going to go it alone. | ||
| They decreed a people's war three weeks later and also decreed they're going to be technologically – They're going to uncouple. | ||
| We're not also uncoupling. | ||
| They're going to uncouple. | ||
| You come back, what, five years later, they're playing, six years later, they're playing footsie at the 80th commemoration of the victory in Europe Day, of which they got Chinese troops marching. | ||
| And since that time, people got to wake up. | ||
| What they've done in Ukraine is, and remember, we're 100% get out of the Ukraine war. | ||
| And we're a big believer in the Russian rapprochement to break them off of the CCP. | ||
| That's a lot harder today. | ||
| And I think you're 100% correct. | ||
| What she told me is that, hey, we got this AI thing covered. | ||
| You keep the pressure on in Ukraine. | ||
| And quite frankly, don't help the Americans get off of this Persian situation with the Israelis that want to go bomb. | ||
| Hang on a second. | ||
| So, Joe Allen, everything you've heard from a practitioner of Brian Costello, who's putting money to work every day in this area, your thoughts? | ||
| Steve, Brian, I think it's important for me to say first and foremost, some of my best friends are AI developers and cybersecurity experts. | ||
| So while I myself am very much kind of an anti-tech extremist, I think that it's important to remember that there is no one model for how to go forward into the future. | ||
| And you have the two extremes, right? | ||
| You have the one extreme all in on this sort of singularitarian, transhumanism. | ||
| I'm going to become a cyborg. | ||
| You have something much more on my wavelength of being extremely technical or extremely skeptical of all of these technical solutions for spiritual problems. | ||
| But there is this huge middle ground. | ||
| I still use phones. | ||
| I still use cars, right? | ||
| Nobody is a good Luddite. | ||
| You've never heard of them because they live in the woods. | ||
| You know, with Brian's efforts to steer AI and provide tools for people to survive in this environment that's being foisted upon us, I can't do anything but just say I support these efforts. | ||
| But one of my best friends, Justin Lang at Culture Pulse, is trying to do something very, very similar. | ||
| And others whom I can't mention on air. | ||
| And I think that this is going to be an important part of it. | ||
| You know, I don't mean to suck up all the oxygen with kind of anti-tech skepticism. | ||
| I think that's going to be one of the most important shields going forward for people morally and spiritually to have these cultural barriers. | ||
| But the reality is that much like Bitcoin provides some sort of alternative to fiat currency and much like, you know, natural remedies or generic drugs. | ||
| Stop, stop, stop. | ||
| Yo, yo. | ||
| What do you mean you're an extremist? | ||
| What do you mean you're extremists? | ||
| I don't hear anything extreme of that. | ||
| The extremists are Elon Musk and, hold it, Dario, look, we've got to get some definitions here for nomenclature. | ||
| The accelerationists are extremists. | ||
| You're not an extremist. | ||
| You're kind of trying to put common sense on this. | ||
| You're not an AI professional practitioner like Brian Costello putting money to work and managing companies, investing in companies that are at the cutting edge of AI. | ||
| But you're certainly, why you say you're extremist? | ||
| You're not an extremist. | ||
| The accelerationists are extremist. | ||
| Because it takes more, it takes 10 times more regulation on Capitol Hill in the Imperial Capitol to open a nail salon or a hair braiding operation than it takes on all of artificial intelligence. | ||
| They're the extremists and they've got a political class here that's bought off that is essentially stepping back and saying, hey, it's a free market, you know, just let go. | ||
| When it ain't the free market, because 90% of this has been underwritten by American taxpayer dollars through the universities and through the weapons labs and the national labs. | ||
| Joe Allen. | ||
| Well, you know, everybody has to draw their lines on how far they're going to go on all this, and my lines are drawn as close to the human as possible. | ||
| As a writer, I'm an absolutist. | ||
| I do not use AI for anything, for any of it. | ||
| As a reader, a researcher, I don't use AI for anything. | ||
| In fact, outside of seeing the AI overviews that are foisted on me, I don't use AI for anything. | ||
| But there are people who will. | ||
| I think that in the case of the extremists, Hang on, hang on. | ||
| It's their totalist, maximalist vision. | ||
| That is actually we're heading down the arc. | ||
| And one of the reasons is they have a totalist, maximalist vision, and you don't. | ||
| And I don't. | ||
| And I'm with you. | ||
| I don't use any AI in any reason. | ||
| And people I greatly admire have told me over the last month, they said, you're an idiot. | ||
| You've got to at least perplexity or take a pick. | ||
| You've got to at least get involved here so you understand it. | ||
| I'm an extremist in that right now because I can see what it's doing to people already. | ||
| But the maximalist and the accelerationist, they have a vision. | ||
| And they're pretty smart about rolling it out. | ||
| And you've got Brian Costello, who's like one small boat, right, in a sea of ocean liners and battleships and carriers that are all heading toward destination. | ||
| And that destination is a singularity. | ||
| You heard Altman right there, Fetterman, and God bless John Fetterman. | ||
| He asked the question every senator should have been asking. | ||
| What's the convergence point on this? | ||
| What leads up to it? | ||
| And then what comes after it? | ||
| And force Altman to answer the question. | ||
| Joe Allen. | ||
| Yeah, you know, outside of just the big picture, just on a practical level, and this is what Brian is talking about, on a practical level, what do you do? | ||
| You know, I think Max Tegmark makes a really good argument on this. | ||
| Future of Life Institute. | ||
| The audience should be well familiar with Max Tegmark at this point. | ||
| And he says that the key... | ||
| to AI regulation is to leave allowances for tool AI, AI that human beings are in control of, narrow AIs for medicine, narrow AIs for financial analysis, things like this. | ||
| What should be off the table is any AI that is out of human control, and I think that should include control of the populace, that the populace doesn't have a say in what is... | ||
| The populace should have a say as to what flies and what does not. | ||
| Okay, Joe, we've got to bounce. | ||
| Right now, where do people go? | ||
| Social media, all your works. | ||
| We'll continue this tomorrow. | ||
| At J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z and Jobot.X-Y-Z. | ||
| Thank you very much, Steve. | ||
| Thank you very much, Brian. | ||
| Brian, you're a lonely voice out there in the middle of this massive new post-industrial revolution. | ||
| Where do people go? | ||
| Your tour de feet is on fire about this, particularly the two models of efficiency versus creativity slash productivity. | ||
| Where do people go, Brian? | ||
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Yeah, thanks, Steve. | |
| It's on X. It's BP Costello. | ||
| Keep up the good work. | ||
| We're going to get back to you maybe tomorrow or the next day to go back more through this because the Axios articles, two of them, and then the Morning Joe hit on the coming white-collar apocalypse. | ||
| We ain't talking five years. | ||
| You're talking in six to twelve months. | ||
| It's a pun. | ||
| As I told you, you look at Cognizant, you look at IBM, you look at Microsoft, you look at McKinsey lays off 10%. | ||
| You look across the board of all these earnings announcements where they're talking laying off 5% to 10% of their workforce. | ||
| They don't want to say that AI is driving all of it. | ||
| All of it. | ||
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Summer, born in summertime. | |
| It's Alpha and Omega's kingdom come. | ||
| And the whirlwind is in the bone tree. | ||
| The virgins are all trimming their wigs. | ||
| The whirlwind is in the bone tree. | ||
| It's half of it to kick. | ||
| The whirlwind is in the bone tree. | ||
| Did you get laid yesterday? | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| I'm concerned that someone forgot to validate my time or something. | ||
| Oh, that's funny. | ||
| Paid, not laid. | ||
| There's no way he gets elected, Dash. | ||
| But I'm afraid we can't take that risk. | ||
| It's like an insurance policy. | ||
| God. | ||
| Hillary should win 100 million to zero. | ||
| Just went to a Southern Virginia Walmart. | ||
| I could smell the Trump support. | ||
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| Vomit, vomit, vomit. | ||
| You can come hang out in 4012 with me. | ||
| I have remnants of Cubota chips and salsa. | ||
| It's going to be a Clinton-Trump race. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| What? | ||
| Exclamation point, question mark, exclamation point, question mark, question mark, question mark. | ||
| LAUGHTER Please don't ever text me again Okay | ||
| Welcome back. | ||
| Two of my favorite people and two of the most creative people in the country, and particularly the MAGA movement, Phelan McAleer and Anne McElhenney. | ||
| You guys are filmmakers. | ||
| You also produce plays. | ||
| Of all the stuff you've done, I love all your material. | ||
| What you did, I think it was on the MOLA report, you did a live stage reading of it. | ||
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Yeah, and released it as a podcast. | |
| We also did the FBI Lovebirds. | ||
| You just saw the trailer there where we took the actual text messages of Struck and Page and their congressional... | ||
| The lovers. | ||
| Oh yeah, fantastic. | ||
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But also, it's teen romance meets John le Carrier, you know. | |
| Oh, Lisa, I love you. | ||
| Come on, I'll give you a debriefing in the quiet room. | ||
| And then let's take down Trump tonight. | ||
| Let's take down your panties and take down Trump tonight. | ||
| He went there. | ||
| Talk to me about this moment as creatives. | ||
| We've just finished. | ||
| We've been all over this AI. | ||
| You guys have always been at the cutting edge of filmmaking, particularly being independent filmmakers, always bootstrapping it. | ||
| Are we going to lose something of the creative talent of individual filmmakers with this AI? | ||
| We have the efficiency versus the productivity model? | ||
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There's a lot of people very scared. | |
| You're seeing that from people in Hollywood. | ||
| They're really worried. | ||
| Screenwriters are really worried. | ||
| Actors are worried. | ||
| I'm just seeing people like Zach Levy have written a lot about it. | ||
| He's been talking a lot about it. | ||
| People are worried about it. | ||
| However, I think we're still in a good place. | ||
| I think it's going to hurt bad filmmakers. | ||
| People who write by rote. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you can see that even more. | ||
| So 90% of broadcast TVs got problems. | ||
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You know, 90% of a lot of these industries, these so-called creative industries, are, let's say, 60% because a lot of it's bad. | |
| We used to go to the movies all the time. | ||
| We don't go now. | ||
| And I say go to the movies. | ||
| We'd say, let's go to the movies. | ||
| Let me say something really controversial. | ||
| I think the Tom Cruise latest edition of Mission Impossible is awful. | ||
| Controversial. | ||
| I screened the searchers for some people on the TCM. | ||
| We put it up on a bigger screen. | ||
| And they were absolutely stunned by the photography and the color. | ||
| And not just the acting. | ||
| The story is amazing. | ||
| And I told people, you can't make that film today. | ||
| They're so green screened. | ||
| The films look awful. | ||
| The DPs have lost it. | ||
| Technology has actually destroyed great Halloween filmmaking. | ||
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Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. | |
| This AI will wipe out bad filmmakers because it's... | ||
| So it'll make us hopefully all raise our game. | ||
| So we've got about... | ||
| I want people to get to know you and also support your work. | ||
| So talk to us. | ||
| What are you guys working on? | ||
| Because this moment in history will be remembered for 100 years. | ||
| We have, and obviously, we have never really built to creative chops. | ||
| We're trying to do it. | ||
| You guys have been always at the tip of the spear. | ||
| Where are we now in this historical moment? | ||
| What are you guys working on, and what do you need as far as help goes? | ||
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Well, I just wanted to say we're here because of Andrew Breitbart, as many of us are. | |
| We met Andrew in a bar. | ||
| 15 years ago, and he said, "Come to L.A." Never looked back. | ||
| Literally, it was Andrew Breitbart who encouraged us to come here. | ||
| Once in a generation talent. | ||
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The first time we met him was in Washington, D.C., and I had somebody yesterday describe Washington, D.C. as just a soup of mediocrity. | |
| And then in the middle of that, and you can imagine exactly that experience, Andrew walks into this room where everyone was wearing the typical uniform, you know, the D.C. uniform. | ||
| I was like, just bring me with you, you know? | ||
| And he basically said, yeah, you guys need to come to L.A. And we did come to L.A. And the first time we went to L.A., he introduced us to John Voight. | ||
| But do you remember the first time we met Andrew? | ||
| It was in that man's house, which has since burned down. | ||
| I won't say his name. | ||
| Yes, from the Palisades. | ||
| And Andrew was standing in front of his freezer saying, I'm thinking of setting up this website. | ||
| The question is whether I should call it after my name or not. | ||
| Because, like, you've got Drudge Report and Huffington Post and Breitbart. | ||
| And I was going, I don't know. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| I don't think Breitbart will work. | ||
| I literally said to him, I don't think you should call it Breitbart. | ||
| I was pretty adamant it had to be Breitbart. | ||
| Listen, he also got something very deep. | ||
| That nobody in politics got that culture is upriver from politics. | ||
| It drives the politics and it does it in a very powerful way. | ||
| It's one of the reasons we've been such a great fight and President Trump has changed the culture a lot. | ||
| But when we look at high culture and how that rolls down, and pop creative culture, we're still relatively nowhere. | ||
| We're getting there, and we've got leaders like yourselves. | ||
| So what do we need to do? | ||
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Well, there's a number of things. | |
| By the way, I'm just looking at the backdrop here, and it makes me think about, you know, we're looking at the image of Jesus there. | ||
| And I'm thinking, like, at this moment, what's the most evil thing right now? | ||
| That's threatening the whole world. | ||
| The most evil thing, we think, is the trans madness that is destroying children forever, making them infertile, making them sterile. | ||
| Isn't that a precursor to transhumanism? | ||
| Isn't that the preamble? | ||
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If you get people to think they can be anything and change anything right away from what their God-given genders and spirits— We're thinking of doing a documentary with a friend of yours, Miriam Grossman, who's just talking to her, and she basically said, please tell Steve I was asking for him. | |
| She is an amazing person, and I'll tell you one thing, it's like the hand of God, because we interviewed her last week, and then she came to Los Angeles, and she said, look, I've been thinking of making this documentary. | ||
| We're like, okay, we're in, you know, because what a great idea, and it's extraordinary. | ||
| What has happened to the medical establishment, how they've let everyone down, and I think that's what we've focused on. | ||
| And try to destroy her and the people that stood up. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| suddenly you lose your voice. | ||
| The pediatric... | ||
| It's really scary time for people. | ||
| Nobody can trust doctors now. | ||
| I mean, that's funny. | ||
| What really brought that home to me was the weird thing. | ||
| When they introduced medical marijuana in California, you had all these pop-up shops where doctors were in there signing prescriptions for people if they went in and said they had to throw back. | ||
| And I realized, my God, there's thousands of doctors who will do anything for money. | ||
| Yeah, we never knew that before. | ||
| It wasn't our experience. | ||
| Our families are full of doctors, so we're kind of, you know, they're the good ones. | ||
| And so when you add in ideology and the God-given complex, you know, I can change people. | ||
| I know what's best. | ||
| You should not trust your doctor, you know, or any doctor or any establishment. | ||
| If we take your film slate and we take your life theatre slate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Walk us through what you're working on, because we want people to go to your site, get to know you better, and particularly if they want to participate in funding this or helping produce it or being an executive producer. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| We're a 501c3, so anyone who does donate to us, we're a charity and tax deductible. | ||
| So it's tax deductible. | ||
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Tax deductible. | |
| I mean, one of the things that maybe a lot of people know us from is the Gosnell movie, which we wrote a New York Times bestselling book, and we had a movie with Dean Cain starring in the role of Detective Jim Wood, who found this extraordinary doctor. | ||
| Mengele character in West Philadelphia. | ||
| An abortion doctor. | ||
| He was a butcher. | ||
| The film was magnificent. | ||
| Hard to watch. | ||
| Because it drew you in as a great film, but the guy is so insane in the way he abused those people, that minority community. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| Remember, that came from a cover-up by the mainstream media. | ||
| There would be no Gosnell story if the media had covered it in the first place. | ||
| And this idea that the cover-up of Joe Biden is a shock to the media. | ||
| They have been putting their thumb on the scale for decades. | ||
| They're just getting exposed for it now. | ||
| And they covered it. | ||
| They didn't go and cover the Gosnell trial. | ||
| I mean, if it bleeds, it leads. | ||
| It had abortion, it had murder, it had a minority community. | ||
| It was Philadelphia, so you could just take the train from New York. | ||
| I mean, it wasn't like I was out in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| When you made that film with top talent, and you went to get it distributed, what was the response you got? | ||
| It was worse than Passion of the Christ, right? | ||
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It was incredible. | |
| And actually, we did distribute it in theatres, I think 700 theatres across the country. | ||
| But no one... | ||
| People wrote to us and told us. | ||
| They would arrive at a cinema, they'd have hired a bus and brought up a whole bunch of people to go and see the movie. | ||
| It wouldn't be up on the marquee. | ||
| The guy, people wrote and said that when they went to buy a ticket, the guy said, "You really want to see that? | ||
| I think you should go and see this thing instead." The list of things that happened, you know, we had the unions came after us, by the way, during the filming to try and shut the whole thing down. | ||
| We lost money there. | ||
| But I mean, unbelievable. | ||
| It was at every level of that film. | ||
| I think Marx was wrong. | ||
| It's wrong by many things. | ||
| You know, it's not who controls the means of production, certainly in entertainment. | ||
| It's who controls the means of distribution. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, because, you know, you know this yourself, Steve. | ||
| You've been banned from so many social media channels. | ||
| But when you went to distribute the movie, no distributor at all, although you could see the way to make money in this thing. | ||
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No, no, look. | |
| This was a world record crowdfunding. | ||
| We raised 2.3 million from, what was it, 70,000? | ||
| 30,000 people. | ||
| So we had 30,000 evangelical people who had literally put their money where their mouth was, right? | ||
| So that's opening weekend tickets right there. | ||
| That puts your top five. | ||
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Imagine if you had funded a movie. | |
| You'd invite five people with you, right? | ||
| You'd say, this is my movie. | ||
| Everybody's coming. | ||
| I'm paying, right? | ||
| And it's like, it's kind of guaranteed opening weekend, a massive box office. | ||
| And then... | ||
| No, no, they wouldn't. | ||
| No one would bite. | ||
| And that's because it was different times. | ||
| And I think the world is changing a little, you know. | ||
| But it's still, you're right. | ||
| And I think you said, what can we do? | ||
| We're not there. | ||
| I think we have to allow each other to fail. | ||
| And we have to allow each other to make bad. | ||
| The left have been making bad movies. | ||
| But you don't have that. | ||
| The problem is you don't have that. | ||
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The cushion. | |
| You don't have the cushion. | ||
| Every one of your things has to work. | ||
| They all have worked. | ||
| And you don't have the ability to make a couple of bombs. | ||
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I'm not talking about externally. | |
| I'm talking about internally. | ||
| The right are sometimes harder on. | ||
| Oh, big time. | ||
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Right culture. | |
| Oh, this is not proper culture. | ||
| You know, yes, if we had 40 years of experience making... | ||
| Or 50 years of experience making... | ||
| Because that's something that I've always, I never got the answer to this, but on the left, they really do believe in the arts. | ||
| And it's huge amounts of money has dropped. | ||
| On the right, it's really hard. | ||
| Like, look, I've spoken to donors many times in the past. | ||
| I don't really give money to movies. | ||
| And it's like, really? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Because movies will change people's lives. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, we've had people basically see the Gosnell movie. | ||
| I mean, people we actually know who are very pro-abortion who said, 90 minutes, they changed their mind about abortion. | ||
| It's the gospel of Andrew Breitbart. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Culture is upriver from politics. | ||
| It's more, it's not just getting people to vote one time. | ||
| It's changing. | ||
| It's having an awakening. | ||
| The way you do that is great culture. | ||
| And film can do that. | ||
| Particularly film where you sit in a theater. | ||
| And have, you know, it comes at you over it and have the communal experience of watching Gosnell. | ||
| And you've got young people coming out saying, I'm never going to let this happen again. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| And we've also got into the theatre, right? | ||
| Which is, we do verbatim theatre. | ||
| It's kind of a lefty, sacred space. | ||
| Yes, oh, I mean, you think Hollywood is lefty. | ||
| The theatre is the worst of all the arts, I think. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So we did Ferguson. | ||
| So we took the... | ||
| Never happened. | ||
| Never happened. | ||
| And most of the voices are black voices saying this never happened, that he attacked the police officer on several occasions. | ||
| And as one lady who spent months dodging a subpoena, but eventually was caught, and she had a black liberation tattoo on her arm, and she says, don't get me wrong. | ||
| I don't want to be here. | ||
| I don't want to do this. | ||
| I hate the cops. | ||
| But that guy, that guy was going to kill that cop. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And so we had the first rehearsal in L.A. Nine of the actors walked out after the first rehearsal. | ||
| And this is because the truth didn't match what they'd been told by the media and by the culture. | ||
| right so the Where do people go to get access to all your content? | ||
| UnreportedStorySociety.com UnreportedStorySociety.com And they get all the films, they get access to everything. | ||
| Go through your slate of what you're working on that you want to expose people to. | ||
| Say, hey, here's where we're going. | ||
| We've got a couple of minutes here. | ||
| Here's where we're going. | ||
| Is that also an unreported project in development? | ||
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Well, one of the fun things we want to do, by the way, is we want to bring FBI Lovebirds back to D.C. We think it would be really fun. | |
| For a stage play. | ||
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Yeah, for a stage play. | |
| And, you know, we could have some very interesting people in the starring roles. | ||
| And it could be a lot of fun because... | ||
| Yes, yes, yes. | ||
| Because it's an incredible story. | ||
| No offense. | ||
| Lance Cash is our buddy. | ||
| I mean, he was a contributor here for years. | ||
| And Bongino is a dear friend. | ||
| We love Bongino. | ||
| But, guys, we've got to step it up over there. | ||
| You agree with that? | ||
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No, totally. | |
| Look, we need to... | ||
| No, I agree. | ||
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Scorched earth. | |
| fair play to Elon Musk. | ||
| But you've done all the... | ||
| You've done all these. | ||
| Don't you think there's enough there to start a grand jury investigation just for what you've put in the theater? | ||
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Totally. | |
| But the, I think we need an explanation. | ||
| If we're not doing it, why we're not doing it. | ||
| It's dirty, dirty, dirty over there. | ||
| It's an echo chamber. | ||
| There's a lot of bad apples over there. | ||
| I don't know if the whole barrel is rotten at this stage. | ||
| They need a clean house. | ||
| They need to go in and maybe get rid of 50% of the operatives. | ||
| We're a believer of that. | ||
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When they were doing all that illegal stuff and the Russia hoax, both investigating the campaign and investigating the president, there was no whistleblower. | |
| Think about that. | ||
| And I don't know whether it's people were frightened or maybe they were true believers. | ||
| I think some people were frightened. | ||
| What are the two or three things you're trying to launch? | ||
| I want to make sure this audience gets invited. | ||
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FBI lovebirds. | |
| Here in D.C., have a really fun few nights. | ||
| We did a play called October 7. After the October 7 massacres in Israel, we went to Israel, interviewed about 20 people, and boiled it down to about 14 of the most dramatic stories of that day. | ||
| Some of them are connected. | ||
| Some of them are stand-alone stories. | ||
| All of them are tales of trauma, heroism. | ||
| Survival. | ||
| Resilience. | ||
| You staged that. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Could you stage it again? | ||
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That's what we'd really like to do. | |
| And bring it to D.C.? | ||
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unidentified
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Yes. | |
| And bring it to D.C.? | ||
| Wouldn't the protests be tremendous? | ||
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Excellent. | |
| And we'd like to bring it to Ireland, by the way. | ||
| Ireland. | ||
| I love my native country, but whoa. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Talk about not pro-Israel. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And as I said, we are the other thing we're working on. | ||
| Of course, the PLA did train the IRA. | ||
| There is some background there. | ||
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No, we have a relationship there. | |
| No, but look, Ireland has... | ||
| The cultural guys, firstly, they wouldn't let you guys come back. | ||
| If they told you, if you said, I guarantee you, we ought to announce that. | ||
| Okay, we're going to stage in Dublin. | ||
| Can we rent the Abbey Theatre? | ||
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We have history here. | |
| We've been there. | ||
| We wrote to them. | ||
| We had a very lengthy back and forth just to rent the place. | ||
| Because they're dark nights. | ||
| And by the way, they're desperate for money because all of their money comes from the government and they're still kind of in debt. | ||
| So, you know, rent the place out on a dark night. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| This play does not fit in with our artistic ambitions, which we haven't got an answer of what their artistic ambitions are, but we do know what their artistic ambitions were because what was on stage at the time was something made by a Palestinian poet whose ambition was the annihilation of Israel. | ||
| You know, so there you go. | ||
| So we know something about their artistic ambitions, but we weren't acceptable. | ||
| Could you get a theater here in Washington, D.C. to stage it? | ||
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We're trying. | |
| we're trying if anyone out there knows a theatre whose ownership For that, 14 actors. | ||
| And, funny, there are actors around who will act on this. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And they love it. | ||
| And they love it. | ||
| And, you know, some people are very, very passionate about it. | ||
| And quite high-profile actors as well, by the way, would act on this. | ||
| And it's incredible. | ||
| I really recommend people to go to our website and watch some of the clips from it. | ||
| It's really, really powerful. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then the trans thing, as I said, we are working on a documentary. | ||
| You don't pick any controversial topics, please. | ||
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No, no, but I think the trans thing, I think it's There's probably quite a bit of overlap, you know? | |
| Well, there 100% is. | ||
| Social media, first off, website again, social media. | ||
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Yeah, unreportedstorysociety.com and also on Twitter. | |
| I'm Anne McElhenney on Twitter. | ||
| Phelan is Phelan McElheer on Twitter. | ||
| And we are unreportedstorysociety on Twitter. | ||
| And we're kind of, you know, we're everywhere on social media. | ||
| So you won't have a problem finding us. | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| One more time, where do people go? | ||
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UnreportedStorySociety.com. | |
| Go to the October 7th The Play Instagram page, October7theplay.com. | ||
| You know, we want... | ||
| Look, there's no point in being in this fight if you're not going to fight. | ||
| If you're not getting hit over the head, you're not doing... | ||
| You're fighters. | ||
| You've always been a thing. | ||
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Thank you so much. | |
| You've never backed down. | ||
| All the stuff you could have done. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And you decided to take on the hardest topics. | ||
| What I love is that you had the theater, which is my first love. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| It's absolutely verboten. | ||
| There's no conservative. | ||
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No. | |
| Not voices at all. | ||
| Right. | ||
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There is in Hollywood. | |
| There's some conservative voices in Hollywood, but not in the theater. | ||
| It is completely taken over. | ||
| And I'd like to know why someday, but it's just... | ||
| But the night that we had FBI lovebirds in Washington, D.C., it was like... | ||
| It was a pantomime. | ||
| And coming from Ireland with Abby Thierry, Unbelievable. | ||
| Okay, we got to... | ||
| We'll be back in the war room. | ||
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See you then. | |
| Thank you. |
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