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Episode 4211: Freedom Of The J6 Hostages
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bishop mariann edgar budde
I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now.
There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and independent families, some who fear for their lives.
And the people, the people who pick our crops.
And clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat packing plants, who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals.
They may not be citizens or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.
They pay taxes and are good neighbors.
They are faithful members of our churches and mosques.
Synagogues, Wadara, and temples.
I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those in our communities whose children fear that their parents will be taken away, and that you help those who are fleeing war zones and persecution in their own lands to find compassion and welcome here.
Our God teaches us that we are to be merciful to the stranger.
For we will all want strangers in this land.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
donald j trump
The people have had a belly full of it.
steve bannon
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
donald j trump
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
It's Tuesday, 21 January, Year of the Lord 2025.
We got to get better advanced work.
of the work.
She's stranger in a strange land.
That is Reverend Marianne Budd?
Bud?
Bud?
Lecturing President Trump in the prayer service today.
We'll have more about that later.
I want to go to the prison.
unidentified
I want to go to the D.C. Gulag.
steve bannon
Our own Ben Burkwam's down there to release some prisoners.
And of course, a friend of the show, the great congressman from Arizona, Eli Crane.
Ben, I don't know if Eli's hooked up or not, but give me an assessment of what's happened this afternoon.
All the political prisoners, are the hostages, have they been released?
ben bergquam
No, Steve, they haven't.
Thanks for having us.
Congressman Crane got out here first thing this morning.
Congressman, you just got an update.
unidentified
Yeah, so thanks, Steve, for having us on.
We've been working the phones all day today.
First, we talked to the prison's public affairs officer.
Then I got connected to the U.S. Marshals, called them.
We've been trying to get these guys out of here all day long, but the last word we got was probably about 45 minutes ago.
15 of them are going to be released.
They're just waiting on the paperwork.
We were told that one of the federal marshals had to go and actually get the packets.
We don't know how long that's going to take, but keep in mind word and what we've been hearing has been changing all day long.
So I don't know that that's gospel truth, but that's the last bit of information we got.
steve bannon
So here's what I don't understand.
Congressman, how can the, you know, he's chief executive of the U.S. government, he's commander-in-chief of the U.S. Armed Forces, and he's chief magistrate and senior law enforcement officer of the government.
He signs pardons, he wants it done, people get it at 7 o'clock.
Why are we 24 hours later, these hostages have not been released, Congressman Crane?
unidentified
Yeah, Steve, I mean, there's a lot of speculation amongst those of us that want to see these individuals released to their families and loved ones.
You know, obviously, you know, there's the concern that there's political games being played, people actually dragging their feet intentionally, you know, to slow walk, you know, these efforts.
But I have talked to, when I talked to the U.S. marshal in particular today, he did tell us that, you know, Trump's executive order is being complied with.
He even sent a letter to my office saying that they've released 211, you know, federal inmates around the country.
I think these are the last ones that are outstanding.
So we are waiting on them.
So, you know, he also told me that, you know, the thing that was holding some of these guys up, you know, outside of the paperwork was if they had prior convictions or not.
And so, you know, that's the information that I've got today.
But, you know, Ben invited me out today.
I'm happy to be here, and I just wanted to come here and stand with these guys, show support and solidarity for these poor families and these guys that have been locked up for years.
steve bannon
Congressman, I know we've got limited time with you.
I have to ask, I know one of the things that I think really upset the president was a blanket pardon, preemptive pardons for the J6 committee, Benny Thompson, Cheney, and the staffs.
These are people that cause so much pain for everybody.
You know, all the J6 prisoners.
Of course, Navarro and I went to prison.
President Trump, I think, had 300 years coming from the criminal referrals from this committee.
Number one, why has the Speaker not moved to have a vote to shut down this committee and all its historic work?
And number two, do you think the congressman that took pardons, should they give up their seats in Congress, sir?
unidentified
Well, you know, I have heard that, you know, taking these pardons is an admission of guilt by some.
You know, as far as Speaker Johnson, I haven't been able to talk to him about that, Steve.
You know, today we've been focused solely on trying to get these guys out of jail.
But, you know, I'm always open to ideas.
I know I'm not the smartest guy in the room, and I'm just here to put my shoulder behind the wheel.
Weeks go by.
I know there will be plenty of work to be done, man.
So, you know, thanks for having us on the show, and thanks for covering this very important story.
steve bannon
We're going to get to Ben Berker in a second.
Last question.
Andy Biggs, the great friend of the show, I know a great friend and mentor to you, filed papers today to potentially run for the governor of Arizona.
Any thoughts on that, Congressman Crane?
unidentified
Yeah, I've got a lot of thoughts on it, Steve.
I've been trying to guilt him into running for this spot for a long time.
He's definitely the most qualified guy to do it.
I think Andy is the most conservative and probably the strongest member of the U.S. House.
He was also state president of the Senate in Arizona.
He knows Arizona.
He knows how the system works better than anybody.
I don't think anybody would do a better job.
He has my full support.
I know he has the support of the war room posse.
So, you know, thank you guys for supporting Andy, and I hope he pulls the trigger and goes all the way through with it.
steve bannon
So you're going to step up now and be one of the top budget...
If we're going to lose bigs, you're going to step up and fill his shoes on being one of the top budget hawks here.
I saw House Freedom Caucus proposed, gave the president a deal cap, you know, to undo the cap and the debt ceiling for two years past the midterm elections and $4 trillion of cap.
I do the math.
That's $2 trillion per year.
We're running right now on $1.92 trillion already this fiscal year.
We don't have a budget.
The Appropriation Committee is coming.
Are you guys implying by that, Eli, since you're going to step into Biggs' shoes, are you guys implying that Doge and Russ Vogt are going to get essentially no cuts over the next two years?
Is that what the $4 trillion cap means?
unidentified
Well, that's definitely not our plan, Steve, to not get any cuts out of it.
You know, I think that there's understanding within the House Freedom Caucus and within conservatives and the conference that, you know, we don't deal in universes of ideal, far from it.
You know, so I'm not going to celebrate anything that's going on up here.
What I will tell you is we're trying to get the best deal that we can for the American people.
And it's going to be tough to even get that with the folks that we work with up here.
steve bannon
Eli Crane, Congressman, social media, people want to follow you, particularly down there as a vigil.
You're doing more than praying.
You're trying to help these hostages get released.
Where do people go, sir?
unidentified
Rep.
Eli Crane, Eli Crane, CEO. Thanks, Steve.
Appreciate you.
Love you guys.
steve bannon
Thank you, Congressman Crane.
We love you, too.
Okay, just a programming note.
We're going to go back to Ben Burkwam here in a second.
We have Noor Bin Laden in Davos to get an update on what's happened there today.
A lot of it about AI. Oscar Blue Ramirez is down in Mexico in Tijuana.
We're going to talk about all the orders, the executive orders signed.
Ezra Cohen is going to come and tell us about what happens in the first couple of days of the National Security Council when you change leadership, particularly a new president comes in.
But the President of the United States is going to step up to the microphone in a minute.
I think he's an hour late.
This is going to be about this announcement today, a $500 billion deal brought in by, I think it was Microsoft, and of course SoftBank, one of my favorite guys, not.
President Trump's going to come and talk about that.
It's about AI infrastructure.
We're going to get to Nur bin Laden in a moment in Davos.
Ben Burquam, get us updated.
We left you today.
In the cold, outside the D.C. Gulag.
People running the D.C. Gulag and Matthew Graves and these people, you've got to understand, you don't have, you didn't get pardons.
As a matter of fact, Tom Fitt was on this morning.
We don't think any of the pardons effectuate because Trump's Justice Department has to implement them.
We don't think that's going to happen.
And particularly, we are strongly recommending to the President of the United States that Pete Hegseth...
Who I think got voted out of the committee today, 1413, that Pete Hexeth immediately, when he's voted on the floor, I think in the next 48 hours, immediately recalled General Milley to active duty and impanel a military tribunal to try him under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for treason and let him use his so-called pardon in court as evidence.
Ben Burquam, the hostages, the political prisoners down at the...
The Black Hole of Calcutta, Washington, D.C. Division.
What's happening, sir?
It gets up to date.
ben bergquam
Well, just to give you an idea of where we're standing, we're right next to the door coming out.
You can see it behind me.
We've got some officers over here.
We've got some caution tape set up here.
They're preventing anyone from coming across the street.
We've been given access, and I keep an eye out for the door.
So as these guys are coming, we're anticipating 15 of them to be released.
Any minute now.
Apparently, this Judge Nichols was the one assigned this paperwork.
It's still unknown if it was intentionally stalled.
It appears to be because everyone else has been let out.
This is the only place it hasn't.
And these guys, 15 of them, should be out momentarily.
It could be any second now, and so we're waiting for that.
We've got a large group of people across the street.
Police have kept them across the street all day.
Had several congressmen come by.
Join this.
We've got pressure coming from Congress.
I know President Trump is aware of this.
People have been reaching out to him as well.
But we are being told seven of them won't be released because, again, of potentially ongoing charges.
But to your point, this is one of the beginnings of the battles that we're facing.
But this day would not have happened if the inauguration of President Trump didn't happen yesterday.
steve bannon
No, we owe an immense amount to Julie Kelly.
Julie, I think we're going to try to get her on.
I'm telling my producer right now momentarily.
Also, we are going to go to President Trump's news conference when it starts.
It's about this artificial intelligence infrastructure fund, $500 billion put in by SoftBank.
I think Microsoft's the other.
A bunch of your bettors from the venture capital community.
Remember the techno-feudalist.
Ben Burquard, we're going to come back to you as soon as we have any more updates.
Judge Nichols, let me see.
Judge Nichols, that rings bell.
Oh yeah, that was a judge that sent me to a federal president.
I remember Judge Nichols.
A Trump appointee, I might add.
Judge Nichols.
I never talk about the trial, but you know what's interesting is that the en banc, the appeals court.
Taking an awful lot of time.
They're thinking, hey, is Bennett getting a pardon?
Bennett ain't getting a pardon.
Don't want a pardon.
You guys make a decision.
Remember, Nancy Pelosi's committee was totally illegitimate and illegal.
Don't take it from me.
Take it from Benny Thompson, who went up there and begged, begged, begged for a pardon.
Benny Thompson's got a pardon.
Liz Cheney's got a pardon.
The entire committee's got a pardon.
And the staff.
I think that might be a ticking time bomb.
As Tom Fenton laid out today, guess what?
President Trump and the Justice Department, Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche, the entire crew over there, absolutely no way should you take any more effort on those pardons whatsoever.
Biden should have played games and dropped them at the last, and particularly for his family, should not have dropped them at the end.
Should have done it six months ago.
Could have done Fauci at any time.
Going out the door means another Justice Department has to actually effectuate them.
Well, guess what?
Not going to happen.
Short commercial break.
We've got Ben down at the Gulag.
We've got Norbin Laden in Davos.
We have Oscar Blue Ramirez in Tijuana.
Julie Kelly's going to join us.
Ezra Cohen's going to join us.
Pretty packed on a Tuesday afternoon, late afternoon, early evening show of The War Room.
Johnny Khan's going to take us out with American heart.
Johnny Khan, who lost his house in Pacific Palisades.
President Trump going to the Palisades.
Short commercial break.
Back in a moment.
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Let's go to Davos.
Our own Nora Bin Laden.
Last year was ChatGBT, and then the venture capitalists rushed in.
This year, Davos kicked off yesterday.
We couldn't join you because we're here for all the activity.
What is happening in Davos, in the party of Davos, in the globalist?
Is it more artificial intelligence, ma'am?
noor bin laden
Absolutely.
Artificial intelligence is front and center throughout the week if you look at the agenda and the different panels, but also if you look at the different houses that are featured on the promenade.
So for those who don't know, every year all these different corporations and institutions take over shops and local cafes and just transform them into their hubs.
And you have a plethora of AI hubs dedicated to that topic specifically.
And looking at the theme of this year's annual meeting, collaboration for the intelligent age, I'm happy to break that down for the posse, but that very much centers around artificial intelligence and all of these different technologies and how they are going to essentially change our societies and our economies and basically human life.
steve bannon
Okay, Nora, hang on for one second.
Speaking of artificial intelligence, what a great tee-up.
We're going to go live to the Roosevelt Room in the White House and President Trump talking about this new deal on artificial intelligence infrastructure.
Let's cut to the feed.
donald j trump
An even better second term.
I think we're going to do things that people would be shocked at.
We're starting off with tremendous investment coming into our country.
At levels that nobody's really ever seen before.
And they're very happy with the fact that I won the race and that they feel confident in their investments.
And it's big money and high quality people.
So my first day back from having a nice life, it's my honor to welcome three of the world's leading technology CEOs.
And in the case of Larry, Larry Ellison, it's...
Well beyond technology.
He's sort of CEO of everything.
He's an amazing man, an amazing business person.
But to announce the largest AI infrastructure project by far in history, and it's all taking place right here in America.
As you know, there's great competition for AI and other things, and they're coming in at the highest level.
We're joined by...
Oracle Executive Chairman Larry Ellison, SoftBank CEO, my friend Masa, Masa Yoshisan, and CEO of OpenAI, and I would say by far the leading expert based on everything I read, Sam Altman.
So that's great that you're coming in together.
That's a massive group of talent and money.
Together, these world-leading technology giants are announcing the formation of Stargate.
So put that name down in your books, because I think you're going to hear a lot about it in the future.
A new American company that will invest $500 billion, at least, in AI infrastructure in the United States, and very quickly moving very rapidly, creating over 100,000 American jobs almost immediately.
This monumental undertaking is a resounding declaration of confidence in America's potential under a new president.
Let me be a new president.
I didn't say it.
They did.
So I appreciate that, fellas.
But it'll ensure the future of technology.
What we want to do is we want to keep it in this country.
China is a competitor and others are competitors.
We want it to be in this country and we're making it available.
I'm going to help a lot through emergency declarations because we have an emergency.
We have to get this stuff built.
So they have to produce a lot of electricity, and we'll make it possible for them to get that production done very easily at their own plants if they want, where they'll build at the plant, the AI plant.
They'll build energy generation, and that will be incredible.
But it's technology and artificial intelligence, all made in the USA. Beginning immediately, Stargate will be building the physical and virtual infrastructure to power the next generation of advancements in AI. And this will include the construction of colossal data centers, very, very massive structures.
I was in the real estate business.
These buildings, these are big, beautiful buildings that can employ a lot of people.
And physical campuses and locations currently being scouted nationwide.
They're making their choices of locations.
I think they have their choice.
I'd like to ask Larry, Sam, and Masa to say a few words and just talk a little bit about what they're doing.
And if you have any questions, and then we'll go into a couple of other subjects also.
But this is, to me, a very big thing.
$500 billion.
Stargate project.
I think it's going to be something that's very special.
It'll lead to something that could be the biggest of all.
So, Larry, maybe we'll start with you and we'll go down the line.
Thank you.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. President.
We certainly couldn't do this without you.
It would simply be impossible.
AI holds incredible promise for all of us, for every American.
We've actually been working with OpenAI for a while and with Masa for a while.
steve bannon
We're going to come back to the president momentarily.
These are a lot of guys talking about it.
Simply, it's a $500 billion, a half a trillion dollars for Stargate.
I think it's going to be a Texas.
Infrastructure for AI, the companies are OpenAI, which premiered last year at Davos.
Oracle and SoftBank, the Japanese kind of venture capital private equity company.
Nur bin Laden, in the White House, in the Roosevelt Room right now, they're talking about a $500 billion project funded by a lot of, some of it foreign capital.
Is AI still taking Davos by storm since last year?
I think it was ChatGBT when it came in.
It absolutely changed the entire conversation globally.
Ma'am?
noor bin laden
Absolutely it is.
And as I mentioned before we cut to President Trump, it is center stage throughout the week here, keeping very much in theme with the agenda.
The key theme of the WEF annual meeting being collaboration for the digital age.
And it's been planned for a very long time, and it isn't a coincidence that you have these three companies that are very much WEF companies partnering together in order to advance this agenda.
I will wait to read more about Stargate and what it will actually be doing, but the digitization of society using AI. And the arms race, the new arms race of AI with this announcement clearly is very much on.
steve bannon
Talk about this arms race because this is one of the things people are fearing.
They don't really understand it.
Now we're talking about an arms race.
Any kind of rapprochement or any getting together with China, the CCP has to, I think, be around AI, artificial general intelligence.
Do you believe the folks in Davos, are they doing a good job of explaining exactly what we're talking about when we're talking about artificial intelligence?
Because it's scaring a lot of people in the West, ma'am.
noor bin laden
And I think rightly so, because the implications of what this technology will have on society, I think we cannot really measure.
And to be fair to the World Economic Forum, they are very upfront of it, talking about how this is going to be so much more disruptive than the Industrial Revolution.
Klaus Schwab famously coined the era in which we find ourselves the fourth Industrial Revolution with, With these advancements, more specifically with AI and how it's going to change the workplace with all of these jobs in various sectors being replaced by AI. And I mean, I have the book right here.
This is something that should be required reading for the posse to understand the globalists and their plans for humanity.
And it's just very ironic, Steve, because, you know, as we discussed, you know, the nomenclature always, you know, kind of changes, but it always stays the same in a way, and they just keep repeating the same things over and over the years.
And, you know, the last few years, cooperation was the key word.
This year, collaboration.
is the key word, and they are using this term of the intelligent age, but it's just another code word for the fourth industrial revolution, and it feels like it is very much upon us.
unidentified
Noor Ben Laden from Davos.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
steve bannon
Okay, if there's anything else that comes out of the Roosevelt Room, we're going to go back there.
But we've got Noor Bin Laden in Davos.
Noor, you're going to be there tomorrow.
We'll pick you up live in the morning show.
Give us a heads up.
Anything else we should be thinking about?
The audience wants to be smart about this.
We know that the demons at the World Economic Forum always try to be one step ahead of the populist nationalist movement, man.
noor bin laden
Yes, the last thing I'd like to say with regards to this new announcement is that we really need to be wary despite, you know, all the excitement.
And, you know, yesterday was really a day of celebration, obviously, for America and for patriots all around the world like myself.
But we really need to be careful about this WEF model of public-private partnership and how governments...
And corporations are working hand-in-hand together to advance this digitization and the technological agenda that they have in order to centralize power.
This is what the word collaboration is all about.
So they always function like this with code words.
And so I'll be monitoring, obviously, all of the information that is coming out of the WEF, the World Economic Forum, this week.
And we'll chat more about that tomorrow.
steve bannon
What's your social media so people can get you overnight before we get you back up here tomorrow?
What's your social media?
I know you're posting all day.
noor bin laden
Norbenladen.substack.com and I'm on x at Norbenladen.
steve bannon
Norbenladen in Davos.
Thank you very much, ma'am.
See you tomorrow.
Great job.
noor bin laden
Thank you very much.
steve bannon
Let's go to the Roosevelt Room.
Let's go back to President Trump.
donald j trump
There's never been a first day like yesterday, as you know.
I signed a sweeping slate of executive orders to stop the invasion of our borders.
I launched a government-wide effort to defeat inflation and bring down the cost of daily life and bring down the cost of energy, magnificently bring it down.
And when energy comes down, Larry, I'd say generally speaking, when energy comes down, everything else comes down.
The prices of food and the prices of everything else come down.
Energy is the big, that's the big baby.
And we declared a national energy emergency to drill baby drill, our term that we use.
We're going to drill baby drill like never before.
We ended destructive DEI mandates across the federal government and returned our country to a merit-based system and a common sense system.
As you know, the Supreme Court gave us a decision on merit, where things in this country can be based on merit now instead of a lot of different rules, regulations, and things that really...
Put our country at a big disadvantage.
We permanently stopped government censorship and restored free speech.
That was signed yesterday.
We renamed the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America.
Sounds so beautiful.
The Gulf of America.
And returned the name of a great president, William McKinley, to Mount McKinley.
They took off the name.
And he was actually a great president.
He was a very, very successful Businessman.
He ran for governor of Ohio.
He won and did a great job as governor, ran for president, and he won.
He was assassinated, ultimately, in his second term, unfortunately.
But he was the tariff king, and I don't think he was as bad as I am.
I think I believe in him even more than him, but he believed in him very strongly.
And he raised massive amounts of money.
Our country was at its richest from 1870 to 1913. That was when we were the richest, relatively speaking.
We were the richest during that period of time.
That was tariffs from other countries.
And our administration's moving with unprecedented urgency and speed to confront every single crisis facing us, and we'll get the job done.
And again, I want to thank Sam and Masa and Larry for being here.
It's an honor to have them.
And we'll take a few questions if you want.
unidentified
You would agree that it's never acceptable to a solid police officer, right?
Sure.
So then if I can, among those who pardon, DJ Rodriguez, he drove a stun gun into the neck of a DC police officer who was abducted by the mob that day.
He later confessed on video to the FBI and pleaded guilty for his crimes.
Why does he deserve a pardon?
donald j trump
Well, I don't know.
Is it a pardon?
Because we're looking at commutes and we're looking at pardons.
OK, well, we'll take a look at everything.
But I can say this.
Murderers today are not even charged.
You have murderers that aren't charged all over.
You take a look at what's gone on in Philadelphia.
Take a look at what's gone off in L.A. where people murder people and they don't get charged.
These people have already served years in prison.
And they've served them viciously.
It's a disgusting prison.
It's been horrible.
It's inhumane.
It's been a terrible, terrible thing.
I also say this.
You go to Portland, where they wrapped police officers, shot police officers.
Nothing happened to anybody.
You go to Seattle, where they took over a big chunk of the city, and people died.
Portland, a lot of people died.
Wait a minute.
And you go also take a look at Minneapolis because I was there and I watched it.
If I didn't bring in the National Guard, that city wouldn't even exist today.
People were killed and nobody went to jail.
So these people have already served a long period of time.
And I made a decision to give a pardon.
Joe Biden gave a pardon yesterday to a lot of criminals.
These are criminals that he gave a pardon to.
And you should be asking that question.
Why did he give a pardon to all of these people that committed crimes?
Why did he give a pardon to the J6 Unselect Committee when they burned and destroyed all documents which showed that they did what was wrong, not me?
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Why did they give a pardon to all of his relatives, his brother who made millions of dollars to all these different people?
He gave pardons.
That's the question you should be answering.
All right, go ahead.
unidentified
Go ahead, yeah, please. - If I could just follow a bit about your meeting. - See, you guys follow up to that really fast.
donald j trump
- No, no, no, that's it. - I just wanna ask you this.
unidentified
You said you will-- - Tell us about your meeting with Speaker Johnson, Senator Thune.
Did you reach any conclusion on this one big story?
Pretty much.
donald j trump
I think we have a good situation now.
It's been in some ways made simpler by Los Angeles because they're going to need a lot of money.
Generally speaking, I think you'll find that a lot of Democrats are going to be asking for help.
So I think maybe that makes it more one-sided.
I think we're going to do very well.
Look, we're going to take care of Los Angeles.
I'm going there.
I'm going to North Carolina, which has been abandoned by the Democrats.
And I'm going to North Carolina, very importantly, first.
I'll be there on Friday.
And then I'm going from there to Los Angeles.
And then I'm going to Nevada.
And I'm really going to Nevada to thank them for the vote because we won Nevada overwhelmingly.
and that's usually a Democrat vote.
And I just want to go there to thank the people of Nevada for the big vote.
So we'll be making that.
Yeah, please.
unidentified
The leaders of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers were free following their pardons yesterday.
At the time, back in 2021, you urged them to stand back and stand by.
Is there now a place for them in the political conversation?
donald j trump
Well, we have to see they've been given a pardon.
I thought their sentences were ridiculous and excessive.
One of the guys took down a flag that was an anti-American flag, and he was given years in jail.
I don't know the exact number, but he was given many years in jail.
I thought it was very excessive.
And at least the cases that we looked at, these were people that actually love our country, so we thought a pardon would be appropriate, yeah.
unidentified
Mr. President, is it also true in your conversations with Republicans today that you ask them to consider recess appointments?
For cabinet officials?
donald j trump
I think, yeah, if it's needed, I don't think it's going to be needed.
Marco, as you know, got passed overwhelmingly with 99 to nothing, which is pretty amazing.
Marco is going to do a great job, Secretary of State, but he just got, I guess he was the first one and just got approved.
That's some vote, 99 to nothing, and the nothing was a vote that he would have gotten.
If we wanted to do it, but you know whose vote that was?
Who's doing a great job right now as vice president?
What I really want to have done, I was talking about this with the guys back in the Oval Office.
Los Angeles has massive amounts of water available to it.
All they have to do is turn the valve.
And that's the valve coming back from and down from the Pacific Northwest, where millions of gallons of water a week and a day even, in many cases, pours into California, goes all through California down to Los Angeles, and they turned it off.
It's off now.
The valve goes, it turns toward the Pacific Ocean, and all that water goes pouring into the Pacific Ocean.
If they did what I told them to do, they wouldn't do it because politically they didn't think it was good.
I think it's great politically.
I think they're dead politically.
What they've done, they've destroyed the city.
What they've done to that city is unbelievable.
The sprinklers, they're sprinklers in there like these right here that you see.
None of them had any water in them.
They didn't have any water.
The fire hydrants, 40% of them had no water.
The brush was soaked, was just dry.
Everything was dry.
The sprinklers on the lawn weren't allowed to even be used.
So, you know, everything was dry, and it was an inferno.
They created an inferno.
So we're demanding that they turn the valve back toward Los Angeles right now.
It's not even believable that they haven't done it.
Just so you know, they have a valve, and it turns.
Like, think of a sink, but multiply it times, many thousands of times the size of it.
It's massive.
And you turn it back toward Los Angeles.
Why aren't they doing it?
They either have a death wish, they're stupid, or there's something else going on that we don't understand.
But we want the water that they're throwing away to be used for California.
And that includes the farmers of California.
You know, when you drive up north, you see all of the land.
I couldn't believe it.
I was with Devin Nunes when he was a congressman and some other congressmen from the area.
And we're driving up and we're on the highway.
And I keep looking at these farms and the land is bone dry.
And then you'd see an acre, about an acre or two acres, with the most beautiful green plants growing in it.
The most beautiful, it's rich stuff.
And you look at the soil and it's so rich.
That soil is...
Almost the equivalent to, like, Iowa soil.
It's phenomenal.
It's got no water.
But the reason it has no water...
I said, do you have a drought?
No.
I said, what do you mean you don't have a drought?
Look at the thing.
It's dry as a bone.
The reason you have, like, an acre is because they say you can farm one acre but no more because they didn't want to waste water.
But they throw the water into the Pacific Ocean.
These people are crazy.
So we're going to be issuing an executive order demanding that they immediately...
Let that water come down to, through California, farmers, even people living in Beverly Hills.
Now, those people have been a lot, I mean, a lot of them are wiped out.
Believe it or not, you know, they were having restrictions, Larry, you know about this.
They wanted to restrict you to 38 gallons of water a day.
That sounds like a lot, but it's not when you're a rich person and you like to take a shower.
38 gallons doesn't last very long.
And they have all this water.
And it's really good water.
Up high, Pacific Northwest.
Some comes in from Canada.
A nice country, by the way.
Comes in from Canada.
And it comes all the way through California.
And they're restricting it.
You even have the half pipes.
You know, the half pipes.
The cut pipes.
Big ones.
Bigger than this room.
And they're going all the way down.
And they're bone dry.
And they could be loaded up with water.
No, but isn't it incredible that they don't do it?
And it's to protect the Delta smelt.
It's a fish that's doing poorly anyway.
But I said, how are you protecting the Delta smelt by not giving it water?
It's a fish.
It needs water.
Nobody can answer that question.
Let me do this first.
unidentified
Are you open to Elon buying TikTok?
donald j trump
I would be if he wanted to buy it.
I'd like Larry to buy it too.
I have the right to make a deal.
So the deal I'm thinking about, Larry, let's negotiate in front of the media.
The deal, I think, is this.
And I've met with owners of TikTok, the big owners.
It's worthless if it doesn't get a permit.
It's not like, oh, you can take the U.S. The whole thing is worthless.
With a permit, it's worth like a trillion dollars.
So what I'm thinking about saying to somebody is buy it and give half to the United States of America, half, and we'll give you the permit.
And they'll have a great partner in the United States.
And they'll have something that's actually more valuable because they have the ultimate partner.
And the United States will make it very worthwhile for them in terms of the permits and everything else.
So think of it.
You have an asset that has no value or has a trillion-dollar value.
It all depends on whether or not the United States gives the permit.
So what I'm saying is let the United States give the permit and the United States should get half.
Sounds reasonable.
What do you think?
unidentified
Sounds like a good deal to me, Mr. President.
donald j trump
He can afford it, too.
unidentified
Mr. President, you're a president who has long said that you backed with blue, but are you sending the message?
donald j trump
No, the opposite.
In fact, I'm going to be letting two officers from Washington Police, D.C. I believe they're from D.C., but I just approved it.
They were arrested, put in jail for five years because they went after an illegal, and I guess something happened where something went wrong.
And they arrested the two officers and put them in jail for going after a criminal, a rough criminal, by the way.
And I'm actually releasing...
unidentified
No, I'm the friend of...
donald j trump
A rough criminal, by the way.
And I'm actually releasing...
No, I'm the friend of...
I am the friend of more than any president that's ever been in this office.
unidentified
This is a week ago.
He said, if you committed violence on January 6th...
Obviously, you should not be pardoned.
Why is your vice president wrong?
donald j trump
Well, only for one reason.
They've served years in jail.
They should not have served, excuse me, and they've served years in jail, and murderers don't even go to jail in this country.
And we had 1,500.
We have 16 under review.
As you know, we commuted about 16 of them because it looks like they could have done things that were not acceptable for a full pardon.
But these people have served years of jail.
Their lives have been ruined.
And in many cases...
Listen to me for a second.
Stop interrupting.
They've served years in jail.
And if you look at the American public, the American public is tired of it.
Take a look at the election.
Just look at the numbers on the election.
We won this election in a landslide because the American public is tired of people like you that are just one-sided.
Horrible people in terms of crime.
You don't talk about all the people that have been killed and what happens to those murderers.
Murderers get no time.
You take a look at some of these DAs.
They go after political opponents, but they don't go after people that shoot people in the street.
They're caught.
They know where they're living.
They know everything.
They don't even go up to pick them up anymore.
They just let them live there.
They know all about it.
They have their pictures.
They have the tape of the shooting.
And they don't even go up and you're talking about this.
No, we pardoned people that were treated unbelievably poorly.
In the history of our country, there's never been anything take place like this.
They're still looking for them, but they're not looking for the murderers, the people that are killing everybody.
We are, though, and we're getting them out of the country.
We just started that.
We're getting them out of the country, and they're going to be gotten out of the country fast.
They came in illegally from jails and from prisons.
They killed many people.
Some of them killed many people.
About 50% of them killed more than one person.
They were released into our country.
That's what we're focused on, not the kind of nonsense you're talking about.
unidentified
For a ceasefire in Ukraine, if Vladimir Putin doesn't come to the table to negotiate with you, will you put additional sanctions on Russia?
donald j trump
Sounds likely.
unidentified
Do you think that the war should be frozen currently?
donald j trump
The war should have never started.
If you had a competent president, which you didn't, the war wouldn't have happened.
The war in Ukraine would have never happened if I were president.
But that couldn't happen because the election was rigged.
Yeah, go ahead.
unidentified
Mr. President, there's been some debate within your orbit over whether or not to keep or eliminate H-1B visas.
What's your position on that?
Do you want to keep H-1Bs or do you want to get...
donald j trump
I like both sides of the argument, but I also like very competent people coming into our country, even if that involves them training and helping other people that may not have the qualifications they do.
But I don't want to stop.
And I'm not just talking about engineers.
I'm talking about people at all levels.
We want competent people coming into our country.
And HB1, I know the program very well.
I use the program.
Maitre D's, wine experts, even waiters, high-quality waiters.
You got to get the best people.
Now, then you go into people like Larry, and he needs engineers, and Masa needs, and this gentleman needs engineers like nobody's ever needed engineers, right?
So we have to have the quality people coming in.
Now, by doing that, we're expanding businesses, and that takes care of everybody.
So I'm sort of on both sides of the argument, but what I really do feel is that we have to let really competent people, great people, come into our country, and we do that.
Mr. President, are you looking to impose tariffs on Canada and Mexico in an effort to force negotiations sooner on USMCA? No, it's really not on USMCA. It has nothing to do with that.
They've allowed, both of them, Canada very much so.
They've allowed millions and millions of people to come into our country that shouldn't be here.
They could have stopped them, and they didn't.
And they've killed 300,000 people last year.
My opinion, have been destroyed by drugs, by fentanyl.
The fentanyl coming through Canada is massive.
The fentanyl coming through Mexico is massive.
And people are getting killed and families are being destroyed.
I mean, the son gets killed and the family is a basket case for the rest of their lives.
I mean, I've seen mothers that thought they'd heal.
They never heal.
They say it gets worse with time.
It gets worse with time.
They lose their boy.
They lose their baby.
They lose their young daughter to fentanyl poisoning.
And I had that talk with President Xi the other day, too, of China.
I said, we don't want that crap in our country.
We've got to stop it.
I would have stopped it.
I had a deal with him where he was going to give the maximum penalty, which in China is the death penalty for drug dealing.
And he was all set.
He was going to give the maximum penalty to fentanyl dealers if they send to the United States they were going to get the death penalty.
And, of course, Biden didn't pick that up.
I had that deal all done.
It was all wrapped up.
We were going to have it done.
And then the election went, let's put it nicely, didn't go the proper way.
I'm trying to be nice about it.
It was rigged.
And we had an incompetent president elected, and he never followed up on that deal.
But he should have followed up.
Because if they got the death penalty, they wouldn't be sending fentanyl to Mexico, Canada, and other places.
We're thinking about that, too.
We're talking about a tariff of 10% on China based on the fact that they're sending fentanyl to Mexico and Canada.
unidentified
How soon on those tariffs?
donald j trump
Probably February 1st is the date we're looking at.
For Mexico and China, we're talking about approximately...
Approximately 25%.
unidentified
Do you have an update on the Gaza ceasefire?
Are you planning to travel to the Middle East soon?
donald j trump
We're thinking about going to the Middle East, not yet.
We have a thing called the hostages are coming back going on right now, and they are coming back.
Some of them have been very damaged.
You look at the young lady with her hand practically blown off.
You know how that happened, right?
Did you know how that happened?
When you find out, you're not going to be too happy.
Because it was terrible.
But the hostages are starting to come back.
Oh, if I weren't here, they wouldn't be back ever.
They would have never come back.
They would have all died.
If this were done a year earlier, if Biden would have done this deal a year and a half, two years ago, or frankly, it should have never happened.
October 7th should have never happened.
Nobody should be dead.
But through weakness, they allowed it to happen, and then it was a disaster from them.
But you go back just six months ago, many of these young people were living.
You know, young people don't die like that.
They're just dying.
And young people aren't dying at 22 and 23 years old.
They don't die.
But now they're dying, and you wonder why they're dying.
They're being killed, and they have been killed.
But they say six months ago, you would have had 11 more living hostages.
Think of that.
Six months ago, but Biden couldn't get it done.
And it was only the imposition that I put on as a deadline that got it done.
But it's a very sad situation.
It should have never happened.
I'll tell you, two things should have never happened.
Three things.
Inflation should have never happened.
It would have never happened, except for what they did to energy and their crazy spending.
And Ukraine would have never happened.
Never, by the way.
Russia never would have gone into Ukraine.
I had a very strong understanding with Putin that it would have never, ever happened.
He disrespected Biden.
Very simple.
He disrespects people.
He's smart.
He understands.
He disrespected Biden.
And also, the Middle East would have never happened because Iran was broke.
They had no money.
They had no money for Hamas.
They had no money for Hezbollah.
It would have never happened.
October 7th would have never happened.
But it did happen.
So this is the cards I've been given.
And we're getting the hostages back.
That would have never happened under Biden.
They would have never come back.
They were just dying.
Not that slowly.
They were dying or being killed.
But that was what was happening.
unidentified
Are you going to keep sending weapons to Ukraine or are you going to turn off the tap soon?
donald j trump
Well, we're looking at that.
We're talking to Zelensky.
We're going to be talking with President Putin very soon.
And we'll see how it all happens.
We're going to look at it very soon.
One thing I do feel, the European Union should be paying a lot more than they're paying because under Biden, I mean, we're in there for $200 billion more.
Now, it affects them more than it affects us.
We have an ocean in between, right?
A little thing called an ocean.
The European Union should equalize.
We're in there for $200 billion more than the European Union.
I mean, what are we, stupid?
I guess the answer is yes, because they must think so.
But the European Union takes advantage of us tremendously on trade, and they now take advantage of, and always have.
If I didn't get involved years ago, my first term, one of the first things I noticed was that...
They're not paying enough.
They're not paying.
And a lot of those countries weren't even paying.
The NATO countries, they weren't paying.
Only seven out of 28 were paying.
We were one of them.
And Poland was one.
And they had a few of them that were paying, and some were paying very proudly.
Usually, the closer to the borderline of Russia they were, the faster they paid, okay?
The ones that were further away tended not to pay so fast.
And one thing on that.
I think they should lift their number not to 2%, but to 5%.
NATO should be at 5%, not at 2%.
2% is ridiculous, yeah.
unidentified
You asked President Xi in your conversation about Ukraine.
You asked him to get involved in helping settle that.
Can you tell us about that?
donald j trump
I did, yeah.
I said, you ought to get it settled, because he's not done very much on that.
He's got a lot of power, like we have a lot of power.
I said, you ought to get it settled.
We did discuss it, yeah.
unidentified
Do you intend to continue selling products that benefit yourself personally while you're president?
donald j trump
Well, I don't know if it benefited.
I don't know where it is.
I don't know much about it other than I launched it.
I heard it was very successful.
I haven't checked it.
Where is it today?
unidentified
You made a lot of money, sir.
donald j trump
How much?
unidentified
Several billion dollars, it seems like, in the last several days.
donald j trump
Several billion?
and that's peanuts for these guys.
unidentified
- Are you talking about the letter? - The President Biden, can you give us some sense probably speaking about-- - Yeah, he wrote me a nice letter.
donald j trump
I mean, I did open it last night.
And I didn't know Peter said, did you get the letter?
I said, wait a minute, let's see the letter.
It's sort of a tradition.
You put it in the drawer, especially of the beautiful Resolute desk, right?
And I opened the drawer and there it was.
It said to number 47. And it was a very nice letter.
I mean, I could show it because I think it was a nice letter.
Maybe I will.
unidentified
I think.
donald j trump
Just basically, it was a little bit of an inspirational type letter.
Enjoy it.
Do a good job.
Important, very important how important the job is.
But I think it was a nice letter.
I think I should let people see it because it was a positive for him in writing it.
I appreciated the letter.
unidentified
Mr. President, were security concerns at all a factor when deciding to move to an operation in Delores?
donald j trump
No, not at all.
No, not at all.
It was just cold.
Look, if we would have...
You know, I just went out to the helicopter, right, to...
We said goodbye.
That's a tradition.
As long as helicopter...
Before it used to be a stagecoach, and then helicopters came along.
But that's been a tradition.
You go out and you do that.
And we stood there for...
Ten minutes, and I'll tell you what, people would not have been able to get through that day.
That was cold.
It was sort of interesting.
Don't let the sun fool you.
Tell me something.
Sunny days can get very cold, can't they?
Because that was so freezing yesterday.
You couldn't have gotten through it.
It would have been.
And the answer is no, it wasn't security.
With that being said, I thought the Capitol, the Rotunda, was beautiful.
72 degrees.
Unbelievable.
It's like being in an opera house.
I could see people wanting to do it there rather than outside.
unidentified
Why did they remove John Bolton's security clearance, sir?
donald j trump
I think there was enough time.
We take a job.
You take a job.
You want to do a job.
We're not going to have security on people for the rest of their lives.
Why should we?
I thought he was a very dumb person, but I used him well because every time...
People saw me come into a meeting with John Bolton standing behind me.
They thought that he'd attack them because he was a warmonger.
He's the one that got us involved, along with Cheney and a couple of others, convinced Bush, which was a terrible decision, to blow up the Middle East.
You know, we blew up the Middle East and we left.
We got nothing out of it except a lot of death.
We killed a lot of people.
And John Bolton was, you know, one of those guys, a stupid guy.
But, no, you can't have that for life.
You shouldn't expect it for life.
unidentified
I don't know.
donald j trump
I mean, look, President Zelensky would like to have peace.
He's told me that very strongly.
He'd like to have peace.
But it takes two to tango.
We'll see what happens.
Anytime they want, I'll meet.
I'd like to see that end.
Millions of people are being killed.
And they're being killed.
It's a vicious situation.
And they're now largely...
Soldiers.
A lot of people have been killed in the cities.
They look like demolition sites.
Buildings, massive buildings bombed and coming down.
The thing with Ukraine is that many more people died than you're reporting.
You're not reporting the real numbers.
And I'm not blaming you for that.
I'm blaming maybe our government for not wanting to release those numbers.
Many more people died than what you know about.
When those big buildings come down and they say two people were injured, no, no.
Many people, thousands of people are being killed.
But the people, the real killing now is on the war front.
It's a very flat land.
And the only thing that stops a bullet is somebody's body.
And you have young soldiers.
So Russia's lost about 800,000 soldiers now.
Ukraine's lost about 600 or 700,000.
I think the numbers are low that they're giving out.
But they've lost massive numbers of young soldiers.
That war should stop.
It's very flat.
You know, it's beautiful farmland, and it's flat and really beautiful in a different kind of way, but they don't have any protection.
The only thing that stops a bullet is a body, and those bodies are stopping a lot of bullets, and they're being decimated, both sides.
unidentified
In your conversation with President Xi, what did you tell him in terms of when to expect tariffs, and what can he do to avoid it?
donald j trump
About which one?
About tariffs?
We didn't talk too much about tariffs, other than he knows where I stand.
Look, I put large tariffs on China.
I've taken in hundreds of billions of dollars.
Until I was president, China never paid not 10 cents to the United States.
With me, they paid hundreds of $600 billion or so, or more, more than that even, of tariffs.
If I didn't do that, you wouldn't have a steel mill open in the United States right now.
You wouldn't have one steel mill open in the United States.
So what I did is I saved the steel industry.
I saved other industries, too, with other tariffs.
Other countries are big abusers also.
You know, it's not just China.
China's an abuser, but the European Union is very, very bad to us.
They treat us very, very badly.
They don't take our cars.
They don't take our cars at all.
They don't take our farm products, essentially.
They don't take very much.
We have a $350 billion deficit with the European Union.
They treat us very, very badly.
So they're going to be in for tariffs.
It's the only way you're going to get back.
It's the only way you're going to get fairness.
You can't get fairness unless you do that.
But the European Union has treated us very badly.
But essentially, everybody treats us badly.
You know, everybody treats us badly.
Yes, go ahead.
Because we allow them to.
Because we've had stupid people doing this.
And we can't have...
I'd like to have these three people negotiate for us.
Just for one week.
And we'd be a rich country again.
But we'll be rich.
unidentified
Mr. President, on AI data centers, will you rescind President Biden's executive order that opens up federal land-- On which centers?
On data centers.
Will you rescind President Biden's executive order that opens up federal lands for data centers and energy production?
donald j trump
That sounds to me like it's something that I would like.
I'd like to see federal lands opened up for data centers.
I think they're going to be very important.
Again, we have a lot of competition for that, so it's an honor to have these three great people, great, great CEOs.
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