Jan. 1, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
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| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Back. | ||
| It's Wednesday 1 January in the year of our Lord 2025. | ||
| Boy, does that kind of roll off the tongue? | ||
| Love that 2025. Rahim Kassam, founder, publisher, editor-in-chief of National Pulse, joins me. | ||
| Rahim, we've had a quite fascinating... | ||
| First off, the photo you took... | ||
| And if we can get the photo up, you get a chance of the Constantinople t-shirt has gone mega viral. | ||
| Before I get you to think deep thoughts with me on techno feudalism and in the future of the mega movement and where the country's going. | ||
| This what what why did we kind of not did it as a goof? | ||
| It was a very specific gift from my brother. | ||
| We talk about this a lot. | ||
| You know, we're very focused on the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church or those that were getting back together with Protestant Christianity to really, you know, get Christianity under one roof or at least under one coalition. | ||
| Why do you think it hits such a big nerve? | ||
| Why does this thing have millions? | ||
| Why did your post then go mega viral and every talk show in Turkey is covering it? | ||
| Yeah, thanks, Steve, and Happy New Year to all the Warren Parsi and to yourself and all the guests on this show. | ||
| Certainly been an interesting 12 months and certainly been an interesting, let's say, last 12 days. | ||
| I had the great pleasure. | ||
| Of seeing Stephen K. Bannon in a very different environment, as you were kind enough to invite me to your family Christmas lunch, and seeing and hearing from all the stories that I heard that day, Steve. | ||
| We'll keep those maybe for another time. | ||
| But I guess we created some stories that evening as well, because as you say, your brother gives you this free Constantinople t-shirt. | ||
| You hold it up. | ||
| We take a picture, post it out there. | ||
| And you're right, not a goof, but kind of a provocation, honestly. | ||
| Maybe a little bit lighthearted in the way we did it, posting it to X. But really, this actually dovetails with the other conversation that I think we're going to have here, which is about... | ||
| Tech feudalism and the insistence of a lot of these atheistic, post-enlightenment thinkers who are talking about having a benevolent dictator, a benevolent monarch plucked from Silicon Valley. | ||
| To rule over a new American governance settlement. | ||
| You know, this actually is a grounding mechanism, and I think a grounding force for those of us who actually think, well, actually, the American founders pretty much got it right, and instead of looking to these kind of niche, crazy ideas... | ||
| About how you govern not just the United States of America, but we're talking about Mars at the moment as well. | ||
| Actually, we'd be better served in looking backwards to the great American founding and the ideas that that spurred on. | ||
| You go prior to that, of course. | ||
| And you talk about Christendom, and you talk about the Westphalian treaties, and you talk about what it meant to keep this kind of patchwork of nation states, at least trying to keep them from warring with each other, and recognizing actually that there is a God-given, | ||
| or a God-ordained, a mandatory philosophy that we should follow that seeks to restore Christianity to its rightful place, not just in your homes, not just in your schools, but all across the Western world. | ||
| And that is kind of what triggers all of these people so much. | ||
| And it triggers the atheistic postmodernists as much as it triggers the increasingly Islamized Turks. | ||
| And we've seen how Erdogan in Turkey has used Islamism to prop himself up, has used, I guess, the spiritual influence of Islam. | ||
| You have to bear in mind all of the different machinations that are going on at the same time here. | ||
| Remember just how many mosques and migrants The Turks have been sponsoring into Germany and all across Europe as well. | ||
| So it's natural and necessary that we sort of come to blows over that conversation, as I say, as perhaps tongue-in-cheek as posting something like that to ex-wars. | ||
| It speaks to a wider civilizational clash. | ||
| We talk about civilizational clash. | ||
| Joe Allen's going to join us. | ||
| You're talking about Christendom. | ||
| Here in... | ||
| With Erdogan and the reestablishment of the Ottoman Empire, because his goal is to reestablish the caliphate that fell apart at World War I with the Arab Revolt, Lawrence of Arabia, Allenby, the British Army, all of it, and to take back the two holy sites and reestablish the Turks as the senior member vis-a-vis the Persians and the Egyptians and the Bedouins as really the leaders of the Islamic faith. | ||
| One thing you say about it, they're quite religious people, right? | ||
| I mean, this is all, and you said, you know, Ben said earlier, the history, their history is inextricably linked with their current actions. | ||
| They can tell you about Allenby and Damascus. | ||
| They could tell you about Lawrence of Arabia. | ||
| They could go back a thousand years to Vienna. | ||
| And it's like it happened today. | ||
| They've interwoven history as they go forward here in the in the West, as Joe Allen will tell us here in a second. | ||
| It's been a totally you know, we've we've thrown off, quote unquote, what the at least feels the shackles of Christianity, the shackles of the underpinnings of the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| And at the very moment we have these confrontations on civilizational kind of I don't want to say conflict, but at least, you know, as as rivals, peer rivals. | ||
| At the very moment, we've totally jettisoned it for this neo-feudalism that's really this kind of techno-neo-feudalism, which I think is personified in the singularity, or in Elon Musk colonization of Mars, which to me kind of avoids the central problem of how does one Live here on Earth and live in the best way possible. | ||
| Raheem, your thoughts for our bringing Joe Allen. | ||
| What do both of those sides speak to in their opposition? | ||
| What are they speaking against, effectively? | ||
| And the answer to that question is human agency. | ||
| I read a bunch of this stuff, whether it's Curtis Yarvin and all that kind of stuff, and time and time again what you see here is an invocation of the idea that we are serfs, and we serve whoever And he says so himself. | ||
| A lot of these people say so themselves. | ||
| This arbitrary power that just happens to spring into action because we decide communally somewhere along the lines that, hey, we actually don't know what we're doing. | ||
| And we need somebody who's smarter than us and more can be a benevolent dictator to guide us. | ||
| And that is a very important distinction between kind of working class populism. | ||
| This audience knows and understands history, knows and understands their place in history, knows and understands what we need to bring it back, versus the people who kind of look at everything and go, you know, it didn't quite work out. | ||
| The founders had some good ideas. | ||
| It was very cute and all that. | ||
| But we're going to leave all of that in the past and move on to something extremely different and very hard to pin down and extremely actually quite dangerous if you listen to some of these people. | ||
| It's such an important distinction. | ||
| I know it's a very heavy topic, but I'd encourage people because, you know, we have, I mean, I don't know if we really have four years here. | ||
| You know, A 12 to 18-month period here where there's a lot going to get done. | ||
| But then the rest of that period of time of the second Trump term is going to be looking towards the future and what the future pretends, you know, not just for the Republicans as a political party, but for the wider movement and for the wider Western world. | ||
| These are big questions. | ||
| They're not just coming down the pipeline. | ||
| They're hitting us in the face right now. | ||
| And this is what we need to get serious about. | ||
| Yeah, hang on a second, Rahim. | ||
| Let me bring in Joe. | ||
| A lot of folks don't know that Joe was actually a theology major at Boston University. | ||
| I think he got a master's there exactly like Dr. Martin Luther King, where he got his PhD. | ||
| So Joe, talk to us about it. | ||
| You got our sociopathic tech overlords are kind of creating, I don't know if it's a new religion or this tech feudalism and this dark enlightenment of, what is it, Curtis Yarvin. | ||
| Your thoughts, brother? | ||
| Well, Steve, Rahim, Happy New Year and Happy New Year to the posse. | ||
| Sorry my voice is not exactly here. | ||
| I am subject to human frailty like everyone else. | ||
| You know, this subject of civilizational transformation that you guys are hitting on Everything we're seeing is a symptom of that. | ||
| A big part of it is the breakdown of Christendom over the past few centuries among elites, but even that has trickled down to the wider populace. | ||
| A big thing driving that is the elevation of scientific facts, laws, principles, theories above religious conceptions of the world. | ||
| And as that scientific worldview has become clearer and more coherent, the religious worldview is less and less able to be attached to it, right? | ||
| The early scientists were Christians. | ||
| The early science was a way of describing God's creation. | ||
| But more and more, it's become an entity of its own. | ||
| So you have this big, dead, clockwork universe that doesn't like you and doesn't care about you. | ||
| What do you do in response to that? | ||
| You try to take control of it. | ||
| You try to terraform the universe in a way that is friendlier to you, the lowly and lonely human on planet Earth, the dirt ball spinning around the sun. | ||
| That is where all of this sort of techno-religion comes into play. | ||
| It isn't a techno-religion, I would say, but it's many different techno-religions that are competing for dominance as science and technology are held up as the highest powers, not just on Earth necessarily, that if there are no aliens to save us, then the entire universe and Elon Musk, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, even to some extent, | ||
| I would say that guys like Jeff Bezos and certainly Sam Altman, their project is to create I would say that guys like Jeff Bezos and certainly Sam Altman, their project is to create a Traditionally, the greatest intelligence was, of course, divinity. | ||
| Now, in this kind of dead clockwork universe that these people inhabit within their own minds, the only solution to the problem of human frailty and human stupidity is to create a greater intelligence, to better organize the human self and to better realize the human self in a way that we can do it. | ||
| And of course, the outward project is to better organize society. | ||
| Algocracy, in essence. | ||
| Hang on one second. | ||
| Joe Allen and Raheem Ghassam are here with us to kick off the new year. | ||
| I can't think of two better guys. | ||
| Just had Ben Harnwell. | ||
| Pretty good team. | ||
| Happy New Year. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to return in a moment. | ||
| Beautiful music will take you out. | ||
| I want to talk about this new techno-religion and what it means practically for MAGA and practically for the United States of America in Trump's second term, which kicks off in, I don't know, 20 days? | ||
| If it hasn't already kicked off. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Back in a moment. | ||
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| Should all the acquaintance be forgot in the days of old Lang Syne. | ||
| For old Lang Syne, my dear, for old Lang Syne. | ||
| We'll take a cup of wine. | ||
| for the sake of old and lang syne. | ||
| O old acquaintance be forgot In the day of | ||
| And all We'll take our cup Of kindness yet For the sake of old Langsau | ||
| Well, from Borderloo Bridge in 1940, that was the top of our game, right? | ||
| 39-40-41. | ||
| Like I said, Vivian Lee, gone with the win. | ||
| Not a bad roll. | ||
| Gone with the win in 39, Waterloo Bridge in 40, that Hamilton woman in 1941. Raheem, Curtis Charvin. | ||
| I know Joe Allen knows a lot about it. | ||
| I'm going to get his talk. | ||
| But Curtis Jarvis and this whole concept of the dark enlightenment, and we're going to get into the practical, how that's going to play out in our politics. | ||
| But this is one of the ideas, because these guys brought up with this total phony scam of H-1B visas, how they've tried to eviscerate the American middle class. | ||
| And we've won this unconditionally. | ||
| We're going to win it unconditionally. | ||
| We're going to make sure those go away and that these folks are deported. | ||
| American workers take the jobs. | ||
| And I think reparations have to be paid. | ||
| But let's go back to the railhead of how this all started, this kind of techno-feudalism, this dark underbelly. | ||
| We've got Elon Musk. | ||
| On one hand, he's trying to go to Mars and colonize Mars. | ||
| On the other, he's chipping people and working on artificial general intelligence, AGI. Which, as Joe Allen just told us, is, you know, when you talk about the singularity, that is getting the intelligence of the machine to be greater than the sum of all human intelligence, sir. | ||
| Yeah, Steve, you've got to remember as well, and for the audience kind of getting their heads around this, I know a lot of people already do, but for those who have just... | ||
| The musks of the world have already decided in their minds where the future of humankind lays. | ||
| This is not something that you can convince them away from. | ||
| They're not putting feelers out there. | ||
| They're not flying a kite. | ||
| On AGI or any of this stuff, they have set a course in their minds for mass automation, virtually everything. | ||
| You're going to start hearing the universal basic income arguments again. | ||
| You'll start hearing the arguments for the implementation and implantation of chips. | ||
| Hang on a second. | ||
| I want to go back to that. | ||
| This is not something they're running up the flagpole and sees who salutes, okay? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They don't really care about what War Room thinks about this. | ||
| They don't care about Joe Allen's Dark Aeon. | ||
| They don't care about MAGA, and they don't care about this audience. | ||
| They don't care about the tip of the tip of the spear. | ||
| And they particularly don't care what Donald Trump thinks about this. | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| This is absolutely central. | ||
| As we saw with Davos and this year at Davos is on the same Davos kicks off on the same day as the inauguration. | ||
| And we're going to have, you know, a Nor bin Laden there as our correspondent. | ||
| And we're going to cut between the inauguration and Davos because Davos is only a year ago. | ||
| You had the opening of artificial intelligence. | ||
| And I said the pouring in of capital now, literally hundreds of billions of dollars have been raised into artificial intelligence. | ||
| And the horse is out of the barn. | ||
| You're going to have a very tough time if you can possibly even put it back. | ||
| But go back to your point. | ||
| They're not looking for your approval audience. | ||
| They're not looking. | ||
| They don't care what you think about this. | ||
| They don't care about how you're going to try to stop this. | ||
| They're not, like I said, running it up the flagpole and seeing who salutes. | ||
| They're going down a very definitive path about this, Raheem Kassam. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| And it's a very important point that you make about how much money has been sunk into this already. | ||
| They're not going to turn around and say, oh, right, OK, we didn't realize you guys didn't want that. | ||
| We'll back off and away from it. | ||
| They have in their heads already reached the singularity, right? | ||
| That is a fait accompli. | ||
| This is a conversation that they have been having for decades now. | ||
| And they've already deployed the capital and deployed the resources to get there. | ||
| They are they don't they're not looking for partners in you in me in any of the audience members. | ||
| They're looking for serfs. | ||
| They are looking for people who who will obey what Yavin refers to as arbitrary power in I think it was a 2008 essay that he wrote about how all of this stuff will come to pass. | ||
| It doesn't require any of your adherents. | ||
| It doesn't require you to vote for this thing. | ||
| The rejection of representation as a governance mechanism, which is rampant amongst this crowd, by the way, and by the way, don't underestimate Just how many people adhere to this without necessarily speaking up to it? | ||
| I meet people all the time on the political right who are fully-fledged believers in this way of thinking, which is, at its core, wildly authoritarian. | ||
| At its core, negates human agency definitionally, by the way. | ||
| It's not a byproduct of It actually requires them to negate your human agency and reject you as a stakeholder and participant in the future of human civilization in order to get to where they're going. | ||
| So this is Serfdom 101. We've seen this throughout human history, but we're now seeing it, and I know Joe knows far more about it than I do, we're now seeing it at a far more dangerous level because this is where tech Joe, jump in here. | ||
| Your thoughts? | ||
| Yeah, I couldn't agree more. | ||
| You know, Curtis Jarvin is an interesting thinker. | ||
| I've always found his ideas to be stimulating, but especially his early stuff when he was still writing as Mencius Moebug. | ||
| But increasingly, he is pushing towards that, you know, what is oftentimes called the dark enlightenment, you know, this idea of a red Caesar emerging, this return to a monarchical, governmental, and civilizational structure. | ||
| I don't have any place in that, so I have no time for it. | ||
| And this idea that the kind of lower IQ or lower socioeconomic populations should be serfs is abhorrent to me, but even more abhorrent... | ||
| This notion of a kind of greater replacement of human beings by AI or human beings as robots so that even as a so-called serf, you don't even have a plot to tell. | ||
| You don't even have any value at all. | ||
| You're not a useful idiot. | ||
| You're a useless idiot in that conception. | ||
| So, you know, the way that this ideological Movement is pushing, and it's not just Yarvin. | ||
| I mean, it goes across, really, the board with guys like Peter Thiel and Mark Andreessen and, of course, Elon Musk, not saying that their adherents were necessarily some kind of, like, you know, acolytes of Curtis Yarvin, but they are on that wavelength, and that's how they were able to get So much influence among the American right and the right across the world is because they do speak the language of the right in many ways, | ||
| but ultimately it's not anything like an American right because for them America is kind of already over. | ||
| Peter Thiel is maybe the one outlier, I just have to at least mention that, in that he is in some sense a Christian. | ||
| He's a Catholic Albeit a very unorthodox one. | ||
| But even in his conception, he sees the danger of AI. He sees the danger of a totally kind of digitized society. | ||
| But he's much more concerned about the governmental measures that we put in place to control them. | ||
| So that rather than worry about the AI antichrist, he's worried about a one-world antichrist. | ||
| And again, it just kind of frames this in a way in which these guys who are running these tech companies, these tech investors, they still end up being on top. | ||
| They still end up being the primary decision makers. | ||
| And then on down the line, the AIs they create are the primary decision makers. | ||
| I've got a minute here in this block, and then both of you guys are going to stick around. | ||
| Question to you, Joe Allen. | ||
| Raheem just made a comment that shocked me. | ||
| Have we hit the singularity from their perspective? | ||
| Have we already hit the convergence where we're at homo sapien 2.0, or at least homo sapien 1.5, sir? | ||
| You know, I can't give you that one in a minute, but I will say this, that we have absolutely reached Homo Sapiens 1.5. | ||
| That's us here. | ||
| That's almost everyone in the developed world. | ||
| The idea of the singularity is that moment beyond which no one can predict the future. | ||
| I think that we are fast approaching that. | ||
| Not necessarily super intelligent, godlike AIs, but something that normal humans will not be able to wrap their heads around and will be in utter confusion going forward. | ||
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| How about this to start the new year off? | ||
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Well, you're in the world for a reason. | |
| Happy New Year. | ||
| Yeah, Happy New Year. | ||
| Something to think about. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Joe Allen, our own Joe Allen, the editor of All Things Singularity. | ||
| The transhumanism. | ||
| Dangerous, dangerous topic. | ||
| And of course, Rahim Ghassam, the founder and publisher of the National Pulse. | ||
| We can get all this cutting-edge analysis. | ||
| We're going to take a short break on a New Year's Day. | ||
| We're starting off with a bang. | ||
| How about this? | ||
| Most people taking the day off are very sleepy. | ||
| Not here. | ||
| We're on the ramparts in the war room. | ||
| Back in a moment. | ||
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Back in a moment. | |
| He fought and a soul and a son. | ||
| For all Lang Syne. | ||
| my dear For au lang syne We'll take a call The great Sissel from Norway. | ||
| What a voice. | ||
| I'm going to go to Raheem in a second with this concept of Red Caesar, but I got to ask you, Joe, just for the audience, is when we talk about Peter Thiel and Elon Musk and Zuckerberg, these visionaries, Bezos, Sergei at Google... | ||
| Is the whole concept when they talk about transhumanism, they talk Homo sapiens 2.0, isn't it all boiled down to one simple thing? | ||
| This is nerd, nerd, rule by nerd. | ||
| It's nerdthink. | ||
| And the number one thing, since none of them really have, maybe Teal's side, none of them really believe in the faith of the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| I'm not sure any of them have any real religious faith except for this new techno-religion. | ||
| Isn't this project just about eternal life, that they can get eternal life? | ||
| They're absolutely panicked about leaving this veil of tears, and their whole efforts are really to extend their lives principally for eternity, sir? | ||
| That is definitely a strong, strong thread. | ||
| I mean, Elon Musk would be maybe an exception to that, at least in his rhetoric, but Kurt Ray Kurzweil is kind of the godfather, one of the people who really put this idea in the public consciousness. | ||
| You can upload your soul. | ||
| Then you have guys like Brian Johnson now, the kind of modern-day vampire who uses technology to monitor every bit of his physiological function so that he can optimize it. | ||
| And he says, don't die, we'll live forever. | ||
| So yeah, I mean, that's absolutely one of the central themes. | ||
| I mean, basically any You take any abstract concept from religion, whether it be Christianity or any other mainline religion, whether it be higher power, God, or gods, whether it be the human soul, or in their case, neurological patterns, or whether it be the extension of that soul into the future beyond this life, and for them, again, it's like uploading your soul, having an AI basically be a clone or a swarm of clones of you. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Short answer is yes. | ||
| Eternal life or at least indefinite immortality until maybe the universe ends is one of the central themes of transhumanism, post-humanism, this whole singularity, religious framework, if you want to call it that. | ||
| Brahim Ghassam, the Red Caesar, this whole concept. | ||
| Can you explain that to folks? | ||
| Is Trump the Red Caesar? | ||
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| And Curtis Yarvin's masturbatory fantasy? | ||
| Look, very heavy topics for New Year's Day, but I just want to bring it back to something that Joe had mentioned there and remind people. | ||
| Hold it, hold it, hold it. | ||
| When Raheem's trying to get his fifth mimosa to take the edge off last night, or I guess it's a bloody, a double-strong bloody. | ||
| At this point, it's whatever you can get your hands on. | ||
| But the point Joe's making, and I think it bears repeating, and I think it will bear repeating all throughout this year as well as we continue to see these people come to loggerheads over this issue of techno... | ||
| I mean, techno-fascism, really, is what it is. | ||
| But it's because it strips away the consent of the governed. | ||
| And I'll talk about that just in a second with the Red Caesar stuff. | ||
| But this is also original sin, right? | ||
| This is about immortality for them. | ||
| It's about becoming godlike for themselves. | ||
| They have adopted this mentality. | ||
| To answer your question about my own statement from earlier, there's no doubt in my mind that these people have already decided that the singularity has effectively already happened. | ||
| What are we waiting for? | ||
| The only things they're effectively waiting for at this point, and this is why all the tech money that's flowing into the Political right now is actually quite concerning is regulatory stuff, right? | ||
| Can we actually get them to allow us to do this stuff to human beings at a mass scale? | ||
| And who is standing in our way otherwise, right? | ||
| So take all of that and then take the ideas that have been floating around kind of as noise, right, for the last 10, 15 years with these bloggers online like Jarvin, who used to go by Menchus Moldbug. | ||
| Which is to say that, hey, the right solution to the problem of the political left and the problem of wokeness and all of this stuff should actually just be a dictatorship. | ||
| Forget about the consent of the governed. | ||
| Forget about not just the consent of the governed of the left, of the people that vote for the left-wing politicians, but forget about it on the right as well. | ||
| or every single person should have no active say in wider government. | ||
| There may be arguments that they make, by the way, about localism and things like that, but it's a smokescreen, effectively a smokescreen for them saying, don't worry about what goes on in Washington, D.C. | ||
| Don't worry about what goes on in Brussels. | ||
| Don't worry about what goes on at the World Economic Forum. | ||
| That is for the self-appointed dictator class to make their decisions about, And that's what red Caesarism effectively is. | ||
| Actually, when you get down to the nitty-gritty of it, they are... | ||
| Throwing their hands up in the air and saying, well, actually, we really don't know how to do this within the confines of the American Constitution. | ||
| We don't know how to do it within the confines of Western civilization and all of its traditions and Christian traditions. | ||
| And so we're going to move towards this atheistic, authoritarian model of governance that actually doesn't have human agency and Christianity at its core. | ||
| And I think the problem with this topic is that when you go away and you go on a search engine and you look at Red Caesarism and you start Googling all these people, all that comes up is silly articles in The Guardian or in The New Republic or whatever. | ||
| It doesn't actually understand the mechanisms here and it doesn't actually understand the conversations that are going on in the right wing salons, whether they're in Silicon Valley, whether they're here on Capitol Hill. | ||
| So there's a steep learning curve this year. | ||
| That's why you have to hit the ground running in the new year. | ||
| And this is a subject that if we don't get our heads around, and if this audience doesn't get its heads around, then in 2, 3, 5, 10 years' time, people are going to go, oh my goodness, how did this happen? | ||
| Why did nobody warn us this was going to happen? | ||
| This is happening. | ||
| So is Raheem on to something, Joe, particularly with this whole thing? | ||
| Is this the manifestation of Curtis Yarvin's dark enlightenment? | ||
| Is this why? | ||
| Because a lot of people were confused when Elon's bouncing around the stage like a nine-year-old. | ||
| He goes, I'm dark MAGA. Is that what dark MAGA means? | ||
| It's definitely—there's a commonality, absolutely. | ||
| And, you know, again, with Yarvin, it's hard to tell, really, how much someone like Marc Andreessen takes him seriously, or someone like Peter Thiel or Elon Musk. | ||
| Like, who is really wearing the pants? | ||
| I'm inclined to think that people with the money and the machinery are really running the show and that Curtis Yarvin ends up being a bard singing their praises and elevating them from tech VCs and tech company owners. | ||
| To, you know, King and Red Caesar. | ||
| And if I could just close with one idea, you know, Curtis Yarvin's notion of a new monarchy. | ||
| If you could imagine the kind of LARP-y scenario of Elon Musk being paraded down, say, you know, Hollywood Boulevard with, you know, people in outfits following him for his coronation. | ||
| It is so, what's the term for it? | ||
| It begins with a G, lame, that I don't think America would ever go for it anyway. | ||
| But these guys are definitely intoxicated with their own wealth and power. | ||
| Maybe they just don't care how lame, we'll call it, it is. | ||
| Rahim, did we fight a revolution to break off from the most powerful empire in the world that was really going on the world stage at that time in India and North America to end up inviting into the tent and actually supporting folks that actually have as a concept a whole new techno-religion, something that strives for eternal life, man-made, that kind of mocks the Holy Spirit and sets up a new monarchy? | ||
| Is that what this constitutional republic is? | ||
| Is this what we're fighting for? | ||
| Right, and this is where I think the audience needs to pay particular attention, because the people who are advancing this theory, and Joe's right, we don't know who's wearing the pants here quite yet, but it's very clear, as you said earlier, Steve, this is kind of a masturbatory, a mental masturbatory, and it's kind of a circle jerk, actually, of all of these people who are egging each other on to go further and further. | ||
| Listen, I was the first Writer who actually wrote about Dark Maga when that started trending, actually it was years ago now. | ||
| And getting to grips with not just who are the figures online who are pushing this, but what does it really mean at its core? | ||
| And actually, I think dark MAGA was more about assailing your political opponents in far more effective ways, which I think there was a lot of frustration about the first Trump term, that it wasn't cutthroat enough. | ||
| This is something different. | ||
| This isn't MAGA at all. | ||
| MAGA believes in the American founding. | ||
| MAGA believes... | ||
| In the founding principles, not just of this nation, but of Western civilization, MAGA believes in the Judeo-Christian West, whereas this stuff eschews it. | ||
| It completely wants to turn its back on human history and effectively hit a reset button, right? | ||
| A reset button on human history, and then so you can go to Mars and start a fresh, you know, a total new civilization of people. | ||
| That I find to be extremely dangerous. | ||
| That I find to be a rejection of everything that people have fought for over the couple of hundred, you know, 250 years that the United States has been around. | ||
| And of course, since Jesus Christ himself came to us. | ||
| That level, or put it this way, the stakes just got higher, okay? | ||
| We're now fighting a war, a rhetorical war at least for the time being, over the trajectory not just of the political right but of Western civilization, and we're fighting it kind of within our own tent at the moment. | ||
| We have to have our wits about us. | ||
| And of course, the end of last year's H-1B fight was indicative of where these people want to go because, hey, at the core of that argument, guess what it was? | ||
| We don't actually care about the American worker. | ||
| We don't actually care about human dignity. | ||
| This is all about profit margin and proliferation for the next stage of human history, right? | ||
| That is... | ||
| Probably one of the most demonic things that we'll have to fight against at least over the next couple of years. | ||
| I have said for a long time that eventually transhumanism and the underpinnings of transhumanism are going to get homo sapien 2.0 or 1.5 is going to become the most important political issue in the West. | ||
| I'm going to ask Joe Allen and Rahim, are we going to start? | ||
| Is that what we're seeing now? | ||
| Is that why this is becoming the underpinnings? | ||
| And we're going to talk about debt ceiling and, you know, who's the speaker and what are the tactics of deporting 15 million people and what are we going to do with the bond market and how are we going to get a Ukraine? | ||
| All of those things that are everyday, although monumental occurrences, but what is the deep? | ||
| What are the deep forces driving modern culture, driving modern civilization? | ||
| That's what we're here for in the world. | ||
| This is why I just did modern monetary theory. | ||
| It is a dangerous idea. | ||
| It's been a catastrophic idea for the West. | ||
| It's the reason we have $300 trillion of debt globally, and we're about to have the world's biggest margin call. | ||
| Birchgold.com slash Bennett. | ||
| Go talk to Philip Patrick and the team. | ||
| It may be time for you to have a hedge. | ||
| Gold has been a hedge for 5,000 years of man's recorded history. | ||
| Go check it out. | ||
| The bagpipes take us out. | ||
| Joe Allen and Rahim Kassam on the other side. | ||
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| Okay, well, welcome back. | ||
| On one January of Year of Our Lord 2025, on a Wednesday, we kick off the new year as only the war room can kick it off. | ||
| We started talking about the four turnings from my movie from, I don't know, 2009, I think? | ||
| 2010? | ||
| I guess we started filming in 2009, so released in 2010. Still feels pretty fresh today, does it not? | ||
| Joe Allen, I have said for a long time that we're going to have the convergence of the singularity and the issues of the singularity and the technology of the singularity and the capitalism of the singularity or what I call the new feudalism of the singularity going to merge with modern society and politics. | ||
| I happen to think it's going to be 2025, and that's why I had you, Rahim, and Ben Hornwell on here. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Steve, I'm thinking about the present moment where you have the world's wealthiest transhumanist, Elon Musk, his wealth having almost doubled since Trump was elected. | ||
| And you have on the other side of that, the kind of World Economic Forum ideological hub with their meeting, you know, being dedicated to artificial intelligence. | ||
| It's entitled The Intelligence Age. | ||
| And it was announced at the same time that Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI, published a very brief essay called The Intelligent Age, and I'm sure that's no accident, simply about how artificial intelligence will, in fact, ascend to a godlike state, artificial godlike intelligence. | ||
| Elon Musk has long positioned himself Transhumanism. | ||
| The post-humanism or the kind of singularitarian mentality is driving not just culture and science fiction, it is driving decision-making at the absolute top levels of Silicon Valley or just the tech sector in general, the military, and increasingly I think the government will be much more responsive and probably pliable to this kind of wave of rule by algorithm or algocracy. | ||
| So, short answer, absolutely. | ||
| And just before I go, if I can just say, you and Raheem have bloodied your knuckles in this fight long before you ever pulled me down out of the arena rafters to join you. | ||
| I really, really appreciate everything that you've done. | ||
| Appreciate everything you've done for me and the Posse. | ||
| Happy New Year. | ||
| Happy New Year, sir. | ||
| Joe, where do you go to get all your right social media? | ||
| Joe's going to be on special assignment with us for much of this coming year, at least the first half, and not just ringing up for big conferences. | ||
| He's got other big thoughts that he's going to be thinking about and delivering to us at some time in the future. | ||
| Joe, where do people go and get you? | ||
| You got me at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, all social media, and of course, Jobot.X-Y-Z. Ton of new essays coming up there. | ||
| Again, Happy New Year, fellas, and Happy New Year to the War Room Posse. | ||
| Thank you, Joe. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Raheem Ghassan, with all the grubby, nasty, in-the-trenches politics we've got to deal with, right? | ||
| We were able to think great thoughts today, but the reason is, just like I did this thing on Modern Monetary Theory over at Birchgold.com, Bannon, you can get it today. | ||
| These massive ideas have huge consequences on people's lives. | ||
| That's what we want people to get ahead of them. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| Yeah, well, that's the entire point, right? | ||
| And this all comes down to motivation. | ||
| What are these different factions motivated by? | ||
| And I urge the audience, not just for yourselves, but for your family members, for the people that you recommend this show to, which you should be doing every single day, Ask them, who is motivated by what in all of these scenarios? | ||
| I've lived through Brexit and all of that fight. | ||
| We've lived through sometimes the running street battles in Washington DC and in Westminster with Antifa and Tommy Robinson and all of that stuff. | ||
| We lived through 2016. And Russia and all of this stuff, right? | ||
| Every single hoax. | ||
| Steve, they sent you to prison, for goodness sakes, right? | ||
| But I suspect that this fight ahead of us is actually going to be one of the most difficult and one of the bloodiest fights that we face in politics over the next couple of years. | ||
| And I urge people to think about it this way. | ||
| If you think the tech right, the Musks and the Teals and all of those guys are coming in behind the MAGA movement because they are risking their careers and their liquid net worths and everything for the future for themselves because they just so happen to agree with you and your politics and they want a better lot for you, I got a bridge to sell you if you think it's that. | ||
| There is a motivation here, an underlying motivation here, that if you don't believe me now, keep paying attention over the course of the next coming months, and I hope it doesn't take you years, ladies and gentlemen, to come to these conclusions. | ||
| But they showed their hand with the H-1B fight. | ||
| And now, I mean, they've never experienced an audience like this. | ||
| They've never experienced attention to detail like this. | ||
| So look to the motivations. | ||
| I will conclude with this. | ||
| We keep you at our core, and the way you know that we do that is we don't take any money from outside sources to run the National Pulse. | ||
| It's all 100% you, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| It's thenationalpulse.com forward slash warrum if you want to sign up. | ||
| But that's why I didn't want to go that route. | ||
| There's lots of billionaires and things like that who want to stroke checks so that you'll write what they want and say what they want you to say. | ||
| We are here for you. | ||
| That's what this has always been about. | ||
| It's been about that. | ||
| I talked on the Boxing Day special about the old Breitbart News radio show, Steve, listening to people, internalizing their hardships, and being their representatives, being their ambassadors here in Washington, D.C. That, I think, is all I need to say about it at this point, and I really, genuinely am deeply appreciative for you, the show, the staff, the team, Real America's Voice, everyone involved in it. | ||
| TheNationalPulse.com forward slash Warram if you want to support. | ||
| Great way to start the day is with The National Pulse. | ||
| Thank you very much, brother. | ||
| Happy New Year, Raheem. | ||
| Thanks for doing this. | ||
| Happy dry January. | ||
| Reams on a whole new kick. | ||
| For the entire staff and production team of the War Room, of course, everybody at Real America's Voice, a great team in Denver and in Palm Beach, or West Palm Beach. | ||
| Happy New Year. | ||
| We start off with a tough one today, but guess what? | ||
| You're tough people, and we're going to need tough people to get this republic, this constitutional republic, through this ordeal, and it will be an ordeal. | ||
| But if we've got to have a team that's going to win, I'd like who's on our side of the football. | ||
| Until tomorrow, the 2nd of January, 2025, this is Stephen K. Bannon in the War Rooms. | ||
| We'll see you tomorrow. |
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