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Episode 4162: A WarRoom New Year Special
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Turning are like the seasons.
Every turning is necessary.
We've discovered a recurring pattern and implicit in that pattern of generational recurrence the idea of a rhythm, a pattern, a sequence of events that comes around again.
Nature-like cycles.
Cities are founded.
Cities collapse.
States rise.
States fall.
Families can prosper.
Families can wither.
All follow certain repeating cyclical patterns.
We end up inventing new cycles.
So we have the financial market cycle, we have traffic cycles, we have all kinds of modern high-tech cycles, which we simply create.
There are four turnings, each one roughly 20 years or so long, so an entire four turnings or a saeculum lasts about 80 to 100 years.
A series of turnings that are launched by a so-called crisis war.
It's a time when there's a lot of genocide, a lot of killing, a lot of starvation, usually a lot of disease.
It's the worst times in history.
And once one of those is over, everybody, both the victors and the losers, make a vow that it was so horrible, it should never be allowed to happen again.
That's really the key to understanding what happens next.
The first turning is the high, like the 50s, that comes after the crisis.
It's a period of consolidation.
It's a period of stable families and stable family structures.
Lots of kids are born.
Lots of infrastructure is built.
But emotional life becomes more or less dead and begins to die out.
Baby boomers have no memory of World War II. Their childhood was the American high.
Next comes the awakening.
The perfect little children of the high, like the boom generation, become young adults.
They came of age during that period of rapid social and cultural change when we changed everything about how we felt, how we thought, how we talked, how we dressed.
We changed America's feelings about itself, our moral agenda.
Suddenly, their emotions break out and all hell breaks loose.
This became a generation of great passion, of youth anger that marked a rise at every age in drug use, teen pregnancy, crime, risk-taking, suicide.
Then comes the unraveling.
In the awakening, the eternal truths, the verities that are built up in the high, the values, are questioned.
That process accelerates during the unraveling and restraints are broken down in personal life, in economic life, in poetical life.
Unravelings in America have certain common characteristics.
They tend to be eras of a lot of economic speculation and more and more stronger boom and bust cycles.
For example, line that up with the 1920s.
Or go back to the 1850s in America.
Go back to the 1760s.
Consider in the 1990s a decade of cynicism and bad manners and public authority seemed to be pretty weak.
You notice repeatedly recurring again these eras that feel very similar.
Now, history teaches that usually third turnings finally issue into a fourth turning.
A fourth turning is the crisis.
And history shows that if an event doesn't trigger a fourth turning, a fourth turning leader will actually encourage one to happen.
Or one will simply hit us because of all the deferred public decisions that weren't made during the recent third turning.
this comes to a head in the fourth turning.
These fourth turnings become new founding moments of our nation's history.
Obviously, one fourth turning was the period of the American Revolution.
Another fourth turning was the Civil War era in which we redefined who we were as a nation.
In World War II and the New Deal, think of everything that changed in that era.
We re-established mankind's relationship with technology.
Government's relationship with the economy, America's relationship with the world.
Should all acquaintance be forgot and never brought to mind, Should all acquaintance be forgot and days of old lang syne?
Auld Lang Syne, my dear, for Auld Lang Syne, we'll take a cup of kindness we'll take a cup of kindness yet, for Auld Lang Syne.
We do have a booth, a place that stood on our side, with one and one, a weary with one and one, a weary foot, sin on Lang Syne.
For Auld Lang Syne, my dear, Lang Syne, my dear, for old Lang Syne, We'll take a cup of kindness yet for old Lang Syne.
And here's the hand, my trusty friend, and here's the hand of We're good
Auld Lang Syne, my dear, Auld Lang Syne, Real day thy love, Auld kindness Real day thy love, Auld kindness yet, Auld Lang Syne.
Auld Lang Syne, my dear, Auld Lang Syne.
we'll take a cup of kindness, This
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
is the primal scream of a dying regime.
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Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
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Mega Media.
jake tapper ▲ ● ▼
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's Wednesday, 1 January in the year of our Lord, 2025.
How's that sound?
It's got a flow to it, doesn't it?
2025. You're here in the War Room, and it's our New Year's Day special.
And I'm going to be joined today by our own Joe Allen.
We're going to talk about this whole techno-feudalism, and we're going to talk about the singularity and what's happening in the convergence of all these different sciences and what to look forward and how big an issue it's going to become in 2025. Sir Rahim Kassam is going to join us also.
We're going to get into this whole thing that's going on with tech feudalism and this underpinning on the MAGA right.
We'll get into that in updates.
And Sir Ben Harnwell is going to join me.
We're going to talk about geopolitics and all of it.
But in our New Year's Day show, we try to both summarize kind of where we take off on the New Year's Eve show, summarize where we've been and where we're going.
Ben, just pull the camera back for a second.
You've been with us for a number of years now.
We're going to begin, I think 2025 is going to be the most intense, consequential year in modern world politics.
It's going to be upon us as this populist nationalist movement worldwide starts to get traction.
But we still have a massive fight against the, as you call them, our sociopathic elite globalist tech overlords.
Sir, can you frame it for us?
2025?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Yes, Steve, I think you set that up perfectly correctly.
Only I would add that the fight now in 2025, seeing as MAGA has pretty much won the revolution inside the GOP, this fight is going to be within MAGA, I think within the American I think that's the first movement.
President Trump has all the cards in his hand to do what he needs to do, to do what he wants to do.
The question is, what does he want to do?
That's, I think, the issue that's going to evolve over the course of the next 12 months.
And if you look a couple of days ago over the fighting over this H-1B visa issue, and then, of course, again a couple of days ago, President Trump came out and fully endorsed Mike Johnson.
And looking at the resistance Of these things from within, looking at the comments or on Get and what have you.
These things are not going down well with the base, with the movement.
And I think that's setting up this issue for the whole of this year now, 2025, not next year, this year.
We're going to work out exactly what this movement intends to do, not only with this administration, but also for the next generation's fight that this administration is going to lead the way on.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Let's pull it back when we look at the geopolitics and the world stage.
We've got a minute or two here in this block.
You've been our closest because you're the outpost in Rome following the Ukraine situation.
But President Trump, because we have three kind of things he's got to do simultaneously.
One is in Ukraine.
The Third World War is now in its initial kinetic phase.
He's got to step in and end that.
He's got the deportations of the $15 million and ending the legal migration, I think, or quote-unquote legal migration.
It's just a joke.
And then deal with all this massive debt problems.
And quite frankly, he's doing it for the United States and our currency because it underpins the entire world system of $300 trillion of debt.
Your assessment?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Well, two of these issues, Ukraine and the budget, President Trump in endorsing, fully endorsing, I might add, Mike Nelson Johnson.
He's keeping in the key position, the head of the apex, a person who's singularly responsible for two of these issues, Steve, which you have been repeating for months and months and months now.
Unchanged.
And as we know, personnel is policy.
So look, I go back to what I said before.
These issues will need to be worked out.
And I'm sorry to have to say this to the war in policy.
You know, I'd like to say, look, go and have picnics, relax, chill.
We won the election in November.
So look, you know, we can relax.
It's not going to be like that.
I think really now, more than ever before, more than the election itself, the war in policy, Posse, we're going to have to, all of us collectively, keep our shoulder to the wheel.
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You know, we won the important part of getting Donald Trump back into the White House.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You thought you were going to get on a vacation.
Hang over a second.
Ben joins us from the Eternal City.
That would be Rome.
We've got Raheem's going to join us.
Joe Allen's going to join us.
I couldn't think of a better group to kick off...
The most intense, the most important, the most impactful, I don't even know if that's a word, year in not just our nation's history, but the world's history.
We started with my film, Generation Zero, About turnings.
We're in a fourth turning now.
Talk more about that.
We'll drill down all of it.
I think this is the Dublin Girls Choir.
Amazing.
We're going to play a lot of different versions of Auld Lang Syne today.
Short commercial break.
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Back in a moment. Back in a moment.
Back in a moment.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
That's the Robert Shaw chorale.
And I love, I've always loved the sound of a cappella with male voices.
And Robert Shaw chorale has always been my favorite, one of my favorites.
Ben joins us from the Eternal City, from Rome.
Ben, when I say this is going to be the most consequential, the most...
Thank you.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, I do agree with you.
And let's use the Thucydides trap analogy within a single country.
What you have within a single territory here is a declining hegemon, that is to say our sociopathic overlords being replaced by an emergent power, and that's the American First movement.
And as you introduce this concept to wide popular comprehension, I think it's a perfect way to illustrate this declining regime is not going to go peacefully into that dark night.
Not by any means.
It's going to fight and fight and fight and make it as difficult as possible.
That's why it's so dangerous.
We're not just in any other election year here or off the back of any other election year.
We're in a situation where there is, as you are pointing out, The seeds, the threads of this third world war dynamic are clearly already well woven into the fabric of international politics.
That is why the replacement of our sociopathic overlords is so dangerous.
Who knows what they are going to do when I say they're going to make it as difficult as possible for Donald Trump.
Who knows what the limits are, if there are limits to the things that they can do.
To give just one example, Sergei Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister, said a couple of days ago that Russia was going to remove its moratorium on its medium and long-range missiles following acts that it calls similar acts of aggression led by the United States.
All I can say, Steve, is that January the 20th cannot come quickly enough.
To try and bring some de-escalation to this.
But then by, you know, we know that the tentacles of the military-industrial complex are still very much alive.
They operate throughout NATO, which is its effectively international puppet.
So there's much to be attentive of.
I'll just say this point.
Again, a couple of days ago, we saw on the news that Joe Biden, in a single day, I don't know if you saw this saying that Ukraine is losing this war.
You know, the press, even the mainstream press, have been repeating that now over the course of the last 12 months.
Ukraine will lose this war.
The question is, what will our sociopathic overlords do off the back of that to create a situation for Donald Trump, where I suppose what they really want to do is to make him sit in the office late at night with his head in his hands and say, God, I wish I'd never won this election.
That's their agenda.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The kinetic part of the Third World War concerns me.
I want to go back, though, to what you said.
It's quite brilliant.
You made this analogy.
Thucydides' trap was Graham Allison's construct in talking about the relationship or the geopolitical tension between China and the United States.
He went back through history and came up with 14 examples or 12 examples where you've had a declining power and a rising power.
He went back.
His principal thing was Athens and Sparta.
And the one fallacy he forgot is I had lunch with him one day.
I said, hey, is there ever been an example where the declining power, the elites in that country were making more money and consolidating power more in their own country on the way down than they were on the way up?
And he kind of went hubbada, hubbada, hubbada, hubbada.
And I said, well, that's the situation we have here in the United States, which he didn't disagree with.
Yeah.
overlaugher, I think is quite brilliant.
I just wanted – this is a very important construct for the Warren Posse to start to get their arms around.
Walk me through that again.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
So as I understand it, this principle of the hypothesis of the Thucydides trap is that you have a hegemon, a dominant territorial power, and then you have – because as you were talking about in the introduction of the story, the story of the story, the story as we were showing the four turnings, but various themes, civilizations rise and they fall like bubbles in a lava lamp.
This happens throughout human history.
But when this large hegemonic power is overtaken by an emerging power, then normally the declining hegemon does not go peacefully, but Resorts to war as a last attempt to hold its grip on power.
And what I was suggesting is, you know, you might see this even within a single territory.
The facilities trap is normally applied to different states, competing states, rival states.
And I was just sort of applying it within a single territory to describe this movement between two power schema, if I can call it that, within one country.
You have our sociopathic overlords.
The regime, capital T, capital R, the deep state, call it what you will, this entity that is always in control no matter which party is notionally In control of the White House or Congress.
It's a huge, amorphous entity.
But that is always in control.
And what we see now, I think this is one of the truly epoch-changing natures of the America First MAGA movement, catapulting Donald Trump for the first time in his political career 2016 into the White House.
And again, In 2024 is a relationship between a movement and a person.
Donald Trump was elected by the people with a popular mandate to do certain things.
And you never really have that in American history.
You have the sort of bug-ins turn, like whoever's next to the line will take up the mantle of nominee.
And they don't really do very much different.
They don't really challenge the system.
Donald Trump, because his power base, and this is one that I think was inevitable after the invention of the internet and certainly after social media, but Donald Trump's power base is not the political party.
It's the people, specifically and directly.
And America hasn't really, I don't think, had this before, not even, say, in Andrew Jackson.
And so he is in a uniquely primed position To defeat, to drive a stake through the heart of the regime, of the deep state.
And we know, Steve, from human history, people will kill for very little.
They will murder for very little.
It might be like a drug addict will kill someone that he's robbing on the street for a few dollars, up until people killing to get their hands on a million pounds or something.
In inheritance, people are dark.
They have dark hearts.
What a regime will do to keep its hands on its trillion dollar budget every year, that is something that we're going to see.
But we saw, I think, elements of this in Butler in Pennsylvania.
They shot the man in the face.
And thanks to the grace of God, did not succeed.
That is, I think, what I mean to say, refer to this Thucydides trap within a single territory.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Hang on one second.
We're going to hold you to the break.
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We're here with Ben Harnwell.
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When we come back, we're going to play a little footage from the movie Waterloo Bridge.
Now why am I doing this?
It's a beautiful rendition of Auld Lang Syne when we come back.
It's about Vivian Leigh.
Vivian Leigh was in three movies in three years.
Gone with the Wind in 1939, opposite Clark Gable.
Waterloo Bridge, a tear-jerker, brilliant film in 1940, across from Robert Taylor, a huge star at the time.
And That Hamilton Woman, probably my favorite, one of my favorite films along with 12 O'Clock High, opposite her husband at the time, Sir Laurence Olivier, about my hero, Lord Nelson and Lady Hamilton.
Play.
This will be from Mordeloo Bridge when we return.
We're going to take a short commercial break right now, leave you with the music.
I think she's a Norwegian singer, Sissel.
Absolutely brilliant.
On a New Year's Day in 2025, here in the War Room.
Back in a moment.
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I'll let you all love me.
I'll let you all love me.
Tag här min hand, du trogna vän.
Gemenskapen är vår.
Den lever nu, den lever än i många långa år.
Should all acquaintance be forgot And never brought to mind Should all acquaintance be forgot
In the days of Auld Lang Syne For Auld Lang Syne My dear For Auld Lang Syne We'll take a cup of
A kindness gave for the sake of Odin Lang's eyes.
To all acquaintances be forgotten and never draw to mind.
To all acquaintances be forgotten in the day of morn and dawn.
We'll take our cup of kindness yet for the sake of Odin Lang's eyes.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Okay, that's from Waterloo Bridge in 1939.
Talk about a young woman on a roll.
1939, Gone with the Wind.
Totally, completely unknown actress.
Carries, at the time, the most important film Hollywood had made.
And she's virtually in every scene.
Just an absolute masterpiece as Scarlett O'Hara in 1940 under Mervyn LeRoy, one of the great directors of Hollywood, makes Waterloo Bridge a tearjerker.
About an army officer and a ballerina that if you haven't seen it, I strongly recommend it.
Black and white, but absolutely stunning.
And Vivian Lee at her best.
And then in 1941, my favorite, that Hamilton woman about Lady Hamilton, a kind of a notorious figure.
And Admiral Nelson, Horatio Nelson, the love affair they had and of course what he did.
For the British Empire.
That movie is quite controversial because later there's going to be a congressional investigation after the war had started.
I think it was actually after the Pearl Harbor Commission, during the Pearl Harbor Commission, because they wanted the British intelligence had gone a long way to make sure that film was distributed in the United States.
It's Winston Churchill's favorite film.
He played it at Checkers all the time, the country estate that he had and used to show it to to every dignitary or person that came out there for a weekend meeting.
Absolutely.
I heard he watched the film like 200 times, screened it one time, I think, on the transit.
The first transit that he did to come over here off of Nova Scotia for the for the first meeting that they had, I think, before even World War Two commenced for us at Pearl Harbor.
That Hamilton woman.
So Ben Harnwell on a now, why am I doing that?
I don't know.
It's a New Year's...
The film's kind of based around New Year's and beginnings.
It's always been a...
People know I'm a Vivian Lee fan, and I've always been amazed that when people have runs like that, 1939, 1940, 1941, to make three classics of which she carries against the top leading men of her day, Clark Gable, Robert Taylor, Sir Lawrence Olivier.
She carries all three films and steals every scene.
And that Hamilton woman, absolutely central, kind of how the British thought about themselves, themselves because they have this brilliant speech in the middle of it where Lawrence Olivier playing Hamilton is trying to explain to the British Admiralty how a little nation like Great Britain can stand, can beat off Napoleon, which is really the analogy Churchill was trying to have made at the time of Great Britain standing in the breach against Adolf Hitler.
Your thoughts, sir?
unidentified
Thank you.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Well, see, you want to segue, right?
I'll give you one.
I'm going to pick Leap off you talking about Czechos, which is the weekend country retreats of British Prime Ministers historically.
Let's talk about who might be a future Tenant of Chequers.
You asked me, Steve, if you remember a year ago, exactly a year ago, on our New Year's Eve show, not literally a year then, sort of 364 days ago, you asked me to identify the story from 2023, which I thought was going to be the big issue in 2024. And then I picked the story I picked.
I know Raheem's going to be on later.
The story I picked was the replacement of the Tory party, the British Conservative Party, the world's oldest Political party by Nigel Farage.
And over the course of the last 12 months, I have to say that prediction has been pretty spot on.
Just recently, a couple of weeks ago, the latest polls basically put all three major political parties on around 25%, give or take the margin of error.
Reforms are slightly ahead, if you want to know specifically, slightly ahead of the Tories, and Labour slightly ahead of reform.
But it's all margin of error stuff.
It's all Banging around 25%.
If this, right, if this trend continues next year, that will be, I think, Nigel Farage will be Prime Minister.
If this trend continues.
You asked me just a short while ago other things in Europe and other developments in Europe.
I cannot talk about the growth and strength of Reform UK without just mentioning what's happening with the AFD in Germany, that they have an election.
In February.
It's February, I think the 23rd or something like that.
And they are looking to increase in the polls by about 8 or 9. They are presently 9% ahead of where they were in the last election.
And they're looking to gain about 50% of their seats from about 80 something up to about 110, 120 seats.
And that will have massive repercussions.
For the whole of the European Union, because Germany is the largest economy, largest population by far in the European Union.
And if the growth and strength of the AfD in that country, that will manifest itself, then that will have, as I say, repercussions across the rest of the European Union.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Is the European Union and NATO and all of it going the way of the Holy Roman Empire?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
That was thanks to Napoleon, right?
Effectively, the Holy Roman Empire, a thousand-year-long reign that's kicked off on Christmas Day, 1800, by Charlemagne and all of those Habsburg.
They all disappeared by Napoleon, right?
More or less, and then the First World War in that 100-year stretch.
Is this going the way, you know, I would sooner say, addressing he of the famous T-shirt, I would sooner say that occupied Europe is going to go the way of Constantinople.
Because, you know, at the end of the day, the Holy Roman Empire dissolved into its various Sub-nations pretty much led at the end, hanging on the Austro-Hungarian Empire at the end of the day by the Habsburgs, and then that petered out at the First World War.
But the country has stayed intact, more or less.
What we're going to see in Europe, I think, is a far more substantial change to the whole fabric of the nation.
It'll be more akin to the fall of the Roman Empire, I think, than the Holy Roman Empire.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Why do you think?
I know you've got to bounce, but on this New Year's Day and looking forward, and we have all the things that have to convert here from President Trump, why do you think?
I mean, what's your argument for the intensity and the complexity and the urgency, but most important, the consequences of this year?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Well, probably I'd put it like this.
If you're talking about the United States, which is culturally, economically, militarily, the most powerful nation on the planet, It's intense both within the United States and because of the importance of the United States for the rest of the populist nationalist movements.
I can only go back to what I said before.
This movement, this America First movement, has a lot of work to do this year in 2025 to see what the potential of the Trump administration is, what direction that goes in.
There are some good things to look at, there are some less positive things, but that's to be expected, right?
That is entirely to be expected.
We're not going to ever get everything that we want, but in four years we can move a long way towards it.
Which is why I was saying that this movement needs to stand as attentive As it has been doing over the last few years.
The reason it's so intense, Steve, looking at specifically, addressing myself specifically to the United States, but it's pretty much the same across the European Union, is that half the population draws its sustenance, its income, its pensions off the backs of the other half that actually have normal, ordinary, regular working jobs in the private sector.
And they're not going to give up their privileges Willingly.
And that's why it's intense.
And they've never really been threatened seriously in the past.
What Donald Trump has, with his popular mandate behind him, with his Let's even mention on this subject, Elon Musk, what he has with Twitter, with X at his disposal, at Donald Trump's disposal, is something that this system has never had to confront before.
And they are going to be fighting for their livelihoods, this half of the nation, which exists off the back of the other working half.
That's why it's intense.
And that's entirely human nature.
It's entirely to be expected.
But these people are going to fight, to protect, to protect their prerogatives.
Just like the Ancien Regime fought and fought and fought in pre-revolutionary France, didn't give away any of its privileges.
And in the end, well, we know what happened in 1789. It was swept aside.
And you've used this analogy yourself.
In America, Steve, in the States, your famous quote says, I'm telling the billionaires all the time that we're heading into a French Revolution period.
That's absolutely the case.
That is the dynamic.
And it's not a consequence of the free market.
It's a consequence of the system having been gained in favor of the plutocracy, in favor of the billionaires.
And there's no evidence that this system is willing to bend and yield to someone like Donald Trump.
So we'll see, not just in the course of this year, but in the course of the whole term, the whole four-year term, we will see who wins that in the end.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Can you hang over one second?
I want to talk to you about Constantinople.
There's something my family put up on Christmas Day that's gone mega viral throughout the world.
We'll show you and have Ben or even have Raheem comment on it.
This is the Dublin Girls Choir, I think.
Dublin College Girls Choir.
unidentified
Quite beautiful rendition of Auld Lang Syne.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
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We're going to talk about Constantinople, the Ottoman Turks, and the Caliphate next on a New Year's Day.
unidentified
You have had all in the stream of morning sun till night.
For saves between...
Should old acquaintance be forgot and never brought to mind?
Should old acquaintance be forgot and days...
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
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So, Ben, at the Christmas dinner that we do every year with the Bannon clan, I was given a gift from my beloved younger brother, kid brother.
I'm a Navy pilot, and he gave me the T-shirt, and I just held it up.
Free Constantinople.
And I think Rahim had dinner with us.
Sir Rahim was with us.
And it went viral, millions of hits, and particularly in Turkey and Greece, sucked up a lot of media time.
Why is this such a hot issue in Turkey, brother?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
Because only in the secular West is history considered to be something that has very little relationship to today.
The rest of the world, and especially in the Islamic sphere, history is a key part of...
It's not just yesterday's politics.
It's the directional arrow that explains where you are, how you got there, and where you're going.
Look, Constantinople Constantinople fell in 1453, right?
Almost a thousand years, slightly more than a thousand years after the fall of Rome itself, second Rome, Constantinople.
It's a big issue in Turkey because the Turks are, you know, there are people via Asia Minor that go back to, at least to the New Testament times.
They have a history.
They have a very proud history, a noble history, via the Ottoman Empire.
And they're conscious of that.
We in the West, thanks to the progressive education, we've brainwashed the last three or four generations into being absolutely ashamed of all the good points of our history.
That doesn't really exist elsewhere in the world, where they'll take Elements that they're proud of.
And there'll be vibrant points throughout the culture.
So yeah, I mean, it was a problem.
Your T-shirt is a provocation.
I mean, you know, three comes on to no concept.
I don't know who we would free it for.
There were only a couple, 2,000, 2,500 practicing Orthodox Christians left in Istanbul.
What I mentioned earlier that the Europe is heading...
To perhaps a Constantinople point, rather than a collapse of the Holy Roman Empire.
What I meant is a full-on cultural change.
Nature abhors a vacuum, Steve.
We've pushed Jesus Christ out of our culture.
We haven't been interested in a supernatural sense in divine revelation, in the true faith, probably since the 60s, not in any serious capacity.
And as I say, nature appalls a value.
For the last 30 years, 35 years, the fastest growing religion in the UK is Islam.
Whilst we have conceptually hamstrung ourselves...
Islam is growing ever stronger.
In fact, it is encouraged by the weakness that we Christians seemingly show at the highest levels.
And that is the fate that faces occupied Europe.
And I've mentioned this before on the show, and I always say, America is not yet in the dire situation that we are in occupied Europe.
And I said this before, I'll say it again.
You guys, you can still turn things around.
And I don't think we can in Europe.
And I would say that fundamentally our last dying act as a civilization in Europe will be to convince America not to walk down the path that we have walked down.
But to come back to Constantinople, history for them isn't just something that happened five years ago.
Look, when 9-11, right?
9-11, when Osama bin Laden flew those planes Open brackets, perhaps with the CIA's help, perhaps with Mossad's help, into the printout as well.
That date, 9-11, that represents something Islam.
It was the day after Jan Sobieski lifted the siege of Vienna in, I think, 1683 or something.
That was the last, when the Poles lifted the siege of Vienna, that was it for 400 years at an institutional level.
That was the end of the Islamic Empire's attempts to take over continental Europe.
And that date by Osama bin Laden was picked.
Because as I say, in the Islamic sphere, history isn't something dead and forgotten and of interest only to some obscure eccentrics.
It's part of their living identity.
And we are damaging ourselves by not realizing that.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
We try to do that here in the war room.
The past is not even the past.
If I can draft off one of the great writers in the United States of America.
Ben, social media.
Where do people get you over the holidays?
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
I am always on GetterSteve as my social media platform of choice, either on Twitter there at Ben underscore Harnwell.
I might start using that profile a little bit more in 2025, but fundamentally I'm on Getter at Harnwell, where I do read, I don't respond, but I do read every comment posted.
On my stuff on Getter.
Thanks, Steve.
Let me close by wishing you and the War Impossy and the great team in the production teams both in DC and in Denver a very happy new year.
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Happy new year to you, sir, in the eternal city.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Thanks, brother.
ben harnwell ▲ ● ▼
God bless.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
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