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Dec. 12, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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WarRoom Battleground EP 670: Defending Our Northern Border
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cleo paskal
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mike lindell
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steve bannon
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nicolle wallace
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One of the things to look at here as well is that Kash Patel does have these relationships with a lot of these whistleblowers, as they describe themselves, these conservatives who have a lot of complaints about the FBI. Now they call themselves the suspendables.
I've been talking with a lot of folks about what their views on Kash Patel is, and he has pretty close relationships with them.
them.
In fact, he actually supported a number of them financially through his group, the Cash Foundation, when a lot of them were sort of pushed out of the Bureau.
And, you know, a couple of them, the inspector general discovered that, in fact, the Justice Department had sort of been using the suspension of their clearances process as a way to sort of push them out of the Bureau.
So there was some legitimacy to some of the claims that they were making about the way that the internal process had been used.
But, you know, what you essentially have now is a lot of people who want, a lot of people in Cash Patel's circle who really do want to see a lot of huge change to the Bureau, a huge change to the FBI.
And that is really, as David was highlighting there, is really worrying a lot of folks within the Bureau and what the future is going to hold for them.
Chris.
nicolle wallace ▲ ● ▼
Andrew Westman, let's go back to today and the decision.
What's broken is that nobody has confidence that a fulfilled background check will happen by the FBI, which means a full investigation, and no one has any confidence that the Senate Republicans will digest that information if he's viewed as a threat or unfit, act on it.
That's what's broken, and that's where we don't spend quite enough time pressing and exposing the failures.
unidentified
You bring palpitations to my heart because that's exactly where I wanted to go with all of this.
Because when you take it in the fullest context of what Director Wray said today in his stepping down, and I solidly applaud the idea and his continual emphasis in use of the rule of law and principle and standing in the principle.
Those are words.
The problem we have had that nobody in Washington actually wants to do what the words require you to do.
Stand on principle.
That means standing firm in the face of the onslaught from MAGA and Trump.
That means flipping them the bird for once and telling them to kiss your ass.
That means come at me, baby.
You ready?
Let's do this.
I'm the director of the FBI. Right?
And you want to dance?
Let's dance.
I'm here.
You want me gone?
Fire me.
Because that's the principled position.
The unprincipled position is what Trump is doing.
And the way he's doing it.
And it just, I don't know what the hell is wrong with folks in this town.
That they just, all the bravado, all the sanctimony, all the crap that they spew out in private moments, they cannot find a microphone and stand in front of it and tell Donald Trump to take a leap.
I don't care if you are coming as the next president, you are not going to do this.
I have a term.
I'm in office for 10 years.
I got three years left.
You want me, boo?
Come at me.
Right?
That's what America also needs.
Not this sort of placating, oh, you know, the economy is tough and gas is more expensive and inflation.
Yes, those things are...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You see the meltdown all over.
It is Wednesday, 11 December, year of our Lord, 2024. Thank you for joining us for the second hour of the late afternoon, early evening edition, and of course our fourth hour of the day.
Mike Lindell joins us.
Mike, of all day, so glad and honored to have you on here today, particularly the day that Chris Ray...
Some folks, you know, most of us know, but some folks don't know that the FBI... Went out of their way to harass Mike Lindell.
And this is what they do, right?
Kind of what they, you know, like Tina Peters.
They go to a, she's having a cup of coffee at, I don't know, Starbucks somewhere.
And these investigators come in and they handcuff her and hassle her in front of people.
And they're trying to humiliate you.
They shackled Peter Navarre, a 70-year-old man who had already been assistant to the president.
Now, assistant to the president, I believe, is the same rank as a major general.
In the Army.
They came and shackled Peter Navarro like a dog in Reagan National Airport and then took him down on the tarmac and then even tried to rough him up a little bit, right?
Because they're tough guys.
They're tough guys.
By the way, everybody who's on that Peter Navarro team, you're going to get looked at.
Okay?
The Mike Lindell.
Mike Lindell, would they try to humiliate you?
Did they not, sir, to come and get your phone?
Instead of, Mike Lindell's got, hell, Mike Lindell's got $25 million legal fees.
Mike Lindell's got lawyers all over the place.
Could they not call Mike Lindell's lawyers and say, hey, we'd like Mike Lindell to come in and turn in his phones.
They do this a lot.
And we've got a warrant, or we've got this, the paperwork.
No, what they did is they hunted Mike Lindell down, they trailed him down, and a public humiliation at, I don't know, Arby's or Wendy's.
Hardee's, Hardee's.
You know, Mike Lindell, he of ultra-processed food.
And they try to humiliate you.
This is a scare tactic.
Here's the thing, guys.
McCabe is crying and whining on national TV. He's going to leave the country.
Ray just quit.
You guys are nothing but a bunch of wimpy, gutless cowards.
You see Mike Lindell leave?
You see Steve Bannon leave?
You see Peter Navarro leave?
You see Donald Trump leave?
No, we spit right in your face because we detest you.
And we won.
And now you're going to pay the piper.
This is outrageous.
You are gutless cowards.
Mike Lindell.
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼
I want to comment to that.
So everybody, let me tell you other things they did.
In the state of Colorado, they ripped Sharona Bishop, came in her house, ripped her daughter down the steps.
They bashed the door in.
They knocked on the door and then bashed it in as they're all having coffee in the morning for breakfast.
Nobody got arrested.
They humiliated a gal, pulled another gal, 15-year-old, out in the yard in their underwear.
Now, when I pulled into a Hardee's in the, I believe it was September of 22, I pulled into this Hardee's coming back from a hunting trip.
They didn't just, you know, know I was going to be there.
They tracked me all the way down to Iowa and back up into this Hardee's.
We pull in there.
My buddy's sitting next to me, and I said, a car pulls in front of me, crossways, one up beside me and one behind me.
Now I get out of the car and I go, who are you?
I told my buddy, you just stay where you are.
This is bad.
I get out, who are you and what do you want?
We're the FBI. I said, I don't believe you.
Show me a badge.
Some guy showed me a badge.
Another one over here.
How about you?
You got a badge?
He goes, yeah.
I said, okay, maybe bad guys probably wouldn't carry two badges.
But let me tell you, if they'd have done this at night, Steve, I would have bashed through them and took off to find a real cop.
No way to identify them, whatever.
Now they pull me over and they start in.
They go, yeah, we're not going to arrest you, Mike.
We're not going to arrest you.
And I go, well, I haven't done anything wrong, but what are you doing?
They're asking me these questions.
Well, here, two of them were for Colorado, and two of them were from Minnesota here.
And I finally put two of them together.
I go, you guys should be ashamed of yourself.
What are you out doing?
I said, you're taking my, they haven't even took my phone yet.
I said, what you did in Colorado, ripping this gal down the steps, and I said, and then you knock on her, you bash their door in.
The guy goes, she didn't open her door fast enough.
I said, it was 38 seconds from what I hear.
What do we all have to have a little egg timers for the FBI? Quick, open the door.
It's the FBI. Run before they bash the door in.
Anyway, I start shooing these guys out.
Now, they tried to do it for public harassment.
All the people were gathered in the parking lot.
Then it gets down to, they go, we're not going to arrest you.
And I go, well, I want to be arrested.
I wanted to.
I said, I want to go to the January 6th thing that they want to invite me to, even though I wasn't there.
Mike, we're not those FBI guys.
So, Steve, what happens then, they go, well, we want to take your phone.
I go, you're not getting my phone.
I'm going to call my lawyer.
No, you can't call your lawyer.
I said, let me get this straight.
I can't call my lawyer, but you're going to take my phone, but you won't arrest me?
I said, that ain't happening.
So we went back and forth, finally get a hold of the lawyer.
He says, go ahead, give him the phone.
I'm like this, so I give him the phone.
They told me not to tell anybody.
I got on my show and told the world.
But Steve, I stood in that parking lot.
This is what I'm getting at.
And I started giving them, I started witnessing to them, talking about my book.
The one guy who read my book, I said, you know what?
I said, what you guys are doing, this is so morally wrong.
And the one guy goes, well, Mike, it's our job.
I go, you should be ashamed of yourself.
You're going against, you're attacking citizens of our country.
What has happened to the FBI? You grew up, you guys were heroes.
Now what are you doing?
Because somebody up above, up the ladder, told you to do this and you think it's right?
What you're doing is wrong.
I'll never forget that.
And all of them, you could see they felt bad.
After an hour of me giving them speeches and talking to them, they said, Mike, we got to go.
And I go, you guys are the one that stopped me.
I said, then my guy goes, I've been doing this 30 years and never seen anything like it, where, you know, you're preaching to us and telling us what we've done wrong.
And you're right, Steve, we didn't back down.
That guy, that guy...
Hopefully this is the biggest, you guys, we're in the biggest change in American history, from the FBI, from everything.
This is, I've said it before, the 2020 election actually, the most important election in history, because what it did the last four years, it exposed more and more corruption and more and more things, and the onion would be an open, not just on the election platforms, but all across our country.
I'll tell you, I think back to them, by the way, maybe I'll get my phone back.
People always say, did you get your phone back?
No!
I went all the way to the Supreme Court for that, and the Supreme Court wouldn't even look at it.
And it came back here to Minnesota, and they asked the government, the Eighth Circuit here, the three judges said, they asked the FBI, they go, well, why do you need his phone?
Why couldn't you just take a copy?
And they gave some excuse, and the guy goes, well, what about attorney-client privilege?
Well, we're looking through it, and we're going to, you know, we'll decide what's what.
Well, that's like a jury.
Pretend you didn't hear that, Jury.
Steve, it's just, it was disgusting.
And what we're seeing, I'd love if you showed that meltdown there right before the MSNBC. I mean...
People are so, the FBI has become something and these guys that I talked to you guys, they're good people.
I really believe those guys are there, but they were following orders and they didn't have, they were like sheep following.
unidentified
Okay, okay, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You're pitching Herman Goering's defense in Nuremberg.
Doesn't work.
They're not good guys.
They're rational human beings, and these orders were illegal, and they followed them anyway and harassed people.
At Danbury Prison, you've got the holiest people I've ever met.
These people have no money.
They're basically paupers because they go around.
They don't even work jobs.
They basically pray rosaries in front of abortion centers.
They have no money.
The humblest, nicest people, almost like monks.
The stories of the FBI going over jackboots and trying to intimidate them.
You're all tough guys when you walk in.
You got all jackbooted up.
You got all your weapons.
You come in a group of 20. You ain't so tough when you're singled out.
You see McCabe crying on TV. Comey whining on TV. Brennan worried on TV. Weissman, that little valley girl voice on TV. And Chris Ray quitting.
You're quitters and you're losers.
unidentified
Right.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Okay?
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼
You don't stay.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
If you believed in it, if you believed in the FBI, if you believed in your mission, if you believed you had done nothing wrong, if you believed in it, you would have served out the three years.
You didn't.
Because you know you're culpable in all of this, and you're going to be investigated.
You're going to be found, investigated, and then, I don't know, maybe they adjudicate it.
Maybe they take it to something before your jury appears.
I don't know.
That's all in the future.
It's not my shtick anyway, right?
There'll be somebody else's.
But I got to tell you, we were a small part of running you out on that and dogging you out of here, and we get part of a scalp.
Mike Lindell.
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼
And when I say the four that were with me in Mankato, Minnesota, I said they seemed, and there was one gal, I think it was five of them.
I believe they were nice people, but they were cowards.
They were cowards.
They were doing stuff that was wrong, and they knew it.
And because they had very bad people up above leading the FBI and all the corruption and stuff that went with it.
So you're right.
They're not good.
unidentified
Hang on.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You drive me crazy.
You drive me crazy.
No, no.
No, because Lindell, you're a nice guy.
Everybody knows.
You're a super nice man.
And President Trump is like this, too, and others that are kind-hearted.
But here's the thing.
The reason that they obeyed the orders is very simple.
And yes, there were bad people above them that gave the orders, but the reason they obeyed the orders, ladies and gentlemen, is quite simple.
They never thought we'd come back.
They thought we were done.
And they thought by their executing it, hey, it's a bad order.
These guys may never be bad guys, but I'm never going to see them again.
They crossed the system, and I'm just a grundoon in the system.
And so the system says they have to go, and I'll never see them again, so there won't be any penalty.
That is the core of the problem.
We came back.
You know why we came back?
We didn't flinch.
We didn't cry.
We didn't whimper.
We didn't run.
We didn't leave the country.
We stood and we fought and we were victorious.
Elections have consequences and victories have consequences.
And you're going to suffer the consequences of our victory.
And I don't care if...
If Rachel Maddow doesn't like it, I don't care if Nicole Wallace doesn't like it or the editors of the New York Times, and particularly what I really don't care, if Rupert Murdoch and his corrupt kids at the Wall Street Journal and Fox News don't love it.
Okay?
We could care less what you like or what you love.
This was one of the greatest black marks in the history of our republic.
They tried to destroy people, destroy them, because they stood up for a stolen election, which they knew was stolen.
And quite frankly, you see in Biden...
He's not even president.
He outs himself every day.
He knows he's illegitimate.
He can't even show himself around Trump.
He's hiding up in Delaware, wimping around.
They're all sitting there going, we really wish Biden would act like president.
Trump is now the president.
Because he always was the president.
Because he won in 2020. And every day, and every action, and your reaction to that, like Ray quitting, like Brennan whimpering, like Weissman crying, like McCabe wanting to leave the country, reinforces that.
Mike Lindell.
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼
No, you're exactly right, Steve.
And they all knew it, and I've said it before, you guys.
I wanted to give everybody hope in this country.
I've always called it the biggest cover-up of the biggest crime in the history of the world, the 2020 election.
But one thing we've done is we broke through the biggest cover-up because our voices never quit.
You never quit, Warren Posse.
We never quit putting our, Steve's show here, never quit putting out our voice, putting it out there, putting it out there.
Now you're seeing the victories of that, not just Donald Trump winning the election, But all the stuff that's been exposed because we never ever stopped.
We kept talking and talking and talking about it and all the stuff that's been revealed.
You're just talking about one FBI here.
There's so many things.
I got so many things that have been revealed out there.
I can't keep track of them all.
But we needed all that for where we're going now, by the way.
Everyone says, well, Mike, what are you doing now?
We're out there.
We're going to get the most secure elections by 2022 you've ever seen in history.
We're out working every single day all over the country, gathering what we gathered since 2020 and all the way up to this election to be able to say, hey, we want to be the...
The gold star of elections in the world.
We want to have the best elections you could ever have because we never want to go through what happened.
Where our country is going with artificial intelligence and all this other stuff, who do you want leading your country?
People that we select or that we elected for the people or people that were selected by evil?
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Mike, so look, good on you.
Chris Ray's gone.
Cash Patel's going to be in there.
They're in full meltdown.
And Mike Lindell, I mean, all the money he spent on lawyers, they try to debank him.
They try to get all his credit lines gone.
All big box.
It's like President Trump.
There's so much more that happened to President Trump, and this is why he's a hero.
He didn't tell you all about it.
So much more happened to Trump than you'll ever know.
Mike Lindell, I've seen this guy every day.
They, in every different aspect, maybe one notch down from Trump, they tried to destroy him.
His business, his employees, all of it.
All of it.
Here's a guy that used to be a drug addict and a degenerate gambler and turned himself around and accepted Jesus Christ and went from selling pillows at the back of a car at a flea market to build one of the great companies in this country.
You know how they rewarded him?
You know what they thought?
These scumbags.
We're gonna destroy him.
We're gonna get rid of his employees.
We're gonna shut the whole thing down.
Well, guess what?
It didn't work.
His company's back better than ever, but what he suffered in the interim, and this is why I'm so proud of you.
Mike Lindell didn't come on here whimping and crying about that.
You know what he did?
He hunkered down.
He hunkered down.
And I have no pity and no empathy for these people that did this.
And guess what?
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Mike Lindell, we love you, brother.
Promo code worm.
Promo code worm.
Brother, thank you so much.
We'll see you tomorrow morning.
mike lindell ▲ ● ▼
Yep, see you soon.
Thanks for having me.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Mike Lindell.
Look, the reason we all made it through here, the reason we all made it through here, President Trump, Mike Lindell, Peter Navarro, all of us, was this audience.
Your prayers, your thoughts, and you're having our back.
And that's what won on 5 November.
And they still can't grasp it.
They can't grasp it.
And they don't know the fundamental changes are coming.
Am I correct?
Did I read this correctly?
This is President Trump playing four-dimension chess.
Did President Trump announce that President Trump has invited President Xi to the inauguration?
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
It is.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
That brother's playing.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
That is breaking news.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Now my head's blown up.
He's playing.
Maybe now, I was going to do the War Room.
We were going to do the morning show leading up to it and everything like that.
But heck, maybe if they sit me next to Xi, of course Xi would probably have me handcuffed.
I think I'm a wanted person.
I'm a person of interest in China.
This is President Trump playing five-dimension chess, is it not?
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
It is.
And also, breaking news, President Trump told the CEO of Lockheed Martin he will be canceling the $1 trillion F-35 contract when he takes office as well.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Oh my lord.
Oh my lord.
That's a bombshell.
This gets to the pivot.
The F-35 program, which is the most expensive weapons platform we've ever had, but highly effective in the tradition of jets and fighters.
I think this leads into the future of what drones are going to be.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
It does.
And back to what you were saying, this is him playing 5D chess.
It's just not one avenue.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Is it five-dimension chess?
I meant it's five-dimension chess right now.
I'm playing four-dimension, he's playing five.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
But it's not just one avenue with President Trump.
He's going in all different avenues and he's thinking outside of the box.
And that's what we expect from the President of the United States.
Not someone that has to be spoon-fed his smashed bananas and peas and carrots in the basement.
But that's what we expect, and he's thinking five steps ahead of everyone else.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Unbelievable.
Other big news is going to be breaking here, I think, momentarily.
I'm getting a little heads up.
I'm going to tease it.
We're going to wait for it.
I'm going to pivot after the break.
I've got two very special guests that are going to join me.
I've got to talk about the CCP. There's so much going on with the CCP and what's happening right now and prepping.
I want to make sure everybody's up to speed on that.
The folks at Birch Gold...
So folks, so we had some wins, and big wins, down in North Carolina, and I really want to thank the Warren Posse, particularly the Tar Heels.
And look, this kind of hurts me as a Virginian.
People down in that part of the country understand that Virginia and North Carolina are very, very competitive.
And now I'm the first to admit I do own property down in a section of North Carolina.
It's very close to my heart.
My sister lives down there.
She loves it.
I know so many Virginians that have moved down there.
What's happened in Western North Carolina, where your Uncle Chris used to live down there in Asheville, Where Mark Meadows is from, it's just been horrible.
And my sister's been telling me nonstop that these people, and I just got reinforced with about folks going on there with Samaritan's Purse and having no, FEMA's not around, and they don't know if it's payback.
This vote in Carolina today, Mo, was so important.
And the war room posse stepped up 72 to 46, all Republicans.
Let me repeat, all Republicans, including the three or four We're on the bubble.
And that came from your calls and your reinforcement.
I heard it was a massive outpouring.
The vote just took place.
And this really kind of sorts things out before the Democrats continue to pass on the administration to a new Democrat.
And quite frankly, I still don't understand the math how everybody lost.
Some of the candidates down ticket were absolutely fabulous.
But...
You're going to get turbulence, and a lot of turbulence.
We know this.
The NDA passed $900 billion.
I'm still not buying, even DeGrasse.
What a great guy.
Other guys have pitched me.
I'm not buying the fact, once you lock that number in, that number's the number.
Elon and these guys are not going to have the opportunity to shift it around, I don't think, except on the margins, because I fought this thing being approved.
Only 16 Republicans voted against it, including...
Birchett, including Marjorie Taylor Greene, Burleson, a lot of the folks.
A lot of the folks you see in the war room, a lot.
Chip Roy, Andy Biggs, others.
And Mo, if you and Grace can put that up, I want everybody in the posse to see that right now online.
Birchgold.com slash Bannon.
End of the Dollar Empire.
You can talk to the Birchgold guys directly.
Philip Patrick and the team are the best guys out there.
If you have your phone, type in Bannon, B-A-N-N-O-N, at 989898. Mo Bannon.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
Well, I have the 16 Republicans that voted no.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You want to read them?
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
Biggs, Burchett, Burleson, Crane, Good of Virginia, Gosar, Green of Georgia, Griffith, Hageman, Massey, Norman, Perry, Rosendale, Roy, Self, and Staub.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Pretty good list.
Pretty strong.
And there's some good names not on there.
I'm sure they have their own reasons for that, but we have to stop this madness.
Look, Mo is a graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point, 101st Airborne, served in Iraq.
I was a naval officer for eight years and cleaned four on a destroyer, which was probably the best time of my life, the time I was...
I'm directly contributing to the defense of my country.
We would both tell you, you can't continue on this madness.
You can't do $900 billion going to a trillion dollars.
We can't afford it.
Mo, Warpath Coffee?
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
You can go to warpath.coffee, promo code WARROOM. You can get the Mariner's Blend, the Dark Roast.
I'm not a black coffee drinker, but I will drink this Dark Roast.
I also like the flavored coffee, like the vanilla hazelnut.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Don't give me, you don't drink the Dark Roast.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
I do.
I do.
Actually, at Aunt Mary Beth's house, I did drink the dark roast.
No cream, no sugar, and I actually really like it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
That's all we have.
You go to her house, you get the pumpkin flavor or whatever the spice mint.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
The vanilla hazelnut, the Christmas or the holiday blend.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's not coffee.
Although they sell out.
They're so good that Tej tells me they can't keep them stocked.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
They do.
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steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
That's a great holiday gift.
A stocking stuffer of a generator.
Let's have a generator.
maureen bannon ▲ ● ▼
Or Rebels, Rogues, and Outlaws is a coffee table book.
They're all great Christmas presents.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Come on, get ready for Christmas right now here in the War Room.
Okay, short commercial break.
We're going to return in a moment.
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All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room Battleground with Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Okay, welcome back on a huge day full of wins.
Went into North Carolina, didn't quite win, kind of lost maybe in the NDA. Big win over the FBI and so many more.
Show's packed today.
It's going to be even more packed tomorrow morning.
Honored to have on one of my favorite people, Cleo Pascal, the columnist for the Sunday Guardian.
You've got to remember, the Sunday Guardian is actually center-right to far-right from India.
It's one of my favorite papers.
You have been on here before to warn us about the third island chain or whatever that we fought 80-some years ago in Terawa, in Peleliu, all throughout there to win these, and now we're giving them up.
But you wanted to come over today, you're on Capitol Hill, to warn us that we've got a deeper problem in that.
And I just want to announce, Xi, President Trump, I guess playing five-dimension chess, invited Xi to the inauguration.
What's the national security concern with the Chinese coming into the country without visas?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
So you know where Guam is, obviously.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I spend a lot of time there.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Yeah, so just north of Guam is the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas, which is part of the United States of America.
That's Saipan and Tinian.
Tinian is where Northfield was.
That was the biggest airfield.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Well, that's where we launched from the atomic bomb.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
That's where the Enola Gay took off from.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
And the Saipan is where 10,000...
Japanese threw themselves over the cliff instead of surrender to American troops, right?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Yes, and it was Mount Tapachau.
It was one of the most horrific battles.
It was where the Marines came up against, for the first time, an enormous civilian population, the Chamorros, who lived there and dealt with it.
In fact, there's a beautiful Christmas story.
They won 80 years ago this last summer.
And so they had the island.
They had Saipan on Christmas 1944. And they had all of these Chamorro and Carolinian children who were in camps.
And the CBs and the Marines brought them out of the camps.
They paired one CB to one child.
And made them Christmas presents and gave them a Christmas because the American military men were so missing their own kids and these kids were so displaced that they came together for this incredibly beautiful Saipan Christmas.
And that was part of the reason why that the compassion of the American military men who were there was one of the reasons why the people of that location voted to join the United States of America.
And they are the newest part of the United States of America.
They became Americans in the 1970s, the complicated 1980s.
And that is American territory with American citizens on it.
And Chinese citizens can arrive there without a visa.
They can just get off a plane, no background checks, no visas, nothing in CNMI. Just Saipan, but also Guam?
So they're not supposed to leave CNMI. Okay.
But by the hundreds...
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They do.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
They're illegally taking...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Because Guam is a big...
It's a huge honeymoon place for the Japanese.
I mean, Guam's turned in...
When I was there, it still had the World War II stuff.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
But, man, it's a major resort place now.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
It also happens to have a couple military bases.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Or three.
A heck of a naval base there.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
So they've been finding...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The only place really got deep water things you can put ships in dry dock and work on them.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
And they've been finding these Chinese wandering around the bases.
unidentified
Okay.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
So we've been looking at the southern border and at the northern border, but this western border is wide open.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You're saying the western Pacific border is wide open.
Wow.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
So what do we need to do?
Are you alerting people on Capitol Hill about this?
Why does this seem to get Noah, given the sacrifice in blood?
It was for us to take it and understanding how strategic it is given what the Japanese did and the Chinese are just trying to replicate that in East Asia.
Why is that lesson lost on us, particularly over in the Pentagon with like the Marine Corps?
I mean, people should be up in arms about this and they're not.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Yes.
I think what happened was that greatest generation that was in Congress and that created this relationship with CNMI and the other islands is no longer there.
So the institutional memory and the personal memory of the people who fought in that area, people like Ben Gilman, who is head of HVAC, he fought in the Pacific.
He took off from those airfields.
He knows personally what that cost.
He never would have let this happen.
And this rule that allows the Chinese to arrive without a visa, that's Homeland.
Homeland could change it with the stroke of a pen.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Homeland Security.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
So Kristi Noem and Homan and these guys.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
They could close that door overnight.
Over 30 members of Congress, all Republicans, wrote to Secretary Mayorkas and asked him to close that loophole.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
And he refused?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
He refused, yeah.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Did they have a reason or he just refused?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
He said that in sort of 2008-2009 period, the Chinese contributed a lot to the tourist economy of Saipan.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Please don't tell me that was the excuse.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
That was the excuse.
And the other thing is that we mentioned they're rebuilding the fields on Tinian, on Northfield, right?
There's a Chinese-linked casino that just opened up on the dual-use harbor in Tinian.
This follows on another casino that they had on the main island of Saipan that was running more money through it than the casinos in Macau.
Now, the governor of CNMI, very good man, he's testified before Congress and said, investigate me.
Send resident DA, send FBI, send Treasury, go through everything related to anything you want.
Clean us up.
Because he knows how vulnerable they are and he knows what the cost of getting it wrong was.
You know, we're heading to 80th anniversary of VJ Day, right?
Beat the Japanese August 15th, 1945. We're going to be getting to an 80th anniversary where places like Saipan have been taken over by the Chinese 80 years later without even a fight.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's unbelievable.
It's really shocking.
Explain the importance of also that island chain.
People should know it's Saipan is where they, Saipan and Tinia, but Saipan really is where LeMay and these guys built the base that allowed the firebombing of Tokyo and Japan.
We have lost, even before the atomic bomb, they were thinking three or four million invasion and a million casualties, even given the industrial, the bombing we did there that was even worse than industrial Germany.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
So what happened with the Battle of Saipan, as you mentioned, that was what Japan considered its inner defense line.
As soon as they lost Saipan, they knew Tokyo was in range of the B-29s.
So that's why that was such a horrific battle with the thousands who threw themselves off the suicide cliffs, but also the bonsai charges like you hadn't seen before.
And the men that fought there, there have been some beautiful books written about it, but it's just horrific what happened.
And in the midst of all of that, I really want to reinforce this, the Marines took the time to make sure the locals were safe.
And there were Marines who spoke Japanese who would yell out to the people on the cliffs, don't jump, you're going to be okay.
I mean, there was a humanity to the brutality on the U.S. side, the necessary brutality that created a bond with the local people that has maintained for 80 years.
But now the Chinese money is flowing into such a degree and memories are starting to fade that we really need to look at it again and remind everybody why this is so important.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Specifically, when you're at Capitol Hill talking to these folks, or going to talk to Kristi Noem and to Homan, what is your specific ask?
What are you saying you think needs to be done to sort this thing out?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Chinese arriving in the United States need a visa.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Simple.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
It's not complicated.
Why is there one part of the United States where they don't?
I mean, it doesn't make any sense.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The other thing that they're now the pro-PRC... If they get to Saipan with no visa, can they catch a flight to Guam and they get a flight to Hawaii and there's still no visa all the way through?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Not legally.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Is it just for Saipan?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Saipan has been convicted of selling driver's licenses to Chinese.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I'm so shocked.
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Yeah.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
And they've been using the postal service because once you're there, it's domestic mail for distributing drugs.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The fentanyl and everything is one of the ways they can work.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
I think it's mostly meth, but yeah, from there.
And they're setting up the casinos, this new casino, which is supposed to be kind of online proxy voting potentially.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
So we don't know, because you're in the U.S. financial system once you're in the U.S. That island chain, given, you know, there's announcements today about, you know, all these fleets the Chinese are putting out there in the South China Sea.
Why is that island chain, given the precarious nature of Taiwan being 90 miles off the coast, we're going to have Grant in here in a moment to talk about it, but given that, why has that just reinforced the fact of how valuable strategically this island chain is for us?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
It's how the Japanese hit Pearl Harbor was they controlled those islands and the islands all the way across from 1914 to 1944. At the end of the war, the U.S. said, these men who had fought there said, we don't want that to happen again.
We want the buffer to go all the way off to the other coast, to where Guam is and where CNMI is, Saipan.
And so they made these arrangements.
First of all, CNMI became part of the U.S. Guam was since the Spanish-American War.
And those three islands, countries across the middle, have a compact or free association with the U.S., which allows the U.S. strategic denial and to basically do what it wants there as if it were the homeland.
So this is the way of pushing...
Asian problems to stay in Asia.
Otherwise, they come right across the middle.
We've seen it before.
There was one case, one of the admirals said that a Chinese officer had said to him, why don't you take Hawaii East, we'll take Hawaii West, and we'll save you the trouble of being in the Pacific.
The way they do that is by getting the islands through political warfare.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
The Sunday Guardian is a paper in India.
Why are the Indians so focused on your writing and particularly this area of the world?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
So the Indians are the only ones that have killed PLA soldiers in battle recently, in 2020, and they lost 20 of their men.
And when they lost 20 of their men, the people within India who had been worried about China since the 62 war, this is worth noting.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
People don't, because the Cuban Missile Crisis was taken back at the same time, and so as the Chinese will always use, if they're diverted, they're going to hit.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
That's exactly right.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
So in this war, the people forget the war in 62 was to get it on.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Yeah.
And the Indians know that.
Their strategic community is really good.
They used to live next to the independent country of Tibet.
Now they live next to China, right?
And they don't like it.
It's changed the strategic dynamics.
Geography is history.
The Chinese changed the geography through invasion and conquering.
And they know that Mao said, we're going to take the highlands and then go down through the Five Fingers, down through, yeah.
So they know it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Are you writing a book?
Are you working on a book?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
That's very kind.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
This is fascinating stuff.
Every time I have you on, the people want to know more.
Where'd they go to get your ranks?
What's the website and your social media, all that?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Oh, that's kind.
If you go to my Twitter feed, which is just my name, at Cleo Pascal, then I put...
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Spell that for our...
Particularly the podcast audience is audio.
The visual, see, we'll have it up there.
How do you spell the last name?
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
And it's a confusing one.
So it's Cleo, C-L-E-O, P-A-S-K-A-L. And that's it.
And yeah, I put links to my stuff up there.
I'm a little shy.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
You can't be shy in the war room.
No shy.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
Thank you for caring about this region.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Because I spent time over there as a young man.
We spent time in Guam, went by sight, all of it.
And I've read so much history of World War II across the family and all my uncles coming back that had been over there.
It's a fascinating place in the world.
And the people are so great.
It's so beautiful.
One thing that gets me is when you go to these places, mine was in the 70s, but you go to these places 30 years afterwards.
Now it's been 80 years.
You see these beautiful tropical jungles.
It's so peaceful and so beautiful.
You just realize this was hell on earth.
I mean, this was every...
The landings there were worse than Normandy.
As bad as Normandy was.
I mean, the war in the Pacific was savage.
Pure savagery.
Because it had a racial component to it.
With the old breed, the guy that wrote it was a professor at the University of Alabama and wrote it many years later.
And in his foreword, he said, there's nothing more savage than an 18-year-old American that's told to go kill.
And it was his experiences with the old breed, with the old marine unit that was so famous throughout the Pacific.
cleo paskal ▲ ● ▼
And then they remember their younger siblings when they see the locals, right?
I mean, that element of what happened during that war, I think, needs to also be remembered.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Oh, we have to.
Cleo, thank you so much.
We're going to get Grant in here.
Thank you so much.
Fantastic.
Okay, President Trump, Grant, if we can take the hot seat here.
We got the book up on the...
Can you text me over the book too?
I want to make sure I see the cover again.
I love this book.
I get multiple copies.
I give it all the time.
Grant, here you are right here.
Colonel, right here.
Thank you, sir.
We're live, so we just do this.
This is real producing.
Have a seat.
We have President Trump.
Just get up to this microphone a little bit.
President Trump has invited Xi to the inauguration.
Your thoughts?
You're a strategic thinker.
Is he playing five-dimension chess, or have we just thrown the board out?
unidentified
Well, he has turned the tables.
Normally it would be an American going to China playing the supplicant.
And now he's giving Xi Jinping the opportunity to come to America and pay homage to us.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
So you like it.
When Trump, in Notre Dame the other day, he looked like Charlemagne.
Right.
I mean, it was absolutely stunning.
Is this Trump's power move to say, hey, look, I'm here.
We're going to show you democracy in action.
I know you don't have this ceremony in Tiananmen Square, but we'll show it to you.
You think that's the move?
unidentified
I think it is.
It's something nobody would have guessed.
I wouldn't.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
I know he's thinking of a lot of good ideas.
Tell me about your book.
Because your book's very scary.
Why is your book more relevant today, on the 11th of December, a Wednesday here in 2024, than it was even when you wrote it?
unidentified
I think the Chinese attack has not let up.
And the subject, of course, is when China attacks.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
It's not if China attacks, it's when China attacks.
Your thesis, what do you mean when they attack?
unidentified
Well, they've already attacked us to the Chinese way of looking at war.
It's not like the way we look at it, where until the shooting starts, we can be friends, we just have to talk enough.
The Chinese look at war as...
Not always shooting.
In fact, the shooting part is the very last part.
So things like getting the elites of your target country to do your bidding, getting the financial sector to invest in, to send all their money this way, having the economic class, the CEO class ship factories over to China.
And then we provide them with the wherewithal, the money, to actually build up their economy.
And they send drugs our way and kill 70,000 of us at least a year.
So they haven't fired or shot, and yet they have gotten us dependent on them.
They have weakened our economy, destroyed these neighborhoods where you used to have so-called working class.
And they're killing us by the tens of thousands a year, and we're not doing anything.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Is this conscious when you talk about the...
The drugs, the fentanyl.
In their mind, is this the reverse opium war?
unidentified
Oh, that's just the excuse.
That's all it is.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Oh, because the whites did it to us, the British did it to us, and the Americans are the running dogs of the British.
They say, we can do it to you?
unidentified
That's basically it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
But their mindset is that this is the way the British East India Company and the British took us over.
This is the way that we can give a hammer blow to the Americans?
unidentified
I think that is at best a justification.
More, I think, they see that we're not going to do anything, and it works.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
What do you mean by that?
unidentified
Well, there's been no downside punishment to the Chinese for having killed us.
It's getting up close to a million people in the last decade, and that's just the dead.
There's been no punishment.
We still invest in China.
That flow of foreign exchange for usable currency into China hasn't really let up.
There has been just continued engagement with the Chinese.
There's been no serious sanctions put on them.
Tariffs, yes, but nothing that's really slowed them down.
And certainly there's been nothing that personally hurts the Chinese Communist leadership.
They're glad to let the mass of the Chinese people suffer.
But when it affects them personally, like seizing their overseas wealth, Their bank accounts, their real estate and letting every Chinese person know that their leaders have actually moved so much of their own wealth out of China.
We don't do any of those things and there's been no personal cost to the Chinese leadership for doing this and very little to China itself.
The Chinese military build-up continues.
Obviously we're not hurting them enough.
And this is what they've done for killing us on an industrial scale.
And this has been, unfortunately, it's been a Republican and a Democrat achievement to let the Chinese get away with this.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
If we don't step up now and really, through the force of will, start to change the direction of this, how long do you think it is till we get into a more traditional kinetic war with these guys?
unidentified
I think it could be any day.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Any day?
unidentified
Any day.
I think some people say, oh, 2027, 2035. Any day.
I'm afraid so.
The Chinese military is at such a state where if they chose their time, chose their spot, they could probably beat us.
And if it's just Taiwan you're going after, they may think that they have the capability to do it.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
What do you mean they could beat us?
You don't believe right now, if the balloon went up, that the 7th Fleet could defend Taiwan?
unidentified
I think they would try valiantly.
But if it was just a short fight, say, in the South China Sea, close to the Chinese mainland, the Chinese can outnumber us ship-wise by at least 10 to 1. And suppose you're a U.S. destroyer skipper in the South China Sea and you've got 20 anti-ship cruise missiles coming at you easily.
At supersonic speed, you've got 12 seconds to decide what to do.
That's how outmanned we are.
As I said, if they choose their spots, that they could give us a very bloody nose.
And this is what has come of letting them just build up with unchallenged and really a condescension to it.
This is this idea that, well, the Chinese will never be our equals.
But if it's a global fight, we have- - Can't fight the ship.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Are you, you're in Japan still?
You're only here for a few days?
unidentified
That's right, John.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
And Cleo, you're here for a few days.
I'm going to talk to these folks after the show and try to line up maybe tomorrow and get you both on here together and have maybe a deeper conversation.
Real quickly, is the United States, are the people in the country psychologically ready to have a carrier battle group of 10,000 sailors be sunk to the bottom of the sea?
unidentified
No.
You remember a few years ago when a four-man special forces team got run down in Niger?
It was a national catastrophe.
10,000 is something we're not ready for.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Do you think there is a possibility that in this shooting war that you say may happen, that a carrier battle group with those ships and 10,000 sailors could end up at the bottom of the sea?
Colonel, thank you so much.
What's the title of the book?
Where do they go for your social media?
unidentified
The title of the book is When China Attacks a Warning to America.
My Twitter is at NewshamGrant.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Colonel Grant.
It's Colonel Grant Newsham, U.S. Marine Corps?
United States Marine Corps?
Okay.
Thank you so much for being here, sir.
unidentified
Honored.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
We're going to try to set it up for you guys tomorrow.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
Eastern Standard Time, we're going to be back in the war room.
We're going to have updates.
Some big news going to break overnight, I think, regarding the transition.
A couple of other big names taking big roles in President Trump's second term.
Also, more updates on the confirmation process of Cash and the other folks.
Okay, so we'll update you on that.
10 a.m.
tomorrow morning.
unidentified
We'll see you then when you'll be back in the war room.
steve bannon ▲ ● ▼
Thank you.
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