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Episode 4121: Wray Surrenders to Trump
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chris hayes
Ray did not have to do this.
I want to be very clear here.
Trump hired him to serve a 10-year term.
That's the law.
This isn't just plucked out of thin air.
In fact, the law was passed in 1976 with overwhelming bipartisan support, and it was part of the post-Watergate government reforms.
It says clearly, the term of service to the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall be 10 years, and a director may not serve more than one 10-year term.
Now, the reason we have those term limits and the reason we try to insulate FBI directors from presidential appointments is, of course, J. Edgar Hoover, who ran the FBI and its precursor for almost half a century until his death in 1972. There's thousands of people in the FBI. I think folks at the Hoover building are probably, you know, worried about the fact that Kash Patel says he wants to...
Evacuate the building and turning into a museum of the deep state.
But as a whole, you have an FBI that is pretty conservative politically, I think it's fair to say.
Maybe one of the more conservative arms of the U.S. federal government.
And that email and who the deputy director, who is going to be the deputy director and what is that email he got?
unidentified
Yeah, so Paul Abade is the deputy, but he got this email very shortly after January 6th saying that, you know, Fox News is on and a lot of our various field offices saying that essentially a lot of people were supportive of what happened.
And there is this contingent, especially, it's a group that I've learned is pretty closely connected to Kash Patel of the so-called suspendables who have really been working pretty closely with Chris
joe scarborough
Wray had a chance to stay in there and fight like Jay Powell, who said, I'm not going anywhere.
And the thing about Donald Trump is we've seen in the past a lot of times he will push up to the line and hold and wait.
Shouldn't Ray have stayed in there for the sake of history?
So history would record that Donald Trump fired two FBI directors, unprecedented.
One of them, an FBI director that he actually appointed himself.
unidentified
I think he should have stayed 100%.
We're counting on him, too.
You know, everybody's got to kind of hit the barricades right now and do what's best for the country, not what's best for themselves or what's best for an agency.
And I thought this was a unique opportunity to have one of those guardrails.
We have so few that at least there would be a continuity there in FBI so things wouldn't go anywhere.
I'll hear him, scare him, right after the inauguration.
But alas, now, Trump's going to get the FBI, and if there is such a thing as a Department of Revenge and Retribution, that's where it's going to be emanating from, from Kash Patel and the people he brings in.
And I think it's unfortunate that Ray could have stayed in maybe three months, six months in, and then perhaps backed out.
mika brzezinski
I'm curious if what we just heard here is reflected in the thoughts on Capitol Hill.
You've got a number of different nominees, like Pete Hegseth, who he's unqualified.
These are just facts.
And he's behaved in ways that may disqualify him.
And there are just questions in terms of his basic ability to do a job.
Then there are nominees or ideas like Kash Patel and Tulsi Gabbard.
These are people who have outwardly engaged or spoken in ways that are dangerous to American democracy.
If I've said that right, are Republicans showing that they are aware of this distinction and that they are aware of the dangers at stake?
unidentified
Yeah, Mika, there's actually sort of two tracks of mine going on on Capitol Hill right now, according to the number of people I spoke to yesterday after the news of Ray's resignation.
One of them being the nominations track going on, but also the fact that This news comes on the tails of the Justice Department inspector general announcing that the Trump administration had previously used concerning and surreptitious tactics to monitor congressional staffers and to Democratic lawmakers and obtain their communications.
That there is very clearly a precedent here for Trump abusing some of the vast We know that there were 43 congressional staffers whose communications were monitored as a part of investigations into who was leaking potentially to reporters during the Justice Department and the FBI's
investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election.
And this is something that was top of mind for many of the staffers that I spoke with yesterday who flagged this inspector general's report.
But in terms of the nominations, these things all sort of feed into one another.
Kash Patel is someone, as is Tulsi Gabbard, who have kind of flown under the radar and sort of We've sailed through the process so far as a result of all of the scrutiny that's been on Pete Hegseth, whose nomination for now has been relatively stable.
We saw a number of non-committal statements about the candidates meeting with Republican senators throughout the week this week for one-on-one meetings.
But right now, Other than the usual suspects, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Mitch McConnell, there's not a lot of opposition to these people.
There are some sort of milquetoast concerns, especially about Tulsi Gabbard, but not about Patel for the reasons that we're talking about.
So, you know, I talked to a Trump administration, a Trump transition official last night who says that they're really not concerned with many of their nominees at the moment and feel like their approach, especially with Hegseth, of fighting his detractors has really been effective.
Elect Donald Trump.
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot of all these networks lying about the people.
chris hayes
The people have had a belly full of it.
steve bannon
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Thursday, 12 December, Year of Our Lord 2024, President Trump, man, oh man, he's dropping not just bombs, but he is a blunt force instrument and he's leaving blunt force trauma.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
Blunt force instrument leaving blunt force trauma.
Here's all their big talk.
We're going to resist this.
We're going to do this.
We're going to have this.
We got this.
So Mark Alliance, take your number two pencil and write this down.
You're getting crushed right now.
You're getting crushed, across the board.
If you're going to be a strategist and not just some hack lawyer that's in places like North Carolina trying to steal, or in California just trying to get your guys to print ballots all day long because of local laws.
But you really want to get it together.
Okay, get it together.
You've got to have your folks.
The first thing you've got to do is, it's the way you project.
You can't ever show fear.
If you show fear, We're just going to run the tables on you.
Like you would have done us if we'd shown fear.
President Trump never showed fear.
The war room posse never showed fear.
Peter Navarro, Boris Epstein, Dan Scavino, Kash Patel, others, people put in prison, Tom Barrack, the newly announced Ambassador Turkey, they gave him diesel therapy, shackled him and put him in a prison, I think, for 10 days.
And a nasty one, too, to try to break him, tried getting a role on Trump, didn't do it, went to trial, boom, testified, I think, for five days.
Acquitted.
That's fearlessness.
You people are like little children.
We can smell the fear, we see the confusion, and now it's just...
Double and triple down.
There's a great article, I think by Haberman and Swan today, about the Pete Hicks' situation.
And I've got a quote in there.
You know, the fixed bayonets.
No more Gateses.
No more Gateses.
They just told you right there in the shows.
The one thing we didn't show with Jackie Alamey.
Alamey?
Jackie Alamey?
She's a young reporter over the Washington Post.
Very aggressive.
Very good.
She's always bird-dogging stories.
A Trump hater and an anti-MAGA. But she's relentless.
Morning Mika.
And she's one of the rising stars.
She's one of the ones they're trying to promote as, you know, this person is a young rising star.
That's where she gets great slots on Morning Joe and in the evening shows.
You can kind of pick who the talent is by where they position them.
We didn't have time to do it.
Morning Mika literally cut her off when she said that, hey, it's some token resistance.
It's all phony.
They're all going to get confirmed.
They're all going to get confirmed.
Boom!
Let's go to commercial break.
I'm sure she got chewed out afterwards by the Morning Mika crowd.
You can't say that.
And then the professors right there, on Chris Hayes last night, the smart people last night in the Alex Wagner show and the Chris Hayes show, because the rest of us, and Stephanie Rule, they're all sitting there going, oh my God, why didn't he stay?
Why did he leave?
He capitulated.
Ray capitulated.
He capitulated to us.
He capitulated to President Trump.
He capitulated to what he's known he's done.
Now, it's just rumor, so I don't know this for a fact, but I'm hearing, you know, the buzz go out that maybe the IG report is sometime in the near future.
The IG report on January 6th.
Note to self.
Put this in your notebook.
Write this down.
unidentified
Hmm.
steve bannon
Interesting.
It's 12 December, the year of the Lord, 2024. About in mid-December.
Wow.
We're about a month after the election.
This thing's been done for a while.
unidentified
Hmm.
steve bannon
Why didn't it come out like a month before the election?
I'm asking for a friend.
Curious minds want to know.
Ray, they needed Ray to stay for a year.
They needed Ray to stay for a year.
Brennan needed him.
McCabe needed him.
The Biden, the Merrick Garland needed him.
They needed him.
They needed him to stand in the breach.
If he had stood in the breach, here's their theory of the case.
If he stood in the breach and he'd look at the converging forces of what we talk about all the time, the war, the debt, and the invasion.
Let's just keep it simple.
The war, the Third World War, the kinetic part.
Can we get Admiral Stavridis up on MSNBC?
Can we actually understand?
I don't get this, Admiral Stavridis and all you NATO, it's the most greatest alliance.
Why is a NATO member Turkey bombing everybody down there, bombing Kurds, bombing Christians?
The Ottoman Empire is on a roll.
They unleashed ISIS and they unleashed Al-Qaeda and they unleashed...
Because it's all Muslim Brotherhood.
It's all Muslim Brotherhood.
You got the Persians on one side, you got the Muslim Brotherhood.
Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood.
And I don't want to hear, oh, they got Persian back.
They got some, but it's Muslim Brotherhood.
And Hezbollah is a proxy army for the Persians.
It's got the Persians and the Turks.
Turks playing the Muslim Brotherhood game.
Persians playing their game.
So you got the war, you got the debt, and you have the invasion.
And all they're doing is, and here's their feeling, if they jam Trump up enough, they jam Trump up enough that the investigations in the deconstruction of the administrative state will have to be put on the back burner.
Because the three converging things are on, they're going to all converge in a point, and they're doing everything right now possible to make sure they chop block him.
So they need Ray to hang.
Right, bro, you've got to hang.
If they can't get to the FBI, you can't get to the investigative apparatus.
Maine Justice and even the U.S. attorneys, they're kind of nothing without the investigative power of the FBI. This is why we want to seize the institution.
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
To take it away from the lawfare crowd.
To take it away from the people who tried to destroy this country.
Ray understands that, hey guys, note this on Morning Joe and evening MSNBC and the New York Times and the Washington Post, all the media information war.
He capitulated.
He surrendered.
He walked out with a white flag, hands up.
White flag, hands up.
I give up.
Please treat me well.
unidentified
The cabinet position where a new president comes in, he picks his new team.
Christopher Wray has a 10-year appointment.
Obviously, there's been a ton of public pressure, but he's choosing to step down.
Is it fair to say Trump's pressure kind of forced him to do it?
This is an important point that the public needs to understand.
This is not normal.
A 10-year term is deliberate for an FBI director, for all FBI directors after J. Edgar Hoover, to prevent both a director taking too long in office, Hoover was there for 40 years, but also to ensure that this wasn't a political assignment where you'd leave with every new administration.
So 10 years was the designated term.
What Chris Rage decided to do today was to really do something that further politicizes the FBI.
He's attaching his decision to an incoming president who doesn't like him and has announced that he's going to fire him.
I would have preferred that Chris Ray decided to make Trump fire him, break another norm, and go down in history for someone who fired two FBI directors.
But that's not what's happening today.
I'm really worried about the rank and file men and women of the FBI today and moving forward, and then ultimately the future of the FBI as an agency that's going to remain neutral, not become an arm of the White House.
We've got a nominee in Kash Patel who's not only not qualified, but more importantly, has said repeatedly he intends to go after people for doing their job for prosecuting for investigating journalists for being in the media that's not who chris ray was and that's not who the fbi is agents who think he should have been more forceful in defending the bureau against trump but he chose to go the quiet route and and i respect that okay but i i've read through his transcript of his town hall employee meeting today
a couple of times and What he's saying is that he thought it was better for the institution.
I think the fear was that if he was going to get fired, Trump was going to have to gin up some kind of dirt, some kind of slaps on the FBI, as if we haven't heard enough of that from Trump, that would further drag the Bureau and the men and women of the Bureau through the mud.
And what Chris Wray is saying today is, we don't need that to happen.
I'll get out before he fires me.
And look, with regards to headquarters, which Cash Patel claims he was going to shut down on day one, people are starting to leave.
This week alone, Stephanie, two assistant directors decided to retire.
They were eligible for retirement, but they weren't mandatory.
They didn't hit the age of mandatory age yet.
I think more of that's coming with regard to the field.
The concern I'm hearing is that, look, we get there's going to be massive change at headquarters, but at the moment it affects our decisions in the field in terms of what we can open and close and who we can investigate or not.
Questions I've heard being asked is, are we going to be allowed to open a corruption case against a Republican mayor or a governor?
Are we going to be allowed to open a counterintelligence case against Russia?
Because it appears Trump is friendly.
With Putin.
All of these questions are concerns, and combine that concern with the fact that all U.S. Attorney...
steve bannon
I want to deal with...
I want to deal with...
unidentified
Yo, bro.
steve bannon
Preserve your documents and lower your up.
All of you guys, all you FBI spokesmen, former guys, everybody associated with the 51 letters that have been signed, the 51...
Your security clearance is going to be pulled immediately.
Preserve your documents and lawyer up.
So don't say when stuff gets pulled from you later, hey, I didn't know that.
You got warned in the war room over and over again.
Preserve your documents and lawyer up.
To the Kash Patel situation about his qualifications.
They've had judges.
They've had...
Come on, man.
65% of the FBI now, I think, on a budgetary basis is in...
Counterintel are intelligence, counterintelligence, and counterterrorism.
Those three areas.
Intelligence, counterintelligence, and counterterrorism.
Particularly post-9-11.
This is what Cash talked about.
He said the footprint's growing.
The budget's exploding.
Why do you think they need a headquarters building that Maryland and Virginia have been at each other's strokes fighting for because it's the size of the Pentagon?
Now, why is it the size of the Pentagon?
It's not because they're playing cops and robbers.
Only 35%, I think, of the budget or 40% of the budget is with traditional law enforcement.
That's kind of the afterthought.
Unless they're jackbooting in to get people praying the rosary at abortion centers, or unless they're jackbooting down the door to shackle parents who had been at school board meetings, that they took your license plate in there and watched the tape because you're sitting there, you don't want this pervert, bizarro porn forced down your kid's throat in the classroom by some loser with purple spiked hair.
Well, that's still a relatively small part.
That's what Cash talks about, the big footprint in the interview.
And they better start embracing it.
Cash is much more amenable and much more even-handed than the ultra-MAGA base.
We don't want to turn it into a...
Cash, note, hey, bro, we don't want to turn it into a museum of the deep state.
They don't deserve a museum.
We want to take that what's called brutalist architecture.
I think it's from the Mussolini's fascist 30s in Italy.
We want to take that horrible building apart, which is a nice whore.
And just like the Romans did at Carthage after, I believe it was the third Punic War, Scipio Africanus said, what do we do here?
Because remember, it was Cato the Elder Cato the Elder after everything.
Cato the Elder is in the Senate.
Whether he's talking about education, or he's talking about taxes, or he's talking about cleaning the streets, because everything came to the Roman Senate.
Remember, the people in Senate of Rome.
Was it SPQR? The people in Senate of Rome.
Everything they argued, he'd finish everything.
Cato the Elder.
Carthago Delenda Est.
Oh, and Carthage must be destroyed.
You know why he did that?
That's information warfare.
That's psychological warfare.
He put it into the people's mind, no matter what we're discussing, there's only one thing that really matters.
And that's we have to destroy that enemy.
Because until we destroy that enemy, we're not free.
It's kind of like, I don't know, my dispositive question at the top, is this the CCP, is the 21st century the CCP gonna win or the American Republic?
Because everything's got to come under that.
So no cash.
I want to do what Sipio Africanus and Cato the Elder want to do.
It's the American Gestapo.
It's been, and you see these guys on TV all the time.
They just tell you how they're going to be.
Weissman, all this crowd, McCabe, Comey.
It can't be reformed.
It's not about people.
It's not about putting in better people.
This is a systemic problem.
And they keep saying, and they're lying about cash.
He didn't say shut down the intelligence operation, the counterintelligence operation, or the counterterrorism.
He's saying get rid of it.
What that has to be done, because I'm a very strong advocate that we get rid of the FBI in total.
You take those three elements, which are 60%, 65% of the budget, approximately, and you're going to put those in other agencies.
You're not going to put them into the CIA because the CIA is not supposed to, not supposed to deal anything domestically, although Bobby Kennedy, RFK Jr., is on a tear.
He wants all those files in JFK because he's thinking, hey, I'm not buying that.
I think the CIA might have had something to do in the assassination of my uncle.
I'm just saying...
And remember in that book that was written about the Church Commission, when Church puts Gary Hart onto the CIA, they put Hart was a young hot runner on Church on that committee, the famous Church Committee.
They talk about where all these reforms came from.
Gary Hart's the young hot runner going to be president one day.
They put him on the CIA part of it, of the Church Committee.
Because they don't know what they're going to find because the CIA was so out of control, nobody was controlling it.
And they're feeding what they want to hear, which is they're killing, they're assassinating guys in sub-Saharan Africa.
And eventually get to, hey, they took a couple of whacks at Castro with, I don't know, a poison cigar and poison darts.
Who knows?
But Hart's sitting there with Angleton.
Angleton is the famous guy.
Angleton's the guy that ran the deal for like 20 or 30 years internally, the internal guy.
The guy that went on the mall, they knew they had Soviet malls.
They went on and he destroyed like 50 guys, committed suicide, to find the mall, never found them.
We found out later, you know, Hanson and those guys, who they were.
He's had dinner at one of these clubs in D.C. And Angleton is a guy who would take a drink.
Most of these guys are alcoholics, flat out.
Don't know if it's because of their conscience or not.
And Angleton's sitting there and he says, look, you know, I have to ask you this question before we go.
It's like the third dinner.
He says, did the CIA, and Hart can barely get it out because he's nervous, did the CIA have anything to do with the assassination of President Kennedy?
What he didn't get was a firm no.
Angleton paused.
Angleton looked at him over his drink.
And Angleston said, you were a theology student as an undergraduate, were you not?
He says, yeah.
He said, in my father's house, there are many mansions.
That was it.
Gary Hart went back to church and said, hey, I think that's a line of country we don't want to develop.
Let's just go silent on that.
The Great Church Commission didn't touch it.
And remember, there are a couple, three things that came up.
MKUltra, you talk about the Unabomber, you talk about the shooter, you talk about this guy that gunned this CEO down in cold blood in midtown Manhattan, point-blank range, lying in wait, shot him in the back, not exactly the American way, doesn't remind me of the Old West.
Right?
Kind of the way they got rid of Wild Bill Hickok.
Shot him right in the back.
Point-blank range.
Not legendary, right?
Don't do it that way.
That guy was inspired by the Unabomber.
And the Unabomber was tied up in MKUltra.
I think that's where the first game, his first tab of acid.
Took that brother in a different direction.
These, they're freaked out because Ray surrendered to Trump.
In this town, they're in panic right now.
They have no air cover.
Pam Bondi's going to justice.
And wait for it.
Cash Patel's going to the FBI. Short break.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Van.
steve bannon
So there's a rumor, the IG report's going to be out, I don't know, sometime today, tomorrow.
We're going to dive into that big league.
Carrie Lake, named as Voice of America.
A huge piece in the New York Times, kind of lead story in the New York Times.
Don't know for me to print edition.
I'm going to check here momentarily.
But it's all about you, this audience.
Fixed bayonets and basically retrieving Pete Hegseth's candidacy.
So you've got three things going on.
The world war, the debt, and the invasion, to keep it simple.
The war, the debt, and the invasion.
The lead story on zero hedge is how an explosion of spending is happening.
Remember, the fiscal year of the government starts on October.
So October, November, December, I think this will be the greatest deficit we've ever had outside the pandemic, extraordinary events, but for normal course of business.
I think we're on track to have, by the end of December, the greatest ever.
And nobody can figure it out.
We know revenue is kind of down or off.
But there's an explosion, and I've got it up on, I think I've got it up on, in fact, I know I got it up on Getter I put up last night.
And we're going to have some people here break it down for you.
So number one, the debt is exploding because they're trying to jam Trump up.
Two, the war.
You know, now you got Poland, you got all the guys in NATO saying, hey, I don't know, we're not putting in, I don't know if we're putting in security forces.
Who's guaranteeing that?
We're not going to do that.
We're polling.
They talk in the general, NATO's got to do it.
NATO's got to do it.
NATO ought to do something, but then when they talk about specific commitments, well, I don't know if we can do it.
Well, here's what, the United States is never, under Donald Trump, never going to put a troop anywhere near peacekeeping there in Israel or the Middle East.
Not going to happen.
Been there, done that.
20 years in Afghanistan, Iraq.
What?
15 years in Vietnam.
Or 13 years in Vietnam.
In Korea.
We're still in Korea.
Korea's imploding right now.
Korea's imploding.
They just declared martial law last week.
Not only lasted for a couple hours, but the defense minister committed, tried to commit suicide.
Now they said the guys were marching on the election thing to get to the election.
They take that election integrity even bigger than MAGA does.
They're all insurrectionists and they're running the government.
He tried to commit suicide.
The whole thing's been out of control.
You got Turkey and all...
Remember they were cheering over the weekend and MSNBC had everybody up there and CNN and all these shows.
I told you they're not Jeffersonian Democrats.
They're hanging people right now.
Doing all the revenge killings.
And Erdogan...
Erdogan wants to reverse everything Ataturk did 100 years ago.
It's the caliphate.
He's going to go back to the Ottoman Turks, the original glory, when they took over Constantinople.
You know, the Visigoths and the Goss, everybody took a run on Rome, but hey, they lasted for another thousand years over there.
The Byzantine Empire.
They were taken down finally.
Essentially by the Kurds.
They took him over.
The Ottoman Empire went all the way down to Saudi Arabia.
Mecca and Medina, the two holy sites.
He wants it before he checks out.
Note to self, he's a NATO ally doing bombing runs on folks up there.
So much for NATO allies.
And all day long, and all they're talking about, and all they're on President Trump, they call him President Trump's the advisor, they're all over Waltz, they're all over Marco Rubio.
Hex does not have anything to do with him because he's going through his turn in the barrel.
But non-stop, they want, you know, we got to portion this thing off.
It's like Germany after the war.
America's got to have, so we have to have nothing.
Send them a few more shells over to Israel.
They blew up Hezbollah.
That's what started this thing, the domino effect.
Hell, they did 100 bombing runs yesterday.
And they're sitting there going, oh, you got to have, you know, you're going to do this.
Hey, get all the millions, I think, I don't know, it was 10 million that went into Europe in the first Syrian crisis.
Took down Merkel's government.
It's starting to destroy Europe.
Send them all back.
War's over.
Assad's gone.
He's up in Moscow.
Drinking vodka with Putin and the KGB guys.
Good riddance.
He's a bad guy.
But I'll tell you, I sat in the National Security Council with the president.
I told him right there.
Hey, can I see some evidence of these chemical attacks?
You talk a lot about it.
Where are the facts?
Where's the evidence?
These people will lie to you, look you in the eye and lie to you.
They will look you in the eye and lie to you.
That's the deep state.
They got their own deal.
What they want to do, they want to get up cheek by jowl.
Tulsi Gabbard knows this is why they hate her.
They got up cheek by jowl with the Russians and they want to get tangled because they want to get...
Now why are they...
With everything else going in the world, why is they so focused...
On getting in war with the Russians.
You notice I didn't say war with the KGB. Putin and these guys are bad hombres.
They're gangsters.
I got that.
There's a lot of gangsters in the world.
The framers and founders of our nation understood that.
They said, whatever you do, we got our own deal here.
Here.
The New Jerusalem here.
Here.
Here.
Don't go...
Abroad looking for monsters to slay.
We had to do it.
When we did it, we had to do it.
Barbary pirates, we had to do that.
Hell, they'd taken all the shipping.
We couldn't send anything out.
Even that was a little on the margin.
That was a little questionable.
But hey, you had to do it.
Went and did it.
And we did it.
And then came home.
So the war, they're getting Trump.
I'm telling you, they are sucking us in to something that's a hundred times worse than Vietnam.
You think Vietnam was bad?
Man, that's the jungle down there.
When the French leave, it's terrible.
And the people have fought it.
The sacrifice of our troops, horrible.
Just horrible.
Horrible.
And not supported.
But that is nothing compared to what this thing is.
You take that Ark from Russia, through the bloodlands of Ukraine, you take it down to Romania and the Balkans, you get into Turkey and Greece, you come across Assyria, you cut all the way down to Tychus and Euphrates, to Iraq, Persia.
These are ancient, ancient, ancient vendettas.
People have been over there killing each other for thousands of years.
Thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
They're going to be killing each other a thousand years from now.
That's what President Trump says.
It's sand and death.
Don't do it on the debt.
We'll break it down later.
Put the zero-hit story of exploding.
They're trying to handcuff Trump right now, and they just passed the NDA. Oh, yeah, suck on this.
You got a trillion dollar defense budget.
Well, Trump comes in and says, no, I don't want to appropriate that.
I got the Doge guys.
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They're right here.
steve bannon
The Doge guys are here, and they got some other ideas.
Well, we can't.
We passed it.
We got a top-line number.
We passed it.
This is the games they're playing.
And everybody's sitting there to call me, no, Steve, you're overselling that.
It can still change.
I said, okay, fine.
Just show me where it's ever changed.
Ever.
Even a marginal change.
Show me.
Once that top line's locked in, it's locked in.
That's why they pass it.
And programmatically, they kind of got the programs.
We've got to do this.
We've got to do that.
You may carve it out on the side, but you're not going to get to it.
You're not going to get down to it.
And if you don't get down to that defense budget, there's no doja.
There's no cuts.
Where are you going to take it?
You can't take entitlements now.
You can't.
You can't.
Here's why.
It's not that maybe you should...
The math...
It's a contractual obligation to the working class and middle class.
You've got one thing you're hanging on.
That little $1,200 check and some Medicare and some health insurance or health...
Not great, but it's something.
That's a contract with you, and they can't break it.
They can renegotiate and re-vote it, but you've got to say so in that.
You're at the table.
They just can't do that.
That's what's discretionary spending.
So don't talk to me about $2 trillion unless you understand how they're jamming you up right now and jamming Trump up right now.
Because you think these folks up here, you think they give a damn, a tinker's damn what Trump thinks?
They do not.
They may go in the camera and, you know, I got to really look at these nominees and I got to, you know, got to advise him and consent with him.
Come on, man.
Behind closed doors?
No way.
Impossible.
And Vivek and when they walked up the other day, the only thing they understand is fear and power.
How do you think we got rid of Ray?
How do you think we save Hexas?
Don't ask me.
Look at the New York Times.
How do we do that?
This audience.
You fixed bayonets and said, hey, no more Gateses.
We should never let him go.
No more wobbly Republicans.
I don't want to hear any happy talk.
I don't want to hear any whinging.
Trump took a bullet in four weeks, took a bullet to the head, Chris Wray, not shrapnel.
Another reason you're gone.
Took a bullet to the head.
Four months later, won a landslide victory.
And you guys in the Senate wouldn't even have jobs or have chairmanships if it wasn't for Trump.
Who dragged everybody across the goal line, as he always does.
And then you got the border.
And nobody's talking about the border.
We got Oscar Blue and Burkwam down there in harm's way again.
Why is that?
They're all trying to get across.
Can you imagine this?
They're not even kicking in ICE and setting the platform and training people up and getting them in the uniforms again and telling ICE, give me a cheery eye eye, let's do some calisthenics.
Trump's coming in.
They're going to do shock and all, but we need some bodies and maybe coordinate with Texas and, hey, we've got to go.
You know, we're relieved.
They're going to do it differently.
We understand that.
But here you go.
We get everybody lined up.
No, they're not doing that.
They're doing the exact opposite.
And what media is trying to do, because remember, all they want to do in politics is follow the horse race.
Follow the horse race.
That's for the dumb and lazy.
He's up, he's bad.
No, but it's DeSantis and Youngkin and Nikki Haley.
It's all nonsense.
Doesn't mean anything.
It's for the dumb and lazy.
On the nominations, we've got to get them across, so we do spend some time on it.
But the time is really to say, audience, hey, today we're fixing bayonets and it's Pete Hegseth or it's Tulsi Gabbard or it's Bobby Kennedy because they all got to get approved.
We're not obsessing on it.
They just came out of Lisa Murkowski's office and we're live here outside of Lisa Murkowski for her pearls of wisdom.
We don't give a damn what Lisa Murkowski has to say.
It's a whole scam up there in Alaska.
People in Alaska ought to be ashamed of themselves for not taking care of this thing.
I ought to be ashamed of themselves in Alaska.
You got good folks up there.
You got this voting thing that you let them come in and you're never going to have good people up there.
You're never going to have fire breathers.
Well, you've allowed to do it.
Just saying.
So I love the people in Alaska, but don't give me the last frontier and we're, you know, walking around with no shirts, jumping in ice ponds.
Take care of business.
Get Lisa Murkowski out of there.
She's embarrassing you guys.
Or Collins.
Collins came to talk.
Maine, you ought to be real proud of that one.
That's a beauty.
Not physically.
I'm talking about the whole package.
She's a beaut.
But we're not waiting for her pearls of wisdom.
Because underneath that, you've got to get the personnel, boom, to do it.
And the transition team's doing good for second and third tier.
But it's also the convergence of the thing itself.
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Right?
steve bannon
They're not standing there in this period trying to have Trump's people in some logical, coordinated way relieve the watch.
Because at high noon, you give them a cheery aye-aye, I got the deck in the con, baby.
We got this.
They're not doing that.
They're trying to jam it up, and this is why Ray shocked them.
Shocked them.
They thought Ray would at least, he's heard the professor, he's at least going to stick out for a year.
They needed a year air cover.
And here's what's really shocked them.
Weissman, changing your huggies tonight.
Ask yourself a question.
Ask yourself this question.
What does Ray know that you guys don't?
Why did Ray capitulate?
Why did Ray, for all the media, that for all those years, was it Ken Dillian?
What do they call him?
Fusion Ken?
Brother, we're all over you.
You should know that.
Got some bad stuff, Ken.
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steve bannon
What does Ray know that you brothers and sisters don't?
Everything's been Why did Ray surrender and get the hell out of town?
Why didn't he stand in the breach?
Why didn't he stand up for you?
Why didn't he provide air cover for y'all?
Ask yourself that.
The one guy you needed, the one guy you needed ran.
Next in the war room.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
steve bannon
Okay, Thursday, 12 December, Year of the Lord, 2024. Man, where's this year gone?
Where has this month gone?
I don't think it's just because I'm getting older.
It's just zipping by.
Remember, I spent four months in a cell block.
It's still zipping by.
Fast.
Middle of December already.
You, this audience.
The response I got yesterday from folks in North Carolina here on Capitol Hill of what you accomplished and having the back of the folks down there in the legislature because we set things as much right as we possibly could.
And I know it was powerful because MSNBC all last night had Democrats down there whining.
So you've done good.
I mean, the power of people were like blown away by that.
Also in the NDAA. And I realized we didn't really get to the ramparts because that thing was happening.
We tried to warn people and just was outside.
You can only, you know, you can only focus on so many things and we had to get to.
And that's why I want everybody to read the New York Times article.
In fact, Grace, if we can somehow try to get an archive of it, I really want people to read all of it.
It's got Matt Boyle.
It's got Turning Point USA. It has the War Room Posse.
And I say in there, I'm quoted, I think, no more Gateses.
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That...
steve bannon
We live in one world, and that's the world of victory.
And we'll double down, we'll triple down, there's no retreat, there's no surrender, and you just move forward.
If you look at the opposing forces we have, they don't have that.
The Ray thing is a shock to the system.
It's finally now, they're starting to begin to deal with the fact that That not just Trump won, but we are seizing the institutions.
And somebody put on a toy the other day that there's this tension between destroying the institutions or taking over, reforming, and rebuilding.
Come on, man.
Stop that nonsense.
You have to seize the institutions to then see whether they can be reformed or whether they can be reconstituted.
Or should they just go away?
The FBI, I strongly believe, a couple of years from now, will go away.
The functions, most of the functions won't.
They'll be allocated to different areas, particularly the counterterrorism, the counterintelligence, and the intelligence part.
The law enforcement, I think, will go somewhere in DOJ with U.S. attorneys, that the U.S. attorneys will have an investigative force.
And maybe some sort of policing action on some limited basis, but never, ever, ever, ever again.
This is all a thing from Hoover.
And they're not very good.
They're just not very good.
Did I mention 9-11?
They're not very good.
Well, Steve, that was 20-some years ago.
No, no.
Come on, that's nothing in time.
Have they really changed?
Have they really gotten any better?
Look at all the intelligence fairies we have every week.
Have they really gotten any better?
They've gotten better at jackbooting, putting the jackboot On folks playing the rosary, people that have no power and they don't think are going to come back to power.
And I don't like using the term bully.
I think it's too schoolyard.
They were all fine about jackbooting your house down and putting you in change.
They shackled Navarre, a 70-year-old man, at Reagan National Airport in front of hundreds of people.
And he's a well-known guy.
He's on TV. They took him out like a dog and handcuffed him, shackled him, and took him down to that tarmac off the thing, off the plane, and humiliated him in front of everybody.
You know why?
Because they could.
They never thought.
Do you ever think in two billion years that if they thought Peter Navarro was ever going to be a senior counselor, In the White House?
In the Oval Office every day?
That he would do that?
That they would do that?
No.
Impossible.
Impossible.
They wouldn't do it.
They would not do it.
Is that clock right now?
Okay, fine.
In the middle of a roll.
Looking at something different.
No, of course not.
Of course not.
That shows you how evil they are.
The shock to the system, the important thing to take away today is that the deep state ain't that tough.
Oh, they're bad and they're cunning and they got the apparatus and they're going to...
Hey, we're so far from victory.
Don't, don't.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not resting.
We're not resting on the laurels.
We're not doing it.
No, we're so far from that.
But you can feel the fear coming through every day.
You feel the fear.
Look at this.
Wall Street Journal.
Murdoch's paper.
All you people who read the Wall Street Journal, I got so many friends, I got nephews, and they're reading the Wall Street Journal every day, and they're sending me stuff.
I said, you know, it's all lies, all crap, it's all wrong information.
These guys have been wrong in everything.
Everything.
Not some things, everything.
Where is the Wall Street Journal?
Where were they?
Running up to 2008. Show me all the articles in Wall Street Journal warn about the greatest financial collapse in the history of the country.
Where were they?
Where was it?
Now, if you didn't see it, because it wasn't written, it wasn't printed, they ain't maybe had a couple guys in articles saying, hey, I think we got a problem here.
I think we got a problem here.
What do they got?
How Tulsi Gabbard sees the world.
Right there.
This is yesterday's.
Right there.
Can't have Tulsi Gabbard.
She wants peace.
She's bad.
Right here, they got Bolton.
Who's kind of a creep.
They got Bolton.
Cash Patel doesn't belong to the FBI. Hey, Bolton, got news for you.
He's at the FBI, going to be at the FBI. They told you up on Morning Joe today.
There's no real opposition to him.
Trump's misguided attack on birthright citizenship.
They don't like that either because they like tons of illegal aliens here and they want more of them.
Oh, and down here, and this is the most logical one, but down here is how you can't...
Trump can't get out of forever wars.
You're sucked into forever wars.
And if you don't believe that, look at Syria.
That's the whole deal.
The war, because we're in the kinetic part of the Third World War now.
If you're not taking notes at home, a million people in the last two and a half years, three years, a million people, a million six according to a million Ukrainians, both combat troops and civilians, and six or seven hundred thousand Russians.
That was according to President Trump, the six or seven hundred thousand.
That's a million six.
I won't round up to two.
That's just when you're watching the show the last couple of years.
We've been warned about that.
The debt thing's out of control.
I'm telling you, everything he wants to do, that debt ceiling deal comes off, I think, on the 2nd of January, 3rd of January.
Boom, you're going to get back.
You're still going to have flat champagne in your glasses.
Was it Vue Cliqueau or some of that fancy Moet Chandon?
You're going to have a flat, warm champagne still in your glasses.
We're going to hit the debt ceiling.
And then we're going to get to Burquam and Oscar.
If they hadn't been snatched.
They might have been snatched.
They're down with some bad hombres.
And those bad hombres are getting people tickets.
They're coming right in here to good old United States of America.
Why?
They're being invited in.
Why wouldn't they come?
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