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Dec. 12, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4120: Wray Resigns In Fear Of Being Held Accountable; Trump Effect On Capitol Hill
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alex degrasse
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julie kelly
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steve bannon
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director Christopher Wray telling the agency workforce that he will resign his position before the Trump administration takes over in January.
These are his words, quote, this is the best way to avoid dragging the bureau deeper into the fray while reinforcing the values and principles that are so important to how we do our work.
This, of course, clears the way for Trump's pick, Kash Patel, to be the next director if he can get through the confirmation process.
He is a man who has signaled massive changes once he takes control.
The FBI's footprint has gotten so freaking big.
And the biggest problem the FBI has had has come out of its Intel shops.
I'd break that component out of it.
I'd shut down the FBI Hoover building on day one and reopening the next day as a museum of the deep state.
Because right now he is the person who Donald Trump says he wants to replace Chris Wray.
And a source familiar with the Trump transition team's thinking just said the following when asked for a response to Wray's resignation.
And this is the quote.
The transition team is confident in Kash Patel And confident he will be ready to serve the American people on day one.
If he should be confirmed, which seems to be against the odds, David, is there any doubt he will start taking some of those actions on day one?
Oh, I think there's no doubt.
I mean, he has said the 2020 election was stolen.
He has said the Trump-Russia investigation by Robert Mueller never should have been carried out.
He's talked about, you know, firing large groups of people.
I've talked to people who he cites in his book.
We're allegedly committing these deep state crimes and they don't even understand what he's talking about.
They seem more to be people who he disagrees with politically or people he's had bad interactions with earlier in his career.
So I don't want to be too harsh here.
It's up to the Senate.
But I just want to emphasize the level of concern among current and former FBI officials that Kash Patel is the wrong person to run the FBI is very, very high.
There are other appropriate directors that Trump could choose or more appropriate people, more qualified, who don't use these deep state conspiracy theories, who could, I think, you know, or they think serve the Trump administration well.
But Kash Patel is alarming a lot of people.
nicolle wallace
I believe that every time Christopher Wray says these words, your description of my own approach that I'm biased against certain conservatives seems insane.
It is insane to suggest that Christopher Wray, and I haven't been in the government for a long time, but when I was, the idea that the FBI had any semblance of a mission that leans left was equally insane.
And the idea that Christopher Wray couldn't have done good by saying over and over and over again how we approach our work of protecting the American people and upholding the Constitution starts with me having emphasized to all of our folks over and over again in everything we do that we need to do the right thing in the right way and that means following the facts wherever they lead no matter who likes it.
That isn't...
Hyperbole, that is simply using your position of power to defend the work done by people who risk their lives every day in a climate where on the right people are calling them the Gestapo.
unidentified
Absolutely right.
Ms. Higman's comments were absolutely absurd, and Christopher Wray had every right to push back the way he did and called them insane.
Doing the right thing is what principle is all about.
And I must say, I disagree with some of Carol Lenny's comments.
Leaders, particularly leaders of these institutions that keep our country safe and secure, really need to stand on principle.
Because if they don't stand on principle, their workforce won't stand on principle.
And you want to have a bureau that respects the rule of law, that does the right thing, irrespective of the political winds that might be blowing.
And being fired by Donald Trump is not an act of public humiliation.
It's a badge of honor, quite frankly.
And Christopher Wray, again, over these seven years, he has demonstrated that he is going to do what he believes is right and what the Bureau needs to do in order to keep us safe and secure.
Donald Trump now is following the authoritarian's playbook, which is to put his sycophants, individuals of tremendous loyalty and fealty to him, in the positions of influence in the intelligence, the law enforcement, judicial, and other branches of government.
He wants individuals who are malleable.
He wants a FBI director who's going to be his attack dog and go after his adversaries, his enemies, those rivals that he sees that pose a threat to him.
And that's why, again, I am so disappointed that Director Wray has decided to step down.
And I believe that a lot of individuals within the Bureau feel the same way, that at a time of great challenge and great worry about what the Bureau is going to have to do or be directed to do under a Trump administration, This is where I think Director Wray can stand on principle and demonstrate that he is going to set the example for the workforce that I'm going to do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may.
Because I've watched official Washington, including this White House, treat Trump as if he's already president.
nicolle wallace
Yes.
unidentified
He's off doing foreign trips.
He's having meetings.
And Joe Biden is just sitting there in the White House, or in Delaware, or whatever, putting out here that or the other thing.
Or when he does engage, as we saw with Syria, It's like, okay, so what does Donald Trump think?
And so this is the problem that we've now gotten to a point where we just embrace all of this as just normal Trump stuff.
We're back in this world again four years later and here we are.
nicolle wallace
It's the opposite of how President Obama governed between Election Day in 2016 and Donald Trump's first inauguration in 2017. This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
unidentified
The people had a belly full of it.
steve bannon
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
steve bannon
It's a Wednesday, 11 December, year of our Lord, 2024, the late afternoon, early evening show.
And man, what an explosive afternoon.
Incredible.
The American Gestapo.
Let's get it right over there.
We don't call it the Gestapo.
We call it the American Gestapo.
Stunningly, Chris Wright...
Chris Wray resigns.
This is so great about these people.
They're so tough and so puffed up and, you know, they're so going to do this and going to do that.
They're running for the hills.
Nobody thought Wray would resign.
They thought Trump would have to fire him after he got in and then it'd be a court.
It'd be a big fight.
Congress would get involved.
He quit.
He quit because he's a wimp, a pencil neck, a loser.
He's afraid of us.
That's why he quit.
And look at Brennan.
Look at the fear.
Now they get it that they're going to have no stop at all from the investigations that are surely going to happen on their criminality.
You're going to see revved up tonight, revved up tonight, big league is the blanket preemptive pardon movement over there.
Because they understand their crimes.
Don't take it from me.
Chuck Grassley.
Chuck Grassley's is decent.
You know, he's kind of...
You go to the dictionary next to Iowa.
Nice guy.
Grassley's picture's there.
He's putting blast out on...
We'll have this hack over at NBC. Ken Delaney.
We'll go through his material here in a second.
Saying, oh, Grassley's wrong.
This is all fabricated.
It's all wrong.
If it's wrong, why'd he quit?
Why'd he quit?
Why didn't you have to talk about this?
You love the institutions.
You're going to do all this.
You guys don't sacrifice anything.
The first time, a tiny bit of pressure from some crazy man here yelling into a microphone, right?
And you run for the hills.
You're nothing but a bunch of wimps.
Stand and fight.
Show us something.
You're such a big talker.
Show us something.
Come on, show us some resolve.
Show us.
You're nothing but a bunch of losers.
You're scrambling.
What Ray's looking for is get that jet, that private FBI jet, and, I don't know, fly to Canada.
Sorry, it's going to be the 51st state.
You can't hide out there.
Go to Greenland.
No, that's not going to work.
Trump's going to buy it.
You guys are pathetic.
Julie Kelly joins us.
Julie, you put out a very mean girl tweet earlier, but you know what?
It's 100% right.
unidentified
Bye, bitch.
steve bannon
Julie Kelly being mean girl this afternoon, I hate to say it, you kind of summed it up, didn't you?
I mean, what's he doing?
Where's all this tough, where are the tough FBI guys?
McCabe's on TV whimpering and whining.
We're having serious conversations with inside the family about actually leaving the country.
Leave the country, dude!
We'll track you down to the ends of the earth.
And then the firestorm about cash, or cash this, cash not suitable to FBI agents.
That's why people love him and want him.
Because he's not suitable to you guys.
He's a bunch of criminals.
Julie Kelly, your thoughts on this day would never have come.
Never have come.
It was not for Julie Kelly.
Julie Kelly, amazing work.
You went through this chapter and verse and just incredible, incredible work.
I want to thank you.
It wasn't just you, but you were a major part of this, of Chris Wray, and you're going to be a major part, I'm sure, in the Chris Wray investigation into his criminality, the vast criminal conspiracy against President Trump and the MAGA movement, ma'am.
julie kelly
Thank you.
That's extremely generous.
But I want to give a shout out to the reporters like my friend Molly Hemingway and others who were dogged in exposing Visagate, Russiagate.
And of course, Kash Patel was front and center as the lead staff member for Devin Nunes and the House Intelligence Committee.
But for their work, And reporters who were bucking the narrative about Russia collusion, we wouldn't have been able to peek into this deep corruption that is infected not just FBI headquarters.
We now know that it has infected all 56 FBI field offices because every office, Steve, has been involved in the investigation Raids, I mean military-style SWAT raids of American citizens and arresting them for their involvement in the events of January 6th.
I do think that that, and of course the unprecedented raid, Donald Trump's home in August of 2022, those things really tipped public trust in the FBI, which is now at an all-time low.
Despite what John Brennan or Nicole Wallace, and I see Mary McCord, that weasel who managed the initial FISA applications when she was with the Obama's National Security Division.
They are all as corrupt as the day is long.
And they know it.
And that's why they're terrified of cash.
They're criminals.
steve bannon
Lisa Monaco is a criminal.
Merrick Garland is a criminal.
Chris Ray is a criminal.
That's all going to come out in the fullness of time.
In the fullness of time.
I'm going to play the Ken Delaney thing in the next.
I've got to play that just for Julie Kelly.
Julie, are you stunned...
They don't have more fight.
These people don't have more fight.
They are such wimps.
Chris Ray, the guy that replaced J. Edgar, sitting in the seat, J. Edgar Hoover.
J. Edgar Hoover.
And what does he do?
He folds like a cheap suit and runs away like a little girl.
Where's the fight, bro?
I guess that's right.
Anybody that's Chris Christie's lawyer, I guess he's got the same toughness.
Toughness of Chris Christie.
Right?
You're a pathetic...
And this is such a great day.
You ran like a little girl.
And look at the face of John.
John Brennan, you see that?
John Brennan is like, he had Weissman earlier.
They're dying right now, are they not, Julie?
julie kelly
Yes, I saw Andrew Weissman actually do an interview last night on MSNBC. He sure is subdued all of a sudden.
You know, I call him the Valley Girl because he talks like Romy from Romy and Michelle.
I don't know why a man like from New York has a Valley Girl accent, but he does.
And he was certainly very much more subdued than he normally is.
steve bannon
I don't know if I call him a...
Hang on, don't be trashing men from New York.
I think Weissman's much closer to the valley girl than he is in men in New York.
Do not ever say.
julie kelly
Would never.
steve bannon
Men in New York.
Julie Kelly, she's from Chicago.
This is that Chicago chip on your guy's shoulders.
You're always taking shots at New York.
They can't wait.
The Windy City.
Zervin.
American Second City.
Julie Kelly, hang on.
We got Beattie.
We got Julie Kelly.
DeGrasse, they caught the Democrats taking money from foreign entities to fund their campaigns.
I think today, on this Wednesday, Mo, I might be getting tired of winning.
No, I'm not.
Okay.
John Bolton.
unidentified
This beauty, John Bolton.
steve bannon
What a clown that guy is.
The clown, Cash Patel doesn't belong at the FBI. Well, guess what, John Bolton?
You can't get a job, and we're going to make sure you don't get a job anywhere.
And Cash Patel is going to be director of the FBI, sir.
unidentified
Hey, call up that Bolton file.
steve bannon
Kidding.
Not kidding.
God, look at Brennan's face, man.
That gargoyle.
Look at him.
He's so nervous.
Weissman's so nervous.
Better be nervous, boys.
The American Gestapo's gonna get cleaned out.
But as they're going through the files, may see a couple, three things.
unidentified
As Donald Trump announced that he was going to select Kash Patel to be the next FBI director, without commenting on the fate of the current FBI director, the implication was that Chris Wray would either have to resign or he would be eventually fired by Donald Trump as president.
And so there was a debate among the people around Chris Wray about the best way to play this.
And as Chris Wray said in his statement, he ultimately came down on the side that resigning would be better for the Bureau and the workforce.
And I think one of the factors, my reporting suggests that one of the factors that went into this is, if you look at that Chuck Grassley letter, it makes a litany of baseless charges against Chris Wray and the FBI. It accuses them, for example, of ignoring bribery charges that could have been brought against Joe Biden and it's not.
Stop.
steve bannon
Stop.
Just put up and don't rewind it.
Put it right there.
This guy should be fired immediately.
He goes on for this long editorial.
Chris Ray's done nothing wrong.
Chris Ray's great.
Chris Ray's this.
Baseless charges.
The Kressley memo's baseless charges.
What is NBC News doing with this guy?
Put him on MSNBC in the opinion section.
We don't mind it.
Let him go on the crazy talk shows as a crazy talk show.
There he's supposed to be a reporter.
This guy's a hack.
Ken Delaney.
Is it Delaney or Delaney?
Delaney-ian?
This guy's a hack.
It's not baseless charges.
You know it's not baseless charges.
He just resigned.
And he's going to be over there worming around for a preemptive pardon, bro.
Blanket preemptive pardon.
Now, this is one of the reasons, I don't know.
Hey, I don't make any decision.
I'm just crazy Irishman yelling to a microphone.
But I think Andrew Weissman and some of these guys, quote-unquote journals, working on these news organizations, quote-unquote, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know where an investigation will go.
I don't know.
Julie Kelly, are they baseless?
Is Grassley's letter baseless?
Did cause and effect when Grassley put the letter out and he let it be known that he, Grassley, over there at Judiciary...
Wants to have an accounting by Chris Ray.
Chris Ray, I think in 48 hours, resigned.
That's called a scalp.
If you're over working for the staff at Grassley, like Mike Davis used to, that's a scalp.
Is it not, ma'am?
julie kelly
And you know, Ken Delenian, we call him Fusion Ken, because during Russiagate, he was taking his direct talking points from Fusion GPS, of course, the outlet's political dirty operation that was peddling the dossier around town.
steve bannon
Hold it, hold it, hold it.
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
What's his name?
His nickname is Fusion Ken?
julie kelly
Fusion Ken.
unidentified
For Fusion GPS. He was taking his talking points directly from Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS. I think you've got a problem, brother.
steve bannon
You took Fusion GPS, which is a lie.
Everybody knew that was a lie.
And you took talking points on that.
I think you've got a problem.
I think you've got a big problem.
Go home and tell the wife tonight, hey, I think we've got a lawyer up.
We've got a lawyer up.
We don't hear any more of your coming out.
There's a newsman saying it's baseless, not baseless.
Put that on an opinion show.
Go sit on Rachel Maddow's lap.
Say that.
We're tired of the media, these phony reporters at places like NBC, CBS, ABC. We're tired of it.
Of coming out and making editorial comment and making stuff up and lying.
Lying about Cash Patel.
I want to say something right here, folks.
My favorite topic.
What would my favorite topic be?
If you said the Murdochs, you'd be absolutely correct.
Today's Wall Street Journal.
nicolle wallace
Right?
steve bannon
The Wall Street Journal.
So I got the main editorial.
Look at the main editorial.
Big old thing right here.
It goes half a page.
Half a page, the main editorial.
This is what the Wall Street Journal thinks.
Not even signed.
It's unsigned because it's from the Wall Street Journal.
How Tulsi Gabbard sees the world.
Her dogmatic, hard-left view makes her a risky fit for assessing intel.
So they're down on Tulsi.
They don't like Tulsi.
Don't like her at all.
Don't like her.
So I flip to the opinion page, the op-ed page.
Boys and girls, let's turn here and see what we have here.
Oh gosh, we have John Bolton.
He has zero credibility.
Cash Patel doesn't belong at the FBI. So I got Tulsi.
She's hard left.
Her views don't count.
I got Cash.
He's unfit.
And they smear him right here.
He ought to get his lawyer on this thing.
Right?
Then...
Boys and girls.
Then I got some hack here.
I don't know who he is.
Trump's misguided attack on birthright citizenship right there.
And I top it off with, and this is the most reasonable, some guy from West Point saying, hey, Trump wants to get out of the wars, but it's not easy.
You've got to stay in the wars, the forever wars.
That's the Wall Street Journal today.
That's the Wall Street Journal today.
Four massive opinion pieces from the Murdochs, all anti-Trump and anti-Trump program.
And I mean trying to be kill shots.
This thing right here, John Bolton, they're quoting it all day on MSNBC. Cash Patel.
Well, guess what, John Bolton?
Cash Patel is going to be the director of the FBI. Yep.
Going to happen.
Hearing it all over.
He's going to be the director.
unidentified
Today, Ray, we took down Chris Ray.
steve bannon
This is a scalp for the war room.
Yeah, Brennan, it's the American Gestapo.
Let's get the name right.
And somebody said, oh, Cash has already said he's going to keep the thing.
Trump hadn't signed off on that.
Cash didn't tell anybody that, but Trump hadn't signed off on that.
He wants that headquarters empty.
Empty.
And you're not building the new Pentagon.
Not going to do it.
Not going to do it.
Empty that building.
Take the brutalist architecture.
It's the ugliest building in D.C., and that's saying something.
But it smears.
It's a black mark.
On that beautiful street with all the classical buildings down there.
And take it apart.
Let's give the FBI a Carthaginian piece like the Romans did.
Take it apart, brick by brick.
Or in this case, stucco slab by stucco slab.
And then salt the earth around it so nothing can ever grow there again.
Don't make it a thing of the deep state.
Just drive a stake in here.
Once upon a time.
An organization that started, an institution that started with the best intentions, atrophied to be a mine police in a dark force upon the liberties of the American people.
And the American people rose up and in their sovereign will overthrew them.
And this is a mark.
This ground marks the spot.
Where this evil took place and it was taken apart brick by brick.
We saw the earth and nothing will grow there for a thousand years.
How about that?
Suck on that.
You don't have Ray to protect you.
You thought Ray, they thought Ray was going to at least stick out for a year, Trump.
Take Trump's pounding.
But stick there.
Get the files.
Nobody can get to him.
Cash can't get to him because he's still FBI director.
And then after a while, Trump would be so beat up on the financial side, so beat up on the deportation, so beat up about them dragging him into wars from Syria to Ukraine.
He'd be so beat up.
He'd just, oh, man, I can't even focus on the FBI. That's what they wanted.
Hey, Brennan.
Hey, Weissman.
Didn't work out for you, did he?
We called it.
We said he's going to run.
You know why he's running?
Because he's a gutless coward.
That's why he's running.
Bad name.
Man, Brennan's burning up that phone line over there.
Reisman's burning the phone line.
Hey, I need a blanket.
I need a blanket preemptive pardon.
Julie Kelly, your thoughts, ma'am.
julie kelly
Just suggest that something might have precipitated this announcement today, and that is the expected release, could even come tomorrow, Steve, of the long-awaited and intentionally delayed DOJ Inspector General report on the FBI-DOJ involvement in the events of January 6th, which will confirm at least some of what we've been asking and a lot of what Chris Wray has been lying about.
And that is the use of FBI informants before and on January 6th.
Michael Horowitz Has completed that report.
It's been in draft form since September.
So it's been sitting on someone's desk for three months.
But I'm hearing that there's potentially it could be released tomorrow, Thursday.
And this will once again expose not just Chris Ray's use of the FBI to turn into what I call a domestic terror operation to go after Donald Trump, his associates, and of course his voters for January 6th investigation.
But also all of his misrepresentations to Congress.
Now I have kind of a montage on Twitter that I posted twice today.
Chris Wray's greatest hits lying about January 6th and the use of FBI informants.
You can look that up at Julie underscore Kelly, too.
That just scratches the surface of Christopher Wray first intentionally lying and misleading Congress, then becoming indignant At the suggestion that the FBI could have precipitated the events of January 6th.
So we'll see what Horowitz's report says, how much of it is redacted or unredacted.
But I have full trust in our friend Cash Patel that to the extent it's redacted or only tells part of the story of the FBI's involvement, I'm sure that is towards the top of his very long list of things to investigate and expose from Christopher I'm sure that is towards the top of his very long list Bye.
steve bannon
Julie, hang on one second.
Is Darren Beattie up and working?
Darren, I got about a minute here to just introduce your thoughts on this topic, and we're going to bring both of you guys back.
Your thoughts on a historic day.
Chris Ray took the bullet, sir.
unidentified
Well, it's great.
I only wish it had happened earlier, and even better, I wish he hadn't been appointed in the first place.
But he is very much a symbol and an operative figure in what we've come to call the weaponization of government, every single dimension of that.
He and Merrick Garland and Maybe one or two others belong in that particularly noxious category.
But it's a good thing that he's left, better than that he's there.
But it's kind of, I wish it had happened earlier.
And I deeply hope that he receives the accountability that he deserves and the country deserves.
steve bannon
Okay, Darren, Julie, just hang right there.
Huge day.
Historic day.
An FBI director, we're still three years left on his term, quit today.
Because of inquiring minds, I want to know exactly what he's been doing the last couple of years.
Those minds would include Darren Beattie at Revolver, Julie Kelly, the independent investigative reporter, War Room, and many, many, many others.
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unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
Okay, hang on.
steve bannon
I got Julie and Beattie.
We're going to get right back to on the FBI. But Alex O'Grath was in the neighborhood.
No, huge breaking news.
I got...
Okay, so number one, folks, we won in North Carolina.
Thanks to the audience.
You guys were magnificent.
The Speaker of the House, who's going to Congress, says, Bravo, Zula, great job.
We're trying to get him in the 6 o'clock hour.
But a big, massive win in North Carolina.
That was a big win.
You called this over...
God, it's got to be a couple of years ago when you're fighting on these North Carolina things.
If we hadn't gotten North Carolina, just saying, may have had Akeem Jeffries as a speaker, right?
alex degrasse
That's right.
steve bannon
I mean, that was a called shot a couple of years ago, right?
alex degrasse
That was a called shot a couple of years ago.
steve bannon
And we dug in hard.
alex degrasse
Came down to the posse really and MAGA as a whole across the board forcing the issue for fair maps.
These aren't Republican maps.
They're fair, legal maps.
And Steve and I were talking a couple weeks back because we were looking at the popular vote and how much of a wave this was.
But then you look at the fact that we lost the seat, right, which I said was worst case.
But you dialed it.
steve bannon
You said, hey, listen, in your defense, you said it was worst case.
But what went on in California, that's why I support what's going on in Carolina and everywhere.
They're just going to sit there and manufacture ballots and take you three and four weeks, and until they get up 500 votes, then they stop.
alex degrasse
Yeah, I mean, in California state law, ballots can keep appearing.
They don't need to be postmarked.
I mean, just that really needs to get out to the American people.
And it will take a grassroots, aggressive effort.
Maybe Elon can help whoever to get the funds to really force this.
Because people don't support that when you explain it as such, right?
unidentified
I mean, Democrats and conservatives, they think that's insane.
alex degrasse
And that's what they get away with in California.
And it's a disaster.
The next midterms, California, New York, New Jersey looks great.
I mean, President Trump won in 13 seats that we did not take.
And I think the number of people in Washington, D.C. that would have said President Trump would outrun House Republicans, two of them are in the room.
And there's probably three or four other people in all of Washington, D.C. that said, hey, Trump is going to be up ahead and Republicans will be running behind.
Yeah.
steve bannon
A couple things, because I know you've got to get back over to the hill.
Although you don't have an office there anymore.
alex degrasse
That's right.
steve bannon
When the boss goes to the UN, no.
alex degrasse
I'm out.
Drummed out.
steve bannon
No, that's because you're a troublemaker.
Okay.
And, you know, the audience has too much respect for you, and I have too much respect for you.
So please don't give me political talk.
alex degrasse
Sure.
steve bannon
The NDA, and I've got Birchett's blowing guys up.
MTG's blowing guys up.
I think we're going to have Birchett on.
The NDA, now it turns out it's got a billion dollars worth of foreign military.
I mean, it's all this stuff in there, right?
It's crazy.
The NDA is a top line, and I know you're going to make me feel better.
It says, well, it's not a hard number, but haven't we really handcuffed Vivek and Elon, as they come in to work with VOTE, and now you've got Paoletta with the impoundments.
They've taken McGinley out of White House Council and put him on here.
It's so important.
Doesn't this take defense off the table?
alex degrasse
So what I've been told – and the defense spending is always twofold because you kind of lay down what they want and kind of the hometown stuff, the district stuff, the priorities of each individual member of Congress.
And these people on the Hill, I mean they feel really strongly that they want their – pie, their priorities for whatever their local stuff is.
And then you have the military appropriations just like any of the other 12 appropriations.
So the meat comes through that.
steve bannon
No, but we can't – no, but they have never come under the – I keep saying they hit the number.
Because they use the number saying, hey, we already authorized $800 billion, and so we've got to hit.
And so the appropriation is just spreading, dealing the cards to the different players.
alex degrasse
That's right.
steve bannon
They never cut.
So that's my point.
We have $900 billion hard locked in here.
alex degrasse
Well, it's not hard locked because it can get changed.
And I asked four different people.
I said, hey, you know, Doge, this, that.
And they said, look, this is just what we're putting forward.
Hegs said he's going to audit.
All of them have said they're going to perform it.
I think that will take time.
They're going to come to the table.
steve bannon
It's going to take years.
alex degrasse
And the executive branch is going to have wide authority, I think, on the Department of Defense to make changes, I think, broadly.
I think they'll be able to.
steve bannon
Huge breaking news today.
alex degrasse
Yeah.
steve bannon
In an avalanche of news, I didn't want this to get lost because it's something you and I have been focused on for a long time.
alex degrasse
Quite some time.
steve bannon
Talk about – and you've told people this, but now it's out in the open.
alex degrasse
Well, people thought I was insane and they actually told me, hey, you've got to be careful saying this on the show.
steve bannon
You were on the show.
unidentified
Hey, even for War Room, it's crazy.
alex degrasse
So people have been talking about it, and most importantly, you hear this from the posse.
I mean, I'm at an event.
People come up to me.
It's foreign money.
I'm like, I think it is too, but we're working on trying to prove it.
Brian Stile, great guy.
Not many people have heard of him.
Solid, hardworking, in-the-weeds guy that runs House Admin, that sort of oversees elections from the perspective of the House, has been digging on this in his committee.
Under subpoena has gotten documents from ActBlue.
Just the news had it covered.
John Solomon's talked about it.
He did an interview as well on this.
And on September 9th, they put in place a mechanism to prevent foreign-bought gift cards.
I'll say that again.
Foreign-bought gift cards, other high-risk type of gift cards, and other ways to essentially launder foreign money.
That didn't go in place until September 9th.
So rewind.
The fundraising period, Q3, between...
I was on this show and said being like $3 million raised, $3 million raised, all these candidates in these Democrat seats, that September 9th quote unquote safeguard that they put in place, which they're admitting in legal terms that they were allowing this obviously.
Falls into place when they had the summer of money into the fall that we saw.
And you could be talking about illegitimate elections when you think about it.
And the fact that four countries that we're looking at, Venezuela, Iran, China, Russia.
steve bannon
Four random countries.
alex degrasse
Yeah, those are the ones that folks believe are involved here and giving money to Democrats in record numbers.
I mean...
No, I've been doing this for 10 years.
steve bannon
Hit rewind on that.
alex degrasse
Sure.
steve bannon
You've been doing this for a decade.
You've sensed something's wrong, and I love the fact that posse comes up to him in these things.
alex degrasse
Dude, you'll do this for money.
And James O'Keefe has been at the tip of this pierce, too.
I want to say that.
They've looked at this stuff.
steve bannon
Knocking on doors and saying, hey, you're down for $1,000.
$20,000.
$20,000.
alex degrasse
These median income neighborhoods where all these people on the street have...
Give it money to Democrats.
There's a lot of ways they do it under other names, under whatever, right?
And so it's really scary.
And I think first we found out that, hey, they don't require the security code, right, on the credit card form, you know, and all three.
So and you typically, my understanding, and it's bigger than just ActBlue because it's Stripe, it's the processors, all far-left companies, by the way, that Really control the money in digital currency, which is why the posse and other people have kind of been skeptical, I think, broadly of the internet and digital currency and just kind of all of that stuff.
And everything's tied in here because they know.
They know where the money is coming from.
They know the high-risk accounts.
Comer just said they think there's hundreds of unusual bank, whatever alerts or whatever that's called.
And so dig in because this is going to get absolutely wild.
And We have been saying it, and so have you been saying it, the posse.
steve bannon
Here's what's interesting.
Epoch Times, not the company, but the CFO there, is under federal indictment, right, for the thing with these kind of charge cards or something happened or these cards that happened out of Vietnam.
You notice the Justice Department's not on Act Blue.
No Democrats indicted.
No grand jury's indicted.
It's got to be Stiles.
It's got to be the admin.
It's got to come from somebody else's investigation.
This is why, Ray, this is why the investigations on the vast criminal conspiracy of what the Democrats have done is going to be vast.
It's going to take years.
It has to be totally transparent.
But go back to the countries.
What are the potential countries?
alex degrasse
Iran, Venezuela, Russia, China.
steve bannon
Does that strike you as odd?
alex degrasse
And they all have an interest politically in Democrats being elected to office.
steve bannon
Yes, and not having Trump back and not having MAGA guys in the congressional office.
alex degrasse
And definitely putting that safeguard into a Democrat house to try to prevent President Trump, which, folks, is what we are up against now.
This fight for the midterm has started.
We have six...
Months, I believe.
Six, eight months to really focus on getting a palm card and a packet of results.
We need RFK. We need the whole team of folks in there.
unidentified
Six months.
alex degrasse
I know there's so many good plans.
steve bannon
No, but they've got to hit.
You've got to put victories up.
Significant wins for the American people.
alex degrasse
I think we will.
steve bannon
By Labor Day of next year.
alex degrasse
100%.
steve bannon
And your palm card is the checklist.
You can show somebody.
alex degrasse
This is what we did.
This is what Matt has accomplished for you, the voter.
steve bannon
Otherwise, they're going to raise $2 billion.
And folks, wait for this.
If they win and they flip some of these seats, they win.
The first thing Hakeem Jeffries does is impeach Trump.
We're back to the beginning.
alex degrasse
Yeah, I think it's...
steve bannon
Before I let you go, North Carolina with its two-thirds, and particularly audit, they're down there screaming that, oh, you're putting elections under audits.
But Carolina, these things are having these problems where you have to do audits.
alex degrasse
Yeah, let me just say this, and this is breaking news.
In Elise's district, and no one knows this yet, Good Republican County, nice people.
I'm not here to attack them, but they made a mistake.
500 votes just switched.
And this is because my guys, I have solid guys going through.
And we always do a report every year, every election that I've been involved.
You know, we look at every number, every precinct.
We noticed a massive discrepancy where they mess up the Excel.
It's just an honest mistake, I'm assuming.
steve bannon
500, not for Elise.
alex degrasse
Yes, that's switched now to Elise.
And it's always in that direction.
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on.
That's right.
Listen, it's always in one direction.
It's always for the Democrats.
alex degrasse
But this is our staff doing the grunt work, looking into it.
Auditing is – every election should be audited carefully.
In fact, polling shows the American people support that.
When we dealt with the Arizona audit and when Elise was running for conference chair against Liz Cheney, that was sort of kind of the – and she came on here I think her first time and talked about the audit, gave support to the audit, caused a massive meltdown, CNN, the whole thing.
When we poll audits, it's like 75% of people support independently auditing elections.
It's something that we have to work towards.
You look at North Carolina.
This is crazy.
I mean, Elias in many ways is losing.
I mean, he's tried.
He's a tough game.
But the more people talk about election integrity, the more the grassroots is in the room, up front.
We train our people and we execute on it.
We win.
It's that simple.
It's fascinating.
steve bannon
So that's why it's so important to get around the table.
Last thing before I let you go.
alex degrasse
Sure.
steve bannon
The Trump effect on Capitol Hill inside.
Give us what the vibe is.
alex degrasse
I think people – I think it's a wake-up call when you look at his raw vote count.
I think that speaks for itself.
I think Bernie Moran, I don't know if you saw his quick segment.
I think he was maybe with Tulsi.
I mean that really encapsulates.
The Senate – They've been there longer, and so I think it's a different game because they're on the ballot every six years, right?
So it's a little bit different.
The House, you look at the House, most of them have come in in the Trump era, and so the House is very MAGA. When you look at it as a whole, so many people, you don't know their name.
They're kind of average guys from the South or whatever.
But I think that the unity there is pretty good.
Nothing is ever perfect, of course.
But people – I mean you look at these nominees.
You look at how people have come around.
You look at what the grassroots has done.
I mean I've got people telling me they're making phone calls through Mike Davis.
I mean I've got voters in upstate New York and they don't know.
I'm good friends with Mike Davis saying Article 3 project.
We're working the phone.
We're calling sent.
I mean everything is really happening.
What I love seeing about this group of people is we haven't stopped because we know the fight is really just beginning in the scheme of things.
And we got to where we got.
It's really time to dig in.
steve bannon
What impresses you that you've never seen before is normally after an election, like 16 million people just check out.
And they come back a year from now or something like that.
People are up on the ramparts right away.
unidentified
100%.
alex degrasse
I've never seen the engagement from grassroots at all levels, in the weeds, looking, especially onto the Senate, making sure everything is airtight.
And it's a positive thing.
I think we're going to have to continue and really focus on the local elections, which are key, the precinct strategy, and then lock in for the midterms.
steve bannon
You're back with a new Congress on the 3rd.
I hope I'm pushing to get a flood the zone on the 5th or 6th for confirmation.
Do you think that'll happen?
alex degrasse
Yeah, I think the key is to be positive.
I think they need reinforcement.
Hey, I'm a voter.
This is what I believe in.
It's actually historically been very rare for a cabinet secretary level for your own party to vote against.
So I want that to be clear to people.
That's not a normal thing to vote against your own party's nominee for any of the cabinet positions.
But I think that's huge.
steve bannon
Particularly when a guy walks in like Trump, like a beast.
Every battleground state.
alex degrasse
Every battleground state and a popular vote for Republicans.
We haven't seen that.
steve bannon
We've got to jump.
Social media, where do we go?
alex degrasse
At DeGrasse81 on X. Thanks, Steve.
Thank the posse.
steve bannon
You're the best always.
Thank you, Steve.
unidentified
Thanks for coming.
steve bannon
Alex DeGrasse, one of the young superstars.
Okay.
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End of the dollar empire.
There's a new installment coming out.
As soon as we can work with the virtual guys to edit it.
And go through all the math.
It's modern monetary theory.
The idea that broke the world.
Short commercial break.
We got Darren Beattie from Revolver.
Julie Kelly, the investigative reporter.
With us back, Chris Wray.
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Former appointed Senator Kelly Loeffler to lead the Small Business Administration and Trump Media.
We're just talking about it, DJT.
Well, now they're in talks to buy a crypto trading platform where Loeffler used to be the CEO.
And here's another one.
Two months after she bought more than a million shares of a company, PSQ Holdings, will Donald Trump Jr. join their board?
And when he did, the stock soared 270 percent.
Again, quite the hookup.
Bill Cohen is back with us.
Okay, let's start.
steve bannon
Stephanie Ruhle getting all worked up.
Public Square provides a great service to the patriots, gathering of patriots, the new GOP. It's a patriot economy.
Stop giving your money to people who hate you.
Tell us about it.
maureen bannon
So they have a bunch of different stores that promote their companies on publicsquare.com.
You can go there.
I highly encourage everyone, if you haven't done your Christmas shopping yet, you can find everything from women's clothing, men's clothing, you know, stuff for your pet.
steve bannon
And all the different companies support your values, right?
They're all great products, but you've got to ascertain it.
But these are people that kind of pass the smoke.
maureen bannon
They're conservative companies that believe and have the same values that we do.
And they are tired of companies that don't have those same values, you know.
Starbucks, all these other companies that promote things that we don't believe in.
And on Public SQ, these companies do have the same values as us.
And that's why it's such a great sight to find all these different companies and encourage you for, especially your Christmas shopping, since it's getting very close to Christmas.
steve bannon
And Don Jr. is now on the board over there.
Of course, they're lighting them up because of that.
Stock's gone up a lot.
But just go to the site and check it out.
Let's go to, we still got Julie Kelly.
Julie, your closing thoughts on Chris Raid.
It's a huge day for you.
They're all defending Chris Ray saying he's the greatest guy ever.
He never should have done it.
And they're trashing Cash Mattel because they fear him, ma'am.
julie kelly
Right.
So, I mean, we keep naming names as far as people who need to be investigated and held accountable to Christopher Ray towards the top of that list.
Because, Steve, under Chris Ray's seven-year reign, the public's trust in the FBI has completely crashed.
The latest Gallup poll in September indicated only 22% of Republicans view the FBI favorably.
I suspect that number is far lower, but maybe they're afraid to tell someone that they don't trust the FBI. And the number is only a little bit better among independents.
Of course, Democrats love the FBI because it's been used for the past several years to go after Donald Trump, his associates, and his voters.
So we need a full exploration, investigation into so many scandals with this FBI, starting with the raid at Mar-a-Lago and also the ongoing military-style armed raids against American citizens who participated in the events of January 6th.
steve bannon
Julie, before I let you go, tell us where people can go for this big piece that you're putting out.
Because you're naming names now.
You're naming judges.
You're saying exactly what the judges did.
You're doing these definitive pieces.
And tomorrow, I guess, or the next day, you're saying we may get Horowitz's mythical IG report that's been floating out there for, I think, years, right?
You're saying we may be 24 to 48 hours away from getting it.
Talk to us about your reporting and where people can go to get all your analysis.
julie kelly
So, MI Substack Declassified with Julie Kelly, also a big piece you're alluding to, talking about the judges denying motions to halt trials to stop people from going to jail.
Based on Trump's promise of pardons for J6ers, that's at Real Clear Investigations.
Of course, I'm on Twitter a lot, Julie underscore Kelly 2. And if we get the Horowitz report tomorrow or Friday, of course, I will be live covering that on X, posting snippets of that report and where we go from there.
Because the real tragedy of this intentional delay Of this report about the FBI's involvement in January 6th is it could have represented exculpatory evidence for these defendants in DC courtrooms.
The fact that the government has hidden the involvement of FBI assets on January 6th has denied the due process rights of January 6th defendants, a real travesty.
steve bannon
No, it's terrible, but we'll set things right on that.
I do want to have you back.
I'm making a public request now, Julie Kelly.
We've got to come back, and since you've introduced Fusion Ken to the American people, but Ken Delaney, I guess, I want to come back and do a mashup of his terrible reporting and make sure that we can make him as famous as everybody else.
NBC ought to fire this hack right away.
But Julie, I'm committing you now to come back at some time in the future, and we'll go through, we'll spend some time doing that.
julie kelly
Let's do it.
That'll be fun.
Love it.
steve bannon
Julie Kelly, thank you, ma'am.
Appreciate you.
Her hard work on the J6, I mean, this is...
Look, you could argue, because I had heard that Ray was going to leave Friday.
And I was kind of shocked when I first heard of him, because I said...
There's no way that he kind of admits that the pressure we're putting on him has got some background to it and that's why he's taken off.
He would at least gut it out for a year and take it and try to defend his position and particularly cover up for Weissman and Brennan and all these guys.
But to see you fold it is just, to me, kind of a shocker.
maureen bannon
Honestly, I'm not so shocked because I feel like he would be more embarrassed on day one to be fired, publicly fired.
And I think that he resigning is trying to save face, but it's not saving face at all.
He can't defend his actions.
His actions are indefensible.
So I think that to him, this is the lesser...
Of not two evils, but the lesser of the humiliation.
I resign now instead of being publicly humiliated because it would have been a public humiliation on day one for him being fired.
Like he so rightfully deserves to be.
steve bannon
Public humiliation, like they pulled Peter Navarro at Reagan National Airport.
Peter Navarro, then 70 years old, they pulled Peter Navarro, now Senior Counselor to the President of the United States, then Counselor to the President of the United States, an assistant to the President, one of the 12 highest things you got.
Pulled him off a plane, shackled him like a dog in front of everybody at National Airport to humiliate him.
Well, guess what, folks?
Well, good for the goose is better for the gander.
And I want to say something about, and President Trump said all these great FBI guys, and the president, they do love him.
But where are the whistleblowers?
Cash has got a bunch, but that's a handful.
35,000 people, and you were quiet.
You were silent.
Just like, I don't know, let me pull some around.
Oh, the Gestapo in the SS. Yep.
Oh, we were just following orders.
That is not, that's Herman Goering's line of defense.
It doesn't work.
Didn't work at Nuremberg.
It is not going to work here.
It's a disgrace, a disgrace, a disgrace what happened.
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steve bannon
Short commercial break.
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