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Dec. 11, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4119: New Surge Heading Towards The Southern Border; Inflation Rises As Year Ends
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chip roy
10:26
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steve bannon
22:42
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ben bergquam
01:11
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ej antoni
02:58
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maureen bannon
02:33
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mike lindell
01:36
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oscar blue ramirez
02:04
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jake tapper
00:08
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
unidentified
Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
I got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Mann.
steve bannon
It's Wednesday, 11 December, Year of the Lord 2024.
POSO's going to be up in a minute, I think.
A lot going on.
I want to also get up and talk later about the newfound populism of Focahontas.
She went to the treasure chest and dug up something from years ago, because now they've got to get populist, right?
She had it years ago, didn't go anywhere when she was running for president.
First, you know, months of the Biden administration, they put up this huge tax, you know, we're going to tax the wealth, we're going to tax the hedge funds.
It went nowhere.
It didn't even have a committee hearing.
Why?
unidentified
Why?
steve bannon
They're owned by the wealthy.
They're owned by the hedge fund.
They're all Democrats.
Even the guys who came over to Trump, some of them have converted to MAGA or on their road to Damascus looking for their Damascene moment.
But a lot of them are just wolves in sheep's clothing, right?
They're just here because we won, and they want to make sure they ain't taxed, and when they get in the deconstruction of the administrative state, the regulations that apply to them get off.
Come on, folks.
We're smart.
Just because we're populist doesn't mean we're stupid, right?
We understand exactly what you're doing, and hey, you've got to have...
Alliances and coalitions, sometimes people you don't agree with.
Sometimes you don't agree with anything except whatever the main thing is.
The enemy of my enemy.
A lot of that going on.
We're going to drill down and go back.
Always put in the framework right now of the three big lines of work.
And I take out the investigations, deconstruction ministries.
Let's set that aside.
But the three big lines of work in front of us is the kinetic part of the third world, war on the Eurasian landmass.
The second is the debt, the deficit, all of it.
And they're trying to shackle President Trump right now on activity that's going up on Capitol Hill.
And the third is the invasion of the southern border.
Now, the American people rendered a verdict on November 5th, and they said, and President Trump said it perfectly to Kristen Welker, it was immigration on the border and groceries.
Well, today I got bad news for you folks.
Groceries back on fire.
And I'm going to go back to Oscar Blue Ramirez and Ben Burquam in northern Mexico.
And these criminals in charge of the American government, the Biden regime, is full bore on using this app where anywhere in the world they can just apply.
And then they fly them up here.
And now they're on the border and another part of the invasion is coming like we don't have enough with 10 to 15 men that came on their watch.
And they're sitting there bitching and moaning.
It's going to cost you $300 billion a year to do this.
What are you going to do?
Man, that's money.
They don't complain about money in any time except if it's getting rid of folks out of the country who shouldn't be here.
Here should be here.
United States citizens.
And maybe a couple, I don't know, a couple of green cards.
I'm not super thrilled about that program, but you've got to do that.
You do that for somebody.
And tourists.
And students that are here studying.
Where I disagree with our beloved president, he wants to give them, I don't know, a green card.
We want to attach an exit visa.
Send them home and let them make their countries great again.
This is the way we stop this mess.
In places like, randomly, Central America, Sub-Saharan Africa, Asia.
Let's train them up here.
Learn them up here.
Get the best, the fruit of the Judeo-Christian West and the great universities.
As soon as we make sure we cut the money off all these radicals on the faculty, train them up, learn them up, send them back home.
Let them work there to make their countries great again.
Once the nations of the earth, nations start being great, we collectively are going to be great together.
That's what nationalism is.
Ben Burquam, Oscar, let me go to you.
Brother, you've been on this.
You had the cartels chasing.
You put your life on the line to report this story.
Did you ever believe in your life that Trump would win a resounding victory on this very topic, on the topic of the invasion of this country?
As we said when we did the Build the Wall, every town a border town, every state a border state.
You got Eric Adams indicted because he stood up to him about Sanctuary City.
You've got all this going on.
Blacks and Hispanics are flocking us.
We're winning the Rio Grande Valley.
And here's what we're winning it on.
We're winning it on the fact that we're going to send these folks home and seal the border and put in some protections for folks called American citizens, regardless if you're Hispanic or African American or you have very little money.
You're an American citizen.
And you're down there and you're telling me that this app is still up and now they're loading people up.
And see, they're so sneaky and so criminal.
That they're still flooding these people in here and they don't care they're going to destroy these people's lives because these people's lives are going to be destroyed.
They're not staying.
They're going home.
Oscar Blue Ramirez.
oscar blue ramirez
Yes, sir.
Two things happened to me right now as we were talking about cartels.
As I was doing interviews right here in front of me, a coyote came in to try to talk to me and he said, you know what, there's a large group that is coming.
And I said, which organization you're here from?
And he said, oh, I'm an owner of a hotel, which I believe that he's not.
He said, I already orchestrated and fixed six people so I can fix And I can pick up right here and take them to the hotel.
That was one of them that I was like, oh my God, you know, the orchestrated black market that happens right here, and it's all controlling this port of entry.
And the other thing was that there's a line right here that you can barely see, Steve.
But I was trying to cross this line to do an interview, and a National Guard official from Mexico came to me and he said, You cannot cross that line.
I said, I'm a Mexican citizen.
He said, I don't care.
You cannot cross that line and be recording the migrants.
So this is how sneaky the government is still, you know, under these globalists, under these elitists, under the United Nations, under these NGOs that they had before everything controlled.
Now that President Trump is going to come in, you know, God bless his heart.
Hopefully he will eradicate all of this and try to take control and bring the sovereignty again to the Mexican people as it is.
steve bannon
I want to make sure people understand this, Oscar, from your perspective.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
This is highly organized.
This is just not a self-organizing random occurrence, sir.
oscar blue ramirez
No, this is well orchestrated, Steve.
It is part of the Global Compact on Migration, their proxies, the NGOs, and also the cartels.
You know, American people need to understand.
The cartels are not people that they're wearing a revolver and a hat.
They're really, you know, extremely talented.
They're high technology.
They have, they increase, you know, their income with the Biden administration.
They have grown two times stronger in economy and territory and in technology and artillery.
So now they have more of the power to control the borders.
This is one of the challenges, a big challenge that the Trump administration is going to have.
That is the reason why the threat of a terrorist that I was commenting to you, Steve, consistently, it is extremely important so you can hit the government in their pockets and it can be a trickle and a domino effect so they can decrease the massive flow of fentanyl, decrease the massive flow of trafficking of humans and trafficking of children, and fine the 300,000 children with these NGOs that they need to be prosecuted and basically audit every single one of them.
steve bannon
Ben, give me your perspective and also where you guys can go.
This reporting from Mexico City the other day, the camps and now this, has been unbelievable.
And I'm telling you, it's going to be Exhibit 1 in the trial of these people.
The government officials that did this.
The NGO, I'm telling the NGO leaderships, don't think Catholic Charities and the Lutheran has got that Jewish group down there.
You people that are using this false front of religion, it's disgusting.
And Catholic Charities being a Catholic is the worst.
Okay?
You guys are all this is what you're doing is criminal.
What you're doing is criminal.
You've been warned enough.
And there ain't a blanket pardon, a blanket preemptive pardon on the face of this earth that's going to protect you.
Let me be brutally frank about that.
You are you've initiated and exacerbated now an invasion of the country.
And it was bad enough when he stole the 2020 election.
The American people rendered their verdict on this very topic.
This wasn't marginal.
This was central.
Don't believe me?
Yes, look at President Trump or Kristen Welker.
He said, this is the issue, because you're talking about day one, what are you going to do?
Well, day one, I'm starting mass deportations, what President Trump said.
You know why?
Because he said, that's what I want on.
That's what I want on.
That and groceries.
E.J.'s going to be here in a minute.
Ben, your perspective of what you're saying.
I tell you what, you guys, and this is Burquam and Oscar and how great they are.
They teed me up.
They were going to go down there.
So they're saying, I go, guys, I don't know.
You know, Biden and these guys, they've been beaten.
They've got to be cleaning up the mess, hiding their stuff.
There's not going to be much down there.
Good Lord in heaven.
What you guys have found has shocked me.
And I know it's even shocked you.
And this is the arrogance, because here's why, folks.
They don't think we're going to do anything about it.
ben bergquam
That's it.
steve bannon
They're calling our bluff right now.
They're calling Trump's bluff right now.
They're calling Tom Homan and Steve Miller.
They said, hey, you talk a lot, Homan on Fox.
Miller, you got a mouth, you run out of time.
Bannon, you're yelling and screaming at that microphone like a madman.
Donald Trump goes up there.
Hey, we're going to call your bluff.
We're just little NGOs getting money in the second collection from the Lutherans and the Catholics and the Jews.
Hey, we don't believe you.
We don't think you're tough enough to do it.
That's what they're working all night up in the White House.
They're saying, let's call, let's get another couple of million in here.
Hey, Bannon, suck on that.
You're such a tough guy.
Steve Miller, you talk tough.
Homan, you talk tough.
Ben Burkwam, you've been running around there for years causing trouble, exposing this.
You're nothing.
You're a couple of messenger boys for the far right.
Ben Burkwam, your thoughts?
ben bergquam
First off, we've talked about it for the last four years.
This is the three-legged stool, this operation that you see right now, the three-legged stool between the NGOs, the United Nations, the politicians in America, and the criminal organizations.
It is so well-orchestrated now, Steve.
It's hard to believe.
It's really, if we weren't here at the moment that we got here this morning, we wouldn't have seen it.
And that's how...
To me, what it shows is the efficiency of the operation, how much money is going into this thing.
The other side of that is you're exactly right, Steve.
This is setting up, this is strategic, so that when we take over, they're going to make it very, very difficult.
Every single one of the people that's being taken across that bridge today and has been taken across through CBP-1 has a two-year parole.
And so they're saying, well, these people are untouchable.
On top of that, now they're trying to give them blanket pardons.
This is setting up for the Antifa, BLM, and now 15 million illegals burning down our country across America, and the American people need to be ready for it.
We better strap on, get ready, because that's what they want.
They want this fight, and you're absolutely right.
They don't think the American people, they don't think the MAGA base is willing to have that fight.
And I got news for them, that fight is coming.
steve bannon
Okay, you guys hang on down there.
We're going to go talk about inflation here for a moment.
But I hope the audience is repulsed by this as I am.
Folks, look, we won.
It was great.
We're bringing people together.
We're celebrating.
Hey, you've got to get down in it, man.
These people are arrogant.
And here's why they're arrogant.
Because the Republican establishment for so long has played patty cake with these folks.
This is the differentiating of Trump.
Trump's actually going to do something.
But I got to tell Miller and Homan, all the good folks over there working in transition right now, Mo, on this, and they're working like crazy.
You know, they're going to give us shock and awe.
They don't think it's going to happen.
They think the Republican establishment is going to stop us.
Just telling you, give me some inside baseball here.
Don't want this come as a shock.
They think they're going to blunt it.
They don't think anybody's going to be deported.
They don't think maybe a couple of criminals, right?
But they don't think anything else is going to come.
We'll go to EJ after the break.
Mo, your thoughts?
maureen bannon
Well, I think they have another thing coming.
steve bannon
Oh, you're going to talk big smack, too.
maureen bannon
Well, no, I think the fact that we're sending money to Ukraine and giving money to NGOs and all these organizations to fund the crossing of illegal immigrants at our southern border.
And we have homeless veterans.
To bring it back to Army, Navy, we have homeless veterans.
That we can't even get put into housing or treatment for PTSD and we're sending money to everyone that is not a U.S. citizen.
And I think that the left and even the Republican establishment think that they're going to stop us from getting money back to the American citizens and back to people that actually deserve it.
They have another thing coming.
President Trump cares about this country and he cares about our veterans and that's what we're going to fix and support the American people.
steve bannon
Okay, ma'am.
Hang on for a second.
That's good.
Hang over a second.
We're going to go to EJ and Tony DeMo.
We've got some breaking news on inflation.
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E.J. and Tony on the other side.
unidentified
Here's basically what we expected, and that should probably keep the Fed on track.
A three-tenths rise in the headline pushes the year-over-year headline number to 2.7%, and a three-tenths rise in the core pushes year-over-year to 3.3%, no change from the prior month.
So basically what we're looking at is...
Status quo with inflation.
The only issue is, is that status quo enough for the Fed to go ahead with a rate cut?
It doesn't seem like there's anything in here that immediately suggests that the Fed would have any problem with that.
We'll have to check the three digits and see if it's a strong three-tenths or a weak three-tenths.
But I'm sure we're probably getting less market reaction than maybe, Lisa, you anticipated.
steve bannon
Okay, E.J. and Tony joins us.
E.J., inflation's back or never went away.
Biden, are they doing anything going out the door to make President Trump's time even harder?
ej antoni
Well, Steve, I think it's what they've been doing with not only the spending, but all the manipulations that we've seen to try to artificially reduce inflation, to try to artificially inflate the jobs numbers.
All of these things are coming home to roost.
You know, the Fed cutting interest rates in the autumn.
I mean, that was effectively election interference.
Let's just call it what it is.
And it is setting us up for a resurgence of inflation beyond what we've already seen.
In other words, they're handing President Trump a ticking time bomb at this point.
steve bannon
So what do you mean by that?
Be specific.
What does this thing show and why is it a ticket?
I agree with you, but I want the audience to understand.
Three lines of work.
The kinetic third world war starting Eurasian landmass.
Biden's going to have his way to suck us in more that we cannot extract ourselves and let President Trump get to the negotiating table for peace and the peace and prosperity strategy he has for a second term.
The prosperity part, when I talk about the debt, the deficit, the spending, all of it, doge, deconstruction of the administrative state, getting control of it, inflation.
Why are you saying they're setting traps that this is going to chop block President Trump out of the gate, sir?
ej antoni
Well, Steve, what they've essentially done with government spending to artificially inflate a lot of these economic indicators, all of that has to be paid for eventually.
It's very similar to a family who racks up a ton of credit card debt to try to sustain a very high standard of living that they can't afford.
And in the coming months after that, they start getting their credit card bills and they can't afford to pay them.
And so they have not only these massive costs of repayment, but on top of that, they have massive finance charges.
We're looking at, over the next year, interest on the debt probably hitting $1.4 trillion.
That's just the interest.
I'm not talking about paying down the debt.
That's going to be a huge drag on federal finances and on the economy more broadly.
Also, we have severe errors in different kinds of statistics like the jobs numbers.
And as we start to correct for those, we'll realize that, you know, things that we've already talked about on this show, that the jobs numbers have been nowhere near as rosy as we've initially been led to believe.
Come January's report, we'll see a downward revision of over 800,000 jobs.
And that's just from one single report.
Now, getting back to the inflation numbers, though, Unfortunately, the Fed taking their foot off the brake and really getting back on the gas, while that was an attempt to temporarily goose the economy, again, before the election, the problem is that down the road,
six to 12 months out, you're going to cause more inflation within the economy as that money that they threw in in September, October, November starts to really slosh around and push prices up In the months to come.
So everything that they did right before the election again is going to come home to roost in 2025. So we're looking at a lot of inflationary pressure within this economy.
Now hopefully the incoming president is going to be able to counter a lot of that with his domestic energy policies because that will increase production and that will bring down prices not just for energy but prices throughout the economy.
So that's very, very good and hopefully will counter a lot of this damage that the Fed has done.
But again, so much of what we're seeing and what we're going to see, I think, in the coming months is basically the Trump administration having to pay for all of the reckless spending and other mismanagement of the Biden administration for the last four years.
steve bannon
Remember, the debt ceiling deal expires, I think, the 2nd or 3rd of January.
Folks, we're heading into a firestorm.
EJ, where do they go on your social media?
You're lit.
We don't know how long we're going to have EJ with us, so we have to take advantage of EJ and Tony while we have him.
We don't have Scott Besson anymore.
We don't have Peter Navarro anymore.
We've got all of our heavy hitters are leaving us.
We've got Jason Trenert and EJ, and who knows how long we have those guys.
EJ, where do they go?
ej antoni
Best place to find me is on X. The handle there is at Real EJAntoni.
steve bannon
You're fantastic, and what you did about the phony labor numbers is just extraordinary.
People understand that's one of the big reasons President Trump won.
Thank you, EJAntoni.
Look forward to having you on.
Go to that social media, Mo, if it's great so we can push that out.
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Aaron Czar, now more than ever, McCabe...
So Paul Sperry of the New York Post put back up this thing about McCabe and the FBI eavesdropping on cash, listening to his phone, all of it, looking at his text messages, all this stuff.
Why couldn't...
And that was a couple of years ago, but this is one of the criminal activities of McCabe and combing that crowd.
Your company specializes in saying, hey, today, government actors, non-government actors, the Chinese Communist Party, folks in Eastern Europe, guys in Ukraine or Russia, Central Asia, the cartel guys in Mexico, anybody can be listening, reading, etc.
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unidentified
We got a great solution.
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Hackers exploit this.
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And with AI able to process that, we're all really targets.
We have constant spying.
Seven in ten mobile frauds originate on smartphones.
And one in 36 phones have malicious apps and malware downloaded on them.
So that is the listeners.
That is the war room posse.
Many of our phones have it.
So that gives access to camera, contacts, messages.
Monitoring all activity from phone calls and messages on your phone.
And not even to mention the thousands of financial and stolen identities that happen daily.
I mean, for one example, and this is a few years old as well, but in 2020, the FBI received more than 22,000 Internet crime complaints a day, and they're not able to do anything about it.
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steve bannon
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unidentified
Thanks for having me.
steve bannon
Good on you, sir.
Thank you.
We're going to change things up a tad.
I had Darren Beatty who was going to come on.
We're going to talk about Ukraine, Jack Posovic.
But we've got more pressing business ahead of us.
There's a lot going on in capital.
Okay.
So you have the Biden regime in northern Mexico or throughout the world trying to get as many illegal alien invaders here as possible, as quickly as possible.
You've got the blinking of this entire crowd trying to get us sucked into Syria.
They want kinetic activity.
They want American troops.
Yes, they do.
They're doing strikes all over the place.
ISIS this, Al-Qaeda this.
I'm asking, hey, how many guys you hitting used to be on our payroll asking for a friend?
But there's a lot of stuff.
The resistance, it ain't Jayapol and the Democrats.
The resistance coming up here is the Republicans.
I kid you not, folks.
Chip Roy is going to be on here.
We're going to talk NDA, CR, reconciliation.
The games that people play are all going to come expose on this.
Mo, are you going to pitch me some coffee here?
maureen bannon
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But patriotmobile.com slash Bannon.
Sure.
steve bannon
Short commercial break.
Back with Chip Roy.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
steve bannon
Okay, Congressman Chip Roy joins us.
Congressman, we got all kind of games being played on Capitol Hill.
I don't understand them.
We got a NDAA that's going to lock us in at a top-line number of almost $900 billion, really trading if you round up.
You've got the CR. I'm hearing all kinds of things about the CR. It's supposed to be kicked in the next year.
We don't like short-term CRs, but this has let President Trump and Russ Vogt get their hands around the budget.
And last but not least, you've got this reconciliation, which is so complicated, but now I understand President Trump wants to focus on the border and getting the stuff on the border, and now I understand that...
Jason Smith or wherever the tax guys are saying, no, we've got to do taxes.
And normally when people say that, they want to cram everything into it.
Normally, my mind says they're trying to hide stuff, and they make it too complicated.
So let's start...
With the NDAA, if we could.
I just think you're taking...
I think what's happening is you're taking the ability of the Doge guys, particularly Elon Musk and Vivek, to work with Payaletta and vote in the team over OMB to actually get organized on, hey, where are these cuts going to come from programmatically?
chip roy
So, first of all, thanks.
Thanks for having me on.
Great to see you, actually, last week in South Florida.
Let me just tell you that...
I believe where we are in the NDAA is it's a bill that I'm not going to be able to vote for.
I've said that publicly.
The reason we agreed unanimously to let it move forward with the rule was because there's a fight going on right now that the Speaker has picked to put Democrats in a box on the absurdity that the chairman, or I'm sorry, the ranking member for Democrats of the House Armed Services Committee refuses to support an NDAA because we simply are banning The ability of taxpayer funding to go to child mutilation for transgender surgeries for children.
So think about that.
There's actually power in doing that.
Now, I don't like the funding levels.
I don't like a lot of the stuff in the bill.
But here's the deal.
We're able to keep the funding level in this version at the FRA caps.
They're not the caps you and I would choose, but they are actually at the caps.
And we can go deal with that on the appropriation side once we have the good guys like Russ vote at OMB and so forth in the room.
The reason I'll vote against the bill is it continues to have DEI office, a chief diversity officer.
It still does not end race-based admissions, for example, at the academies.
There's still, you know, taxpayer-funded abortion travel fund.
But I think the Trump world will be able to come in and not do a lot of those policies.
We hold the spending at the FRA caps.
We give Russ and company and the Doge guys the ability to identify savings, shove down on that when we deal with the appropriations in March.
To get to your next question, which is the CR, I don't like CRs, but a three-month CR to buy time to get the good guys in there to negotiate and work on a really good spending package Hopefully, if the FRA cap levels are lower come March, while we're negotiating reconciliation, I think it's net a win.
So, last point, remember the CR won't be clean.
They're going to tag to it an unpaid-for bloated disaster supplemental.
I will oppose that, but my guess is it'll get moved under a suspension of the rules.
I'm focused like a laser with Russ and a lot of the good guys on the reconciliation package.
You said it.
I think we need a border reconciliation package first.
I think we need to come out of the gate and get it to the president's desk in January.
I think it needs to be paid for.
I think it needs to give him what he needs for border patrol, for ICE, for building the wall, for 287G efforts to work with local law enforcement, and all of the things that we need to do to expedite removals.
And we need to give him those resources before The media starts putting out parades of horribles with the pictures in the press and a bunch of Congress critters get cold feet and don't give the president the win he needs on the border.
We can deal with tax and spending later in the spring and by summer.
If we complicate it with a big package out of the gate, we won't deliver a win for President Trump on the border.
So that's where I am on those things.
I think we can get this NDAA to the best place it can be.
Again, I won't vote for the bill on the floor.
But we were able to get through this rule process.
We were able to extract wins to force Schumer's hand.
And now we can empower the Trump world next spring.
Again, not exactly what I would draft, and I'll vote against it.
But I think we navigated and threaded the needle to set up the team in the spring.
steve bannon
I just want to make sure I understand something.
On the NDAA, once you – and I understand the appropriations process, and this is why I've advocated immediately.
We don't need to pass a $6 trillion budget.
budget has got a trillion and a half dollar or trillion dollar gap and then have the doge vivek and elon come in after it's absurd you got to put that since they they are partners with omb that ought to be a collective effort in this appropriations process those 12 individual bills and that's why we hate short-term crs you got to kick it to president trump so president trump gets it but when you pass the and this is because i just don't trust the armed services command I don't.
They're always playing games.
When you pass this NDAA, it's got an $880 billion number in it.
What Vivek and Elon have represented, and I think it may be over-aggressive in the selling, a couple of trillion dollars worth of savings, you have to look on the discretionary spending of 1.5.
You've got to look at the defense budget.
If we lock in An NDAA at $880 billion.
I understand on the appropriations, you'll be able to, because that's where you're shuffling the cards under that top line.
You'll be able to make some marginal cuts.
I got it.
Maybe the system here, system there.
But the types of structural changes they're talking about is off the table until next year if this NDAA is approved.
Am I incorrect on that?
chip roy
I think it is yes and no.
You and I shared the skepticism for what will happen with respect to defense.
You said that number, that'll be the number.
What I'll tell you is we've been fighting off the defense appropriators who want another $25 billion in this.
They wanted a higher authorization number.
They want a higher appropriation number.
They wanted a big, omnibus bill in December that would be $25 billion higher on defense.
And then they're going to want more in FY26. So we're navigating through that while trying to buy time for President Trump and Lord willing Secretary Hegseth to come in and give us our priorities alongside Doge and Russ.
We know those will be good.
I don't accept that this locks us into that one number.
What I'm telling you is I'm holding my nose.
I'll vote against the bill.
But I'm holding my nose to move the rule along because I will give credit where it is due, despite my disagreements on things.
The Speaker has fought to get this issue with respect to the trans surgeries and to hold the total top line down to the FRA cap deal.
It tells you how bad the Republican conference is.
He had to fight to do that.
So this is why we need to keep working to get this into the funnel and get the Trump team in place.
So we have more support to get those numbers down.
So what I'm telling you is, this is an authorization bill, not the appropriations.
Yes, it is a higher number than you and I would prefer, but importantly, we're holding it down, and now we can go try to fight to change it when the good guys come in in January.
steve bannon
But in the authorization also to do, you know, for, you know, Vivek and Musk came to you guys the other day and it turned out to be an open mic night with, hey, you know, there's a university in my district that does, you know, salamander research.
You're not going to, you know, talking about people and talking about these little, you're not going to get there.
That's just the typical thing that's been talked about on talk radio and these shows for decades and years.
and decades and decades and leviathan growth to deconstruct the administrative state there has to be a rethinking of exactly what we're trying to do to get to limited government you've got to have strategic and priorities here's what we're going to do to get the blessings of liberty and we're not going to do these other things on the authorization aren't we aren't we locking hanging aren't we locking in basically the American Empire and And now we're going to talk about on the margins.
Do we cut 10 billion here, 5 billion here, 15 billion here?
But that authorization authorizes the neocon perspective of an American empire.
If you vote for it, you're locked in with a top-line number that they ain't going to back off of easily, sir.
chip roy
So, we're in agreement generally.
Let me back up to the Doge meeting when we had Vivek and Elon in there.
I think some of what happened there was a private meeting and got very public because I went to the mic.
There was all this love fest and everybody was sitting there going, oh, we love you.
unidentified
Thank you.
chip roy
You're going to save us.
You're going to make all these cuts.
And when I stood up to the mic and I said, guys, you know, we've been looking for the enemy and the enemy is us, right?
It's the people in this room.
We're the ones that have been signing on to all of these, not myself, but like, and there's a block of us and Freedom Caucus and others that have said no.
But, you know, we've been passing these bills and the power of the purse.
We've been funding all the garbage.
And so what you have right now is, by the way, as I said, the Republican chairman of the Armed Services Committee is mad at the speaker for daring to try to pull back on some of the issues like the trans surgeries and stuff, saying, we shouldn't do that.
It's too important.
We've got to move this big national defense authorization bill.
To your point.
Yes, we need a radical rethinking about how we handle defense.
You and I, and you served, we believe in having a strong military as a deterrent, sparingly used, with the tools to carry it out, the care when they get home, but not endless wars, not endless conflict, not this neocon, you know, globalist go-around-the-world perspective.
So, we've got to figure out how to change that.
That's been why we've been fighting to defend Pete, defend the nomination for the president, defend Tulsi, defend the worldview of the president, that we don't need to be in these endless conflicts.
The authorization is not where it should be.
Comma, however, what we've got in here are improvements, and we held that number down.
If we didn't do it this way, the neocons would have won in December, and we would have had a higher number via a suspension of the rules, and we would have lost the policy gains we got.
So this is about trying to buy time to get to January with the least damage possible.
And I think that we've done that.
unidentified
Again, I'm going to put a bill on the floor.
steve bannon
Got it.
I'm going to get to the Freedom Court syndrome now.
Every member of what they call the Cardinals Appropriation, but particularly those guys in the Armed Services Committee, you watch.
Every one of them wants increased defense spending.
They want to get to a trillion dollars as quickly as possible.
And they're going to vote for massive tax cuts for the wealthy and for the billionaires and corporations.
Watch it.
chip roy
Steve, you and I agree on that, which is why I support moving the border reconciliation package and why I said in a meeting yesterday that I'm not going to agree to all of these massive tax cuts unless and until we talk about what we're going to do on spending cuts, spending restraint, and restructuring the entirety of government.
That's what we talked about yesterday.
You are correct.
The powers that be don't want to do that.
But there's a block of us who do, and we're fighting to say that's what we need to do.
steve bannon
I've noticed the Freedom Caucus has been a little quiet lately.
I know it's an interim period.
Talk to me about the House Freedom Caucus.
And, you know, I've known you for many, many years.
I know you when you were with Ted Cruz and you're a fighter.
We need somebody that's we need the Russ votes types, the fighters, the people and the people you can't BS, the people that know where the bodies are buried.
That's Chip Roy.
So tell me what's happened to the Freedom Caucus.
What's happened to you?
chip roy
Well, the Freedom Caucus is engaged heavily.
One of the reasons that we're currently pulling back on the bloated disaster supplemental is that the Freedom Caucus has been holding the line saying, no, we're not going to do that.
We put out a statement saying, guys, this should be paid for.
You can't pass this on a CR. We took an official position.
We're trying to leverage on that.
Remember that the dance right now.
Is what happened in the last nine months, where things were passed under suspension of the rules, which is where they can bypass us, right, with a big uniparty vote.
And we're doing everything we can to leverage what we can with the speaker, who is giving us a seat at the table of the Freedom Caucus to say, guys, this is what the right thing to do is.
And we're trying to get this conference united around advancing the president's agenda.
So, the Freedom Caucus is sitting there saying, guys, minimize what you're doing on this supplemental.
Let's get votes to pay for things.
And there's some resistance to that.
Remember, go back to the fight two years ago with the Speaker.
We wanted to get more amendment votes to demonstrate that we should pay for things, that we should do the right thing, that we should vote on the issues that matter.
And that's what we're working on, is opening this process up.
So, bottom line is, we're throwing down on issues like that, unpaid-for spending, Fighting the unpaid for expansion of the stealing of Social Security, which is going to shorten the timeframe when it's going to go bankrupt.
And so we've been throwing down on those issues.
But when you get end run with a suspension of the rules, it's limited.
That's why we're working with the Trump administration coming in to set the fight up.
That's why the border supplemental fight matters so much.
Do that out of the gate.
unidentified
Give the president the tools he needs.
steve bannon
Chip, hang on for one second.
I just want to hold you to this break.
Just be another couple minutes.
Short break.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Vann. .
steve bannon
Okay, big story in the Daily Mail.
We're going to get to you this afternoon.
MSNBC freefall in ratings.
Rachel Maddow down 43 percent.
Joe Scarborough.
Because they lied to these people.
These people were all set up.
And they didn't have the guts, I don't think, to stick around and show President Trump winning.
Of course they're going to abandon him.
And Scarborough and Morning Mika go down to President Trump to kiss the ring after calling him a Nazi, calling him all these hateful things over the past couple of years.
Doesn't wash.
You won't see the war room folks.
You don't see the war room posse.
You don't see us leaving the country during the dark days of 21, the first six months or so.
You didn't see that.
No discussion.
Not even a concept.
What are you talking about?
We're going to fight for our country.
All you see in the liberal left progress is all going to Cotswolds, going to Switzerland, going all over the place.
And here, the implosion, our audience grew.
Our audience has always grown.
Why?
We're pretty straightforward folks.
Let them make up their own minds.
MSNBC specifically misled their people.
Now they say, oh, we knew this beforehand.
Well, that's why they're not coming back.
They think you lied to them.
Chip Roy, I've known you a long time.
Let me make a recommendation or just throw it out.
You're both a strategist and a tactician.
We need a hammer.
A hammer.
On the rules committee, you've been on rules, but like chairman of the rules, is that just too far outside the realm of possibility, sir?
chip roy
Well, that position is up to the speaker, and I will defer to the speaker on that.
Obviously, I have put my name out there, and a number of my colleagues, I'm proud to have their support.
Again, it's up to the speaker.
I think that I would add some value in that position because of my expertise in the rules and because I think I can figure out how to bring the conference together because we have to deliver.
The whole point here is, for the president, for the country, for the movement, we have to get to 218 votes to deliver on the agenda.
We have to secure the border.
We have to deal with the tax and spending issue to reduce the deficit.
And we've got to fundamentally transform the town that is beholden to the special interests around Washington, including in the Defense Department.
We've got to upend the intel, you know, focus on the American people at the FBI and the intel communities.
And we've got to restructure the power base and de-weaponize government against the people.
That is going to take Congress doing its job.
I think I could do a good job of that at the Rules Committee, but that is up to the Speaker.
I'll leave it up to him, but I'm happy to serve if asked.
steve bannon
Chip, where do people follow you on social media?
How do they get to your office, your website, all of it?
chip roy
Sure.
Roy.house.gov is my official side, and Rep Chip Roy on Twitter on the official side.
I'm Chip Roy, T-X, C-H-I-P-R-O-Y-T-X, in my personal slash political Twitter.
And I appreciate you, Steve.
God bless you.
steve bannon
Congressman Roy, we really appreciate you and want you back on as frequently as you can to explain.
This is obviously very complicated, and the audience loves this stuff, and they want to be active.
They want to get engaged as usual.
So thank you.
chip roy
Let's come back on and talk about reconciliation that I've been talking to Russ about.
We can really get in the weeds on it whenever you want.
steve bannon
Love the weeds.
Thank you, sir.
chip roy
Yes, sir.
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steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
We'll see you this afternoon.
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