June 22, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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to all the other judges that are not putting their finger on the scale for Donald Trump. | |
| What you're seeing is, let's throw everything on the wall. | ||
| I mean, there is a legal theory, right? | ||
| It's called the spaghetti theory. | ||
| You throw everything on the wall, maybe it's ketchup for Donald Trump, and you see what | ||
| sticks. | ||
| And when you try to go against the prosecution or the judges and you allege bias or you allege | ||
| some type of partisan action that's being taken by the judicial system, that then rigs | ||
| the outcome, right? | ||
| So when Donald Trump is convicted, he can just point to that and say, well, Judge Marchand was biased, or D.A. | ||
| Alvin Bragg had it in for me because Bragg is racist, how that works, I have no idea. | ||
| And so when you do that, you can try to end run the legal outcome of a judicial system, and that gives you the cover that you need for your less educated, lower valued voters that are going to buy into that. | ||
| I'm saying that there's no way that this outcome could have occurred other than something being wrong with the prosecutors or the judges in the case. | ||
| I have one follow-up. | ||
| It's just that you have said that this plan is about instituting, institutionalizing Trumpism. | ||
| So, because I also know you all, you're not just the president of the Heritage Foundation, you're also president of the Heritage Action, which is the political action committee. | ||
| And so, is it tied to Trump or not? | ||
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I said the context for that comment to the New York Times was that the work of the Heritage Foundation was to institutionalize Trumpism. | |
| Trumpism as a new version of conservatism. | ||
| A conservatism that recognizes that by every objective measure the United States is weaker in 2024 than it was in 1984. | ||
| We also happen to think that's reversible, by the way. | ||
| We're ultimately optimists. | ||
| And by institutionalizing Trumpism, what we're saying is that even though we are known as Ronald Reagan's think tank, I'm a son of the Reagan revolution, I'm very proud of that, that that's 40 years ago. | ||
| And we need to understand what time it is in America. | ||
| And right now, Donald Trump, whether someone likes it or not, I happen to like it, is the standard bearer for conservatives. | ||
| About this upcoming election, is your organization going to accept the results of the 2024 presidential election? | ||
| I believe that Dr. Roberts can't hear, so Alicia just asked, is your organization going to accept the results of the 2024 election, regardless of the outcome? | ||
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Yes, if there isn't massive fraud like there was in 2020. | |
| What does that mean? | ||
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If there isn't massive fraud. | |
| Do you believe that? | ||
| There was not massive fraud. | ||
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There was massive fraud. | |
| We have an election fraud database that has documented that over years. | ||
| By the way, the Heritage Foundation has been concerned about election integrity for decades, not just about 2020. | ||
| We've been documenting this problem for a very long time. | ||
| I believe, according to the Heritage Foundation, sir, there, by your count, Heritage Foundation has done an investigation, and according to your count, there have been 1,513 proven instances of voter fraud across the United States since 1982. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably 1% of what's happened. | ||
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1,513. | |
| Because they're very hard to document. | ||
| And the Democrat Party is very good at fraud. | ||
| The key thing here, which I think we would both agree on, is that we aspire at the Heritage Foundation to seeing a poll after this election where every American believes their vote was counted. | ||
| I care as deeply about someone on the political left, with whom I disagree, saying that they have confidence in the outcome of the election. | ||
| It seems rather than turn this into a partisan conversation, which you do a good job of at MSNBC, we might say we aspire to something more noble, which is that every American believes their vote counts. | ||
| I mean, I don't think it's partisan to ask if you'll accept the results of the election. | ||
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I do have another question. | |
| I'm specifically interested as it relates, Dr. Roberts, to the deportation of immigrants in this country, just understanding sort of how it is going to work. | ||
| We talk about folks on the interior, how you see a future administration utilizing the National Guard, ICE, police forces to deport something like 11 million people. | ||
| Could you hear? | ||
| So she is asking about immigration and how you see immigration, how in this plan, how you talk about using like the National Guard to deport individuals. | ||
| Like what is the, Alicia, and do tell me if I am adequately summarizing. | ||
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Yeah, people on the interior specifically, not the border. | |
| People on the interior specifically, not people on the border, people within this country. | ||
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Well, first of all, we need to close the border, and secondly, we need to have the biggest mass deportation system ever in the history of America, because it is unjust and illegal and evil that more than 10 million illegal aliens have come to this country. | |
| It's imperative that we send those people back, invite them back to come through the legal system. | ||
| We love immigrants at Heritage, but we also love the rule of law. | ||
| So, how do you plan to carry that out? | ||
| Are you talking about going door-to-door? | ||
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I mean, I could read from the plan, but I think... The first thing is that there's going to be a lot of self-deportation. | |
| The interesting thing, as you no doubt know, is that simply talking about this and beginning to implement a plan, and President Trump deserves a lot of credit for talking about this, causes people to say, I don't want to run the risk of being arrested for doing something illegal. | ||
| But secondly, there are great plans, using the Department of Homeland Security, to return these people back to south of the border. | ||
| The great thing is, even a majority of people on the political left agree with this, Because they see the damage that this has done. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| You're not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb. | |
| It's Saturday, 22 June in the Year of Our Lord 2024. | ||
| President Trump has two massive speaking engagements today, one in Philadelphia near Temple University, the other at the Faith and Freedom Conference later today. | ||
| Real America's Voice is in both places. | ||
| We're going to get to all that. | ||
| We have Rahim and Ben Burquam in the United Kingdom following that amazing campaign that's going on over there. | ||
| We have Ben Harnwell in Rome is going to talk about A revolution in France that people better understand. | ||
| We're going to make sure you totally understand it. | ||
| The implosion, the implosion of the global elitist in France. | ||
| We're going to get to that. | ||
| We've got Michael Patrick Lea. | ||
| I want to start and we're going to try to get Dr. Kevin Roberts who gave a star turn this morning on MSNBC. | ||
| I think it was five on one. | ||
| Rahim Kassam, I'm going to come back to you about Niger and all that, but you just saw Dr. Kevin Roberts talking about Project 2025, talking about what has to happen with the forever wars, the mass deportation, sealing the border, on and on and on. | ||
| And MSNBC went through absolute total meltdown. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
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Not completely expected, of course. | |
| The demonization of people who are working to restore the federal government to what it was supposed to be in the United States seems to be triggering people almost as much as what Nigel Farage is saying about Ukraine is triggering people on this side of the Atlantic, Steve. | ||
| No, I know they're coming with him on Russia, but the thing that triggered them the most Was Dr. Kevin Roberts in the Project 2025 plan with others, you know, Roosevelt and others, to back up President Trump's plan to seal the border and to do mass deportations? | ||
| Is that not still the single biggest issue that the reason of the rise of Nigel Farage right now is this situation? | ||
| Because this is what's happening in France. | ||
| The end of your society, the end of your culture by this mass migration or mass invasion is not what's happening and what you guys are following. | ||
| We just had Ben Burquam threatened with getting shanked in the throat. | ||
| Is this not the single central biggest issue in the Judeo-Christian West? | ||
| It is and you know if you go around especially we're in a neighborhood called Jaywick at the moment in the constituency of Clacton if you go around and you actually talk to the people here at the pubs and here at the campaign offices and we've been doing and seeing members of the public out on the street Talking to them. | ||
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It is predominantly the immigration election. | |
| Now, of course, you'd probably be aware, Steve, the Americans talk about the issue in a lot more starker terms, a lot more brusque terms than some of the people around here do. | ||
| They've been kind of beaten out of them that they can actually be honest and be upfront and be forthright. | ||
| We were talking to a bunch of people last night. | ||
| Outside one of the village halls that Nigel Farage was doing an event in about this as well. | ||
| And people are very cautious, you know, they don't want to be charged with a hate crime. | ||
| They don't want to be, you know, have their children taken away simply because they vote a certain way or they affiliate with a certain party. | ||
| But it is the immigration election and that's the thing that Nigel Farage keeps saying over and over again. | ||
| Hang on a second. | ||
| We're going to come back and talk about this in more detail. | ||
| Michael Patrick Leahy joins us. | ||
| And I've got you here, Michael, for your breaking news on Vanderbilt and Vanderbilt Medical and everything with this radical transgender ideology and your great coverage of the Covenant school shooting. | ||
| But I've got to ask you, because you're one of the smartest guys I know, the deconstruction of the administrative state now has MSNBC, the New York Times absolutely apoplectic. | ||
| They cannot handle it. | ||
| Your thoughts, sir? | ||
| I think exactly right. | ||
| And Kevin Roberts on MSNBC just did a great tour de force of putting forward the argument for the destruction of the administrative state. | ||
| And as your audience saw, the heads on MSNBC talking heads were exploding. | ||
| We're going to get into more of it. | ||
| We're trying to get Dr. Roberts on this morning, giving this tour de force. | ||
| It was actually greater than what he did at Davos, which I think was pretty great. | ||
| Michael, I know you've got to go. | ||
| You're hosting an event this morning. | ||
| I asked you to be at the top of the show. | ||
| Talk to me about, this is really quite disturbing, because Vanderbilt University and Vanderbilt Medical Center are kind of revered institutions, not just in Nashville, not just in Tennessee, but throughout the whole nation. | ||
| Your reporting has people pretty shocked. | ||
| Can you get us up to date? | ||
| Yeah, as everybody knows, on March 27th, 2023, 28-year-old Audrey Elizabeth Hale, who was born female, self-identified as a transgender male, walked into her former elementary school, Covenant School, here in Nashville, Tennessee, and murdered three 9-year-olds and three staff members. | ||
| Within 20 minutes on that day, Metro National Police Department killed her. | ||
| Now, that's March 27th. | ||
| We have sought in court to obtain about 1,000 pages of her writings, and that case is still under review here in Nashville in Tennessee Chantry Court by Judge LaShea Miles. | ||
| We obtained, legally, some documents early in June, about 80 pages of the Transgender Killers journals out of 1,000 the judge is reviewing, and then some other documents that were unrelated to what the judge is reviewing. | ||
| One of those documents showed that there was an affidavit from the lead investigator seeking a search warrant from Vanderbilt University Medical Center. | ||
| We also secured the results of that search warrant. | ||
| We published this and we showed actually the document and the metadata connecting the notes taken from that search warrant by the lead investigator and they were stunning, Steve. | ||
| They showed That medical health professionals at Vanderbilt University Medical Center knew that Audrey Elizabeth Hale wanted to kill her father and wanted to engage in a mass school shooting. | ||
| Now, in Tennessee, there is a duty to warn law. | ||
| Nobody at Vanderbilt University Medical Center warned her father or alerted anybody about it. | ||
| And so no one knew this for over a year until we published that story earlier this month. | ||
| Well, and just a reminder, just a reminder that Vanderbilt University Medical Center was at the center of a controversy when a medical doctor there announced in 2018 that transgender surgery was, quote, big money. | ||
| So fast forward on Thursday, we received a message from a father of a teenage girl currently receiving treatment at Vanderbilt University Medical Center who says, My daughter went in there for treatment in 2020-2021 and immediately began talking about the transgender lifestyle and wanted to change her name to a male name. | ||
| And he said he has reason to believe, but not prove, that Vanderbilt University Medical Center was encouraging this move to a transgender lifestyle. | ||
| Very disturbing. | ||
| And his question was, the father, the distraught father's question was, Is Vanderbilt University Medical Center, through its psychiatric hospital, grooming young teenage girls to become transgender surgery candidates where there is, quote, big money for Vanderbilt University Medical Center? | ||
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Michael Patrick Leahy, where do people keep up with this over the weekend? | ||
| Social media, I know you're at an event, but the Tennessee Stars on top of this. | ||
| And let me say something, given the great folks, the volunteer state, the great folks in Tennessee, Nashville, which is now becoming not just one of the major cities in the United States, but soon to be one of the major cities in the world, should be absolutely ashamed that one of their great institutions, Vanderbilt University | ||
| Medical Center, is doing this. It's absolutely outrageous and your courage | ||
| to attack this and go after it is incredible. Where do people go, Michael Patrick Leahy? | ||
| Just a little reminder, I am still in legal jeopardy in the state case where the judge is | ||
| threatening to charge me with contempt of court for the non-crime of exercising my First Amendment rights. | ||
| If anybody wants to help out our legal fees, go to tennesseestar.com slash donate. | ||
| And to see the entire 50 or so stories we've written on it this month, go to tennesseestar.com. | ||
| We've got a little tab there, Covenant Shooter Investigation. | ||
| Just click on the tab and you can see all the stories. | ||
| Gotta get to the bottom of this. | ||
| Transgender violence is gonna overwhelm the schools if we don't watch out and get on top of it. | ||
| Michael Patrick Leahy, thank you very much. | ||
| Honored to have you on here. | ||
| Okay, we're going to return. | ||
| We got Raheem Kassam and Ben Berkwam in England. | ||
| We have our own Ben Harnwell in Rome. | ||
| John Solomon's going to join us. | ||
| Jeff Clark's going to join us. | ||
| Bob Good's going to join us. | ||
| We are packed today. | ||
| Cash Patel, all of it, on a Saturday morning in the world. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
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I'm specifically interested as it relates, Dr. Roberts, to the deportation of immigrants in this country, just understanding sort of how it is going to work. | |
| We talk about folks on the interior, how you see a future administration utilizing the National Guard, ICE, police forces to deport something like 11 million people. | ||
| Could you hear? | ||
| So she is asking about immigration and how you see immigration, how in this plan, how you talk about using like the National Guard to deport individuals. | ||
| What is the, Alicia, and do tell me if I am adding quickly. | ||
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Yeah, people on the interior specifically. | |
| People on the interior specifically, not people on the border, people within this country. | ||
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Well, first of all, we need to close the border, and secondly, we need to have the biggest mass deportation system ever in the history of America, because it is unjust and illegal and evil that more than 10 million illegal aliens have come to this country. | |
| It's imperative that we send those people back, invite them back to come through the legal system. | ||
| We love immigrants at Heritage, but we also love the rule of law. | ||
| So, how do you plan to carry that out? | ||
| Well, you talk about going door to door because that's what I mean. | ||
| I can read from the plan, but I think the first thing is that there's going to be a | ||
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lot of self deportation. | |
| The interesting thing, as you no doubt know, is that simply talking about this and beginning | ||
| to implement a plan and President Trump deserves a lot of credit for talking about this causes | ||
| people to say, I don't want to run the risk of being arrested for doing something illegal. | ||
| But secondly, there are great plans using the Department of Homeland Security to return | ||
| these people back to south of the border. | ||
| The great thing is even a majority of people on the political left agree with this because | ||
| they see the damage that this has done. | ||
| What are they doing now? | ||
| Which people? | ||
| The folks, the 11 million, 20 million, whatever you want to do for them. | ||
| A lot of them are committing crimes like murdering the 12 year old girl in Houston. | ||
| Uh, in fact, that's one out of 11 million. | ||
| What is the remaining time of the segment? | ||
| And I can give you a. | ||
| In Texas, undocumented immigrants were 37.1% less likely to be convicted of a crime. | ||
| Undocumented immigrants, according to a survey, University of California Riverside study, 33% less likely to be in prison as of 2021. | ||
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Tell that to the survivors of the young lady killed in Georgia. | |
| I'm just giving the numbers. | ||
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Well, what do you tell the parents of those people, those young girls who were killed? | |
| The preponderance of these people, Michael, are male. | ||
| But what is the difference between an illegal immigrant who, unfortunately, engages in that activity? | ||
| And we don't like that. | ||
| I want to be clear. | ||
| We don't use the term illegal, but undocumented individuals. | ||
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That's sweet. | |
| They're illegal aliens. | ||
| Undocumented individuals versus anyone else who commits the same crime. | ||
| I mean, so what you're saying is because you have this instance of individuals behaving | ||
| badly that that's a reflection of every individual in that community, and that's just not the | ||
| case, is it? | ||
| No, what is the case is that because the preponderance of... | ||
| of those people, the 11 million that you want to deport. | ||
| I just want to clarify my question. | ||
| That's what I'm trying to do. | ||
| What percentage of those individuals that you want to get rid of, move out of the country, | ||
| actually commit crimes? | ||
| Our analysis in Texas, Georgia, and New York shows that a preponderance of the illegals | ||
| who have come in are unproven. | ||
| Unattached male, and there are unattached males, and the disproportionate number of them are people who are not even making any attempt to be legal. | ||
| What is that number? | ||
| Are you talking 10 out of 1,000, or are you talking, you know, I'm just trying to get... Well, I just would say, and if Alicia were sitting here and you could hear her, she would say that you are weaponizing a horrific murder to smear 11 million people. | ||
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That is a laughable assertion. | |
| What Joe Biden is doing is weaponizing the entire government. | ||
| Before we let you go, Dr. Roberts, I do want to ask you about abortion. | ||
| That is magnificent. | ||
| I want the weekend, that's the morning show, I want the MSNBC script to be Joe Biden's script on Thursday night. | ||
| This will be a 65-35 election. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| You see it. | ||
| They're defending the 11 million illegal aliens, and they're defending illegal alien crime. | ||
| It's not a big deal. | ||
| You're trying to smear people. | ||
| MSNBC is saying the quiet part a lot. | ||
| The reason is that Saturday morning show, they're not the best trained. | ||
| I mean, that's not Rachel Maddow or Chris Hayes. | ||
| That's not primetime. | ||
| But they're showing you the thinking behind it. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, we have an implosion in France. | ||
| Folks, understand, this is all the same thing. | ||
| Now in France, it's ratcheting up and going next level, as Macron is down 6 points in 30 days. | ||
| The establishment in France that has allowed the invasion is absolutely imploding in front of our eyes, and the rise of the right is driven by young people. | ||
| that want to save their civilization and save their culture. | ||
| You're seeing much of the same here. | ||
| This is why President Trump is now tied and about to lead in under 29 years old, a 29 year old, | ||
| something he lost by, I think, 30 points in 2020. Ben Harnwell, you see right there, | ||
| they're going to defend. Well, as soon as you mentioned seal the border, mass deportations, | ||
| they absolutely lose it. And it comes out, they want as many illegal aliens here to flood the | ||
| country and to overwhelm American citizens and in that discussion | ||
| If you don't believe my concept of American citizens have to come first, just listen the way MSNBC. | ||
| You're nothing but scum, you're nothing but, you're the forgotten man and woman, regardless of your race, your ethnicity, your religion, they don't care about you. | ||
| Now in France, and in the United Kingdom, in the United Kingdom they gotta be a lot, they gotta dance around it, in France they don't. | ||
| Ben Harnwell, your thoughts. | ||
| Steve, just responding to the MSNBC segments that we've been hearing in the show today. | ||
| It's amazing when on the subject of immigration, progressives suddenly become Austrian school libertarians. | ||
| It's amazing to watch and to behold. | ||
| However, I've got to pick up on two points. | ||
| It's very difficult when you're on national television to maintain a clear line of thought, especially when you're debating a single person. | ||
| To have basically five people sitting there bombarding you and interrupting you, it's pretty impossible. | ||
| So if I pick up on a couple of things, it's by no means a criticism. | ||
| Of of Kevin Roberts. | ||
| Firstly, however, on the point that because you do hear this and I think it depends on state from state to state, whether illegal immigrants are more likely or less likely to commit crime. | ||
| My response, and of course, I've had the luxury of sitting here by myself and a couple of minutes to hear the debate, but my response to that, Steve, It's against the suggestion that in Texas illegal immigrants are 37% less likely to commit crime than Americans. | ||
| Look, one crime from an illegal immigrant in the United States is unacceptable and intolerable. | ||
| One crime. | ||
| That's not 1%, one crime from people who should not be in the country. | ||
| A single infraction of the law is unacceptable. | ||
| That's my response. | ||
| And if you're saying to me that, you know, there's 37% less likely on behalf of illegals, you know, these people should not be legally in the country. | ||
| It's unacceptable, Steve. | ||
| That is my response. | ||
| And I have to wheel back. | ||
| There was one point that I really, really don't agree with Dr Robertson. | ||
| So Dr. Robertson, when he says, look, what was his, about immigration, he says, | ||
| I love immigrants. | ||
| He said, you know, the people who are here, they should leave and then and then apply to come back in legally. | ||
| Steve. | ||
| And then he goes on about the rule of law. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Rule of law is important, but it's not the most important thing. | ||
| This is not the immigration issue is not about process. | ||
| It's about so much more. | ||
| And this is the pivot into the French situation. | ||
| But I have to push back on that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What the good president of Heritage Foundation should have said is, I love immigrants, but I love Americans. | ||
| And I love Americans more. | ||
| Because this is not a zero-sum game that's going on in the economy, in the labor market. | ||
| And you have to make hard choices. | ||
| And platitudes aren't going to cut it. | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| Not where we are in the national debate, what Raheem was saying earlier on. | ||
| And his contribution. | ||
| This is where the debate is right now. | ||
| So to wheel that back and start coming up. | ||
| And I have to mention, it's not taking place in a vacuum. | ||
| I have to mention that President Trump's intervention yesterday. | ||
| I can't agree with that. | ||
| And I've seen you've posted on Getter as well on this. | ||
| This is wrong. | ||
| This is not where the debate is right now. | ||
| MAGA, The war in Posse have worked and committed so much over recent years to bring the debate to this point. | ||
| To start wheeling it back and coming out with platitudes that Jeb! | ||
| or Marco Rubio or Nikki Haley could have produced. | ||
| It's an unforced error, I think, of where we are right now. | ||
| Look, to talk about what's happening in France, because as you say, it's the same debate, as he was saying, in the UK as well. | ||
| This is fundamentally an argument about civilization against attack. | ||
| It has always been that, but now it is visibly about that. | ||
| It is about having the society And a country that your children can grow up in and it be recognisably the same country that you yourselves grew up in. | ||
| I think your point on immigration is something I can embrace myself. | ||
| I want to see every person, every single person in this country, right, who wants a job to have a job before we start talking about letting people in. | ||
| That, I think, is where the debate should be in. | ||
| But when people start talking about the need to have legal immigration and all the rest of it, Steve, that's code. | ||
| And what that is code for is I'm going to produce a reasonable-sounding platitude now, and after the election, after I've won, I'm going to betray you. | ||
| That is, when you hear Republicans talking in those terms, reach for your gun, because you know the fix is in. | ||
| I know we've got a break, I think, coming up, but I want to dig into what's happening in France, what's happening in Europe, and also talk about the role that the youth are playing in this populist revolution. | ||
| Let's put a pin in this because I want to connect. | ||
| What's happening and oftentimes like Brexit to present, you know, Brexit was in June. | ||
| President Trump's victory was in November, this in 16. | ||
| Oftentimes these things take and they're actually more profound. | ||
| What's happening in France right now appears to be Absolutely fundamental and quite profound about the saving of a civilization and a society led by a revolt of the young that are now supporting Front National, a national rally, and Marie Le Pen and, of course, her 28-year-old wingman, who could be the Prime Minister, Bardella. | ||
| We're going to get to all that. | ||
| John Solomon's going to come back. | ||
| Blockbuster news by John Solomon, as usual. | ||
| Dr. Kevin Roberts is also going to join us. | ||
| We're going to get him here after his star turn at MSNBC. | ||
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| Go check it out today. | ||
| The end of the dollar empire. | ||
| Also talk to the team at Birchgold about gold as a hedge with the plummeting purchasing power of the U.S. | ||
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| Back with John Solomon in a moment. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| The great John Solomon joins us. | ||
| John, thank you for taking time away from your Saturday. | ||
| Talk to me about this new piece you got up, you and I talked about last night, because you're dropping one bomb after the other, sir. | ||
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Yeah, well, listen, I think this stems from a conversation you and I had three weeks ago. | |
| We started talking on your show about the need to find out if Joe Biden got a defensive briefing. | ||
| After all the things his son was doing, people in the intelligence community had to see it and say, hey, he's dealing with a company we consider corrupt. | ||
| He's dealing with a Certainly, the U.S. | ||
| intelligence community would give a defensive briefing. | ||
| Why do I say that? | ||
| In 2015, Hillary Clinton, as her campaign was gearing up, got a defensive briefing about some efforts by untoward foreign influences to influence her campaign. | ||
| Ironically, Donald Trump didn't get the same... Hey John, John, John, John, John, hang on. | ||
| One thing we try to do here is teach nomenclature. | ||
| What is a defensive briefing? | ||
| Why is it important? | ||
| And what is it used by, by the deep state? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So in a normal proper use of it, it's a briefing to a political figure or major business figure telling them, we are aware of efforts to influence or infiltrate your organization, to influence you, to potentially compromise you and your family. | ||
| It goes on all the time. | ||
| The FBI gives these briefings all the time. | ||
| In the last 10 years, they've been weaponized a lot more. | ||
| Democrats seem to get the defensive briefings to benefit them and make sure they're protected. | ||
| And like in the case of Donald Trump, he didn't get a briefing during that whole time where they claimed they thought Russia was trying to influence the campaign. | ||
| They don't brief him. | ||
| And then in 2020, they weaponized it against conservatives when Ron Johnson And Chuck Grassley were digging into Hunter Biden and all of these untoward foreign deals that were going on. | ||
| They tried to brief him and suggest, hey, this could be a Russian disinformation campaign. | ||
| Be careful. | ||
| Now, by the time they made that briefing, they had no basis to make it, just like The 51 intelligence agents didn't have a way to make it. | ||
| So it's been weaponized by the administrative state in the last decade. | ||
| But in normal history, it's a very valuable tool. | ||
| The FBI or the CIA comes in and says, someone's trying to infiltrate you. | ||
| Someone's trying to harm your family. | ||
| Someone is trying to create a compromise for you. | ||
| And those briefings usually put a public leader in a position to defend against themselves. | ||
| Given the amount of people that were infiltrating the Biden circle and given the nature of the money that was changing hands and who it was coming from, people like Mr. Zolchevsky, the owner of Burisma, the oligarch Papaviciu in Romania, people that were on the U.S. | ||
| intelligence radar, Elena Baterino, the Russian oligarch who was trying to get real estate deals done in the United States, it seems improbable from every expert that I've talked to that Both Joe Biden and probably Barack Obama didn't get these briefings. | ||
| They probably did. | ||
| And why is that such an important story? | ||
| Like we talked about a few months ago, a few weeks ago, the American people kind of glaze over. | ||
| There's all these complex business transactions. | ||
| There's all these foreign-sounding names. | ||
| And they know something bad went on, but it doesn't all fall into place. | ||
| In fact, that may have been part of the Hunter Biden design, right? | ||
| Make it so complicated no one would understand it. | ||
| It's a very simple story to say Joe Biden was told his son was dealing with bad people and then he continued to enable his son doing that going to the cafe Milano's going to the Uh, phone calls going to the having meetings with his business associates at the Naval Observatory, all the things that we've proven such a simple story. | ||
| So that's what we laid out. | ||
| Uh, in the last week, I had interviews with both Jim Jordan and James Comer. | ||
| They have now requested the, uh, and, uh, uh, the intelligence committee provide them any and all defensive briefings that both Barack Obama and Joe Biden got. | ||
| And Comer went further. | ||
| He clearly knows something and said, I'm pretty certain they happened and we're going to get them. | ||
| That is a major development. | ||
| It could be a game changer in this impeachment argument because it's very simple. | ||
| Joe Biden knew, and he still went and assisted his son. | ||
| He got warned. | ||
| He still assisted his son. | ||
| Now, if the intelligence community didn't provide those defensive briefings, then the FBI and the CIA have a lot of explaining to do because, as the documents I've made public the last month show, the FBI had 3.39 million pages of documents Amazing. | ||
| John, thank you for taking time away on a Saturday. | ||
| of these influence-peddling schemes that the Bidens were involved in. | ||
| Either way, this is a major story, and finally, Congress is on the trail. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| John, thank you for taking time away on a Saturday. | ||
| Where do people go for the show, the podcast, your writings, the news site, all of it? | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| JustinNews.com has everything. | ||
| Go there and check it out. | ||
| I'm lucky enough to follow you every Monday through Friday here on Real America's Voice. | ||
| That's always exciting. | ||
| And then, of course, I have Jay Solomon reports on all Twitter handles. | ||
| Brother Solomon, you're on the case and good things are happening. | ||
| Thank you so much, sir. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Good to be with you. | ||
| We have a cold open for Dr. Kevin Roberts. | ||
| Dr. Kevin Roberts opened the show with his five-on-one throwdown today on MSNBC. | ||
| Let's do the cold open. | ||
| We'll bring in Dr. Kevin Roberts from Heritage. | ||
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Dr. Roberts started with a bit of a falsehood because he's trying to distance his project from Trumpism. | |
| Although, as you pointed out, you said the point is to institutionalize Trumpism. | ||
| In fact, the idea, one of the core ideas of Project 2025, which is, let's be clear, it's a blueprint to transform American government and society from a liberal democracy to an autocracy. | ||
| And one of the core things is dismantling the administrative state. | ||
| That's a quote. | ||
| Who is the genesis of this idea? | ||
| It's Steve Bannon. | ||
| And I know because I wrote an op-ed and I was very frightened as I wrote it on February 1st, 2017 for CNN called Trump and Bannon's coup in the making. | ||
| And it described a plan to have kind of a blitzkrieg of executive orders. | ||
| that would transform government, to dismantle the government, | ||
| and to institute a governance structure that allowed the executive to not have controls on him anymore. | ||
| And this is one of the main influences we see now developed in Project 2025. | ||
| So this is a radical right project. | ||
| Now the other thing I just want to say to start off is, interesting quote of Dr. Roberts that they tell the truth | ||
| with a smile on their face. | ||
| They have to have a smile on their face because what their project will do, it's a recipe for mass chaos, mass hardship. | ||
| I mean, think about the human and social and economic actual outcomes of abolishing the Department of Commerce. | ||
| If you have people in business who are watching, they want to abolish the Department of Commerce because they want to remove regulations on plunderers of the economy. | ||
| The Department of Education, the Department of Justice, all the things that are integral to the health of our children, you know, the integrity of our society, national security, all of this is supposed to go. | ||
| Because the real project is to destroy the governance apparatus and the civil servants of liberal democracy and create the structures and the personnel that will support autocracy. | ||
| As you know, this audience, Project 2025, Mandate for Leadership, The Conservative Promise, forwarded by Dr. Kevin Roberts, edited by Paul Danz, Stephen Groves, which is a blueprint for a conservative approach to the Leviathan, a project that's been worked on for a while. | ||
| Dr. Kevin Roberts, a star turned this morning because they absolutely, totally, and completely Melted down. | ||
| Could you just walk through your theory of the case about the administrative state, how this leviathan grew, and the kind of logic to support a constitutional republic that this is, to actually kind of take it on and see how you can change it for the better, sir? | ||
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Yes, Steve. | |
| First of all, thanks for having me on. | ||
| It's always a pleasure. | ||
| The core question is the one that you just asked. | ||
| And in essence, as you know, and your audience knows, what Project 2025 is trying to do is issue a corrective, a series of new regulation or deregulation, new policies, new leadership to undo, to correct the century-long capital P progressive project of establishing a fourth branch of government, the administrative state. | ||
| And it would seem to me, just thinking about my visit to MSNBC, that former Republicans, former conservatives like Michael Steele, if there's any shred of intellectual honesty remaining among people like that, would understand that this actually transcends, this goal transcends Republican and Democrat. | ||
| It actually is exceedingly constitutional. | ||
| And probably what I should have asked MSNBC is, for a network that purports to save democracy, why would you be opposed to a project whose main aim is to restore this constitutional republic? | ||
| The answer ultimately just is sort of personified by that history professor. | ||
| is that they simply can't handle the truth that for the first time in the history of the conservative movement in this country, we're as organized as they are. | ||
| We are as prepared as they have always been to take the reins of power and use it appropriately for the everyday American. | ||
| Dr. Roberts, it's ironic that you had this turn. | ||
| And by the way, the reason I think our audience so admires you is that you just don't come on War Room or go on Fox. | ||
| You go to Davos main stage and throw down hard in front of the Party of Davos or the World Economic Forum. | ||
| You go into MSNBC and to the Lion's Den on a Saturday morning 5-1-1. | ||
| Isn't it ironic on the very eve of one of the most historic weeks in the Supreme Court where five major administrative state cases will be decided and we'll get opinions including the Chevron deference that you're on there and they're a complete freakout. | ||
| It's almost like they don't really understand what this Leviathan is. | ||
| You think that's part of the problem that they don't, they understand what they've built but they don't understand how anti-constitutional republic it is, sir? | ||
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Completely. | |
| And they literally, well, not literally, figuratively live in a bubble. | ||
| They literally live in a social bubble of Washington, D.C. | ||
| or New York City or the left coast. | ||
| And therefore, they have lost sight of the fact that it isn't just among American conservatives, Steve, it's also American centrists, even a handful of American liberals who understand that this country is in really bad shape for a lot of reasons. | ||
| The main reason we argue at Heritage and at Project 2025 it's in bad shape is the precise point that you mentioned, that the everyday American no longer has power over his or her life. | ||
| And as I tried to suggest on MSNBC this morning, we ought to aspire to every American waking up tomorrow and saying, I at least don't have to worry about the government over-regulating my existence. | ||
| I don't have to worry about 350 armed agents with the Environmental Protection Agency, just to cite one example of the insidiousness of the administrative state. | ||
| And we ought to celebrate that Across the political spectrum, here is an opportunity on the brink of these five potentially landmark decisions by the Supreme Court that we get to take our country back. | ||
| And the final point that I will make, just giving the benefit of the doubt even to our friends and non-friends at MSNBC, is if the political left and the political right and the political center in this country are intellectually honest about wanting to restore civil discord, you and I both are skeptical of that as it relates to the left, then Project 2025 is the answer. | ||
| This is how we sort of reset the balance between the proper amount of power that the federal government needs to have, but also, most importantly, the power that the people have. | ||
| Dr. Roberts, I know you're jammed for time. | ||
| We do want to hold you for the break just for a couple of the questions, but I got about a minute here. | ||
| They completely melted down about the sealing of the border and the mass deportations. | ||
| In particular, they didn't care about American citizens and crime against American citizens. | ||
| Is the problem we have here that the left and MSNBC and the New York Times don't cherish the American citizen, sir? | ||
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That's exactly right. | |
| In fact, I was appalled that Michael Steele, of all people, because of everyone that I talked to this morning at MSNBC, even though I disagree with him now, I'd give him the most benefit of the doubt. | ||
| For prior service to this country, I was appalled that he accused us of using an anecdote, quote unquote, an anecdote. | ||
| to make a larger point. That anecdote is the human life of a 12-year-old girl in Houston. | ||
| That anecdote is that college-age young lady in Georgia. | ||
| That anecdote is now dozens, several dozens of American citizens who've been killed by | ||
| illegal aliens. | ||
| And the only way that you can begin to try to make sense of that position that Steele and others are | ||
| holding is that they simply don't weigh the importance of American citizenship. They really | ||
| don't care about citizenship. But more importantly, those of us who are middle-aged white Christian | ||
| conservatives definitely don't count, and we're not allowed to be making an argument like that. | ||
| Dr. Roberts, hang on for one second. | ||
| We'll take a short commercial break. | ||
| We have Dr. Kevin Roberts. | ||
| Jeff Clark is also going to join us to talk about the week ahead on the administrative state, these landmark decisions. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Batt. | |
| Dr. Roberts, I just want to make, before we lose you, is that to make sure that, because Project 2025 is, yes, it's one of many, and obviously you guys put in a lot of time into curate, not just policy positions, but also subject matter experts. | ||
| People could be on that 3,000. | ||
| Uh, political appointees and, or, you know, if we get rid of which I advocate the, the, uh, the 8 million contractors at executive administrative level and fill those with our people too, uh, we'll have millions of billets to fill. | ||
| But project 2025 is also the single best civics lessons we have out there. | ||
| If people just go online, if they go to the seminars, all of it doesn't mean that for those of you who say, Hey, I can't go join the administration now. | ||
| It's to actually learn about the administrative state and how to deconstruct it. | ||
| Where do people go? | ||
| Because I want to make sure this is a mass participation exercise, sir. | ||
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Project2025.org. | |
| Project2025.org. | ||
| And I just want to underscore what you just said, Steve. | ||
| Let's say someone is inspired to go participate in this, but they say, Steve, Kevin, I can't, as Kevin likes to say, tithe two or four years to go to D.C., but I want to be part of what I call the second American revolution, hopefully bloodless or no more blood than has been spilled by the left. | ||
| And what you can do is submit your application. | ||
| You can go through the training and what it will do is give you that civics foundation. | ||
| It'll let you know what's at stake and it will arm you with details. | ||
| It will arm you with information. | ||
| So whether you go into the administration in D.C. | ||
| or maybe you do something local like serving on a voluntary council in your town or your county or maybe your state. | ||
| What we're doing here is building not just for 2025, Steve, but for the next century in the United States. | ||
| And that's why MSNBC and that history professor have lost their ever-loving minds, because they've never seen the political right be this organized, this focused, this rational about taking power and actually using it appropriately, as the Constitution says. | ||
| Dr. Roberts, how did they get to that? | ||
| How did they get to Heritage for all the other stuff you're doing? | ||
| We're going to have Mike Howe on hopefully early next week on other projects that you guys are fighting non-stop. | ||
| And how did they get to your social media? | ||
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Well, once again, project 2025.org is the website of the day. | |
| But if you're interested in heritage more broadly, that's heritage.org. | ||
| You can follow us on XHeritage and Kevin Roberts TX. | ||
| Thank you so much, Steve. | ||
| And thank you immensely for your audience. | ||
| Let me tell you, we got a lot to do, but we're going to take back this country. | ||
| We're going to win. | ||
| Dr. Roberts, thank you so much. | ||
| Appreciate you. | ||
| Dr. Kevin Roberts, those are fighters, guys that go to Davos, go to World Economic Forum, stand on the stage and beat it back, right there in the lion's den. | ||
| And goes on MSNBC on Saturday morning, 5-on-1. | ||
| Those are the heroes. | ||
| This is the way you drive this revolution. | ||
| This is the way you drive this. | ||
| Another hero is Jeff Clark. | ||
| Of course, they're trying to, you know, take his law license away, bankrupt him, put him in prison. | ||
| But hey, just another day, just another day in MAGA. | ||
| Jeff, I got other stuff I want to ask you about Jack Smith and about the gag order, because they're prepping the battlefield for a multiple-year prison sentence for Trump. | ||
| I'm going to get to that at the top of the hour. | ||
| Right now, we're on the eve of Historic Week, sir, in the Supreme Court. | ||
| Five major administrative state cases, including Chevron deference. | ||
| We also have the Missouri. | ||
| We have Fisher, which I think is one of the biggest in American history, in immunity. | ||
| Walk us through the week ahead, sir. | ||
| Sure, Steve. | ||
| First, let me say that it's a great honor to follow President Kevin Roberts of Heritage. | ||
| And I gotta say that the meltdown on MSNBC was epic. | ||
| And to me, the funniest part of it was the wide shot showing Michael Steele just flipping through pages frantically, like, surely I'll be able to come up with something in here to refute Dr. Roberts. | ||
| But he's not up to that task. | ||
| It was amusing. | ||
| So look, we're looking at, you know, the end of the blockbuster October 2023 term in the next week, you know, week and a half. | ||
| And let me start with the Chevron cases, because one of the topics you talked to President Roberts about was, you know, the MSNBC meltdown about, you know, or CNN meltdown with that Ruth Ben-Ghiat about the Commerce Department being dismantled. | ||
| Well, actually, it turns out that these two big Chevron cases, they're called Relentless and Loper Bright, are about the Commerce Department. | ||
| And I think most people don't understand that the Commerce Department actually is largely an environmental agency. | ||
| And that's what's involved in these two cases, the parts of the Commerce Department that regulate fishing. | ||
| And the way I characterize these cases is that they're challenges by ordinary fishermen to having to pay for their own chains. | ||
| We have a situation where, you know, there are limits on catching the fish, right? | ||
| Because it's a limited natural resource. | ||
| But instead of the government sort of telling you that, you know, they're going to send you monitors so that they can try to monitor it, or they're going to send out monitors like physical people to check what you're catching. | ||
| They're telling you, you got to put the monitors on and you have to pay for them yourself. | ||
| And so, you know, these ordinary fishermen had enough and, you know, they brought the biggest administrative law set of cases in many years since the 80s when the Chevron Doctrine was adopted. | ||
| And what is the Chevron Doctrine? | ||
| It's at the heart of the administrative state because it says not only are courts supposed to defer to what agencies say their statutes mean when Congress specifically delegates that power to them, but if Congress just remains silent, the courts in Chevron have held that there's an implicit delegation to the agencies. | ||
| So imagine, there's nobody in Congress who oftentimes even voted for these delegations, yet the Supreme Court in this decision, which hopefully is going to get either reigned in or ended this coming week or so, they adopted this idea of you can infer massive government power inside this fourth branch of government based merely on silence. | ||
| It's truly a remarkable proposition and it's amazing that it's lasted this long. | ||
| What, about 40 years at this point? | ||
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So the Fisher case is also... Go ahead, Steve. | |
| Hang over a second, because I want to take these and I want to make sure we go through and do them justice. | ||
| Real quickly on the deference. | ||
| The deference defers to the agency, but it also defers to the agency for understanding versus the company, right? | ||
| I mean, it's almost anti... | ||
| I'm not saying capitalists, it's anti-free enterprise, because isn't the deference always to the regulatory power? | ||
| Is that how to understand it? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You know, if you're a private party and you're regulated, you don't get any deference in saying, well, look, I've had to deal with these regulations for years. | ||
| I've gotten pretty expert in them. | ||
| It's only the government in a one-way ratchet that gets to interpret them. | ||
| And look, it's gotten to the point under Democrat administrations where They don't even really look at the text of the statute, I'm convinced. | ||
| What they do is they adopt a policy they want, and then they backwards engineer it to say that they construed it out of the statute. | ||
| Jeff, hang on a second. | ||
| It's a 90-second break. | ||
| We've got a lot more to go through. | ||
| We're absolutely jammed today. | ||
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