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Episode 3702: Front Row Joes
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
unidentified
Because we're going medieval on these people.
steve bannon
President Trump got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
steve bannon
Friday, 21 June, Year of the Lord 2024.
Let me continue on with this.
And I want Grace and the team to knit it together without the break.
So it's a whole piece.
The way that we get to the sunlit uplands in the world is not to have the United States have this vast military apparatus and this vast state capitalism apparatus that's got its tentacles everywhere.
The framers of the Constitution, the revolutionary generation that came before them, that was the exact opposite of what they fought against and that was the exact opposite of what they believed.
And being very prescient warned us time and again, time and time again, that you don't want to do this.
When you talk about populist nationalism, the nationalism part is that it's like the Treaty of Westphalia.
We are a collection, the world is a collection of nation-states.
It is very imperative, and I think it's great, that young people and parents of young people throughout the world want to send to the United States to go to school and be educated and learn the blessings of liberty in this nation, this republic.
But that's not a get out of, that's not a exit the country and come to the United States.
No, we have to focus on American citizens.
And our citizens are just as smart as anybody on earth.
The schools have been turned into propaganda, you know, departments.
But these young kids are going to be okay.
I like the cut of the jib of a lot of these generations.
Here's what particularly I like.
Over the last couple of decades, the all-volunteer force has fought, pound for pound, as great as, you look at Fallujah and Second Fallujah, the Marine Corps Army, but the Marine Corps and the Army, as great as anything you saw in the South Pacific in World War II.
And remember, 80% of those guys in World War II were not volunteers.
They got drafted.
They got drafted.
These were 100% volunteers that went over and fought a very tough and very difficult war.
So these generations, they got the grit, they got the determination.
You just have to have a system that allows that to prosper.
We cannot just bring in the entire world, take their best and brightest and just layer it on top of the American people, then it's just too much intense competition.
It's unnecessary intense competition.
It's not that we don't like competition, but it's unnecessary competition.
It also should be axiomatic that if you want the world to get better, you don't take in all the best.
That's one of the problems of the British Empire.
You make sure it devolves back and they come here and they Learn to love America because of her liberty, because of her freedom and her openness and her vitality.
And we send that back to the world.
And guess what?
They're all, and hey, on graduation day, maybe you take a week with your buddies, but hey, the exit visa is right there stamped.
Time to move on.
To go back and make your nation great.
That's the way that we all move together.
It's quite clear.
And I understand, I'm not...
I understand the internal industrial logic of those entrepreneurs who are on the call.
And there's some really good guys.
David Saxon is one of the guys.
I disagree with him on a lot of stuff, but these people are directionally, their hearts are in the right place.
But we have to understand it's all not just about increasing margins.
What that conversation missed, and we have to put this in context.
One of the things we've been very hesitant about AI and unbridled AI, artificial intelligence, is the learn to code group.
Just talk to any tech worker right now.
The artificial intelligence is going to cut out a vast amount of jobs in the whole tech industry.
So the American tech worker has been under tremendous pressure from offshoring and all that to the degree we tried to bring it back.
It's now going to be under more immense pressure.
Remember the days, we used to do this at Breitbart all the time, we would interview the foreman down at, the head guy, the head man at Disney, and you know, they had to train, remember that, they had to train the 50 foreign workers that were taking their jobs.
And there's the last part of the gig.
Now it's going to be the artificial intelligence.
And so when you hear the term productivity, productivity, we played this yesterday about CNBC, about getting out of this massive two trillion dollars a year debt.
How are you going to grow your way out?
And the female analysts are saying, well, you're going to have productivity increases.
First off, it's nonsense.
You're not going to, you can't, the math just doesn't work.
But when she says that, And she said, well, you know, artificial intelligence hasn't been calculated here.
Artificial intelligence, when they talk about productivity, that means human beings who are now tech workers eliminated.
So everything has to be put in that context.
And it is great that President Trump is now attracting the vitality and the smarts of the tech industry.
But as populists and nationalists, we have to always be on guard.
It always has to be within the framework of what is in the best interest of the United States of America as a nation, and what is in the best interest of the American citizens.
The American citizens come first.
So, just spitballing here.
Just spitballing.
How about this?
A 50% cut in foreign students coming to American universities.
Yes, 50% cut and allow all of those billets go to American students.
Number two, an exit visa on the diploma.
And we support them every way we possibly can as they go back to their home country and make their country great again.
And we will work with them.
And this is how you have true alliances.
This is how you have those bonds of affinity.
It's actually a perfect system.
What you don't do is suck it all in here and then everything else deteriorates and we have to go back with money and troops and give capital that just gets misspent.
It doesn't work.
It's the human capital that is everything and we have to put American citizens, human capital has to be paramount.
You have to look at it through that prism.
If you don't, you're not going to have a nation.
You're not going to have a country.
And that's the difference in the way the globalists think and the difference in nationalists.
And that is a big gap.
And we have to be adamant.
We have to be on watch every day.
Honored to have a fellow naval officer join me.
You probably know him in a different context than I do, but I want to play his cold open.
A magnificent, and I mean magnificent, and I couldn't have a better lead-in.
Talk about American citizens.
You're about to see something quite special from a very special guy.
Let's go ahead and play it.
unidentified
From the backbone of the greatest political movement ever, the front row Joes, the foundation of the Trump faith.
Who are they?
You had to love the United States of America and you had to love Mr. Donald Trump and support Mr. Donald Trump's re-election.
And where do they go next?
For the first time ever, a behind-the-scenes look into the energy that's changing the world, with Stephen K. Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Donald J. Trump.
donald j trump
They're incredible people.
And the Front Row Joes are, you know, in a certain way, I guess they're very successful people.
unidentified
USA!
USA!
Friendships I've made over the years with the Front Row Joes, probably the best part of it.
Go to frontrowjoes.movie to experience the movement.
steve bannon
Sean, this, Sean Spicer now joins us.
And they've been, I mean, they're just like dead things.
Sean, this Sean Spicer now joins us.
Am I at Rear Admiral Spicer yet or are we still at Captain Spicer?
sean spicer
Unfortunately, still a commander and I don't think that's going to change, but you know,
steve bannon
No, it's going to change.
We'll put you over the Pentagon as Deputy Secretary of Defense.
Sean, tell me what inspired you to do this, and this is a magnificent piece.
Everybody's got to watch this because it sends chills down your spine.
How did you come up with the idea?
sean spicer
First of all, thank you, and thank you for being part of it.
Look, the bottom line is I was I was talking to some folks that you know well from the 2016 campaign about two years ago, and I said, I've been in politics almost 30 years.
I've never seen a movement like this.
You captured it in the movie when you said these guys are like deadheads.
They follow the folks around.
And sure enough, and we were talking, I said, if no one captures this, it's going to get lost to history.
And they said, well, why don't you do a documentary?
And so I was like, okay.
So I started following these front row Joes around, getting to know them, talking about their life, what makes them tick?
Why do they go to rally after rally after rally?
Who are their friends?
What are their families like?
We traveled with them to different rallies.
We went into their homes and then we sat down with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago, asked him about the movement.
We talked to you.
We actually even talked to Steve.
There's journalists in the movie.
And I said, tell me what you guys thought, because some journalists understood the historic nature of this movement.
And some, like the folks at NBC and the Washington Post, dismissed it.
But my feeling was this.
If we don't capture this and document this movement, the America First movement, the MAGA movement, it will die and no one will ever fully appreciate it because you know this better than anybody.
The media dismisses it.
They treat Trump supporters like zoo animals that deserve to be petted and looked at from afar.
And I know, and you know, how real these people are, how committed they are to the agenda.
And I wanted people to see him, so we made Front Row Joe's the movie, and you go to frontrowjoes.movie or salemnow.com and get it right now today.
steve bannon
I want everybody to see this film over the weekend.
It is going to send chills, it's going to reinforce what we fight for.
Tell me, what is, give the definition of a Front Row Joe.
What does the term mean and how is it developed in the film?
sean spicer
I think, like I said, you put it best when you described it by saying these are like deadheads.
They are people who go to rally after rally.
They'll go days in advance.
There's one scene in the documentary where it's pouring rain in Pennsylvania, and I'm not talking just the day of it.
It poured rain for days prior to it.
They put bags over their head.
They put their rain gear on and they were there for three, four days.
These are the super fans, the people who have been to 40, 50, 60, in some cases, 80 or 90 rallies.
They'll go to rally after rally.
They want to be in the front row.
They go to Mar-a-Lago.
And it's not just the rallies.
They'll go to any event where Trump is at to support him.
They'll stand on the sidewalks down there in Palm Beach just to wave flags to let President Trump know that he's got tremendous support.
They've been waving flags outside the courthouses.
These are the people, the backbone of the movement, the backbone of the support.
So no matter where he is, that's where they go.
steve bannon
What is it about President Trump and President Trump's message and his actions that attract, because when you watch his movie, this is a very diverse population.
What is it about him and his message and his actions that attracts these people?
sean spicer
I think number one, it's authentic, right?
That it's not just a sense of a talking point.
He says things and does things that makes it real.
You don't get the sense that he's reading off talking points.
You get the sense that he feels it.
He means it.
He identifies with them.
I mean, I always say, look, the guy's a builder.
He's owned restaurants, golf courses, real estate.
He understands how to talk to and communicate with people who are the backbone of our economy and our country.
And that makes him very different.
They sense the realness with him, that he's not just saying it, that he's going to do it.
You and I both saw that in the White House.
On issue after issue where he said, let's do the right thing.
Let's get it done.
Let's change stuff.
How many times was I told you can't just renegotiate NAFTA?
And he said, why not?
Let's do it.
You can't get out of the Paris Climate Treaty.
Why not?
Well, because we're told you can't do it.
Well, we're going to do it.
And you had up there that whiteboard in your office.
Check, check, check, done.
Politicians usually tell you something and then explain why they can't get it done.
Donald Trump did it.
Issue after issue after issue.
And I think that people see it and they sense a realness in them.
One of the front row Joes in the documentary, a guy named Rick Frazier, talks very passionately about how his daughter Kayleigh was lost to fentanyl.
And he believes that President Trump's commitment to securing the border matters and how Joe Biden leaving it open It's the opposite.
It's very personal to a lot of these folks.
It's not just like they find it fun.
They believe in the movement and they believe that he is fighting to make the country greater.
There's one woman who is one of the front row Joes who says, people think I'm obsessed with Donald Trump.
It's actually, I'm obsessed with this country and he wants to make it better.
They lose him as the vehicle to making the country better, stronger, and safer.
steve bannon
Amazing.
Commander Spicer, Sean, can you hang on?
I want to just hold you through the break.
I want to play the clip again, and I want to talk a little bit about how you made this.
This is a must-see.
Particularly, MAGA is Ascendant.
As you know, we're fighting every day, and some days are cloudy, right?
Overcast.
Other days are a little sunny, or better.
We're looking for the sunlit uplands.
But this will inspire you.
It's a particularly great weekend leading up to the debate and then leading up to President Trump's sentencing.
To understand really what this movement's about and who's in back of it.
Who are the foundational elements?
The foundational elements are not the Swells.
It's not the money.
It's not those guys in Silicon Valley.
It's the front row Joes.
Short break.
Commander Spicer on the other side.
unidentified
Best and brightest from the world.
I agree.
Can you please promise us you will give us more ability to import the best and brightest around the world?
From the backbone of the greatest political movement ever, the front row Joes, the foundation of the Trump faith.
Who are they?
You had to love the United States of America and you had to love Mr. Donald Trump and support Mr. Donald Trump's reelection.
And where do they go next?
For the first time ever, a behind-the-scenes look into the energy that's changing the world, with Stephen K. Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Donald J. Trump.
donald j trump
They're incredible people.
And the Front Row Joes are, you know, in a certain way, I guess they're very successful people.
unidentified
USA!
USA!
Friendships I've made over the years as a Front Row Joe, it's probably the best part of it.
Go to frontrowjoes.movie to experience the movement.
steve bannon
Okay, I have a recommendation.
When they talk about the best and brightest, let's start with the front row Joes and their progeny.
Sean Spicer, we're going to do this in the War Room.
For the guys who are on that Zoom call, and David Sachs, who's a really good guy, what I want to do, and I'll figure that out with you later, I want to do either special screening for them with you, or somehow we'll give them the movie.
I just, I would love to have David Sachs and that team, the Silicon Valley guys, to understand the Front Row Joes and understand the ethos of the Front Row Joes.
Because I just don't think they understand.
Isn't that the point?
sean spicer
Thank you.
Thank you, A, for everything you've done to support it, but also you're absolutely right.
This is the, this is the point.
They don't, no one wants us to understand them.
As I said, and I'm joking, but half serious, they want to treat it like Zoo Animal Steve In 2016, after that election that you and I were part of, the senior folks at NBC, and I'm talking the senior folks, the top two, three people there, sat down with myself and a couple other people and said, OK, we missed it.
Let's establish some pop up bureaus because we don't know who these people are.
We didn't see them in New York and L.A.
And I kept thinking to myself, because you didn't want to.
You didn't want to acknowledge who they are.
And they still to this day.
Don't want to acknowledge who these people are that are the backbone of the movement.
And you put it correctly earlier.
I mean, these are people who are hardworking Americans who work one, two, three jobs.
Uh, but they believe in a country that can be better and a vehicle in Donald Trump that can make that happen.
And I wanted people to look, even if you hate Trump, watch this movie and understand who these people are.
This people, politicians have had fans before, but never before.
Has somebody had something like this that has created a movement where they go from event to event supporting him?
And in the second part of the episode, we ask a very simple question that you responded to as well, which is, where does this movement go post-2028?
What is going to happen to it?
Is it going to fall to, you know, Don Jr.?
Is it going to fall to J.D.
Vance or Tom Cotton?
Or does it die and end with Donald Trump?
But there's a serious question for the movement about where it goes, but more importantly, What do we do between now and this coming election to understand who these people are that are out there doing the hard work to make sure that Trump returns to the White House?
steve bannon
Sean, where do they go for all your social media, your podcast, all your writings, everything, and the movie?
sean spicer
Easiest thing is SeanSpicer.com.
That has everything.
If you really want to check out the movie, you can, as you said, FrontRoadJoe's.movie is where it's at, but also SalemNow.com is where it's streaming right now.
Salem Now is the easiest way to get it.
You can watch it tonight.
Well, you can watch it anytime.
Two quick episodes and you will understand.
If you've never been to a Trump rally, we take you inside a Trump rally like you've never been before.
But yeah, SalemNow.com to start streaming it or SeanSpicer.com has it all as well.
steve bannon
Sean, this was magnificent.
It's just, when you first told me, I said, man, this thing should have been done years ago, but it's brilliant you did it now, and you're releasing now.
We look forward to watching it, having all our posse pile into it, and then having you back on and answer questions, and maybe get some front row joes we can get on here and interview next week.
We'd love to do that.
sean spicer
We'll make that happen.
Thank you for your constant support.
It's greatly appreciated, and thanks to everyone who's going out there.
Uh, to watch the movie and support President Trump's effort and understand it.
And by the way, one quick thing on the Salem Now thing.
There's a button at the top right.
If you think someone, maybe the journalist in your life, maybe you're related to someone at CNN, you can gift it to them.
You can go to it and gift it to them so that that crazy uncle that always goes, who are these crazy people?
You can gift it to them.
steve bannon
No, no, no.
The one I want for this audience, here's what I think, what I recommend as top priority.
Those people in your life, That don't understand why you like Trump.
And don't get it.
And you think he's a misogynist, a fascist, everything.
Prioritize those people that hate him the most, don't get him the most, are in your face the most, and people that you're close to.
Send him this movie because this movie shows what it is to inspire.
These are the best people in the country.
The front row jurors are the backbone of the country.
It's the deplorables.
They're the backbone.
The backbone of this country, the Deplorables, are inspired by a guy.
And it's a study in what inspires them about this person.
That's why you gotta give it to the haters.
Give it to the haters.
Give it to the people in your life that just don't get why you support Trump, or why you like Trump, or why you love Trump.
Show them this film.
Because he's inspired the Deplorables.
He's inspired Silicon Valley, the best among us.
Sean Spicer, thank you sir.
Great work and we look forward to supporting it.
sean spicer
Yeah, thanks man.
Appreciate it.
unidentified
Thanks.
steve bannon
Um, the one and only Jeff Clark.
MSNBC.
This one I gotta do Chris Hayes.
Jeff Clark joins us.
Hey, Chris, because we appreciate your show.
We do.
We appreciate you.
This, you know, Clark's on the short list, either AG, Attorney General or White House counsel.
So, Jeff Clark, thank you for stepping in today.
Can you give me a summary of what happened in the Supreme Court?
We've got people deployed all around, but we haven't been able to get, you know, Julie Kelly's focus on South Florida today, the Supreme Court, a big day at the court.
The Fisher case was not dropped, and the immunity case is not dropped, so I assume they're going to be dropped Friday, the latest Friday of next week.
unidentified
So tell me about what happened today.
jeffrey clark
Sure, Steve, and thanks for having me on.
Look, none of the blockbusters issued today, as you indicated, but still there's some pretty big decisions.
So we have Two criminal cases and one immigration case.
Let me start with the immigration case before we talk about the criminal cases.
The immigration case is one where there's a woman who's a U.S.
citizen and then she marries someone who is a citizen of El Salvador and turns out is, you know, likely to be a member of MS-13.
And as a result, a consular officer outside of the United States denies The ability for the two of them to come and live in the United States, and then the woman who's the U.S.
citizen sues and says, I have a fundamental liberty interest to live with my husband in the United States.
And while it's true that she has a fundamental liberty interest to get married, but for the two of them to live in the United States, that's the problem, that they don't have a fundamental liberty interest in that.
And the Supreme Court ruled six to three that there was no such fundamental liberty interest and that basically the decision of the consular officer not to admit them has historically never been subject to judicial review with just a narrow exception that wasn't applicable.
So that's that case.
It's called Munoz.
steve bannon
What about this one on the 8 to 1 with about the domestic abuse, particularly with Justice Thomas being the lone dissenter?
Walk me through this.
jeffrey clark
So that case is called United States v. Rahimi, and in Rahimi, this is one of the criminal cases I mentioned, there's a guy who is stalking his ex-girlfriend, and the facts actually seem pretty egregious about that.
And he enters into a civil restraining order to keep him away from the girlfriend.
And then there's a federal statute that provides that if you're subject to a restraining order and you have a firearm, that you've violated a very serious U.S.
criminal law provision.
And so as long as a restraining order exists against you, you can't have a firearm.
So it's said to be a temporary restriction.
The Supreme Court upheld that restriction by an 8-1 vote.
Now, Mr. Rahimi challenged this provision of federal law on the grounds of the fact that it was facially unconstitutional, and it's very difficult to win facial constitutional challenges.
In other words, he has to prove that this statute barring the possession of weapons, firearms, while you are under a restraining order, is unconstitutional in all of its applications.
That's pursuant to a general Supreme Court case called Salerno.
So if there's even one circumstance in which it would not be unconstitutional to apply that restriction in that criminal law, then the statute is not facially unconstitutional.
It might be unconstitutional as applied, but it's not facially unconstitutional.
And Gorsuch focused on this issue in a concurrence that he wrote.
And the problem for Mr. Rahimi, and probably the reason why his lawyers made the strategic
choice to argue that the statute was facially unconstitutional, was because the facts as
to Mr. Rahimi are pretty bad.
So that leaves us with Clarence Thomas, who was the sole dissent in this case.
And Clarence Thomas would have held pursuant to applying a decision that he was the author
of several years ago that involved New York gun laws about being able to carry concealed
weapons around outside the home, a case called Bruhn, B-R-U-E-N, that the majority was misapplying
the Bruhn decision, and that because there was no historic analog of, you know, at the
time the Second Amendment was ratified.
To allow the restriction of gun ownership by someone under a restraining order.
unidentified
It should have been constitutional.
steve bannon
But let me ask you, for an idiot like myself, does this mean, is this reinforcing the red flag law?
I mean, does this have greater application than to this individual?
I mean, the interpretation of this is, does this mean the red flag law, some of these things that people have questioned, are now got the support, 8 to 1, of the Supreme Court?
jeffrey clark
Sure, Steve.
So on that question, right, I think there are a couple of elements.
One is the left is already celebrating it as foreordaining that red flag laws will be constitutional based on the approach in this case.
And the general principle that's at issue there, I guess I'll pick up after the break.
steve bannon
Yeah, pick up after the break.
We've trained Clark.
When the music comes up, it's very hard.
His contributors want to get all over it.
Jeff Clark, Red Flag Law, 8-1.
The Thomas Court, only Justice Thomas in dissent.
Short break.
Philip Patrick also going to do some capital markets next in the War Room.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
steve bannon
Okay, Jeff Clark, you know, we've got a couple of starters on the team.
You know, Gorsuch, Alito, Kavanaugh, most of the time.
I noticed that they were in the eight.
I'm a simple guy, particularly when it comes to the Supreme Court, all the stuff you guys work on all the time.
I'm a simple guy.
Shouldn't Rachel Maddow and Joanne Reed and Chris Hayes and that crowd be high-fiving right now?
Doesn't this essentially reinforce The red flag laws and they did it in a definitive way that only Justice Thomas defending his previous decision or opinion is the lone wolf here, sir.
jeffrey clark
Steve, I don't think so.
They're definitely going to celebrate it, and they are already for that reason.
But the problem is, look, the facts were bad in this case.
Whoever made the strategic choice to make this kind of the poster child for the idea that, you know, you can't be sent to prison for 15 years.
steve bannon
But hang on, why did the court take it on then?
Why did the court take it on?
jeffrey clark
Because, you know, you only need four votes to get cert.
So you get the three liberals and you just get one justice who's looking at the facts, right, who may not be what you're calling some of the starters.
And now you have cert and now the Supreme Court has to decide it.
So I think Clarence Thomas sees that this could be the camel's nose under the tent.
And this will be used to restrict all kinds of gun rights on other bases, so he wants to draw a firm line.
The other justices are focused on the facts, I think, and they're saying, look, this looks like a bad guy.
steve bannon
But should we surmise that they're going to be flooded with all kinds of now suits and different things about these red flag laws?
Should we anticipate a tsunami of that?
jeffrey clark
Yeah, so what we have at this point, Steve, is we have this case, Rahimi, which is going to be, you know, a high watermark of regulating, and then gun rights.
And at the other end, we have the Bruin decision that Justice Thomas wrote.
And, you know, majority of the courts sound on to both of these.
And the issue in all these cases going on in the future is, do they hew to Bruin, which protects Second Amendment rights, or do they tack closer to this new Rahimi decision?
That's going to be the fight in these future cases.
steve bannon
Okay, I'm gonna get you on either tomorrow if you're free or maybe Monday, but next week will be, correct me if I'm wrong, one of the most monumental weeks for opinions in the Supreme Court.
You've got five major administrative state, including Chevron deference, the Mac Daddy of all of it.
You've got the Fisher, which I think is going to be I think it's going to be like Dred Scott.
I think this could be so, if it goes the way that we feel it could go, this could blow a hole.
You could have the whole federal judiciary.
I mean, this could cause a scandal of the utmost importance.
And then you got immunity, right?
So just give me a minute on how big next week is from your perspective.
jeffrey clark
Sure, Steve.
It's absolutely huge.
But look, let me also say that today, that second Supreme Court criminal case I mentioned, Erlinger, Has good stuff in it for Donald Trump and for the J6ers.
It holds that you have to have unanimous jury verdicts and that you can't have sentencing enhancements that are not, you know, found by the jury.
So the latter helps the J6ers because you have judges who want to throw sentencing enhancements at them.
And the former helps Donald Trump because you don't have jury unanimity in the Manhattan verdict against him.
So even that was, you know, big, it's like a rising crescendo.
But the big administrative law case of whether Chevron deference is going to continue or whether it's going to be put into its grave or restricted, that's coming next week.
The Fisher case for the January Sixers in terms of this made up obstruction of an official proceeding being thrown at the January Sixers, that's coming up.
And of course, you know, I think for us in terms of the impacts on the election, the biggest of the decisions, whether Donald Trump has some form of immunity against Jack Smith and his trumped-up charges against President Trump.
steve bannon
Jeff, where can people follow you before we get you back on, sir, between the time now and then?
jeffrey clark
Sure.
So on Getter and Twitter, I am JeffClarkUS.
On True Social, I am RealJeffClark.
And we are the Center for Renewing America, AmericaRenewing.com, Steve.
steve bannon
Brother, thank you so much.
Appreciate you.
Love it.
jeffrey clark
Thanks a lot.
steve bannon
Philip Patrick.
I got Philip.
It's my it's my email.
I got Philip Patrick during a workday.
Philip Hatcher, we know you're inundated over at Birchgold.
Go to birchgold.com slash bandit, end of the dollar empire, you get access to Philip, all the analysis, his team, everything.
I had to get you on this week because of the monumental, this was a called shot by the Birchgold team, War Room, all of us working, Brad, everybody, a couple of years ago about the two trillion dollar deficits.
I just want you to put it in perspective.
Tell me, Where is this thing going when you look at it analytically and you're seeing today, you know, Mike Benz has a big piece on the Saudis getting out of the petrodollar.
There's things happening all over.
Make it make sense to us, sir.
phillip patrick
Yeah, look, we've been talking about this for a long time, as you say, and the mainstream are now catching on.
CBO corrected its government deficit forecast for the year.
It's now up to $2 trillion from, of course, a paltry $1.6 trillion.
Now, it's bad enough that Congress suspended the debt ceiling and made themselves responsible for reigning in the Biden regime's sort of budget blowout, But now they've let him get away with $2 trillion plus deficits four years in a row.
Now, this whole time, the White House has been talking up its fiscal responsibility.
Remember, back in March, Biden was telling us how he was going to reduce the debt and grow the economy from the bottom up and the middle out, not the top down, and how all of this new spending was of course paid for. So the question is what happened to
all of that goodwill? Well in Biden's case it was 95 billion dollars in foreign aid package to
Ukraine, student loan relief for 145 billion, underestimating Medicaid payments for 50 billion,
75 billion for the FDIC insurance fund.
But the biggest and least surprising miscalculation of all, interest payments on the national debt.
The CBO director Philip Swagle came out and described those payments, and I quote, as large by historical standards, which begs the question, what other standards are we supposed to judge it by?
I mean, it's just ridiculous.
Now, they predicted that the budget gap is going to get to $24 trillion over the next 10 years, up
$2.5 trillion from a previous estimate just three months ago. Now, we got to stress the point,
this isn't total debt. This is just annual deficits. They think in 10 years, US national debt
will be $1.5 trillion.
national debt's going to reach $57 trillion.
Now, hilariously, they're also forecasting the average interest payments that we're going to pay on this debt will be at 3.5%.
Steve, if we pay an average 3.5% interest on this debt over the next 10 years, you can send me your biggest hat and I will eat it live on air.
It's just never going to happen.
You can hold me to that.
Another thing we learn, and this sort of sums it up, right?
The federal government has net financial assets of $2.2 trillion, annual income of $4.4 trillion.
So Washington now thinks it's business as usual to spend 50% more than we collect every single year until we have a negative net worth of $55 trillion.
It is insanity.
It is almost impossible.
To wrap one's head around it.
We've been talking about the Saudis running from the petrodollar agreement, the world running away from the US dollar.
Why would anyone take an IOU from somebody who owes 25 times more than their net worth?
It's just not how borrowing works.
And this is the baseline projection.
This is if nothing bad happens, this is our best case scenario, and this is the position that this administration has put us in.
And the whole time we've been gaslit and lied to, and now it's mainstream.
It's a joke, Steve, and we've been saying it for a long time.
steve bannon
There's a sickness here.
There's a sickness here.
Because this number, the 2 trillion that we called, we said this is not going to be 2 trillion.
It's going to be far north of that.
Because you can see they don't count really the cost of the illegal alien invasion.
They're still lying about the interest charges here.
You look at the gross interest, that's going to go up.
They're still financing this like a third world country now.
Basically on our credit card, 90 day T-bills instead of going out to 10s and 30s.
Because she doesn't want to push that up.
You're financing this like...
They've gone from not serious people to dangerous people.
The financial overlords are now, it's not the debt.
Let me say this, let me say it a different way, Patrick, get your response.
Scott Besson was on here the other day, he said the deficits and the debt have now become, he believes, the most significant national security issue we have in the United States.
I say it's the people making decisions and pushing this.
They're a national security threat because this is insanity.
The rational actors here, the rational actors are some of our biggest enemies in the Global South BRICS nations.
Like I said, hey, their best embrace went to Sloan and went back and worked for a central bank, have an HP 12C, have done the net present value and the discounted cash flow, and they said, hey, the purchasing power of the dollar is going to drop 50%, right?
So why are we taking IOUs from guys that are not serious about doing anything about it?
Is that essentially the summary of where we are, that this is not just uncharted?
This is not uncharted territory.
It's uncharted where we have the pedal right to the metal, sir.
phillip patrick
Yeah, it's exactly that.
And listen, for us here in the West, a world run by China is a frightening proposition.
We've said it before and I'll say it again, but the reality is all we're doing is playing into their hands.
And if we're looking at this, Impartially, if I'm China, I'm making the same decisions.
It doesn't make sense.
I'm going to restate the point that I said a moment ago.
Why would you ever take an IOU from somebody that is so indebted?
It doesn't make any rational sense.
And every decision that this administration is making is playing directly into the hands of our enemies.
So you are correct.
The most dangerous people today are the administration and they are driving us off a cliff.
I've said before, I'm worried we're at the point of no return already another four years and it is a guarantee.
It is a guarantee that this game is up.
So we need to make changes and we got to do it now.
But the way this is going, we're at the point of no return.
I don't see a soft landing anywhere on our horizon.
steve bannon
Before I get after the break, I'm going to keep you for a couple minutes because I want to ask you about how people put this into their own life.
Because I'm not a gold bugger.
I was never a gold bugger.
I've been forced there to say, man, you need to hedge this.
And the only hedge that looks like it's out there has been precious metals, right?
It's got a history of it.
But when you see right now, when you see the converging forces, because you're not having any change ...to the legislature.
The fiscal madness is still there and the monetary backup to the madness is still there.
What is it going to take a drop in purchasing powers of these fiat currencies to get people's attention, Philip?
phillip patrick
I mean, we haven't got their attention up until this point.
US dollars held by central governments being at 26-year lows.
That should have been a catalyst.
Look at the economy.
Look at the American people.
They are struggling.
House prices up 40%.
Food prices up 25%.
If this wasn't an alarm bell for this administration, I don't know what is.
The only thing I think will be a dramatic change in the polls that will lead to some action, because nothing else seems to be driving these people.
All they seem to care about is re-election.
How can you rationalize $145 billion to pay down student loans when you are the most indebted nation in history.
You are desperately attempting to buy votes no matter the cost.
So the answer is if they haven't realized it already, I don't know what is going to shake these guys outside of shaking them out of office.
It's the only chance we have.
steve bannon
Phillip, can you hang around for a minute?
I know you're busy, but I want to keep you through the break.
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back with philip patrick in a moment uh... philip
steve bannon
let me say this i i i i i i I would love backup, but you don't have to, but just looking at the math, I think we can say pretty assuredly that the purchasing power of the United States dollar is going to continue to decline.
Would you agree with that proposition?
phillip patrick
I would agree with that vehemently, yes.
steve bannon
And there's nothing as sure as the turning of the earth, correct?
phillip patrick
Correct, yes.
There is no other alternative given the position we put ourselves in.
steve bannon
No, and I'm saying this, and folks got to understand now, please, that there's no easy decisions to make on this one.
This is so far gone now and our sociopathic overlords are driving us farther into this.
Trump's the last shot you got for any kind of supply side Solution to this at all.
So given that as a proposition that if you just don't and it's if you know saying if you just look at the math and what they are doing and the built-up structural things of the debt how they're financing is not just the fiscal madness of the spending.
It's now coupled with how they finance it short-term essentially on a credit card.
Okay, and this is why your credit card is at 29% APR, and why one out of every seven kids under 29 is tapped out, why there's 10% of the credit cards are no longer functioning, they've been pulled because you're tapped out.
Philip, given that, I want people to go, and particularly people who have never been gold bugs, and never even considered gold, I think you need to immerse yourself right now in information.
Philip, how can people do that?
I just want to, I want a gateway so that later on, Later on, when you're looking around and you say, man, I wish I'd done it.
We have done our utmost to put you in touch with people that can just walk you through what the reality check is here, sir.
phillip patrick
It's very simple to get the information for your viewers birchgold.com forward slash Bannon that's going to get them access to a free information guide to the to the reports on the end of the dollar empire that you wrote and a lot of good information on how and why to invest in precious metals today and you know you said You weren't a gold bargain.
I was a banker for a lot of my career.
You know, I would never if I'd known the percentage that I had in precious metals of my own portfolio today as a banker back then I would have fallen off my chair.
I would have never been able to predict it.
But I would never been able to predict the situation of the United States today and the problems that we have today.
And I think for where we are, precious metals are the best way to hedge your exposure.
And it's the reason that central banks around the world are buying gold for the last two and a quarter years at record levels.
And, you know, we talk about very high level concepts.
We talk about debt.
We talk about de-dollarization.
But at the end of the day, What's happening on a global scale, we're feeling as individuals.
We're feeling it in the form of inflation, a loss of purchasing power.
And as you say, it's sort of the middle class that are getting squeezed.
We're paying higher prices, and we're having to take out credit to do it.
And the cost of that credit is increasing.
And Brezhnev's medals are a way to hedge.
In the same time period that this administration has driven the value of the dollar down 17%, gold's up over 25.
It is the best hedge in this climate.
steve bannon
That's the spread.
That's what we talk about at Hedge.
That's the spread.
That's the way you got to look at it.
And no offense, I haven't seen anything that doesn't show that the madness is not going to continue.
And now it's also the stats they're lying to.
They talk about us being... We're not anti-institution.
The institutions have to be rejuvenated.
You cannot continue to give American people false information.
And you don't need to go to Harvard Business School to understand this.
The lived experience of the working class and middle class and those kids under 29, you know it, you feel it, you can understand it.
That's your lived experience.
You don't need all this macroeconomics.
That's it.
We try to explain how it's happened and what's going to be in the future and it's only going to get worse.
Birchgold.com slash Bannon, end of the dollar empire, please.
We got to start working on the sixth installment because their solution, part of the solution is a crypto, is a central bank digital currency.
We can never allow that to happen.
That would be the end of, that would be the end of all of us.
But, and also to get to you, where do they get to your charts and how they get access to you when they get over to the site?
phillip patrick
Yeah, it's really simple.
So, again, birchgold.com forward slash Bannon.
That's for information on precious metals.
They can reach me directly on Getter.
It's at Philip Patrick on Getter.
Again, at Philip Patrick on Getter.
steve bannon
Philip Patrick, thank you so much.
Honored to have you on here, sir.
phillip patrick
Thank you, Steve.
Honor's mine, as always.
steve bannon
Okay, we've gone through a lot today.
There's a lot out there.
There's so many things that are happening.
The 5 o'clock show is going to be on fire.
At 6 o'clock, I'm going to have, for the first time, Colonel McGregor on here.
I've got to get a geopolitical and national security breakdown from one of the smartest guys out there.
He's going to join us.
Also, Ben's going to be on from Rome.
There's just so much going on this afternoon.
You've got to be back 5 to 7.
Tomorrow morning's show is also intense.
I'm trying to get Cash in studio.
Juggling a lot of balls.
A lot of great things happening.
Mike Lindell now joins us.
And I need an update on the Robin Voss, the bait-and-switch, because folks, look, they're never just going to sit there and go, okay, you play by the rules, this is where they go.
The apparatus, the first thought of the apparatus is to protect.
They're still slow playing it, Steve.
and then give me a give me a deal of the day, sir.
mike lindell
There's still a slow plan, Steve. They said they're gonna give us an answer
this coming Thursday, the 27th, I believe. But what it did effectively is it
We could have started the recall election, which would have been in early July.
Now it'll actually be the first week in August, the way it looks.
But anything can happen with this WEC.
They don't follow the Constitution.
They just do what they want.
But we're working on stuff all over the place.
I wanted to quick tell you I'm on the way to Oregon.
We're going to be launching a new project there called the Voter Identity Protection Project.
and I'll have a big report on that either later today or tomorrow morning
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