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June 20, 2024 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 3699: Reforming Our Institutions
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies.
Because we're going medieval on these people.
You're not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
unidentified
MAGA Media.
jake tapper
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
unidentified
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
steve bannon
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb.
steve bannon
It's Thursday, 20 June in the year of our Lord.
We started the show off with two of the heavyweights.
We had Matt Boyle from Breitbart National Political Editor, and we had The Gateway Pundit is here.
And I've got two heavyweights here, and as soon as one of my heavyweights... Okay, I got Paul Danz in studio, Project 2025, also Lawfare.
Paul's going to be in this segment, but I've got to finish with, thank you for coming by, Paul.
I love it when you come by.
My pleasure.
The audience loves it.
Okay, we got all the mics on now?
We're having mic issues today.
Scott Besson, the test of whether somebody really knows something is to take a very complicated issue and to break it down very simply.
Your last 60 seconds in that break was the smartest explanation of the three card money that this regime is
running with Janet Yellen, who I think now has proven herself to be actually dumber and more
radical than she was coming out of college when I think she was a mouse.
Because this is the way the Chinese Communist Party would finance something, to hide it
from the people.
Just go back.
So you have, you're adding a trillion dollars every hundred days.
You got 35 trillion.
I hate the way they say public debt versus all debt, but you've got this, the gross interest, not the net, the gross interest already over a trillion.
You've made the case, and people know that you're very close to the president talking about financial matters, that this is now, you believe, And you're, I would call, a hawk.
Like, you come from South Carolina, so you're like us in Virginia and South Carolina.
You're a hawk.
You say that you believe this may be the most important national security issue facing the American people.
But explain why it's even worse than we can imagine.
Because of the way they're financing the problem that they created, sir.
Right.
unidentified
And Steve, I'm going to correct you.
You said this is a malice Chinese style.
You know, this is a Peronist Argentine.
I think I'm starting to look like it, but I've been doing this for 30 or 40 years now and every emerging market that I've ever seen get into trouble does what Janet Yellen is now doing.
You go into an election cycle, the incumbent is behind.
They start, they engineer a boom in house prices and stock prices, and so you engineer an asset boom, you finance the asset boom with borrowing, And then as you get closer to the election, you switch the borrowing to short-term borrowing.
This is not the stuff the United States of America should do.
This is Argentina, Turkey, Venezuela style.
And as I said before, what she has done is she is paying down low-cost mortgage debt But you know, she's also increasing new debt, and she's worried that the market will not give her any more mortgage debt.
So she's now, you know, on her spending Lollapalooza, having to finance it with short term 90 day debt, which is the most unstable.
And this is going to be a mess is we have the probably a debt ceiling coming up in 2025.
Scott, one last thing, just real quickly for Nomenclature, because people now think that the audience loves this.
steve bannon
I want to just give you, there are two kind of opposite ends.
You have been warning And President Trump, remember, the golden year of 2019, 2018-2019, when we had low inflation, low interest rates, blue-collar salaries growing faster than white-collar, non-college graduates' salaries growing higher than college graduates, kind of the perfect mega-economics.
You have warned that because of the Biden regime's economics, fiscal plan, but also their radical monetary, the way they finance this, just the economics and the finance, that we are towards the end of really what started with President Reagan, really a supply side solution.
So I wanted, can you compare and contrast modern monetary theory Which is infected this town, the political class, but particularly coming from the lords of easy money on Wall Street, versus what a supply site is and why you fear that we may be, if, first of all, if President Trump's not elected, you'll never see it again, but even with President Trump being elected, it's going to be a Herculean task to get a supply site solution for this, sir.
unidentified
Right.
So Steve, you know, I'm not an economist.
I'm an economic historian.
And what I have observed is the rubber has now met the road on the spending.
So we are stretching the debt deficits.
The savings glut in the world is going away.
The global south, the Chinese, the Russians, don't want our debt anymore, and we would have to put in some proper spending.
So lo and behold, there's a new theory called modern monetary theory.
It is neither modern nor monetary nor a theory.
This has been around forever.
As you mentioned, the French thought it up and probably the reason they had to sell us Louisiana.
It's not monetary.
It is fiscal because it is all contingent on government spending that is financed by the central bank.
And like I said, it is not a theory because it has been practiced.
And on the supply side, the idea is that you grow your way out of it.
And you have a private solution, not government spending.
The government spending, what we're seeing now, if the CHIPS Act is so great and Intel is getting all these subsidies, why is the stock at a new low?
That's all you need to know.
So they've just run out, they've run out of road with fiat currency, which was, we had Bretton Woods and we went off the gold standard and that kept us going for about 50 years.
Now we're at the end of the road and we got to create, you know, this new bit of sophistry called modern monetary theory.
And the core of modern monetary theory is when inflation gets high, Congress will stop spending.
Can you imagine the, like, the politicians stop spending?
Why do we have a central bank?
But it all goes back to, you know, in my mind, the recent failure of central banking, since the Great Financial Crisis, we have let these people become the central planners.
Yeah, that highly educated vision of the anointed style central planners.
And the central planning comes from setting the price of money, not from, you know, like some gigantic Soviet style plan.
It's, you know, we are planning around, here's the price of money, we're going to buy bonds, and then we're going to hand it to the government.
steve bannon
Hey, I know you've got to bounce.
I'm going to come back.
I want to get into this situation with the Biden bonds and the Biden inflation that have blown a hole through this agriculture bank in Japan, what that means for us.
Also, one last thing.
Supply side also means you guys and what you do and will do, you focus on the production and production capacity.
It's a production side solution, not a consumption side solution.
unidentified
Correct?
The key to supply-side is high after-tax returns on investment.
That's why it's dependent on the private sector.
What we are seeing right now is the Green New Deal And government spending, whether it's to the bloated states or forgiving student loan debt, that is crowding out both households who want to make productive or spending decisions, but most of all, it's crowding out business.
The success of the Trump tax cuts was from business investment.
It gave people the competence.
And, you know, Steve, I will finish with whenever I talk to industrialists, They will tell me the tax cuts were important.
And you know, like everybody likes making money and having high after tax returns.
They said the other thing about the Trump administration, very different from the Obama administration was regulatory certainty.
You had to know if you're going to build a pipeline, if you're going to build a chemical plant, if you're going to build a real estate development, you have to know that the rules are the rules and that some executive order will not change them.
I've coined a new phrase.
In monetary policy, they talk about forward guidance on interest rates.
What will be different under a Trump administration is a Trump administration will give forward guidance on competence and confidence.
steve bannon
Wow.
Fantastic.
Scott, how do people get you?
You've got a lot of writings out there now, a lot of interviews.
unidentified
Where do they go for it?
scott bessent
Our central firm email is ir at keysq.com.
unidentified
And anybody who writes in, I will answer.
steve bannon
Scott Besson, thank you very much.
We give you access to Philip Patrick and Bert Schoen.
We give you access to Scott Besson, one of the smartest guys around.
Thanks for the explanation, sir.
unidentified
OK.
steve bannon
Appreciate you.
Just a kid, just a blue-collar kid from South Carolina.
Some of those Gamecocks turned out pretty well.
Paul Danz.
I got a cold open.
Paul Danz, let's hold the Project 2025.
Man, they're all worked up over that.
Lawfare.
We have the Supreme Court is going to have 21 Decision I think a couple decisions came out today, but there's tons of these administrative state others, but we had Gateway punted on this morning the Justice Department is involved in Their bankruptcy they're trying to put them out of business.
Give us your pull it back.
Let's pull a camera back for a second What is going on here?
Because President Trump's on a roll now.
Talk about the weaponization.
He's putting it up on Truth Every Day.
Walk me through your perspective of how the Biden regime, and particularly Garland at DOJ, has weaponized the legal system in this country.
paul dans
Sure, great to be with you, Scott.
Steve, and great to hear Scott there.
You know, the attacks on President Trump and some of even the attacks on Project 2025 are all of the same kind.
It's essentially, you know, they trot out the dictator authoritarian.
But in reality, it's all projection.
We are actually living now when we have an authoritarian resident in the White House in the name of Biden.
And what an authoritarian generally does is, you know, as Scott was saying, his first model of the economy, you know, the first two purposeful things that Biden did was electively spend and touch off inflation, really, and then start war.
Like within two months, he did a pivot on Ukraine.
And then he brought in the dictatorial tactics that followed.
Those in the main have been through lawfare and a perversion of this Department of Justice under him.
So there we have, you know, this again maps what you might see in a third world country where you have the leading candidate for president on the threshold of being imprisoned.
In the middle of a presidential race.
And quite frankly, you wouldn't raise it because you're too modest, but we also have the leading dissident journalist here, and probably the number one issue that the posse is thinking about, other than Trump, is threatened to also be thrown in the clink.
So, I mean, this is part and parcel.
steve bannon
But this is how third world countries roll.
paul dans
Absolutely.
steve bannon
They take the leading political figure, they take his crew around him.
Particularly the media and any advisors he has, and they try to throw them right before an election.
I mean, it's pretty banana-republic cookie cutter.
paul dans
It's true.
Now, we know that.
We see what's going down, but now it's time for us to act.
And I think that's what the real call to action has to be.
And I know you're not going to do it, but here again, in your particular case, I'd submit you're the leading journalist on our side.
Please, I would never call myself a journalist.
Well, I mean, I respect you.
steve bannon
We have a platform.
paul dans
You're a news gatherer.
But, you know, the point is that journalists are protected here in D.C.
People might not know there's a journalist shield statute, as there are many states.
Those apply generally to courts.
But there again...
You know, in that particular case in D.C., Congress ratified that statute.
So Congress here is using its mechanism to persecute you through the court system at the workings of the Department of Justice.
But at the end of the day, they're taking a major news disseminator offline in the run-up to an election.
steve bannon
We had, we had, we had, uh, we're gonna, let's go to break.
We got a short commercial break.
Paul Dan's with us.
He's in house.
Later, we are going to go to London, uh, to, with, uh, with Raheem and, uh, Ben Berquam.
Announcement, Boebert at five o'clock.
Uh, uh, brother Bob Goodes also going to join us at five thirty.
We're packed throughout the day today.
Paul Dan's in the house.
unidentified
Would Donald Trump's second term really entail?
There are Republican allies, Trump minimizers, who argue that for all the bluster, the second term will not really end democracy as we know it.
We've heard that, and that's a common refrain on Wall Street, where they have their own economic reasons to look at it that way.
But people who've actually served in Trump's White House, vowing something very different.
A two-front war.
Dismantle what they call the administrative state, and prosecute Trump's perceived enemies in what they call the deep state.
steve bannon
Oh by the way, we're also going to have teams because we can multitask to deconstruct the administrative state and to go after criminals and the traitors in the deep state.
unidentified
There you have it.
And that's not an obscure individual.
Steve Bannon was in the White House for Trump.
Now some Democrats think that right now Bannon is helping them.
And they are leaning in and really trying to get attention and scrutiny on a written MAGA plan that should scare voters, they say.
You've probably heard about this so-called Project 2025, which tried to grant Trump larger powers, dismantle government programs, which Bannon just referenced there, and limit the reproductive rights of women around the country.
One Democratic senator seizing on the plan to mobilize voters.
Republicans intend to ban abortion nationwide.
And it's not just me saying that.
Because they have made their plan public.
For all the world to see, plain as day, it's called Project 2025.
They don't even need Congress to pass bills for most of it.
They will try to do this with just Donald Trump in the White House wielding the power of the presidency.
This is a choice.
It does not have to be resolved through anger or violence or soundbites or cheap fake videos.
It can be resolved through actually looking at the plans and the stated intentions of the people running and decide, for the public, which you prefer.
steve bannon
I've got my presidential transition mug right here, Project 2020.
It's a big ol' mug, I love it.
This is the book, and of course, this is just one of many.
You got CREs doing a plan, other people, everybody's working together.
Remember in 16, we couldn't fill the 3,000 Billets we have that are political appointees to oversee
the 2.25 federal bureaucrats now And what's upset people is that and this is you know
president Trump's gonna have his own formal transition process as he will
Somebody will head it up, but this is all you got to do the work
You got to do the pick-and-shovel work beforehand, and this is what's got the left so
Upset and we are deconstructing the administrative state you just heard
Scott say what what the executives and industrialist wanted is a certainty on regulatory certainty
Just tell me what it is that the administrative states more than regulations taking apart
The administrative state is this vast fourth branch of government, and it's really even infected the cabinet level
to Basically deconstruct that take that apart brick by brick
and get back to what is a constitutional government in a constitutional?
Thing I tell everybody this is free You go to the site.
Of course, Kevin, great Kevin Roberts, and you've got Paul Danes right there, he's one of the co-authors.
He joins me.
And so you get a two-front, you actually have three-front.
We're waiting right now for this.
There's five major, including the Chevron deference, which is kind of the Mac Daddy of everything we're involved with.
at the Administrative State, at the Supreme Court.
This is where Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and these younger justices who are very focused on the
Administrative State are, but you've also got the Deep State.
Why are people so afraid of what is just an organized effort to kind of think through
the problems that are addressing the nation and understanding we can't continue to spend
its $7 trillion a year and a $2 trillion deficit.
Part of that is you have to go in programmatically.
You can't just have a 3% budget cut.
You have to programmatically take things and shut them down.
And you do that by taking apart the administrative states.
paul dans
Well, I think it's only certain people who are afraid of it, and those are the ones who've been basically stealing from the cookie jar over all these years.
We have now a permanent government in Washington.
You know, this was always the great American experiment of a government of, by, and for the people.
But over time, this administrative state... Self-government.
Self-governance.
This is the great experiment of self-governance.
democracy, our democratic republic.
But it's not functioning as a democratic republic anymore because there's this permanent bureaucracy
that's surrounded through media, big tech, big finance, big law, and it's essentially
just an ecosystem that lives here in Washington.
The only way we can kind of break that apart, make things more democratic, is bringing in new people and new ideas.
Now, to be clear, our book is a set of proposals by conservative organizations.
Donald Trump and his campaign alone set the agenda.
These are ideas to help them and they'll pick and choose but you know a lot of the mischaracterization now and false attributions of things to Project 2025, it's kind of what Scott's saying.
They have nothing else to run on right now so all they have is a fear and loathing.
steve bannon
Yeah, Ari, we'll put it up for an up or down vote.
The American people want the boot on their neck from a bunch of faceless bureaucrats in the administrative state that now act as like a Peturian guard with the deep state.
And the deep state's got to be taken care of and it will be taken care of.
It's going to be taken apart because that's a national security threat.
When you look at these people that are in full meltdown, we started today with a eight minute cold open.
You know, Rachel Maddow said and Nicole Wallace is sad and Joy Behar said and little Donnie
Deutchess said, they're all said, Caitlin Collins, they're sad.
And they're sad because they've seen the polling numbers.
But they understand that the game is about to radically change here in Washington, D.C.
And if we're to try to get our hand, that's what the CBO report coming out is so which
they lied about and they came out, it's going to be worse than two trillion.
The timing is perfect because you have to have fundamental and basic change.
And this is a roadmap of an alternative of how you do it.
Clearly, President Trump and his team.
You know, I was one of the people very involved in the transition last time and we just didn't
have the personnel.
What all these different groups are doing, it shows you so many people want to work in this administration and you're vetting or curating people right now that are subject matter experts that can go in and join the transition and then hit the beaches running during the transition on the evening of November 5th.
paul dans
Yeah, you know, we need a big-picture vision, and Donald Trump sets that forth, but we also kind of need the actual instruction manual how to get things done, and that takes time to figure out.
You know, when we visit Washington, there's these beautiful buildings everywhere, Union Station.
That was planned by a guy, Daniel Burnham, and he was famous, you know, for the City Beautiful movement, but he also made the, you know, the notion that make no little plans because they lack the power to inspire men and women, for that matter.
But, you know, it's really that people need a grand vision and then the actual details will get worked out over time.
What we've come together and worked productively is kind of a first for the conservative movement.
It's, you know, typically a liken to herding cats.
But on our side, you know, we constructively came together before anyone was running for president.
Many of us right out of the Trump admin, you know, I was only in politics, really, because I'm a Trump, I'm a forever Trumper, not a never Trumper, forever, if you will.
But, you know, it's like, and I'm saying that tongue in cheek for the Media Matters people.
But, you know, it's the point is that he's part of the cult.
He's inspired a whole group of us from all over the country to want to come serve and believe again that we can make a change in the government as outsiders.
steve bannon
Hang on, I gotta throw this story up.
So, you know, people know, I love to read, I love to inquire and learn new things and go to new, you know, throughout the world and meet people and, you know, I've done that since I was a young person.
And I'm intellectually curious and I love people That can bring it intellectually.
And I tell people that if you look at MAGA, you'll never have to slum as far as, it's not slumming as far as public intellectuals go and just flat out smart people.
I mean, Scott Besson is one of the smartest guys in finance and people in Wall Street will tell you that.
Same with Paul Danz and others, but the city, the imperial capital, refuses to believe that MAGA is anything but a bunch of people in bib overalls with pitchforks, right?
This is the ignorant working class in this country, and Trump is a fascist leader, and that's it.
They can't believe it.
So Paul Danz is one of these other, like Besson, very humble guys, modest roots.
You're at, is it C-SPAN?
You're doing C-SPAN?
paul dans
I did C-SPAN the other day.
steve bannon
You're doing C-SPAN the other day, and they're on to grill him.
Project 2025, because here's why.
They see the gravy train's gonna end.
And they see that the housing prices here are going to drop, and some of the restaurants and the Lamborghini dealerships.
The con is coming to an end, and they're furious.
This is why we say they're sad.
They have a C-SPAN correspondent, and they jump dance.
He's going on Project 2025, giving them great thoughts and really smart, you know, grand vision.
Here's how you do it.
She's so infuriated.
Her head is blowing up.
She stops and goes, do you have any expertise?
What is actually your education background?
Because here in the credentialed capital of the world, You have to be, you have to have, you've got to be stamped with an education, okay?
Not just where you work your education.
And Paul goes, well, I've got an undergraduate, a master's from MIT, and a law degree from UVA.
It's like, boom!
She didn't have much to say, but you see what they, they always attack.
They think MAGA.
They think MAGA.
Naturally, if you're MAGA, you breathe through your mouth.
paul dans
Well, I want to share an anecdote.
We just had a training here in D.C.
We want to bring people in.
Go to Project 2025.
Sign up if you're interested in serving.
Take our online classes.
But then we also had some in person.
And many of the war room, the posse, heard about this this past year and signed up.
So we had him into Washington recently and it was just an amazing group of people.
Really like you say, hey, you know, I'm a simple country lawyer myself, but like the
folks that the level and education, let's not get caught up with like the fancy degree
class because the reality is these people made things.
They're emergency room nurses.
They're retired.
You know, I met a guy who was chips, the guy from the highway patrol, like Eric Estrada
But, you know, they're all over.
They're the guys and women who are listening to War Room, kind of nodding, like, you know, who love this country and now really want to serve.
And we're making a pathway to do that.
We're going to teach you the rudimentary background in Washington, but also take this and shape your attitude of how you can go in and make the change.
steve bannon
Here's the thing, is that you don't need money for this.
Bill McGinley laid it out, I think, very clearly the other day, is that they've got $2 billion of dark money.
And this is not the RNC versus the DNC, or it's not the Trump campaign versus the Biden campaign.
This is a populist movement of you versus Arabella and Tides and these foreign billionaires that have given us money.
And the way you do that is getting engaged.
Project 25.
I'll come back in a minute.
It's free.
You just join.
You sign up.
Just like Trump Force 47 or Protect the Vote.
Just go and engage your body and soul.
Your fight.
Your fight is what's going to determine this.
Not a bunch of billionaires.
unidentified
Not George Soros putting in billions of dollars through the Tides Foundation.
steve bannon
Short break.
Paul Danz is in the house.
unidentified
Next.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm.
steve bannon
Birchgold.com We're going to break that down into clips and go.
unidentified
And I think today at five I'll have time.
steve bannon
I'm going to take a couple things Scott said today and spend a little more explanatory time.
Lauren Boebert is going to join us at five.
Lauren Boebert has got the lead story here in the Great Washington Times, a paper I love.
I read the hard copy every day and get my hands on it.
Boebert has big primary lead in her new district.
I think she's at 40 percent.
Everybody else is basically at 10 percent.
So Congressman Boebert is going to be with us, and Bob Good, the head of the Freedom Caucus, Bob Good is going to be with us with an update of this too-close-to-call race in Virginia 5.
We'll get you updated on that today, and I'm going to break down some other things.
The great thing about Project 2025, and other people, APA, FPI's working things, Stephen Miller's group's working things, CRA, everybody, they're all working together, is the amount of enthusiasm of people coming in the tens of thousands that are sending in resumes, and I think Just as a service to go back out into the hinterlands and to be able to preach the gospel of MAGA and what this means about deconstructing the administrative state and getting control of this bureaucracy, in and of itself is a massive step.
And people are so enthusiastic.
You saw the other day, I know in our audience.
People have gone and taken the course, they've read the documents, and they want to learn more.
This is a great civic exercise, is it not, sir?
paul dans
Absolutely.
You know, we're out in the open about this.
We kind of joke, tongue-in-cheek, we're loud and proud, but ours is on the internet, project2025.org, and we want to look the American public square in the eye and say, you know, we're here to support the next conservative president, and these are ideas we're behind, but also let Let the MAGA, let the base know, like, we're going to make this happen under President Trump.
And this is, you know, ultimately his direction and his team's direction.
But we're going to make sure that he has complimented folks ready to roll.
steve bannon
We've got to, everything now is all about winning and election integrity.
And Paul's very involved in all that election integrity.
So you turn out the vote, but we've got to close the deal with election integrity.
Then we've got to close the deal, stop harassing those guys between November 5th and January 6th.
Then to Inauguration Day, then the first hundred days, the first six months, and that's where we hit the deck, the beaches, running with the 3,000.
People should also understand, it's 3,000 political appointees, 1,000 Senate-confirmed.
Those will take longer, obviously, although we will control the Senate.
But there's 18 million, there's 2.5 million in the military, 2.25, I think, roughly, federal bureaucrats.
That 2.25 is the part of the deconstruction.
And it's by billet, it's not picking on people individually.
However, you know, people working, don't forget, there's 18,000, they say, how can 3,000 people control, or how can 2.25 million control something that's $7 trillion every year?
Well, the reality is there's 18 million contractors, and approximately 10 million of those are the IT services guys and people who provide those services, but there's 8 million, I've been told by reliable sources, You know, they do that so they don't have to have them in the bureaucracy.
Hey, maybe that's also where we start.
So Ari Melber and the guys at NRC, suck on that, okay?
Because this thing is, we're a rising tide.
We've got the intellectual energy and the fortitude to do this.
And I'm just so proud, Paul, for what you guys are doing.
paul dans
Well, there's no transition without winning, and we need everyone on Boots on the Ground to work towards that.
So, you know, look, all of us have skills, whether you're an attorney right now, you can come fight the law fair, you can write an op-ed challenging this stuff, you can go to bat.
steve bannon
Okay, they try to shut down all the law firms, so where do we get the lawyers from?
That's a huge deal.
paul dans
Well, you know, you don't have to be trained in this particular brand of litigation to start doing it.
A lot of the election integrity bar is a small one, and it's pretty easy to come up to speed on.
But lawyers who've practiced in other areas should start training their focus on helping out at the local level.
Two, I think, you know, Those who can write well, you should be putting op-eds and decrying, you know, locking up the admiral, but really locking up the boss here on July 11th.
And this has to be put off.
steve bannon
They're going to give him three or four years in prison.
paul dans
Well, I don't think they're going to do anything if we can change it.
Nothing's immotable.
No, no, yes.
We have to disrupt this plan, and that depends on all these groups.
The AGs, the state governor, red state governors need to go to the New York governor and say, lay off.
Our citizens have a right.
This man is running for president.
AGs need to go to the state AG in New York and say, no bueno, this is not happening.
And we need the RNC and others to go up in front of the court and say, you cannot, as non-parties, take our candidate off the map.
And New York needs to feel a full gale force of pressure to have this put off.
There is no reason why that... And you're working behind the scenes on this.
unidentified
Yes.
steve bannon
It's very important to converge 100%.
They're going to give him a multi-year prison term and then at best delay it and put Mershon in charge of letting him go maybe Ohio once a month, maybe to Wisconsin.
You watch.
They haven't come this far and destroyed this many laws.
and made this up to stop now.
They're not stoppable unless you stop them.
It's not a natural order.
They cannot stop themselves.
They won't stop themselves.
They must be stopped.
And that's what we're working on right now.
unidentified
Correct.
steve bannon
Paul Danz, you're a patriot and a hero.
Thank you for coming in, brother.
Why don't you hang?
You're hooked up.
Paul's going to hang on for a second.
I want to go to London.
I've got Ben Burquam and Raheem Kassam.
So Raheem, can Raheem hear me?
Raheem, can you give me an update?
You're over there for this House of Commons, this amazing general election that's been called.
Our good friend and your former colleague, Nigel Farage, is on a roll.
Tell us where you are and put it in context, what's happening.
raheem kassam
Yes, Steve, thank you.
We are in the east of England at the moment, right outside of the constituency that Nigel Farage is fighting for, Clacton-on-Sea.
I've got Ben Berkwam here with me.
And because England are playing today in the European tournament, I have a pint with me because we had to stop here at a pub to do to do Wharram for you.
So it is the afternoon here in a very, very sunny east of England.
And, you know, the talk of the town the talk of the country really is Nigel Farage. It's how
good is Nigel Farage and his Reform Party, how well will they do in this election,
how well are they organized, what are they polling at and you know day by day
we see the globalist party, the Conservative Party, the governing party slipping
further and further back in the polls.
Now, I think people need to temper their expectations a little bit, curb their enthusiasm perhaps a little bit, because the way the English political system works, the British political system works, It's designed to keep smaller parties out of Parliament.
It's designed to make sure that groups like Reform UK don't end up winning benches and benches, dozens and dozens of seats in Parliament on a swing.
But the way it looks at the moment, Nigel will certainly get elected.
That's how the polling is looking right now.
And I've spoken to them.
I was with them last night.
I was with Reform.
I was with Nigel.
I was with his immediate team.
They are both extremely upbeat and I can also report have some very, very interesting ideas that we are going to start seeing starting tomorrow.
steve bannon
Let me go to Ben.
Ben, you're over there now to follow this and to memorialize it for the Real America Voice family.
Give me your first impressions.
ben bergquam
Well, uh, I, uh, you know, some of you have seen that video.
I went down, uh, jogged through London with my Donald Trump did nothing wrong and my make Europe great again hat.
And, you know, kind of a mixed review.
I mean, similar to what you see in America.
I'll tell you one thing, you don't see all the pride crap that you see across America, which is an interesting, but there's some interesting dynamics going on in England that are different than you see in Europe.
We'd spent that whole, You know, several weeks this summer over in Sweden and France, and then I just came back from Romania, and there's these ebbs and flows going on here where, you know, in England, they're kind of going away from the Tories, the Conservatives, kind of going back towards the left, sadly in some ways, except for in Nigel's case, where you have this MAGA movement, so you have this kind of pulling effect going on, but at the same time, it all goes back to my primary focus, which is illegal immigration.
And that's just by me!
in particular from northern Africa, from the Middle East, and what that's doing to all these communities.
So, a lot going on. We're going to be covering it here.
We're probably going to be heading over to the mainland, going into France with their elections coming up.
So, we're going to be, you know, giving it to you from multiple different angles, what's happening here.
And, you know, from time to time, I might get threatened to have, get shanked in my neck.
But we'll see.
raheem kassam
And that's just by me.
ben bergquam
Yeah, that's not just by me.
raheem kassam
You should see his driving. He deserves it.
steve bannon
Yeah. I'm going to play that when we come back from break.
Raheem, here's what I don't understand.
It's to Ben's point about the shift.
The rest of the continent is going right wing.
To the right.
You guys had your sovereignty movement.
You took your country back.
The reason that we didn't report it, if you remember Rahim in 19, we were all over the European parliamentary elections in England.
This is what Nigel Farage really had.
He had a seat in the European Parliament.
We don't do it anymore because you took your sovereignty back.
But why did that movement immediately not spawn a populist nationalist movement that would have taken on the Tories?
The Tories squandered Brexit.
I call England now You know, Singapore on the Thames, right?
Instead of what it could have been.
What was the five-year delay in this and why is this sprouting up now?
And that's why I think Labor's at 35 percent.
I've seen a poll with Reform at like 28 and the Tories at 15 percent, Lib Democrats I think at 11 percent.
Why is this coming about now?
raheem kassam
Yeah, I would definitely take some of those polls which put reform 15% ahead of the Conservative Party.
I would take them with a pinch of salt.
They are outliers.
They are anomalies.
And they're not being able to repeat those results across a number of polls.
But you're right.
Look, the Tory party, after Brexit, the Conservative party decided that it was going to Try and foist public opinion.
Attempt to usurp the Brexit movement.
They really slow rolled the whole thing and one would argue actually that the real promises of Brexit still have not been materialised and realised.
There are still so many parts of the European question that we are still part of for some reason.
And there are things that can be done to unroll some of those things.
The European Court of Human Rights membership is a big one that Nigel is currently campaigning on.
There are all sorts of other machinations going on there.
So the reason that the United Kingdom right now is pulling to the left, is pulling to the Labour Party, is not because there is this great feeling that, oh, Sir Keir Starmer, this bureaucrat, and his cabinet, you know, mostly DEI appointments, can come along and improve the country.
No.
This election is a repudiation of the Conservative Party, of the Conservative Party's Arrogance of the lockdown measures during COVID, of all of these things, of its anti-Brexit, you know, forced Brexit behaviour, all of these things.
And this is why, look, Nigel's gambling on this election.
He's rolling the dice and here's why.
Because he understands, he figures, that whatever this Labour Party does over the next four, five years, he's got a chance then to come in and say, look, you thought the Conservative Party in government doesn't work?
That really doesn't work.
And that will lead, I think, to a major, major shift.
You can sense it.
You can feel it.
You can tell by the difference with which they treat Nigel himself out on the streets.
And you can tell it here, you know, at the pubs in the east of England.
It is shifting.
It will just take, I think, one more election cycle to get there.
steve bannon
Do you think, and that's for Prime Minister, do you see a shift even in how the media treats him?
He's almost treated, I think, at the level of Sir Keir Starmer and Sunak, at least it appears to me in the media I watch.
Your thoughts about that, sir?
raheem kassam
Yeah, look, Ben and I were talking to a bunch of people at the pub last night, a bunch of reporters, who, you know, they all go to the same pubs every night, they all encounter Nigel on a frequent basis, and there is a complete, tangible shift.
I mean, we were reminiscing about 2015, and when I worked with Nigel in 2015, we were all talking about, you know, just how different it is now, how differently he's taken, how much more seriously he's taken, How much of the country is now giving him a serious look and listening to the depth of his speeches and the depth of his debate, how they want him on all the debate stages.
They want to hear from Reform.
They want to hear from Nigel Farage.
Look, if I can tell you one thing that is unfortunate about this situation for Nigel and Reform is that how quick They were called to this election.
They haven't really had an opportunity to pull together all of the best candidates they could possibly do across the country.
They haven't had the ability to vet those candidates necessarily the way you'd want.
But they are attracting people from all walks of life, Steve.
Yesterday, you had a Muslim millionaire, I'll repeat that, a Muslim millionaire in Britain giving a several hundred thousand pound donation to Nigel Farage's Reform Party.
It would have been unthinkable five years ago.
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ben bergquam
Supporters on there, huh?
Only Jihad supporters.
unidentified
Only Hamas supporters.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's your turn.
ben bergquam
This is your turn.
Where'd you come from?
unidentified
Where'd you come from?
Leave.
ben bergquam
You want to talk?
I'll talk to you.
I'll talk to you.
unidentified
Okay.
No, no, I'll talk to you.
ben bergquam
I'll talk to you.
Of course, when I turned off the camera, they didn't want to talk.
You're tough, aren't you, buddy?
unidentified
He's a tough guy.
ben bergquam
He's a tough guy.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ben bergquam
To show you guys.
unidentified
To show this.
You want jihad, but you don't want free Palestine.
You don't want free Palestine.
That's what you want.
ben bergquam
You want to kill Jews.
Tell me the truth.
raheem kassam
You want to kill Jews.
unidentified
I'm Jewish.
I'm Jewish.
steve bannon
So you're Jews for the Holocaust.
unidentified
Okay, okay, okay.
steve bannon
So, um... Hey Rahim, you gotta get control of this guy or we're not gonna have Ben Burquam going anywhere.
Ben, that's very dangerous.
This may be the most... You've been in the Darien Gap, you've been in the southern border, you've been in Ukraine.
I think you may be in the most dangerous place on Earth, which is sections of London.
Is that correct, Rahim?
raheem kassam
The most dangerous place in London is between me and a pint, but the second most dangerous place is in these jihadi protests.
Absolutely.
I mean, you know, what you didn't hear there in that clip, by the way, is them threatening repeatedly to shank Ben in the neck.
That was, you know, direct threats out in the open, out in public.
And, you know, to be honest with you, Ben went of his own volition.
I didn't even know he was going.
And if I had known he was going, I wouldn't have gone with him either.
steve bannon
Yeah.
No, the most dangerous place actually, Rahim, is between you and a free pint.
Just let's be specific.
Ben, about that, you didn't instigate that, that's just you going around the hat.
Tell us how dangerous you think this is compared to Ukraine or compared to the Darien Gap or places you've been in northern Mexico on the border and cartel-controlled and ridden northern Mexico, sir.
ben bergquam
Well this is it's exactly why we see this this trend towards populist nationalism again in particular across Europe because unmitigated illegal immigration coming in particular from Northern Africa and the Middle East and you have places like this there here in London Same thing in France when we were in Paris, these no-go zones run by Islamists, by jihadists.
And like you said, I just walked in there, I'm filming with my camera, I'm showing this, that they've taken over, basically like what we saw at NYU and Columbia, that these leftist colleges have given over to these jihadists, these Sharia supremacists, as you call them.
And they're doing nothing about it.
And as I'm doing this, and again, you don't see that first part, the clip, if you want to see it, it's on my social media, where the guy actually says, as Rahim says, I'm going to kill you.
I'll effing kill you.
I'll shank you in the neck.
And he starts reaching into his pants.
And at that point, you don't know.
You don't know what, you know, if this guy's legitimate or if he's not.
But we do know, if history's a guide, that this is the kind of behavior that this leads to when you have Unpoliced communities, unpoliced areas, where it's the average citizen, the law-abiding citizens, that are the ones criminalized, but you have these criminal thugs, terrorists, that aren't criminalized, and a lot of times are considered victims, you've invited this.
unidentified
So the same thing we see in the United States is the same thing we see in Europe, and it's why... It's Sweden, everywhere.
steve bannon
They've forced this on the people.
Real quickly, Ben, you're... And Steve, this is... Where do people go to get...
ben bergquam
Yeah, this is why MAGA is so important.
This is why President Trump being back in office is so important, and why MAGA, ascendancy, populist nationalism is so important in Europe.
All the social media, you can follow all that we're doing online.
You'll get it on Substack, Frontline America, at Frontline America on Substack, on Getter, at VanBurkePhone, FrontlineAmerica.com, and of course, AmericasVoice.News.
We've got a new episode of Law & Border this coming Saturday.
steve bannon
Rahim, this is why Nigel's surging in the polls is what Ben saw.
Rahim, how do we get you and track you?
You're going to be both here and in France, just like Ben, covering both these massive elections.
We'll spend more time in France tomorrow.
But where can people get you and figure out where you're going to go?
unidentified
Because I know you're going to be up all hours of the day.
raheem kassam
Yeah, listen, I'm learning on this trip that Ben is an extremely active and busy man, so I'm just trying to keep pace with him, really, at the moment.
But I have a news story up from our first day one in London on the campaign trail here with Nigel Farage.
That's up at thenationalpulse.com now.
I hope people can go and check it out, read it, get up to date on what's going on.
And I'm just at Raheem Kassam on all social media platforms.
steve bannon
Glad you're there.
Say hi to Nigel.
Look forward to having you guys back on tomorrow.
Raheem and Ben in National Pulse.
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