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WarRoom Battleground EP 536: Curbing Overreach From Federal Government And DeBanking
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, Thursday, 16 May, Year of the Lord 2024.
Thank you for hanging around for the second hour of our late afternoon, early evening edition of here of the War Room.
Of course, obviously a very crazy day on Capitol Hill.
Crazy day in front of the mics.
We had the House Freedom Caucus in New York City today to back President Trump.
The markup, remember the executive privilege today, the markup in the House that we played clips from last hour.
At the Judiciary Committee is going to continue tonight.
We're going to play, if that's actually up, we're going to stream that on both Getter and Rumble and we'll have live commentary.
So that'll be the Oversight Committee markup.
Just want to duly note that and of course we'll put it up on Telegram.
Carly, Bonet, and the rest.
So a lot going on.
A couple amazing pieces I want to get in today about and put these concepts to make sure you understand them.
We have John Tedesco joins us, has an incredible piece up over at John Tamney's Roeckler markets.
And you know, we've had John on all the time, runs a great site, links to a bunch of great pieces.
about capital markets, macroeconomics, all of it, also has original op-eds.
This is about Bank of America and this concept of debanking.
Jeremy Tedesco, thank you for joining us.
Jeremy, walk us through, what's the concept?
First, we get into the details of what the shareholders are doing with Bank of America.
What is debanking and how prevalent an issue is it?
unidentified
Debanking is cancelling accounts or declining payment processing or loans to people or institutions because of their political or religious convictions or because they are involved in a legal industry that is politically disfavored by somebody, whether it's an external activist or a government activist, a regulator.
What it means is losing access to essential financial services because of your beliefs.
steve bannon
Now, we know President Trump has been debanked.
Many people in the MAGA movement, they've had their insurance canceled.
They've been debanked from institutions they've had accounts with, had credit cards with, mortgages with for decades and decades and decades.
And one of the things I keep hearing from people is that they don't get any reason.
They either get something in the mail or they just get a notification that, hey, in a week your account's going to be closed.
Is that prevalent and is that legal?
Is it fair?
unidentified
It's definitely on the rise.
I don't know if we can call it prevalent yet, but I think the amount of stories we see are kind of a small number of them, but I think beneath them there's probably a lot more.
People are very scared to make it known that they lost their bank account for some unknown reason.
That's a scary thing to experience as an individual.
We've been tracking this.
We've definitely seen a rise in debanking based on what appears to be political and religious decision-making.
Bank of America is a perfect example of it.
They debanked our client, Indigenous Advanced Ministries, a religious nonprofit that does relief work in Uganda, serving orphans, serving widows, getting people out of sex trafficking.
And they had an account there, like you were saying.
They had the account for seven or eight years, and then they got a notice out of the blue That they were canceling their account and said some vague reasons for it and simply stonewalled our client every time he asked for an actual explanation for why the account was canceled.
And so this is kind of the same way all these stories go.
The bank, out of the blue, tells you you're losing your account.
They won't tell you the reason.
And you're left essentially trying to find someplace else to stand up services very fast.
steve bannon
Jeremy, I want to go back to the specific case in which you guys did the charlottes.
Walk us through the organization.
What did they do?
What was their purpose?
Where did they put their efforts when they got this notification?
unidentified
Yeah, well, the religious nonprofit we represent is Indigenous Advanced Ministries.
They're a Tennessee, small Tennessee nonprofit.
The ministry has a heart for the people of Uganda and wants to go over there and serve them, help them, pull them out of property, meet their material needs, and share Christianity with them.
This is many, many institutions do this.
Many churches do this kind of ministry work and relief work.
And so they had an account since about 2015 at Bank of America.
They opened their account there when they started the ministry.
And then in April of 2023, they got a notice from Bank of America that said, we don't want to do business with your business type anymore.
And another notice that said that their risk profile had exceeded the bank's risk tolerance.
And that's all they got told.
Our client went and asked them multiple, multiple times for months for an actual explanation.
And they stonewalled them and would just read basically those same two explanations.
It wasn't until Daily Mail, an international media organization, reached out to Bank of America about four months after the account closures and asked them, why did you cancel these accounts?
That Bank of America started circling the wagons and coming up with reasons that just didn't add up.
None of them ever made any sense.
And so, you know, that led to shareholders trying to hold Bank of America accountable through the proxy process for this debanking situation with our client, but also the broad kind of problems they have with debanking.
This is not the only instance of debanking that Bank of America is known for.
steve bannon
So this is the shareholder stood up now when the shareholders kind of demanded, hey, get what's going on here.
Bank of America still has not come clean.
Correct me if I'm wrong, as I read your piece, they have not come clean and at least had the common decency and courtesy to tell your client exactly why they were debanked.
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
And they're hiding the ball still.
And so what happened was some shareholders filed a shareholder resolution that ended up making it to the proxy statement at the annual shareholder meeting for Bank of America.
And prior to that meeting, which happened just late last month,
Bank of America reached out in February or January of this year and said, hey, we'd like
to meet with the shareholder before the meeting to see if we can talk to them about their concerns.
So I was at that meeting.
I represented the shareholders' interests at that meeting.
And we talked about several things we were really concerned about at Bank of America.
But we specifically talked about the cancellation of indigenous advance accounts.
Oh, and also of a local church in Tennessee that gives indigenous advance money from time to time.
So we have two cancellations involving religious ministries in the United States
by Bank of America in this situation, the ministry itself, and then the church in Tennessee that gives to it as well.
And so we talked about the cancellations at this meeting with the leadership at Bank of America.
I told them that their excuses didn't add up.
And they certainly weren't even true related to the ministry and to the church.
And they said, Hey, thanks for that information.
We'll go back and talk in house.
We'll get back to you.
And they never did.
Then they turned around at the meeting in April at the shareholder meeting and repeated the exact same excuses they gave us that I had debunked at the earlier meeting.
So from our perspective, they're not playing fair.
They're dealing in bad faith.
And we really hope the shareholders continue to try to hold them accountable for this.
steve bannon
The reason I love this, I know this is actually very, very prevalent in the MAGA movement, America First, and around President Trump.
And this is the first time I've really seen somebody trying to push back.
Just a question for our audience.
Was this very prevalent?
Because it's pretty prevalent today, at least in the MAGA movement.
Is this something that ever existed before?
Really, at a kind of scale in American business or economic history?
unidentified
It's definitely a newer phenomenon.
It really started under President Obama with Operation Choke Point, which was kind of the name given to their efforts to use their ability to regulate banks to push legal industries out of the financial markets.
Payday lending, some firearms, Dealers and some other things that were just disfavored by the political left.
And that got stopped, but the problem itself didn't get resolved.
And really, the problem comes down to the fact that these big national banks are nationally chartered.
And what comes with that is pervasive federal regulation and oversight.
Part of that oversight includes reputational risk.
And what the banking regulators have done is say that reputational risk Doesn't just include what the bank does and the bank's behavior, but it also includes negative publicity about your clients.
And so what that means is banking regulators, regulators under, there's a lot of secrecy around banking regulation and the day to day kind of regulatory conversations that occur.
They can go to the banks and say, Hey, you know, you've got this client that, has some pretty negative publicity.
We think it's risky for you guys to continue to bank them.
You should think about that.
Well, once banking regulators say you should think about something,
what it means is you should probably walk away from them as a client.
We see this in New York right now.
The New York State Department of Finance, there's a case at the US Supreme Court involving them
trying to force banks and insurers in New York to stop providing services to the NRA
because of the NRA's promotion of Second Amendment rights.
And so the problem is this reputational risk regulation opens the door for abuse by government regulators
and also by third-party activists who create a...
A public problem, a public relations problem, because they don't like a customer of bank banks.
And then the regulators kind of come in on the backside and say, Hey, did you see this dust up in the public square about this client that you bank?
You should think about that from a reputational risk perspective.
So there's a huge risk.
And I should just add Steve, that it's also a risk related to the financial data that the banks have on their customers.
We know that the federal government is starting to ask banks.
to scour the records of their clients and their customers for politically charged terms and send them information about those customers in these kind of drag nets to identify domestic threats or domestic terrorists.
And we see that happening, you know, not just in legitimate ways,
but where they're sweeping in people's political activities, their purchase of religious texts, you know,
their purchases at Dick's Sporting Goods and Cabela's and things like that are pulled into this very broad
drag net by the federal government and the banks are working with the government to do that.
So there's a lot of risk that the financial institutions could be weaponized against Americans' First Amendment
rights and that's what we're concerned about.
steve bannon
Jeremy, I know you're representing these small Christian missionaries,
but what do you, our missions, what do you recommend that we do about this?
What do we recommend to War Room Policy?
What is Congress supposed to do?
How do we sort this thing out?
unidentified
Well, Jim Jordan has taken a great step by shining the sunlight on this problem through his house.
subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government.
I testified before that committee on March 7th of this year on these issues.
And he's really digging deep on the collaboration between big banks and big government to surveil
American citizens and their private financial data.
That's really important.
We also helped lead a coalition this year that got a piece of legislation passed in
Tennessee and signed by the governor just a couple of weeks ago.
It's a debanking piece of legislation that basically says the big banks in the country cannot make account closure decisions on the basis of the political or religious beliefs of his customers or If the customers are involved in industries that are disfavored by ESG, fossil fuels, all kinds of energy industries, agricultural industries.
And so there's a lot, I think, that the states can do from a regulatory perspective to create a counterweight to some of the pressure coming from the federal government, the federal regulators, and just the big national banks.
steve bannon
Jeremy, where can people go now, your website, social media, all over, to find out more about the Christian missionary, the pressure they're under, and also your testimony and other writings regarding this topic?
unidentified
Yeah, they should go to ADFLegal.org.
Alliance Defending Freedom is our organization's name, and they can find a lot of information right there.
steve bannon
We've had a couple of your partners on here.
People love Alliance Defending Freedom.
You guys do great work.
You are known for taking on underdogs, and I think our audience really appreciates it.
So we'll get everybody over to the site today.
unidentified
Great.
Thank you.
steve bannon
Thank you, Jeremy.
Jeremy Tedesco.
Another fight.
This debanking is much more prevalent.
And if you've had issues, make sure you go over to ADF's site, because I know President Trump, people around President Trump, it's a big issue.
And this is one of the weapons that they've used.
Chris Talgo joins us.
There's an incredible piece.
You know, we've had Scott Besson.
In fact, Scott's on tomorrow.
We had Jason Trennert, one of the top Wall Street analysts.
Up here this morning, we had EJ yesterday when the CPI broke and we did the PPI with him also.
But I read a piece in The Hill that I think is the best concise piece for how Biden and this Biden regime are kind of detached from economic reality.
Chris Talgo wrote it.
It's up at The Hill.
It's incredible.
Chris, walk me through it because I mean, this science, we process a lot of this, but you actually laid it out pretty systematically.
And it's one of the things we keep harping on.
You have economic reality, and then you have the spin.
You just broke it down.
So can you walk us through the piece?
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
First of all, thanks for having me.
You know, the Biden administration, you know, is constantly saying that the economy is great, but economics is, you know, working, you know, to a T and everything's great.
But we know that that's not true.
And we know that that's not true for many reasons.
First of all, the polls say that it's absolutely not true.
People continue to cite inflation and other economic problems because they can't pay their bills on a monthly basis.
So, despite the media spin that the economy is hunky-dory, obviously it's not, and American people know that.
So what I tried to do was just look at some data points to see how bad things are.
So first off, Almost 80% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.
78% to be precise.
Now the number one cited reason why they're living paycheck to paycheck is high monthly bills.
high monthly bills, we're talking energy bills, we're talking gasoline, just all the stuff
that has just gone up so much under the three plus years of the Biden administration.
Aside from that, people also are not even able to make monthly payments.
So auto loans are past due, credit card delinquencies are way up,
credit card total debt has skyrocketed by $300 billion over the past three years.
credit cards are maxed out.
So people are resorting to putting this on credit.
That's really, really bad because also with these high interest rates, these monthly credit card bills are going through the roof.
So people are not even able to pay down their principal.
they're just trying to stave off higher interest rates.
So you got that going on.
Aside from that, just across the entire economic spectrum, you've got people who are complaining that,
hey, Biden said he was going to make the economy better from the middle out and the bottom up.
That is just completely untrue.
Everything that Biden has done has actually increased the wealth of the top 10% is wealthy and connected donors.
When you look at his energy policies in particular, this is really the case.
So expensive electric cars, people don't want them.
Ordinary blue-collar American, hard-working Americans don't want them.
However, the Biden administration is trying to force all Americans into a pricey electric vehicle.
And they say, well, guess what?
You can get a $7,500 subsidy from the federal government.
Guess what?
People don't have $50,000, $60,000, $70,000 to spend on a brand new electric car that doesn't even work the way that the Biden administration says that they do.
So just across the spectrum, Americans are struggling.
Biden and the administration seem to be completely out of touch with this.
They keep harping on that biodynamics is great and that, you know, when he came into office, somehow the economy was in turmoil, which it absolutely absolutely wasn't. The inflation rate was actually 1.4
percent when Biden came into office. All the government spending, all the
terrible energy policies have created what we are now facing. And apparently, President Biden just doesn't want
to even address it.
steve bannon
I'm going to have a tax expert on next. But before I finish, I want to go right back to the heart of this. It happened
in the beginning of 2023 when the new Congress came in, and he
just put it out at Brookings the other day because you nailed it.
The people, you know, the stock market hit an all-time high today because of easy money, right?
The top 5%, top 1% are benefiting from that, not the rest of the country.
The middle class is being hollowed out.
You said that his policies are all basically essentially enrich the wealthy, yet Every so often, just for the mainstream media, they've got to be performative and come out.
I mean, he came out on 23, he says, you know, this billionaire's tax is going to be 25 percent of the billionaires are going to do this, going to do that.
And they dropped in a couple of weeks after a few media hits and getting some buzz that, you know, they're against the wealthy and really looking out for the little guy goes away.
They just did almost the exact same thing at Brookings the other day.
They talk about, you know, President Trump's tax cuts are going to go away in 2025.
And they came out almost To a comma.
Exactly what they did in 2023.
I just want you to reiterate of how the policies here are actually aimed at enriching the wealthy and gutting the middle class.
unidentified
That's exactly the case.
And it's funny that you mentioned those tax cuts, because we did an analysis on the IRS tax data.
And despite the claims by the administration and the mainstream media that these tax cuts were, that the Trump tax cuts, Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, were supposedly, you know, benefiting the wealthy.
No, that's not true whatsoever.
They were actually overwhelmingly benefiting the bottom 20% of people at the economic ladder.
Another thing that is really important to say is during the Biden administration,
income inequality has actually increased. It's at an all-time high. During President Trump's
administration, due to his deregulatory policies, due to his pro-America energy policies,
guess what happened? The people at the bottom 20 percent, their wages were going way up,
even faster than the people at the top.
So really what we have going on here is the Trump, what I like to call MAGAnomics, is all about trying to help, you know, the middle class, the hardworking Americans who are trying to start jobs.
You know, it's these deregulations, it's as low taxes.
The Biden approach is the exact opposite.
It's all about helping his politically connected donors with these green energy schemes.
And all this other, you know, government spending that of course, you know, helps people who are already in, you know, high connected places.
That's the biggest difference between the two.
And I think the American people are absolutely understanding that.
The mainstream media is trying to, you know, to tell people, don't believe what you're seeing, don't believe your bank statements and all that kind of stuff.
The economy is great, but the American people aren't buying it.
And the polls show that.
steve bannon
Oh, he actually said that even Erin Burnett, as bad as CNN, as bad as Erin Burnett, she had to push back.
He says, Americans got more than enough money, nothing's a problem.
You're doing incredible work over Heartland.
Before you go, I just want to, hit me with one number.
What percentage of the American people, sir, are living paycheck to paycheck?
unidentified
78%.
Nearly 8 in 10.
And you know what's really crazy about that?
These are people who are making These are not people who are just scraping by on $50,000 salaries.
So these, you know, especially the energy policies, that's what's really crushing America.
We also need to understand that, you know, yeah, grocery prices are through the roof too, but that's also because, you know, energy is baked into the entire economic cake.
So, you know, it costs more money to transport goods and services.
It costs more money to, you know, put the, keep the electricity on in these giant buildings.
Americans are just sick and tired of it.
And I think, you know, come November 5th, it is going to be a just a complete landslide.
steve bannon
I agree with you that in full-spectrum energy dominance, which was President Trump, full-spectrum and not energy independence, full-spectrum energy dominance, that's what underpins the rise of PPI, the wholesale prices, and that clearly rolls through CPI also.
Chris, you guys are doing great work over Heartland.
I know you've got one of the colleagues, I think it's Burnett, doing a great job.
How do people get to Heartland?
How do they get to your social media?
But I want everybody to pile in over Heartland and get all the great analysis you guys are doing.
unidentified
Yeah, just please go to heartland.org.
We got a lot of great stuff.
Like you said, H. Sterling Burnett does a lot of great work on climate change.
We've also been doing a lot of work on the 2020 election, the mail-in ballot fraud, and how it looks like it might happen again in 2024.
So we have a lot of work to do, and we're trying to make sure that America stays a free country.
steve bannon
You guys are the tip of the tip of the spear.
Thank you for joining me, brother.
Appreciate it.
unidentified
You bet.
Thank you.
steve bannon
Joshua Hanna.
Joshua, I wanted to tee you up with the first two, but also I want to talk about the Oracle of Omaha said the other day when they're having the Berkshire Hathaway conference where he already comes out, he says, look, you've got a deficit here at 7% of GDP.
The political class clearly doesn't have any will to cut this spending at all.
So you're going to have these regressive taxes of inflation.
Right now, we see what's happening.
The spending is not going to stop.
The 10,000 IRS agents are coming, and they're coming after the middle class.
he laid it out there, you're going to have massive tax increases.
He used the word massive tax increases.
Right now, we see what's happening.
The spending's not going to stop.
The 10,000 IRS agents are coming and they're coming after the middle class.
Everything about the wealthy is performative, just performative.
Because they've got great tax lawyers.
They've got accounts.
They do this.
They use the tax code to increase their wealth.
That's how the tax code's written in Washington, D.C.
But for the average guy, Joshua, what do they have?
Where can they go?
And how can you guys help over at Tax Network USA?
unidentified
When they proposed the Inflation Reduction Act, the fake news was going crazy saying, oh, we're going after the billionaires.
They're not going after people making less than $200,000 a year or whatever it was.
But now, we're seeing CP504s being sent by the millions.
IRS is coming after people who owe back taxes.
They're filing tax returns at a rapid rate for people who haven't filed.
They're looking to collect.
The worst thing you could do is try to wait for your paperwork or say, I'll do it next week, you know, or even handle it on your own.
You don't want to pretend to be a tax lawyer and enrolled agent or a CPA.
And also if the IRS is filing for you, you don't want to file a response and challenge it on your own because you may be held liable if you make a mistake.
So what we do, We put a protection order immediately on the account.
We don't wait on hold with the IRS longer than two minutes, okay?
Once we get a declaration of representatives for our clients, we will reach out to the government, put a protection order, let them know that we're handling it from here, and then we'll tailor the strategy based on the findings from the IRS.
steve bannon
Okay, here's where I'm gonna hold you through the break.
First off, what's a CP-504?
unidentified
It's a dispute to tax liability.
So basically, somebody who has a balance with the IRS, that's their window of time.
They give you about 30 days to challenge a dispute.
And it's really just a bait and switch to get you to call, wait on hold for five hours, and then be put in a pressure cooker with an IRS agent who's not working in your best interest.
You wanna make sure that you use the IRS standards for living, IRS guidelines.
And sometimes when you're working with these treasury officers,
they're not gonna disclose that to you because you've waived your rights to speak with them.
Okay.
And that's really important that people know when you're calling these IRS agents,
you're waiving your rights to speak with them.
We make sure we keep your rights intact.
And we basically, you know, go after, you know, programs that are within the law.
steve bannon
I'm going to hold you through the break because I want to break this down.
It's very important.
There are two things you can't do.
Number one, you can't put it in the drawer.
Can't put it in the drawer because you're on the clock.
So you cannot put it in the drawer.
Number two, don't make the call before you talk to the guys at Tax Network.
Just don't, don't, don't go rogue.
Right.
You've got access.
We make sure when they're sponsors, you've got access.
You have access to the senior people.
So two things.
Do not put it in the drawer.
That's not going to work.
This is all a process.
Number two, don't go freelancing and just call.
Make sure you talk to the experts, just like the wealthy would if they got something to say.
Hang on.
Joshua is going to be on the other side.
Also, the portrait of the king.
Wow.
It was unveiled the other day.
We're going to check that out.
We got Joe Allen and Ben Honra.
Ben Honra in Rome.
Birchgold.com.
Philip Patrick is going to be with me on Saturday.
He can't come on during the week because they're too packed taking your calls.
Birchgold.com slash Bannon.
Talk to Philip Patrick and the team about precious metals.
Short commercial break.
Back in a moment.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
Okay, this is just like credit cards.
steve bannon
These are processes of big institutions.
And you can't let yourself get rattled.
That's why we have sponsors that can deal with this for you.
Like I said, it is a process.
That means you have to engage in the process, but there's a way to engage, and there's a way not to engage.
There's a way to just dig yourself deeper, and then there's the proper way, or the way that's the path of least resistance.
Number one, when you get these notifications, do not put it in the drawer.
It ain't gonna go away, and the clock is ticking.
Number two, just don't sit there and go, oh, I know what I'm doing.
And I'm just going to call and find out because there's all types of small print.
You're waiving a bunch of rights.
And this is all highly technical.
Everything with ways and means, everything with the tax code, everything dealing with this in the good old United States of America is highly technical.
That's why you need an expert like Tax Network USA.
The last thing I'm going to tell you before I turn it back over to Joshua.
They're going to get blood out of a stone here.
Look, Warren Buffett told you, and remember, he's a liberal Democrat.
He said, look, massive tax increases are coming.
First off, you have the regressive tax of the high interest rates and inflation.
That is a regressive tax on you.
That's one of the ways they're going to try to bail themselves out.
The third, though, because they ain't going to cut spending because their donors in the arms industry, in the biomedical industrial complex, in the whole welfare complex, they all want more spending.
So that's not going to happen.
Buffett just said that last Saturday at Berkshire Hathaway.
So they're coming for you.
They're not coming after the billionaires.
First of all, the billionaires have lines and lines of defense, like the measure no line.
So they're not going to do that.
They're going to come after you.
They're coming after the working class, and they're coming after the middle class, and in particular, they're going to come after entrepreneurs.
So when you get a notice, or if you're behind and haven't filed, you need to turn to experts.
That's Joshua Hannon, the team at Tax Network USA.
Just walk me through the process of somebody, where they go to your site, you got the number, they call, just walk us through the process.
unidentified
They can call during business hours, you know, call the toll free number at the bottom there.
if it is at the bottom, 800-245-6000. They can give a call to 800-245-6000. When they call,
they'll have a private consultation with one of our tax professionals.
We don't charge a retainer for that.
We'll give you the attention you need and put together a tailored strategy and understand if you need us and what services you need.
And then from there, we get to work.
We'll process a declaration of representatives with the government same day, let them know that we are representing you, get on the phone with them, and start chipping away at gathering the documents and understanding I just want to make a point.
steve bannon
This thing's like a minefield, right?
I mean, it's highly technical.
That's why they need somebody at Tax Network USA as like a Sherpa to help guide people through this.
unidentified
Well, in addition to that, the IRS makes mistakes.
They're highly technical, and then they make mistakes.
You know, I've seen it so many times where they've filed a tax return for somebody that's just outright wrong, okay?
And when they file that return, collections on that are pretty quick, you know?
They're coming after you within 30 days to collect on that balance that they manufactured.
So you wanna make sure, really, you exercise your rights, and you're not paying a dollar more.
You don't wanna pay the government, especially this government.
Anymore than they're entitled to.
steve bannon
One more time.
Where do people go?
What's the site and what's the 800 number?
unidentified
Okay, they can visit TNUSA.com slash Bannon.
That's TNUSA.com slash Bannon.
And they can also give a call right now to 800-245-6000.
That's 800-245-6000.
And just to give you an idea, you know, if you don't have your documents, that's fine.
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unidentified
Thanks for having me.
steve bannon
Appreciate you.
Incredible.
Okay.
I got Harnwell in Rome.
I got D. Joe Allen, our head at All Things Transhumanism.
We don't do a lot of this.
I do want to do more because we're so jammed for what we're working on 24-7.
In fact, I'm going to put a little bit of the Ukraine situation, which Harnwell's on top of, and more and more and more important, to the back end a couple minutes here.
We're going to cover it more tomorrow morning, hopefully get Been on the show.
I got to deal with this portrait.
Can we play?
This is King Charles.
This is his official portrait, the first one.
Let's play the unveiling of it.
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Let's go and play this.
I'm going to bring in Joe Allen first.
unidentified
Someone asked me if I get nervous before unveilings and I said, well no, not normally, but then the subject doesn't normally become keen on me.
Well thank you, congratulations.
Fantastic.
Okay.
Let me get Joe Allen.
Joe Allen, I'm sorry.
steve bannon
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Joe, when I first saw this video, I think a day or two ago, I was gobsmacked.
I mean, and that is before other people came in and were doing other work that you're going to get up on the screen and walk us through.
I was shocked.
And then I was more shocked because I thought, hey, this can't be the first time he's seen it.
He sat for the portrait.
At least he's the king of frickin' England.
They had to let this guy, and this guy is kind of a controversial artist.
They had to take a peek.
And I hear that he did take a couple of peeks early on or during the process, but that he was surprised at the outcome also.
For our audience, I think it's the most demonic, I don't know, portrait of a figure of authority I've ever seen.
Joe Allen.
joe allen
Well, it certainly looks like King Charles is boiling in the pits of hell in the painting.
It's not exactly what you would consider to be classical, kind of realistic Renaissance art.
But what I thought was interesting is immediately after it started going around on the web, the image, that people started making a lot of associations with it.
It was like King Charles became the subject of a sort of Rorschach test.
And if Denver could throw up, they've got the portrait here.
You can see King Charles boiling in hell with his burnt up hands.
But the next photo is interesting.
You saw this a lot in comparison.
The film poster for Dracula, Bram Stoker's Dracula by Coppola.
And then another popular association was Vigo.
from the Ghostbusters, throw that one up there.
You can see the resemblance quite easily, the Lord of the Dark.
But what I really thought was interesting, Steve, as this kept progressing, if I could just give the audience a term to remember, and that is pareidolia.
Pareidolia.
And pareidolia is the tendency for the brain to project or detect images in things where the image doesn't exist.
So if they can throw up the next one, you can see here the King Charles painting mirrored and inverted and slightly altered.
steve bannon
Okay, hang on for a second.
I want to walk through this slowly.
This is, what's the concept?
Give the people the concept again.
joe allen
Yeah, it's pareidolia.
It's just simply if you look up in the clouds and see faces or bears or dragons.
steve bannon
Denver, I want to put that image back up.
Don't show Joe.
Don't show the book.
Don't show me.
I want to put that image up.
OK.
Keep talking, Joe.
joe allen
Yeah, it's just the mind projects images onto things where perhaps the image doesn't actually exist.
Now, unfortunately, the radio audience is going to have to definitely go to warroom.org to get a sense of what we're talking about.
But for the TV viewers, what do you see there?
What do you see?
I can tell you what I saw immediately.
If Denver would just throw up the next one.
You have a clear resemblance to Marina Abramovic in one of her classic magazine spreads holding a bloody ram's head or a goat's head.
And then, of course, Marilyn Manson doing a hat tip to Marina Abramovic.
And for those who don't know who Marina Abramovic is, she's sort of the house occultist for various political operatives, such as John Podesta's brother.
unidentified
Whatever his name is, it's escaping me.
steve bannon
Tony Podesta, who's also the guy that has all that pedophilia art.
Very controversial guy.
Okay, so I got the two images.
Hang on, I got the two images of her, the occult.
She's a witch.
The other guy is a madman, a Manson, right?
The Marilyn, the singer, Marilyn Manson, I think it is.
Let's go back to this mirror image.
I want people to look at this in the TV audience.
This was, was this not doctored?
This is essentially, correct me if I'm wrong, this is the mirror image and it's just highlighted what was in there?
Or they actually superimposed something in there?
joe allen
No, it's definitely just the image with the colors emphasized a bit so that you got more contrast between the dark and the light.
It kind of reminds me, Steve.
steve bannon
Hold it, hold it.
That is purely taken from what those people did.
I mean, this is, what are you looking, Joe Allen, what the hell are you looking at right there when you see it?
joe allen
I see demons!
I see a demon!
Now I see demons everywhere, but I definitely see a demon there.
steve bannon
Ben Harnwell, I'm bringing you in for a second.
How in the hell?
This guy's the king of frickin' England.
How did this happen?
And by the way, the guy's very controversial.
There should have been close order supervision of him.
He looks like a total weirdo.
He's got a reputation doing things like this, but Ben Harnwell.
How in the hell did this happen?
Because that has not been doctored.
Now, I've talked to a number of people on this thing about how this is the mirror image.
How could they possibly allow something like this to happen, sir?
ben harnwell
Steve, Joe.
Good afternoon to you.
Well, look, the first thing I would say, I think you're probably your question is absolutely right.
How in the hell does it appear to be the origins?
If you're going to say that the artist Jonathan Yeo looks like a weirdo, well, all artists look like weirdos.
You know what?
I think Joe's post on this one, Geta, had it absolutely right.
Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
That's exactly, I think, the phenomenon here.
I have two possibilities, right?
And I don't know which is the more terrifying.
The first possibility is that the artist, Jonathan Yo, he did this deliberately because he's part of an occult network.
And of course, the occultists, if there's one thing that they just love rolling their sleeves up and doing, it's symbolism and implementing, sort of inserting that kind of demonic That's the first possibility, which would be terrifying, as you said, because we're dealing with the King of England.
The second possibility is even more terrifying, I think, and that is through whatever mechanism, I don't know, But this was an entirely innocent portrait.
I mean, you can question the artist's style choices.
But when I say innocence, there was no intention on behalf of the artist to put Bartholomew in the middle of the picture.
steve bannon
Full stop.
How can you see when they do the mirror image, and Joe just said it's been highlighted a little bit, but not doctored.
Unless the demon themselves, unless Beelzebub and Satan are actually not using the human agency of the artist and just doing it themselves, it couldn't just have happened.
That's six trillion probability assessment that things would come together to be that.
It's just mathematically impossible, is it not, sir?
ben harnwell
I wasn't suggesting that it was random.
I was suggesting either he did this deliberately, Or, through some access to the diabolic, to hell, Satan has come in and used this guy as his direct instrument.
steve bannon
Okay, fine.
ben harnwell
Fine.
I think those are the two possibilities, right?
steve bannon
Well, you're saying the instrumentality of the artist was the interface in either case, correct?
Either Satan came into it, or demons.
Either willing or unwilling.
Okay, fine.
Put a pin in that for a second.
And I want to do this, and maybe tomorrow on the Sixth Class Show we have to do it.
It seems to me also, I haven't done the supercut on Eurovision, and Ben, I haven't talked to you yet about it, or Joe, the Eurovision supercut on what played on Eurovision the other day is absolutely from the gates of hell.
I've never seen anything like it.
And Eurovision used to be this kind of sweet, you know, ABBA came out with their songs, they broke, you know, 20, 30, 40 years ago.
This thing has become totally and completely demonic at the same time this is delivered.
Joe Allen, you got a master's degree in all this at the exact school that Dr. Martin Luther King went to.
What's your assessment?
What are we dealing with here?
joe allen
Well, you know, it's interesting, Steve.
You know, what I studied at Boston University primarily was the science of religion, cognitive science.
as they relate to this.
It is very, very closely related.
What some of the drier theories of religion, which I do not subscribe to, by the way, hold, is that that tendency towards pareidolia, that tendency to project images onto patterns and to see faces in the clouds, to see, you know, images on trees, so on and so forth, of like bearded men, That that is what underlies the religious phenomena we see in culture.
I do not subscribe to that belief.
I should be very, very clear.
That is not my philosophy of religion.
However, I will say that it is absolutely true that our minds do that, that they play tricks.
If I could just throw that in there as a third sort of possibility.
steve bannon
Call it full stop.
Full stop.
Are you telling me that that's your pitch?
Is your pitch, is I'm seeing the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast?
Is that what you're saying that this is?
joe allen
I'm saying two things.
I'm saying one, that it's possible that all three of us are seeing the Virgin Mary on this piece of toast.
No, stop.
Stop.
steve bannon
Stop, stop.
No, no, I want to get back to objective reality.
unidentified
Hang on, hang on.
steve bannon
This is why I don't do a lot of this, but okay, go ahead, go ahead.
joe allen
So the real important point about all this, it's used oftentimes to dismiss any sort of religious experience and say that because our minds project images onto patterns, that that's all we're doing in any sort of religious experience.
But what I would argue is this, the mind is made to do that so you can recognize real things.
Just because you're projecting doesn't mean it isn't real.
steve bannon
I know why Boston University has turned out more atheists and fewer preachers.
Hold it.
I'm making a command decision here.
We're going to do this tomorrow in the sixth lecture.
I'm going to do your vision.
I've got to.
Because, as you know, I don't do a lot of this.
But this one was so up in your face.
That something's not right.
And clearly something's not right in the world today.
We know it's a spiritual war.
And it's just something, there's something so odd about this, and how, and so many people have now responded to this.
Joe, where do they go to get all your writings?
I need people to read Dark Aeon.
Where do they go to get all your other writings?
We'll have you back on the 6 o'clock tomorrow night with us.
But until then, where do they go?
joe allen
If you want a heavy dose of all of this dark eon transhumanism and the war against humanity, you can find it anywhere books are sold at Skyhorse Publishing, at Bookshop.org, Pay With Your Palm at Amazon, or go to my website, my social media, at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z, or warroom.org under the transhumanism tab.
Thank you very much, Steve.
steve bannon
And if you want to have a great evening's entertainment, get your local group, your church, whatever, and get Joe Allen out there to speak to you.
We want Joe Allen on the road preaching the gospel of how to stop transhumanism.
Joe Allen, you're fantastic.
Look forward to seeing you tomorrow night.
Thank you very much.
Ben Harnwell, we were going to do Ukraine.
Just a quick update.
This assassination attempt, and I'm not sure we're getting the full story of this, but this is the kind of thing with everything on tenterhooks that could lead to the guns of August.
We've got about a minute, Ben.
Your thoughts on everything Ukraine until we get you back on tomorrow?
ben harnwell
Look, my point is this.
Robert Fico, the Prime Minister of Slovakia, Made a short video that I think was put out on social media about 35 days ago, 40 days ago, in which he said the political climate driven by the media had reached such a point that assassination of a key political figure was a probable outcome.
My only observation, perhaps tomorrow, I know Denver's got this video, it's only like a minute 25 long, we'll play it tomorrow.
My point only is this, everything that Fico said about the high degree of stress and tension in the Slovakian political discourse, everything he said could equally be applied to the United States.
unidentified
Amen.
ben harnwell
And obviously that has consequences.
steve bannon
Ben, where are they going on social media to get you?
We'll see you tomorrow.
ben harnwell
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Steve.
Getter at Harnwell, which is my surname.
Thanks, Steve.
God bless.
steve bannon
Love you.
Love you, brother.
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