Aug. 15, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
| Because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| President Obama got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| Thanks for joining us. | ||
| The question here is for McBurney is very much is what is Willis' timeline. | ||
| I just want to read you a couple direct quotes sent from our producer Gary Grombach, who is actually inside of that room right now. | ||
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He just texted us that McBurney told the reporters in that room, quote, you didn't go get dinner. | |
| You should have gotten dinner after his urging to go get dinner, suggesting this could have been a long night. | ||
| And then he said, quote, I guess you'll have to wait and see. | ||
| And if you don't wait, Then you don't see. | ||
| Those were the quotes from the judge inside of that room here. | ||
| I can tell you, we have Uber Eats, Chick-fil-A, here we are waiting. | ||
| But the bigger question for everybody on this block, particularly, is when this is going to get done. | ||
| Because Beyoncé, we should know, just two blocks from here, her concert, just down the road at the stadium, begins just over two hours from now, Nicole. | ||
| It's a big night in Atlanta, Georgia. | ||
| I mean, that's where it feels like the center of the universe most days, but especially today. | ||
| Oh, I can't believe this. | ||
| Yeah, this is not the circumstances in which I expected to be talking to you. | ||
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Nor me, Rachel. | |
| It's always good to talk to you, but honestly, I didn't think that it would be under these circumstances. | ||
| Yet another set of indictments. | ||
| Maybe another downgrade coming for the banking industry. | ||
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Fitch is warning it may be forced to cut the credit rating of dozens of banks, including big ones like J.P. | |
| Morgan. | ||
| CNBC.com's Hugh Son was first to report the story. | ||
| He joins us now, Hugh. | ||
| So what's behind this potential move? | ||
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Hey, Mike. | |
| Just a little bit of context here. | ||
| So, Fitch, back in June, lowered its assessment of the U.S. | ||
| banking industry's health from AA to AA-. | ||
| And there were no rating changes on the bank, so it went largely unnoticed. | ||
| I think Fitch was actually kind of concerned at the increasing risk that they'd have to cut it another notch. | ||
| So, taking that industry rating from AA- to A+, which is one level lower, Now, the problem that that introduces, Mike, is that you have four institutions, some of our top-rated credits, including JP Morgan and Bank of America, the two biggest banks in the country, that are rated currently AA-. | ||
| And you can't have banks rated higher than the operating environment in which they operate. | ||
| So that would necessitate at least the examination of cutting them from double A minus to A plus. | ||
| And that would potentially set off a cascade of examinations of the entire universe of banks covered by Fitch. | ||
| There are more than 70, where you'd have to consider cutting some of these other banks that are rated less than JP Morgan and B of A to maintain the gap between the top banks and the lesser credits. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Tuesday, 15 August, Year of the Lord 2023. | ||
| Remember, two years ago we were here was the Afghan debacle, the retreat and the loss of the young Marines in Afghanistan with that debacle, the pullout. | ||
| The world's on fire right now. | ||
| Chinese economy, it looks like all the phony numbers they've been putting up for years. | ||
| Our chickens are coming home to roost. | ||
| The Chinese Communist Party just announced that they're not going to put out the youth unemployment right now because they understand the youth unemployment is reaching 50% as the regime gets roiled. | ||
| There's so much going on. | ||
| We got new news out of Michigan. | ||
| There's continued agony in Maui with nothing coming from the White House and information basically locked down. | ||
| In all that, we want to show the frivolity of how they're handling this end-of-the-republic types of lawfare against an individual who now leads in the presidential race. | ||
| They will do anything to stop him. | ||
| We're going to get into more of that. | ||
| We got Mike Davis, Clayton Mitchell, Dershowitz. | ||
| As I committed to you, we're going to get to the basics of that, let you know what's happening. | ||
| President Trump has already put out a true social. | ||
| He's going to press conference on Monday, I think at 11 o'clock to walk through a definitive report on all things Georgia. | ||
| So we'll get into that with Cleta and the rest of the folks in a little bit, but the economy in particular this bombshell that came out from Fitch. | ||
| Oh, by the way, we're thinking of we're not just downgraded the US government because of its inability to get control of its finances, but we're going to we're going to downgrade all and these are not just regional banks were downgrade Money Center banks, including wait for it. | ||
| presidential aspirant Jamie Dimon's JP Morgan, the most important bank in the country. | ||
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E.J. | |
| Antoni is going to join us in a moment. | ||
| But I want to focus on Signal. | ||
| One of that is this Patriot economy that is building every day, and we're trying to highlight the individuals that are doing that. | ||
| Michael Seifert joins us. | ||
| Michael, you've been extraordinarily busy the last couple of weeks over at Public SQ. | ||
| Tell us more than ever, We need every patriot that watches this show to embrace the foundational elements of the patriot economy. | ||
| No longer, it's very simple, you no longer have to give money to people that hate you. | ||
| And as we get into what happened in Georgia, and this is a travesty, okay? | ||
| Yesterday they put out, this is why they had, it was in the dark at night they actually did the indictments and opened them up. | ||
| They had to because they already put the indictments out. | ||
| Twelve hours beforehand, even before the grand jury met, and before all final ten witnesses met. | ||
| It's a travesty. | ||
| It's a joke. | ||
| You need to stop giving your money to people that hate you. | ||
| And Michael Siefert's come up with an answer to that. | ||
| Brother Siefert, walk me through Public SQ. | ||
| How can that help build the patriot economy? | ||
| Well, Steve, as you mentioned, our institutions are broken. | ||
| They're corrupt and they're broken on purpose. | ||
| These people have made it their goal to destroy everything we once held dear in the United States. | ||
| And not only are institutions crumbling and failing here domestically, but as you mentioned, China is collapsing. | ||
| They're already in demographic collapse. | ||
| Our supply chain is far too reliant upon them. | ||
| So we need to focus on building institutions here in the United States that are centered upon the core principles that have made our country so special in the first place. | ||
| And that looks like supporting small businesses that love our country and the Constitution and the values that makes our nation strong, that stand against a political corrupt society and for human prosperity and flourishing. | ||
| So we've created a marketplace that does just that. | ||
| We started Public Square, PublicSQ.com to exist as the nation's largest marketplace of businesses that are pro-liberty, and pro-constitution and stand up for conservative values. | ||
| Now we're over 65,000 small businesses strong. | ||
| Well over 1.4 million consumer members have joined. | ||
| We have businesses from nearly every single industry category and this is beginning to compound on itself every day, the more that these consumers find these businesses and the more that the businesses find each other and literally create transactions that are fortified from corruption because they're built on trust because of their values alignment. | ||
| So it's an exciting time in the parallel economy it gives me a lot of hope even in the face of a lot of dark times in our nation. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| I want to make sure we get both the entrepreneurs and the in the war room posse who are not entrepreneurs. | ||
| It's all free. | ||
| How do people, if you have a business, how do you go to you and put it up so we don't have 65,000, but we have 265,000? | ||
| And then on the other side, people just want to see and get access to these patriot-loving companies. | ||
| Where do they go? | ||
| So walk through both the entrepreneurs and the individual. | ||
| So you can head to PublicSQ.com. | ||
| That's the best place to get started. | ||
| If you're a business owner, we'd love for you to join. | ||
| We'd love to continue to advance this new Chamber of Commerce because our existing Chamber of Commerce is a joke. | ||
| So we're trying to create a new form for businesses to connect with these consumers and the other fellow businesses in the marketplace. | ||
| So you can hit add your business. | ||
| It's a quick process. | ||
| It's all free to join. | ||
| If you're a consumer, you can join by signing up on the platform at PublicSQ.com. | ||
| You'll also find links to the App Store or Google Play. | ||
| It's also free. | ||
| We're never going to ask you for money. | ||
| We make our money through advertising. | ||
| We make our money through creating our own products. | ||
| We make our money through e-commerce. | ||
| We don't have to have some sort of premium version that you need to pay for. | ||
| And we don't have to sell your data to make money. | ||
| So it's really a trust-based transaction. | ||
| Amen, brother. | ||
| and through and it's very simple to sign up. | ||
| So we hope that folks will join us in this patriotic parallel economy. | ||
| Start with just a few purchases and you'll be amazed at how simple it becomes to truly move your spending toward companies that don't hate you and into the process, we'll be able to shift the power structures of society back toward we the people, which is needed now desperately more than ever. | ||
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Amen, brother. | |
| One more time. | ||
| How do people get there? | ||
| Head to publicsq.com and we'd love it if you join the movement. | ||
| We're growing every day. | ||
| We're just getting started in less than 13 months since our nationwide launch. | ||
| We've created this behemoth of freedom and we love it. | ||
| And so we'd love for you to join the movement with us. | ||
| That's at PublicSQ.com. | ||
| And Steve, thanks so much for having me on. | ||
| See for it all the time. | ||
| Great job, brother, from an idea. | ||
| He was in Silicon Valley from an idea to now something as important as we go throughout the morning. | ||
| This we're going to talk about institutions, institutions that are broken. | ||
| This lawfare is all 100 percent is to is to stop Trump in the Trump movement. | ||
| One thousand percent. | ||
| Not even a question about that. | ||
| But now, the lawlessness in Georgia is pretty shocking, because now they're rounding up, now they're rounding up, what is it, 18 people with Trump, or 17 people, I think 18 with Trump, and many of these just totally innocent, you know, war room posse types, right? | ||
| They're going to try to break them, try to bankrupt them, all of it. | ||
| They have no bounds. | ||
| They will do anything. | ||
| Think about that for a second. | ||
| They will do anything. | ||
| They will break any law. | ||
| They will destroy any institution. | ||
| They will do anything to defeat Donald Trump. | ||
| Now, why is that? | ||
| Think about that for a second. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Because of you. | ||
| They do not want the working class and middle class people in this country to have any say-so in the direction of this country. | ||
| And let me tell you some things we're going to go on today. | ||
| Later today we're going to have Ben Harnwell on and we're going to talk about the situation in Ukraine. | ||
| Biden puts up a $20 billion new bill. | ||
| $300 million yesterday they're just sending over without asking anybody. | ||
| Another one of these DOD pockets of cash they have. | ||
| But they're asking for $20 billion. | ||
| At the exact same time we have reports out there in the Asia Times Written by very qualified people with great sourcing that says, hey, a lot of the units in this counter-offensive have just stopped fighting. | ||
| And now there's real grumbling in the Ukrainian military about Zelensky. | ||
| And Zelensky just chopped the heads off the recruiting process because the guys were taking too many bribes. | ||
| Why are they taking bribes? | ||
| Nobody in Ukraine wants to go to the front anymore because of the slaughter that's happening. | ||
| In fact, the report in Asia Times is they're saying it could be up to 200,000 200,000 I quote the Asia Times 200,000 Ukrainian casualties now Many of those because of this failed spring offensive driven by all the geniuses you saw on on MSNBC from the Pentagon and the Great Think Tanks and the Atlantic Council and all of it Remember that all non-stop, non-stop, non-stop. | ||
| Russia's failing, Russia's failing, Russia armory's failing. | ||
| This is going to be a massive offensive. | ||
| We're going to take Crimea. | ||
| We're going to take the Donbass. | ||
| We're going to do all of that. | ||
| Okay, where are they all now? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Where are they all now? | ||
| At the same time, the Chinese Communist Party is in an economic meltdown right now, and trying to hide every number they've ever put forward is an absolute lie. | ||
| And I want to bring in E.J. | ||
| Antoni for a second. | ||
| E.J., the quiet part out loud. | ||
| I want people... Fitch a couple weeks ago downgraded the U.S. | ||
| government and it's because of, and they try to push forward the narrative on CNBC and others, it's because of the MAGA Republicans and the debt ceiling fight. | ||
| No, it's because what got approved. | ||
| If the proposal put forward by the MAGA Republicans, this base, had been accepted, there wouldn't have been a downgrade. | ||
| But they kind of washed over, and because of all this madness about Trump, they washed over the fact that the analyst, I got about 60 seconds, the analyst is sitting there saying, I may downgrade the banks, the big money center banks. | ||
| EJ, how big a news is this? | ||
| Oh, Steve, this is massive, and it helps answer the question as to why these rating agencies were able to downgrade the banking sector, and then everyone was left scratching their heads saying, well, what about the individual banks? | ||
| How is it all the components of these sectors can be perfectly fine, but the sectors themselves can be in such desperate straits where the Federal Reserve is literally creating hundreds of billions of dollars to bail out the sector? | ||
| This is absolutely massive, and very few people seem to be paying attention to it. | ||
| EJ, hang on for one second. | ||
| We're taking a short commercial break. | ||
| We're going to get into the signal, which is the financial meltdown of your nation and the world because of incompetence and radical ideas. | ||
| At the same time, they're trying to crush the individual that could stand up for working class people and middle class in this nation, Donald J. Trump. | ||
| It's all in a Shrek-of-Elite. | ||
| And we're gonna get into the fiasco. | ||
| We're gonna spend time on the fiasco in Georgia. | ||
| We're gonna break it down all for you with Dershowitz, Mike Davis, Cleta Mitchell. | ||
| All next in The War Room. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | |
| Fitch is warning it may be forced to cut the credit rating of dozens of banks, including big ones like J.P. | ||
| Morgan. | ||
| CNBC.com's Hugh Son was first to report the story. | ||
| He joins us now, Hugh. | ||
| So what's behind this potential move? | ||
| Hey, Mike. | ||
| So, I think, just a little bit of context here. | ||
| So, Fitch, back in June, lowered its assessment of the U.S. | ||
| banking industry's health from AA to AA-, and there were no rating changes on the bank, so it went largely unnoticed. | ||
| I think Fitch was actually kind of concerned at the increasing risk that they'd have to cut it another notch. | ||
| So, taking that industry rating from AA- to A+, which is one level lower, Now, the problem that that introduces, Mike, is that you have four institutions, some of our top-rated credits, including JP Morgan and Bank of America, the two biggest banks in the country, that are rated currently AA-. | ||
| And you can't have banks rated higher than the operating environment in which they operate. | ||
| So that would necessitate at least the examination of cutting them from double A minus to A plus. | ||
| And that would potentially set off a cascade of examinations of the entire universe of banks covered by Fitch. | ||
| There are more than 70 where you'd have to consider cutting some of these other banks you know that are rated less. | ||
| This is about to impact your life. | ||
| The what happened in Georgia is essentially not worthy of your time except for the fact that it is lawfare and we're going to get into all that and how it's going to be thwarted. | ||
| But I don't want to spend too much time on the details because it's absurd. | ||
| First off, she's a total buffoon. | ||
| She's saying last night... Remember, it's in the dark of night. | ||
| They had to get it in last night. | ||
| She took the stage at 1130 at night for those of you that might have been asleep. | ||
| Because they put out the indictment beforehand. | ||
| They were covering themselves. | ||
| They got the judge in it. | ||
| They never... Do you think that state court stays open past five o'clock? | ||
| You would be incorrect. | ||
| They had to do it last night. | ||
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18. | |
| She says you're going to try them all at one time. | ||
| They have a gang trial down there. | ||
| I think they're six or nine months into jury selection and they don't have a jury. | ||
| They've got a couple of jurors. | ||
| If she tried them all 18 together, it would take, first off, it wouldn't be ready for years. | ||
| It would take a year to do the jury selection. | ||
| It would take years to do the trial. | ||
| It's a five-year deal. | ||
| Six year. | ||
| We'll get into the details of it in a moment, but I don't want to waste your time. | ||
| I want to talk about something that's important. | ||
| And the economy, there are deep structural problems with the economy and the Federal Reserve has been trying to cover it up. | ||
| E.J. | ||
| and Tony, walk me through what the Fed's been doing. | ||
| You said you'd have a better, we'd have a better luck with having a monopoly, the guy, the monopoly guy running the Fed than the Fed. | ||
| How's that tied to what Fitch is warning about these banks, the Biden banking crisis? | ||
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Is he on mute? | |
| Yeah, you've got to unmute yourself. | ||
| We've got to – okay. | ||
| Let's do this. | ||
| Sorry, Steve. | ||
| Can you hear me okay? | ||
| Yeah, hang on a second. | ||
| Let's start at the top. | ||
| How does this tie into – how does the Fed tie back into this banking crisis? | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| Well, Steve, when Monopoly was first introduced way back in the 1930s, the amount of Monopoly money that was printed was actually about equal to the amount of money that was in circulation at the time. | ||
| Monopoly money was the same amount as real dollars. | ||
| And over time, Monopoly money, even though it's been the third best-selling board game of all time, has still printed far less money than the Federal Reserve has. | ||
| And in recent history, what that has done is drive interest rates essentially down to zero. | ||
| for a very long period of time and create systemic interest rate risk within the banking system. | ||
| In other words, banks have a bunch of securities that they hold as assets on their books, but those securities aren't worth anything if interest rates go up. Well, that's exactly what has happened the last several years under Joe Biden because of his runaway spending. | ||
| And so as a result of that, you now have this incredible risk in the banking system, and the Federal Reserve has responded not by allowing investors to sort out good assets from bad assets, but instead to just bail out all the bad assets, which necessitated creating literally hundreds of billions of dollars since about the middle of March. | ||
| And now you still have this problem of a lot of the banking sector on very, very shaking ground, and some of these banks, especially the regional ones, just flat out insolvent. | ||
| So the Fed hasn't actually solved anything. | ||
| They have just once again engaged in their age-old practice of kicking the can down the road. | ||
| I want to go back to, when you say regional banks are insolvent, is this because of the commercial real estate problem of the portfolio they have? | ||
| Because you're going to set off a lot of alarms to that audience saying the regional banks are insolvent. | ||
| What's caused that? | ||
| Steve, you bring up a great point with commercial real estate and the fact that commercial real estate is almost entirely done by regional banks because they just know their locations and their industries much better than the big national banks do, especially the global banks as well, banks like JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Citi. | ||
| And so as a result of not only mismanagement in terms of things like commercial real estate, but also again going back to this systemic interest rate problem, banks had this problem of literally years being able to buy nothing other than low interest rate securities because that's what Congress, the Treasury, the Fed were flooding the market with. | ||
| And so now, again, you have this problem of banks literally being insolvent. | ||
| Now, immediately people want to know, do I need to run and get my money out? | ||
| Well, if you have less than $250,000 in deposits, which is 99% of Americans, then there's nothing to worry about because the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation has you covered anyway. | ||
| In fact, even if you have more than that, as we saw with Silicon Valley Bank. | ||
| Come on, there's a blanket insurance, there's an implicit insurance guarantee on all of it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Silicon Valley Bank. | ||
| But that means it's either through depositors, through higher fees, or just bailouts with taxpayers. | ||
| What do you think is going to happen? | ||
| Is there going to have to be a massive restructuring of the banking industry? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think we're looking at a lot of consolidation going forward. | ||
| In fact, Janet Yellen herself even hinted at that in an interview not that long ago, where she said some additional consolidation would help make the banking system healthier. | ||
| How creating more systemic problems in the banking system is going to make it healthier, I have no idea. | ||
| But then again, this is Janet Yellen, and few people have done more to help destroy the middle class in this country than she has, both in her time as chair of the Federal Reserve and also as Secretary of the Treasury. | ||
| South China Morning Post and the Financial Times are reporting that the shadow bank giant, the black rock of shadow banking in China, is starting to miss interest payments. | ||
| And I think it's $290 to $300 billion of assets. | ||
| People are absolutely in panic mode. | ||
| Walk me through how China is inextricably linked to this problem we've got in our banking industry and at the Fed. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| One of the first things we have to realize is that a lot of banks are invested in each other. | ||
| And so that's one of the reasons why when one bank begins to fail, it causes other banks to fail as well. | ||
| You get that domino effect. | ||
| One bank will loan money to another, one bank will borrow securities from another, etc. | ||
| But in terms of global trade, we have a lot of businesses that are reliant on the import-export market. | ||
| And as the global economy has been slowing down, that has really hurt China's export market. | ||
| And we have to understand that China's entire economy has more or less been a Ponzi scheme for the last couple of decades. | ||
| And I don't just mean that in terms of how their central bank has essentially been printing money like ours has, but on top of that, they are constantly creating new debt to finance things like their road and bridge projects, which are just absolutely massive. | ||
| We're talking trillions of dollars. | ||
| It dwarfs any kind of construction projects that go on here in the United States. | ||
| But those are all paid for with the expectation of future earnings from export markets. | ||
| So as soon as those export markets don't materialize, all of those assets turn out to not be worth anything at all. | ||
| And so that's how you have these giant financial firms in China now missing interest payments, because the revenue that they promised would be there all of a sudden isn't. | ||
| Okay, E.J., can you hang over a second? | ||
| We're going to take a break. | ||
| Professor Dershowitz is going to join us, but I want to finish up with you after the break. | ||
| We've got also Mike Davis and Cleta Mitchell. | ||
| We're going to break down the fiasco in Georgia to make sure our audience is up to speed on what's important, and we'll throw away what's not because we do have to focus on lawfare. | ||
| A lot going on in Michigan. | ||
| I'm trying to get the Hoff brothers up. | ||
| A lot going on in Maui. | ||
| We are packed today. | ||
| Not just the two hours this morning, but the two hours this afternoon. | ||
| And we're heading towards Missouri. | ||
| Want to give a shout out to the great state of Michigan. | ||
| Everything that's happening there in the investigation. | ||
| And we're going to play in a tribute, Lefty Frizzell, the great Lefty Frizzell. | ||
| One of country music's kind of not that well known legends. | ||
| Saginaw, Michigan. | ||
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And a daughter of a wealthy, wealthy man But he called me that son of a Saginaw fisherman And not good enough to claim his daughter's hand Now I'm up here in Alaska Looking around for gold | |
| Like a crazy fool I'm digging in this frozen ground so cold But with each new day I pray I'll strike it rich and then I'll go back home and claim my love in Saginaw, Michigan | ||
| I wrote my love in Saginaw, Michigan I said, honey, I'm coming home, please wait for me And you can tell your dad I'm coming back a richer man I | ||
| I hit the biggest strike in comeback history. | ||
| Her dad met me in Saginaw, Michigan. | ||
| He gave me a great big party with champagne. | ||
| Then he said, Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | ||
| Okay, welcome back. | ||
| E.J., the situation in China, the inextricably linked nature with the American economy, it's going to drive Xi even more to look for a military solution to this. | ||
| This is why you see the head of the Strategic Rockets Forces fired. | ||
| You're seeing this. | ||
| He's chopping off heads in the military right now. | ||
| They're on a path to a kinetic war. | ||
| In the South China Sea, straits of Taiwan, and over Taiwan, and a big part of this is to get people's attention in his own country, Lao Baijing, off of the financial disaster that the Chinese Communist Party has created. | ||
| EJ, here's a problem I've got. | ||
| American officials are not being straight with the American people. | ||
| And let me go, I want to lay this on Kevin McCarthy. | ||
| Kevin McCarthy came out, there was a leak, you know, a leak yesterday from where he's in Jackson Hole with the Fat Cats. | ||
| And what'd he say? | ||
| Oh, he thinks he's going to have to come back and have a CR. | ||
| A CR past September 30th, past the end of the fiscal year. | ||
| A continued resolution, but it'll be a short one. | ||
| It'll be so they get everything done before Christmas, and then they'll move on. | ||
| We have predicted this and told you about this time and again. | ||
| This is a scam. | ||
| And McCarthy hands are just as dirty on this as Biden. | ||
| The spending is into oblivion and then lying to the American people. | ||
| This is a combination of malfeasance and incompetence. | ||
| And I'm telling you, on a day when that buffoon down in Georgia last night in the dead of night puts this out, this is what's important. | ||
| You're in a financial meltdown in this country and it's going to destroy. | ||
| We're going to have not simply a lost decade. | ||
| Write this down. | ||
| You're going to have a lost generation or two. | ||
| If you're under 40 years old and you continue to vote for this, then you deserve everything you've got coming. | ||
| Let me repeat that. | ||
| If you're under 40 years old, you continue to vote for this unit party. | ||
| You continue to vote for these irresponsible, reckless Democrats and Rhino Republicans. | ||
| You deserve everything you've got coming. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| You've been warned. | ||
| The education system in this country is terrible, but at least you understand simple arithmetic, I hope. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| We need a major, major financial and economic restructuring in this country, and we need it ASAP. | ||
| And it's one of the reasons they want to put Donald John Trump in jail for a thousand years. | ||
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| Let me be blunt. | ||
| EJ, how do people get to your writings, wherever you're back on? | ||
| Is this thing starting to metastasize as we said it would? | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| Well, Steve, the best place to find me is going to be on Twitter or X or whatever we're calling it these days. | ||
| It's at real EJ Antoni. | ||
| E.J., great work. | ||
| I look forward to having you back on, brother. | ||
| We'll put all your pieces up today. | ||
| Can't spend as much time. | ||
| I'd like to take the whole show, but I can't. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Thank you for having me. | ||
| Before I turn to our next guest, there's a poll out. | ||
| Emerson, which is no right-wing poll, from New Hampshire, Ron DeSantis at 8%. | ||
| I hate to say I called this. | ||
| I told everybody two or three weeks ago when he went on that interview on NBC and immediately served it up, Trump lost and Joe Biden's the legitimate president of the United States. | ||
| I said, he's going to be a one digit midget here in a couple of weeks. | ||
| There it is in New Hampshire. | ||
| You're seeing it already going to happen in Ohio. | ||
| It's going to happen in Iowa. | ||
| It's going to happen nationally. | ||
| The DeSantis thing is done. | ||
| Anybody that's still supporting this, in the Murdochs, in this ridiculous, phony debate, there is no debate right now. | ||
| There is no debate, okay? | ||
| DeSantis is starting to get swept out with the tide. | ||
| He'll be down at 5 or 6, 7 percent. | ||
| It'll bottom out there, okay? | ||
| Another called shot, thank you very much. | ||
| I want to bring in Mark Levin, the great one, calls my following guest the Nostradamus of lawyers because he's had so many called shots about the lawfare against President Trump. | ||
| He spent his career defending the Constitution. | ||
| Professor Dershowitz, You basically called this in your book, Get Trump, you kind of laid out what was going to happen in Georgia. | ||
| But yesterday, I just got to ask your opinion. | ||
| Somebody's defending the Constitution. | ||
| This is such buffoonery. | ||
| They put out the indictment even before they brought the last 10 jurors in. | ||
| Then they panicked. | ||
| They took it down. | ||
| It was a court filing. | ||
| They already had a case number, a judge assigned. | ||
| They had to scramble all day. | ||
| In the dead of night, they had to have a press conference to open the thing because they knew they had to get it done yesterday because they'd already released the decision before the grand jury had even voted. | ||
| And then to top it all off, they put out all the names of the grand jury participants. | ||
| I mean, this is just full buffoonery. | ||
| But it shows you these are republic-ending types of actions because this is when we go to a total banana republic. | ||
| Professor Dershowitz. | ||
| Well, the fact that they were willing to put the indictment on the website before the grand jurors voted proves something that any of us who have had experience in criminal law know. | ||
| The grand jury is meaningless. | ||
| They're 23 or whatever number it is chairs that the prosecution moves around. | ||
| If the prosecutor wants an indictment, she gets an indictment. | ||
| So nobody should say, oh my God, A grand jury, 23 people, looked at the evidence and they said there was enough to indict. | ||
| Ignore it. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| The grand jury didn't decide anything. | ||
| They rubber-stamped something that the prosecutor put before them. | ||
| And the best evidence is, the prosecutor was so confident, she was willing to put it on her website even before the vote took place. | ||
| You know, it's Alice in Wonderland. | ||
| Verdict first, execution, and then trial. | ||
| That's what we're having here. | ||
| It's such an undercutting of our Constitution. | ||
| I predicted this all in Get Trump, and I predict there'll be some convictions. | ||
| I think the strategy is to get bad convictions, but to get them fast in New York, in Florida, in Washington, and in Fulton County. | ||
| Then they'll be reversed on appeal, but they'll be reversed on appeal. | ||
| After the election. | ||
| That's why everybody's rushing to get these cases tried. | ||
| We now know that they want it tried within six months in Georgia. | ||
| They want a trial in January in Washington, D.C. | ||
| They want a trial in May in Florida. | ||
| New York has been willing to put it off, but they're going to get on the bandwagon, too. | ||
| Everybody who is going after Trump, the whole get Trump approach is to get him before the election, convict him before the election, and he wins on appeal. | ||
| All right, that's tomorrow's news. | ||
| She's doing a RICO case right now, I think, with gang members. | ||
| I think there's a half a dozen. | ||
| I think they've been six or nine months in jury selection. | ||
| I mean, to physically do what she wants to do, it's all buffoonery, but to physically do what she wants to do wouldn't take years to actually... I mean, how do you control 18 lawyers that have individual clients or have a couple of clients in this? | ||
| How do you do it? | ||
| She wants to do it together. | ||
| She wants one trial. | ||
| I've done Hundreds of these kinds of cases over my 60 years. | ||
| I've never seen a RICO case tried within six months of the indictment. | ||
| Usually it's a year or two or sometimes even longer. | ||
| If this case were on a normal schedule, it wouldn't come to trial until well after the election. | ||
| The same thing is true of the Washington DC case. | ||
| This will be a logistical nightmare because lawyers will be arguing with each other. | ||
| There'll be conflicts of interest. | ||
| There'll be ongoing attempts by the DA to flip some of the indicted and some of the unindicted co-conspirators. | ||
| And one of the worst messages of this indictment is, watch out lawyers, we're after you. | ||
| You know, they say the first thing that tyrants do is first they get the lawyers, then they stop free speech. | ||
| And that's tragically what the woke hard left is doing here. | ||
| They're going after lawyers. | ||
| They filed a bar charge against me because I questioned whether or not machines in Arizona should be transparent and should disclose the mechanism so that experts can examine them. | ||
| They're going after any lawyer, not only who represented Trump, but who speaks out on behalf of Trump. | ||
| And it's terrorizing lawyers. | ||
| Lawyers have told me they will not represent Donald Trump. | ||
| They'd like to, but they don't want to be Dershowitzed. | ||
| They don't want to be attacked and condemned and have their careers questioned because they support the Constitution. | ||
| We are in a constitutional crisis. | ||
| You know, on my on my podcast, I award bananas. | ||
| Before yesterday, we were up to two or three. | ||
| I now think we're up to at least four on a scale of 10 on Banana Republic. | ||
| And it's a worry. | ||
| We're not there, but we're getting closer and closer. | ||
| And these kinds of indictments against the man who is leading The campaign against the incumbent president, the leading candidate, that's what they do in banana republics. | ||
| In Ecuador they shoot him. | ||
| In the United States they indict him. | ||
| When we say constitutional crisis, walk me through that. | ||
| What is the constitutional crisis you believe we're facing right now? | ||
| Constitution permits voters to decide who the president should be through the electoral college. | ||
| They don't allocate that responsibility. | ||
| To prosecutors, to jurors, to judges. | ||
| There are now attempts to try to disqualify, and they'll increase after this indictment, to try to disqualify Trump from running under the 14th Amendment, which says that you can't hold office if you've been involved in an insurrection or a rebellion. | ||
| The 14th Amendment was intended to cover people who fought in the Civil War. | ||
| It was not intended to cover future elections 150 or 80 years later. | ||
| And so what we're seeing is attempts to Misuse and weaponize the Constitution for partisan purposes. | ||
| And I think people are going to reject that. | ||
| And there's going to be a crisis. | ||
| It'll start out in the courts. | ||
| It'll start out in the legislatures. | ||
| But, you know, tragically, in these kinds of situations, often they move to the streets. | ||
| And, you know, what's worse about this indictment is this indictment accuses all these lawyers of pursuing the right path to challenge an election. | ||
| The right path is to come up with an alternative slate of electors to try to convince the people in the state that the election was false, to go to court. | ||
| That's the right way. | ||
| The wrong way is to go out on the streets, but an indictment like this says, hey, if you use the right approach, if you try to get an alternate slate of electors, if you go to court, we're going to indict you. | ||
| We're going to indict you. | ||
| We're going to put you in jail. | ||
| We're going to impose mandatory prison terms under RICO. | ||
| I don't believe this will be upheld on appeal, but the risk to lawyers and the amount of money they have to pay to defend themselves is going to be enough to discourage taking the right legal path to challenge elections. | ||
| In 1800, the election was challenged. | ||
| The Tilden Hayes election was challenged. | ||
| I was part of the conspiracy of 1920. | ||
| I'm sorry, 2000. | ||
| I was part of the group that was challenging Bush versus Gore. | ||
| I still to this day, hand to God, believe that Florida should have gone to Al Gore and he should have been the president. | ||
| That's my view. | ||
| You can disagree, but nobody's threatened me yet with imprisonment for having taken that view. | ||
| I was joined by Professor Lawrence Tribe, who is now a leader of the campaign to get Trump. | ||
| He was part of the campaign to try to undo the election of 2000, which we all thought was improper because of the butterfly ballot, the hanging chads. | ||
| You remember all of that. | ||
| That's part of America. | ||
| In 1960, the election was challenged. | ||
| In 2016, Jamie Raskin got up on the floor of Congress and challenged the election. | ||
| My former student, a congressman. | ||
| How do you distinguish these cases? | ||
| Stacey Abrams challenged her election, initially refused to concede. | ||
| She brought challenges. | ||
| How do you distinguish this case from American history of challenging elections? | ||
| That's part of our system under the Constitution. | ||
| Professor Dershowitz, how did they get to your podcast? | ||
| How did we get to the book? | ||
| How did you get to all your writings? | ||
| Because you're in it now. | ||
| This thing is going to go next level of intensity. | ||
| Bookstores won't carry Get Trump. | ||
| They don't like the title. | ||
| They don't like the concept. | ||
| Book fairs won't allow me to sell my books there. | ||
| The only way you can get Get Trump, which has been a bestseller on Amazon, is to go to Amazon or one of the online stations. | ||
| Otherwise, you're not going to be able to find it. | ||
| It's Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. | ||
| It's called The Dirt Show and it's on YouTube and it's on Rumble and I analyze every time I'm on. | ||
| I analyze the legal issues and in my book Get Trump I went through all of these four indictments and I made predictions about them and so far my predictions have been correct. | ||
| So, you know, I think the best way to My fight against the Get Trump mentality is to buy my book Get Trump. | ||
| That will show that people are listening, people are watching, people are looking at you. | ||
| You can't get away with this kind of unconstitutional attack on our values. | ||
| Professor Dershowitz, fight on, sir. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Professor Alan Dershowitz. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| Back in a moment. | ||
| 2016 campaign for president, Hillary Rodham Clinton, warned Americans about this particular choice as the Republicans' presidential nominee, about what specifically he planned to do to our democracy. | ||
| He went on to win that election in 2016, of course, and now here we are with a multiply indicted former President Trump. | ||
| Okay, hang on. | ||
| and a democracy that frankly has not looked this fragile in well more than a century. | ||
| All over the country right now, people are wondering what Hillary Rodham Clinton is thinking watching things unfold in Georgia. | ||
| She is the former Democratic presidential nominee, US Senator from New York and Secretary of State. | ||
| I should tell you, she has a new essay out in the Atlantic on the well-being of Americans in our democracy. | ||
| It's called The Weaponization of Loneliness. | ||
| Okay, hang on. | ||
| Madam- Hang on. | ||
| I've gotta figure out how to play that because The Weaponization of Loneliness, she gives yours truly, your humble servant here, a big shout out of 2016 and beyond. | ||
| So again, you hear that cackle? | ||
| I miss that cackle. | ||
| I could watch Hillary Clinton and Rachel Maddow all night, right? | ||
| Hate watch. | ||
| Hey Hillary, how's that presidency coming out for you? | ||
| How are the drapes? | ||
| What'd you do with those drapes you had measured for the Oval Office? | ||
| Every night when I go to bed, I had a tiny part in keeping Merrick Garland off of the Supreme Court and Hillary Clinton away from the White House. | ||
| Yes, some would think that's a pretty good life's work, right? | ||
| Mike Davis, this fiasco, this is, this is, yesterday was, I think, emblematic of where this nation is. | ||
| And you've got a phrase that I think people need to embrace. | ||
| Republic ending. | ||
| Because the buffoonism we saw yesterday, where they put the indictment out, they'd already indicted these people, they'd already signed a judge and a case number, before they even brought the 10 in, and then they panicked. | ||
| They had to get it all done, you know, yesterday, because they panicked. | ||
| They're already showing the indictment. | ||
| So, Fannie Willis, Didn't even come to the stage for her press conference until I think 11.30 at night, Eastern Daylight Time. | ||
| And then, to top it all off, they put out the names of the grand jurors in another administrative error. | ||
| Mike Davis, you've had a chance to go through this. | ||
| Give me your professional assessment of this indictment, sir. | ||
| So I've gone back through it and read it. | ||
| Again, and I would say what I said before, it is loud, it is long, and it is lawless. | ||
| It is utter buffoonery by Fulton County DA Fannie Willis, another Democrat hack prosecutor in this lawfare campaign to get President Trump that started a year ago with the Mar-a-Lago raid, Alvin Bragg's indictment for the non-crime of a businessman settling a nuisance claim, Jack Smith's indictment for the non-crime of a former president having his presidential records, which is allowed by the Presidential Records Act, Jack Smith's indictment of President | ||
| Trump for the non-crime of a presidential candidate objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and the First Amendment. | ||
| Now Fannie Willis, the Michael Avenatti of this all, brings the biggest buffoonery of them all with this, with this indictment of President Trump, 18 of his lawyers and advisors, 41 felonies in Georgia for the non-crime of objecting to a presidential election and twisting arms politically. | ||
| They're alleging a RICO conspiracy down in Georgia. | ||
| That's the law that we used to take down the mob. | ||
| Now Democrats are using RICO to take out a rival political party, including the leading presidential candidates. | ||
| And they're using nonsensical, factual, a nonsensical factual basis, the overt acts | ||
| That Fannie Willis is alleging for this RICO conspiracy to subvert democracy, apparently, is that she's alleging meetings and tweets and just purely political protected speech, core political speech that she's alleging is part of a RICO conspiracy, the overt acts of a RICO conspiracy. | ||
| It is such a joke of a legal theory, but the problem is that it's so damaging to America. | ||
| It's so damaging to our Republic. | ||
| The Supreme Court will almost certainly, I mean, I know they will, they're going to overturn this nonsense by Fannie Willis, but it may not happen before November 7th, 2024. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
| You have Jack Smith, who was brought in before ahead of the public integrity section of the justice department he was brought in before two thousand sixteen to take out virginia governor bob mcdonnell former virginia governor who was a likely presidential or vice presidential candidate for republicans and all bombers uh... you know the eric holder no but all bombers send in jack smith as there's as their scud missile to take out bob mcdonnell the supreme court later | ||
| overturned his criminal conviction it's a nothing it would have been ninety nothing but justice calia passed away it is very hard to get over a criminal conviction overturned by the supreme court It's nearly impossible for that to happen unanimously, but Jack Smith found the way. | ||
| He didn't care because the mission was accomplished to take out a Republican presidential candidate. | ||
| He got banished to the Hague and he was a, you know, some BS Hague prosecutor, judge, whatever the hell he was in the Hague. | ||
| But Merrick Garland and Joe Biden brought back this buffoon to run the same play against Donald Trump. | ||
| They're trying to take him out legally because they fear they can't beat him on November 7, 2024, and then they have these dumb prosecutors across the country. | ||
| You have Alvin Bragg, George Soros-funded Manhattan DA. | ||
| You have Fannie Willis down in the hellhole of Atlanta. | ||
| You have Tish James, the New York Attorney General, charging Trump for fraud, civil fraud, for the non-fraud of a businessman paying back sophisticated banks in full with interest. | ||
| And that's somehow fraud. | ||
| That's the problem is they're running this law for, I think the American people are waking up to it, which is a good thing. | ||
| If you just hang through the break, I want to ask you about the timing of all this. | ||
| They are waking up to it. | ||
| I think that this only, as you said, empowers Trump for his second term. | ||
| Mike Davis, Leader of Michigan, will stick with us. | ||
| We're going to leave you in this hour with Saginaw, Michigan, and we are going to return after a short commercial break. | ||
| The second hour will be more lit than the first. | ||
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