Aug. 11, 2023 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies. | ||
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Because we're going medieval on these people. | |
| You're not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
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MAGA Media. | |
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | |
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Babb. | |
| And Jackie, again, talking about what the tragedy is. | ||
| The tragedy that happened in Utah, it's not just the conspiracy against. | ||
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Thanks. | |
| against Joe Biden and against Democrats that's so deadly here. | ||
| It's this constant attack against the FBI. | ||
| Since the FBI has been forced to investigate, Donald Trump getting his documents. | ||
| You know, they tried to get the FBI agents' names so they could be threatened. | ||
| And there was, you know, news stories about this fevered pitch hunt to unmask the FBI agents that actually did the search. | ||
| But doesn't this show the cost of telling people, whether it's on Fox News or coming for Donald Trump, that the FBI is coming after you? | ||
| They're coming to knock down the doors of your home and they're coming to shoot you. | ||
| So you hear that time and time and time again when you make a threat against the President of the United States and the FBI comes to check it out. | ||
| You know, your gun's up. | ||
| Like, again, hard not to look at all of these lies and these conspiracy theories against the FBI and not say they were responsible for the death of this man. | ||
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I think it's really smart and necessary to look at all of these attacks in that context. | |
| No one comes into Donald Trump's incinerator without being tarnished in some way, from the insurrectionists who are all charged for going and storming the Capitol on January 6th at Trump's behest, to now the weaponization campaign that Congress is running in order to defend Trump against the FBI and the Justice Department. | ||
| All of these have real-life consequences. | ||
| I mean, talking about defunding the FBI. | ||
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I mean, it's anathema to the Republican Party and everything that conservatives have stood for for quite some time up until Trump. | |
| But, I mean, when you look at the trail that Trump has left in his wake, it's really important, I think, to talk about these sorts of cases and kind of lump them in. | ||
| And show that rhetoric matters. | ||
| At the end of the day, you know, leveling all of these threats against Alvin Bragg, Thonny Willis, we're just waiting for Tanya Chukin to get thrown into the mix there. | ||
| They have consequences. | ||
| And the FBI is just trying to do their jobs here, despite whatever spin we're inevitably going to hear in right-wing media today about sort of how, again, these talking points that the FBI is Uh, you know, a tool of the Biden administration and has been weaponized. | ||
| There's been some question over whether or not the governor of the state of Utah would welcome the president of a different party. | ||
| I think it's insane that we are having those conversations. | ||
| I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't take the governor of Utah slobbering all over Biden. | ||
| Uh, Friday, 11 August, year of our Lord 2023, uh, Jack Posobiec, they're just trying to do their job. | ||
| You're seeing now a full on full court press. | ||
| uh by corporate media to basically cover up let me be blunt a cold-blooded assassination of an elderly kind of hapless guy who yes talk smack on facebook and says some things are quite inappropriate on facebook a cold-blooded assassination by The regime in the administrative states, Gestapo, the FBI. | ||
| And if this does not cause these guys to be defunded and let Biden shut the government down on midnight, September 30th, because of this and other things we're gonna get into today, Jack Posobiec. | ||
| Walk us through the details about this because you're the first guy really to get, you and I talked, we didn't believe it when it first happened that this was legit. | ||
| You were the first guy that really went out yesterday, started walking people through it. | ||
| Just for people who are not up to speed on the story, just tell us what happened here so we have at least the facts that the neighbors have talked about, we know, because the FBI is holding back any information, sir. | ||
| That's right, Steve. | ||
| So I've got the affidavit that was filed by the Department of Justice, the criminal complaint. | ||
| I've got these witness statements from the neighbors. | ||
| Obviously, the video you just played very harrowing video there in a basically a sleepy neighborhood of Provo, Utah. | ||
| Provo, Utah, not exactly known as a hotbed of extremism. | ||
| This is a LDS area, this is a pretty calm area, middle class, well-to-do type folks. | ||
| At 6.15 in the morning, the FBI, Mountain Time, two days ago now, He's conducted a pre-dawn raid of a 75-year-old, 300-pound man who we now know is largely homebound, has trouble walking without a cane. | ||
| He actually has a cane that he designed for himself. | ||
| A churchgoer, he's a frequent member of his local church, and he's known for making... He works in carpentry, and so he makes ramps for disabled folks in the neighborhood, like a woman that lived down the street. | ||
| He organized some folks together. | ||
| to help them put together a ramp, which by the way is a very common thing within the LDS community to do, building something for someone in the community. It's very, very common, very community focused. And the FBI raided his home serving search warrants on essentially search and arrest warrants for threats against the president, interstate threats against federal officials, and showed up there. | ||
| You can hear banging on the door screaming a flashbang or smoke grenade goes off. | ||
| It's kind of hard to tell exactly what it is just from the footage that we have. | ||
| The footage then cuts off. | ||
| The witnesses then tell us that a hail of bullets, a barrage of bullets was then fired by the FBI squad. | ||
| And you can see in that video, that is an FBI SWAT vehicle, a Bearcat that's come up with them. | ||
| They are rolling in a very strong heavy force operation into this area. | ||
| But when you go through the actual details of this, it shows that this man had been identified to law enforcement all the way back in March for some posts that he had been making. | ||
| And to be clear, the posts that he was making, extremely inflammatory, they are the type of posts where you would expect a knock on the door. | ||
| All right, you're going to expect a knock on the door. | ||
| You're going to get a visit. | ||
| You're going to get a visit. | ||
| And they did visit him. | ||
| They followed him to church. | ||
| They saw that he got into his vehicle with another man from church. | ||
| They drove out afterwards. | ||
| He wore a suit to church. | ||
| But then it says they spoke to him at his home after church that day, back in March, when they confronted him. | ||
| And he yelled at them, but at the end said, they were just posts. | ||
| I was talking about a dream I had. | ||
| And then slammed the door in their faces. | ||
| And so there was no violence in that earlier interaction whatsoever. | ||
| And then you have the FBI show up like this, triggering a reaction that they got where they tell him, they've now said later that he was showing a gun, brandishing a gun when they showed up at his house in this pre-dawn raid. | ||
| And after they saw that firearm, they opened fire. | ||
| It's the, it's the neighbors that have said this was over the top. | ||
| It scared the neighbors. | ||
| They said they couldn't believe the show of force. | ||
| I think one of them said hundreds, I'm afraid too many, but hundreds. Go ahead. | ||
| And not only that, Steve, we're told that after he was shot and killed inside his home, they drug his body outside into the street, attempted to resuscitate him. | ||
| It was unsuccessful and then they left his body lying there in the street and there there are some photos of this Some that have been blurred that have been released Where his body was was bled out and late left on the street there with this is a neighborhood with children for over two hours Two hours. | ||
| Some of the things he said were so inflammatory, I think there's a report that even the Truth Social team actually alerted the FBI. | ||
| We're not making any excuses for the inflammatory language he used. | ||
| He did use inflammatory language. | ||
| And he was visited by the FBI, which he told them, hey, I'm just posting stuff. | ||
| You know, I had a dream. | ||
| He's 300 pounds. | ||
| He's totally immobile. | ||
| One of the neighbors mocked the FBI saying, to think that this guy could go down and shoot Joe Biden is ridiculous. | ||
| He came to get out of the house. | ||
| The pictures you see, the photos you see, that he's taking his time to build ramps for people, he can barely stand. | ||
| Every picture you got, he's leaning over something. | ||
| This guy is almost completely, he's completely immobile. | ||
| And why is the FBI? | ||
| What we need immediately is we need the body cams. | ||
| Because here's what's odd. | ||
| They say he came after the flashbang. | ||
| He came to the door. | ||
| He was brandishing a weapon. | ||
| And the neighbors say then a hail of gunfire that shocked the neighborhood took this guy down. | ||
| But then they had to go to get the body in the house. | ||
| Does that mean he got shot and fell back in the house? | ||
| Does that mean he was still in the house? | ||
| Then they dragged him out. | ||
| They tried to resuscitate him. | ||
| We don't know how long. | ||
| And it looked like he got hit by so many bullets, he's probably dead immediately. | ||
| They tried to resuscitate. | ||
| Then, to desecrate the body, they allowed the body to stay right there on the pavement in a neighborhood with children. | ||
| They put a blanket or something over it, but he bled out all over there. | ||
| Desecrated the body. | ||
| Let him just lay there for two hours. | ||
| Jack Pasovic. | ||
| We're also told that the gentleman has a blind son, obviously an older blind son now, that is disabled, that he takes care of, some of the neighbors reaching out, and really, one of the biggest pieces of this Is the neighbors and their statements that have all come forward saying that this this was actually a very beloved man within the community They said sure he posted cranky stuff We all knew about it, but he was the first guy to help you out if you needed something He made because of his carpentry skills. | ||
| He made toys for kids in the in the area around Christmas time Was well known well liked at his church was could be seen helping his blind son find a place to sit that he helps him out get him around and Not sure exactly what's gonna happen with that son. | ||
| He's got a couple of other kids, wife pre-deceased. | ||
| And so the neighbors have almost unilaterally, just every single one of them, every single one of them, or I should say unanimously, reached out and said they can't believe that the FBI would have targeted a guy like this because they said these were obviously inflammatory statements, but he would never actually do anything like this. | ||
| Even so far as the family releasing a statement, a very lengthy statement last night, which I posted up On all my social media, essentially attesting to the exact same kind of character of the man who was involved. | ||
| And another piece of this, Steve, that's very confusing to people, and I would respond to what Morning Joe was saying, because they're blaming this on Donald Trump, they're saying it's all Trump. | ||
| He'd actually been posting like this for over a decade, believe it or not, on Facebook. | ||
| uh... he had to get post like this about obama he had post like this about the numerous other individuals and and i don't think they were you know very uh... you're very wouldn't not a lot of engagement we would say in the social media community uh... not exactly uh... running uh... you know raising an army behind him to do whatever it is that he was saying that he's doing in these in these No, he couldn't even physically. | ||
| He couldn't even physically do it. | ||
| And what happened to change the stance of the FBI from this entire decade to rolling up the way they did now? | ||
| It's, it's very simple. | ||
| They use this as a show of force. | ||
| This is exactly what they're trying to do to the Catholics. | ||
| They're trying to put America on notice, right? | ||
| You get out of line. | ||
| You're going to bleed out on the sidewalk in front of your house. | ||
| This was a cold-blooded assassination, and Ray ought to be called in. | ||
| They should not approve any FBI budget if they get to the bottom of all this. | ||
| This was an angry guy. | ||
| He put up a lot of stuff over a lot of years that was inappropriate, totally inappropriate. | ||
| That doesn't mean you send a massive, up-armored SWAT team and assassinate him. | ||
| It was an assassination. | ||
| The assassination. | ||
| That's where they will release the body cam. | ||
| You're going to see this guy taken out. | ||
| This is unacceptable. | ||
| And this is the regime you've got. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| No, I said yesterday on the show that just my opinion here is that this was a show of force and that this was a message being sent. | ||
| If you threaten us, if you come for us, if you say you're going to take us out, we're going to take you out. | ||
| Something's changed, Steve. | ||
| Something has absolutely changed. | ||
| No. | ||
| Connect this to the Catholic situation that Ray lied about, perjured himself about. | ||
| Short break. | ||
| We're going to keep Poso. | ||
| $20 billion to Ukraine. | ||
| I'm not kidding you. | ||
| The Ukraine thing. | ||
| Ukraine can't even find their own young men to fight at the front now because they know it's a slaughterhouse. | ||
| The Cherno House. | ||
| $20 billion of your money is about to go over there. | ||
| Additionally. | ||
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Next. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bamm. | ||
| Just been handed some polling from the Rasmussen guys, Mark Mitchell and team, about Merrick Garland. | ||
| The American people don't think very highly of him. | ||
| Let me summarize, let me give you the newsflash. | ||
| We'll try to get into that maybe a little later. | ||
| Jack Posobiec, this is quite serious. | ||
| The left's response on this, the joyous response of the left on this. | ||
| Walk me through, what are they trying to do here? | ||
| Well, Steve, it's very clear. | ||
| So not only is this a message, not only was this a massive show of force of the regime, but Steve, if you've been out there on Twitter, if you've been out there on social media looking at this, the left is cheering. | ||
| The left is celebrating this, right? | ||
| They have an acronym that I'm not going to spell out for people, but it's FAFO. | ||
| F-A-F-O. | ||
| That's every response I'm seeing to this. | ||
| These were posts, and they're saying, and I've seen people saying stuff like, you see what they did to Craig Robertson? | ||
| You see what they did to Ashley Babbitt? | ||
| You're next. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| This is what the left wants. | ||
| The furthest of the left. | ||
| They're not interested in making policy, making good plans for the country. | ||
| This is tribal warfare. | ||
| They want to defeat the right. | ||
| They want to see the biggest names on the right. | ||
| Names like Steve Bannon, names like Jack Posobiec, like Charlie Kirk, etc. | ||
| Alex Jones, etc. | ||
| They would love If the headline were to come out the next day, that the FBI had rolled up to the war room, to human events, or any of these places, and one of us, Mark Hauk, look what they did to Mark Hauk, you know, what if he had been brandishing an extremist rosary, right? | ||
| They would be celebrating this. | ||
| And they say it's so sad, it's so sad that we had to do this, right? | ||
| You know, Joe up there, morning Joe. | ||
| It's so sad that the FBI, the poor FBI, had to do this to the very dangerous community threat of this 75-year-old, 300-pound man. | ||
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No, Steve. | |
| What they're doing is they're going full mask off. | ||
| This is the same left that just said that Andy Ngo can't get any type, any type of legal resolution for the attacks, the harassment, the slander, the actual violence that's done to him. | ||
| And then we'll turn and bring state violence right into your house, right up in your grill at 615 in the morning. | ||
| You're getting woken up. | ||
| You have no idea what's going on at your front door. | ||
| All right. | ||
| They could have stopped this guy. | ||
| Anytime. | ||
| They could have stopped him when he was going to church. | ||
| They could have pulled him over. | ||
| They could have done a number of things, right? | ||
| They could have done plenty of things. | ||
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It would have been safer for the FBI, too. | |
| And safer for the neighborhood. | ||
| Thank God there was no kids running around, you know, at 615. | ||
| 615. No but they're, but hold it, they want to do it because they want the neighbors, they want the neighbors to understand. You get cranky, you get assassinated. | ||
| And not just the Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon, Jack Posobiec. | ||
| More importantly, it's the halks and the traditional Catholics, right? | ||
| You saw the memo which they lied about. | ||
| The hobbits. | ||
| This is about the hobbits. | ||
| They're sending a signal to the hobbits. | ||
| You get out of line, you put up some inflammatory rhetoric, this is what's going to happen to you. | ||
| You're going to bleed out on that sidewalk. | ||
| And by the way, when we're told the FBI's running operations in Portland, the FBI's running operations in multiple field offices around the country targeting traditional Catholics, now we've got the FBI saying that they tailed him to an LDS church service. | ||
| Well, are they going to be looking at that service? | ||
| Are they going to be slipping people into that service? | ||
| Are they going to be looking around for other Craig Robertsons? | ||
| So now you've got the Mormons involved, right? | ||
| Now they're going after the Mormons, too. | ||
| See, Steve, this is how it always starts. | ||
| They always say it's the churches first. | ||
| They come for the churches. | ||
| We went out to L.A. | ||
| when they were coming for the sisters, when they were coming for the nuns. | ||
| You are getting to a situation where we have a Bolshevik Revolution, a Spanish Civil War situation coming under color of law. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| Amen. | ||
| By the way, we don't have time for it. | ||
| Maybe later. | ||
| Morning Joe, for I think seven or nine minutes, goes after the evangelical Christians today. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Christian nationalists, right? | ||
| It's all Christian nationalists. | ||
| Christian nationalists and they're good evangelicals, these liberals. | ||
| I've only got you for so much time. | ||
| I want to go, I've got a couple minutes because I want to play this great song that just came out from Farmville, Virginia. | ||
| My beloved Commonwealth, Virginia. | ||
| The song is amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Jack, Ukraine. | ||
| The Spring Offensive is collapsing. | ||
| The battlefield commanders are stopping it because the kids are getting slaughtered in the Ukrainian army. | ||
| This is not happening. | ||
| And Biden sits there and says $20 billion, $13 billion for military aid, $8 billion to pay their bills, to pay their pensions that you ain't getting at home. | ||
| right? To pay the full medical you're not getting at home. | ||
| Jack Pasoba, give me your assessor, give me a couple of minutes on this Ukraine situation and the tar baby that the Biden regime has now. Look Steve, and people need to understand that if you go back to those early days of the war room, those early days of human events when we were talking about this, we explained that if you escalate this situation it will turn into a charnel house. | ||
| It will turn into an absolute meat grinder. | ||
| These are the bloodlands of Eastern Europe. | ||
| This is Slavic warfare. | ||
| Neither side's going to quit. | ||
| Neither side's going to go easy. | ||
| They're going to keep fighting. | ||
| They're going to keep throwing young men into this until there is, there is no one left, right? | ||
| This is how that warfare goes in that part of the world. | ||
| And it's been going on for hundreds of years if not longer. We explained very early on, very early on, that this is what was going to happen. That the Russians would come in, establish concrete lines, they would set up their defenses, and then they would turn it into what? A war of attrition. | ||
| You had all these planners, all these geniuses, all the bean counters in the Pentagon saying, how come they're not fighting like us? | ||
| How come they're not doing the Thunder Runs, the Blitzkrieg operations that we would be doing in Iraq, etc. | ||
| Why aren't they doing this? | ||
| That's not how they fight. | ||
| They fight inch by inch by inch, and they're just going to slowly roll it up, Anaconda, boa constrictor style, to take what is coming. | ||
| Because at the end of the day, If you get into a war of attrition, it just comes down to numbers. | ||
| And because Russia has done something which is the opposite of the United States. | ||
| Because for 30 years, we've taken away the production element of our country. | ||
| We've done this really throughout almost all of the EU as well, all the NATO nations. | ||
| Germany was the only one holding on to a little bit of a manufacturing base, but now without the cheap gas they were getting through Nord Stream, let's see how long that stays. | ||
| They're going to lose their auto industry next, right? | ||
| The great Mercedes, Naudi, and all that. | ||
| That's all going away. | ||
| Or just going off to China, which of course the Chinese love. | ||
| No, but Russia has said, we're not just going to be a consumption service economy. | ||
| We're going to have the natural resources, we're going to maintain manufacturing, we're going to do it all in-house. | ||
| So when the sanctions hit, they didn't understand what was going on because Russia had been planning for this for 30 years. | ||
| They put their economy on this footing Let me give you a note right now. | ||
| become autonomous. We are the ones, we are the ones who are sucked into this. We are the ones getting depleted right now. They're the ones that are actually being, not just Ukraine, but all of NATO. | ||
| Let me give you a note right now. Bloomberg is reporting the Russian economy is going to grow 4.6% this quarter. That is going to, by the end of the year, completely rebound to pre-war levels. | ||
| And this is when we try to take down their central bank. | ||
| This is when we try to destroy the currency. | ||
| This is when we swept all of their dollar reserves that were held in American money center banks. | ||
| With all that, 18 months ago, we went to full war. | ||
| We went to more economic war against the Russians than we ever did against the Nazis or Imperial Japan, ever. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Jack, we gotta bounce. | ||
| Your stuff's been amazing. | ||
| We gotta spend more time on this. | ||
| Biden also called the Chinese economy yesterday a ticking time bomb. | ||
| Hello? | ||
| Then why don't you decouple, bro? | ||
| Jack Posobiec, how do people get to you on all your social media, and particularly the amazing show you've got that follows Charlie Kirk? | ||
| You get five hours of unlimited populist nationalism in a row here on Real America's Voice. | ||
| You're up at two o'clock. | ||
| How do people get the show? | ||
| How do they get to you on social media? | ||
| That's absolutely right. | ||
| Thank you, Steve. | ||
| See, that's right. | ||
| We're all up on Charlie Kirk, or after Charlie Kirk, 2 p.m. | ||
| Human Events will be live today. | ||
| We're going to have more details on this FBI situation in Utah, more details from the family. | ||
| We've got a couple of interviews coming in. | ||
| Evita Duffy is going to be joining us. | ||
| It's going to be a great episode. | ||
| Everybody needs to tune in. | ||
| And then, of course, Facebook, social, Rumble, all the social medias, we're there every day. | ||
| Jack's always ahead of it. | ||
| First guy on this Utah thing. | ||
| At the very first moment, he texts me right away, says, hey, this is not right. | ||
| Something's up. | ||
| Pasovic, on Ukraine, China, all of it. | ||
| You're always ahead of the curve. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| One of the outstanding young men in our nation, Jack Pasovic. | ||
| OK, Oliver Anthony from my beloved Commonwealth of Virginia. | ||
| A song, this is our celebration. | ||
| This is a modern song. | ||
| Just right hot off the, hot off just made. | ||
| Rich men. | ||
| North of Richmond. | ||
| He lives in Farmville, Virginia. | ||
| We're gonna give you a taste now, play full of it at the end of the hour. | ||
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These rich men, oh the rich men, Lord knows they all just wanna have total control. | |
| Wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do. | ||
| And they don't think you know, but I know that you do. | ||
| Cause your dollar ain't sh**, and it's taxed to no end. | ||
| Don't the rich men, don't the rich men I wish politicians would look out for miners And not just miners on an island somewhere Lord, we got folks in the street ain't got nothing to eat, and the obese milking welfare. | ||
| Well, God, if you're five foot three and you're three hundred pounds, taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds. | ||
| Puttin' themselves six feet in the ground. | ||
| Cause all this damn country does is keep on kickin' them down. | ||
| Lord, it's a damn shame. | ||
| What the world's gotten to. | ||
| For people like me. | ||
| People like you. | ||
| Wish I could just wake up and it not be true. | ||
| But it is. | ||
| Oh it is. | ||
| Livin' in With an old soul These rich men know the rich man lord knows they all just wanna have total control I wanna know what you think wanna know what you do and they don't think you know But I know that you do because your dollar ain't | ||
| And it's taxed to no end cause the rich men north rich men Oh Stephen K band Okay, we've got a lot going on and we're moving pieces around on the chessboard this morning We've got Tara down on the border. | ||
| We've got Ben Burquams in Kiev. | ||
| We've got to go there. | ||
| He just finished a meeting with a member of the Zelensky administration, so we'll go there at the top of the hour. | ||
| Also, I think we're at Cary Lakes at the Iowa State Fair. | ||
| President Trump will be there tomorrow. | ||
| President Trump's bringing an entire contingent of the Florida congressional delegation The Matt Gaetz's and the and others, Brian Donald's and others. | ||
| I don't think Ana Paulina Luna can make it because of her. | ||
| I think she's eight months pregnant. | ||
| So I don't think she can make tomorrow for the whole that whole crew is going up there. | ||
| So a lot going on but I we got to focus on signal here. | ||
| There's an end of it. | ||
| Professor Alan Dershowitz has dedicated his life to the teaching of the Constitution to the law students at Harvard Law School, which is arguably the finest law school in the country. | ||
| And many of his students are now federal judges or you see their prosecutors. | ||
| And quite frankly, some of them come up in some of these controversial attacks on President Trump. | ||
| Dershowitz is a Democrat. | ||
| I would say a liberal Democrat. | ||
| He's been ostracized in his own community for a brave stand he took to defend the Constitution of this country in President Trump's first impeachment. | ||
| To defend the Constitution, he was eviscerated and shredded personally. | ||
| He took a courageous stand. | ||
| He said, look, yes, I'm a liberal Democrat and I didn't vote for Donald Trump and I don't support Donald Trump, but I'm standing for the Constitution. | ||
| He's then written a book, Get Trump. | ||
| Which is I still think if you want to understand the legal attacks against Donald Trump, this is the book that should be the primer. | ||
| So if you want to get caught up to speed from one of the most brilliant legal minds in our nation and someone who knows the Constitution, I think, as good as or better than anyone and has taken a principled and courageous stand to defend it. | ||
| I would recommend this book. | ||
| So, Professor Dershowitz, and I want to thank Tony Lyons at Skyhorse for connecting us. | ||
| I've got to ask you, I see this piece come out, and Drudge links to it, and it's all over. | ||
| It's a couple of conservative professors. | ||
| I guess I would say they're conservative. | ||
| They're Federalist Society. | ||
| One is at the University of, I think, the Virgin Islands or St. | ||
| Thomas. | ||
| Not exactly Harvard Law School, but, you know, he's a Federalist Society member. | ||
| And they write this piece and everybody's raving about it. | ||
| Federalist Society guys are coming. | ||
| Remember, the Federalist Society is where we got the, you know, that's kind of where we, they kind of curated the people we would look at as Trump judges. | ||
| So it's on the right. | ||
| It's a very prominent institution. | ||
| And you have these people slobbering all over this. | ||
| It essentially says, and I'm an amateur in this, I'm not, I never try to pretend to be a lawyer, that Trump's an insurrectionist. | ||
| So by the 14th Amendment, if you saw the movie Lincoln, this is what that whole fight was about. | ||
| The Civil War era thing of insurrectionists, Trump's an insurrectionist and therefore is not eligible. | ||
| Well, thank you so much. | ||
| Look, I've read the article. | ||
| It's an article that's well-researched and well-written, but completely wrong and completely ahistorical. | ||
| The 14th Amendment was part of, kind of, the Treaty of Peace of the Civil War. | ||
| It was designed to react to the Civil War. | ||
| And when it uses the word insurrection or rebellion, it means specifically the insurrection and rebellion between 1860 and 1865. | ||
| And the proof of that is the very same amendment that's cited talks about the United States not accepting any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave. | ||
| Now, obviously, there were no slaves at the end after the Civil War, so this clearly had to do with the Civil War. | ||
| It also creates no criteria for who decides who was involved in an insurrection, who makes that decision. | ||
| Is it the current president? | ||
| Is it the Supreme Court? | ||
| Is it Congress? | ||
| We just don't know. | ||
| And to show you the hypocrisy of the people who are pushing this, some of the very same people, the very same people, radical law professors on the left, particularly, I don't know about these two guys, have argued That the 14th Amendment is only restricted to the civil law. | ||
| For example, the 14th Amendment talks about the equal protection of the laws. | ||
| Now, the equal protection of the laws would say that you can't use race as an additional factor in allowing people to be admitted to colleges. | ||
| But a number of law professors on the left have said, no, no, no, you don't understand. | ||
| The equal protection of the law was written to protect enslaved black people. | ||
| It has no application to white people. | ||
| Who are trying to get equal protection in universities. | ||
| So people look at the 14th Amendment both ways. | ||
| They say, look, either it applied only to the Civil War. | ||
| That's the argument that equal protection doesn't protect white people. | ||
| Or it applies to everybody, even in the year 2023. | ||
| If you can, if somebody concludes that there was an insurrection and a rebellion and that somebody was part of it, you know, it could have excluded It could have excluded previous presidents as well who participated in demonstrations, who opposed wars, things of that kind. | ||
| It's such a vague and loose term. | ||
| And so I just don't think that there is a plausible case under the Constitution for denying Donald Trump the ability to run for president. | ||
| I think I have a constitutional right to vote against him for the third time, which I fully intend to do. | ||
| And I don't want some law professor To deny me that essential constitutional right by a stretched reading of the 14th Amendment. | ||
| So you're going to get a lot of support for it. | ||
| A lot of professors who will do anything to stop Trump will suddenly jump on this bandwagon, but it's just not historically accurate. | ||
| That's what I want to ask you. | ||
| You wrote the book, Get Trump. | ||
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| Is this just another? | ||
| Because this thing's getting this thing's getting real momentum. | ||
| And this shows you in the election interference. | ||
| They don't they're so freaked out. | ||
| Trump's, you know, the presumptive nominee on the Republican Party is dominating that he's leading Biden on all these polls. | ||
| They're freaking out. | ||
| You know, Jack Smith came out yesterday and says he wants to start the trial to January 2024, right before Iowa. | ||
| And you've got this now. | ||
| It's getting why is it getting traction? | ||
| Are they that desperate? | ||
| I think it's getting traction because it's part of the Get Trump movement. | ||
| There are people, and by the way, a lot of conservatives are part of this movement, Get Trump. | ||
| A lot of my friends are moderate conservatives who hate Trump, who think Trump is the equivalent of Hitler. | ||
| I've heard that analogy made over and over again, not only by liberals, but by Federalist conservatives. | ||
| Because remember, Federalist conservatives generally are very, very true to conservative values. | ||
| And they argue that Donald Trump is not true to conservative values. | ||
| He's something very different. | ||
| And so lots of conservatives are opposed to him, and opposed to him with real animosity. | ||
| And so it doesn't surprise me that this article is written by conservatives. | ||
| It makes it more credible, the fact that it's written by conservatives. | ||
| My question that I would ask them, maybe they won't answer it, Who did they vote for in 2020? | ||
| Did they vote for Trump or did they vote against Trump? | ||
| Being a conservative doesn't mean you're fair about Donald Trump. | ||
| As I say, as you said, I voted against Trump twice, but I cannot read the 14th Amendment to give somebody, and we don't even know who, the power to declare that a person who has 45% of the vote in current polls can't run for president. | ||
| You know what a radical step that would be? | ||
| To deny 45% of the American public, or even more perhaps, the right to vote for somebody because of a stretched interpretation of the Constitution that doesn't even provide who should make that decision. | ||
| And I would challenge, I would love to have one of you invite professors on your show to debate me. | ||
| I hereby challenge those professors to debate me in any form, in any context, and to answer the question first. | ||
| Who makes that decision? | ||
| Is it you? | ||
| Is it a group of platonic guardians, elitist professors, who decide, well, we think he engaged in rebellion, therefore we think he can't run for president. | ||
| There's nothing in the 14th Amendment that tells us who makes that decision. | ||
| There's a question now about our institutions. | ||
| I want to go back to the comment. | ||
| By the way, we will work very hard to get that debate going. | ||
| It's a debate that needs to happen and the American people need to hear it. | ||
| We need to debate this out. | ||
| The radical step, when you look at a lot of your students and people that are judges and what you fought for in defending the Constitution, where do we actually stand? | ||
| This Get Trump movement seems to be so Out of control. | ||
| It's like that scene in Man for All Seasons, where the guy says, hey, I would cut down every law in England to get the devil. | ||
| And Thomas More says, yeah, when you turn around, the devil's there. | ||
| What's going to protect you? | ||
| Because only the law that protects you. | ||
| Where are we right now? | ||
| The radical nature of this Get Trump movement. | ||
| Yeah, no, I agree with you. | ||
| And I'm not concerned like the Man for All Seasons about who will protect me. | ||
| I can protect myself. | ||
| I'm concerned about who will protect you and the American public. | ||
| Because once we eliminate the Constitution, once we start stretching the Constitution to mean what we want it to say it means, you know the best proof that it was designed for only the Civil War is the fact that nobody indicates who makes the decision. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because post-Civil War, everybody knew who was a rebel. | ||
| They wore gray hats, you know. | ||
| They had Confederate flags. | ||
| There was no doubt who was a rebel and there was no dispute about it. | ||
| But if you try to use that statute, that 14th Amendment going forward to 2023, you would need to have a decision maker. | ||
| And the fact that there is no decision maker in the 14th Amendment is absolute proof that it was intended to apply to that dispute, that rebellion, that of people only. It was not intended to be a general prohibition, because if it were a general prohibition, there would be a process by which it gets determined who's guilty of a rebellion and who's not. You can't just have a criteria of exclusion without having | ||
| some institution that makes that decision, unless it's so obvious as it was after the Civil War. | ||
| Where do we stand with all the rest of this? | ||
| Fannie Willis is now leaking to CNN. | ||
| She's going to indict 12 people on numerous charges next week in Georgia. | ||
| Focus groups are saying the American people have no earthy idea what's going on. | ||
| I mean, they've been doing these focus groups. | ||
| The American people are kind of overwhelmed. | ||
| The polling show, they may have jumped the shark, but just rule of law, legally, constitutionally, where do we stand on all this, Professor? | ||
| I think there are two issues. | ||
| One, technically, are there crimes? | ||
| Technically. | ||
| But we know that, what? | ||
| 90% of crimes that are committed and never prosecuted, prosecutorial discretion determines who gets prosecuted. | ||
| And I think when you have the president of the United States telling friends and then it being leaked to the New York Times, we think that Garland is going too slow. | ||
| He's acting like a ponderous judge. | ||
| We want, this is the president saying, we want Trump prosecuted for January 6th. | ||
| When you have a prosecution that is initiated by the president against the Leading candidate against him. | ||
| It has to be Cesar's White. | ||
| It has to be the strongest case possible in front of the fairest jury and the fairest judge. | ||
| Everything is the opposite of that. | ||
| This is an extraordinarily weak case in a jurisdiction that is 90%, 95% anti-Trump in front of a judge who should be recused because of her prior connections to Hunter Biden, to a law firm that has been This is the worst possible combination of circumstances. | ||
| You know, on my podcast, I give bananas out. | ||
| We're up to two bananas now. | ||
| Ecuador is 10 bananas. | ||
| They just murdered a man running for president there. | ||
| We're up to two bananas, but we're getting close to three and four bananas on a Banana Republic scale. | ||
| We're not there. | ||
| And I want to preserve our rule of law and the integrity of our legal system. | ||
| But when the president of the United States tells friends he wants the primary person running against him to be indicted quickly and forcefully, you get a banana for that. | ||
| Because he said he's a danger to the democracy. | ||
| Remember, the New York Times leak was a very targeted leak. | ||
| Mike Davis and I went through this. | ||
| Bring that up. | ||
| There's a very targeted leak to make sure Garland knew that he wanted a prosecution. | ||
| Professor, if you just hang for a second, we'll take a short commercial break. | ||
| Professor Alan Dershowitz, the book is Get Trump. | ||
| It's kind of your primer to this Banana Republic attack. | ||
| Well, the best way to illustrate that is to look at the Florida case. | ||
| In the Florida case, there was apparently a crime. | ||
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| Professor Dershowitz, you said there were two issues. | ||
| One are there crimes? | ||
| What's the second issue? | ||
| Well, the best way to illustrate that is to look at the Florida case. | ||
| In the Florida case, there was apparently a crime. | ||
| That is, Trump waving documents which the government claims were classified in front of unauthorized people and saying, I could have declassified this when I was president. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| They're still secret. | ||
| That technically is a crime, but it should not be prosecuted when the person commencing the prosecution is the president and the person who is being prosecuted is the leading candidate against them. | ||
| It's not a serious enough crime to warrant prosecutorial discretion. | ||
| 90% of crimes that are committed in America are not prosecuted. | ||
| Our statute books are filled, filled, filled with crimes that are committed every day. | ||
| We rely on prosecutors to exercise common sense, judgment, discretion, and political savvy. | ||
| And when you have a presidential race and one person in the race is the incumbent president who appoints the attorney general who serves at his pleasure and who communicates indirectly to him that he wants the case prosecuted, And the other person is running neck and neck with him. | ||
| You do not prosecute technical crimes like the possession of classified material. | ||
| And you don't prosecute crimes where the evidence is as weak as it is in the Washington case or the New York case, which is even worse, the worst indictment I've ever seen. | ||
| So I think there are those two criteria. | ||
| Under either of those criteria, Trump should not be prosecuted. | ||
| Reasonable people could disagree with that, but that's my strong view based on 60 years of experience as a criminal law As a professor and as a criminal lawyer. | ||
| Professor Dershowitz, how we get to your podcast, how they get the book, Get Trump, which really lays out the information people need to kind of get their sea legs in looking at this persecution. | ||
| There's only one way to get the book. | ||
| The book has been banned at book fairs, for example, in Chilmark, where I live, Martha's Vineyard. | ||
| I am the bestselling author in the history of Chilmark. | ||
| I've written the most books, sold the most books of anybody who was invited to appear at the And I just think it's a terrible, terrible mistake to do that. | ||
| And bookstores around the country don't sell it. | ||
| The book's been banned. | ||
| The book's been censored in independent bookstores. | ||
| So the only way to get it, basically, is online. | ||
| It was number one bestseller among nonfiction books on Amazon.com. | ||
| And if you keep buying it on Amazon, It will send a very strong message to the Get Trump people that we're looking at them and we're watching them and they can't get away with violating the Constitution to get Trump. | ||
| Professor, real quickly, your podcast, when can people get it and how they get it? | ||
| It's the DIRS show and it's on YouTube and on Rumble and it's live Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday from 530 to 6 and then you can watch it anytime. | ||
| At your pleasure on any of those platforms. | ||
| Thank you, Professor, and we're up to two, but we're keeping track. | ||
| We're up to two bananas in the Banana Republic scale. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Honored to have you on here. | ||
| Thanks for taking time away today. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Remember, you're going to see this everywhere now from the Federalist Society that the 14th Amendment actually says President Trump can't even run for presidency because he's an insurrectionist. | ||
| This is going to get real momentum. | ||
| We wanted you to hear it first when it first came out from Professor Dershowitz. | ||
| Mike, I've got a couple of minutes on this side and I want to hold you through, but just give us an update on the summit, brother. | ||
| Everybody's blowing my phone up about it. | ||
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Yeah, we've got a great agenda, everybody. | |
| Lou Dobbs now is going to give a speech to the nation on the first night on August 16th. | ||
| August 16th, we're bringing every state, state by state, a hope report, things that are going on in your backyard that are good and that have to do with our election platforms. | ||
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And then on August 17th, we're going to reveal the plan that is going to secure our elections immediately. | |
| And it's never been done before, never been talked about before, ever. | ||
| And anyone I've showed so far said that we should have been doing this all along. | ||
| It's amazing, everybody. | ||
| And the media must be running scared because they're doing hit jobs all over out there on the evidence I've had. | ||
| But they must be thinking we're going to show them more evidence, Steve, because we've got enough evidence. | ||
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We've been doing that for two and a half years. | |
| We're going to show, going forward, how to secure our elections immediately. | ||
| No, I know that Charlie Kirk and the team are very enthusiastic. | ||
| I just want to go back to 16 August. | ||
| That's the day they're going to lay it on 50 states, about exactly where we are. | ||
| At seven o'clock thereabouts that evening, I'll be leading a panel. | ||
| And then following that immediately, Lou Dobbs, and this is the first time Lou Dobbs has come to any of these conferences or anything since he left Fox and he's going to have a address to the country that obviously Real America's Voice, Lyndale TV, everybody's going to cover. | ||
| So it's going to be extraordinary. | ||
| I tell you, Mike, if you can just hang with me through the break, I'm going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| We're celebrating American music. | ||
| Oliver Anthony, Richmond, north of Richmond. | ||
| And I'm telling you, I think that this is going to get to be an anthem for MAGA from Farmville, Virginia, in the great Commonwealth of Virginia. | ||
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Oliver Anthony People like me, people like you wish I could just wake up and it not be true, but it is, oh it is, living in the new world with an open soul. | |
| Did rich man know the rich man, lord knows it all, just wanna have total control, wanna know what you think, wanna know what you do, and they don't think you know, but I know that you do, cause your dollar ain't no good, and it's taxed to no end, oh the rich man, oh the rich man. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| I wish politicians would look out for miners, and not just miners on an island somewhere. | ||
| Lord, we got folks in the street, ain't got nothing to eat, and the old bees milking welfare. | ||
| Well, God, if you're five foot three and you're three hundred pounds, taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds. | ||
| Young men are putting themselves six feet in the ground, cause all this damn country does is keep on kicking them down. | ||
| Lord, it's a damn shame what the world's gotten to for people like me, for people like you. | ||
| Wish I could just wake up and it not be true, but it is. | ||
| Oh, it is. |
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