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WarRoom Battleground EP 344: Ukraine Communicating With US Security
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steve bannon
This is what you're fighting for.
I mean, every day you're out there.
What they're doing is blowing people off.
If you continue to look the other way and shut up, then the oppressors, the authoritarians, get total control and total power.
Because this is just like in Arizona.
This is just like in Georgia.
It's another element that backs them into a corner and shows their lies and misrepresentations.
This is why this audience is going to have to get engaged.
As we've told you, this is the fight.
unidentified
All this nonsense, all this spin, they can't handle the truth.
War Room, Battleground.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, Monday, 31 July, Year of the Lord 2023.
Welcome back.
We've got a lot to get through and not a lot of time to do it, so we're going to jump right into it.
And I want to talk about The third world war and in the early years of it.
So I've got Ben Harnwell in Rome.
I got Lieutenant Colonel John Mills that joins us to talk about the CCP aspect of this.
Ben, I want to start with you.
And here's the reason.
Yesterday, the Mac Daddy and Drudge, and I realize Drudge is not everybody's cup of tea.
It's really become kind of an elitist support the establishment side over the last couple of years, ever since President Trump won back in 2010.
16.
But they had a mac daddy up there that was everything about the spring offensive not really getting traction and the war being taken to Russia and to Moscow by Zelensky.
Walk me through what's transpired over the last 72 hours because I believe we're in even a more dangerous zone than we've ever been in this conflict and in things this could be a one of those hinge moments Good afternoon, Steve.
ben harnwell
Well, I think that the probably one of the most in-depth accounts of the lack of progress Of the counter offensive was this article by CNN, in fact, which which you posted on your feed over the weekend headlined this for Memphis.
This, I think, is article number three that you should have headlined what Ukraine must do to win in its southern push and what Russia has in reserve.
And it's basically an article listing the fact that there's nothing going on.
I thought, Steve, that the piece of text which jumped out on the page and caught my attention here was an account from an analyst called Franz Stephan Gadi that CNN refers to as having actually been to the front lines of the war and has had extensive conversations with Ukrainian military.
And here's what Gadi has to say.
He says, it's not just about equipment.
There's no systematic pulling apart of the Russian defensive system that I could observe.
And basically the whole of the article revolves around that specific insight there.
That the Ukrainians are obviously asking more.
They're asking for F-16 jets and all the rest and what have you.
And if I have time, I want to come on to the news today, which I think is quite important, that talks have started and will start this week between Ukraine and the United States about the United States offering security guarantees that will last up until Ukraine's supposed entry into NATO, which I don't think is going to happen.
steve bannon
But hang on, I don't want to bury the lead here in the CNN piece, because the people they talked to, particularly this guy that had been to the front and spent a lot of time, it looked like, from the beginning of the Spring Offensive, he was talking about the depth of the Russian defenses, the minefields, everything, and eventually said, hey, there'd been an effort, but unlike a lot of what the Western media has been portraying,
This Spring Offensive really is not, and he made a point, I think it was him in this article, that we've been preaching on here that combined arms is very difficult.
You heard all this happy talk about air support, you heard all this talk about we're going to give them brightly fighting vehicles, we had to give them tanks, and I said, look, if you look at the Battle of Normandy, That we're honoring what?
The 79th anniversary of the last couple of months we've been talking about.
Not D-Day, but the whole battle.
This was the problem with the American Army.
The American Army had been trained to take the beach, but there wasn't enough time to train them on this quite complicated combined arms of armor and infantry and artillery and close air support.
It's incredibly It's sophisticated, it's complicated, it's maneuver warfare.
And this guy, and the article just kept saying they're not ready for it.
They do things in piecemeal, what you think an army does, we'll get Mills in here in a second, what an army does when they're not particularly well trained.
They do one part, then they do the other part.
It's not even their fault.
It takes years to do this.
Ben Harnwell.
ben harnwell
There is a phrase in here from George Baros of the Institute for the Study of War, some We're still talking from referring to this article by CNN here.
And by the way, this Institute for the Study of the War, it has actually produced some good research on the present Ukrainian conflict.
He says, we have not seen any evidence of a battalion level attack and certainly no brigade level attacks.
If the Ukrainians are indeed committing full battalions and brigades now, as reported, that would mark a clear new phase of the Ukrainian counter-offensive.
But there's no evidence of this kind of push taking place.
steve bannon
So where does this now leave us?
I mean, how do we have the backing of, how do we have the backing, they have our implied backing to actually begin an offensive into Moscow with hitting them with drones?
ben harnwell
Yeah, well, that's also, I mean, I get, you know, I've seen the headlines on this right over the weekend.
I'm not sure this is actually the first time that's happened.
It has happened again.
As it happened before, as on this occasion, there have actually been no fatalities, but it does seem to be a massive escalation on behalf of Ukraine, obviously, here.
My question, Steve, on each of those instances when drones have been sent off to attack Moscow, who supplied those drones?
Which country that is presently arming Ukraine, which country supplied the drones which are being used to penetrate right into deep into Moscow, into Russian territory?
That's a very important question.
steve bannon
I've not seen any... I can assume the answer.
Hang on for one second.
I want to bring John Mills in here.
Colonel Mills.
To Ben's first, the first couple articles he's talking about, about the spring offensive and the complexity of a combined arms maneuver warfare The Ukrainians, this shows you the lack of seriousness of people talking in Congress, in particular MSNBC and CNN.
just supplying them with tanks, supplying them with Bradley fighting vehicles, then magically, it's just not magically you have all of a sudden an army that can actually do combined arms warfare.
unidentified
The last thing you want to do in combined warfare is go up against a prepared defense, especially that has a lot of minds.
This is a prepared defense they're dealing with.
So a bunch of giddy Biden staffers on the National Security Council throwing tanks and MRAPs and Bradleys at them.
You need engineers that are prepared to breach obstacle belts like this.
You need the Miklik mine throwing charge.
That's actually done right across the river from me at Indian Head, where they test that out.
That's what you need to breach a prepared defense.
And to be honest, that's about the last thing you want to do, is go up against a prepared defense that's covered by fire.
You want to maneuver left or right.
If at all possible, you want to avoid going right into the teeth of a prepared defense that's heavy with mines.
steve bannon
National Pulse, Jack Montgomery, one of the great writers, did have a piece over the weekend that talked about, there have been some taking of territory.
So we're not saying they're not, it's quite small, but where they've actually done it is where they've had massive artillery bombardments with this state-of-the-art American artillery.
Walk our audience through that, where you have seen them have breaches, it's with this unlimited firepower that the U.S.
government has given them.
unidentified
Yeah, they're trying to go forward from Zaporizhia to cut off the isthmus that they have created in between the Donbass and the Crimea.
What they're trying to do is drive to Mariupol and cut it off.
So that the Crimea is separated.
But they're going through artillery shells just an unbelievable rate.
We only have two plants that make the 155 millimeter.
They're ancient.
They're both up in Pennsylvania.
They're very close to each other, both operated by General Dynamics, one the government owned, one is actually General Dynamics owned.
This is why we're shaking down the South Koreans for 500,000 rounds.
And then the South Koreans only did this after there was a leak of a report that was embarrassing to the South Koreans.
So they kind of got shamed.
And I know the South Korean war reserves very well.
I used to be in my, when I was in South Korea, that's something I had to watch very closely.
South Koreans have a huge war reserve and we took them down for 500,000 rounds.
Same with the Japanese. We're shaking them down for rounds.
This shows a total failure of the Secretary of Defense to ideologically will the defense industrial base into a arsenal of democracy 2.0 by lecturing them on CRT and EDI.
steve bannon
Help me out here.
How much is the 155 needed in the defense of Taiwan?
Is it not?
Do you have any problem with as much as we're basically shoveling into Ukraine right now and with our allies?
unidentified
The 155 will offer terrific support, you know, out to about 18 miles with the old rounds.
Now there's upgraded and super-duper rounds that can reach out potentially out to about 30 to 50 miles.
So that's actually a pretty basic core defense the Taiwanese will need to throw up a wall of steel when the Chinese attempt to move their hodgepodge of civilian ferries toward the Chinese coast.
steve bannon
But this is my point.
So hang on, this is my point.
Is the wall of steel that we're going to need in Taiwan, is that being impacted right now?
Because where you're seeing advances from the Ukrainian military, it is an unrelenting barrage of basically American artillery and artillery shells.
Right now, do you think that wall of steel we need in Taiwan is being impacted by the beginnings of the spring offensive?
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
And several other line items that are being significantly affected.
steve bannon
HIMARS.
unidentified
HIMARS.
Those rounds go out to, you could almost reach the Chinese coast with the, uh, depending on which HIMARS rocket round you're talking about.
And, uh, they're trying to double, they're trying to create, uh, create another 500 launch units, not just the rocket, the launch unit.
steve bannon
So hang on.
So, so Jack, Jack Montgomery, hang on.
Jack Montgomery's piece in the National Pulse specifically says, It's not just the 155, it's the HIMARS and wherever you're seeing any movement whatsoever of the Ukrainian military is because of barrages, relentless of HIMARS.
Do we have enough of that remaining to actually defend Taiwan?
unidentified
We've only given a small number of the launchers, but that's irrelevant.
You know, we have in our inventory about 410.
I was just checking the other day here, about 410 in the American inventory.
And we told Taiwan, we're told we're going to get them to Taiwan.
Now, there was just an approval to use excess defense article.
Which is what they've been using, the giddy staffers at the White House have been using to throw everything at Ukraine.
Now they finally approved that for Taiwan.
So we can take out of that 410 launchers we have in our inventory, I think we can spare 20, 30, 40 right now for Taiwan.
So that would be a huge wall of steel way out in front of the 155s.
But we also want to be giving them Patriot missiles.
What else besides Patriot? Well, we want to be using a Patriot. That'll provide air control over the Taiwan Straits. We also want to, we just produced this new setup called the Typhoon, which is a combination of Tomahawk and SM-6. That SM-6 can reach way inside China.
We need to put those in Taiwan.
Now, it sounds like we may have put some of those in the northern Philippines.
It might be in Okinawa right now, but that typhoon combination would be ferocious deterrent.
And I think we can spare a few of those typhoon setups.
steve bannon
Okay.
Colonel, hang on for one second because I want to pivot back to Ben Harnwell.
So Ben, the state of play is I've got a spring offensive that's either ground to a halt or where it has been successful is in back of intense artillery barrages but still hasn't taken a lot of territory and more importantly hasn't opened up the front.
With the combined arms maneuver warfare that's going to be necessary for the Ukrainians to take back any territory.
At the same time, Zelensky and this crew have begun some sort of offense, and he says he's going to do more offense into Russia, particularly into Moscow's financial district.
And then, out of nowhere, you have this discussion that I don't remember being part of, Vilnius, about American security guarantees.
And being long-term security guarantees that now has been leaked, starting last night, is the top agenda of the Biden regime.
Can you walk me through that?
ben harnwell
Yes, Steve.
Well, this is according to always, really, the major updates are coming out on Telegram these days, as is with this statement from Andrei Yermak, who is Zelensky's chief of staff, and he said that this week Ukraine is starting consultations with the United States on providing security guarantees for
Kiev, which they say will last up until Ukraine joins NATO.
But I don't think, I don't think, look, I think the one thing that we did, I don't even think Ukraine believes this.
I think this is something that we actually did learn in Vilnius, was that the NATO powers are starting to implement their discard of President Zelensky and to start to distance themselves.
from the regime.
And there was, of course, that famous photo which captured, I think, for me, that was really the epoch-making photo of when that pivot, when Zelensky realised that pivot was actually starting beyond all the words.
Don't forget that the thing out of Vilnius was actually a watering down of the commitment.
I think it was 2027 or something, when NATO first said that it had an ambition for Ukraine to join.
This time round in Vilnius, the evening before, Zelensky was pushing out his comments that it was absurd, that he wasn't being given a timeline for a formal invitation, all the rest of it.
The actual result of Vilnius was, you know what, When the NATO members think that Ukraine has made progress on issues like democracy and when they are all of agreement, then we will have the conversation.
It's actually taking a step back.
I don't think enough attention Was given to that by the mainstream media.
So what does this, what do these security guarantees mean?
Well, really, Steve, I would suggest that this is actually the face-saving manoeuvre that will be used to start negotiations with Russia.
I think this will be the principle around which the United States can secure, I'm sure this will be the White House's line, peace with honour.
But if you if you think that the statements here that Yermak put out, I have an observation because he said that the security guarantees for Ukraine will be concrete, long term obligations, ensuring Ukraine's capacity to defeat and restrain Russian aggression in the future.
And of course, we're not talking about Ukraine's capacity to defeat Russia.
We're talking about the United States capacity.
to defeat Russia. This is really the whole point because in all of the statements that Yermak put out there's zero reference, not even implicit, to the American people in all of this who will be paying for this. They'll be paying for it out of tax dollars and also presumably in other ways as well.
And there's no there's no reference to zero.
Not even America.
You're not even an afterthought in this conversation that the White House is now starting with Ukraine.
You're not even an afterthought.
steve bannon
A couple, a couple things.
The reason I think that there's nothing, um, and I've got it, uh, to Memphis here late, but I want to put it up whenever you get it.
Axios, the lead story in Axios this morning is about how the Republican, the Republican base has now shifted dramatically to an America first and that there are beyond, um, lukewarm on Ukraine.
There are many voices in a, in a big part of the party, particularly in the primary, they're just adamant about, We spent too much money, we're too involved in this kinetic war and they want to bring things ahead.
I think the Biden regime, what they're doing is trying to get ahead of this.
They're going to try to cut a long-term security arrangement that is tantamount to bringing Ukraine in as an ally without having to go to the Senate And get approval of a two thirds approval of an alliance of a treaty, because they see right now they've seen in the Republican primary and this actually a story lays it out in excruciating detail of how the populist right is adamantly opposed.
to this war in Ukraine and particularly to any more funding.
So I think that this is a big element of now you're going to start hearing about they're coming out of nowhere security guarantees security guarantees security guarantees and I agree with you I think that is going to be an element at least some element of it that's that's going to be necessary as you said we've said now for what over a year some element that's going to get people to the table negotiate but remember Their point is not to get to a negotiated deal.
Their point is to get ahead of the funding getting cut off.
There wouldn't be any of this going on whatsoever if they didn't see that the Republican Party, and even with it, some of the Democratic Party, and some of the polling, I believe, that shows Trump over Biden, is people are just tired of these forever wars.
One last thing, Ben, and I want you to hang on for meals, but one last thing on this.
You've been the best.
Your call shot about Wagner on the very day it happened on this show was pretty amazing.
But now I've got Wagner with all the American money we're putting into the training of these military forces in Western Africa.
You now have the situation in Niger.
Who pops up?
Your favorite guy, the head of the Wagner group.
I thought he was banned forever from doing anything with Putin or anything with Russia.
And next thing you know, he looks like he's leading the Russian engagement and involvement in Niger and other contiguous states around Niger, sir.
ben harnwell
This is fascinating, Steve, really fascinating.
And The War Impulse will be watching this particular development with a great deal of bemusement, I think.
So this article here is an article by John Gizzi, who's the chief political columnist of Newsmax.
And he's reporting on an article in the Financial Times on Friday, expressing great surprise.
As you say, here's a man who, if he has a single preoccupation, one would have thought, if one only formed their opinions reading the mainstream press, that this guy would be spending all his time avoiding rooftops and avoiding windows.
But far from it.
He's there in St.
Petersburg.
At this meeting that President Putin hosted with 21 heads of state and heads of government from Africa.
And in a hotel, which is owned by one of Pugosian's relatives, there's this photograph that emerged and was pushed out on Twitter.
With Toghosian sort of laughing and shaking hands with the chief protocol from the Central African Republic.
And I'm just going to quote the Newsmax analysis on this, bearing in mind, as you say, that we've been pushing a particular theory on the whole escapade from the day, from June the 24th, the day of the so-called coup onwards.
I'm interested to see that this is now sort of filtering through to the rest of the press.
I will just simply read this quote, because Newsmaps hasn't been particularly heavy on this idea, but the observation The presence of Pugoshin, widely reported to be in exile in Belarus following the reported mutiny in Russia, raised immediate questions as to just what the uprising against Putin was all about.
How serious, for example, was the Wagner group's uprising against Putin?
Which concluded with the Russian strongman's denunciation of the insurgents and Pugosian and many of his team settling in Belarus.
Well, Steve, the question is perfectly made, but I think the War Room had started to unpack this some time ago.
But I'm delighted to see now that sort of out in the other sort of our fellow journalists I think we do the best job of it, but I would tell you, it's a wilderness of mirrors.
You can't trust anything that's coming out from either side.
It's starting to be raised.
steve bannon
Yes, no, no, no.
It's here's.
Look, and I think we do the best job of it, but I would tell you it's a wilderness of mirrors.
It's you can't trust anything is coming out from either side.
There always misdirection plays, but I will tell you, it's pretty obvious, Ben, for the the Siegfried line defense that the Russians have built in in in eastern Ukraine, that the Ukrainian military, with all the training and might of the American army, is finding incredibly difficult to penetrate.
You don't need the Wagner really special forces barbarians defending that.
You can do that with other troops.
The movement of Wagner into Belarus, and as you say, what is it, 49 miles?
from Kiev, is a major strategic and you've seen this guy, the head of Wagner group erosion.
He's everywhere.
He's in every meeting.
He's down in Africa, etc.
Ben, I know you got to bounce.
I really appreciate you doing this.
Colonel Mills got a lot.
We're going to deal with the CCP.
How do people get your analysis?
Particularly, we're putting up great content, exclusive content on the site every day through the emails.
Where do people go?
ben harnwell
Steve, for the emails, and Joe Allen had a great article out a couple of days ago.
For that, you just need to go on to warroom.org and register your email address.
For my observation analysis, come to find me on Getter, the best social Thank you.
I love it.
I love the guy gives his own reviews.
Thank you very much, Ben.
That's where I am, at Harnwell on Getty.
And I've got some, if you look at the most recent posts I've put out, even if I say so myself, my most recent sort of analysis is absolutely excellent.
I strongly recommend it.
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
Thanks so much.
God bless.
Thank you.
I love the guy who gives his own reviews.
Thank you very much, Ben Harnwell.
Okay.
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We're going to come back.
Colonel Mills is gonna be with us and we're gonna have Tim Alboreno join us.
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steve bannon
Colonel Mills stays with us.
Colonel Mills, any other concluding thoughts you've got so far on the failed spring offensive, at least to date?
And this is one of the reasons we're so opposed to this kinetic part of the Ukraine war, is what you're seeing is a massive loss of human life of the Ukrainians.
And this is continuing on.
And now this war is going to metastasize, you watch.
And this happens, this is what happens in war.
This is what happened.
Remember, World War II at the end of it was a war of annihilation.
All the books are written about the British generation.
They're all fantastic.
The heroism and valor of our fathers and grandfathers is unparalleled.
But that war got to be a war of annihilation at the end of it.
Watch Oppenheimer.
The number one movie.
Watch Oppenheimer.
Don't take my word for it.
Colonel Mills, any thoughts on Ukraine?
We've got to pivot to the Chinese Communist Party, particularly, what is this, a bioweapons lab in the middle of California?
unidentified
Yes.
Enclosure on Ukraine, Steve.
I put a lot of the fault and the responsibility right at the feet of my brothers and sisters on the Joint Staff and the European Command Staff.
Now, experienced 05s and 06s know this is all about a very, very robust prepared engineer force.
Uh, uh, your, your combat engineers in the army that know how to breach these kinds of obstacles.
And I don't think that was focused on, I don't think that was ready, uh, when they did the spring offensive.
steve bannon
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
But, but John here's okay.
unidentified
Hold it.
steve bannon
Hold, hold, hold, hold.
Stop.
This is what I say.
They're talking about 70,000 mines.
They're talking about miles of minefields that they dug in like the Siegfried line or like the Atlantic wall that Rommel had to greet us on D-Day.
My point is, we have satellites going over there non-stop.
We know every centimeter of the battlefield or the battle space in Eastern Ukraine.
How is that somehow not communicated to people?
When you say it's the Joint Staff's problem in the Pentagon or the NATO Joint Staff in Brussels, How could this possibly be?
We had this fantasy, and that's what is a fantasy, about we were going to be able to train Ukrainian forces on equipment they're not prepared to use, on sophisticated combined arms, artillery, armor, infantry, close air support, in a matter of 90 days?
When the United States military, let's be honest, they're the best in the world for fighting this, and that takes Years and years and years of training and working together.
So how did this when you say it's your joint staff?
Everybody knew exactly what the Russians did.
These minefields didn't magically appear everywhere.
The types of fortifications they're talking about and tank traps and all that just didn't appear overnight.
It took battalions of their own combat engineers to dig in.
Why was this information either withheld from the Ukrainian forces or somehow not caught by the joint staffs, Colonel Mills?
unidentified
One word, Steve.
Wokeness.
It has destroyed strategic clarity of thought.
Wokeness has destroyed strategic clarity of thought in these matters.
The Joint Staff was the best staff in the universe.
It's never been better, and it's been destroyed systematically.
They knew about this.
They failed to apply it.
They failed to fully brief the hires, the Ukrainians, everybody.
It's just shameful.
steve bannon
Hey, Colonel, I want to get into the CCP in this bio lab, but I don't I'm running out of time.
Give me two or three minutes on what we're looking at.
I'm gonna have you back on tomorrow because this is pretty shocking.
How did essentially a bioweapons lab appear out of nowhere?
This is another thing.
The administrative state and deep state monitors every Breathing individual, oh you're digital.
How did this lab pop up in the middle of California with the types of things that we're finding out is now in there, sir?
Owned by people that are associated with and or part of the Chinese Communist Party, sir?
unidentified
This is the term advance force, which I was checking the Joint Staff Public Facing website this morning.
Guess what?
Joint Pub 3 is now no longer public facing, nor is the Special Operations Joint Pub 3.05.
Why? Because the Chinese read everything. Advanced force is everything you do in preparation in advance of conflict. This is phase zero or phase zero minus. You prep the battlefield.
And so guess what?
We were very good at it.
They've been reading our doctrine literature.
This biolab is advanced force operations.
Advanced force could take many forms.
It can be cyber.
Now we got Volt Typhoon.
It can be Chinese paramilitaries coming across the border.
It could be fentanyl.
It can be now this biolab.
We got a biolab in Reedy, California.
This is insanity.
steve bannon
No, it's unbelievable.
unidentified
They read our stuff.
steve bannon
I want to have you back on to Mark because I want to combine it all together.
The fentanyl, the lab, all of it.
Colonel Mills, how do people follow you?
Your site, your writings, your books, and particularly your social media?
unidentified
Thank you, Steve.
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steve bannon
Colonel Mills, I look forward to having you back here to go through the CCP, the Advanced Guard.
Thank you very much.
Incredibly disturbing.
Okay, I've got a cold open for Tim Alboreno.
Let's go ahead and play it.
unidentified
How do you know that these were not our aircraft?
Some of the behaviors that we saw in a working area, we would see these objects being at 0.0 Mach, that's zero airspeed, over certain pieces of the ground.
So what that means, just like a river, if you throw a bobber in, it's going to float downstream.
These objects were staying completely stationary in Category 4 hurricane winds.
These same objects would then accelerate to supersonic speeds, 1.1, 1.2 Mach, and they would do so in very erratic and quick behaviors that we don't, I don't have an explanation for.
steve bannon
Okay, normally we have Tim Alboreno on to talk about transhumanism and particularly his take on the apocalyptic nature thereof.
Tim, you were quite focused on these hearings last week.
I keep telling people if you have no interest in UFOs or aliens or any of that, this is about the deep state and the administrative state essentially telling that there is no consent of the governed, that Congress does it, there's no oversight here.
What is your take on what transpired last week in Congress on this?
timothy albarino
Well, thank you for having me on, Steve.
I think that what happened on Wednesday, July 26th, was certainly the most important news story of my lifetime, if not of the modern era.
I think it eclipses World War II, I think it eclipses 9-11, because the implications are so... the magnitude of these implications are almost unbelievable.
We're talking about Um, these witnesses who are coming forth from the Navy, Navy pilots, Ryan Graves, David Fravor, and most importantly, David Grush, who comes from the intelligence community, the military intelligence community.
And what these guys are saying under oath, mind you, is that the United States government and certain aerospace contractors have been recovering crashed UFOs and their non-human occupants for decades.
...and have been working to reverse engineer alien technology in secret.
And, as you mentioned, these crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs are financed through a misappropriation of funds directed to other projects.
steve bannon
This tradecraft... Albarino, hang on.
Brother Albarino, hang on for a second.
Me?
You've actually nailed it.
But...
unidentified
This is what I don't quite get.
steve bannon
The magnitude, I want you to hit the rewind button and go back to the beginning.
If you're sitting there watching this, it's of such, and it has to be proven to be true, but obviously they've gone out of their way to suppress, they've gone out of their way not to have whistleblowers, they've gone out of their way, and here's, how do I know that?
We just opened with Congressman Tim Burchett.
from what Tennessee to out there in East Tennessee who has been one of the driving force here he came on war room on Tuesday on the six o'clock show the same show you're on in fact the same exact time that you're on to talk about the types of things they were going to go through in the hearing tomorrow and that's because Gates said You gotta get Burchett on because they're already playing games with the whistleblowers.
They're threatening the whistleblowers right now on the eve of it.
Burchett was relieved for cause at 7 o'clock by Comer, who said, hey, oh, by the way, you're not going to chair the committee tomorrow with no reason given.
You're not going to chair the committee.
I got another guy that's going to chair it.
You can still ask questions.
That's how much and that's how much the national security state and the defense contractors even got to Comer, who's a pretty straight guy.
So what is, not a lot of our, but what is the nation and particularly the media missing about the gravitas of what happened last Wednesday, Tim Alberino?
timothy albarino
I'm not sure that they're missing anything.
I, I get the feeling that they're purposely suppressing this.
Certainly there's a dual narrative happening within the United States military, uh, within the, certainly within the intelligence community.
There are factions within the intelligence community that absolutely want to keep a lid on this thing.
They don't want the American people to know anything about these reverse engineering programs and all of the implications associated with this.
And then you have another faction within the intelligence community and the military, and perhaps even in the aerospace programs themselves, that do want disclosure, that do want to shed light on what's been happening behind the scenes as it relates to UFOs Crash retrievals and even non-human biologics, as Grush referred to them during the hearing.
So there's a factional war going on behind the scenes.
You would think, I mean, as I was watching the hearing and listening to the absolutely mind-blowing allegations by the pilots, by the Navy pilots and by Grush,
You would think that the headlines on Fox News, MSNBC, NBC News, all of the mainstream news organizations, that there would be a bombshell headline, something to this effect, the alien presence is real and constitutes a national security threat, something to that effect.
But instead, of course, they all had to cover it.
They all had to mention it in their programming.
But it was not like a 9-11 Headline and and and that's really what the implications are here.
So that demonstrates to me That there is this factional war taking place behind the scenes Your book birthright is so important when we talk about the transhumanist element of this because you talk about You talk about in a spiritual and a religious context.
steve bannon
Mm-hmm One of the arguments I think of our betters, and correct me if I'm wrong here, is that to roll this out to the American people they would not be prepared and you would have the structure of not just morals and values but actually organized religion would collapse around you.
That Christianity, Islam, the Jewish faith would collapse with the basically the U.S.
government coming out and saying that we actually had these aircraft or Isha had non-human biologic.
Your thoughts?
timothy albarino
Well there was, I believe it was in the 50s or 60s, there was a famous Brookings Institute report that dealt precisely with that question.
And they wondered how the religions of the world would react to the revelation of extraterrestrial life.
And the conclusion was that it would create mass chaos, that society would indeed collapse, and this has been one of the reasons, one of the excuses I would say, why the intelligence community, the military, and so forth, have decided to keep this information secret, keep it from the public.
And to some extent that might make sense, but this is, you know, when you talk about the The deep state, Steve, I call it the dumb state, because I believe that these secret access programs are being carried out in deep underground military bases, in these secret underground installations, and so I call it the dumb state, and I think it supersedes the deep state.
I think this is as deep as it goes, no pun intended.
This is the biggest cover-up in the world, not just With the United States government, because surely the United Kingdom, surely Russia, surely China, also have reverse engineer programs in which they're retrieving these UFO crashes and attempting to derive technologies from them.
And again, the implications for mankind.
So far, really, it's crickets.
Most people don't really care.
Most people are consumed with other things.
Some people who are paying attention are experiencing a form of ontological shock right now. Their whole worldview, their paradigm is being shattered. Those who are paying attention and realize the massive implications that we're talking about here for society. Tell me what, since you kind of get this at a very deep level, tell me what you would like
steve bannon
We know from conversations with Burchett and Gates and Ana Paulina Luna and others, and Nancy Mays actually was in the studio last week, that they are very quickly driving towards a SCIF, a presidential, because so many of the deflections were, well I can tell you that, I can't tell you that in an unclassified background, so they're going to go to try to have a SCIF.
A briefing of several hours to get to the bottom of it.
After that happens, what would Tim Alboreno like to see?
What do you think is the way to move this forward so it gets out of this thing of science fiction?
Or even more importantly for our audience, what I'd say right now, our audience is probably 70-30.
We just don't have time for it.
The country's at stake.
This is a misdirection play.
It's a false flag.
You know, it's about little green men.
What would you like to see next?
to get this conversation out and inform it with more facts, receipts, and data.
timothy albarino
Well, I want to commend Representative Tim Burchett.
He's really doing a phenomenal job, and I'm sure he's getting all kinds of pushback behind the scenes.
What I would like to see, and I think what would take this to the next level, because we have Navy pilots who've encountered, you know, Ryan Graves, David Fravor, who've encountered these craft, who've seen them up close, right?
Who've tracked them in the Super Hornet jets.
And we've had a member of the intelligence community, David Grush, come forward and say he has knowledge of these programs.
He's spoken to people on the inside that this is indeed happening.
And by the way, it's been confirmed by other members of the intelligence community like Colonel Carl Nell.
Now, what I think needs to happen next, and this would take the whole scenario to the next level, is we need individuals from these
Aerospace contractors, the actual, the people, the individuals, the engineers who are actually or have actually placed their hands on the technology, who have been involved in the reverse engineering program, have handled the technology, and maybe even, dare I say, interfaced with the entities, the pilots, As Grush refers to them.
That, I think, is the next logical step.
I think those individuals are coming forward.
But people have to understand, Grush, one of the revelations from Grush was how he was being persecuted by hostile actors within the government, presumably the Pentagon and the intelligence community, and also by individuals working for certain aerospace contractors who have directly threatened his life and the security of his family.
So this is what's going on behind the scenes.
But, and so it's very difficult for whistleblowers to come forward from these aerospace contractors.
But in my mind, that is the next, that would be the next bombshell that takes this to a whole nother level.
steve bannon
Brother Alboreno, how can people get to your site?
Where they get your writings in particular, all your social media updating on this?
Because I can tell you, I talked to all the players afterwards and over the weekend, and this is the top of the first inning.
timothy albarino
You can find me on social media.
On YouTube, Timothy Albrino.
Instagram, Timothy Albrino.
Twitter, Timothy Albrino.
And I have a website, timothyalbrino.com.
steve bannon
Tim, thank you so much for joining us.
And like I said, this is the top of the first ten.
There's going to be a lot more going on in the days and weeks ahead.
Thank you for coming on.
timothy albarino
My pleasure, Steve.
Thank you.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to leave you.
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One of the things we're going to have tomorrow is a new biography out by Tucker.
It gets released tomorrow.
Chadwick Moore is going to join us.
We've got so much more.
So much going on.
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